The Infestation (Warframe) VS. The Tyranids (Warhammer 40k)

[@CyricV]

Do the tyranids have a boy band? Didn't think so!

[@chestbumphero]

Damn, I was going to say the Tyranids too but you got me there

[@alexpeden3031]

That gives me an idea…

[@jipowap]

Genestealer Cult homebrew ahoy'

[@a.u.g.m.a.s]

TRUE THO🤣🤣🤣

[@IIARROWS]

The horror... I was thinking "of course the Tyranids are worse" but now you are making me rethinking my position.

[@Tentumon111]

The scary part? The Tenno would still look at this and go "I hate mondays."

[@wynnnnnnn5227]

Lore-accurate Grendel would be *very* happy to have such feast like a nid swarm

[@PenOfEvil]

@@Tentumon111 “drops?”😂😂

[@ohexenwahno5652]

another Akkad levelling session

[@arceusdominus2612]

I just like new guns

[@TheStripeTailedFiend]

@@PenOfEvil”NEW ENEMY TYPE; THEY MIGHT DROP GOOD MODS!”

[@connorboyle2585]

I will forever love that warframe is just "what if a bunch of optimists made a grimdark universe?"

[@Jester4460]

It’s such a grimdark world with such optimism but there’s no XENOs Every “alien” we meet is in some way human related

[@grv6142]

Yeah, the self-freed slaves, the self-freed slaves turned capitalists, the tortured warriors and children, the god-complex royals, and the man-engineered virus made to destroy a man-engineered sentient race. ​@Jester4460

[@Nick-cs4oc]

@@Jester4460 almost right

[@sebastiang8359]

It's really fun how the fact of the massive genocide that the tenno and end game warframes commit every day goes like another monday, that related with the dark part of the lore of warframe, Tenno be like: Fuck, we really ruined it, what ever let's go for some argon crystal and say hi to wally

[@siborgyoshi8510]

@@Jester4460 probably because warframe is entirely confined to our solar system

[@TheRagnus]

One thing many people don't consider is that the Tenno were very close to completely wiping out the infestation. The reason they're still here and have resurged to such a degree is due to Dr. Tengus of the Grineer capturing the last few surviving specimens and them later escaping. This is confirmed in the very first quest of the game.

[@chaosxrunner]

I wonder how long it has been in canon since the player character first awoken...

[@ParagonQuille]

@@chaosxrunner that's a REALLY good question, never thought about it before. maybe some day we'll find out

[@EnergycellVI]

Still though the reason they had that ability to almost wipe the infestation out was there void power from the helminth strain if the strain would be mutated to act like normal infested that would be A B S O L U T E L Y the end for everything

[@sheepersouls9898]

That doesn't mean they aren't a threat These things technically nuked planets with zits and spread their biomass far and wide They took half the system in a day and spread across the entire star chart also in a different day They took over an entire moon I'm not saying that the tyrnids stand no chance BUT WE STAND NO CHANCE

[@goreobsessed2308]

@@TheRagnus except the himinth strain we specifically spread it around lol

[@AuthorityCat]

Few people realize how Tall Warframe is. The Orokin Empire remained isolated to one star system, but what they accomplished there was incredible.

[@32inquisidor]

The Orokin just casually moved Moons and planets out of orbit just to mine them to the core.

[@iamhugry]

They weren't, they sent out sentients to the next star system and it backfired, they made infested to fight them off but it back fired, they made void children with Warframes but it backfired

[@jazzyjswift]

​​@@iamhugry Hubris is literally the central theme of Warframe 😂 I have a feeling that our deal with Wally will backfire and we the player will have not seen it coming due to Hubris. Most players think themselves untouchable. We literally get the ability to do everything that we do from our main enemy. He's toying with us. He taunts us by literally turning into a copy of us and throwing various warframe abilities back at us, then just laughs at us as while we're frantically running around looking for a book to close, as though the book has any impact on his ability to manifest. Again, just toying with us. Hubris will come back to bite the Tenno.

[@Alpha.Phenix]

@@jazzyjswift Boi, I hope we get bit sooner rather then later. I reached my tolerance threshold for power creep ages ago.

[@VertietRyper]

Technically, they weren't isolated to one system, but all attempts to move systems failed due to the Sentient rebellion and the Zariman void contamination incident causing "Him" to notice us.

[@CordovanSplotchVT]

Ordis: "Operator, I've recieved communications from a Roboute Guilliman offering sanctioned psyker status and a 'purity seals armour set' in return for the elimination of the Tyranid hive fleet." *14 minutes and 21 seconds later* Ordis: "Guilliman sends his thanks and is wondering if you would be interested in clearing out a Necron tomb world for a servoskull sentinel skin."

[@Arctic.Sirius]

I would farm so much for a servoskull sentinel skin

[@sie0000]

we would do so much for free things in warframe especially skins😂

[@Obs3ver]

Lotus: “Tenno, we have received orders from the “emperor of man” to eliminate the forces of chaos, payment will be issued if the mission is successful” (2 hours later) Abbadon: “THEY KILLED WHO NOW!? THEY KILLED THE CHAOS GODS!?” (Whisper whisper) “THEY ALSO FARMED THEM?! HOW!?”

[@CordovanSplotchVT]

@Obs3ver Nurgle is weak against Fire and Radiation, Khorne is weak against Cold and Viral, Tzeentch is weak against Toxic and Gas, Slaanesh is weak against Electric and Magnetic.

[@D00ML0RD1]

​@Obs3verwatch the repay of grendal hopping of a bike and eating a chaos god

[@marioronaldocontrerasmoral471]

Imagine the worst case scenario. The infestation arrive in a dormant Tomb world and they infect the Necrons before they wake up

[@PenOfEvil]

@@marioronaldocontrerasmoral471 absolutely terrifying

[@ladykryo4592]

No Just fuckin no That ends well for no one

[@ptbro3334]

What a scary thought XD

[@ghosthippie8465]

On the bright side, at least they get their flesh back.

[@nathaliethelittledemon1535]

​@@ghosthippie8465 i mean kinda

[@bobthetitan4179]

Imagine what a Tenno would be thinking fighting a infested Tyranid. They'd kill them by the thousands but the entire time be like tf is that? When did the infested start being creative?

[@miru_0098]

tbh i feel you on that one cuz like imagine a frame that oneshots anyways, theyd be like huh thats a new one, anyways...

[@wcalenielucekxd3337]

**stops mass genocide to actually look at what they kill** Tf are you? **Continues mass genocide**

[@ovencake523]

i wonder if the Tyranid hivemind / shadow in the warp would disrupt transference? If it blocks psykers then itd probably block the tenno it hinges on how the void and the warp play together

[@dev4159]

​@@ovencake523apparently there's some kind of eldritch ahh wall that makes it impossible to interfere in the mind of a tenno. And not it's not the man in the wall but yes it's a nod to him.

[@Dankmemeslover69]

Oh Tenno would do zero damage because of shitty build or modifiers

[@nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978]

"What's that Tenno doing?" "Sir he's just in his room jumping up and down and waving his sword." "*Sigh* damned Xeno freaks" "Sir the hive ships just blew up..." "WTF!?"

[@_Chaosnight_]

But wouldn't the Tenno be alied with the Imperium, the Tenno are human The Tenno would hate the Imperium tho and would rebel agaisnt it, we all know what the Tenno think of tyrants and such

[@artemisfowldragon]

@@_Chaosnight_”night of the nags drums 2 lads” “Ah lads not again…”

[@_Chaosnight_]

@@artemisfowldragon The Prime vanguard: "Everyone get ready to shank some people, this time they're not blue tho" Night of the Naga drums 2 electric boogaloo

[@RollerBaller]

​@@_Chaosnight_ I think they'd get along with old Salamanders. Maybe the Ultramarines too.

[@zeothesnowwolf2937]

​@@RollerBaller Salamanders. Blood Angels, Ultramarines and the loyalist half of the Alpha Marines

[@goreobsessed2308]

Knowing these 2 they would probably just become some new hybrid

[@PenOfEvil]

Who do you think is controlling it?

[@NinjaMaster23145]

​@@PenOfEvilinfested, they infect life on a molecular level so could destroy or alter any synapse creatures

[@NilasJunkyard]

@@PenOfEvil The infestation for sure.

[@Manny-fc8ym]

All of the DNA the infested have bro 😭

[@goreobsessed2308]

@PenOfEvil the infestation generally just wants to spread it probably wouldn't step in unless it had to once hybridization was complete After all that's exactly how it uses the tenno we make more frames spreading the helminth further and further

[@ir_0_ny]

And remember, upon death most infested enemies release spores, meaning they continue to infect even when they are gone. If you managed to survive an infested encounter, you wouldn’t live for very long afterwords.

[@Blood-Moon-Pack]

yes and no what i mean is the spores are least of there wories they consume stuff but dont eat it they absorb it so if thers a tyrant or a hole bunch of solders ir dosent matter they will consume it becoming bigger be it as a tyrant or a nother infested to combat them aka the golem from the derelict sense it absorbed all 3 factions but dosent look anything like them heck if the sittuation is needed infested will absorb eachother to become stronger

[@numbjuhnu]

Unless of course you are a Tenno, whose Void abilities make them immune to Infested, and Warframes themselves which are created from modified strain of Infestation.

[@Blood-Moon-Pack]

@numbjuhnu not really modified, just lowered dosage nidus was the first warframe to be ever made but sense he was purely infestation based it went rogue so they hadto destroy it after that they used the infestation just less amounts the infestation you see rn has never ben tampered sense it was made infestation becomes what it consumes so think of the first ever infestation created as prime infestation but as the years went on the stuff became weaker and weaker look at greener each new patch is weaker than the old one because they pretty much clone them selfs weakening there DNA resulting in weaker muscles that also infects machines tho sense the I tested may have learned to "hack"moas and drones but they can't control it unless they have flesh on them so yea the infestation has never changed it just had to work with what it had making it weaker in the process

[@elseggs6504]

​@@numbjuhnuNot just Tenno. Kavats adapted just fine. In fact those are snacks to them

[@illusiveelk2558]

Oh, no. You would live afterwards. You'd just wish you didn't.

[@Jenkkimie]

Another thing is that Tyranids need to constantly seek new biomass to consume. The technocyte virus doesn't. Infested eat because they can, they consume so they can grow more but when they take over the planet like Deimos, the old planets only become new hives that grow more and more.

