The Indy Wrestling Degenerates

[@Teeheehee093]

You should make one about the nicest wrestlers, DDP etc

[@tlbryant4697]

Agreed not just the negative is important

[@danielolivas4560]

AND REY Mysterio Probably 😂

[@RedForeman]

Titus O’Neil would be on that list lol

[@mannyduran8458]

Mysterio Foley

[@martialartsNerd10]

I heard many wrestlers say that the late Bobby Eaton was one of the nicest wrestlers ever

[@bnhyg150]

The worst degenerate ever to step foot in a wrestling ring was Jimmy Saville. A pure evil beast.

[@HavocRPandemoniumOffical]

Indeed. AND got away WITH IT!!!

[@petervanheerden2133]

Awesome video as always man. Just a small mistake the American WXW is World extreme wrestling. The German one is Westside extreme wrestling

[@shtembyduelsson]

David Starr's case still makes me sad, cause I really loved his work.

[@LTDPotential]

Same.

[@NickGiles45]

He was so good in Ring, my home promotion is wXw and I saw him often back in the days

[@Drunkzilla.]

Me too man,he just really make a huge difference in the whole indie scene in a really short time,if he don't screw his career sure he will still a huge name and one of the hottest free agents.

[@NickGiles45]

@@Drunkzilla. i like ur name, it reminds me of Schadenfreude or Aussie Opens Dunkzilla Mark Davis

[@Drunkzilla.]

@@NickGiles45 In fact,was inspired by Mark Davis lol

[@javis88h]

I don't get how these people get the balls to do this stuff. It's like they get a taste of a small crowd and think they're invincible

[@KaoticReach1999]

God you know KZbin is going straight to hell when creators are stealing not only entire thumbnails, titles, and even ripping off the complete concept, *From TurkeyTom* And the ripoffs are still more interesting!

[@kenterminateddq5311]

Top10 has made so many videos on "degenerates" that he (or they) can make a 4-hour marathon on wrestling troublemakers. I enjoy your channel, Top10Wrestling. :)

[@Tunda2]

Didn’t Elgin literally go missing for a while?

[@martialartsNerd10]

If there's ever sequel or part 2 of this video, I recommend Rob Feinstein. He's still involved in wrestling and is even a co-owner of wrestling promotion called Battleground Championship Wrestling. It is completely F'ed up that this guy is still active in the wrestling industry !

[@OCs_And_Stories]

And fellow degenerate, Brian Kendrick is World Champion

[@PrinceDyspo]

I think he already did a video on him

[@martialartsNerd10]

@@OCs_And_Stories Figures a degenerate would help push another degenerate

[@stevenmillan9220]

Ron Feinstein of RF Video shoot interviews and the uncle of MJF(with MJF having to change his last name from Feinstein to Friedman to avoid any family connection to his notorious uncle).

[@NoizuStudios]

There's a channel uploading full RF shoots which is great because a pedophile shouldn't profit from those shoots anymore.

[@betrayal4life288]

Ive seen Elgin lately and he looks strung out. He lives in my area and i ran into him at a gas station and he recognized me from shows and asked me for a ride. Thankfully i was in my work clothes so had an excuse lol.

[@d.52555]

Man that’s sad, it came out that impact was still paying him from 2020 up until I believe 2021/22 and I’m sure he got at least 90-200k for his contract so where’d all his money go? If that was me I would’ve been saving every dime I had and investing it but I guess that’s easier to say than do.

[@AdamSMessinger]

Evidently, from what I've seen on twitter, he got into a car wreck and hurt his neck? One could reasonably speculate that caused a relapse if that is the case? Hope he makes the necessary changes tho to be a decent human.

[@cashcorleone3311]

what did he even do that bad, it’s hard to handle accusations like that, some women lie some women won’t . he’s being punished for someone else’s actions, i’ve not seen a single thing he’s properly done wrong

[@fletchdavidson6079]

I like how you get us invested before the gut punch

[@TwistedNightmar3Gaming]

Jay Briscoe dropped the big man on his big ass pumpkin and got the 3 count. One of the best promos ever. RIP Jay Briscoe

[@wastelander138]

There are so many British indy wrestlers who were exposed in the SpeakingOut movement. It was enough for me to stop attending ICW shows as some of the people claimed that they made the company aware of what was going on and they did nothing until it was made public.

