The INHUMAN Accuracy of Stormtroopers

[@mr.h1083]

“Accuracy is overrated. In the chaos of combat, you might not know where your enemy is. But with enough firepower, you can always make them keep their heads down.”

[@mr.h1083]

@yooem 26 Opening of the M60 video

[@Busta4Life]

Ah, yes. M60 intro.

[@Xandros999]

Experienced soldiers won't care about your firepower if they can plainly see that you can't hit the side of a barn.

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

@@Xandros999 idk, I would assume we use suppressive firepower doctrines for a reason.

[@narenthebeesechurgerman422]

@Henry Nagel wrong vid, it’s the M-60

[@emzetkin1100]

Ben Kenobi was just using an ancient Jedi technique, "p'lott armor", to bend the Stormtrooper's bolts away from everyone.

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

One of the strongest abilities the force gives. Unfortunately, this ability is useless when the victim is not a main character.

[@M4RSK11]

Teach me this technique

[@Insomninaut]

I always got the impression this was a real thing, after Chirrut in rogue one

[@TheLiamster]

You spelt plot armor wrong.

[@AhmedAli-hi4si]

Jokes aside the forces can indeed bend both accuracy and bolts so not far from the truth

[@charmatic_yt2195]

TL;DR The Stormtroopers shoot good when the enemies DON’T have plot armour.

[@apa123APA]

And when they finally connect, Han is just like "ow, that stung a little":

[@killertruth186]

@@apa123APA Exactly.

[@MChief123]

Or if you are one of the cast of rogue one. Your plot armor vanishes when plot demands it.

[@fluviusgaming1125]

wouldnt that be TL;DW? since we didnt read anything since this is a video

[@ns9270]

@@fluviusgaming1125 sssh ssh

[@daveTHEdirty]

It's almost like they were "Forced" to miss.

[@SonOfAFridge_]

Badum tss

[@SamuTheFrog]

Ahhhhhhh👉😂👉

[@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347]

Hahah 👉🤣👉

[@inquisitorialcandidate-1237]

The entire Imperial Army after reading this : *dies*

[@gloodgy2774]

Or, you could say they were "ordered by their commanding officers to let them escape on a tracked ship" to miss

[@gbob452]

When Grand Moff Tarken tells you to miss so the rebels can "get away" you miss.

[@AgentNintaku]

Curtis Gilbert Seriously. Vader is known for Force-choking officers who screw up. Tarkin is known for telling Vader to cut his shit. Do not screw with the guy who bosses an invincible wizard knight around.

[@space_fox12]

@@AgentNintaku so darth Vader is a level 20 wizard that uses a stronger version of a invisible mage hand?

[@AgentNintaku]

@@space_fox12 Nah, he's a level 16 Scout/Jedi/Jedi Knight/Sith Apprentice/Sith Lord with Force Choke. I mean, if you wanna stick to D20 systems, he works way better in Star Wars ones. :P

[@space_fox12]

@@AgentNintaku true

[@ailestriker9888]

The dude is also in charge of a space laser. He knows what planet you live on

[@pedror598]

If you've ever played SW Battlefront 1 against specialist bots, you know they are ridiculously accurate.

[@OneofInfinity.]

Hax 😆

[@nyarlathotep-thecrawlingch6335]

Jedi:fallen order too,especially In the hardest mode

[@reallegend_2316]

Even on Battlefeont 2 omg them bots be going crazy

[@tomraines6554]

@@nyarlathotep-thecrawlingch6335 dude totally. Fallen Order is freaking hard especially the baton folks on master

[@willito88]

Exactly

[@attentionspanlabs]

Remember also that one Stormtrooper on Endor shot Leia in the arm when she was in the bunker at a distance of at least several hundred feet, overcoming both physical cover and main character plot armor. Combine these data with the fact that Stormtroopers rarely seem to aim, but instead fire from the hip, and their skill with a blaster looks even more impressive.

[@ericolsen5592]

@Pasha Staravoitau That's something the real life US government experimented with but they haven't worked on it in a while. Also if that's the case I'm not sure why the Stormtroopers don't have a better understanding of room clearing and cover.

[@choppa6506]

@@ericolsen5592 yea its been tested for a sniper though it worked

[@DanteYewToob]

@@ericolsen5592 One real thing special forces regularly use is an IR laser and goggles. Humans can't see IR but cameras can. (Take out your tv remote and point it at your phone camera, you'll see it glow. Same principle.) So basically they have invisible laser sighs that only they can see. Pretty awesome.

[@tboss9053]

Attention Span Labs I heard that the stormtroopers are really accurate but the force is what protects the main characters and that’s why they aim bad

[@MoonlightAcid1]

So you're saying they had *plot armor piercing blasters*

[@lowlife1368]

In the extended universe, the rebellion often fought at targeted newly trained troops or low priority targets doing their absolute best to avoid highly decorated forces like the 501st and 182nd. When the Death Star blew up it took most of the highly decorating forces with it.

[@JB-yb4wn]

Yeah, I know. Can't make your ship look good with out decorators. *decorated* nimrod - go back to school.

[@jkel16]

My guess is all the decorators survived the 1st Death Star, but probably meet their demise on the 2nd one.

[@lowlife1368]

@@JB-yb4wn my bad

[@senseishu937]

@@JB-yb4wn jesus calm down you nazi

[@Azachor]

I cannot possibly imagine the rebels surviving the 501st, even Luke would get his ass handed to him

[@WikipediaDurchleser]

imagine if stormtroopers actually aimed and not fired from the hip..

[@legocontinentalsoldier5527]

Makes me think of an unending empire

[@thomasstolentesla5838]

They had targetting Huds in there helmets

[@wlsscom1155]

Str8camo isn't that just scout trooper and more elite troops?

[@thomasstolentesla5838]

@@wlsscom1155 no, all stormtroopers have a targeting hud

[@wlsscom1155]

Str8camo damn, didn't know that, thanks for the info

[@justanotherschmuck4149]

I like how people use the scene of the droids crossing the hallway as an example of their bad aim. as if they're going to go out of their way to shoot some rusting droids they can take care of later instead of the people actively trying to kill them.

[@culturecanvas777]

The droids would have critical rebel data stored. The troopers might actually be trained to not hit non-combat enemy droids.

[@StormtrooperTK--ic8pb]

We were ordered to find those plans so yes you are correct, we were going to go back to get those droids. Little did we know that they left in an escape pod.

[@tomkab7976]

@@StormtrooperTK--ic8pb Thank you for your report soldier. You can go back to your troop.

[@cohenpierce1442]

If anything it shows how accurate they are, being able to shoot at the enemy without hitting the apparently civilian obstacles in the middle.

[@culturecanvas777]

@Alvi Syahri nope, not at all. Most of Original Trilogy details were written at the last minute.

[@captainkiwi77]

Storm troopers aren’t the grunts of the empire, they’re the shock troopers. The grunts would be the actual galactic army and navy. The people you see in solo, those are the real grunts

[@rippera45]

And they are stated as being phased out by Stormies, because the Army was majorly incompetent; Mimban is a great example, where Solo's entire regiment wasn't gaining any ground and took serious casualties. After the Stormies started being deployed, Mimbanese resistance finally started to crumble. So Stormtroopers are becoming the grunts of the Empire. Palpatine is fine with throwing lives away, but he hates inefficient enforcers, so he replaced the Imperial Army like he replaced planetary defense forces, with Stormtroopers.

[@Bob13454]

He meant grunt as in anyone that's not a main or side character, basically all the unnamed people. Interesting fact though, I never considered that.

[@stapuft]

The things you see in Solo arent in the same universe as actual star wars.

[@arshawitoelar7675]

@@stapuft why?/how do you know?

[@infinitespace2520]

@@stapuft They are in the same universe...

[@luisarturoorduna2098]

One extra factor to notice: The rebel troops seems to be actually aiming their weapons, the stormtroppers looks like they are always firing from the hip

[@EnclaveSOC-102]

The Stormtroopers have target aiming assist software in their helmets display systems that can link up to the scopes on most of their blaster weapons.

[@pepqcat3169]

@@EnclaveSOC-102 same with clones i guess just white armor guys in general

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@EnclaveSOC-102 so they basically have a cross hair in their HUDs

[@Nobody-mi7qf]

@@ntfoperative9432 yes basically, they can see where they’re aiming even if the gun is at hip level.

[@seigfreidasuncion4464]

@@EnclaveSOC-102 so basically stormtroopers are console gamers lmfao

[@zzuklaa5699]

They hit literally anything but the main characters. Anyone who's read the extended lore knows their accuracy is more Han just inhuman. They're the best soldiers in the entire galaxy.

[@npc6817]

@B3L0W Z3R0 I'm sorry but the title of best soldiers of the galaxy goes to the clone troopers

[@goldknightgaming5521]

*Laughs In Clone Trooper*

[@oomsou5018]

Clone troopers are the best soldiers. There’s no contest. Especially with clones like Rex leading them.

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

And the force was protecting them also.

[@kingofitaly1874]

@@npc6817 He meant at their time.

[@forrestpenrod2294]

“I counted all of the blaster shots...” Doing the Lord’s work there EC Henry 😂 Seriously though I’ve always hated the jokes about Stormtrooper inaccuracy. They’re victims of plot armor.

[@JanetStarChild]

Lord Palpatine's work?

[@110100111000]

@@JanetStarChild Lord *Sidious* Emperor Sheev is the public face of the sith lord.

[@ilikepigeons6101]

True they are victims of annoying plot armour heroes

[@mihailazar2487]

Nah, dude there were people who made those star wars but Everytime someone fires a blaster it speeds up memes a while back, when they went through the entire trilogy

[@soundcloudpandapandawa2997]

Thank you somebody who knows the truth

[@Algoboard8191]

One of the main characters : *is around* Stormtrooper's Accuracy : I sense a great disturbance in the force

[@acidgoon]

I guess it’s just their range with the other plot armor

[@qwertywypi1337]

@@acidgoon i dont think range has anything to do with it

[@Crossbones6732]

Fuck, not even main characters, Disney has given even the nameless grunts immunity. Way to ruin any sense of danger.

[@philosotree5876]

Because the heroes are more skilled. That's what makes them heroes. Not pLoT aRmOr or whatever bullshit you cooked up in your barely functional brain.

