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[@demonchild327]

31:11 No, the timing of your pause made you miss some words. He said that the Standard Procedure was to link a pattern of 2 Armor Piercing, 2 Incendiary and 1 Tracer. However Jay’s crew aboard Old 666 did a 1 Armor Piercing and 1 Tracer pattern, making it look like every shot fired is a laser like in Star Wars lol.

[@brigidtheirish]

There were three times when a commercial jet lost hydraulics and the pilots tried to land using the engines. Two of the attempts were *bad* crashes, few if any survivors. The third successfully landed on the runway.

[@Meanslicer43]

just imagine being one of those 20 Zeros trying to kill a SINGLE bomber.

[@ArtyKibbles2190]

A literal boss fight

[@SargNickFury]

@@ArtyKibbles2190 One of the zero pilot's Okamoto that made it home survived the war told the story of the laser shooting bomber to his son Yoshiki Okamoto, and thus Time Pilot, and 1942 games was inspired. I can't prove this theory, but I'm going with it.

[@Ozymandias2x]

=WARNING! ENEMY APPROACHING!=

[@TheFool_0]

Edited: So with the types of ammo, A typical b17 .50 ammo belt would be; AP (Armor Piercing) AP API (Armor Piercing Incendiary) API APIT (Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer) What they decided to do was; AP APIT So all planes typically used tracer rounds but these guys specifically decided to make it so that every other round was a tracer. To make it look that much scarier to face. Also, it probably helped a little bit with their accuracy. But thats just speculation on my part.

[@jakebrandyberry9116]

Not only that, but they doubled up the the guns, so it was basically double speed, that looked faster due to the amount of tracers. Then they put guns where guns shouldn’t have been.

[@iKvetch558]

I think that CG was thinking of the movie Fury when he was talking about laser tracers and thinking that other users of the .50cal also used tracer every other round...the producers of that movie admit that they basically made every other round a tracer when they did the CGI.😂

[@98765zach]

Also to remember is the tracer on .50 belts was also usually APIT so it still packed one hell of a punch

[@TheFool_0]

@@98765zach oh shit thats right!

[@heron6764]

Jay Ziegler, whom the ground crew thought was dead, managed to spit blood in the face of one of the corpsmen, letting them know that he was still alive. Just beyond belief...

[@1rotzy]

You were right that this is war, and these boys shouldn't be disobeying orders. The counterargument to that is that these guys are your best crews in the sky, and you aren't using them to their fullest potential because leadership would look bad if they died. This is war. Glory should be taking a back seat. Also, I think leadership gave Old 666 official missions was because if those Beavers were going out anyway, the air force should at least know where they are at. If the Beavers were left on their own they could accidentally mess up a mission and even more people die.

[@808INFantry11X]

Well by that logic non of our special operations would exist period that entire commands are based off the idea of thinking outside the box. You have to in War. Also for bombing the officers club is thats really Grey zone issue because in the military your taught to follow lawful orders and yes military go there but you also got a civilian workforce there which makes moral Conundrum because they are not combatants. You can make comparisons with bombing factories but two wrongs don't make a right there. However you can't really claim that as lawful order based off those grounds either.

[@808INFantry11X]

I dont think these guys were glory hounds glory hounds are folks who do things with the expectation of reward but there were guys interested in doing their job. Any glory hound would have quit ad soon as they were court marital because it would have hurt their ego. Glory hounds ego is everything infact the command seemed more egotistical in this case because they didn't want to admit that they could have done it a better way. You were bombing the officer club because they were trying to take credit for killing Yamamoto that's really what this was about. However he is just one man a very important man but not worth killing a bunch of innocent people and wasting perfectly good ordnance just to kill one man when you got bigger priority targets that actually can't wait to be destroyed.

[@808INFantry11X]

The Ammo dump and fuel dump those are very much more critical target especially in rabaul which is the Japanese pearl harbor home to its fleet this attack alone is partially responsible for the Japanese fleet not being able deploy especially the Battleships because of lack of fuel which actually did more to help the war then taking out a single Admiral that this point in the war is largely sidelined and his presence mattered very little in the outcome.

[@judgem0rt1s23]

If Hollywood made movies out of stories like this, they would make billions of dollars.

[@KibitoAkuya]

Yeah but it's better to not have modern day Hollywood anywhere near the good stories

[@alexhallify]

If they dont put all the men in a dress like everything else 😅 and credit the story to cali

[@Hawky610]

Doing anything after being hit with a 20mm round is a miracle already. 20mm is powerful enough that a single hit rips a chunk out of your body.

[@Ian_Ah_Nee]

19:01 Doom music in the backgroud 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrVvulf]

3:28 I completely agree with you. Schools today are FAR too focused on "book learning" and teaching with the aim of passing standardized tests. 50+ years ago (varies by region of the world) schools inspired curiosity while preparing and expecting students to apply their knowledge to real world problem solving.

[@blazer9144]

the reason that Jay was awake that long is. because a mix of a combat high, and adrenalin.

[@richardpierce7819]

I have to laugh , one of my jobs in my motor pool in the Marines was to aquire parts that were hard to come by. I was really good at it and our vehicles were always combat ready.