[@ultraman5168]

Meh. Most of the worst cases were quietly or not-so-quietly spoken about already. But there were also a lot of obvious bandwagon jumpers throwing around accusations as power plays with no evidence. Ironically drawing unnecessary criticism onto accusations that actually had substance. Just the MeToo movement played out in microcosm; a few real victims saying things that everyone already knew about, surrounded by a whole bunch of blatant fakers trying to get 15 minutes of fame and a sob story to pass around for clout.

[@cashcorleone3311]

and some people such as Marty Scurll unfairly lost everything in that movement. people bandwagoned tonnes of accusations were thrown about everywhere cuz you know. Women.

[@LTDPotential]

Ospreay managed to come out of it almost clean which was lucky for him, despite the allegations against him.

[@cashcorleone3311]

@@LTDPotential because their was no proof for actually most of the allegations, but people pick and chose who they decided was scummy and who wasn’t. Ospreay could be guilty as hell or he could’ve done nothing. (the fact he’s had such a long relationship with Bea Priestley would make me think he wouldn’t be like that but who knows) people can lose careers over nothing. Remember WWE did an investigation and found Velveteen Dream innocent. but the fans had decided his fate by then

[@TokyoAfterlife]

ICW was definitely sketchy about it

[@CrowYaeger]

The Japanese take crime like shoplifting THAT seriously? Why can't they take murder cases that serious?

[@animefan7424]

I imagine it’s easier to get evidence of shoplifting, they don’t really charge unless they are absolutely certain

[@Mankey619]

Can we at least get a content that shows wrestlers who aren’t horrible people outside of the ring. Can we get a topic where wrestlers are down to Earth people.

[@AdamSMessinger]

The sad news is that those videos don't get as many views as videos like this.

[@chrisradzion2148]

I feel like two guys were missed here, though one is more of a trainer- Chasyn Rance and Teddy Hart.

[@jimbo_1312]

They've been covered in another video in this series.

[@theyamo7219]

There is also former Canadian indy wrestler Kurt Lauderdale (real name Kurt Lauder) who literally raped and murdered a teenage girl, and served time for it. Then again, Lauderdale didn't really set the wrestling world on fire. The guy was as generic as generic can get.

[@vollstaendingennamen]

this list could pretty much go on for ever just using deathmatch wrestlers alone ;D

[@TheLastLux]

Sounds like Elgin's life has gotten worse since this video released.

[@BBoy4040]

Jesus the video's only 4 hours old

[@jamespaul6315]

What happened

[@TheLastLux]

@@jamespaul6315 google recent stories about him, he's been through some stuff.

[@iFailGames]

Wow! I recognize a lot of the wrestlers in the intro pic! Btw, is that Adam Pierce in the top left corner?

[@kamikazeplayz1430]

In Ring of honor he was a wrestler and then became the booker

[@kamikazeplayz1430]

Eventually getting signed by the wwe

[@iFailGames]

@@kamikazeplayz1430 Did not know that! :o Thanks for the info!

[@seenASsean]

Is this a re-upload?

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

Yes it is. I remember Elgin one cause he wrestles a lot in Dallas still.

[@raduoprea2529]

It's more of a recycling. He takes the bits from the degenerates series and groups them based on promotions. Lazy.

[@egpmh2891]

David Starr is a guy I always had a bad feeling about; every match I saw him in, normal or intergender, his appointment(s) seemed like they did not want to even be in the room with him with him let alone the ring. Then the news broke and I was not surprised even said "hmmm, so that's why? not surprising really."

[@irondasgr]

To me it seems as if he were a typical case of brutal cancelling out. Cancel culture is pretty much on the spot lately.

[@lb2.0.45]

Funny you mention G-Raver saying you'd be surprised if we ever saw him in the ring again because to the shock of no one XPW recently booked him for one of their shows back in March. Which goes to show you that Rob Black has no morals whatsoever.

[@stevenmillan9220]

Rob Black never had any morals to begin with(even though he has little kids and is a devout Republican),as he also has Necro Butcher(who also had sexual allegations against him) currently working for him as MAGA Butcher.