[@MrZAP17]

Let's not forget Hoth. Hoth had significant ground troops and the snowtroopers that landed with Vader played a large role in subduing the base. We forget about them because the walkers are more impressive looking, but the stormtroopers are quick and efficient soldiers. They're not bad on Endor, either; they were fighting against guerillas who had greater territorial knowledge and were able to effectively use it against them, but they still managed to do reasonably well and take out a fair number of enemy combatants before being defeated. There aren't really any examples in the OT of stormtroopers being incompetent; their weakest showing is probably in the Mos Eisley escape, and that can be explained as Han being that good a shot and the heroes already being almost completely secure and ready to evacuate. It's only in the EU that stormtroopers start to become less competent.

[@BGTom]

Should point out that on Endor, the Empire was winning the fight till Chewie stole an AT-ST. If not for that, the battle would have ended in Imperial Victory.

[@bigmonkey1254]

@@BGTom Yeah, exactly. The Ewoks got the jump on them and took out a few troopers and two walkers, but once the imperial troops regrouped, they started stomping over the Ewoks until Chewie took their walker, gaining them a decisive advantage by them not knowing who was their ally anymore.

[@commscan314]

I think that Return of the Jedi is what really started to dilute the quality of the Empire's forces, which then influenced other media to follow its lead in its interpretation of the Empire's military as an incompetent, bloated, quantity-over-quality mess.

[@mikehuesgen1147]

Not to mention all the stormtroopers attacking with Vader, are elites from the 501st. The ones on the Death Star I say were less talented and more varied.

[@Nezxmi]

I kinda agree but honestly at that point I think the clones from the 501st would certainly be dead from accelerated growth, they'd just be elites from Vader's Fist.

[@fantasticmootastic3956]

The ones on the death star are told to let like etc escape. They let them go so they could track them to the rebel base. Why does everyone forget that?

[@Nezxmi]

@@fantasticmootastic3956 Nobody here is forgetting that, it's just an explanation for the less intelligent actions we see from the Death Star troopers C-list soldiers (glorified security guarding a WMD that's incredibly unlikely to be attacked) as opposed to Vader's Fist being S tier strike force soldiers.

[@AgentNintaku]

Mike Huesgen That isn't meaningful data, as it's a retcon from decades later. It doesn't really have bearing on scenes shot before that.

[@generalender7653]

Most people on the death star were highly ranked officers,pilots, and even stormtroopers

[@Joshua-hz3cl]

Not just Storm troopers, those are Vader's fist. The 501st

[@desolation2438]

I think that is something people always forget.

[@ArturoLopez-ly2pn]

So they are like an elite personal guard?

[@desolation2438]

@@ArturoLopez-ly2pn basically, it's more that they are a cut above the rest .

[@Joshua-hz3cl]

@@ArturoLopez-ly2pn No, more like just elite troops. The best of the best.

[@scar48818]

Arturo Lopez they are mostly the remaining clones because vader preferred clones over regular recruits.

[@FBI-sr2eg]

I was expecting a shitpost, and got an actual thorough explanation of why stormtroopers have good accuracy. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@s0cc451]

A surprise answer from FBI

[@duncanharrell5009]

But a welcome one.

[@fbi8801]

Back up has arrived

[@christiancividino455]

Yeah and it only uses one battle in the very first opening scene as a rationalization combined with a presumptive explanation for the stormtroopers being ordered not to harm/kill the heroes. Not only is there no evidence for this in ANH but it cheapens the heroes survival and narrow escapes.

[@basedeltazero714]

@@christiancividino455 It's literally stated outright, by both Tarkin and Leia, that they let them go in order to track them to the rebel base.

[@SirGsusFreak]

I'm kind of sick of the whole "Stormtroopers can't aim" argument. The part in the trilogy where seem to miss the most is explained in the movie that they were ordered not to kill them. Besides, what did people expect George Lucas to do? Have the heroes get shot and almost killed every firefight? EDIT: Since my comment is getting a lot of attention, I feel like I should clarify that I do think that the OT films should have done better at demonstrating the skill of Stormtroopers. What bothers me is that all the expanded material, including the new shows, make Stormtroopers absolute buffoons and take the "Stormtrooper aim" joke to the extreme.

[@amirhaikal8304]

That actually made a interesting movie to watch

[@TheCompleteMental]

If he wants them to be seen as competant

[@amirhaikal8304]

@@TheCompleteMental at least make them hit like shoulders or legs or make them look like they're trying to suppress them

[@TheCompleteMental]

@@amirhaikal8304 Exactly, or make the heroes move around a lot, use cover, the enviornment in general Edit: I still agree with my sentiment here, but do acknowledge that it wouldnt, and shouldnt, be modern action movie style. I dont think that was my origin intention anyway. Just that some scenes of people just shooting at each other would benefit by getting to the point in a more decisive way. I get that the longer cuts were to get across the danger better, but obviously if you create the idea that nobody can aim, you overstayed your welcome.

[@professionalcommentstealer5271]

Set the blasters to stun

[@xanderlowe1543]

One note: while the Rebels seem to always take cover and retreat, the Stormtroopers are aggressively pushing forward. Considering their armor and that in the Hallway Scene, a trooper is checking a downed man, it's possible they actually have a superior tactic: the psychological fear of an army of faceless soldiers rushing towards you is pretty terrifying, and if the armor does hold up, that does a lot for the reverse: the troopers are less afraid.

[@aceambling7685]

some EU material explains that stormtrooper armor is designed to disperse the enregy of blaster bolts making potentially lethal shots merely incapacitating, its likely that those downed troopers in ANH are only unconscious, and this would definitely increase the confidence of the average trooper,.

[@cearfarseer9725]

The armor doesn't look like it does much in terms of protection during the movies.

[@bastik.3011]

@@cearfarseer9725 well like the comment above you saidy they are not confirmed dead, the rebels are Like we don't see wounds on the stormtroopers just simple marks And since most army's in Star Wars Dont have any armor it's more likely that it's like real-life armor It dosnt safe you from injury but it does safe you from death in most cases Like why would there be a need for clone medics if the armor didn't protect them? We even see Captain Rex shot with a Sniper rifle and yet he is not killed just severely injured (yes he wore more armor then the average clone and clone armor is slightly better then stormtroopers but still)

[@Xavanux]

There's a reason why they all wear the same armor and rush forward when one man is downed. They're like the Persian Immortals. Persian Immortals were called Immortals because when one of their men in the front lines were killed, they were pulled back into the ranks and another man would take the fallen man's place, making it seem like they were fighting the same enemy. They also all wore the same masks and armor and in the chaos of combat, it really did seem like they were immortal.

[@cigarpringles1890]

I think that is based of the blitzkrieg (ww2 german tactic)

[@umcaraqualquer3640]

Stormtroopers: Can literally mow down armies in seconds **Main character appears!** Stormtroopers: Huh, how do I shoot, again?

[@uthopia27]

Lol and suddenly they become jar jar

[@eepersneepers7872]

What is this black rod with a red flashy pew pew?

[@pietajunior3437]

@@uthopia27 jar jar is a legendary fighter so what you said doesn't make any sence

[@wolfjacket551]

Pieta Junior your’e not wrong just look at how Manny battle droids he takes down in Phantom manace

[@caiseric]

probably shock, as main characters are well known individuals who are known to kill them.

[@hornet370]

rebel: *shot by stormtrooper in shoulder* "AUGH!" *dies* Leia: *shot by stormtrooper in shoulder* "ow!" *lives*

[@Darkwood2027]

Please don't underestimate the agony of being shot by a bolt of ionized plasma. The rebel's probably no death, just writhing.

[@ValentineC137]

She took the hit in a non-critical area

[@technology2598]

@@ValentineC137 I'll show you how to do that next time.

[@yochs8284]

Its that damn plot-armor

[@googlesearchhistory5249]

I mean same goes to stormtroopers, but that’s because the armor more or less saves them but they get knocked out from the shock.

[@OtawoOnlineGaming]

With Darth Vader and Grand Moff Tarkin taking about letting them go, and Obi saying that Imperial Stormtroopers are accurate AF, why is anyone still doubting that. Heck even Leia mentioned, “They let us go.” The only way I could agree with inaccurate shooting from the Imperial Stormtroopers is if you say that the Emperor’s Battle Meditation is increasing their accuracy and then after the Battle of Endor, they become inaccurate.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

Because after Empire Strikes Back the meme of Stormtroopers being bad shots firmly took hold in society so that made them have shitty aim everywhere else from then on.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@matthewgagnon9426 even in Empire strikes back, they were ungodly accurate, look at Hoth. The only reason they missed in cloud city is because literally all of them were main Characters, they couldn't exactly be killed off

[@keke7802]

Plot Twist: This guy is secretly a Storm Trooper trying to defend his kind.

[@OTTOAUDIO]

1cetea this comment should be higher

[@williamhall6651]

Id say he's actually a rebal trying to make his cause seem like an actual struggle. You guys still aren't getting anymore funding, I saw what you did with that "hammerhead" spaceship...

[@anthonywhite4656]

Good good let the hate flow through you

[@sirentol1959]

1cetea this needs more likes

[@davidquezada50]

Not a race but ok

[@mihailazar2487]

OMG I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the MOTION GRAPHICS at the end They're soooo slick

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

I know, best of all they feel like they belong in universe for Star Wars. A+ on the Motion Graphics EC Henry

[@lazarmarkovic9404]

Bruuhhh we have the same name

[@HaustierYui]

Aby Idea how he did those?

[@mihailazar2487]

@@HaustierYui if I'd have to guess how he did it ... Probably After Effects If I'd have to replicate them ... Animate a bunch of geometric lines with constant interpolation (so they "blink" from one frame to another) and some pixelizing mask or something like that on top, in the conpositor

[@TheVeritas1]

The new graphics at the end rock.

[@christianfaux736]

I remember when I was a little kid, no older than 7, watching that hallway scene for the first time and being TERRIFIED by the stormtroopers lethality and accuracy. It really set them up indelibly as a dangerous and lethal foe.

[@ilikepigeons6101]

Christian Faux until the battle of Endor where the 'best' legion of stormtroopers (according to palpatine) were beaten by teddy bears

[@highadmiraljt5853]

I LiKe PiGeoNs *vietnam flashbacks*

[@TheVeritas1]

You need to watch EC's video on why Ewoks should be taken as a serious threat.

[@Optimaloptimus]

I LiKe PiGeoNs Honestly did anyone expect vicious miniature autonomous teddy bears to attack?

[@EliWintercross]

@@ilikepigeons6101 you mean insanely strong and devious man eaters? They weren't playing with storm trooper helmets for no reason at the end, they probably ate the contents first.

