The information war on Israel-Palestine: a conversation with Lucas Febraro and Mehran Khalili

In this interview Mehran Khalili talks with Lucas Febraro, DiEM25 Communications Director, about the situation in the Middle east and the information war that's running in parallel with it.
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[@mariaa6918]

Great talk . I think the Israelis have become totally lost in their own arrogance and impunity . They are out of control. This assault of Gaza meeds to stop. RIGHT NOW. Love to all Palestinians ❤

[@RM3MB3R]

They were even talking about misinformation, and people STILL don’t get it.

[@r2b279]

Our German media is very one-sided. It's sad to see.

[@bannersxyz]

Free the voice of Palestine. ....... Stop the censorship and atrocities against them.

[@RM3MB3R]

Wrong victims.

[@stephencaudill2422]

If it wasn't for social media we'd be getting 'facts' from CNN, Fox, and MSNBC. Thanks for real facts!

[@georgka74]

hahaha...

[@jeanettelowe6672]

So great to hear a voice that echoes my thoughts 100%. Israel will eventually stand alone.

[@4spikers]

Yes, I feel the same and fully agree!

[@edwardlarkin4279]

This is great. Im 84, fortunately healthy so im protesting with the college age wonderful young people. Very few, like maybe one or two older people are out there. It makes me wish i was back in the big city of Chicago to be with more people who are outraged and are active. My family are college educated " for a job" but dont read and watch totally mainstream bs.

[@the_famous_reply_guy]

Well done brother, we have to wake everyone up, earth is run by lunatics!

[@meganbaker9116]

Here in Austin there are plenty of people over 50 coming out to support Palestine. I think there are more than the media wants to admit.

[@CaptPeon]

I'm glad you're still kicking and are engaged! Keep on keeping on and keep on fighting the good fight! ✊🏽

[@petermcculloch4933]

I am a sixty eight year old, retired, white, non religious male and I march (this weekend was my sixth) in the Melbourne, Australia "stop supporting the slaughter" protests

[@MA-sk4fg]

@@the_famous_reply_guynot only lunatics but pure EVIL.

[@lovelyb2416]

How can human be so cruel. I truly can’t believe this is happening!!

[@4spikers]

This was an awesome discussion!... Thank you both so much!....Free Palestine!!!

[@mehdihassanloo9838]

Very informative, thank you both

[@goldenhourg]

Fantastic discussion thanks for sharing!

[@anamulrahman543]

❤❤❤FREE PALESTINE ❤❤❤🇵🇸

[@ihanaa9803]

Very good analysis.

[@edwardlarkin4279]

Thankyou so much for this very interesting discussion wih Lucas.

[@MundaSquire]

Correction: war in Ukraine started in 2014, not 2022. Some could make a case for 2008, 2004, or maybe even 1991. It's a US project. The present events in Gaza are not a war. It's a genocide, asymmetrical in terms of power, one party being occupied. It's important to get facts straight and to use language correctly.

[@carreromartialarts]

This kid is clueless about the Ukraine situation

[@plaaskop]

'Awareness' is key here. With awareness comes change.

[@PeppermintPatties]

Yes. The first detailed awareness I got about the occupation of the Palestinians after 07/10/23 was from Dr. Gabor Maté, who is a Holocaust survivor, and not a fan of Zionism. His personal history is fascinating and instructive. He advises that all the evidence of what's true about the history and context of this conflict is out there if we are willing to look. Since then, I have looked for everything I can bear to witness. Some of it has made me cry and stay awake at night. Evidence is everywhere, thanks to the internet and scholars. Once I looked at the facts from multiple, credible voices, I could only come to one conclusion, but understand why others have their views that differ from mine. Unfortunately, the ignorance, cognitive dissonance and agendas of others I find deafening and devastating, but I wish for peace for everyone everywhere, and believe it will evolve, though it will take time. X

[@thedragonflygate4587]

Social media does facilitate the protests. But people are now seeing how little governments are considering their will even when they protest. Revolution is on the cards should this situation persist, as people feel more and more alienated from politicians.

[@piccadilly171]

I remember when the U.K. government scrapped the Poll Tax just by the size of the protests in various cities across the U.K. Although there was some rioting, eventually the Poll Tax was abolished just by the large numbers protesting.