[@eversobritish1335]

Rob Black was arrested on obscenity charges for his work in porn he also allegedly hired a hitman his former world champion Messiah which resulted in his thumb being cut off, so Black being a scumbag isn’t that far a stretch kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3q7eJ95a5yebM0

[@lb2.0.45]

@@eversobritish1335 Oh I know I've seen and read about all the bad shit he's done.

[@weezersthebluealbum9479]

With all due respect, David Starr admitted to what he did, left pro wrestling, and turned his life around. I still follow him on on Insta and he’s living a quiet life after he got sober, I respect him for that much more than some of his contemporaries who ignored their allegations and continued as if nothing happened I.E Jordan Devlin.

[@ricohendrixpro]

One thing I’ll never understand is how people are quick to berate others but also won’t afford them the opportunity for improvement. I’m happy for him.

[@betrayal4life288]

It's like nobody has ever made a mistake these days. EVERYBODY had done or said something they regret in their life. It's growing from your mistakes and becoming the best person you can be from them that makes you a good person. Everyone deserves another chance, well except pedophiles and rapists fuck them they can burn in hell.

[@dustinw5413]

Eh, maybe I would have sympathy for him if he didn’t have a holier-than-thou god complex while at the same time being such a gigantic piece of trash.

[@jamespaul6315]

As far as I can tell he was never proven to sexually assault anyone , so thats fucked up he lost a career over it

[@Tunda2]

@@jamespaul6315 while not excusing bad behavior, I too would like it proven before destroying someone’s career. Only seems fair

[@deadpilled2942]

You change the thumbnail?

[@jimgaletsis5150]

G-Raver made an unannounced appearance for XPW recently. Apparently people don't learn about who they're signing

[@johnroche]

Given XPW, I doubt they really cared.

[@johnathanrush4666]

​@@johnroche this part

[@HershelJ]

I mean it is XPW so Im not surprised 😂🤦🏿‍♂️

[@OCs_And_Stories]

@@johnroche Yeah this

[@eversobritish1335]

It’s XPW if anything they see abuse as a bonus they have a wife beater (Masada) as one of their top guys alongside deadbeat dads like Necro Butcher They see it as a way off “owning the libs”

[@Letsalllovelain2004]

1:30 Elgin with hair looks like cash wheeler

[@souvikdeb808]

Elgin had a great run in impact. His matches against Swann, TJP, Cage, Marufuji were bangers. Too bad that he was a POS.

[@warmac88]

Love the videos Wrestling bro

[@claymathewselevator8121]

Same

[@suoquainen]

Thanks for bringing up G-Raver's case, because it is somehow very strange. Before that happened with him at that party etc. he was known as a very humble person and yes he was a very nice person. He also was liked by many if not all wrestlers around him i think and even had his own cute plushie selling. But then the party happened and the accusation and everything else. I dunno what really happened there, but i think he drank or consumed something that wasn't meant for him and then everything went overboard or so. To me it seems like a sad case where he maybe gave up to drugs and so on and whatever he consumed and happened, it's like it changed his character or so...he just wasn't the same anymore and it's just very sad. Because i think if he wouldn't have been at the party and if he wouldn't have started consuming drugs or so...he destroyed his career and life for drugs it seems and this is shite. EDIT: Or maybe it all started with his arm / armpit injury, since his arm / hand was after that paraliized and he wasn't able to wrestle like before anymore. Maybe that was the beginning when he changed and so on.

[@higler.]

When a person shows you who they are you should believe them.

[@suoquainen]

For a better understanding of my comment: G-Raver's case is very personal and emotional for me, because i was a very big fan of him for a long time and have seen nearly all of his matches and was waiting for new plushies coming out, since the first ones were sold out very fast. I even had uploaded a promo video for the ending clash of his feud against Jimmy Lloyd a year ago (which is still up and i'm not gonna delete it, because it's the last good memory i have from him). So maybe you understand, that it's not easy to understand for me why this all at the end happened.

[@christophersanzo1833]

Did GRaver touch you??

[@suoquainen]

@@christophersanzo1833 Stupid question, since i'm living in Europe and never had the chance to see him live thanks to the pandemic. This question is also stupid, because this case happened just a short time ago.