[@warlordofbritannia]

“These rebels couldn’t hit a Bantha at this range!” -The last words of Imperial Major General Jonn Sedgwykk

[@thomasebersole8640]

wow, that is an amazing reference! i got a good laugh hahaha! and to those who don't know the reference: General John Sedgwick was a Union General in the American Civil war. He died at the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House and among his last words was this iconic saying: "Why are you dodging [bullets] like this? They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance" Legend has it he was shot and mortally wounded before he finished this sentence or moments after. May he rest in peace.

[@rapatacush3]

@@thomasebersole8640 how the hell a american knew about a beast is only living on africa and asia.?

[@cjt354]

@@rapatacush3 . . . Please tell me you're joking.

[@rapatacush3]

@@cjt354 at that time i mean

[@cjt354]

@@rapatacush3 Yes, even then. Ever since the first educated European colonist arrived in America, there have been Americans that knew of elephants. It's not like everywhere was entirely isolated from everywhere else before the invention of telecommunications.

[@EmpirePreciousMetals]

HECK YES! My brothers in arms are incredibly accurate. Long live the Empire! PEW PEW 💥 💥

[@purplesweaterboi4763]

yeah you guys have better reason for this

[@psikoticoo]

You just missed those pew pews

[@royalelite2996]

The Emperor will be pleased to hear this

[@henryhammarberg6070]

Long live the Empire!

[@dukes1993724]

The Empire did nothing wrong

[@apa123APA]

"Imperial Stormtroopers are incredibly accurate". Looking at that clip of them firing while standing behind each other and walking around the entire time, they better be. Or friendly fire is just off altogether.

[@gameshock3897]

Stormtroopers can hit anything as long as it’s not a main character. Plot armor at its finest. Also, anyone who has read the lore knows that stormtroopers have extremely good accuracy, they are the best troops in the galaxy.

[@devildavin]

@@gameshock3897 best in the galaxy at the time. if i remember all my lore correctly, from best to worst it goes: Clone Troopers, First Order troopers then Imperial Troopers

[@carlosayres5338]

I friendly fired my mom with and airsoft while trying to kill a bug

[@mv9370]

@@devildavin Fuck the first order.

[@Malt454]

@@gameshock3897 - And a legion of the best of them lose to stone-age teddy bears; they are the best troops in the galaxy!

[@sharkbaek]

One of Stormtroopers even shot Leia in RotJ. And none of Rebels excluding Luke could even scratch Darth Vader. Stormtroopers even can penetrate Plot armor.

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

To be fair, Han did shoot Vader in the hand....twice.

[@sharkbaek]

@@pickeljarsforhillary102 Yeah, but it didn't even scratch him. ;)

[@daniwolfplayz3599]

@@pickeljarsforhillary102 he has a point! also han is a guy with plot armor too so it doesnt count!

[@LordVader1094]

R2-D2 also got taken out on Endor.

[@starburner309]

@@LordVader1094 And the Battle of Yavin.

[@lancelancer8313]

"Grunts of the Empire" You're thinking of the Imperial Army Trooper, my friend.

[@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw]

Ya, Stormtroopers are elite shock troopers, hence the name

[@Flamingbannas]

@@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw Yeah it's annoying to see them depicted defending so much when they are supposed to be shock forces.

[@lupinthethird5784]

@@Flamingbannas You're referring to many of their depictions outside of the OT.

[@Chandler191]

Honestly, the Imperial Army Trooper reminded me more of engineer's and the people who were always working in ships. Storm trooper as a guard/grunt and the death trooper as the "elite shock trooper" just play battlefront 2 for hours lol

[@simplymadness8849]

Have those guys ever actually been canon? They’ve been depicted in no official media outside of the role playing games. It’s clear by now that stormtroopers are just the generic army trooper of the empire. They do everything from guarding prisoners on backwater planets to boarding parties on starships.

[@infinitesheldon5710]

Another point I've seen made, that I particularly enjoy, is Stormtroopers' performance based off of role. For example, the Stormtroopers easily overwhelmed the Rebels in the Tantive IV and on Hoth, but they failed to stop the Rebels on Endor. Throughout the TV show Rebels, the main characters regularly succeed in assaulting/stealing from locations defended by Stormtroopers, but when the tables are turned and the Stormtroopers find the Rebels' position, the main cast is forced to flee. It's all in the name, honestly. *Storm* troopers. They're great at storming locations. Not so much at defending them. Their role seems to be dedicated to offense, and when they're put in charge of defending something, they typically under-perform. This could be because their training is entirely based off of the mentality that the Empire should be the only assailant in any confrontation. The Empire planned to violently expand its borders throughout the Outer Rim, and it trained its soldiers to be capable of assaulting one world after another, breaking through any defenses. They didn't really expect a sudden massive civil war, especially when they planned on having a Death Star online to keep worlds in order through fear. Why bother training how to properly defend when everyone is too terrified to attack you? Much better to instead train your forces to conquer.

[@ARCNA442]

That actually makes a lot of sense and can be seen in their equipment (no camo, limited supplies, compact blasters for CQB, all their heavy weapons are mounted on walkers). It's ideal for offensive operations but ill-suited to static defensive positions. Rebels unfortunately reinforced the "every Imperial soldier is a Stormtrooper" myth, but guard duty was supposed to be left to standard Imperial Army / Imperial Navy units. Probably the only reason Stormtroopers were responsible for defending the Endor bunker was because it was a top secret project and they were desired more for their loyalty than their skill.

[@josephattwell1006]

Alternatively, the relative training and effectiveness of Stormtroopers vary wildly throughout the Empire. Vader's personal troops were some of the best with years of training and combat experience, and the ones set on the important tasks of conquering land for the Empire are better than most, but the ones we see in stationed to play guard duty on backwater planets are barely trained conscripts. The Empire has tens of thousands of planets it needs to garrison and trillions of citizens to keep under their oppressive boots. The Emperor wanted to rule via fear without needing a Senate. It needs troops, an unimaginable amount of them, so it just hands out a suit and blaster to anyone who proves loyal enough.

[@highadmiraljt5853]

The movies and tv shows should have focused more on the basic imperial soldier and not just on the stormtrooper

[@azazaz4627]

The issue is that the movies somewhat uses Stormtroopers where it should be using the Imperial Army. Stormtroopers are numerous, however they're not grunts. They'd be considered the special forces of the Imperial Army, but inside of the Stormtrooper Corps, there's a special forces for the special forces (Death Troopers, Nova troopers, Shadow Troopers, Scout Troopers, Storm Commando's, the list goes on.)

[@girlgarde]

In "Rebels", I assumed that the Stormtroopers on Lothal and other locations were 2nd rate Stormtroopers used for garrison duties and/or for security on ships while the ones that seized the Tantive IV were elite stormtroopers and they were. Besides, the Rebels on Lothal tended to fight unconventionally with hit and run attacks and ambushes which the stormtroopers there weren't expecting as it was something not covered in their training.

[@YannickMertens-fk9nr]

Rebel: stormtroopers inbound! Rebel 2: pfff, easy. Rebel: *its the battlefront 2 players* Rebel 2: [sweats nervously]

[@mv9370]

*The OG Battlefront 2 players Rebels: RETREAT!!!!

[@solblackfire3237]

Taste my max rank star cards bitch

[@NikitaFlex0]

Gotta spin and roll around trying to avoid any damage at all but dies one way or another

[@abc6568]

Flank em, blast em with a cr

[@Rebellions]

_By the time we landed on Yavin, whatever shock we'd felt at the destruction of the Death Star had been replaced by anger. For months we'd treated the Rebellion like a disobedient child, only to be repaid for our tolerance with treachery on an unimaginable scale. Frankly, I don't remember much of the fighting. I guess we won._

[@54356776]

0:09 I never get tired of seeing the stormtrooper bang his head. 😅

[@mysteryme6655]

Never noticed lol super funny

[@rravitejamavr6650]

Woww never noticed

[@moemuxhagi]

Seriously, you guys never noticed ? That's like the most recognizable gags in all of Star Wars. George Lucas even had someone adding a * bunk * for the special edition.

[@rravitejamavr6650]

@@moemuxhagi I'm not into Star wars that much & I only recently watched all Star wars movies so....

[@moemuxhagi]

@@rravitejamavr6650 Oh, well, that would explain a lot.

[@CQBlitz0]

Their armor is also good. The rebels are shying away from shots because they have no armor, but the troopers just kept moving forward. Their armor was designed to protect from glancing blows from shots, but it also does well with explosions, shrapnel, etc. that’s why I love the empire so much. They’re the coolest and actually made good armor

[@tappajaav]

If I remember correctly stormtrooper armour dispels the shots and only incapacitates them, so they can take a hit and be out of the fight but back in the next one.

[@garrettsattem4799]

“I have never seen stormtrooper armor protect anyone from anything." So we can just ignore this quote from the Rebels show?

[@69thclonebattalion89]

​@@garrettsattem4799 in that same show most of the troopers stand up after being shot

[@legendaryspartan110]

@@69thclonebattalion89 Not to mention to, in the Battlefront 2 book Iden versio, a literal special forces soldier made sure to double tap a stormtrooper to make sure that they wouldn't get back up later and stop her. Stormtrooper armor is amazing

[@Rellus32-44]

​@@garrettsattem4799 I'd ignore it. Any quotes like that from Rebels are an example of Filoni's crappy writing regarding the Empire's troops. There's several instances of him trying to imply that everything the empire made was shittier, yet they would've had better tech at that time.

[@CliffuckingBooth]

Just came here after watching the last episode of Mandalorian where Stormtrooper haven't missed a SINGLE shot when shooting at the pirates :)

[@nottodisushttoagen1309]

Plot armour is a helluva drug

[@notyou2353]

That Mandalorian armor, tho.

[@willeh1947]

Exactly. Storm troopers ARE precise.

[@ezla1663]

@@willeh1947 Except fsr they keep shooting Mando in the one place he has armor, aka the shoulder?

[@anarmedillo8431]

@@ezla1663 Aim for his head and you'll get a concussive hit AT BEST (which we could see happening multiple times) The most vulnerable part of his armour are the gaps on his chestplate. Hence, they aim for it which isn't easy at all. Hitting the moving mandalorian on the shoulder repeatedly in an unstable ship falling from the sky should be considered a feat.

[@darthplagueis3488]

Psychiatrist: agile stormtroopers don’t exist, they can’t hurt you. Agile stormtroopers:

[@defensivekobra3873]

Agile? Do you mean accurate or did you forget a timestamp or something

[@killian9314]

@@defensivekobra3873 i mean they rushed Out of a choke point, that's basically dodging blasters

[@defensivekobra3873]

@@killian9314 Fair point, but *HOW* when the armor is so clunky

[@cptTK421]

@@defensivekobra3873 It's basically plastic but with the defensive qualities of steel. In fact, I believe the material used for the armor is named for this very fact; plasteel.

