The Injustice Movie is GOOD Actually

[@GodzillaMendoza]

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[@Robin_Is]

Ok.

[@Dripymaz]

Hey really like your Spider-Man retrospective videos. Watched them when I was back in middle school, still come back to them when I’m in college now. Always gives me a good laugh.

[@Robin_Is]

@@DripymazYeah, those are fantastic.

[@failuremlg8746]

To be fair, for wonder women I’m pretty sure they release a Origin story that was altered so that Steve, was a Nazi spy that tricked her(I’m 99% sure but it might have been for something else but I don’t feel like doing the research) great video tho 👍🏻

[@oiergallegoss4161]

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[@t.rexking441]

I enjoy the Injustice Comic but I am so tired of people bringing it up and acting like every single Superman has the potential to become Injustice Superman (this view can be disproven just by reading “Kingdom Come”)

[@dougwalker8068]

I think Superman vs The Elite is also another example from my recollection

[@misterdewott8766]

Hard hard hard HARD agree

[@DeathLore]

@@dougwalker8068He went full Sephiroth mode in that movie.

[@EhvinnTee]

Maaannn I feel the same. I LOVED My Adventures With Superman! Perfect season! But when Lois is looking at the Multiverse Supermen and she's like "Not every Superman is good" I was like 'please... please don't...' haha I'm so tired of the Evil Superman trope.

[@BugsyFoga]

@@EhvinnTeeI feel like even the show points out how tired the evil Superman thing is, with the general being so convinced Superman is the enemy, when Clark proves that to be otherwise.

[@khalidhamed8843]

The problem I have with people and stories that say one more bad day is all it takes for any hero to become a villain is that they forget that it’s wrong. Like the point of the killing joke, the story that everyone points to as prove, is that the Joker is wrong Batman and Gordon both prove him wrong at the end.

[@JamaalDaGreatest]

Characters always have extremely bad days, characters like Batman, Spider-Man, the Flash, Invincible, etc etc. that’s literally their defining trait. That despite what happens they always try to do the right thing.

[@wdcain1]

I'll give the Injustice comic one thing in that we see Superman gradually dissolve from an emotionally hurt man at first to being the fuhrer by the start of year 3.

[@MilleniumKage]

They’re alternate universe stories, not the main continuity. It’s a “what-if”

[@Zaire_39]

Daredevil proves this wrong everyday. I fucking hate that ‘One more day’ shit

[@wdcain1]

@@Zaire_39 It's BS from a medical standard. Doctors can make a timeline when the trauma starter.

[@nerdwarp112]

Admittedly Injustice was my first time seeing the “evil Superman” concept so I thought it was a novel idea at the time, but I’ve grown to appreciate that Superman is just a good dude.

[@TitularHeroine]

For some reason this comment made me inordinately happy 😊

[@anothermark2082]

Honestly, same. The more I read about Superman, the more I realized that he's just someone with a good heart, who's just trying to do the right thing. His super powers aren't what make him impressive, it's just him.

[@comicalcosmonaut959]

It def has made me appreciate Clark as a character more. To know that most times, he still has his wide eyed optimism and genuine kindness and humble nature despite his godlike status is very sweet

[@alexisislas-gonzalez5991]

@@comicalcosmonaut959he is not an alien, not a god, he is just a man from Kansas that’s doing the right thing.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Yeah really shows we take Superman for granted we should be lucky he’s a good man instead somebody like Homelander.

[@Shellshock39]

I love how so many people completely misunderstood the point of the Killing Joke. Do they not realize that Joker was wrong? People bring up Killing Joke to prove that Superman becoming evil isn't out of character, not realizing that Joker was actually wrong. Like, he didn't break Gordon. Ordinary people don't crack, Joker did.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

And Killing Joke tries to emphasize that by showing the joker snap back to reality for just a second. When he says "why aren't you laughing?" he looks genuinely sad. He has a moment where he realizes that he's not actually right. that batman isn't going to see things his way. That maybe he is just a sad lonely man who took things too far. That he isn't funny.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 The joker realizing he's not funny is always a treat to see. I love in BB: return of the joker when Terry starts making fun of him, which plays on the fact that Terry is way more talkative then bruce, and joker starts cracking. People need to realize that The Joker isn't some "sigma male alpha" who's actually right, the whole point is that he can't get the joke. Even in the Dark Knight, the most harrowed performance of the joker, by the end Bruce calls him out on the fact that no, not everybody's as ugly as him, he's alone.

