Rwanda, Israel Palestine and the Tories' war on human rights | Shami Chakrabarti interview

Human rights lawyer and Labour peer Shami Chakrabarti swung by JOE Towers to speak to us on the release of her new book Human Rights: The Case for the Defence.
Here, she speaks to us about the failings of the Rwanda bill, the Tory government's attack on basic human rights and the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Gaza worsened by the IDF.
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[@LuzDoSol-yr5bv]

How refreshing a conversation based on law, democracy, language, and the best of Britain. 🎉🎉🎉

[@mattsawyer343]

Why do people always question whether something is really "far right," but are happy to use "far left," at essentially any socially worthy idea. The NHS would have been deemed far left once.

[@Auriflamme]

Part of the reason is that a lot of right-wingers are embarrassed to admit that they are right wing, whereas people on the left tend to be proudly so. I think that perhaps people on the extremes of the right realise on some level that their beliefs are anti-humanist. If they are somewhat psychopathic, they do not mind admitting that, but if they have empathy for their in-group it can be difficult for them to square their antipathy for the 'other'.

[@jonathandnicholson]

Far-left/right are now subjective epithets. Every policy or politician is almost always described as righteous when agreed with or Communist/Fascist/Nazi if not. Most of that is almost always an unfair attribution, but those are pretty much the only historic references we think we know. Plus '.... is a .... Fundamentalist' or '... is a Communist/Fascist/Nazi' is the way to get attention/likes/shares/etc.

[@dianacasey6002]

@@Auriflammethe good thing is the right wing are easy to pick out either through their words or deeds. Both are usually pretty shallow.

[@eddouglas]

The NHS is 100% deemed "far left" just not in the public forum yet

[@Bjcf8060]

This is brilliant, well done to the both of you. Human rights belong to all of us.

[@rubenverheij4770]

Can't bring entire third world into the U.K.!! Naive lefties!!!

[@LionPaw.Rastafan]

whats happening in palestine cannot be described as a war

[@janebaker966]

No one's declared War,same in Ukraine,so they're not only immoral but illegal too.

[@Adamb87]

I absolutely love this woman , my grandad is a great fan of hers too, HRA 98 is an absolute love in my life truly, I studied it for 2 years solid as a student it's left it's positive mark on me

[@Netflix999]

I can’t stick her !

[@Kiki-Delivering]

I love this woman, sadly I’m an American I wish we had more of her in the US.

[@janebaker966]

You're welcome to her. I wish she would push off. Human Rights. Kerching. I've NEVER HAD ANY HUMAN RIGHTS. Im now 69 years old and I WAS NEVER ALLOWED BY THE GATEKEEPERS OF THESE THINGS to buy a house for myself to live in despite earning money and paying tax. So where were my Human Rights. I was working . I was prepared to PAY. Yet now all her cohorts talk about "giving" houses. Migrants should be "given" a house. No one ever suggested I should be given a house. In fact if I lost my flat (rented) I'd be out on the street. If the money was in the opposite to HR she'd be signed up the other side,vultures like her follow the money

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

RBG died at an old age. Jill Stein is alive. Cornell Wilde is alive. They're both running for President.. ..

[@Iskelderon]

It's just the British version of the atrocity the Australians committed on Nauru Island, right on brand for the Tories.

[@benwilson6145]

Tony Abbot alias the London Mad Monk introduced it to Johnston.

[@jonpritz8358]

Superb journalism..Thank folks & please keep shining your truthful lights...

[@lunaxquinn]

why respect the law when even the prime minister doesn't

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

Yep, corruption is encouraged and alive and well. More tea, vicar? Tennis anyone?

[@scooble]

44:29 - Shami says it was an error. However, Starmer still to this day doesn't admit it was an error, in fact,.he doubles down saying he was answering the question before.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

My recollection of the interview is that Nick Ferrari asked for clarification in the interview and he confirmed for a second time that he thought that cutting off essential utilities was OK.