[@defensivekobra3873]

@@cptTK421 yes, i dont Think you got it quite right but something along those lines. Plastoid? Also while light, just design wise the armor should be hard to manuver in. Perhaps not for a trained soldier tho

[@whyismyheadbig1364]

I actually get irritated when ever people make fun of storm troopers for having bad aim. Also when people call clone troopers storm troopers

[@truongle8323]

Hmm.. I can relate

[@amirhaikal8304]

I mean how do you not differ between clone troopers and stormtroopers?

[@gmailquinn]

I agree with the statement about clone troopers and storm troopers

[@StormtrooperTK--ic8pb]

I hate when people affiliate me with clones too man.

[@amirhaikal8304]

@@StormtrooperTK--ic8pb the clones are 1000 times better than you

[@nathanjordon6950]

The moral of the story is no matter how accurate they are, their shots deflect off their plot armour

[@andrewreynolds912]

That is until you can get rid of the plot armor as much as you can which is important

[@PurpleLightning6was9]

I always assumed it was Luke's latent force abilities subtly pushing away the blaster fire.

[@chrisyoung5089]

That could be a high possibility, especially since force users use the force without knowing before they know they can use it. Darth Bane even killed his own father way before he knew he had force powers.

[@RictusHolloweye]

In every scene where stormtroopers keep missing there is a force sensitive person present. When they shot at Han in docking bay 94 Luke and Obi Wan were nearby. Leia was present at Cloud City and Endor.

[@giraffedragon6110]

Akray Bothorda that is actually a very fair point

[@aniki6575]

How come i never thought of that. That is canon in my head now

[@MisterK9739]

PurpleLightning6was9 That is the most absurd theory to explain away plot armor I have ever heard... It's a movie, nerds :D

[@JasonRasmussen]

"They let us go". The princess explained it IN THE MOVIE!

[@bigm8yule]

Did you watch the full vid? He said that..

[@northwestpassage6234]

Also they took over the Hoth base incredibly quickly.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

i'd say the 501st are accurate but your general human stormtroopers are not.

[@joshuarubenstein2298]

@@sheilaolfieway1885 well stormtroopers are supposed to be the cream of the crop. Their the marines of the imperial navy.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

@@joshuarubenstein2298 my 501st theory would make sense though since it is canon that the 501st were the ones who shot up the jawa sandcrawler and were likely on the death star as well we could simply stay that since the 501st who are under darth vader are the best of the best that the 501st are super accurate but your common stormtrooper is not as accurate.

[@gabisyndulla9575]

How many credit have the Empire given to you ?

[@danieldyason8711]

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[@casualtaco2154]

Dan Dyason wrong. He got 10000000000000000”000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 x 5 billion would be accurate.

[@YourMomsBedroom]

10^10000

[@flare9757]

None. I can verify this is accurate.

[@shahimagesyt]

@@flare9757 you didnt get what he meant by credit did you?

[@thomasburn3247]

I think it's ridiculous how people say: Nah, there was no plan to let the MCs leave the Death Star, stormtroopers are just bad aim.

[@keef920]

Despite Tarkin literally asking Vader if the tracking device is on board the Millenium Falcon and telling Vader that they’re taking an awful risk letting them get away

[@andrewreynolds912]

@@keef920 exactly and I thought that was smart

[@SpionCTFT]

Star Wars is Rebel Propaganda. That's why it's so movie like ;)

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

CTFT the Rebels want to know your location

[@SpionCTFT]

@@xSoulhunterDKx A Galaxy far far away ;)

[@Corvus__]

@@SpionCTFT REPUBLIC FEDERATION! OPEN UP!

[@yashma4187]

This is un ironically my head cannon. All the movies are just rebel propaganda distorting the real events.

[@syntaxusdogmata3333]

Death Star: Never Forget!

[@rikdenbreejen5230]

Stormtroopers: 6 shots to kill Modern militairy: spray and pary.

[@keulron2290]

Can't tell if you mean "spray and pray" or "spray and parry"...

[@Cairo40000]

@@keulron2290 Sometimes terrorists come at you with swords. Those parrying skills can come in handy

[@shivanshlolayekar9668]

@@keulron2290 both work xD

[@captain_noo]

do you mean militairy or air force??

[@saymyname2618]

@@Cairo40000 When you said that i was imagining a U.S soldier bare handed parrying a sword swing from a terrorist, and the Bloodborne parry sound effect triggers.😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@NoobMicesters]

When i watched star wars for the first time, that entry scene of stormtroopers being the first scene of the movie (bar the at the time breathtaking establishing shot) it absolutely burned a message in my brain, storm troopers are goddamn strong, they came through a single door that already had guns aiming at the door fighting into a ship they wouldnt know where the enemy where and decimated. I guess its one of those first impression things because from then on i saw storm troopers as the best soldiers in the star wars universe so when everyone made storm trooper jokes i never found them too funny.

[@notyou2353]

That's how they're supposed to be perceived. They're terrifying shock troopers, the marines of the empire. I get annoyed at the, "tHeY cAn'T aIm" line, too.

[@gorkemaykut5230]

@@notyou2353 I'm not a fan or an expert of starwars lore but when you get played like a fool by some alien monkey with primitive tools it's hard to take them seriously. But it's kinda movie problem in general.

[@JB-yb4wn]

You would think that they would have blown open the door and chucked some grenades in, that's what us primitives would have done.

[@thejarric9660]

to be fair they fought there ship crew with pistols still empire did win most fights

[@WelloBello]

@@goctexas1444 They didn’t though. They turned the tides on them. It just didn’t matter when the Death Star’s shields went down. The Ewoks only got the jump on them through surprise.

[@burbthemediocre4353]

It’s funny cause whenever people try to prove stormtroopers can’t aim they show clips of them missing the main characters in the deathstar even though they literally say they were ordered to miss and let them escape

[@Idazmi7]

What about the scenes on Bespin where they still can't hit anyone even though they _weren't_ ordered to let them escape?

[@leosl6876]

@@Idazmi7 they just wanted to capture them

[@Idazmi7]

@@leosl6876 Then set blasters on stun and capture them! 😒

[@aspenyoung2914]

yeah then we just had several more movies and tv series all made after the OT where stormtroopers still cant hit anything, on god saying storm troopers can shoot is copium, combined theyve maybe managed to hit 4 things total.

[@WitchKing-Of-Angmar]

You know damn well that you have so little to defend your point. Also what are doing at night, fighting everyone on stormtrooper aim quarrels. Get a life.

[@Lanosrep]

And then we go to Jedi fallen order and stormtroopers have a literally 100% hit rate

[@lucasoreidopunho3556]

"Only EA video games are so precise."

[@AnaseSkyrider]

I take it to reflect the fact that Kal is weak as fuck. Also, they're actually not 100% hit rate. You can dodge them just by running around, but the bolts are somewhat "realistically" fast.

[@alecratterree9576]

Anase Skyrider Cal isn’t weak though for someone who only got training through till like 12-13 he fought and defeated two inquisitors and a Jedi knight that fell to the dark side. He also managed to escape not one but two engagements with Darth Vader which in my book means you’re either lucky as hell or you have some fighting skills

[@lucasoreidopunho3556]

@@alecratterree9576 That's true, like, Ani was 9 years old and that was too far in age, so he's actually a good Jedi.

[@amirhaikal8304]

@@alecratterree9576 or both

[@UmbaranMilitia]

Man, stormtroopers have insane aim, unless obviously some imperial commander tells them to not injure or kill some high value target or something, like on the Death Star

[@seankrkovich2869]

Why were they even shooting? Just wrestle them if you're not gonna actually shoot them.

[@UmbaranMilitia]

@@seankrkovich2869 because they might shoot you if you try to wrestle them, so naturally the stormtroopers didn’t fire back for the sake of just scaring the rebels away

[@seankrkovich2869]

@@UmbaranMilitia They might shoot you if you start shooting at them.

[@thedon6079]

@@seankrkovich2869 You're a little slow dude. Would you rather have a gun against someone shooting you or just your fists? not to mention you can still wrestle even if you're bringing a gun. You're acting like a gunshot will 100% kill the person if they're hit by it.

[@seankrkovich2869]

@@thedon6079 I mean, they clearly aren't intending on injuring them in any way. The gun is kinda useless if you don't plan on landing any shots

[@REAPZ18]

technically storm troopers arent the grunts. they are the elite. the grunts are the normal imperial army troops right?

[@highadmiraljt5853]

Rodrigo Rubio Like the ones in Solo?

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

High Admiral J.T. Yes

[@Terenin]

Yes they are. The Empire had standing armies on all worlds with a population of note, and routinely sent regiments of said army troops to any nearby hot-spots they needed dealing with. Stormtroopers were defending only top-line installations of note or very important worlds, otherwise they would be on ships ready to be deployed wherever required. That's why it's stormtroopers (and navy troopers, the guys in black on the DS) on the Death Star, that's why the stormtroopers of the 501st storm Hoth, that's why they do the fighting on Bespin, that's why they defend the Shield generator on Endor and so on. Rebels have a tendency to want to hit important targets, thus they run into Stormtroopers a lot more. Had they gone and started or supported a more drawn-out terrestrial war, they would have to deal with Army troopers primarily. Well, until the empire realized it was a well-organised rebel force, then the Army would get stormtrooper backup.

[@darthplagueis13]

@Shreyas Misra Well... The Clones were a pretty damn elite force to be reckoned with. Like, if you can basically clone anyone it isn't that much more expensive to clone a professional fighter rather than just some dude. Not to forget that the clones started getting their combat training before they even got out of their diapers. Storm Troopers may not always be as capable as Clone Troopers but the Republican Clone army should not be considered even remotely average. One Clone was worth several B88's but they had to be. It still took several years to get a clone soldier ready for the battlefield whereas a droid could be manufactured in days, if not hours. Storm Troopers represent the peak of normal human performance that can be achieved by regular training and outclass the other armies of their time, however it would make sense that someone who was literally born for the job would not be able to fully understand the struggles of a regular recruit. But compared to Rebel troopers they still have better equipment, a more coherent training and represent the peak, the cream of the crop of imperial recruits. Rebel units on the other hand are mostly made up by local militia and volunteers, they receive some basic training but don't really have centralized training facilities and their gear is just about what command could get their hands on. They owe the majority of their victories to guerilla style combat tactics, trying to ambush the enemy forces and making as much use of the element of surprise as possible. If you compare the battles of Endor and Hoth the strengths of each faction become quite apparent.