[@elseggs6504]

The Nids not only need to feed constantly, they need biomass. Technocyte could easily make use of even the most barren worlds

[@omage3457]

The fact the infestation is only implied to be in the “early stage” of their evolution in comparison to the tyranids is just horrifying. The infestation is really young in comparison to the tyranids. Also yeah, the infestation doesn’t need biological matter to grow.

[@flamethekid]

thats pretty much the end of the argument there. the infested consume any and all matter and makes use of it, they would easily infest anything else.

[@ryojimata3708]

One thing is, the current fleets in 40k are only "scout" fleets.

[@itimi2044]

not to mention the 2 Worms on deimos, they just blow each other up just cuz they can, and they endlessly regenerate. So I dont think the Tyranids can do anything

[@wolfrainexxx]

Warframe plays *_tall._* 40k Plays *_wide._*

[@PenOfEvil]

mmm I like that.

[@bluekat7712]

Last I checked, 40k has more lore, more power, more.... everything. 40k is both taller, and wider than Warframe. lol Just because you didn't bother to look into the lore, didn't bother to read the countless books, doesn't mean its not deep. lol Also, 40k was around before Warframe, and did the whole "child warriors" thing first. Spacemarines are literally taken away as children, augmented on, and have the fear beaten out of them. Nothing in Warframe even compares on a deep level, to the birth of Slaanesh and the Dark Eldar... that some deep, dark, and messed up stuff.

[@pullingflowers]

@@bluekat7712i don’t know if it was that deep but go off

[@joshuawalsh3255]

​@@bluekat7712 I think this post was in reference to the power levels of the creatures within the settong, not the narrative depth or width

[@bluekat7712]

@@joshuawalsh3255 So was mine... remind me where the Titans are in Warframe...? The only people in that universe that could hope to match even a Spacemarine are the Warframes themselves, and the Sisters of Silence would beat even the Tenno. 40k has a much taller power spike than Warframe... we are talking about a universe where Cannons capable of time manipulation are a thing on a few battlecruisers, and starships casually fire off miniature stars, and techpriests shunted a entire planet into subspace just to scavenge from it, and a universe where a race fought literal Star Gods, and enslaved them, and went on to make a star map where they could poke planets out of existence IRL. Could the Orokin touch a planet on the map and cause it to cease existing...? I didn't think so. Every faction in 40k would absolutely roll the Warframe universe, even the Orks, who would propagate faster than even Saryn would be able to kill off.

[@a_stickman]

The terrifying part is that the bio ships of the tyranids would be used by the infestation afterwards giving them the on thing they lacked to spread further space travel

[@prateekkarn9277]

They already have the ability to do space travel. We took one of them out in jordas precept. They also eject biomass, which becomes meteorite like plague star.

[@bluekat7712]

Except they wouldn't, because the nids would develop forms immune to the infestation strain within an hour, and would have pre-knowledge months in advance of how the virus "infests" things due to scouting troops. They will incorporate the DNA of the Infested into their own makeup, like they did with the Eldar Psykers to make Zoanthropes. We'd get Nidus tyranids and even more effective Genestealers lol

[@FeatherMelody]

​@@prateekkarn9277 travel out of the system tho

[@mrgruntpocalypse3396]

there is also the fact that in that quest you are tasked with killing that Goliath which used to be the Cefylon Jordan

[@MrMordethrhedan]

worst thing is that... a whole tyranid fleet against 1 basic infested charger means the whole fleet lose. tryranids would wipe that charger out, but they will consume it, mixing it in their biomass reservoir to refill their troops, hence contaminating all their future soldier with the technocyte, and propagating it without knowing into their whole ship, that ship is already doomed...

[@darnellfelix8114]

remember too, the infestation remembers all of the forms it creates and can make any of those forms from scratch so say a carnifex got infested on planet A, planet B might see infested carnifex's suddenly appearing even if carnifex's havent been there.

[@zach942]

Psychic bugs would probably wreck anything infected tho neurothropes are pretty nasty plus the hive mind could become resistant to the infection or even outright immune to infection bc the tyranids already can become immune to nurgles different plauges it's just a matter of hivemind vs hivemind

[@MrMordethrhedan]

@@zach942 honestly, I don't really know how psychis bugs works... also, thing is infestation doesn't really work as a virus and more as a parasites, idk if tyranids are also imune to that.... but either way it's hivemind vs hiveminds and infinitly adaptating virus/parasyte vs infinitely adaptative host sooo... if that was to happen it would just end up in an inbetween crossbreed monstruosity that have both tyranids AND infested abilty...

[@kardellious]

​@@zach942oh word? Yeah if they can become immune to a chaos god disease they might have a chance. Though the infested is pretty nasty and adaptive but with that being said they deal with 40k orks and them bitches is mushrooms

[@thesilvershroud2134]

@@zach942 tbh we don’t know nearly enough about the infested to say what would happen. We know the tyranids would develop some kind of resistance to the infested but we don’t know if the infested has the same capabilities

[@artemisfowldragon]

The thing is, the tyranids have a process to turn biomass into more tyranids. The infestation has no such limitation. They’ll have the hive fleet dancing to “party of your lifetime” in a matter of time

[@verboosa8119]

Watch the vid, the infested don't need biomass, they can simply route control and amplify tyranid forces in a perfect way.

[@artemisfowldragon]

@@verboosa8119 that's... what i said?

[@zefellowbud5970]

Worst part even is that the infestation doesn’t even care about biomass after alad V’s tampering shit can use plastic metal and any inorganic material as part of its own biomass. Hypothetically every element in the periodic table and all compounds are fair game for it.

[@ImDaRealBoi]

@@zefellowbud5970oh no the infested ate the demon core, we're cooked

[@zefellowbud5970]

@@ImDaRealBoi plausible and probably done as well.

[@ovencake523]

4:12 the infestation predates the Orokin. In the quest that introduces you to the infestation, Lotus tells you the infestation happened sometime after the radiation wars, which is also confirmed by the Zariman Tablets in Duviri the Orokin just cultivated it although it might be a whole bootstraps paradox with the shit Albrecht is doing

[@Aeondromach]

In the lore (I believe the Whispers in the Wall) it is revealed that Albrecht brought a form of Deimos' strain back in time with him, so the infestation is from the future, but rooted itself in before its genesis.

[@bayaan_nk]

​@@Aeondromach Probably how he makes the protoframes

[@Jukantos]

Oh now you've just given me ALL SORTS of ideas. Imagine the only reason the infestation, the warframes and we as the Tenno exist is because of Albrecht becoming a "god king healer" in a time travel paradox where he went back to the "great plague year" of 1999... Then the only question remaining is did he bring the grey strain and create the plague with it to begin with. Is the infestation that our frames end up being built upon just its own grandfather, evolving the grey strain that in turn thanks to Albrecht creates the entire infestation to begin with.

[@bayaan_nk]

@@Jukantos It's possible the grey strain snuck in to 1999 with him. It's also possible he brought it with himself intentionally, he needed something to cure in order to get his Doctor title after all

[@Jukantos]

@bayaan_nk heck maybe the grey strain going with him is the REASON 1999 is "difficult to access" with void time travel, thus his attempt to travel there via the infestation, laying out a road block to wally

[@521fourtenlines7]

Suprisingly, kavats are immune to the infestation and kavat is probly the only thing slowing down the infestation growth on orokin derelicts.

[@ParagonGoetia]

They are not immune, more so capable of combating it, not completely immune though. They tend to consume the drones of the infestation and its why they are used in grineer ships to help containment if needed. The stronger entities and strains would not be slowed.

[@521fourtenlines7]

@ParagonGoetia but kat kiyot and must be the Apex Predator

[@DeezBaeNaeNae]

​@@521fourtenlines7vulpaphyla, kavats arent immune

[@thegrouchization]

@@DeezBaeNaeNae Kavats are explicitly immune, and in fact they feed on infested biomatter as their main form of sustenance. It's why the feral variant is found exclusively in the Derelicts (or rather Deimos, since the solar map was rearranged).

[@ToxicChimpGaming]

@@DeezBaeNaeNaevulpaphiila are not kavats they are fox like animals that only exist as infested, possibly something the infested created to combat kavats

[@voidknight6472]

you all arent seeing the best part of this, tyranid frame.

[@PenOfEvil]

@@voidknight6472 lol 🔥🔥🔥

[@faffywhosmilesatdeath5953]

Seriously though. That's something I've said for a while. The Tyranid would try to incorporate the technocyte virus, see one of them get taken over by a Tenno using transference, then go "NOPE!" and eject it. Not before we got a new frame tho.

[@larkshadow5317]

Prime when? ;)

[@S.A.F.T.I]

Any Warframe faction, if equalised in size in accordance to general fairness and the idea that if they meet it's after some form of establishment in that universe, would wipe out their equivalent race. The only reason the Grineer, Corpus, Infested, 'Orokin', Sentients and The Murmur aren't a bigger threat beyond the Origin System is because the Tenno are just that overpowered. Pure biological Humans, augmented by the Void, masters of all forms of warfare, truly immortal and utterly incorruptible? I'd give the Tenno a week before the 40K-verse started to sweat profusely.

[@PenOfEvil]

@@S.A.F.T.I Tenno vs Necrons?

[@S.A.F.T.I]

@PenOfEvil I believe Necrons are basically just a fusion of Orokin and Sentient. Considering the Tenno wiped both out at the same time I wouldn't rate their chances. The Tenno themselves are kind of ridiculous. Especially given they have no qualms about amalgamating technology for fun. There may only be around 650 Tenno but each one is an army-killer.

[@ladykryo4592]

​@PenOfEvil imma be honest, the tenno win. The necrons of limited numbers, the tenno dont. The helminth in the tenno ship automatically keeps the warframes up and runnin. And to get to the tenno, the necrons would have to catch a ship that flies itself (cephalons) while dealing with whatever fucked up abomination the tenno feels like throwing at the necrons. Its a battle of attrition, which the necrons cant really do

[@Karma-cp6rv]

@@PenOfEvil Considering the Existance of Caliban, which is just a Setient in a way, i wouldn't doubt the Tenno would pull some tricks and somehow find a way alongside the Helminth in their backroom to make a Necron Warframe that can control other Necrons like a Warlord (I forgot how Dynasty Leaders are called.) Since most Necrons of a lower caste, the ones who aren't direct Royalty to some High Ranking family from the former Necron Empire, don't have minds of their own anymore, that is a possibility the Tenno could exlploit, since their "deal" with the Helminth in their ship seems to be actively taken seriously by both sides.