[@christophersanzo1833]

@@suoquainen lmao 🤣

[@Stumpers24]

Is G raver the guy that made the shirt of cornette bleeding?

[@theyamo7219]

Yeah, same dude

[@crumpetface]

Consistently good content here. Good stuff.👍

[@TD-nl2sj]

What's the name of the song in the backround?

[@elgoat3038]

The best thing about David Starr was that he acted all high and mighty and look what came out. What a clown. He even acted like he was doing what was best for wrestlers with his activism.

[@LTDPotential]

Well... unionisation is best for independent wrestlers. Don't let the message get confused with its messenger.

[@cashcorleone3311]

@@LTDPotential i second this

[@jetgrav7419]

​@@cashcorleone3311 I second this too

[@PuertoRicanChuckles]

I guess Andre Davis wasn't a big name in Indie wrestling but his case is crazy

[@jimbo_1312]

That's the HIV dude, right? Weird I was reading about him a couple of weeks back.

[@thanight705]

i was wondering if you could do an in depth on a certain wrestler . im not picky on who just i wanna see a deeper dig into things.

[@Jevarohdail]

Okay I’m so curious about what happened with Elgin l, I was told one of the reasons he got so much hate was tha he was sleeping with another wrestlers wife and was filmed drunkenly peeing on her

[@creepofreek4853]

TOP 10!WRESTLING . Thanks for giving all this great wrestling information. I enjoyed it immensely.

[@despitewisdom]

I am here for the Death Note theme

[@illmindof2tonz874]

David Starr surprised me I thought he just fell off the face

[@TWOnly666]

Waiting for one entirely on XPW, back then and now

[@johnmccrary6712]

Maybe there will be a separate video for Joey Ryan?? Nothing like a guy whose gimmick was to make everyone grab his junk

[@TWOnly666]

He's part of the original incarnation of this video wrestling degenerates

[@d.52555]

Can’t believe brandi Rhodes and a few others allowed that man to do the boobplex and that d*ck move on them.

[@horrorstew3577]

David Starr was about to blow up.... Wondered what happened to him

[@chrishernandez3699]

He sucked

[@raduoprea2529]

Man the content is good. Stop recycling it.

[@michaelspikes1506]

Good video Sir

[@hamburgerhelper5230]

Please do another video with bradon collins pls

[@Landlord0fTheFilthy]

Finally someone speaks on G-raver I was wondering why dude just suddenly disappeared

[@justoneguy2487]

Ayo what's The Deep doing in the thumbnail? I didn't know he was a wrestler?

[@BarelyLegal23]

I remember back in maybe 06 or 07 when I used to be big into the indy scene, when Elgin was still only in the ontario scene we had a forum for it and he would try to sell creatine and protein powders 😂

[@JOBdOut]

I keep expecting a channel called "top 10 wrestling" do cover more than three people. Why do I keep falling for this?

[@kamarulhaziq6961]

David Starr has always got me suspicious of him from the beginning, at that moment I can’t pinpoint why. It’s like he LIKES to be seen as clean cut babyface, a hero so to say

[@LTDPotential]

Not at all, he was a fantastic heel worker, he had socialist values and wanted to protect independent wrestlers... unfortunately, he was also a dickhead to women.

[@Thegbear]

David Starr is a weird one for me. Did we actually see receipts of what he did? Because to me, it almost feels like that was an excuse to push him away from the industry over his unionisation beliefs. I mean, I ain’t trying to stir up a conspiracy theory but that one feels fishier than the others.

[@cashcorleone3311]

don’t really see the issue with Elgin either, it’s not the allegations were against him. WWE found Velveteen Dream innocent btw before more screenshots leaked. it’s just bandwagoning

[@crusadergamer4995]

Talented wrestlers that fell from grace don't ever mess up a good thing at the end of the day

[@theyamo7219]

That goes true for every form of entertainment. Look at Kevin Spacey

[@Orzmund]

Interesting use of a Death Note melody.

[@jdot714]

With the number of these videos that this channel has made, the question is why are there so many of these type of individuals in pro wrestling?

[@Haplo699g]

There's less than you think, a lot of them are featured in multiple videos.