[@tylerbertram7065]

​@projekttaku1753 the Dark Knight has ruined DC comics for me.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@tylerbertram7065 the movie?

[@tylerbertram7065]

@@ProjektTaku yes

[@ConorCarlisle]

I think all of this comes from a fundamental misunderstanding people have when it comes to The Killing Joke. In that story Joker claims that everyone is "one bad day" away from becoming a monster but the story itself is meant to show that his belief is wrong. Too many people seem to take Joker at his word that people's spirits can be so easily broken and that's why stories like Injustice become so popular.

[@ProjektTaku]

Same with The Dark Knight. By the end its proven that people won't blow up the other ship, that not everybody's as ugly as him, he's just alone.

[@radrno7]

Well the end of that story leaves it open for interpretation so no one can be sure if Batman really gave into Joker's mindset or to his philosophy. People like to believe the "killing" part means that Batman killed Joker, BUT it's really about how much of a "joke" are Batman's idea of justice and Gordon's idea of righteousness. There's no point in either of them trying to prove Joker wrong, because a murderer just did something that ruined Gordon's and daughter's lives forever and the one responsible is just gonna return to jail the same way he was before, learning nothing out of it. In the end, it doesn't even matter which one is the outcome, because Joker wins regardless of Batman's choice. That should be enough to kill Batman's ideology.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@radrno7 But it doesn't tho. Batman and Gordon persist. Joker lost. Its not about changing gordon's life or ruining barbara's, its about making a man crack and see the funny side of life. But they don't. Batman doesn't see the funny side. Batman and Gordon's Justice and righteousness aren't the joke, the joker's whole ideology was.

[@notthefbi7015]

@@radrno7Its really not open up interpretation. You just misunderstood the entire comic. The point was Joker wasn't in on the joke.

[@radrno7]

@@ProjektTaku Joker loses? He goes in and out of prison whenever he wants because he knows he can and nobody can do anything about it 'cuz they believe in "justice" that he will stay in prison and pay for his crimes or get rehabilitated, both of which he never does, so there's no point in them "going by the book". Either way, Joker got Barbara paralyzed and made her father believe she got r*ped, they'll both have to live with that forever and, instead of killing him to stop this from happening again, they just put him back in prison to repeat the whole cycle again. THAT is the Killing Joke, how not killing someone like him and believing what's "right" is such a poor taste joke that anyone could go mad like Joker by realizing this while the real clowns are the ones thinking they're doing good by just locking him up. I'm not saying Joker is right and that everyone can go mad after one bad day, but that the story leaves it open to interpretation, just like how he likes to leave his origin ambiguous, and in the end, Joker just made fools out of everyone in their own ideology, because he can and they'll just take it for granted.

[@clankypick8178]

They actually do explain why Wonder Woman is so bloodthirsty and ruthless in the Injustice universe. Admittedly, it doesn't come until the Injustice 2 annual in 2017, but there is an explanation: Basically, in the Injustice universe Diana met Steve Trevor during WWII. He crashed on Themyscira and convinced Diana to join him and the Allies in the war and Diana joins him and fights the nazis and they fall in love (kinda like in the movie only with WWII instead of WWI). But then one night, Steve gets caught trying to steal the lasso of truth and accidentally kills a guard. Diana then uses the lasso on him to ask why he tried to steal it and he reveals he's actually a Nazi spy and while he loves Diana, he loves his homeland more. Diana becomes devastated by this and admits that while she loves him, he killed an Amazon and fights for a side that has committed unspeakable acts on innocent people and she cannot forgive that. She declares that as an amazon it's her sacred duty to defend the world and that she will defend it from Steve before killing him. After this she becomes much more cold and ruthless in her mission to protect the world, which eventually leads her to joining Superman and his regime. Now, should this explanation have come way sooner? Yes. Do Diana and Steve still feel out of character with this origin? Yes. But it's at least SOMETHING to explain why she is how she is in the Injustice universe.

[@radrno7]

Wait, so Steve was a n4z1, and in order to help his side, he convinced a goddess to help him fight his own side? That seems... pretty stupid.