[@thedragonflygate4587]

Protests can work to some extent, but they also point out that the people have too little say in how their governments operate and it is still up to the government whether of not to take notice of them--it makes people feel powerless if all they can do is protest to authorities that can ignore them or not. The bottom line is that our systems do not work and that democracy is more or less an illusion.@@piccadilly171

[@the_grand_tourer]

@@piccadilly171 The one time we emulated the French ... to be accurate poll tax was imposed on Scotland first, Westminster using the furthest region as a petri dish, seeding the modern movement for Scottish independence. Also lets us not forget the million people who marched against Blair's lap dog war with the USA against fake WMD. Social media if used properly does a useful job of exposing political hypocrisy, I have zero doubt UK politicians on both sides of the isle would have had so much pressure without people educating themselves from direct sources.

[@cherrycupcake6327]

Interesting insight ❤

[@nyceone45]

Nice to see you here Lucas I guess you have been shadow banned on TT . Seeing less of your content now. Thanks for your voice! ♥️👏👏

[@nedkelly8495]

Very interesting & informative discussion. Sending greetings of solidarity to Palestine & to u both, from newzealand Aotearoa.

[@massinissaamazigh1ertamurt336]

Thank you Lucas and Mehran it was very interesting

[@barbarawaldern1794]

thanks for this discussion. Re response to war in Ukraine, I want to intervene. If the attacks on ethnic Russian and Russian speakers by Ukraine's military and the distinct fascist forces it supports had been exposed before the Russian invasion, there would have been a bigger global mass response. The news about this civil war was greatly suppressed, including the fact that citizens' militias had formed and were fighting to defend themselves. They launched independence movements and established self-rule over claimed areas (Donesk, etc.), which were partly revolutionary socialist. That's why the coup was organized. That's why Ukraine has not been able to be accepted into NATO. Knowledge of these facts would have incited more global mass support. Media never framed the situation as such. Communications interference, low access to social media, I think. Other misleading or omitted info: Wagner forces lead these militias, indicating that Russia was letting the regional people fight for themselves. Also, the appeals for support from Russia on the part of the victims in Eastern Ukraine and Russia's reluctance to step in were censored. Of course, framing of the Ukraine and fascist forces as victims and the PR giving overwhelming support for NATO and its claims that it was necessary for NATO forces to support Ukraine mislead the public.

[@Lyra0966]

What's most interesting and more disturbing about mainstream media coverage of international affairs is the way in which subtle and insidious propaganda is secreted in to content far in advance of each imperial or NATO war or military intervention. I began to notice an increasing number of negative news reports and social media clips regarding China at least 3 years ago. There was the Covid Wuhan lab leak, the Rohingya 'ethnic cleansing', the Africa debt trap, the alleged hostile military manoeuvres, the unfair trade practices and, inevitably, the suggestion that President Xi is a dictator. All of these negative messages are undoubtedly an attempt by Western Powers to prepare the public ground for NATO's next major war, the war against China.

[@Naruto-db8yg]

Is there a good video to explain this context? Usually, we only hear one side. Thanks.

[@ellengran6814]

​@@Naruto-db8yg The movie "Ukraine on fire" by Oliver Stone.

[@rohsnaoks1587]

I am Ukrainian, my native language is Russian, all my family speaks Russian, and all the cities I've lived in were Russian speaking and had large ethnic Russian representation. In fact, majority of Ukrainians speak Russian as their first language and a lot of Ukrainians are either ethnically Russian or have one parent who's Russian

[@theoxari]

Well said! Spot on as they say!

[@MrBrownstick]

So sad this is happening front our eys and we can't do anything about it.

[@flavianomadink]

Yes we can, by voting on local and state representatives that are aligned with peace. Enough with wars.

[@Dr.Ahmed.Tah81]

Comrades, until 10th of October I was getting news from twitter and KZbin and I got sick and depressed until started using TikTok and found humanity, also I was radicalized from libertarian to Marxist watching the genocide in progress, everything became clear, solidarity ✊🏻from Egypt 🇪🇬 I am following Lucas on TikTok, I hope other Diem25 members be active there especially Erik the Greek 🙏🏻☮️

[@georgka74]

tiktok idiots are dangerous

[@arthurcainii]

From libertarian to Marxist? You're either ESL or truly lost

[@mariaa6918]

Excellent....