[@mistermann3225]

​@@Haplo699g actually, there are a lot more than you think. Remember, these were the ones that were found out...

[@Haplo699g]

@Mister Mann I meant that he recycles content.

[@mistermann3225]

@@Haplo699g I know you were saying that. But I also thought you were trying to comfort the OP by saying there aren't but so many degenerates in wrestling. That ain't true at all. Thanks for clarifying.

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

Why do all these blokes just *have* to assault women?

[@DanielMussen-ob7uo]

Independent Scene|Territory Scene - Pro Wrestling|Sports Entertainment - Library - Past Present Future

[@jfdrac]

Kind of weird to have G-Raver again after you used basically the same exact spot three months ago during the Death match degenartes

[@ghostthegamer99]

G-Raver has returned to wrestling and will be with XPW.

[@higler.]

lmao yep the island of misfit wrestlers. Soon Marty Scurll will be their champion.

[@stevenmillan9220]

@@higler. "XPW: the island of misfit wrestlers". :D :D

[@rubaiatrabby9177]

What the hell did david do?

[@johnathanrush4666]

He was credibly accused of SA, complete with receipts

[@thezenlu]

There were receipts? I only saw the part where his form gf made the allegations, when did she show the receipts/marks/reports?

[@weezersthebluealbum9479]

@@thezenlu He admitted to it, he’s acknowledged that pretty much everything that was said was true.

[@thezenlu]

@@weezersthebluealbum9479 he admitted he was a toxic partner with her but that she was still exaggerating with the sexual assault accusation... is there another tweet I missed?

[@jamespaul6315]

@@weezersthebluealbum9479 he said he was a prick to her, NOT sexual assault. Theres no evidence of that

[@calebjames8543]

You should make a video on ROH degenerates

[@dionmorray5933]

G-raver wrestled for xpw last month

[@kevinmcgrath2552]

G Raver unfortunately returned last month to XPW

[@jaredschaeffer143]

I feel the same but I also believe people can change maybe him being called out and everything could push him to change that behavior

[@CeemPlay]

Dark side of wrestling

[@jax007]

Don't forget Joey Ryan

[@francismeister3218]

World Xtreme Wrestling is in Philadelphia. Germany's wXw is westside Xtreme wrestling

[@dtk4569]

G Raver showed up at the last XPW show, even that crowd booed him

[@KamadreJohnson]

I hate what happened to David Starr. Was a big fan of his. Now every time he's mentioned I just wanna puke. Why cant people just be normal?

[@higler.]

Elgin is a loser POS but his ladder match in NJPW against Kenny Omega is unreal. NJPW doesn't do ladder matches, but somehow Kenny convinced them to allow it, and him and Elgin go hard. Seeing Kenny deadlift Elgin on his shoulders for the one winged angel is something else.

[@cashcorleone3311]

i don’t understand what he’s actually done, the actual police mishandle allegations all the time it’s so hard when you can’t prove these things

[@higler.]

@@cashcorleone3311 He pisses on woman and laughs about. He gaslights his sexual assault victims. Do some googling, you find tons. Also, he did steal protein powder lmao

[@velocitygaming7037]

G raver looks like Malakai Black but Worse

[@davidhivner5882]

A former coworker of mine is a wrestler know as "War Machine". Not Rino, however he claimed that he was teamed with him. I found out that he was a convicted child molester after he met my grandson. I am curious if you ever heard about him.

[@tqav1019]

I'm pretty sure David Starr is wrestling under a mask

[@crazymoviescenes1303]

David Starr is one hell of a wasted talent! That's the problem with the talented indy wrestlers! They want to get signed by big companies but they pretend not to n then take out the frustrations on their girls or start substance abuse. That's why we love LA KNIGHT so much. The man almost at the end of his career made it to WWE n killing it there.

[@wolvie667]

I actually thought it was a pic of Colby Corino

[@dannyinoakpark9095]

Keep making these so we know Education is important and having knowledge about these creeps is vital

[@ryandesain5090]

G-Raver is now in XPW

[@NoizuStudios]

Mate don't recycle content we already know about, that's how brain rot starts.