[@zernebock73]

Saw the interview were Starmer insists that he was not speaking in error. Gaslighting.

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

​@@zernebock73There's a bew book out: "On Gaslighting", by Kate Abramson, Princeton University Press. I'm thinking of reading it also.

[@martinread6593]

A wonderful person, representative of best of the Lords! But for every Chakrabarti there's a Mann, an Austin, a Woodcock, a Hoey, a Mone- all of them and some!

[@fintamaria2429]

So true👏👏👏👏

[@laylaboukhemkhem8909]

Spot on wrt the SC, if this were the case there would never be the amount of corruption there is now...

[@seasonmists]

Why has Helena Kennedy, Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws not signed the open letter concerning Gaza?

[@williamwallace2638]

You didn't push her enough on her defence of what Kier said about cutting off water being a mistake. They only changed after they realised people cared. It wasn't a mistake, they doubled down.

[@Bhaalgorn2302]

No, no, no. Didn't you hear? He was answering the previous question, he's a massive two Ronnie's fan, that's all it was.

[@rubenverheij4770]

"Those desperate people, arrived in small boats ..." but first arrived in Europe by plane! CASE SMELLS!!

[@hannahd4787]

👏🏻

[@katejackson7432]

so nice t know theres at least 1 brain in the lords

[@specialized500]

The lord's has many brains have you ever watched a debate?

[@michaelantonrouse]

actually im sure Oli knew what that she ref meant as he is on the ball mostly

[@fuckbankers]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@Johnconno]

Post-Truth? Does that mean it's a lie?

[@hardy_har]

16:46 you can actually see in his eyes the moment he realizes she's probably heard the PissCast.

[@michaelantonrouse]

keir Starmers Freudian slip Why he referred to the State of Israel as she that's a big big red flag do the research of his true beliefs now ? who should replace him ? keep religion out of politics or we are all in even bigger trouble

[@jim-es8qk]

"women and children first? Nah, just us lads"

[@thespacecowboy420]

Call regular fruit wax fruit if you want but it is still ganna spoil

[@diabl2master]

22:37 Fry your bacon somewhere else

[@michaelantonrouse]

Most say labour won't win themselves baroness ,but conservatives will lose definitely and most citizens are not at all excited they only have a little hope things may get much better

[@therealrobertbirchall]

I predict a tory lab coalition after the next GE, with Labour as the junior partner.

[@jonathandnicholson]

@@therealrobertbirchall I doubt that outcome.

[@jonathandnicholson]

If someone loses then someone will win. I get your point if people vote for Labour because he no longer wants a Conservative Government, but if the Conservatives lose power someone will win power because Government carries on and no specific threshold is needed other than to be the single biggest party in the House of Commons.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

@jonathandnicholson are you sure? In Aberdeen there is a Labour Tory coalition local council. Scotland is the place to watch in the GE the SNP have bet the farm on the supreme Court ruling and lost. Labour and the cons will take most of the Scottish seats in the GE between them, casing a hung parliament. Starmer is so desperate foe power he will work with the tories in Westminster. In Scotland there is a Holyrood election in 2005 and again the SNP will be wiped out and their constituencies will be divided among tory a d Labour who will form a coalition in Holyrood to keep the SNP out or from reforming itself.

[@jonathandnicholson]

@@therealrobertbirchall Interesting, but I doubt a Conservative Party - Labour Party coalition.

[@LimeyRedneck]

☯💜

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Weird level of racist bottery in the comments

[@Sorlendingen82]

buuuu

[@muhammad5147]

Please don't put that horribly disgusting music at the start again- why is it so unnecessarily scary and seems sort of perverted- Love you guys though, you're all very funny

[@janethart123]

Our country is broke

[@Fortramnasdaq]

That's not how fiat currency works

[@sarahharris2729]

Rwanda is safe, you have no evidence that Rwanda is not safe. Risk they'll be turned down isnt a risk. Risk theyll go back to country of origin isnt a risk. Its what happens in failed applications. Circular nonsense logic.