[@danielbraga6286]

​@S.A.F.T.I funny thing, in lore, there are kind of thousands tennos. If you count the deal the void trader made with Wally, then we have countless tenno.

[@BBBence1111]

The only reason the Infested haven't taken over the Origin system is that they suck at space travel. They are still a constant threat, haveing eaten two moons more or less, and just generally running around causing outbreaks, floating around planets in abandoned ships, etc. Some people are resistant (Entrati) or have been cured (Saladin), so I don't think this is an instant loss for the 'nids, but it is a close fight. If some infested spores get back to a ship, it's very possible it gets taken over and suddenly everyone in the galaxy has a big issue. Generally speaking, I put it in the favor of the Infested because the Tyrannids just don't have a way to get rid of them really. Even if they evolve to be completely immune, they'll just be carrying infested spores with themselves everywhere. And isn't *that* a horrifying thought.

[@thorveim1174]

Another group to consider is the Myconians, proof that immunity to the infestation (with a price on the community level) is possible

[@ADunleavy]

The Entrati aren't resistant, they are able to keep in sound mind because of a remedy, but all it does is delay the inevitable.

[@oniceguard9205]

@@thorveim1174 the myconians are not inmune tho, they live there but the infestation consider them part of them due to "that sacrifice" they made so they leave them alone

[@jackers30]

It's not that they suck at space travel, their attempts are promptly shut down whenever they try. But they can. Jordas infected a whole ship and flew through space without that many issues before we shot it down. If the technocyte captures a ship and fully assimilates it, that's game over

[@zerg0s]

Right, but what a lot of people here are forgetting is that Thranids aren’t stupid. Sure, individual tyrandis on average are about as smart as a Wolverine, but synapse creatures are smart and the hive mind proper is genius. And doesn’t mind cutting off an arm (or rather, some skin cells for proper scale) to save the rest of the body. And the infested suck at space travel, which the Thranids excel at. So just like they’re avoiding necron tomb worlds, they’d avoid infested worlds, and just shoot down anything that tries to leave them from the other end of the system.

[@edubelonia6683]

In the beginning i was thinking the tyranids would 100% win, but then i remember what the infestation did in deimos, like there are two imortal beings that kill each other and wake up in the next hour like nothing happened, i don’t play warhammer, so everybody could correct me, but the capacity of the infestation of corruption everything, even a warframe, showed in the pacient zero, makes me think that the infestation wins, i didn’t see the video yet.

[@DragonxFlutter]

The thing about Patient Zero is that the Mesa boss was being controlled by one of SAlad V’s Mutalist puppet collars. Without that equipment, the Mesa wouldn’t have fought us. Plus, the Infestation is extremely slow to actually conquer any significant territory. Their only two strongholds are Eris, Deimos, and a handful of derelict Orokin Towers. Any time they try to make a foothold anywhere, everyone puts aside their differences and works together to fight the greater threat. The only thing that the Infestation is really capable of doing is capturing people. But when the Tenno catch on to a new plan and counter it, the Infestation hive mind is slow to make a new one. And the biggest weakness of the Infestation is that it was designed to be controlled and is relatively weak compared to the original iteration back during The Old War. While it has a hive mind, that hive mind seems to be slowly building up intelligence and hasn’t made any big moves since the Arlo fiasco. This is, of course, ignoring the “Techrot” and currently (pre-1999 quest) considering any appearances of it in the modern System to be temporal paradoxes. The Tyranids, on the other hand, can adapt to any situation within mere hours. Nothing short of destroying an entire planet can even slow them down. And even then, it’s a minor roadblock at best. And as far as anyone knows, the Milky Way is _surrounded_ by Hive Fleets. One literally _came up from below the dish._ The Nids are unstoppable. They’d curb stomp the Infestation. And I’m saying that as a Warframe fan.

[@IIARROWS]

Technically (and spoiler, but I guess you are fine if you are here), warframes are part infested.

[@pedrohenriquenunezcassiano4961]

The infestation not only spread like a virus and fungus, it can infect artificial life forms, metals, machine, is a biomechanical virus that will consume everthing, no matter what is made off, even planets become a big biological enteti, it can combine in one body, it can evolve and mutate, golem of jagras is a examble, it becomes a giant spaceship lifeform that corrupt and manipulate the ordis of that ship (i dont remember its name), is like necromorph, but 5x times worst

[@pedrohenriquenunezcassiano4961]

Why youtube, why?

[@Lwangombothwe]

​@@DragonxFlutterthey made the frames, can infect tech, bio, metal, different strains that are hella useful in a battle.

[@spectrosinjkai6973]

And that's before the man in the wall started collaborating with the infestation, spreading them across a network in different timelines.

[@Ally5141]

Infestation in 1990 is not the work of wallie afaik.

[@astoron8398]

@@Ally5141 its not the work of the man in the wall but the man in the wall is the reason its there. TL:DR Albrecht brought infestation with him back to 1999 and let it loose and technocyte seems to be a variation of the already existent helminth strain.

[@MrMordethrhedan]

@@astoron8398 not really... the infestation from 1999 isn't due to Albretch, it was "the great plague" even before he went there, we have no knowledge of the origin of it, Albretch only brought the helminth strain back to 99, not the whole infestation, the grey strain (wich is the one the technocyte ennemies we see in 99) was already plagging the world

[@Darlf_Sevil]

@@astoron8398 no he go back in time where first infested happend... it like it was some bio weapon or natural infestation that may not evne be from sol system or was able to get some good gens from bio labs... what happend later is old system fail orokin happend orokin take over that proto infested, orokin start work over infested and make it stronger but cant control it except few version... i feel like that infested change due to well Albrecht take some to 1999 so he can use that helmit version to take over infested in some humans and make thme proto frames. like in nyx helmit take not ful lcontrol or cant keep her alive as human in that ammut of infestation. long stroy short we dotn know what happend do it split timeline or do it make like fake timeline in void... people do theory that he not go back in time but back to coppy of that time in the void... in the end somehow that old pre oroking change infested happend in new origin system, and when people may think oh well oroking upgrade it so old are not scarry... but old may have some parts that orokin deleted so they can controll it... what if new hive mind be more active on spread betwen planets ?

[@Tacoguy1000]

I mean, Wally is why we got cross plat to begin with, which is apparently a feat of connecting four or more universes through the void so i don't doubt he'd be doing that elsewhere.

[@Dddsasul]

How I see 40k vs Warframe is basically just Warframe on Steelpath.

[@lewisriding3137]

You just summed up warframe vs 40K perfectly

[@peq42_]

The infestation consumes everything, organic or not, and adapts to everything, even magical powers like void, and spread through microscopic spores

[@The100thonly]

They have magic healing, and energy weapons. Stolen, maybe, but the infestation has them.

[@FutureZamasu]

@@The100thonlyyea I didn’t think about the infestation literally being able to create energy 😭

[@xFireBRx]

wrongly about void. The void is the only thing that is their weakness, that is 100% sure and also why the tenno are imune to them. Also, the infestation is afraid of the tenno, you can even see the helminth strain afraid of the tenno...

[@ParagonGoetia]

​@@xFireBRx Uh no, some of the infestation fear the void but they have harnessed it via eximus and other entities. The derilict exists inside the void. The reason the tenno dont have issue is that them as an entity that exists is beyond paradoxical and for the warframes, they were given form by being infested by the helminth.

[@xFireBRx]

@@ParagonGoetia Dindindidn wrongly, check the timelines. The infestation come back AFTER the derelict exit from the void. Thanks to Doctor Tengus. @EDIT When i said about dr. tengus, is about the infestation come back again...

[@Tinkhec_best_maid]

if Nergle got a sample of the infestation he would have the greatest day ever

[@polarwookie3701]

Debatable. He might love it or he might despise it.

[@Alpha.Phenix]

That or- ''Man, this is too easy. I will never need to make another plague again. No fun; delet this.''

[@nikkan3810]

@@polarwookie3701 Programmable virus that can do literally anything? Right up his ballpark i'd say.

[@Eedden42]

...right up until it swallows his entire garden

[@jurnikovah7453]

@@Eedden42 Techno organic virus vs Cosmic eldritch god of disease, virus and life in general... the infestation isn't winning that.

[@b3n9y74]

Tyranids: **impaling infested** Infestation: “Harder daddy~!” **begins rapidly assimilating and upgrading** Swarmlord: “OH GOD, OH FU-“

[@Rhino-Prime]

Infested: **impaling Tyranids** Tyranids: "OH, THAT'S THE GOOD SHIT" **begins adapting and assimilating ** Infested hive minds: AYO WTF?!

[@dev4159]

*The cycle keeps repeating itself*

[@PenOfEvil]

@@b3n9y74 ... Ayo lol

[@mickyflint]

Reminds me of blackwing from death troopers. There's a KZbin video that goes thru the story and an offical audio book and novel for star wars horror made before Disney. It's got a great example of how the infested could be seen by the citizens of 40k.

[@kazumablackwing4270]

​@@mickyflintthat particular story showed that Star Wars could indeed be a horror setting. That and the derelict Acclimator level from Republic Commando...shame the likes of either of those will never happen again outside of mods or fan projects

[@profalba8408]

Seeing how both of their goals are survive and multiply, there would be a change that they form a symbiosis of some kind.

[@PenOfEvil]

That was my original answer but after a bit of research neither of these races are too keen on working together. Even when genestealers adapt to the biology of other races the goal is always to be dominant. Same with the infestation. In short symbiosis wouldn't be possible.

[@Tidenshi]

@@PenOfEvilhow? The infestation has bowed to the warframe time and time again. Edit: I have been informed thrice already of the different strains so there’s no need to keep correcting me :) thanks.

[@Vinegar436]

​​@@TidenshiThe Helminth was genetically engineered by the Orokin to be completely subservient to theTenno. It's a completely different entity that may not even be connected to the hivemind. As far as I'm aware, neither the original, nor the Gray Strain have ever submitted to Warframes.

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@Tidenshi If anything it's shown that even Mutalist strains made by Alad V are capable of controlling Warframes, as seen in Patient Zero when a Mesa was controlled by them.