[@billappledorf]

About Ukraine: U.S.-backed Banderite Nazis coopted the 2013-2014 Maidan protests (which were organized similarly to the U.S.-instigated 2004 Maidan color revolution that prevented Viktor Yanukovych from assuming the presidency of Ukraine the first time he won it, in 2004) and violently drove Viktor Yanukovych, who had won the presidency a second time in 2010, out of Ukraine on Feb. 21, 2014. Banderite Nazis hated Yanukovych because he had signed Ukraine's 2012 regional languages law, which granted official status to any minority language in Ukraine -- including Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Polish, Slovak, Czech, Russian, and several others -- spoken in any oblast by 10% of its population. The first official act of the coup government, one day after it appropriated power on Feb. 22, 2014, was to repeal the regional languages law. The U.S. hated Yanukovych because he had submitted to and signed a law passed in 2010 by Ukraine's rada reestablishing Ukrainian geopolitical neutrality. Ukraine was neutral from its independence from the USSR in 1991 until Viktor Yushchenko, the U.S.-backed politician who defeated Yanukovych in the illegal second-round presidential election brought about by the 2004 Orange Revolution, reversed Ukraine's official "non-bloc" stance on NATO in April 2005. The 2014 Maidan coup government repealed Ukraine's 2010 law codifying its neutrality in Dec., 2014. Protests against the 2014 fanatically-Russophobic coup government erupted in the Donbas, where the mother tongue of 80% of the population was Russian, and other primarily ethnically Russian areas. These protests were violently attacked by Banderite Nazis, culminating in the massacre of almost 50 Russian-speaking protesters on May 2, 2014, in Odessa when they took refuge in a government building that was then set alight with Molotov cocktails. By the summer of 2014, the Banderite Nazi Kiev government was attacking Donbas cities with artillery, killing more than 14,000 mostly civilian ethnic-Russian Ukrainians by Feb. 24, 2022. In Sept, 2014, Russia, Ukraine, France, and Germany negotiated the Minsk 1 agreement in Minsk, Belarus, and in March, 2015, the same parties negotiated the Minsk 2 agreement. The terms of these agreements preserved the territorial integrity of Ukraine, respected minority language rights, conferred a degree of political autonomy on the Donbas, and ended the bloodshed. However, Kiev did not implement these agreements, and its war on Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the Donbas continued. In 2022 and 2023, Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande, and Petro Poroshenko, all of whom negotiated the Minsk agreements -- for Germany, France, and Ukraine respectively -- have stated publicly that Ukraine had no intention of implementing these agreements and used them to buy time to arm further and escalate the U.S. proxy war on Russia in Ukraine. In 2019, Zelenskyy was elected in a landslide on the promise to implement the Minsk agreements. Banderite Nazis, the U.S., and U.K. insisted he fight on, which he did. In Dec. 2021, Russia sent a draft treaty proposing implementing Minsk as well as addressing European security architecture as a whole to Washington and Brussels. Russia's proposals were ignored. In March, 2022, weeks after Russia sent a force into Ukraine which by its small size was obviously intended to force Kiev to the negotiating table, Kiev and Russia negotiated an end to the violence in the Donbas in Istanbul. As a good will gesture, Russia withdrew from Kiev. The U.S. interpreted this withdrawal as weakness, forbade Kiev from agreeing to a ceasefire, and promised Kiev unlimited money and weapons to continue fighting. This has been confirmed by former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and former Prime Minister of Israel Naftali Bennett, both of whom helped mediate these talks. Diem 25 condemns Russia for defending the lives of ethic-Russian Ukrainians attacked for eight years by viciously Russophobic U.S. proxies, after repeated efforts by Russia to negotiate a peaceful end to U.S. and Banderite aggression in Donbas, as illegal Russian aggression. I suggest that Yanis go sit under a rain of artillery shells fired at a civilian population by Nazi fanatics armed by the U.S. for eight years, then come back and tell us who is aggressing against whom, not to mention that the U.S. has been using Ukraine as a proxy for decades to further its imperial aim of defeating Russia strategically, cantonizing Russia, and plundering Russia's resources.

[@ebflegg]

Yes the March 2022 peace agreement and its scuttling by Johnson has now been admitted by a top official in Ukraine

[@mariettestabel275]

The World Needs ' NORMAL ' Leaders.

[@BR-KK]

Leaders that don’t hide in Qatar.

[@mariettestabel275]

​​@@BR-KK Right!.💯.

[@brianwheeldon4643]

Thanks guys

[@bannersxyz]

They also use the "A"word to label anything pro Palestine

[@RichardLewisCaldwell]

17:50 I agree. When one's group has internalized ethnic cleansing as "Perfect and ordained by God" to the point that every real human (Jews) who isn't "self-hating" agrees that "Mowing the lawn" is all about peace and safety, not oppression and murder, one tends to have difficulty discussing ethical stuff with sub-humans (now-older Christians). But when those sub-humans gobble down the literal shit with gusto, why bother putting in any effort?

[@karate4348]

Sub human....hmmm Humans deemed by ?on top? Belief in that is THE problem.

[@zoyailpatel3608]

A great informative insightful conversation gentlemen,❤❤❤South Africa

[@mpatm2607]

People need to vote in younger, kinder and smarter leaders.