[@ivenotwatched1episodeofnar71]

@@darthplagueis13 The clones are far from elite

[@lobstermacsansbro477]

It's also important to note that in the movies our heroes aren't exactly killing machines and are usually running FROM stormtroopers. Luke, Han and Leia spend a lot pinned down behind cover taking shots at troopers trying to advance on them. They get a couple hits on guys in the open but usually its just enough to buy them some time. one of the things actually really like about the original trilogy is how it feels more like an adventure movie than an action movie and the heroes really aren't unstoppable bad-asses.

[@narutardkyuubi]

It’s important that the stormtroopers still be felt as threatening. Yes, the heroes could probably take on a few, but there’s a good number of stormtroopers and they’re established as being quite competent. It’s so scenes like Luke and Ben having to cross the checkpoint have gravitas and tension; if the troopers were treated as useless goons, there’d be no tension since, if they discover the droids, the heroes aren’t in any danger and obi wan wouldn’t even need subtlety or the mind trick. The stormtroopers need to feel like a threat, so that the strengths and triumphs of the heroes feel meaningful

[@project4061]

One throw-away statistic from Star Wars Battlefront II is that Stormtroopers on average hit their target 75% of the time.

[@blastech4095]

For precision fire on the Battlefront (or any live shootout) 75% is very good (but it can not account for any suppression fire, and is probably derived from smaller-scale skirmishes as opposed to the larger battlefield). It's about twice as good as what is achieved by real-world armed cops in actual firefight scenarios on the street.

[@ilikepigeons6101]

That line from Han Solo's mission in the campaign?

[@Benthesniperof8]

@@ilikepigeons6101 yeah from the data analyst.

[@richardched6085]

I would have had the guy say "Contrary to popular belief. Stormtrooper Accuracy is only 25%!" This would account for all the missed shots (typically less than 4) against any main character before getting blasted themselves. Obi-Wan Kenobi could also have been referring to the Clone Troopers of his Era as he wouldn't know anything about Modern Stormtroopers. But since the damage is there... the Stormtroopers obviously have comparable aim.

[@killian9314]

That's incredibly high

[@smoggyimpala9934]

0:08 everytime I watch this scene I look for the guy hitting his head

[@ordikaskirita5234]

Watch the guy in the hall of tantive4 firing into the ceiling spastically. Bob please observe trigger safety

[@yaboytroy357]

That probably takes more credit for their “dumb” reputation than poor aim does

[@thehypest6118]

@@ordikaskirita5234 do you have a time stamp?

[@ElectromagNick]

@@yaboytroy357 That and the Ewoks. But every depiction of the Ewoks basically make them space Viet Cong, and wvwn then if Chewy didn't take the walker, it could've gone very differently

[@banatul6367]

The moment he sais "bumbling", the Stormtrooper bumps his head

[@adamkuch9377]

For Obi-Wan's line, I read it in the context of comparing the accuracy of Stromtroopers to Sandpeople. I think he was referring to blast points on the Sandcrawler. While Sandpeople attacking a Sandcrawler may just aim at random points, Stormtroopers would know the most vulnerable points on the vehicle, and concentrate fire there.

[@WastelandArmorer]

Sand people hit a moving pod racer withing a few shots in Star Wars 1 with comparatively Crude bolt action rifles.

[@bobuscesar2534]

Sandpeople have literally hunted in the desert for multiple Milleniums. They wouldn't have survived for that long if it wasn't for some kind hunting tactics.

[@wesleygaray2666]

Don't sandpeople use slug throwers not blasters

[@andrew_yuen]

precision vs accuracy

[@adamkuch9377]

@@andrew_yuen I'm actually unclear on the difference when it comes to firing a weapon. In drafting, precision is just the number of decimal places. 1.5432 is more precise than 1.54. Accuracy would be about how correct the number is.

[@duncanwalden7867]

You know I’ve noticed a surprisingly large amount of people forget the fact that there was a tracking device planted on the millennium falcon. Fun fact of the day: The stormtroopers weren’t hitting on purpose.

[@Niribu]

What university to you graduate from? Stormtrooper academy

[@Jason-fo5xu]

I know for a fact obi wan definitely did not graduate from engineering university seeing as he's confused between "accuracy" and "precision"

[@xEcuador1]

Jason lol nice grammar kid

[@flare9757]

I know I did.

[@YEAHKINDA]

@@Jason-fo5xu Literally any field dealing with science would teach you the differences.

[@theinternetgoose6247]

Well, of course, he's from Stormtrooper Academy. Only a Stormtrooper could count those shots with such accuracy.

[@creberuswang766]

Vader’s Storm troopers are supposed to be the star wars equivalent of special forces

[@michaelkeha]

More US marine than special forces

[@Malt454]

Here's hoping the U.S.'s best troops don't run into stone-age teddy bears anytime soon.

[@creberuswang766]

michaelkeha I mean Vader’s personal detachment

[@colingraveley]

Dane Powless wait until you hear about Battlefront 2 campaign mode

[@triciaf61]

They did in 'nam.

[@alexanderbeck9337]

“Benefit of cover” most of them are just standing in the hall

[@jeffbenton6183]

Some of them were standing in doorways going sideways to other room or taking some advantage of the bulges in the walls or the turn in the hallway. They have SOME cover, not much but some. All the stormtroopers have are other stormtroopers.

[@seamuspink9098]

Just being the defender of a chokepoint gives you an advantage

[@thepope2412]

Ever played xcom?

[@jeffbenton6183]

@@thepope2412 yes! freakin love that game. Looking at that shot in A New Hope again, I was just thinking (some of these soldiers have "partial cover", most have no cover no one has "full cover"

[@wampachomp5120]

Lol

[@haveagoodday556]

Here the thing though: You measured accuracy in a close quarters situation. That doesn't excuse the rebel incompetency, but it does mean that accuracy could be expected to be far higher. You have to remember that most are fought outside, not in small hallways. Soldiers of the Civil War took 200 shots to kill someone because they were across a field.

[@stR33tfighT3r16]

Here is another thing though CQC is waaaaaaaaaaaaay harder because all side have advantages of choke point so the pressure is on in CQC compared to sitting in the very back popping off shots hoping you hit them If you need proof play battlefield one then play rainbow six siege you’ll see

[@ImperialGuardsman2]

In short, this should have been an overwhelming victory for the rebels. Yet they were wiped out in seconds. Therefore, if this fight is any indication, the stormtroopers are a legitimate force to be reckoned with.

[@luthercampbell3058]

You may have some argument there. Stormtroopers are the primary marine units and assault troops, and engaging in CQC is basically what they're trained for.

[@bavarianpotato]

Also in open combat, most shots aren't even fired at a precise target. Loads is just "there's a squad taking shots at us somewhere over there, hit it". Suppressive fire to keep the enemies' heads down. And in case of the Civil war: Most soldiers were using smoothbore muskets, very inaccurate weapons. Anyways, that hallway scene doesn't make too much sense in how it played out anyways. In reality, the moment the door opened both sides would've been chucking grenades. The rebels all bunched up in that corridor would've been blasted. I also doubt the storm troopers would've gone for semi-automatic fire at that range.

[@ImperialGuardsman2]

@@bavarianpotato not to mention that musket balls were notorious for losing velocity at roughly 50(?) or so meters, if memory serves.

[@bestdadbondrewd6246]

The stormtrooper aim joke is so overused it's almost cringy

[@ThorfinnSonofThors892]

I agree.

[@handcraftedgetget2918]

They even used it in the Mandalorian...

[@bestdadbondrewd6246]

@@handcraftedgetget2918 Twice...

[@handcraftedgetget2918]

For real...

[@mrstation6905]

IKR I usually talk about the fight at the begging of a new hope when people say that

[@pudlordtynan919]

Precision. They're good together. Accuracy. They're good alone. Quote. "Only imperial stormtroopers are so precise."

[@ECHenry]

That's a good point. Unfortunately, we really can't study the effectiveness of individual stormtroopers. But they've been known to get good hits in.

[@pudlordtynan919]

This was mainly meant as a goof, however if you wish to take it a tad seriously. To train a large group of grunts to fire together and adequately falls right into the more worse tactics that created the TIE fighters. They get the job done so who cares? That's how I see it at least.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

@@ECHenry I also like to assume even as a young child that there some HUD or targeting system in the helmets that helps with that accuracy.

[@KristoffDoe]

I know a different definition: precision - how close individual shots (by one or many shooters) are to each other; accuracy - how close individual shots are to intended target.

[@FekLeyrTarg]

There are a few on-screen cases where single Stormies are pretty accurate. In ESB, one (assumed) Stormie hits C-3PO. In RotJ, one hits R2-D2 and another hits Leia on her arm.

[@Imperial_Novatrooper]

I have been saying this for YEARS *YEARS* THANK YOU

[@xaayer]

Same here!!

[@bizu953]

But.. the clip he mainly compared where the accuracy and aim was, those aren't stormtroopers, their 501st clones. And clones were meant for war, and even at an old age like they are in the universe, can still hit better then any normal Stormtrooper can

[@Imperial_Novatrooper]

@@bizu953 Bruh no. One, the 501st is a unit of the Stormtrooper Corps, there is no distinction between them. Two, the grand majority of Stormtroopers, the 501st not excepted, were by the time of Yavin enlisted natural-born humans-- most of the clones had either died in post-war pacification conflicts or been retired due to genetic deterioration. The Stormtroopers are presented as the Empire's elite in the films and the text in all three entries of the OT, and, I'd argue, Rogue One, supports this.

[@Tinfoil_Hardhat]

@@Imperial_Novatrooper When going by legends, much if the 501st were still clones. Though, of a lesser quality and not all Jango Fett clones. It is true that most were just regular people, but the 501st was still the best, just as it was during the clone wars

[@bizu953]

@@Imperial_Novatrooper no, Vader's Fist is made up of 501st clones, it's actually canon

[@sErgEantaEgis12]

Also one thing that doesn't seem to get brought up often about Stormtrooper combat effectiveness is that some of the Rebels (wearing only clothes) seem to go down from glancing blows, while Stormtroopers only seem to die from direct hits. Also one Stormtrooper checks on a fallen comrade, implying they might just be wounded (otherwise there's not really any point in checking on them if a hit is a 100% guaranteed death). In the EU it's mentioned that Stormtrooper armor "dissipates" blaster energy which merely knocks Stormtroopers unconscious.