[@anquiladremon]

@@Tidenshi only helminth has being imply serve the tenno to some degree but only that the other strains: mutalist, deimos, jordas, lefantis and techrot are extremely aggressive against warframes and other forces some are more active than others but they are there has far I am concerned plague stars not only happened in Cetus but all the planets in reach of the infestation

[@IsfetReigns]

The mind of the infestation plus the ability to travel ftl with out the void would be devastating. No were but the void would be safe and only then if the man in the walls protected you

[@Rhino-Prime]

And that's assuming they don't adapt to it.

[@IsfetReigns]

@Rhino-Prime they could but the infestation would also adapt and faster.

[@Rhino-Prime]

@@IsfetReigns This is basically an infinite cycle of no u with the 2 of them.

[@IsfetReigns]

@Rhino-Prime pretty much but the infestation would eventually gain control and then it would just be the infestation getting better and better

[@Rhino-Prime]

​@@IsfetReignsYeah but the problem is that both sides will just keep adapting faster and faster to outadapt the other​

[@BeardGrizzly]

Recombination of DNA is incredibly hard to beat. Period. Necromorphs, the Flood, the Infested, SIVA... All of these are incredibly powerful.

[@Breadwalker765]

SIVA getting assimilated by Infestation would FCKING nightmare fuel.

[@knighty8975]

​@@Breadwalker765 but isn't Shiva an all consuming, self replicating nano machine would they just break down the infested spore on sight and repurpose it's matter to make another copy of themselves ?

[@Breadwalker765]

@@knighty8975 fair enough it would be a good contender if it really completely deconstructs the cells themselves to prevent infection.

[@WonderlandGhost]

​@@knighty8975the infection is nano itself that infects everything from flesh to metal to data

[@myahmyah2287]

I think it should be noted the infestation is literally so infective that a grineer commander simply stepping on a weird small charger got infested and a crew of Corpus got infested by taking credits that were in a infested ship not touched by any infested

[@Alextomps]

This doesn’t really count but the warframes are also infested even tho the Tenno controls them

[@pizzaaddicted__6553]

The warframes were people. Volunteers or not they were transformed into warframes thanks to the orokin bioengineering

[@Alextomps]

@ exactly

[@FutureZamasu]

@@pizzaaddicted__6553yea the warframes are people while the recreated ones aren’t.

[@Dot_FLP]

Wait till Papa Nurgle gives the infested a buff....its over

[@TGNXAR]

I'm thinking grandpa Nurgle would take one look at the infested and nod in approval.

[@normalplays4937]

​@TGNXAR " OK who did this? Who knew it was my birthday?"

[@Arcangel6292]

Nurgle would become so exited that he will become slanesh seing the infestation

[@wander-0014]

@Dot_FLP fuck, if Nurgle can spawn Demon frames by using the helminth strain of the infestation to create Hollow warframes before having a demon posses the frame shit might be up...

[@bluekat7712]

What'chu mean. Nurgle would wait till the Nids devour the Technocyte, and create nidus-like Bioforms capable of reproducing the hivefleet via simple infection. Imagine stronger versions of Genestealers, where people morph into Nids within minutes of exposure to Tyranidus spores. He'd want to adopt this new "Tyranidus" fleet. lol These would be like the Technocyte... except NOTHING would be immune to it as the Hivefleet adapts to each immunity, as well as have the clearly superior intellect of the Hivefleet, and the Tyranidus fleet would be able to even incorporate actual tech, and take over technology like the Technocyte. Tyranidus fighting the Imperial Guard: "Mmm, thats a nice Baneblade you got there... YOINK"

[@DarkmegaGaming]

I swear, they'd totally get into a fight and then be like, "you're all under new management now... ANYWAYS, back to universal domination then!" especially once the infested gets a taste of the tyranid's own hive mind and gets it's technology.

[@attaug]

It really is funny how strong the infested is when you think about it... and they are able to be defeated by a space cat. Kavats are naturally immune to the infestation and actively eat it. There simply aren't enough Kavats around to consume it all given how fast it multiplies and subsumes everything else.

[@liamwinkworth9939]

Lets also consider that what'd most likely happen is the infestation would find a different faction and assimilate a few ships/planets first... imagine the infested with the mecanicus machinery or an infested space marine.. and as was already commented by someone else the infestation remembers wach of its forms. The moment a single space marine is infested that template then becomes available on any infested world...

[@Cabbage-Enjoyer]

Infested titants 😭

[@FeatherMelody]

We don't have to imagine for mechanicus, the infested can already take over the more advanced corpus tech, and can produce Warframe equivalents. (And Warframes are also made of the stuff) And I don't think a stretch to say a Warframe is much more threatening than a space marine, even unarmed.

[@Cabbage-Enjoyer]

@@FeatherMelody The Jordas Golem freaked me out the first time lol

[@_bustion_1928]

CODA SYSTEM (1999 smart time-space traveling technocyte) INFESTED BLOOD TIDE, OR INFESTED MAN OF IRON CAPABLE OF WIPING OUT PLANETS, or something else from the Dark Age of Technology.

[@addmen96]

Tyranids have a big advantage in combat BUT they can't remotely infest imperial ships and planets just by brodcasting Party Of Your Life Time. + Helmith can produce warframes under hive mind's control, which would put up a fight

[@miraqen7801]

I mean, you have warframes that can transcend space and time, so it wouldn't even be a fight - which is to say that the tenno would _help_ the infestation. Regardless, the technocyte can easily just infest the entire Tyranid colony and become its new ruler, so to speak.

[@Rat_Fบcker]

hmmmm could the "party of your life time" be so much of a banger in 40K universe that it's let Slanesh corrupt people who listen to it?

[@DandyShitlord]

​@miraqen7801 unfortunately there are beings in 40k that also transcend space & time and yet they also fear tyranids or just don't find them worth the sheer effort it would take to deal with them

[@dontuspowerus1093]

​@@DandyShitlord Transcend? The warp is a mirror reality with a messed up (warped) space-time anomaly. Fabius Bile could literally dispel chaos god's whispering to him if he could just think hard enough that they're not real. Plus the Chaos God's can't truly manifest life. If they could, the should have living bodies of their own already. They can't create a real Multiverse or even a Universe. Best they could do is to conjure up an imaginary realspace and fool anyone into thinking that it's real.

[@ParagonGoetia]

​@@DandyShitlordI guess the indiference was just petty enough to collapse multiple timelines on themselves after the deal with the tenno. This is implying things arent happening because wallu wanted them to.

[@waechter13]

Hive warrior: soooo um you guys hungry? Infested charger: :incoherent screaming: Hive warrior: you guys cool, lets eat a planet

[@aveoxus1139]

A reminder that the Flood from Halo is very much the Grey Strain just infecting a different videogame universe. I consider them interchangeable with their biological and technological absorption abilities in lore. Both were brought about because of foolish hubris as well!

[@elseggs6504]

Not quite. The technocytes were there before. The orokin were just so desperate they scooped it up and made them their own weapons. They didnt plan on getting backstabbed by the Tenno. The Grineer however....

[@thorveim1174]

Id say the flood and grey strain are fairly different when it comes to infecting machinery: the flood has to essentially "hack" the AI, but it stops here. The Grey Strain meanwhile physically infects machines just like it does flesh

[@fizzyoddcod]

Warframe’s infestation is just Halo’s flood on steriods

[@PenOfEvil]

Literally

[@dontuspowerus1093]

​@@PenOfEvilAs long as the Steroids is on Steroids

[@shugo5130]

Not quite. If you know **all** the lore of halo’s flood you would know that it isn’t even remotely close.

[@dontuspowerus1093]

@@shugo5130 The infestation held back highly advanced evolving and adapting sentient robots. Those same robots were capable of terraforming dead planets and creating life. Both are created by the Orokin, of whom are treating the study of time as a class for their elementary/highschool students. The Infestation retains the information and power of those they consume. At their height, they could highly likely manipulate time. The entire solar system's saving grace against them is that the Orokin destroyed their big guns because the Sentients could Hijack all forms of technological marvels that they made.

[@ThomasCpp]

Infestation isn't even close to as bad the the flood. Flood required the destruction of most of the life in the galaxy to hold off, infestation is just space black mold. Only reason infestation is a problem is idots keep trying to weaponize it. (ballass, dr tenga, salad v etc)

[@hunterpalmer3183]

Finally someone who gets how powerful everything really is in warframe.

[@PenOfEvil]

@@hunterpalmer3183 just wait I got some more

[@ThreeGoddesses]

The tyrannids wouldn't stand a chance for a few reasons: 1: the technocyte creates "sword steel" for flesh 2: the infested are of a true non psychic hive mind whos singular goal is to unite everything unto itself. The strains have their own hive minds, but the nids aren't a true hive mind, its a hive caste, which means by the time the tyrannids figure out whats going on its too late. 3: The destruction of the infested releases spores, which spreads the infestation. Returning it to genetic slurry wouldn't work as it is a virus; it IS genetic slurry. The tyranids would doom themselves by eating the infestation, which would spread up the feeding tubes into the hive ships in orbit, burning the candle on both ends. Killing infested spreads the virus. Eating the infested spreads the virus. 4: not only would the technocyte virus be directly infecting the tyrannids in space and planet side, it would also infect everything else. 5: infested bioforms are likely to become bigger and more powerful than anything ever devised by the Tyrannids. Deimos created two strains that have a dominant bioform large enough to mimic night and day through their bioluminescence.

[@zerg0s]

The Tyranids would win, for one simple reason: they aren’t brain dead. Individually, sure, but as a whole, the hive is smart. And after realizing the invasion is doomed, would just bombard its own forces on the planet from orbit, scuttle infested ships, and move on. On a planet, the Tyranids can’t really win against the infection, sure. But the infested suck at space travel, and the Tyranids as a species are primarily spaceborn so they don’t have to fight the infested on a planet. You’re saying the hive mind of the Tyranids needs to long, but that’s not really the case? Infestation isn’t instant. It’s irreversible, sure, but since hive mind communication is psychic and not physical the Tyranids forces on the planet would inform their ships in orbit that something’s wrong, so the invasion would just end at the infiltration phase of the Tyranids invasion (that’s the very first stage, where most of the fleet hasn’t even entered the system) and the hive fleet just diverts to another system. But even if you had the hive fleet in the system, the infested aren’t that big of a threat on stellar scale? Otherwise Warframe would only have a single enemy type (infested). They can’t cross from planet to planet without help, and their attempts to do so are regularly and successfully diverted by Grineer and Corpus space assets. None of which come even close to the firepower of a hive fleet. Now, we might then see a splinter fleet just hanging out near the infested planet and repeatedly sending down invasion forces to try and overcome, because that’s what the Tyranids do. Kavats are immune to infestation, so biological immunity is achievable, and eventually, the Tyranids will achieve it. And then they’ll start eating and evolving. And then you get a tyranite technocyte virus with all the advantages of both species.