[@massinissaamazigh1ertamurt336]

As french, its the same thing here…the mainstream medias is disgusting about whats going on in Palestine even ouf government they are biased

[@mahmoudelkholy8719]

Spot on !

[@sorro9384]

Thanks alot !

[@drthomason7043]

I am watching most of my info on Google and utube I am being. fed a balance of videos from both sides, which I appreciate

[@sk8erbyern]

good one

[@delfimoliveira8883]

And we must take advantage of our talents in the area of information warfare. I suggest Mr David Silva, who with his refined troll technique, managed to close the Portuguese channel on Telegram, thus silencing all those who did not agree with his pro-Azov positions. Without a doubt a talent not to be wasted. And he's surely available, last time I heard from him he was a member of the Lisbon colective leadership

[@Lenny2Lux]

Great video - nice haircut.

[@NSGca]

I talk about politics all the time, being in my 50's I refuse to watch msm/cable news or trust 90% of the politicians especially in the USA where I live. No matter what party most pols are bought and paid for. I was hoping you guys would offer something new and refreshing. Will see.

[@kaisersozay99]

Thanks

[@rajeshpaleth4400]

Russia's intervention had more legal standing (protection of civilians against openly threatened genocide) than almost any other war since WW2, framed around lies, whether incubator babies or WMD or viagra fueled armies. And any intervention into Gaza (to prevent openly threatened genocide) would have the same legal standing. So, given the fact that international law is not applicable to a set of nations (NATO) de facto, why doesn't everyone shut up about Russia's war being "illegal" ? International law cannot exist only for some nations.

[@LACYJEN1999]

Media matters. People rely on it too much as source of power and it is not. Strikes are powerful. Blocking entrances to institutions are powerful

[@kaisersozay99]

Grear points

[@gabrielcaleb9277]

You helped me change my view on TT

[@kaisersozay99]

Great hair care routine there ;)

[@selfop]

🙏🏿

[@leosteven6951]

Pure nd honest intentions dont need propogand tools your works will talk

[@rolandboerhof9391]

Great guest, but as someone apparently uninformed about the Ukraine war, he better stay out of that subject.

[@ebflegg]

Awful isn't it

[@rolandboerhof9391]

@@ebflegg Yes. History never repeats itself.

[@laserbrain7774]

Antisamitic isn’t even an insult anymore. It’s like being called racist or socialist, not an insult.

[@AerialDP]

I think racist is an insult

[@maureenchrusch1411]

👏🏿

[@mariettestabel275]

A Diem25 Channel with WhatsApp. POSSIBLE??

[@noonnaz]

Humanity at risk

[@selfop]

Which book is that? Looks interesting.

[@xrawna5189]

The rational for the imperialist uniting in their stance on supporting the genocide in Palestine is that “They can not allow the masses locally & of the world to be inspired (& united) by the Palestinian spirit”. “Erase the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth” statement by Nissan Faturi - Zuewes Izhelly MP (not reported by western media or governments).

[@LACYJEN1999]

The conditions of work improved only in the 30' s with Strikes strikes strikes....Cause corporations to lose money and see instant changes

[@inkipinki8468]

I would but I can’t physically do I do it online.

[@AlexDrastico380]

I think your channel might have been shadow-banned as it doesn't appear anymore in my feed as it used to.

[@noonnaz]

Shame on the world

[@maurarodrigues1348]

Eu penso que a Alemanha,tem um trauma,com a 2guerra , triste

[@kaisersozay99]

And great beard trimmer

[@hannelorestettner6965]

1

[@ABB56.]

I don’t think Israel understands what is about to happen economically to them. Once they’re charged in The Hague western governments will have no choice but to distance itself. Nations will stop trade with them. It will be very expensive to be an Israeli

[@giawou6615]

write on youtube they will give your warning and block you the next day too

[@georgka74]

humus?

[@LACYJEN1999]

MSNBC Obssessed with Trump, ignore genocide and reasons for rejection of genocide Joe

[@toneforex7]

You can beat Israel with the Bible. It’s so easy to prove they’re not Israelites, which means they have no claim to that land.

[@mariettestabel275]

It's about 💰 also

[@toneforex7]

Money or wealth is attributed to power. Their power is weaponry. That’s a gift, but it’s not The Gift which they claim they have.