[@user-hv7kt9zc3m]

We used to clap for nurses because they went above and beyond but as we now no they want a huge pay rise for doing there job i have had several bad experiences with nurses tha last 3 times i went to the hospital im 6 years overdue for a cancer scan im supposed to get evey 3 months all covid-19 did was give nerses a big head so now they dont do there jobs properly like laura from torbay hospital blonde hair glasses you get her ask gor someone else she actually caused me physical pain then called security to get me kicked out when i said ouch a bit loudly nurses think COVID made them untouchable its a joke lole the nhs in this country

[@ericcorry1199]

They're Financial immigrants very few are escaping Political or war zones and if so they have been through many countries including last stop France which are safe zones / countries rather than come to the UK

[@phillipaclemons7261]

Same argument put by Australia. Animosity to people arriving by boat was huge. Most were ‘economic’ refugees who had relatives already in Aus. These relatives paid the smugglers Also, Australia takes approx 20.000 refugees annually, so the boat people were unfairly taking places of those waiting for yrs in refugee camps

[@coreyc1685]

If there’s ever a civil war or natural disaster that devastates the UK British refugees will go to a variety of nations across the world for refuge, as is their legal right. When someone insists on going to Spain because they speak fluent Spanish, or Australia because they have family there, you need to pedantically tell them they must go to France, the nearest safe nation. When the French say they can’t afford millions of British refugees by themselves and the responsibility should be spread around you can tell the French you believe their proximity to the UK means they must take in and accommodate every British refugee. If you can see how silly this suggestion is you can also see how silly the ‘first safe nation’ lie you people tell each other is.

[@-verti-5006]

Please either adjust your microphone sensitivity or stop scratching your beard.

[@leajon9849]

We must make it law in the uk that women and trans are allowed inside mosques ! its discrimination whats happening in this country

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Women are allowed inside mosques 😂

[@charlieoscar09]

This woman is talking total utter tosh.....

[@paulgibbons2320]

100%

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Nope

[@therealrobertbirchall]

So you gonna explain how you would solve the issues under discussion.

[@paulgibbons2320]

@@therealrobertbirchall I just did but the censor Nazis dont want a solution.

[@paulgibbons2320]

@@therealrobertbirchall I'm literally not permitted to do so.

[@paulgibbons2320]

So , people who are already here are in poverty and using food banks. Why are you so insistent on importing even more ? Labour is so contradictory. How are we in a position to help anyone if we can not sort out basic living standards for our own ? This situation is ridiculous. Both parties' stance is an absurdity.

[@janebaker966]

She's part of the Vulture Elite. I wonder what her BLOODLINE is,anyone looked into her family tree.

[@scooble]

Many of the issues and mounting costs we see today wrt migrants is the governments deliberate effort to prevent the processing of claims and cause a backlog. This causes an enormous backlog which requires them to be housed whilst they await processing. The sooner they are processed, the sooner failed claims are deported.

[@LimeyRedneck]

Just so you know your comment is visible. People of all political stripes and none complain about censorship, however YT's auto-moderation software has no discernible pattern to its shadow banning/ outright deletion of comments. It's very frustrating, but please don't take it personally as the heightened emotion helps no-one.

[@paulgibbons2320]

@LimeyRedneck thanks for the heads up. After you are visited by 77th, it is hard to believe the censorship is not that little bit more personal. The government is passing the blame for mass Chinese style censorship on to the private companies like Google,KZbin and Facebook ect. Reality is failed ministers like Nick Clegg are moved on into cushy high profile jobs in these companies/institutions and can manifest government/WEF ambitions from within them. If you think the censorship is some, how random or impartial. Then you're a very silly sausage.

[@paulgibbons2320]

@@LimeyRedneck an my response did get randomly removed 🙃