[@ThreeGoddesses]

@zerg0s feral kavats are resistant, not immune. And nothing remains immune forever. That said, the tyrannids would be slow to respond not because they are unintelligent but because they aren't a true whole like the infested are. The Norn Queen controls the hive tyrants controls the warrior controls the hornegaunts. This tiered command makes for greater military resiliency, but it's a far cry from the one bioform is a tendril of the larger whole. It takes time for the hive in total to respond, which is why viral weapons are technically viable counter weapons. By the time the hive had adapted, so too would the technocyte. And fleeing isn't victory. You're saying the only viable option the tyranids have is to disengage the minute they detect infestation. And yeah, definitely, the tyrannids have space travel as a home advantage... but jordas golem can travel space, too. Given the opportunity and absorption of hive assets, I don't think it's actually all that unreasonable to assume that if the tyranid and infestation ever met, all life everywhere is lost.

[@ThreeGoddesses]

And the only reason the infestations been contained (not eliminated, mind you, because that's basically impossible) is because of the tenno and their warframes. And outbreaks still happen.

[@petryksachko4102]

@@zerg0s To be fair(and nitpicky), is that really a loss for the infestation? If the tyranids gain the ability to eat the infested, sure, that's bad But if they're just immune . . . It's kind of a benefit, the infested gain free space travel, and the tyranids gain a terrifying virus that eats anything they can't(like literal rocks and bare metals) And even if they eat the infested, they would still end up being carriers of it, maybe we'll even get tyranids that farm the infestation for bio materials(since it can eat everything, and then grow from it)

[@bluekat7712]

The Nids would win, the Technocyte dosn't even have a single hope in the world of facing down a Hivefleet.... It really is mind boggling how many of you Warframe fanboys think a biospecies like the Nids, who have such advanced adaptation that they create massive fleets of LIVING SHIPS CAPABLE OF WARP DRIVE VIA FARTING, could even remotely fall pray to a virus that struggles to even travel through space, period. Its not even comparable adaptation. The Technocyte has had THOUSANDS of years to work on this, and it still hasn't come up with a way to reliable spread through space outside of co-opting other space vassals, or some idiot moving the virus around. But lets run through the exact reason why: Technocyte struggles to do anything against anyone immune to it, and that biological immunity, and thus the possibility that biological life forms can become genetically immune too Technocyte is the very reason it'll lose. If its biologically possible, its 100% going to be done by the Tyranids. If a freaking cat can be immune, and thrive off the Technocyte virus (looking at you Derelict Kavats), why wouldn't the Nids be able to do the exact same? Again... they adapted to be able to WARP TRAVEL. They have also already been shown to become immune to biological virus bombs, virus bombs like the Technocyte, so again... what possible reason would stop them from simply adapting too the Technocyte, and saying "haha, no, now we feed :3 "? Its a rhetorical question, because there isn't anything, and once the Hivefleet becomes immune, the Technocyte just becomes an all you can eat buffet, growing the Hivefleet bigger and bigger as it consumes the Technocyte biomass which then tries to reproduce, and possibly incorporating the Technocyte DNA into new Nidus-like bioforms.

[@thatwarframeguy3855]

As a Warframe fan, I’ll speak from a bit of experience here. If you composite the current infested into one hybridized strain, then put them against an equivalent sized hive of of Tyranids. The infested would win, easily. Not even a challenge. But the numbers advantage they have canonically is probably too great, even for lore accurate infested to overcome. The only possible chance the infested might have in that scenario, is if a preexisting faction in the warhammer universe chose to amp it up even further with technology and abilities from the verse. The infested, I’d argue are far more adaptable. But the sheer amount of pushback they’d realistically face, would prevent them from really making a big enough foothold in the 40k verse to do anything significant. You have to equalize their numbers, if you want a “fair” arguement.

[@Necroxion]

However, Infested don't need to consume biomass to replenish like Tyranids do - they just need to infect living or dead hosts And they spread spores on death as well as infest the environment itself, not to mention being able to take over completely robotic members of other factions such as Necrons And the Infested were not made to be limited, they were made to repopulate biological life after Earth received the Terra treatment, and only a specific strain became hostile, meaning the Infested actually do have the capability to reproduce without consuming biomass TL;DR: the Infested are FloodOrkZerganids

[@tomsmith6379]

As Son says Deimos is literally a catatonic Infested. The "tapeworms" it has cause a day and night cycle. It's blood cells can be used as companions for you. Then there's Alad V and the Jordas Golem who can potentially infest further planets. Then there's Nidus and the Helminth strain creatures who can take over lesser strain beasts.

[@ghosthero0806]

i don't think so tbh, because the tyranids would have to purge the infestation from their ranks with extreme precision to remain in control of their vast numerical advantage. infested die and release their spores. any tyranids in the vacinity are now new infested within minutes.

[@enderreaper9240]

The problem is that even if it's just 1 single infested, that's all it takes to for the infestation to win, a single infested will infect and entire Tyranid swarm, for every infested they kill, hundreds, of not thousands of their own own will be infected, its like trying to use a hammer to kill a virus, it will never work. The Tyranids cannot win, the hivemind of the infested possesses instantaneous communication across any distance, from anywhere, they possess infinite capability to adaptation and infection and can even harvest the memories of their victims, it's like halos flood, but on steroids. The only reason the infested are being contained os the fact they lack interplanetary travel, and the tenno being completely immune to them, as well as being able to obliterate hundreds if not thousands of them in a single mission with no exhaustion whatsoever, in like 5-10 minutes

[@samakiraroyjanssen6326]

The infested have holds in other mathematical planes; something tyranids cannot access. So it’s a war where one side cannot be beaten.

[@ethanemerson4862]

It’s interesting to note that in the Glast Gambit quest, the Tenno meet a colony of Humans with a sort of unwilling symbiosis with the infestation, somehow immune (or at least highly resistant) to it. The infestation still tries to convert them, it’s not happening anytime soon.

[@marioronaldocontrerasmoral471]

The strain came from Nidus since he was found in their colony, that's why they haven't fully converted, however, that still makes them a constant target for the infestation since they hate hybrids.

[@ML7WL]

The cephalons are implied to have some amount of organic component or are rooted on glassified remains.

[@Necroxion]

Yes, but the Infested can also infest Moas and Drones, which are fully mechanized

[@pedrohenriquenunezcassiano4961]

A biomechanical virus, fungus whatever

[@samakiraroyjanssen6326]

@@Necroxionand jordas was infected via a ship, not even his crystal.

[@shaldurprime7154]

When I saw the thumbnail said "it's not even close" I had a vastly different outcome in mind

[@IIARROWS]

Because you were right. The video assume that you can't develop immunity to the infestation, which is wrong as in-universe already have people who are immune. Hell, warframes themeselves are the proof that the infestation can be controlled and stopped. Otherwise no frame would be kept in stasis or operational for long.

[@PenOfEvil]

​@@IIARROWS The Myconians are not naturally immune to the virus, in fact they have a ritual to keep this "immunity" from going extinct. It also drastically shortens their lifespan due to them becoming hybrids. Also the helminth was not controlled by anything but the tenno. When the Warframes were originally created they in fact were closer to beasts than anything else. Fighting anyone and anything. Ergo the only immunity there is effectively means you are infested.

[@shaldurprime7154]

@IIARROWS I wasn't even thinking of anything like that. And warframes are kind of a poor example of immunity since they are already _made of_ infested. But no I was thinking of their respective success in conquests, Tyranids are a highly successful pan galactic threat that most everyone is aware of and take action to eliminate on sight. The infested have two moons and a few dozen capital ships to their name in territory, were successfully bottled up and forgotten for several centuries, and regularly have crackpot scientists with overlarge egos trying to harness their power. This disparity likely has more to do with the power scalings of the "good guys" in each verse though

[@IIARROWS]

@@PenOfEvil Yes, that's the cure for you. The whole quest is revolving around an ethical choice, you have 3 choices. 2 of them are net positive as one keeps the lineage alive, the other is studying it to create a cure, and the third is "you chose" which is the bed end for everyone but the girl. But there is control for the infection, there is no control for the tyranids. Your whole point is "you cannot develop a resistance", when there is more than one example of that in universe. It's not even fan fiction.

[@samakiraroyjanssen6326]

⁠@@IIARROWSyou mean the colony of people who only had that due to constantly sacrificing a kid to Nidus? Or the Warframes made of the very infestation (helminth strain) that are immune because they are infested to begin with.

[@Nistaa]

Don't forget how the infestation is able to completely control a planet in a short time !

[@angelman906]

Same as Tyranids and warframe worlds are not as vast as Warhammer ones.

[@edwardhealey591]

​@@angelman906I think you misunderstand what they mean by "control". The infestation literally controls the planet by converting the whole thing into more of itself, Tyranids take usable bits back to the fleet to maintain itself.

[@boonethegoon7963]

@@angelman906 but Tyranids have to physically be there to control the planet if a group of infested happened to TOUCH the planet like 50 yrs ago even then it’s still fucked completely even if the worlds are bigger the outcome doesn’t change

[@FutureZamasu]

Also don’t forget that every planet has Atleast some infested that are quarantined onto ships known as “dark sectors”. Imagine what would happen if one of those ships landed on the planet that they orbited

[@estaveler3288]

The tyranids would see the infested and think "ooh free biomass for the army", while the infested would look at the tyranids and go "ey free breakfast i wonder how fast before they realize they're all infected already?"

[@TheNeoVid]

One of them would assimilate the other. It wouldn't matter which of them was the winner, because everyone else in existence would be the losers.

[@retricallltann6243]

Then a Tenno just comes used one ability and nukes them outta existence all for some mods

[@Giganotus]

The Infestation is truly terrifying. Now here's a fun tidbit to add. The Infestation is afraid of something. The Void. And especially an entity within it. If the Infestation is more than capable of absorbing the Tyranids in a hypothetical scenario, imagine what an entity that scares it must be like.