[@SomethingImpromptu]

Overall very good talk… But I have to admit, I was kind of stunned to hear Mehran Khalili, on DieM25’s channel, seemingly defending Elon Musk & making it sound as if he believes Musk’s strictly rhetorical, propagandistic suggestions that he is some kind of “free speech absolutist.” That really betrays a poorly informed perspective on the subject. First, on the claim that he is a “free speech absolutist” or takes free speech seriously at all- even throughout the period where he was buying Twitter, where he was making the major changes that he did, to anyone who was paying close attention, it’s really blatantly in-your-face clear that the thrust of his actions was PROFOUNDLY anti-free speech. Far beyond anything that happened under the previous ownership (not defending Jack Dorsey or whoever; I’m an anti-capitalist- I don’t think any billionaire ought to control these platforms, however), the bulk of what you had back then was far-right cranks & lunatics violating Terms of Service by doing targeted harassment of black/gay/trans people & other minorities, or hurling racial slurs & other hate speech at people, or making actual threats of violence, & then getting banned for violating TOS (which is the same for everyone- most people just aren’t that bigoted & have more restraint), & then they would whine about how actually this was censorship, targeted at the right, & how this violates their freedom of speech (even though these same right-wingers are the very people who have spent the better part of the last 100 years arguing that private enterprises are sovereign, that capitalists ought to have 100% control over every policy from who is hired to who is fired- that capitalists should even be able to flatly *deny service* to black people, or gay people, etc., if they don’t want to serve them… But as soon as a capitalist makes TOS that don’t allow them to be belligerent, nasty, hateful creeps who ruin the social media experience for everyone who doesn’t look exactly like them, now it’s violation of free speech; now suddenly there is ONE kind of private enterprise that should actually be turned into a public utility, just because they think they if it was one, they could go on harassing & threatening & spamming slurs at all the demographics of people they hate)… That was the nature of the “anti-free speech” policies under the Dorsey ownership of Twitter that these people actually take issue with. I don’t doubt that there were some actual issues (show me the big social media corporation who doesn’t have them), but the idea that we on the left would buy into this narrative that, before Musk took over, Twitter was super repressive, & that’s changed now, is absurd; it’s literally just buying a narrative propagated by far-right psychos/sickos who were angry that they got banned more often than anyone else. Secondly, as I alluded to before, since Musk took over, he’s made the platform all but unusable. He actually made so many attacks on free speech over the weeks that I can’t possibly give you a complete list, but I’m sure you can find extensive timelines of his changes. However here are some major highlights. 1. First, he unbanned everyone. Every Nazi who had ever been banned for threatening to kill some innocent Jewish or Muslim or black person. Every creep who has ever been banned for cyberstalking & sexual harassment. Everyone who violated any of the grave, & very legitimate TOS was welcomed back to the platform all at once, only now under Elon Musk’s ownership- a guy who routinely pals around with literal Nazi & other far-right accounts, boosts them, retweets their posts… A guy who has no interest in actually upholding the policies they violate anymore (but who literally has said that “woke mind virus” is THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMANITY, propagates far-right conspiracy theories, & absolutely persecutes left-wing accounts more than at any previous moment in the platform’s history). So now the site is crawling with reactionary accounts & grievous TOS offenders, spam accounts, etc…. and then he either fired, or his incompetence & malevolence induced to quit, most of the technical staff of the platform so that it immediately started falling into disrepair & having absurd problems that he was or able to fix in a timely manner. And because of later changes, these disproportionate far-right accounts started getting boosted to everyone, such that the site became more oriented towards radicalizing young people to the far-right who usually wouldn’t seek out their content, normalizing their repulsive ideas as just the standard of what populates people’s feeds, than any other purpose. 2. There was the whole debacle where Musk decided to eliminate the one mechanism by which well-known public figures could actually reliably get their accounts verified, so that now any random person could make an account claiming to be Yanis Varoufakis, or the White House, or Noam Chomsky, or Bill Gates, or whoever (except that even though they lied about it, they did start banning fake Elon Musk accounts, because he’s a pathological liar & hypocrite). But I’ll leave that there, because it’s a whole other subject (suffice it to say, he tried to instead make “Twitter Blue,” where you’d have to PAY for a Twitter account to avoid being essentially shadow-banned- deprioritized so that your tweets are hidden behind tens of thousands of others, as if you didn’t even have an account). 3. Then, he took it a step further. He actually SYSTEMATIZED & MONETIZED shadow-banning in a way we’ve never seen anywhere else- made it so his (disproportionately far-right/ruling class) paying stans could actually weaponize shadow-banning. He literally made it so that, if a paying account mutes or blocks you, rather than simply *personally muting or blocking you*, the way those features have always been intended to work, instead, as if it was a feature you were paying for, that paying user’s mutes & blocks would count against a kind of Chinese-style “social credit score,” & the lower your social (media) credit score falls, the more your Tweets will be deprioritized & hidden from ALL users, site-wide, whether they follow you or not. Which means, if a bunch of far-right Elon Musk stans want to shut you up, all they have to do is brigade you with mutes/blocks. If they all mute/block someone, that person will effectively be totally shadow-banned. Which means, now it’s extremely dangerous to your Twitter presence to even post critical replies on a right-wing figure’s tweet, effectively shielding them from all criticism (which is a MASSIVE systematic violation & distortion of free speech far beyond anything that happened on Twitter before, or any social media I’m aware of). If Jordan Peterson, or Ben Shapiro, or PragerU, or Elon Musk himself, posts some incredibly dumb, reactionary, hateful content, & you make some reply where you completely rebut their propaganda lie, all their paying supporters have to do is mute/block the replies they don’t like, & you’re gone. No longer part of that or any conversation, except maybe with some small accounts no one will see, where by virtue of being one of 3 comments, they might actually see you. And therein lies the insidious nature of this weaponization of shadow-bans… Because, by virtue of being tied into the block/mute function automatically, it operates at multiple levels. You’ll always have some bad actors who weaponize it intentionally- who just block/mute any account that posts left-wing content or adequately critiques their favorite propagandists’ positions, because they know that will cumulatively eliminate them from the platform…