[@superthorc6894]

@@radrno7n4zi are not know to be smart

[@juliusbossman7280]

You would think Wonder Woman would compare the fascist Superman having an army of all black armor soldiers and controlling everything with a certain enemy of World War 2 but no, she goes along with and encourages it. That comic didn't make sense and just made her more of a hypocrite

[@DavidRYates-tk2tq]

​@@juliusbossman7280 well, to be fair, Superman's Regime isn't fascist. Fascism doesn't just mean authoritarian, it's a specific form of right-wing authoritarianism with focus on scapegoating which eventually inevitably leads to genocide, usually with the intention to protect capitalism from its own failures and anticapitalist labor movements/revolutionaries. Superman's Regime is this weird "centrist authoritarianism" thing, like Authoritarian Liberalism or anything, Idk, it's hard to get a sense of the economic philosophy/character of Superman's Regime except, perhaps, preserving the status quo.

[@kbowman772]

That's not a good explanation. That would mean that she was either never the Wonder Woman that we knew and was never the kind of person who could get close enough to Clark to be his rebound girl or she got over it once but chose to enable Superman when he had his one bad day.

[@javierpupo8042]

They say power corrupts. "Absolute power corrupts, absolutely". However, Superman as a character directly opposes that notion. What Superman represents is not that power corrupts, no. Power does not corrupt. Power *reveals*. Those with power are revealed to show who they truly are, whether they truly are "men" (like all the superheroes with "man" in their name) or a monster. And its a fine line between conveying that monstrosity as just humanity in pain or true psychopathy.

[@draykohunter6805]

Perfect

[@astrobat1638]

Yeah. Like how Jon Osterman was a chill scientist who was going to marry his girlfriend before becoming Dr. Manhattan. And Dr. Manhattan basically became someone who doesn't give a shit about what the world would become because he wants to be in peace and quiet.

[@society7394]

2:23 invincible has a lot more to it than just “evil Superman” because it fully embraces the stories and classic tropes of comics, just not pulling its punches in terms of how dark and bloody being an all-powerful superhuman could be.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Well, show seems to dumb down a lot of things, so expect that being the focus.

[@Koolyaroo]

I’m sure He knows

[@ShauryaSriram]

Okay nerd

[@Andyjoe522]

The best way I've seen it put is that Invincible isn't even an evil Superman story. It's a "What if Superman was Zod's son," story.

[@RazorusR3X777]

​@@ShauryaSriramOkay nerd

[@redchariot4006]

Yeah is a shame Kingdom Come doesn't get as much attention as Injustice. It is literally the better Injustice

[@mateopaez1020]

They can both be good?

[@GenericProtagonist118]

Injustice had the Mortal Kombat devs attached to it, that's why it got popular.

[@AverageYoutubeViewer123]

Glazer

[@Azhiru]

Because, at the end, Injustice is annoyingly cynical while Kingdom Come is actually hopeful and still has Clark doing the good thing?

[@Subject_Keter]

I can never understand what the hell happens in that book and real talk, Superman would of NEVER let the new Generation of heroes be that degens. Made the Elite seem like normal people.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Good stuff! I didn't hate the animated movie, but hearing you lay out the actual theoretical reasoning for the changes it made from the game/comic makes it all that much better to me. I hope the folks who made that movie see this video, for all the time they no doubt spent working everything out.

[@ibannash]

Doesn't change the fact that the story sucks.

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@ibannashnaw, it made it better. The comics suck

[@ibannash]

@@whateverwhatever4476 Both suck.

[@joshstephens413]

@@whateverwhatever4476 Nah the movie sucks. Source material is best by the very nature of it being the source material.

[@rugion5138]

​@@joshstephens413💀

[@Lazerlight1212]

I always felt like what separated Injustice Superman from the other evil/dark versions is that it was that Lois's death was by his own hands. Not directly from a villain or a disaster or whatever, even though he was seeing a warped reality caused by the Joker, it was still him that killed her. And that was what truely set him off to become a villain, unlike other version like Kingdom Come and what not. Just something I've always kinda taken from the story is all

[@kidprime6863]

Not only that, but Injustice Superman, by extension, killed thousands of people in Metropolis because the Joker placed a trigger in Lois' heart that was rigged to a nuke. And once her heart stopped, it set it off.