[@Arcangel6292]

The infestation can get the skills of the tiranids, once they get their adaptación they will be fcked

[@Rhythmholic]

You cannot reject my beauty. -Helminth

[@galling2052]

Here is the thing almost everybody forgets when discussing tyranids: They are psyhic and very potent at that. Their defences are not only pysical but also metaphysical. They are not only absurdly resistent to any biological warfare, but also are straight up the least metaphisically corruptable things in 40K Furthermore sth very similar like the infastation exsists in 40k. The destroyer virus which basically has the same effect and only 1 tyranid vessal ever fell to it: It was wounded, isolated, its "crew" was eradicated and psyhically supressed from a armies worth of psykers from the inside out just so the virus could take over. It was a 1 time ordeal which took great effort and unique circumstances. And that is but 1 of a myriad of weird postphsical afflictions in 40k

[@Necroxion]

@@galling2052 the Infested use Eximus Units which also have their own esoteric powers as well as overguard specifically to block esoteric powers, and Infested Ancients that give overguard to all nearby units to also block esoteric powers Not to mention the Infested can just infest mechanized units from other factions, including pure robots like Drones, Moas, Rollers, whole spaceships and now even 1999-era PCs, so an Infested Warlord Titan for example...

[@thelurkerbel0w]

​@@Necroxion an infected warlord... Inquisitor, execute exterminatis

[@Necroxion]

@@thelurkerbel0w and unlike the 'Nids, they actually can assimilate the tech of other races and even grow their own bio-ammunition Forget infesting an Inquisitor, infest the whole damn Inquisitor's ship and then send some spores to multiply on the wiped out planet - they don't even need Biomass, they reproduce like Orkz! And what's even worse is that 40K ships have Machine Spirits, which unlike Tyranids _are_ chaos-corruptible already

[@doublereel-real]

​@@Necroxion not to mention the deimos infestation, the helminth strain, ecetera

[@omgwtfhaxfan1221003]

Inquisitor is now unable to exterminatus as the ship is now completely infested.

[@cart0443]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[@TheLikeButtonLMAO]

Imagine how terrifying it would be if the flood came into contact with the tyranids

[@FeatherMelody]

I actually kind of wonder who would come out on top between flood and infested. Normally I'd call it a tossup, but recent developments have me leaning infested.

[@dfsgaming5170]

I LOVE this. From my point of view, the Tyranids and the Infestation would eventually merge, as one tries to adapt to the other they may become an amalgam and eventually a new strain of technosite virus in which the biological part comes from Tyranid DNA,

[@siliciaveerah9327]

this is what i see as a potential too

[@jipowap]

One immense difference, if the Hive Fleet encountered was heavy on _psyker_ bugs. Warframe enemies are incredibly weak to mind control, and esoteric powers. As long as the bugs don't put down any capillary towers they should be standstill, tied, with the technocyte virus. Like facing Necrons, it just isn't worth it.

[@Argol228]

eximus units exists though. as long as anything in the warframe universe has overguard. they become immune to to things like mind control.

[@lordofminddisorders5185]

@@Argol228 Genius, lmao

[@jipowap]

@@Argol228 what, one in three _units_ in a hoard? I doubt the hivemind is so well guarded

[@thebluepaladin]

@@jipowap infested anceints spread overgaurd to all other units.

[@pedrohenriquenunezcassiano4961]

​@@thebluepaladinwell shit, the infestation is strong

[@sohay2898]

So you've chosen war for your comment section 😂

[@PenOfEvil]

I love it here 😂

[@frustratedsquirrel]

Tyranids feel far more hostile and insidious. There's something weirdly 'tame' about the infestation sometimes, like to the Tenno, it just feels kind of like an annoying weed out in your garden, which you sometimes keep as a houseplant for the fun of it, even though the reality is far from that and it's actually the biggest threat on their radar. I think it's because sometimes the infestation actually helps the Tenno, so it's easy to forget how dangerous it really is. Meanwhile, Tyrranids have like, Gene stealers and stuff. They're just 100% malicious through and through. I feel like the Tyranids could pull some sneaky evolution bs, like gene-stealing from Kavats somehow to become immune to the TC virus.

[@elseggs6504]

The difference is that Warframe factions are slightly less *mentally behind* and thus arent top busy fighting themselves to keep the infested at bay.

[@darthplagueis13]

The simple fact is, the Infested don't really need to bother with infiltration, though the Emissary strain could be argued to do something simular to Genestealer cults. They can assimilate most organic or anorganic beings within minutes of spreading their spores, so there's not really an incentive for following the Tyranid playbook. If you have a wrecking ball to tear a house down with, there's probably no reason to bother lockpicking the door first.

[@danielstachowiak568]

The infested dont often target tenno outright because they see warframes as siblings. The Lefantis Hydra itself actively asks why youre fighting it, and seems almost personally hurt by the attempt. They generally only fight back when the tenno start culling them, out of preservation. Every other faction though? Infested consume without hesitation. Corpus derilicts, grinner asteroid bases, the entire moon of deimos, hell even the Jordas Golem. Everything gets subsumed eventually.

[@solaridraconi6225]

Ah, that is actually rather easy to explain. That's the 'Tenno experience'. Tenno use Warframes, which are constructed from/using a specially cultivated strain of the Infestation and controlled via the transference ability they possess. Warframes are infested, so the Infestation tends to have trouble seeing Tenno as enemies.

[@thorveim1174]

​@@danielstachowiak568yep, the one reason warframes dont get infected is because they arelady are infested being themselves, though in an inert form that is harmless to other beings infection-wise. Thats why (at least for a very long time, no idea if its still accurate today) every single warframe requires plastids to be produced, which is inert infested material

[@ipatchymakouli415]

Quite some misconceptions here and there. Small correction - Zoanthropes aren't the only ones "facilitating" synapse. If anything, Zoanthropes are a recent creation among the Tyranid ecosystem (I prefer that term over species, as nids are made of many different ones). Even Warriors emit synapse, but of course larger beings such as Tyrants have much more impact, leading to even more efficient strategies. Biologically wrong - individual Tyranids can suffer from plagues or viruses (else Nurgle players would be sad), but the whole ecosystem can not be infected by viruses on a large scale. Not only they adapt that fast (as you used Space Marine 2 cinematics, the virus bomb deployed barely had effects for a few hours iirc), but mostly because before returning to their hive ships, all Tyranids and the food they stored in fleshy nests are dissolved into a soup. Big and small ones, they all throw themselves into that soup by instinct, to be recycled to a molecular level, so that matter can be reused on their next planet/dinner. If you insist saying "but its also mechanical!" Then it wouldn't be assimilated into the hive (even tho they do feed on planets minerals for their carapaces/chitin). So if you still insist saying the virus can't be dismantled or keeps its property, sure, stuff above the laws of physics with no details can beat everything I guess. Not my preferred kind of writing. Psychically wrong - Corruption and psychic capabilities is the last point I'm not agreeing with. I'll just quote for both : "Their very presence disrupts any psychic activity, they do not have souls, and are all part of a collective, there is no corrupting to be done". It's not a matter of intellect or complexity. It is by nature incorruptible. It's like trying to make rocks believe in your religion. Good luck mate. I'm mostly pissed since the video started with facts, how Tyranids work, Narval stuff and subspecies is accurate. Giving a false sense of truth given what misconceptions follow next, such as them carrying the virus and transmitting it to the whole ecosystem (as explained, that's not really possible), them being psychically overwhelmed (huh... The "shadow in the warp" doesn't only affect "the warp" because of its name, but whatever)... or in the end, the worst non-sense I've heard: soulless creatures being corrupted... Yup, not my cup of tea.

[@PenOfEvil]

Alright I'll play. 1.) Maybe there is some misconceptions and I did not explain it enough. The technocyte virus breaks things down on a molecular level as well, but based on what it creates it is 100% far more complex than the Tyranids have ever shown to be. Also your first point assumes that the Tyranids are better at assimilation, which is not only incorrect by your own interpretation, but by definition. The technocyte virus assimilates everything, there is no limit. Tyranids very much have a limit. It is mechanical AND paracausal. Ergo superman ain't safe. 2.) Most of this doesn't matter at all to verdict presented in the video. Regardless of whether or not the infestation interrupts the nids psychic communication it has no way of destroying or beating something like this. Also I don't know where this idea of psychic corruption is coming from. Yes the Infestation has the capability of controlling that but it very much does not care. It is a virus. It's goal is to spread and there is nothing that you listed here that would stop it from doing so. Unless of course the nids can vaporize things on a molecular level. Incorruptibility means nothing if I completely remake you. In conclusion the virus remakes things on a molecular level, with a much higher potential for even more complex products. The only way I can see this going even with the new information here, is the tyranids run away. Much like they do with the necrons. they cannot compete nor reproduce on a viral scale. It isn't feasible for them to kill every spore, every miniscule virus, every molecule the infested alter. Genuinely speaking I was being generous with this verdict. The infested get stronger every time Warframe updates lmao. AND I didn't include the warframes which are a product of the virus and I could've. Antimatter bombs, sunbeams, superspeed, basically superheros lol. Sorry man, I think they are cool too. Maybe the warhammer universe will fair better with the next match up.

[@ipatchymakouli415]

​@@PenOfEvil "It isn't feasible for them to kill every spore, every miniscule virus, every molecule the infested alter" They do that for Orks. Genuinely asking, how wouldn't they be able to do that with technocytes? By that, it means "Regardless of whether or not the infestation interrupts the nids psychic communication it has no way of destroying or beating something like this." is also wrong, unless you manage to prove otherwise, which would be rewriting 40K. They do, in fact, excel in microscopic warfare. "Also your first point assumes that the Tyranids are better at assimilation" who is trying to infect who again? Are you implying that Tyranids adaptabilty is weaker than Sentients, who managed to build resistance against the (so called incurable) virus? To me Tyranids represent the peak of what mother nature can do through targetted evolution (Darwinism power 100), without the need of centuries of trial and error, as they do it not randomly but selectively. Terraforming machines being better than them at evolution (Sentients) doesn't make sense, but maybe it's just me? Going further into these assumption, that somehow made me dip into more information to further dissaprove. But it's just a debate about fiction so its whatever. Maybe I'm missing something as despite having 4k hours on Warframe, last time I touched it was 2 years ago.

[@Nemisisprimexi]

HUNTER these are new biological specimen they must be captured and studied - some Cephalon dude

[@vincentproud6589]

Warframe is so weird. Their tech is both vastly more advanced and vastly less advanced than a lot of other Sci-Fi settings. They're basically magical gods, but they REALLY took the whole "Never go faster than C" to heart. Also, it's a miracle that any of the planets are still there.