[@SomethingImpromptu]

Certainly it gives a perverse incentive for power-desperate bad actors who don’t have any power in real life to pay for Twitter Blue just so they can feel like they’re silencing their opposition (which clearly disproportionately appeals to fascist mentality, the same fascists who Musk openly supports)… But then, because it’s automatically tied to block/mute functions, there will also be all the right-wingers who don’t necessarily even KNOW that they’re participating in a mass shadow-ban social credit system, who simply will block/mute left-wing accounts when they see them, just because they personally don’t want to see them, or out of spite when they can’t rationally work out a better argument… And I don’t blame anyone for muting accounts they don’t personally want to see- but Musk has personally made it so that whenever they do, it will contribute to a site-wide silencing of that account. This is not free speech. And I don’t think it’s a stretch to infer that the people who will tend to pay for Twitter under Musk’s ownership- to pay the equivalent of another Netflix subscription per month, just for special treatment on a site as niche as Twitter/X, will disproportionately tend to be wealthy people (for whom the money is irrelevant), the reactionaries who Musk is reorienting the site around privileging, & fans of Musk (& if you’re a fan of Musk at this point, you’re not only a BILLIONAIRE FAN, but specifically a fan of one of the furthest right billionaires in American public life, so all these categories lean towards the right). Whereas how many poor/working class people, how many leftists who despise Musk & don’t want to give him a penny, & who know that the site is now designed to silence & marginalize them, will be paying?.. Not enough to even come close to offsetting the right-wing force that is silencing the left there. And that’s exactly the game Musk wants people to play- “Well maybe if we just all start paying him monthly too then we’ll get back our voice on the platform…” (a) No, you won’t- he’s made about as clear as possible that no matter what we might do, he will change policy & TOS to ensure we stay marginalized. And (b) what kind of praxis would it be to reward this reactionary billionaire for silencing us by PAYING HIM to momentarily unsilence us? Thankfully, not many are falling into this silly thought process, & musk is hemorrhaging money at a remarkable rate… If only the US government would stop giving him billions of our tax dollars in subsidies, contracts, & bailouts every time one of his shitty companies fails, he might be a minor figure soon, but for whatever reason (I’d guess that either he is cooperative with intelligence agencies, or he is paving the way for a transition to fascism that is being orchestrated at a far higher level, or both), he’s still being treated as if he was indispensable, too big to fail, as if he MUST be held up as the pinnacle of capitalist innovation & business acumen at all costs. It’s absurd. I could keep going on about the changes he made. I mean, the guy literally unbanned a popular far-right conspiracy account after it posted illicit child sexual abuse materials, & then had one of the other executives say TO CONGRESS that the ownership of X now believes that if those videos are being posted out of outrage (such as reactionaries saying “The Democrats love this! Ew!”) then they DON’T think that that account should be banned for it, or that the videos/images should even be taken down… That’s right… They literally took a stand on the idea that there should be an exception where it’s okay & not TOS to post child porn… The possession of which (let alone distribution) is a huge felony. So insane- under their own rationale, all the absolute monsters who want that material would have to do to post that stuff with impugnity is to pretend they’re outraged, that they actually don’t like it. Elon Musk & his co-major-shareholders literally would’ve opened up an entire illicit trade of child porn on X if Congress hadn’t said “Uhh no. That’s a crime. We don’t care why they say they’re sharing it. Are you out of your mind?” And then there was the whole fiasco where Musk started banning liberal/progressive journalists who were critical of him- literally trying to exercise editorial control of, not just their tweets or Twitter profiles, but literally the content posted in their articles, on separate news websites, if they linked to them on Twitter… If that’s not PROFOUNDLY anti-free speech idk what is. But I think you should get the point based on these examples. Twitter has become far more selectively targeting of political persecution than they ever did in the past, far more anti-free speech… The fact that in his PR he presents himself as a free speech warrior shouldn’t be persuasive to anyone, especially on the left, who has followed him for any length of time. And he has also become more explicitly, openly far-right than ever… Khalili even mentioned one Tweet that Musk made… He said that it was a Tweet which “could be construed as anti-Semitic…” That’s a WEIRDLY defensive way of framing this… This was NOT some case of criticizing the state of Israel, & getting accused of anti-Semitism disingenuously. This wasn’t ambiguous in the slightest… One of the far-right, Nazi/Nazi-adjacent account Musk interacts with literally was saying that “the Jews” (generalizing about the whole ethno-religious demographic the way Nazis do) promote anti-white hatred. For those who aren’t familiar, this is a central aspect of a number of far-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theories (the original Nazi “Jewish Question,” the “White Genocide/Great Replacement” conspiracy theories promoted by Tucker Carlson & Candace Owens & other reactionaries who have been cited in white supremacist terrorists’ manifestos for motivating them to massacre synagogues & mosques)… And Elon Musk’s reply was something like “You have said the actual truth.” He was just openly endorsing Nazi/far-right/white supremacist anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about how the Jews are some kind of cabal who are secretly conspiring to make people have white people in order to take over America… And it’s not even ambiguous based on where it came from- these are anti-Semitic far-right accounts (many of whom are either indifferent to or supportive of Israel, because they share the same ethnonationalist ideology & the goal of getting all the Jewish people to leave America & Europe & so on, so there isn’t even any argument that maybe their intentions were just to criticize Israel, but then they slipped & fell into anti-Semitic-sounding language- no, they just hate Jewish people & believe the conspiracy theories the far-right uses to rationalize killing or displacing them, which is just as bad as when their ethnonationalist counterparts in Israel use the same kinds of racist ideas & conspiratorial accusations to rationalize apartheid & genocide of Arabs- it’s the same phenomenon). Literally the same exact narrative as “cultural Bolshevism/Judeo-Bolshevism” & the Jewish question in Nazi Germany, when they were stoking fears that “the Jews” (always treating like some monolithic hivemind) were conspiring with Soviet communists to infiltrate Germany & destroy its culture from the inside, which is how they rationalized the Holocaust, how they tried to tie the Jewish people to the burning of the Reichstag…