[@hollyhaze1330]

The alligations are Bad, but shoplifting Proteinpowder is a classic as a Wrestler 😅

[@AKSourGod]

Lol, im one of those unsubscribed. And honestly dont know why? I guess liking your videos always allows them to be recommended to my feed, so I see all of your new uploads. Been enjoying the content so far, take this subscription Good sir. 👍🏾💯

[@theyamo7219]

I can't believe you didn't mention former Canadian indy wrestler Kurt Lauderdale (real name Kurt Lauder) who literally raped and murdered a teenage girl, and served time for it. Then again, Lauderdale didn't really set the wrestling world on fire. The guy was as generic as generic can get.

[@walterhager8626]

Alot are aigned with MLW now

[@wolvie667]

Sorry but Elgin wasn't just Indies... He made it to impact I thought

[@coreyhendricks9490]

You should make a video when wrestlers became WWE or World Heavyweight champions into jobbers

[@walterhager8626]

Can't believe El Genrico never got signed lmao

[@JustinTyme116]

Funny, I was watching a video last week about David Starr. The video also stated that Starr was meant to have a 1 on 1 match with Jon Moxley sometime before the allegations. What a fall from grace this man had.

[@hidemehere1]

Dublin ott right before pandemic announced, the roar that night

[@adamV5]

wow Gene Revern was really screwed big time huh

[@jamespaul6315]

So david starr was never proven to have sexually abused anyone? Thats kinda fucked up if he lost his career with no proof

[@dbzrocks3201]

Ikr

[@LTDPotential]

Anecdotes, Feelings and opinions are more important in 2023 than facts, witnesses and evidence.

[@ryanwaslawski6088]

Redo the list with Vince and Jericho

[@musa4574]

Never liked Starr, something about him

[@HOWEZY4769]

Was the david starr story confirmed to be true? Idk who he is but im sure you didnt mention any evidence came out, just allegations

[@jamespaul6315]

Yeah i didnt see any evidence he did it

[@diesdasananas9903]

you can totally destroy ones life with just one tweet. interesting times we live in.

[@bunyan4.20]

​@Aaron 88 so true if something comes out about you that might not be true they do not even give you the benefit of the doubt anymore companies and stuff we'll just drop you before you even proven innocent or guilty of which is messed up it ruins people's careers and life's some people never recover and get jobs back just looking at stuff with John Major the stuff coming out about him no actual proof yet that I know of and Disney's already like nope we're done with you

[@Beastpoker20]

David Starr ended his career when he started doing his disgusting stuff when the truth came out about Mr Starr everyone let loose on him

[@Beastpoker20]

Everyone spoke out on how disgusting Indy wrestlers could be and even wwe had their version of the speaking out movement with riddle valveteen dream Jordan devlin or jd

[@itsdoomedjack9774]

You’re really milking pro wrestling’s degenerates

[@MrTonyJ]

ML Curry was a wrestling journalist and he was worse than all of these.

[@Zxlxya]

Bruh protein powder cheap

[@DCShaw]

You lost credibility when you failed to mention Elgin proved his innocence in a court of law.

[@Crimsonchado]

So the entire IWA roster.

[@Powerball247]

Why isn’t Heidenreich on here? I saw what he did to Michael Cole, guy hasn’t been the same since.

[@SusieNation]

A Tumblr friend of mine is a ring rat and she says that indie guys are all so sketchy that she doesn’t bother with them and advises all women aspiring to have sex with wrestlers to stick to performers signed with big companies (WWE, AEW, iMPACT etc.)

[@peterwhite6683]

She sounds like a class act

[@dbzrocks3201]

She's for the streets

[@SusieNation]

@@peterwhite6683 You know, I’ve known her for *years* and I still can’t say whether or not she’s a good person; on the one hand, she has listened to me when I need to vent, she’s very very funny, and always tries to lookout for the safety of other ring rats (her tip about sketchy indie wrestlers and frequent reminders about condoms and safe sex), on the other hand, she participates in infidelity and feels no sense of responsibility because ‘it takes two to tango.’ The point of my original comment was to highlight the fact that someone who would know says that indie wrestlers aren’t the best people.

[@peterwhite6683]

Can I have her phone number??

[@jeffblacky]

Mike Quackenbush

[@Dannypuck]

As War Machine would say "F--k Michael Elgin!"