[@dewmdoomie1730]

I still doubt it would really set off kingdom come superman if that ever jappens to him though, no matter how bad it is.

[@Islamphobe]

@@dewmdoomie1730the only rule that is really consistent among all supermen (or at least should be 99% of the time) is that he does everything in his power to protect humanity. Even red son superman who was you know, evil and communist was at heart still superman. What makes an evil superman is when he goes about protecting humanity in evil ways. Let’s say all this was enough to just get him to kill the joker. Now he’s not only justified killing on the basis that it protects humanity he’s also stopped joker from ever doing anything like that again. It’s not extreme for him to then go around killing other disgusting villains that aren’t that far from the joker on an insanity and potential threat level. Everything is a small growth from killing the joker so while the end result is very far from what seems in character if you watch this happen step by step it seems logical. You can see a similar pattern with someone like Adolf Hitler who didn’t Just go from happy citizen to wanting to take over the world.

[@nqk_0662]

Technically speaking there’s more to it

[@dariusporter358]

Bruce: Crime took my family to Clark Clark: You weren’t the gun.

[@tylerbertram7065]

All I can say is thank god for Superman and Lois and My Adventures with Superman for bringing back the more heroic and optimistic Superman.

[@ljpark7108]

Ikr

[@mr.moviemafia]

That’s exactly why those two are my favorite adaptations of Superman. They helped finally make Superman one of my favorite superheroes, and why Superman: Legacy is my most anticipated comic book film for the foreseeable future.

[@gibbs615]

Amen to that!👍🏿

[@khizeryusufzai2185]

You forgot Superman and Lois. That handled it well. Especially with an alternate unhinged Superman who does try to redeem himself but gets himself killed

[@tylerbertram7065]

@@khizeryusufzai2185 I just said Superman and Lois

[@zaxreg6418]

I always hated that even though there was multiple points in the game where the evil versions interacted with their normal selves and they outright say they would never do what they did regardless of the jokers actions, people still act like the main characters would do this, its like the collective fanbase of injustice just decided to ingore major aspects of the story to suit their nihilistic garth ennis narrative that all superheroes suck, this story has a few issues yes but the fans around it made it so much worse by acting like this what should be normal instead of an elseworld

[@archivist_13]

Can't say I'm surprised that the worst part of Injustice is it's fandom

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Ah yes the worst part of Injustice the fandom. But tbh Injustice just sucks.

[@DINOBOT_THE_REAL_ONE]

​@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 iyo

[@ljpark7108]

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265ong

[@assassin8636]

So what are you trying to say here

[@SourRobo8364]

The biggest problem with the Injustice movie is that it's too short. I don't know why WB is so insistent that all their animated movies be less than 90 minutes and give them a such a miniscule budget.

[@beasley1232]

Bruh someone needs to kill Injustice Wonder Woman on god 💀

[@griz312]

That was my biggest pet peeve of the movie. While I agree some things needed to be changed from the comics to fit better into a movie I still think the movie copped out big time making Ra’s Al Ghul the primary antagonists second to Superman.

[@ProjektTaku]

The Sentry and Red Son aren't really evil tho. The Sentry is about a hero confronting his dark past and is more based around duality, plus in the end of the original story he ultimately makes a heroic sacrifice, and Red Son is more so a misguided Kal who eventually becomes the hero we all know him as.

[@NaiHmee]

Invincible is not even about evil superman. Nolan is a vastly different person from Clark. He in the end learn to value life as much as Clark did, but willing to sometimes kill and do what he will as necessary.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@NaiHmee Honestly, he's really more like General Zod pretending to be Superman. The closest Superman is actually The Immortal, who's like a Vandal Savage & Superman amalgam.

[@comicking428]

Injustice also had a negative impact on Batman. He wasn't evil, but it just showed Boon and WB's favoritism to make him the lone survivor and moral consciousness of the JLA, and the second game felt like it was written by a Batman fan who believes he can beat anyone, prep time or not.

[@parkerboy795]

Really, the whole thing made him seem like a self righteous hypocrite instead of incorruptible.