[@SomethingImpromptu]

I have no idea what Khalili’s general ideology is like, I have no idea what he believes about most things (I’m not familiar with him outside of this interview), so I’m not trying to accuse him of anything. But I would just suggest to him that, in this moment when the reactionary, pro-apartheid, pro-genocide forces who defend Israel are doing everything they can to try to conflate criticism of Israel’s apartheid/genocide/etc. with anti-Semitism, it’s extremely important that we on the left make the distinction very clear & unambiguous. Because it really is not complicated. So when Elon Musk (a fascist billionaire who pals around with Nazis & still has shown support of the apartheid state in Israel) says that it’s true that “the Jews” spread hatred of white people, clearly appealing to & endorsing far-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, that’s not just “a tweet that could be construed as anti-Semitism.” That’s clearly anti-Semitic. Whereas Tweets criticizing the policies & oppressive structure of the state of Israel are not anti-Semitic, because they aren’t saying anything whatsoever about the Jewish people, let alone anything bigoted or generalized. And we shouldn’t let this POS hide behind his PR claims to be a “free speech absolutist” or act like because he says he is one, that must mean that things would’ve gotten better under his ownership. PR is kayfabe. It’s theater. It’s manipulation of the audience’s perception- a way that corporations & capitalists & states deceive us into seeing things the way they want us to see them, rather than as they really are. I hope I’ve made the case that his actions & his words in more candid moments tell a very different story from the one he’s paying his PR teams to project to the world. Anyway, I’m not going to lie- when I see a conversation about Israel where someone on the left is relatively defensive of (or positively frames a question about) a fascist billionaire who has pretty flagrantly promoted anti-Semitic ideas, & isn’t even critical of Israel, that does concern me a bit. I’m not leaping to the conclusion that he is endorsing Musk’s take, or is being anti-Semitic himself by any means- clearly he stands in solidarity with Palestine & most of what he said I found agreeable. So I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt & not assume things uncharitably. But it is very puzzling to me how a well-informed left-leaning anti-imperialist in 2023 would still have that relatively positive or sympathetic or charitable of an attitude towards Elon Musk of all people… I guess there was that moment where Elon scored PR points by at least claiming he’d provide internet to Gaza (I have no idea if he did or to what extent or how much that was self-serving)… But honestly, knowing everything I do about Musk & the pro-Nazi circles he pals around in, & the things he’s said & done… and the fact that even after that PR stunt, he went to do propaganda with Netanyahu… I’m definitely inclined to lean towards “he doesn’t actually give a shit about Gaza. He’s just an anti-Semitic ethnonationalist, so he got some kind of kick out of doing something to antagonize a so-called “Jewish state” (or was acting against them as a nod to his Nazi fans, like “look, I’m one of you, & I’m using my immense wealth & power to get under Israel’s skin)… And then maybe some of them were like “Hey, we actually don’t like Arabs either or care if they die, & in fact because Israel shares our ethnonationalist ideology & wants to convince all the Jewish people of the world to leave & go live there, we actually have common cause with them for the time being…” I don’t know how else to explain his