[@richardched6085]

In Legends the Stormtroopers that boarded the Tantive IV were 501st Clone Veterans and the best Recruits the Empire had. In Canon the 501st is entirely made up of Recruits who apparently have higher performance than average Stormtrooper Units. For all we know the Alderaanian Consular Security are even worse shots than Stormtroopers. Alderaan is a (Supposedly) Peaceful planet and the Galactic Civil War had just started. So beyond the 1 Survivor of Vader's recent rampage I bet those Rebels had little to no combat experience. Rogue One however clarifies that many of those Rebels we see were actually Crewmen of the Profundity (The recently lost Flagship of the Rebel Alliance) and it had presumably seen some combat before The Battle of Scarif so there might be a few veterans in that row of Rebels. Those Stormtroopers had to have been the best of the best to be assigned to Vader's Personal Legion. Clones or not they had to have some experience with fighting Insurgents.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

That and the 501st have all personally had training time with conducted by Vader himself.

[@richardched6085]

@@lukasperuzovic1429 imagine Vader as a Drill Sergeant. Lol The commander of the 501st at the time often questioned Vader's orders without getting strangled indicating that Vader valued his opinion and may have even trusted him. Vader respects those who fight on the front lines and absolutely despises incompetent officers. He actually gave Ozzel many chances for 3 years before finally killing him for incompetence. So I could see him being harsh to Stormtroopers. But fatalities would be low or non-existent.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

@@richardched6085 I remember a recent Marvel Comic of Vader, Vader training a small group of Storm Troopers in hand to hand combat (they had on their version of PT gear on). Vader was going to spar with them, all one on one. Vader giving the troopers a speech about doing something unexpected to your opponent when a Random Trooper runs over and hits the off switch on Vader's Chess computer. Vader looks at him self then the trooper, turns the chess computer back on and say "What rank are you Trooper"? The Trooper replies back "Private my Lord". Vader replies " Not any more Sargent, NOW never do that again".

[@richardched6085]

@@lukasperuzovic1429 damn.... I wanna see that! Lol

[@kabob0077]

@@lukasperuzovic1429 Vader sure taught his troops the basics of CQC.

[@sweetmamaschili4051]

>Opening scene is a complete steamroll >They let the heros """"""win"""""" on the Death Star "Lol stormtroopers are do bad hahahah"

[@twilightzoneseinfeld]

^This

[@malkuth2293]

haha losers haha :)

[@nathanjora7627]

Sweetmamaschili Well... They didnlost against Teddy bears. I mean, it’s hard to take them seriously when we’ve mostly seen them either win, but by firing an absurd amount of shots whilst in presence of Vader, or lose, against less numerous and technologically advanced enemies.

[@thekazoogoesnoot945]

Nathan Jora the thing about that fight was it being an ambush, let’s talk about another ambush the Star Wars universe, let’s say Order 66, in that movie, we saw a fucking YOUNGLING kill about three or four Clones head on, but the Jedi council died when they were caught off guard, if the Ewoks fought them without stealth, stormtroopers would of steamrolled if we aren’t considering plot armor Edit: corrected a few things

[@Carlos-ne3zf]

@@thekazoogoesnoot945 shit was pretty much space Vietnam

[@themolasser9110]

Stormtroopers: **misses main characters with plot armor, but mows down random rebels** Everyone: haha trash stormtroopers can't aim Random Rebels: **can only hit a couple stormtroopers** Also Everyone:

[@mostafaahmedibrahim2541]

I mean look at rouge one the strom troopers are incredibly competent in that movie

[@themolasser9110]

@@mostafaahmedibrahim2541 most of the competence came from the death troopers tbh

[@themolasser9110]

Why do they make stormtrooper suck everywhere besides the original trilogy?

[@maguspie9543]

@@themolasser9110 you mean everywhere besides the opening scene of the first movie?

[@themolasser9110]

@@maguspie9543 And endor, the ewoks got the jump at first with the traps, but the stormtroopers were winning the battle overall.

[@TarsonTalon]

I think there's one factor we aren't taking into account here: The Stormtrooper Legion assigned to Darth Vader is the 501st, and they are the ones who boarded the Tantive IV according to 'Star Wars: Battlefront II'. Many of them are still clones. It wouldn't surprise me if the quality of Stormtroopers on guard duty are of a completely different quality than the Stormtroopers they use in active assaults. After all, so long as they had their armor on, who could tell the difference? The Stormtroopers on the front set a terrifying example, so the populace doesn't realize the Stormtroopers stationed around them are actually idiots. So just by standing there, despite not having good combat skill, the populace is suppressed.

[@ohnoes3084]

well, you can very clearly see the Stormtroopers who boarded Tantive IV were of different heights, so they can't be clones

[@MysticEagle52]

But they aged, and also not all are ex-clones, but many were

[@ohnoes3084]

but they would all age the same, still staying the same height, plus it was shown that many of them were of different heights too, so maybe 1 or 2 clones but the rest were normal

[@FMK03]

Clones age twice as fast as the normal human. They would have been over 60 years by that point.

[@robertryan7528]

@@FMK03 whattt do they reallyy

[@mihailazar2487]

Before watching : Now I KNOW I see that title and think it's completely ABSURD, but, at the same time, I also know, Henry will have me walking away from this video, having completely changed my mind

[@a.morphous66]

‘Tis the Henry way.

[@TheVeritas1]

True. EC did a great job proving being a Redshirt in Star Trek isn't the instant death sentence as presented in pop culture.

[@Gunnar001]

He didn’t change my mind. All this proves is that the Rebels on the Tantive are ridiculously terrible shots. Stormtroopers aren’t anything special. They win by just blindly charging the enemy with superior numbers.

[@agchains78543]

@@Gunnar001 But they didn't have superior numbers while coming though that tiny chokepoint, and they are twice as accurate as our most accurate soldiers in history. The data doesn't support your viewpoint.

[@Gunnar001]

@@agchains78543 Again, all that proves is the accuracy of the Tantive crew was utterly pathetic and they sucked at defending. A horde of Stormtroopers were point blank firing down a narrow hallway filled with even more incompetent enemy targets and they managed to hit some of them. So what? They did nothing impressive on the Tantive based on what they were facing and the conditions. And this "twice as accurate as our most accurate soldiers" claim is laughable.

[@hk-4738]

Agreement: You show excellent logical skills... for a meatbag.

[@Ahrone1586]

Hk 47

[@TherealHK-47]

Accusation: Imposter.

[@hk-4738]

@@TherealHK-47 Statement: Charging weapons, just in case. This should be fun.

[@azazel5518]

I'll grab some popcorn real quick.

[@TherealHK-47]

HK-47 Statement: I shall correct the makers folly of trying to duplicate engineering perfection

[@suzumiyaharuhi3438]

Let me stop you right there with the "100,000 shots to kill one target" claim. Such claim was made by dividing the number of casualties with the number of ammunition consumption, but it completely overlooked the factors such as: 1. Heavy ammunition consumption during training. 2. IRL soliders apply a lot of suppressive fire towards the general direction of the enemy, and they will keep firing even after the targets were already dead. After all, it's not like they got a kill count notification popping up every time they scored a kill. 3. More often than not when soliders were hit by bullets, they don't really die outright and many of them would receive proper treatment. For instance, as of June 29, 2016, according to the U.S. Department of Defense casualty website, there were 4,424 total deaths (including both killed in action and non-hostile) and 31,952 wounded in action (WIA) as a result of the Iraq War. As you can see, the previous calculation would drastically underestimate the hit ratio. 4. Ever since WW1, artilleries had replaced guns as the NO.1 cause of death in conventional warfare, meaning that a lot of times the enemies would be dead long before they can even get to the range at which a rifle can accurately hit them when they were in cover.

[@roadhouse6999]

You make a point that I most certainly agree with, but I'd still guess it takes an average 10-15 shots from, for example, an M4 Carbine, to kill an enemy at 300 to 600 meters.

[@Verbose_Mode]

This is an excellent point, and realistic video games reflect this. In more authentic shooters like _Insurgency_ and milsims like _ArmA,_ anyone with accuracy ratings over 20% is a high threat, and someone who gets over 50% is someone to be outright feared or is a camping wuss who only fires a handful of shots in a round. Both those games it can be difficult to identify kills, and a lot of "misses" is just ammo being expended into a position obscured by debris and cover... often at a dead combatant. Since suppressive fire also can be effective in those games that also skews accuracy; _Insurgency_ is kind enough to note the number of enemies you suppress in a round as well as kills (it counts assists as kills as well).

[@sam23696]

This is simply an argument for why statistics don't mean everything and why a more detailed analysis is needed to verify claims. I like to think everybody watching this has an understanding of that, and when it's mentioned that it takes 100000 shots to kill one man, versus 200 shots from 200 years ago, we are aware of the nuances involved and the fact that it's just "shots fired"/"kills". I don't think anyone realistically imagines a single soldier in Iraq hiding behind a wall as 100000 bullets pummels the wall until eventually the last round hits and kills him. I also don't think anyone is going to use the above statistic to claim that a civil war musket is over 500 times more accurate then a modern M4 assault rifle. It's just a way to establish a ballpark.

[@sowianskizonierz2693]

@@sam23696 Don't forget that his reference point for stormtroopers and rebels is like a couple meters away meanwhile militaries engage anywhere from like 50-300 meters

[@clone3_7]

@@sowianskizonierz2693 Indeed a very small area and only one instance...

[@designationc6042]

If the Star Wars movies didn’t give plot armor to the main characters they would have all been killed in the first movie

[@DanTKD87]

In the books most imperials are crazy accurate.

[@Dankdalorde]

“Make way for the boys in white!” I wish they were seen as average soldiers just doing their duty.

[@psychopunk8817]

The problem was most average soldiers weren't Stormtroopers. Almost all stormtroopers were picked because they showed more aggression towards Aliens , excelled in combat, and showed complete devotion to the Emperor. If you were just a regular soldier you'd be more likely to be a stationed on your local planetary defense force. At least that's how they were originally imagined and described as, but after the disney purchase they've been watered down and made the butt of a million overused jokes.

[@ericolsen5592]

@@psychopunk8817 Actually, Disney made this idea canon and most of these jokes were a thing LONG before Disney purchased it.

[@psychopunk8817]

@Fedce That's just a blooper that Lucas thought was funny so they kept it in.

[@Ranstone]

By that mentality, Nazis were good-bois. In Mỹ La, Vietnam, when told to kill unarmed civilians, US soldiers turned on their superior officers, and in glorious heroics, gunned them down. many obeyed orders and started killing civilians, leading the the US troops engaging each-other. The American heroes who died and killed to defend innocent "enemy" strangers were the true warriors, not just pog fobbits who mindlessly follow orders.