[@catlady443]

Nowadays congressmen and senators cannot give the military any orders whatsoever. All they can do is hold up budgets and promotions. Why the Senate has any say in promotions I will never know

[@kg4zmf]

You always need guys who are kept in a glass case that should be broken only in a time of war. As the chubby electron pusher says, antiheroes are 100% necessary in wartime and are 100% not tolerated in peacetime.

[@b3rz3rk3r9]

I just learned about this story, but now I am Demoniacally pissed that this SOMEHOW never got made into a movie. Seriously, Americans like myself eat shit like this for Dinner: Midway, 1917, Saving Private Ryan, The Pacific, Band of Brothers, Generation Kill, Inglorious Bastards, BOTH Top Guns, Hot Shots, Red Tails, Fury, The Patriot, Hacksaw Ridge, Pearl Harbor despite how I don't like Michael Bay, The Outpost, 13 Hours, Zero Dark Thirty, American Sniper, Platoon, Glory, Full Metal Jacket, Apocalypse Now, Edge of Darkness. And THESE are all just the Popular ones! America LOVES its military films, especially with underdogs coming on top. We eat this shit up like a dog looming over a litterbox, so how in the big briney Fuck have we not made a movie of this? This is perfect movie material; they won't have to change a damn thing.

[@meowmeow5335]

Highly recommend reading the book lucky 666! Made with letters and diaries from the actual crew. It’s an emotional read but very worth it.

[@ZeamersEagerBeavers]

Lucky 666 is a great read and does an admirable job of describing the theater of war and relating the 16 June 1943 mission, but except for the beginning, detailing Zeamer and Sarnoski's backgrounds, it's only accurate in the broadest bullet points. It gets the crew wrong, the history of 666 wrong, Zeamer and Sarnoski's timelines in theater wrong, the origin of the crew wrong, and myriad minor details wrong. Most exasperating to me is that it perpetuates the myth that the crew were renegades and misfits. I interviewed the surviving crew members and their squadron mates in the late '90s and early 2000s, have interviewed over 25 family members over the years, been given access to the crew's official records, diaries, and letters, and, unlike the authors of Lucky 666, pulled the official squadron and group records from the National Archives. They were not renegades or misfits or screw-offs. They were definitely occasional mavericks, but they were hand-picked by Zeamer and Sarnoski to *filter out* the misfits and screw-offs. They were simply men who wanted to fly more than their counterparts, were unafraid of Zeamer's aggressive flying and volunteerism, and did what it took to move the chains. If you want to know the real history of the crew, in terms of what actually happened to them and what they actually did, Lucky 666 simply isn't the place. It's the story of the crew the authors wanted to tell, not the real one.

[@brucekey1983]

Bro a civil engineer in those day was a general engineer of today. That means afterwards he could have picked his choice of area of expertise

[@charlesdaugherty321]

Moral of the story... Governments always make things worse for the people actually working.

[@janehrahan5116]

On the chain of command vs independent initiative, its easy to argue for either, generally most effective armies lean highly towards the latter, more so than even many corporations (though less so than any actually private enterprise).

[@ImprovmanZero]

The plane was technically still on the roster as a parts plane

[@iKvetch558]

Definitely not a big deal at all...but Fat Electrician makes a couple of small mistakes in this one...he identified the B-17 model as the B-17B, but it was not the B model, it was the E model...and those 2 guns in the nose were .50 caliber like the rest of the machine guns on the plane, not .30 caliber as F.E. commented. Later on, he also states that the machine gun in the radio compartment was .30 caliber, but it was also really .50 caliber.

[@PhycoKrusk]

Old 666 itself was a B-17E (highly customized, of course). However, when Zeamer first arrived in Australia in 1942, the B-17Es and the newest B-17Fs would have all been in Europe (although some B-17Fs were diverted to Austalia). The B-17Bs would have been refitted for recon flights and sent to Australia, and were what would have been flown initially. That said, it is certainly possible that Zeamer had only ever flown F models (except for Old 666), because the lack of adequate front defense was not properly address until August of 1943 with the B-17G, four months after the final flight of Old 666 (which, with a total of 17 .50 machine guns, still outgunned the B-17G with only 13).

[@iKvetch558]

@@PhycoKrusk The US was sending B-17Es to the Pacific in 1941...the B-17s that were caught flying into Pearl Harbor during the attack on December 7 were brand new B-17E models. Also, the B-17E model was the first mass produced variant, not the B model as F.E. mentioned.💯

[@PhycoKrusk]

@@iKvetch558 The mass production certainly is worth pointing out, and the production numbers bear that out: Almost 100 times as many E models were produced compared to the B.

[@iKvetch558]

@@PhycoKrusk And one other thing I recalled...F.E. talks about that time you mentioned when Zeamer first arrived in Australia, and he talks about how Zeamer learned every position on the B-17, including the ball turret. And the ball turret was not introduced until the E model...so Zeamer must have been flying in the E- model at least part of the time in Australia right from the time he arrived there. I assume that it is possible that older models of the B-17 would still be in service in 1942, but it is also clear that a notable number of E model planes were also in Australia right from the beginning of the Pacific War.👍

[@PhycoKrusk]

@@iKvetch558 Hm, tail gun wasn't added until the B-17E either. I think his source may have had bad info....

[@davidnoel2977]

The allies during world war II had a reddish orange tracer round color and the Germans had a green color