[@somethingwithultra7231]

Really would've actually been interesting (as much as Batman fans don't like it for some reason. Despite HIM being very much afraid of it too.) An Alternate Injustice where it's Batman rather then Supes would've been such an incredibly compelling version on it's own. You could potentially still even keep alot of the same depending on most versions. Like having a conflict between a Batman who's lost it, while a Superman who still tries to be his hopeful self ironically continually tries to persuade him would've been really heavy hitting.

[@darthcinema4262]

For me the Injustice comics, games, and this movie character assassinated just about everyone.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Injustice is another Thing that really makes so called batman fans beat his meat I swear.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

@@darthcinema4262 Same bro. Literally none of these characters would do this shit.

[@DWolf2099]

The reason you don't like the story of Injustice and the majority of people online, it influenced a lot of people who NEVER read comics to think DC characters are like this, but the game shows how the OG characters are supposed to be like. It's the typical big companies seeing the surface level of why a project does well and running it into the ground. Also at 24:16 you use the art that's supposed to be Prime Earth Superman and not the dictator one.

[@GodzillaMendoza]

Editor Ben's never played Injustice. My apologies. He will recieve three lashings for this error.

[@DWolf2099]

@@GodzillaMendoza Jeez, no need for you to be dictator Mendoza

[@envy-15545]

@@GodzillaMendozathree lashings is too kind.

[@DWolf2099]

@@frogglen6350 no it didn't, Wonder Woman would never side with a Superman who acts like that. And Superman wouldn't crush in someone's skull because they accidentally hurt someone.

[@ch4rliegaming]

I think the Injustice Movie shows us a potential great ending of the first game, Wonder Woman actually acknowledges that what Superman is doing, is wrong, and the fact that they extend the time of Grayson and that a Lois from a similar Earth actually convinces Clark to stop.

[@BugsyFoga]

I’m glad stuff like my adventures with Superman and the upcoming legacy is phasing out the “evil “ Superman stuff we’ve been dealing with for about like a decade.

[@ProjektTaku]

Eh, I'm honestly not sure on MAWS. Its cute but I feel the villains are weak and have their most interesting parts stripped down, along with downright weird choices, like Ivo being parasite despite him being known for Amazo and there being like 50 parasites in the comic, and mxy putting on his classic hat only to immediately change it into something else. Really I feel Superman: Earth-One is a better modernization of Superman and showcasing why he works, whilst reinventing many aspects.

[@BugsyFoga]

@@ProjektTaku I can see where you’re coming from, but honestly just glad having Superman who isn’t doom and gloom all the time.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@BugsyFoga fair, but there have been a lot of those over the decade. Synderverse and Injustice are just 2 of many Supermen.

[@BugsyFoga]

@@ProjektTaku Despite that, those two in particular had big impact on people perceive Superman as character, believing there’s nothing interesting about “Boy Scout “ Superman, when the latter option misses the point of him entirely.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@BugsyFoga I guess, but there's also being defining Superman stories since, aside from MAWS, that have showcased "boy scout" Superman. Like, have we all just forgotten about S&L? Also injustice I wouldn't say misses the point of him entirely when they bring in the main Superman and have him beat evil Superman.

[@ytsuxmuhd4998]

I never saw it as Superman being pushed a little too far, even though thats what everyone (including rhe game) says. Before the events, Superman is in a heightened state of euphoria over the news of "going to be a father soon". Hes so over the moon he goes over to Gotham to tell Bruce, but Bruce already knows. It's such a wholesome broment. Then Batman tells Superman that Joker's loose and plannin something huge, and Superman isnt even phased. He's over confident the heroes will win like always. Then Doomsday attacks, and Jokers got a nuke set to blow, and the heroes cant find it, but it's all cool cuz Supes is here. He takes Doomsday and 'dispatches' him, only to find out it was Scarecrows toxin making him "think" it was Doomsday. Instead he just killed his wife and unborn child. And the bomb goes off. All because Superman didnt take the Joker seriously enough when Batman warned him. So that was 1 mistake he was gonna fix. For good. I think Supermans mindset here goes a bit beyond having just a bad day. Not saying hes justified, but he didnt get just a little too angsty at the clown and snap for good. He became insecure. Lost his confidence, but kept his mask. He's Superman, and he has to be Superman. By any means. And THEN there's WONDER WOMAN! You wanna blame someone for the rest of the events, she kept goading and reassuring Superman's poor decisions. Reaffirmed the things he thought while in such a dark place.