[@Dankdalorde]

Fedce well...ok I’ll give you that.

[@ModernJedi83]

THANK YOU! I have been saying this for literal years, in many discussions with my friends. You have vindicated my point! bless you!

[@lorekeeper685]

Love the pfp and name

[@meistersego]

Yea the joke about stormtroopers being terrible was funny at first but it got SO annoying because they were what struck fear into the galaxy

[@JonatasMonte]

2:26 This is something the video games don't seem to get.

[@a_literal_brick]

Storm troopers miss because it is the will of the force. Rogue One confirms this.

[@knightsolaire5341]

Must have been frustrating for those deathtroopers trying to figure out how they weren't hitting some guy slowly walking across the battlefield

[@-007-2]

Sun Bro 1 - I always took it as they are shooting at other people behind him and didn’t see him as a threat as he was unarmed and not aggressive. Remember they weren’t privy to the rebels plan so they wouldn’t see his moving towards a communication control panel as a threat. They probably thought the rebels were trying to enter the bunker via the door they got pinned down at.

[@knightsolaire5341]

@@-007-2 idk about, baze or blaze(the dude with the red armor) was the only one left, all the other rebel soldiers were dead

[@LordVader1094]

Tbf, on the Death Star, Vader and Tarkin straight up say they were told to miss so the Empire could track them to their hidden base, which leads to the finale. The same logically applies to Bespin, as Vader wanted the main cast alive to draw Luke out. Those are literally the only two times we see Stormtroopers miss all their shots. Even on Endor they hit Leia and R2-D2.

[@Imperialstorm03]

@@knightsolaire5341 I don't know why, but I always liked to imagine that Chirrut Imwe was actually using Force Cloak and only we as the viewers can see him and the Death Troopers were just firing at the people behind him and it wasn't until Chirrut opened his eyes when he suddenly became visible thus allowing said Troopers to open fire at him, one blow ending the poor Force believer.

[@Ryan-mech-muffin]

I wish The Mandalorian would stop playing on this trope. ... Now this video is the way

[@Antichristredeemer]

This is the way

[@Hivedragon]

Yeah I so hated that from an other wise great show.

[@LockheedRep]

I mean he does get hit fairly often, his armor is just as strong as plot armor

[@wizardofsabertooth6483]

@@LockheedRep his armor is made of beskar, which mind you, can deflect lightsabers. blaster bolts arent gonna work

[@adamdevlin9207]

@@LockheedRep nah he has beskar armour.

[@andritoxin]

They are actually accurate but plot amor protects the main characters

[@yomeroyomero]

2:35 thumbs up if you thought he was gonna say "it seems like the average storm trooper takes about six shots to take down a rebel scum".

[@notspectre1051]

"Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise" isn't precision and accuracy different?

[@calebweatherly5268]

You are correct, Precision defines how accurate one is.

[@W4rm0ng3r]

Accuracy is hitting the target you are aiming for, while precision is hitting the same/near the same spot several times. If I am shooting 3 shots at a bullseye target and all 3 shots land near each other on the right side of the outer ring, I am not very accurate, but I am extremely precise.

[@benjaminwilliams2859]

@@W4rm0ng3r my favorite example is the exact opposite, if i aim for dead center of a bullseye and fire 3 rounds, if they ring the very edges of the bullseye i am 100% accurate, but horrifically imprecise

[@swornsword1083]

@@benjaminwilliams2859 But that's wrong though... Precision is getting about the same result multiple times, accuracy is getting about the same result that you expected/wanted multiple times.

[@benjaminwilliams2859]

@@swornsword1083 That is exactly what this example entails. You expect to hit the bullseye and do, and with perfect firing conditions you expect to hit it at exactly the same place, yet in the example you're "ringing" with 3 bullets which approximately describes an equilateral triangle. Whose angles are points around the circumference of the bullseye, which means it is literally as imprecise as possible while still remaining 100% accurate.

[@pushabug_923]

And considering that the storm troopers are hip firing most of the time while the rebels aim most of the time

[@thisgamer2791]

Good point

[@miaththered]

They were literally told to not shoot them. and holy shit I was first, HELLO SEMPAI

[@kyodairiker]

You weren't first

[@richardched6085]

Then please explain Episode V and Episode VI. I doubt they had such orders in those films.

[@themadladorian4364]

Then why are they shooting and not stunning them ? What's the point of chasing them to let them escape ?

[@richardched6085]

@@Doctor7681 Leia noticed that the Imperials let them escape. This is most apparent when Han Solo was chasing a group of Stormtroopers down a hallway until the troopers turned around and fired back (With a whole army behind them in the Special Edition).

[@blastech4095]

​@@themadladorian4364 The Princess figured out their escape was impossible. Only Han Solo really thought he could be that good. Princess Leia: *They let us go. It was the only reason for the ease of our escape.* Han Solo: Easy? You call that easy? Princess Leia: *They're tracking us* Han Solo: Not this ship, sister. Remember after they few away from the Death Star only four token TIE fighters were sent after them, basically on a suicide mission (being so woefully outmatched by the much larger Falcon). Governor Tarkin: Are they away? Darth Vader: They just made the jump into hyperspace. Governor Tarkin: And you're sure the homing beacon is secure onboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work.

[@raptalos9412]

Ok, but the First Order sucks at training their troopers

[@SamuTheFrog]

Yeah dude, they literally are just canon fodder for the good guys

[@captain-chair]

The First Order Stormtrooper is a poor mans copycat. The First Order's Engineering core is more skilled then the Empire though, cause they did the Argentina thing.

[@holyshades6462]

Finally, I now have evidence to defend Stormtroopers with a reasonably sound argument. I've always identified with the Empire more then the Rebels for some reason and always found it frustrating having people make fun of Stormtroopers so much. I mean if Stormtroopers have such bad aim how did the Empire maintain fear and control? It totally takes away from the intimidation factor of the Empire.

[@kjj26k]

"...for some reason." Bruh you may be fascist. How do you feel about change?

[@gmailquinn]

White armor in a forest or desert is not scary it's funny

[@holyshades6462]

@@gmailquinn I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that while your being crushed by an AT-AT.

[@gmailquinn]

@@holyshades6462 log trap and quicksand mate

[@holyshades6462]

Ariel bombardment mate.

[@thefiresworddragon927]

"The INHUMAN Accuracy of Stormtroopers… After Episode IV"

[@matthewkonig5273]

Those were clone troopers, they were designed on the planet kamino, but when the empire took over, kamino stopped supplying them with clones who's only thoughts were to fight. So after they ran out of clones, the empire would just take babies from an early age and train them into Stormtroopers.

[@matthewkonig5273]

@Ramsay Sanders in the force awakens, it was said that Finn was taken as a baby and made into a stormtrooper

[@matthewkonig5273]

@Ramsay Sanders and again, kamino stopped the clones from being made

[@kiryu-chan8415]

Matthew Konig If I remember correctly, it was The First Order That did that, not The Empire. I could be wrong but I'm sure I’m 80% correct.

[@matthewkonig5273]

@Ramsay Sanders they are still Stormtroopers

[@pierrecoufinn7460]

EC Henry: Stormtroopers are super accurate Everyone: "Unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way."

[@archsteel7]

The Empire wins every ground engagement in the entire series (not including anything from the comics), prior to Endor. The only place where you can actually argue the Stormtroopers have bad aim is when they lose to Ewoks which I... Frankly cannot justify even a little.

[@koshi6505]

Tiny little brown targets surrounded by trees. Also don't forget, the rebels lost to the Ewoks too.

[@tragedyplustime8271]

Ewoks were originally Wokiees. So instead of thinking of them as teddy bears, think of them as mini canniballistic Wookies which are fighting against vastly underprepared Imperial forces, alongside the Rebellion's greatest veterans.

[@AZDfox]

I mean, the US lost in Vietnam. And the Middle East. It's kind of like native guerrilla fighters have an advantage in their home terrain.

[@rapatacush3]

@@AZDfox guerrilla with actual firearms like the ak wich is way better than the m16 the usa used not stick and stones besides vietnam had the urss suplying then with weapons.

[@laisphinto6372]

the vietnams werent tiny teddy bears that swarm your position in thick forest, also they had to deal with the rebels and the ewoks

[@justas423]

The only weakness of stormtroopers is the theory of narrative causality.

[@avoughtf4u-4corsair19]

That moment when you find out that the Stormtrooper's poor accuracy was all a lie

[@SiliconPower74]

Like communism

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

It was rebel propaganda

[@no-gracias9863]

I love democracy

[@mikuhatsunegoshujin]

no u

[@no-gracias9863]

@split haven it's a joke

[@christopherlarsen7788]

Uhg! The old myth of 100,000 rounds to kill an enemy soldier in WW2 and it's equally ridiculous claim of 50,000 rounds to kill an enemy soldier in Vietnam is just really, really bad data. Like, utterly useless information because it was based on (a.) all small arms ammunition to train US troops inside the USA, as well as (b.) additionally training, zeroing, and familiarization fires conducting in combat theater. Finally, (c.) this data only looked at the enemy DEAD and not the enemy total casualties, including wounds. After all, not all "hits on target" produce fatalities. For example, when enemy TOTAL CASUALTIES are calculated into ONLY the ammunition fired in combat, we see accuracy climb dramatically to 84 rounds fired by US troops per enemy casualty. Now, if that sounds like a lot of small arms ammunition fired to inflict a single casualty - it is! But this statement ignores the dynamic of small unit battle in which covering fires, suppressive fires, and counter-suppressive fires all play a critical role in allowing a unit to subdivide in order to gain a better angle of attack against an enemy opponent. What is very telling is that unlike covering fires, suppressive fires, and counter-suppressive fires...well-aimed shots almost invariably produce an enemy casualty! But in the dynamic of the battle, a well-aimed shot is a rarity that both opponents vie for through a combination of fire and maneuver. And guess what? The ratio of ammunition fired to produce a single casualty hasn't changed all that significantly over the past 200 years. Studies done during the Napoleonic era showed that even when soldiers stood shoulder-to-shoulder and fired en masse at ranges of just 40 to 60 meters...they still only achieved a very low percentage of battlefield casualties, typically in the single digits of percentage of combatants. Of course, the technology was dramatically different then, but our tactics have kept pace with our technological advances in weaponry, and it is TACTICS that mitigate high volumes of fire and produce the lower rates of casualties inflicted by small arms.