[@exosus7451]

Well there is a lore reason for it, there are higher tech shit and planet nuking weapons, is just the main villain for the longest time was the sentients and they are straight up immune to those weapons so they threw “archaic weapons” at them to deal damage and they just haven’t adapted yet to them. My head cannon is since they cant adapt to void damage and it does a soft reset on their adaptations all weapons the tenno use have a slight infusion of the void on them, via the tenno or how the weapon is made so that it can’t be adapted too. I would also like to add that archaic in this context is weapons that can do things like stop movement at the molecular level via hitting it wild a lazer so cold it just stops, or a weapon that upon hitting something in the head generates infinite bullets from nothing.

[@Tacoguy1000]

Might be that ib spite of thatz they are still stuck in one sar system woth no true way out. I know wha you mean by the technology, though. Warframe is weird in that place sometimes.

[@Rubyllim]

the orokin travelled faster than c for just a liiiitle bit by using the void, thats what the zariman is :3

[@xdredbruny2]

What does faster than c mean? Edit: c is math for light, I remember now

[@depressedphantom2552]

thres a lore reason for that. They had far more advanced weapons, stuff that could nuke planets, bullets that never missed, guns that hit you in the past, etc etc. But all of those required vast amounts of tech that the sentients could either hack, or adapt and become immune to. Anything smarter than a digital watch, the sentients can hack. so they had to downgrade to using normal bullets and lasers which stop molecular movement because those things can be made mostly analogue.

[@Miiabooish]

When you're a Tyranid hive fleet devouring Deimos and the biomass starts singing "P̸̡͓͙̦͒ͮͫ̓̽͘ A̷̡͉͌ͭ̅ͧͤ͞ Ŕ̙̂ͬ T͙̅ͮ̊̂̐̀ Y̶̧͚͇̗̙͉̊̾͛ O̠͋̈́͒͛̇͡͞ Fͦ Y̛̱ͫ͗͒͐̎̈́ O̵̧̰͍̜ͮ̑͝ U̝̲ͣ͟_R̙͂̔͆̈ͮ͡ L͛ͬ Ì͝ F̒ͪ͞ Ê̢̻̘̩̿̒͠ T̵̜̩̫͉̔̓̉ͅͅ Ī̞̀̃ͩ̆͢ M E̶̝̋"

[@Obs3ver]

Tyranids when the planet starts speaking boyband: “confused bug screams”

[@SmileyIsNice]

This got randomly recommended to me, but im interested

[@PenOfEvil]

I'm happy you're here!

[@11TwilightAlchemist]

What's really scary is that they both kind of do the same thing so it may be less of one beating the other and just the two hives merging into one

[@0blivionShadow]

yah know. its almost sad how a lot of people do not realize just how messed up the warframe lore is...

[@dark_star2497]

The main treat of the threat infested is that they are very hard to get rid of and will just pop up in random places rather than through combat prowess.

[@Retr0P4r4d0x]

Personal Theory: A tendril or two of the great devourer gets subsumed under the infestation, but with the knowledge it receives from its hosts it starts *purposely* adapting the technocyte into itself. Worse still, the infestation manages to infect the tyranids but the shadow in the warp is powerful enough psionically to assume command even of its technocyte infested army and begins to command the extreme mutation of whatever strains dare to infect its shells.

[@PenOfEvil]

@@Retr0P4r4d0x that's a genuinely interesting scenario if possible.

[@Han_Jie]

Honestly, Infestation vs Tyranids is almost no different than being Infestation x Tyranids as they just consume each other and become one hell of an abomination combo to deal with

[@ML7WL]

Not the turn I was expecting...I play warframe since 2014 and almost no warhammer aside from small videos, but we must be honest here: the infestation was almost wiped out before the awakening, Dr. Tengus was the one that probably caused current crisis (with exception of deimos, and eris wich is not clear when the planet was conquered by the virus), it struggles to take simple landmasses like Cetus, it had a hard time converting machine (still kinda has) before the mutalist strain. Yes, airborn infection is a big advantage but the technocyte who struggles to take few planets is too slow and smaller in numbers compared to the tyranids who are a galaxy threat despite facing opposition. And warframes by themselves are kinda confusing lorewise: It was stated that the tenno gives them void 'fuel', then that the heart of deimos pumping out void is what makes them tick...so if we are considering infestation, it should be pondered alone: without the void or the tenno, just feral warframer like the rhino prime lore. Tyranids can't handle inorganic stuff well, but they can create whole organic weapons.

[@samakiraroyjanssen6326]

And the earth sunken strain, which is Deimos strain. And- Tengus wasn’t responsible for the countless infested derelicts either, nor half of the grey strain. He made a few infested and allowed them to begin to invade other sectors than the dead sectors they already lived in.

[@wcalenielucekxd3337]

Deimos Sedna

[@Rat_Fบcker]

yeah but like they're fighting with Tenno

[@Felupi]

Warframe isn't grimdark, at least not completely, heroes still win in the end. Most factions fight with much less that they have at disposal, imagine satellite creating nullifiers bubbles into entire sections where tennos are fighting, the infestation is OP in lore but not so much in game.

[@izaak8056]

I'm a little confused about what you're talking about at the end there. The infestation does not rely on the tenno to fuel it, Warframes which are made of infested biomass rely on Tenno (most of the time) to pilot them. The infested has never had an issue taking over machines or non-organic materials. It started out exclusively infecting machinery as we can see with the techrot strain in the year 1999. Additionally, it has taken over planets with zero issues before. Earth was worse than Deimos before Saryn decided to eradicate the infested in a single fell blow with her tenno abilities. The only thing that is keeping the infested from infecting the entire origin system and beyond is the Tenno. That's why Cetus still exists despite the plague stars and the constant incursions from Oni

[@ThatIdiotJSev]

Technocyte would be like "oh sweet new network to absorb" as it basically immediately takes control of all 'nids

[@kinetic_krown]

Worst mic ever saved by the best editing

[@PenOfEvil]

Thank you! And damn I thought I had a good one😂

[@angelmatesmolan]

I know warhammer reaches to reality bending levels of power but warframe always pushed further. Gameplay wise the infestation is treated just as a regular enemy faction but lorewise it has to be one of the deadliest biological threats

[@CH3353N1NJ45]

It's all fun and games when the nids start spawning Nidus's. The hivemind gets a few new toys.

[@omegazero6082]

Please make more videos like this! Like the the Zerg vs the Technocyte!

[@PenOfEvil]

@@omegazero6082 oh I will for sure

[@killtu2]

I'd always argue in favor of the Tyranids and the Infestation having a draw rather than one winning over the other. The issue at play is the Tyranids capabilities of shifting and adjusting their biology to whatever threat starts proving to be a problem so long as the Norn Queens are not hit, which keep in mind that those same Norn Queens rarely if ever go onto the planet themselves and will always have several degrees of defenses both biological and physical to keep her safe from whatever threats out there. So, no, the Infestations wouldn't win. I would more think they'd prove problematic, but not a winnable faction against the Tyranids. The other issue is dealing with the Hive Mind of the Tyranids, which is far more complex and bigger than any human sentience based AI in the galaxy, because of how wide spread the Tyranids are, and how all of them share the same Hive Mind, thus requiring this intelligence to be so far advanced, that it can have instant communications with itself across millions of light years. Tyranids are just something that isn't a fun time. Even the 40K's factions, if they were to purely focus in on the Nids, wouldn't hold them back well, not without severe casualties, as the Nids specialize in warfare with sheer numbers. But that isn't to say the Infestation wouldn't be a problem however. As said, in your video, the Infestation has quite a long list of abilities, including messing with Machinery somehow. However, the issue is that the Tyranids are biologically complex, more so than the Infestation, by design. But the abilities of the Infestation itself gives it the ability to at least get a draw with the Tyranids, who'd always attempt to wipe the Infestation out, considering them less of prey, and more of Competition and attempt to wipe whatever they can, adjusting their Nids to be more anti spore, such as using flamethrower type biological weapons, using more psychic powers, etc. etc. The adaptations would just slowly make the nids more capable of dealing with the next set of Infestation. While whatever the Infestation takes over, they'll only get a small portion of how the Tyranids work, as each Nid type has a different role. If they get a Gaunt whether the Horma or the Terma, then you're looking at them knowing how to melee better or how to shoot their bioguns. If they got a Warrior, that knowledge will spread a bit more, but not as much as if they were to infect a Hive Tyrant, which is in of itself a very very difficult task thanks to the Psychic Powers. The final thing that I will make note of the Tyranids is their Shadow of the Warp ability. Assuming that the Void and the Warp are functionally the same, being essentially alternate realities parallel to the Material Universe, then the Shadow of the Warp would cut off any form of Void abilities just as much as Psychic ones, at least the ones that haven't been casted yet. For the Tenno for example, this would be outright bad if they hadn't figured out how to directly connect themselves. But the Infestation, as far as I know, don't quite have this issue as often, but they still make use of it in the form of transportation, which is cut off if the Nids are around. This is why I say a draw rather than a loss however. Because the Infestation don't have a lot of weaknesses, but big ones if their weaknesses are eventually discovered by the Hive Mind, while the Infestation will eventually learn how Tyranids learn and adapt to their enemies, and begin to prove a problem, but never know how to truly end their threat, for the Norn Queens will know by that point to never arrive on planet or connect to a planet with Infestation until it's been purged completely. So, at the end of the day, neither wins, and we still have to deal with essentially two forms of Space Aids. XD

[@phoenixrose1995]

you kill one eletisus enemy and all the little minoris enemies instantly die or spazz out. in Warframe, you kill 1 higher enemy and the little enemies still come to attack you. granted that's all i really know about Warhammer lol

[@Necroxion]

The Hive Mind works on a node system, killing the organism used as a node historically sent all receiving Tyranids back into animalistic states

[@pedrohenriquenunezcassiano4961]

One is space aids normalis, another is space aids mechanicus

[@Divine_general_raga]

I personally would consider the infestation more of a cancer than aids

[@samakiraroyjanssen6326]

Except one type can infect you from standing on bricks they were on millennia after. The other starves if not fed.

[@spoopyd.8910]

Oh no.... It infected a splinter. Ah well. Here's a billion more with a developed immunity.