inconsistency (the only consistent thing is his friendship with these far-right, bigoted, misanthropic circles)… The guy seems like a clown though- maybe he isn’t thinking very hard about any of this & it’s all just trying to see what will get people to like him, get his money to bounce back… At any rate, there’s no version of this where he deserves any credit as a free speech advocate, or a genuine friend of Palestinians, or a critic of Israel, or anything else… He’s about as bad as any billionaire out there today, just an absolute tumor on the American economic & social landscape… So I don’t get that seeming inclination to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, or to suggest that Twitter/X is better or “freer” now than it was before. He’s only dragged down everything he touches.

[@edwardlarkin4279]

AND DONT READ BOOKS, so dont allow for critical thinking. Social media for so much always.

[@louisesumrell6331]

Please back away from the camera a bit. You are a handsome gentleman, but the effect is too, "in your face". Also the young man with glasses. I understand that this may be done with smartphone watchers in mind, but for those of us watching on a flat-screen TV, if you could both back away about 9" to 12"??? I'm sure that it looks fine to family/intimate partners, but the rest of us don't know you that well 😉

[@mkh4lili]

Noted! Thanks for the feedback, will keep it in mind for the next one.

[@georgka74]

he wants his evil head to horrify people))

[@BlushNa]

@@georgka74🤣🤣

[@sambell940]

nice hair..lol

[@carolchase2632]

Prepare your presentation facts more professionally -- good content, poor articulation

[@user-cl8lo5lh2n]

It was lacking sophistication from the beginning... the horror stories were almost as blatant as Germany in the 30s...... I'm shamefully a student of German propaganda one actress become known for playing the innocent victim of Jewish sexual manipulation...

[@RichardLewisCaldwell]

33:31 Musk "is kind of all over the shop with that one" At least he's consistent: Musk hates everyone equally. And his decision to hold his advertising revenue breath until ex-Twitter goes kaboom is so toddlesque.

[@pyrosardukar]

Right we need more tiktok content to liberate palestine! The European dissident left has gone from the red brigades to making tiktok and Instagram p posts. What a sad state of affairs. I thought you people were a bit more serious.

[@swisscottagecleanairaction]

Nothing said here makes the slightest difference to what happens in the world.

[@MH7919]

After October 7th atrocity which you hardly mention, there will be a new reality for those who sympathise with evil forces.

[@LuisAldamiz]

The one in which Israelis murdered thousands of Israelis?

[@BRANFED]

what evil..the people that rebelled and struck back or the people that oppressed and committing war crimes under the guise of self-defense?

[@0xkillswitch]

What he's saying is that soon there will be no more freedom of speech. It's a threat. That's what we call Israeli democracy.

[@nyceone45]

@@BRANFEDit’s what we call the “Zionist brain “ kind of logic up there

[@MH7919]

You

[@carreromartialarts]

This guy thinks Ukraine are the good guys! Hard to listen to him after that

[@stevenlevy6119]

What the f does this guy know?

[@panasazov8200]

Trump24, MAGA

[@MH7919]

He consumes a lot of pro Palestine info on TikTok .. We call it TikTok brain.

[@ljt3084]

The same is said of those who only consume MSM that is nothing more than an OAP brainwashing service censored and controlled by governments or by lobbying groups such as AIPAC.

[@georgka74]

tiktok is for idiots only)))

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