[@ZB3003]

The reason why Wonder Woman is so psychotic in Injustice is because her origin is significantly different, with Steve Trevor being evil. Shame the game didn't establish that, though.

[@leviticusprime4904]

Well it’s nice that the game told us that /s

[@somethingwithultra7231]

Even then it's kind of silly as hell, but alas I guess it works... Injustice just having alot of painful awkward stretches in already established lore like that hurts though.

[@ZB3003]

@somethingwithultra7231 I think it makes sense, to be honest. If the one man you've ever trusted turned out to be evil, I'd be pretty jaded and cruel too afterwards. Especially towards mankind if I was an amazonian.

[@arctiwolf857]

​@ZB3003 then that makes Diana a misogynistic dolt who doesn't even understand the idea of patriotism or war. How does this make sense?

[@MeisterGeekMedia]

Diana being evil coz of her boyfriend is stupid she's a better character than that and I'm not even the biggest WW fan

[@CustodianVirgil]

I feel like this has kinda been a thing since Dark Knight Returns. While Clark isn't evil in that universe, he's still a push over. The whole point of Superman is his moral stability. We already know bullets can't kill him. It's about his resilience of temptation. Lois isn't the foundation of that. It's his humanity.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

It’s hilarious how no one actually seems to understand the point behind Killing Joke when they say “one bad day”

[@wdcain1]

One thing Grant Morrison did with the Flash in his JLA run was that due to Wally's hyper-accelerated metabolism made him super vulnerable to chemical attacks. Just one bit would drop him like an elephant. It was a good weakness to nerf speedsters. But that's been dropped ever since Geoff Johns' Flash run. Now he's so OP that Flash should never lose because of Speed Force nonsense.

[@alimations5226]

I thought it was like "his immune system is so fast that the effects of the chemicals pass right through him in a second"?

[@kingol4801]

@@alimations5226 Exactly. And honestly, yes, speedsters have very very very high ceiling of their power. And that is ok

[@jonathanathor117]

I don't think that how a super human immune system works. I think there are 2 possible weakness that flash have. The 1st one is inertia and by extension friction. The 2nd weakness of thermodynamics. Remember captain cold's gun doesn't work the same as mr freeze ice gun. Mr. Freeze ice gun is glrofied chemical warfare. Captain cold's ice gun is fucking around with entropy and potential energy.

[@tylerromo854]

Man you said it brother. I really do dislike how people see superman nowadays because of a few bad adaptations. As this unknowable emotionless god. Hes a farm boy from Kansas. Raised by two loving parents. For all intents and purposes hes human through and through. He just has alien heritage. If something like the beginning of injustice really happened he wouldn't go on a fascist killing spree. He'd mourn, seek justice, and help rebuild. Im hoping with James gunns reboot of the man of steel we can start to rehabilitate supermans image in the public eye.

[@darkknightfan7520]

Superman is just a regular guy but with superpowers.

[@t.rexking441]

I’m grateful that we now have a great portrayal of Supes in “My Adventures with Superman”

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@darkknightfan7520definitely not normal especially how bad are people nowadays

[@archivist_13]

I maintain that Injustice is a good story, it's just that a portion of the fandom missed the entire godamn point of it

[@1992holycrap]

Much like The Killing Joke.

[@archivist_13]

@@1992holycrap exactly

[@nqk_0662]

@@1992holycrap the book or the movie?

[@1992holycrap]

@@nqk_0662 Yes.

[@nqk_0662]

@@1992holycrap even bat man doing it with bat girl ?

[@misterzygarde6431]

They made Wonder Woman less of a monster, so I’ll give the Injustice Movie that. Edit: Imagine this, a story where Superman accidentally killed the Joker instead of Lois. It could be called something like “Miscarriage of Injustice” Is it wrong that I genuinely want to see The Batman Who Laughs and Injustice Superman be forcibly fused into a more horrific take on Composite Superman?

[@misterdewott8766]

That's actually sounds like an AMAZING idea!! I'd genuinely pay to see that haha

[@darkknightszy4674]

Lol that would be nuts and extremely stupid, they should do it

[@GenericProtagonist118]

The Composite Who Laughs.... brilliant!