[@jorndallermeaddrinker6968]

Nah you did it wrong you should have done Nurgle vs infested

[@PenOfEvil]

Lmao who is this nurgle guy

[@Robinator1103]

​@@PenOfEvil Nurgle is one of the 4 chaos gods in Warhammer. His domain is pestilence and rot. He rules over all the plagues and infections. He also is probably the "kindest" of the gods although his kindness is immortality through disease. He'd love discovering a new plague to play with and develop.

[@AbadabaForever]

Nurgle after taking one look at the Infestation: "Are you trying to put me out of business?"

[@VicentePT_]

Nice touch at 4:58 i'll give you that sir

[@PenOfEvil]

I'm very happy you noticed that lol

[@cedertrees2425]

That's pretty fair, it's just a fundamental difference of how they function. The infestation consumes everything, the organic, the inorganic, even the very ground on which you stand, and the ships you use to run away are all a potential host to the infestation. The infestation was the answer to the Sentient threat, machines who gained sentience from extra-dimensional travel, and even then the Orokin couldn't control the infested, only reign it in.

[@TheRagnus]

Do the Reapers vs the Sentients

[@PenOfEvil]

@@TheRagnus Are you talking about the Aeldari?

[@TheRagnus]

@@PenOfEvil No, I mean the Reapers of Mass Effect vs. The Sentients of Warframe

[@sheepersouls9898]

This is one more reasonable given this vs we all lose but they don't Sentients have a near limitless adaptation while the reapers I'm not so sure Gotta look into them further

[@theplaguedoctor794]

@@PenOfEvilWarframes vs necrons when?

[@jipowap]

OG storyline Reapers, or Mass Effect 3 Reapers? Former, you already lost. Latter? Maybe an argument.

[@MaxPwnzer]

We can't forget the most terrifying possibility in a conflict. Warframes without a pilot are mindless monstrosities that can go on a bloodthirsty rampage, as described in the Rhino Prime codex entry. They could definitely be thrown in on the infestation's side just for fun. Without that, Alad V managed to properly infest a Mesa, managing to control her without transference. Meaning it's definitely not impossible for it to happen again

[@wauchi1895]

A war is about to start in the comment section. And I am here to see it :)

[@PenOfEvil]

I know right 😂

[@Blackice_blade]

I just imagine a frost, sayrn, valkyr and volt looking at this and all facepalming before drawing weapons

[@Catzillator]

new lore… the infested hive mind can send a d receive signals across the time and multiverses… we are doomed

[@7upinthenite]

its over..

[@willklemp6900]

Here's a fun question: In Warhammer, the Necrons have those Beam weapons that excite the targets molecules so much that they break their covalent bonds, scattering the target like dust. Warframe has the Glaxion, which halts molecular movement entirely. What happens if the same target is shot by both weapons at once? Edit: also, the real question is: who wins between the flood and the infestation?

[@wanted_melon2348]

So basically, this fight is Teranids: "We will conquer you" Infestation: "You're going to conquer yourself?" Teranids: "Huh?........... fuck."

[@PenOfEvil]

@@wanted_melon2348 Bingo 😂😂

[@shiro_3196]

The infestation with Tyranids combined,feels like every unit is a freaking Prototype

[@chriscolon3389]

We can all agree that the Infested VS the Flood or the Flood VS the Tyranids....flood would have a field day

[@PenOfEvil]

@@chriscolon3389 don't tempt me

[@keanestewart4837]

i love halo but man are the flood are pathetic compared to both XD

[@Ydrakar]

@@keanestewart4837the flood are psychic corpse dust. They infect via a different vector than the technocyte or tyranids do. If all 3 met they’d fuse into something worse.

[@IntrusiveThoughts838]

@@keanestewart4837oh… oh you poor fool that is like all the others who underestimate how op the flood really is…

[@keanestewart4837]

@@IntrusiveThoughts838 had a response and accidently clicked off the tab and it deleted XD good day to you sir

[@Xxkirito0436xX]

The Tenno will watch the war between the Infestation and the Tyranids and say to themselves, "Well, another day at the office."

[@ryojimata3708]

I think your vastly underestimating the tyranids. Especially since the current fleets in 40k are considered "scout" fleets. That and our galaxy is currently surrounded in full by the tyranids.

[@echothefloof5438]

And the point was that their numbers don't matter. As long as a single Infested spore exists, an entire army can be reduced to nothing. The Infestation are effectively the Halo Flood, and they have a similar strength to them. They don't focus their attention on forces, they focus their attention on cells and spores so tiny, you'd be hard to pressed to see them at all without a microscope

[@ryojimata3708]

@@echothefloof5438 Tyranids do have that too. but not to that level.

[@PenOfEvil]

Strength and numbers don't matter in the grand scheme of things. To this virus, more matter just means more food. It's technological components make adaptation impossible for most things. Only one species are able to be immune without becoming infested themselves

[@TrueAnts1]

@@PenOfEvilso you’re saying that tyranids could become immune?

[@rezachoudhury823]

​@@TrueAnts1 The only example of immunity to the the technocyte virus we've seen is the infestation living in symbiosis with a host. Or by being blanketed by a Warframe's influence, which are infested bodies anyway. Except for those damn cats in Deimos which eat infested biomass but we don't really know if they're just infected and/or just have some other reason for appearing to left alone by the infested.

[@otsdarvafoxxfyre]

Nurgle hasn't been the same since this came out, his salty tears landing in his cauldron and diluting his concoctions

[@PENTAKOSZIOMEDIMNOSZ]

I'd probably still give it to the bugs since they can fight a faction with plagues that are spread by emotions, affect souls, and can literally infect the mountains themselves to standstills. Nurgle is the literal epitome of "random bullshit go" when it comes to plagues, and the Nids still manage to keep up with his dudes.

[@edwardhealey591]

Hive Fleet Gorgon nearly made itself extinct fucking around with death guard.

[@bafflebag1]

He didn't really go into detail about how the Tyranids use biomass. The Tyranids that consume biomass essentially become vessels to move the biomass into the spawning acids pits. The acid pits are capable of breaking any biomass down into its genetic components, which the Tyranids will throw themselves into. In that way, the Infestation would just become a part of the Tyranids biology. The way the Infestation works is similar to how some of Nurgle's creations work. They would really just combine. The idea that the Infestation would somehow be able to control the creature that controls the Tyranid hive mind is baseless. Even with the limited descriptions of the thing that controls the Tyranids, we already know that it is far beyond anything known.

[@Watermeloncat575]

Warframe soloing every single universe out there like taking candy from child

[@miraqen7801]

It's just far too advanced by this point. Like quadrillions of years of evolution advanced. I could be fractally wrong, though.

[@purgeutopia8696]

Best way to consider the Technocyte infection is a nanomachine grey goo scenerio. Where self replicating nanomachines do nothing but devour all material organic or inorganic around them to self replicate forever till no more usable material exists.

[@matheusmoreiradeoliveira7395]

I think you underestimated the pawer of the tyranids hive mind, the shadow in the warp is just a side effect of it's presence. Fill character have been able to look into it and ( as fare as I'm aware) only 2 survived, Tigurius and a eldar that i don't remember the name, the former is the strongest space marine psycher and the hive mind was incomprehensible large and ancient to him, the latter sad the tendrils of the hive mind dwarfs galaxies and obfuscate the Chaos Gods. I 100% agree the first few hive fleet would be screwed but if the quotes from characters are true, the hive mind could just delete a part of the universe with pure psychic mighty if it's feels the infection truly threatened it existence

[@samakiraroyjanssen6326]

And infested infect alternate planes of mathematics as individual infested entities.

[@matheusmoreiradeoliveira7395]

@samakiraroyjanssen6326 My argument is more about scale than abilities, but massing the fabric of reality is what any high-level psycher can do, and apparently, a psycher don't even need to be that strong to bring back reality to its original rules

[@samakiraroyjanssen6326]

@@matheusmoreiradeoliveira7395 so a 'high-level psycher' can do what a singular infested charger can? or, to be more precise, the tyranids can, individually, access alternate realities?

[@bulshok]

i dont think the man in the wall would take that lightly

[@NInjaLoin1]

The Man in the Wall is small compared to the tyranid hive mind. It is implied that the hive mind has reached a size where it itself could be considered a god. It literally blocks out a different dimension (the warp) as a passive side effect of its immense size. The warp is very similar to the void, though the warp has more active control over real space than the void does.

[@Great-Dao-of-Elegance]

You had me at them beating reality warpers and them not needing biomass.

[@PenOfEvil]

They do be op

[@needless_hate3189]

Cephlons are expressly not artifical intelligence. Technically, the orokin found the infestation in an outer colony, and never created it, and only entrati domesticated it, loosely

[@exclam8ion]

Unfortunately, no, the Orokin created the Infestation before the Old War, and rebooted it when the Old War began to combat the Sentients, which as we know did not go well, and the Entrati did not domesticate the Infested on Deimos, as it was part of a “biobomb” that was planted on the moon as a defense against the Sentients. The Entrati used specialized treatments to keep their consciousness intact which is why they are friendly to us.

[@thegrouchization]

@@exclam8ion Citation needed on the Orokin *creating* the infestation. I've been looking for anything that confirms it for the past few years, but I've only been able to find ambiguous statements.

[@futureelement924]

​@@thegrouchizationBallas created the infestation after he created the sentients. The infestation was supposed to be a counter to the sentients because they created the sentients to be thinking machines thay can adapt to almost anything. So instead of creating a machine they thought creating a disease or plague like creatures would be a counter for it yet they also created something they couldn't fully control. From that they were able to create warframes with a certain strand of infestation that weren't as potent and cut off from the main Infested hive so it wouldn't go out of control. They were still too late to stop the main problem they created though so the infested lingered on and got stronger over time. The orokin did create all if this but Ballas was the one who actually did it first before he tought his orokin brethren to use it too. Literally the entire warframe timelines problems were created by him.

[@thegrouchization]

@@futureelement924 I asked for a source, not a headcanon. Assuming that you're referring to Ballas' Vitruvian logs for that first bit, all they say is that the Orokin _cultured_ the infestation, not that they created it. And given that Ballas mentions "infested madness" in the context of something they had experienced before and were aiming to avoid, it's pretty clear that the Orokin had encountered the infestation before the Warframe project.

[@Osmo-7777]

​@@futureelement924 and were so glad to have finally off him

[@axlkhan152]

It's like the tyranids fighting a zombie virus that has no cure and one they cannot adapt either.