[@Kesiif]

Suppressing fire That's it

[@williamhall6651]

Dont forget that most soldiers aren't REALLY trying to kill other people. After WW2 the US did a study that showed something like 80 % of green troops aim high on purpose. Killing just isn't easy, even with pack mentality to quench the guilt. The IEF Stormtroopers are conditioned to not feel remorse or second guess their orders. They BELIEVE in the Empire. Thats why you see their suicidal tendencies when chasing MCs through the death star.

[@alpha2761]

Yeah his whole argument is misinterpreted, he's comparing amounts of ammo spent in different situations with a close cuarters battle, there's no comparison.

[@jackie520]

Damn I didn't expect to see you here ! I'm a fan of one sheperd.

[@procyonwave1327]

Christopher Larsen fair play sir. I understand nothing about warfare and you are clearly very knowledgeable in the topic and have taught me something that I didn’t need to know but is still interesting none the less.

[@superfire6463]

In the clone wars show, some Jedi is shot by a droid like 6 ft away, and it misses by approximately 17 light years. So really, the clones aren’t that bad

[@amirhaikal8304]

Compared to stormtroopers? Clones are gods. Trained from birth and very disciplined clone troopers are the very inbodiment of competent soldiers

[@ararepotato1420]

The clones are stupid good! Like down right broken! If the stormtroopers are e-sport pro's, the clones are cheaters with aim bot!

[@superfire6463]

@@ararepotato1420 ……are you like talking about in the lore? Or in the show?

[@ararepotato1420]

@@superfire6463 Both.

[@superfire6463]

@@ararepotato1420 the animated clone wars show? On Disney +? Taking place after the second prequels movie and before the third?

[@killerrrr35]

1:08 "So here we have a number of rebel soldiers, with the benefit of cover" *Standing in the middle of the hallway and behind allies*

[@jeffbenton6183]

Not all of them, some are in doorways and such, and no one is right in the middle front and center.

[@AgentNintaku]

Stupid Cringy Um Guy Those allies were supposed to make good cover. They didn't.

[@grenadeout562]

*_partially_*

[@Jack-nn6gn]

comrades =/= cover

[@Laerei]

@@Jack-nn6gn Human body is pretty effective at being a cover, even if a bullet makes it through it has likely lost enough momentum that it won't hurt you much. And we ain't talking about bullets here, them lasers have far less penetrative power so a humn body is even better cover than it is against bullets. Comrades are the best cover!

[@lkvideos7181]

Listen, I really appreciate your work Henry, really do. But I have to be *that* guy. 3:01 - 3:37 is nonsense. I assume that statistic is why you came to your conclusion, but you mistake it for a realistic reflection of a soldiers' accuracy in specific situations, or in general. A professional soldier can successfully engage targets at +300, sometimes 500 meters, while under stress. But usualy engagements take place at +/-100 meters, and usualy both sides utilize cover. Your example here, the fight scene in A New Hope, takes places in very confined space, at incredibly close, almost point blank range, with little to no cover whatsoever. Both sides are showering eachother with projectiles and missing. That is physicaly impossible in real life. Especialy when one side is forced to squeeze through a tiny choke point. You suggested that one rebel could have been enough to stall them for a while. Yes, that is actualy what would happen in real life if the enemy just tried to blindly bull rush through that door. If the attacking force instead filled that hallways with a dozen or two flash grenades right after blowing up the door, than yes, that would have made *FAR* more sense.

[@timtanner2365]

So a better comparison would be close range police engagements. Which compared to imperial storm troopers it is in most cases still abysmal depending on what precinct you look at for statistics.

[@lkvideos7181]

​@@timtanner2365 Ok, Stormtroopers vs police. The avarage police officer's primary weapon / self defense tool is a handgun. A Backup weapon such as a smg, rifle or shotgun usualy remains in the squad car and is rarely or ever deployed. The police officer can, but in many icircumstances does not wear a plate carrier or any other type of protection. The Stormtrooper's primary weapon is the E-11 blaster rifle which comes in semi-and fully automatic setting. Every individual Stormtrooper is fully clad in composite armor, that is essentialy also a hazmat suit. Though that armor is primary designed to protect against energy bolts, not solid projectiles, it's still proteciton they wear all the time. On top of that, the helmets they wear, have a butt load of functions, including target assist and the ability to even see through smoke screens. *tl;dr* It's hardly a fair comparison in terms of equipment. Now, proficiency: Police officers are trained to use and hit accurately with their issued weapons, but they are not really expected to be marksmen or excell in shooting. There are SWAT teams and snipers for that. Stormtroopers are supposed to be rigorously trained marksmen. Yet they won't hit the broad side of a barn, as evident in the movies, as well as tv shows. "SW:Rebels" being possibly the most extreme example for that. When you look at real live footage of shootouts, specificaly policemen chasing down and shooting armed criminals or vice versa, in most cases they end pretty quick.

[@timtanner2365]

@@lkvideos7181 The handgun vs blaster argument is moot due to the blasters being fired on the semi automatic setting for the duration of the scene referenced in the video. I'd like you to show me one police department in the U.S that has their police roll the streets with no body armor. Body armor has no bearing in the conversation anyways due to the fact that we are talking about accuracy. Saying something is "hardly a fair comparison" in this case is just lazy. Here's why, he is judging storm troopers against rebels, rebels would receive comparable if not more training than a police officer in marksmanship. Your qualm is that he used the military statistics because it accounted for training rounds and suppressive fire and that's a totally fair problem. The police statistic takes out suppressive fire and training rounds. That is the best benchmark to judge both sides off of. Police are 100% expected to be marksmen with their weapons. However, the real life statistics of police involved shooting show that no amount of range time prepares you for combat (which is why the rebels would realistically underperform). The reason that stormtroopers underperform in the shows and movies is because it wouldn't be very fun to watch 5 minutes of intense action then all the storm troopers standing over the dead protagonists.

[@lkvideos7181]

​@@timtanner2365 Sure, but it's a feature and option. Current canon also largely stripped the disadvantiges established in the EU. Now E-11s have cooling systems that prevent them to overheat (or as easily) when going full auto. Gotta also keep in mind that a single cell can amount to hundreds of shots. Good point. I'm not up to date with U.S. federal law. But here in Germany for example, you don't see that so often despite the increase since 2017. In many if not most other countries those things are largely or completly neglected. "No bearing". To me it does because from the POV of the Stormtrooper, he is in a very advantigious position. He is aware that their force is completly superior, especialy with Vader fighting on their side which is a huge moral boost. On top of that he and his buddies are almost completly clad in armor that disperses most type of small arms fire, and direct hits would in most cases only incapacitate them. That might be just enough overconfidence to think it's ok to charge through a choke point like that and not expect too many or any casualties. So you're saying, when you take out those redundant or negligable factors, the avarage policeman is still less accurate despite hitting the target, compared to the Stormtrooper rarely even hitting anything ? Now a good counter to that would be Rogue One, where the Imperials do kill quite a number of rebels with accuracy especialy with the arrival of Death Troopers. But not before the rebels kill scores of them first and both sides utilized cover in that battle. Personaly if we disregard that the Rebels in the fight scene referenced in this video, were very lightly armed ship crew that were probably not as well trained in combat as frontline soldiers or all the specialised alliance units, I'd say overall the Rebel Alliance had better soldiers. Part due to many highly skilled and experienced defectors. Based on what I've seen personaly, and heard from people who served in law enforcement, either they don't spend enough time to get more proficient with it, or are instructed poorly. When you see police officers down range wrist limping etc, than you figure, it's not isolated problems. Yes, obviously combat experience is the only thing that will prepare you, and the 501st in particular was a unit with very extensive combat experience and honours. Yet they underperform against basicaly stationary targets that were briefly stunned by the explosion. Well yes, I know that's the main reason. But in reality such things as plot armor / hero plot armor, don't exist. I know it's not fair, however it's the only visual and physical evidence we have. The rule braker really being Rogue One, and Obi Wan claiming in A New Hope, that Stormtroopers are accurate ah.

[@UnfunnyFigs]

It's literally star wars which you can compare about .5 percent of anything to real life

[@russianinvader2560]

Facts: storm troopers are really accurate. Plot armor: I'm about to end their whole career.

[@ASB117]

ANH they were ordered to miss. Other films they win most of the ground engagements, only exception is when they are vastly outnumbered. Plot armour doesn't affect storm troopers.

[@QualityPen]

@@ASB117 That doesn’t even remotely hold up. I can give you over a dozen examples of Stormtroopers missing shots anybody should have been able to make with both eyes closed. When they win engagements it’s almost always either through overwhelming force (numbers or superior vehicles) or it’s against disposable extras who need to die for the plot to proceed. The boarding action in ANH is just about the only time we see any substantial competence from Stormtroopers.

[@amirhaikal8304]

They actually not end careers but lives as well

[@gpgpgpgp1000]

It is amazing to read the statistics about how many rounds are fired in combat without hitting anyone, or even how many rounds are fired without even the intention of hitting anyone.

[@ThatOneGuy46696]

There's something I gotta ask you. Whatever happened to that video where you plugged star wars fighters into a virtual wind tunnel?

[@CassDaMan1138]

When ever they make an Imperial Perspective film or TV show and the fans complain about the Troopers not being blind morons I'll refer them to this video thanks.

[@TheVeritas1]

Fan films have proven Imperial troops are no joke. Watch TIE Fighter sometime.

[@CassDaMan1138]

@@TheVeritas1 bruh, already ahead of you ha ha

[@fiendwithoutaface6833]

I need to rewatch (I think it was called) IMPS The Relentless again sometime.

[@LordVader1094]

@@fiendwithoutaface6833 They released a new Chapter a few months back in case you didn't know.

[@fiendwithoutaface6833]

@@LordVader1094 Really? Thanks.

[@CarmineKar98K]

*Looks at Title* Me: Am I reading this right?

[@williamhall6651]

Me too man. But hey, numbers don't lie.

[@williamhall6651]

Try using a laser pointer to hit a target, you'll find you probably need a second to zero in to EXACTLY the point you want. Also some of those STs are blind firing from cover. It could be assumed the lead troopers are the only ones doing the actual killing, and using even fewer shots than estimated.

[@greyskye3513]

I know this is late, but I'm honestly really glad you made this video! I grew up as a walking Star Wars encyclopedia and nobody would ever believe me on how accurate Stormtroopers actually were because all they had ever heard was the jokes. My family would still never listen to me even if they watched this video because that's just how they are, but at least I feel validated on one of my controversial Star Wars opinions. So thank you for this highly informative video, I enjoyed it greatly ^^

[@chickencrafter812]

I also grew up as a walking Star Wars encyclopedia! And after all the memes and the newer shows making them REALLY incompetent I was so happy to find this video!