[@HVVVVVVVV]

Given how much DC has put so much attention towards the Batman Who Laughs, Im surprised him and Injustice Superman haven’t met. That would be super interesting even if I don’t care for the two.

[@ProjektTaku]

all my homies talk about when Ultraman and Owlman fused into "Composite Ultraman"

[@leviticusprime4904]

I feel like people miss the point of the “one bad day” , that whole monologue that joker gives to Batman is wrong, because of Jim Gordon who went through his own bad day and yet came out on the other side still sane and good. So the whole “one bad day “ is meant to be proven wrong by the story itself

[@dante_0962]

And they treat like Batman killed the Joker even though he didn’t for two good reasons.

[@Jesse-yo7uw]

I binge read the entire injustice comic in my senior year of high school on my phone. I actually really enjoyed it back then, but probably because it pretty much acted as my introduction to the DC comics universe outside of batman. I know it's heavily flawed now, but I still have to give the comic credit for being the thing that made me fall in love with Green Arrow. I still think the comedy in the injustice comic was really good, and Green Arrow pretty much got all the best lines before he died. Very good video. I came in thinking I was gonna get kind of salty in a dumb fanboy way since I liked the comic, but no I pretty much agree with everything you said. Even as someone who hadn't read much comics before hand, I still knew everyone was wildly out of character. I just had the mentality of "As a completely isolated story, I'm enjoying it as-is, so whatever." But yeah, when putting this story up against the larger DC universe, it falls apart fast

[@ytsuxmuhd4998]

Honestly it only starts middling and bloating around year 4. Years 1-3 still have an ample amount of plot, suspense, and twists to keep audiences captivated/engaged/interested. Around year 4 everything starts to overstay it's welcome, and the attempts for shock come off as more of a bore. Idk that I'd say the writing for years 4 and 5 were subpar, I think it's just kind of hard to stretch out that much limited content when you've overplayed your hand in the first 3 years and have nowhere else to go. By then they were basically just tying up loose ends to make sure the comic fit the established game lore in the time frame.

[@creatingawesomestuffcas3454]

I'm Happy you enjoyed the comic. :D

[@kingol4801]

I would say that Injustice is a PERFECT comic to introduce DC universe, because it gives almost ALL characters time to shine. There are very few comics that feature all major (and some minor) characters and give them so much time and agency

[@alexandrefrauches132]

6:04 Respect your opinion but this was the major issue with the film. Yes Injustice comics can drag sometimes but they also take time to show Superman and the other heroes slowly becoming corrupt version we saw in the game. It wasn't "one bad day", but sequence of events, with Lois death being the starting point Even after her death, Injustice Superman tried to keep being a hero and protecting people using extreme force only as last resort. The lines he crossed were at first very small, like taking away weapons from countries ruled by dictactors or sending the Arkham Inmates for new prision. The problem is that those lines start to become bigger as Injustice Superman (now more bitter and being influence by others like Diana and Sinestro) starting to make more and more questionable decisions until he became this irredemable villain, seeking to kill not just criminals but anyone who dared to criticize his actions. His quest to create a "better world" became just a lie for Injustice Superman to justify his actions, which in the end are just attempts to avoid facing reality, that he wasn't a perfect hero and can't save anyone (like what happened with his Lois).

[@clankypick8178]

Thank you! Like you said, everyone's entitled to their own opinion but I swear at certain points in the video I was wondering if we even read the same comic.

[@PizzaTime1983]

​@clankypick8178, same. There were times I thought the same thing to. I used to read them as a kid. And to see this mess of a movie we'll yikes!!!!

[@BIGD-cc7ru]

I really liked the video trying to show a different view point of the movie and issues, but I still agree with what you said though.

[@randomman4628]

Im glad someone finally talks about how the Injustice universe just has shit happen for no reason with no pay off.

[@kingbash6466]

As someone who isn't that big a fan of the Injustice series in general, I kinda disagree on the movie being better than the comics. While the original run had its share of flaws, I at least appreciated that they took the time to show how slowly Superman's mindset became more corrupt and unstable. It wasn't just "one bad day" and he's "Superdictator". It shows how he slowly begins to break his own moral code and cross his line over weeks of time. In the movie, the same structure is there, but since it has to be told in a shorter timespan, his developmemt feels rushed and while I'm not against him learning to accept what's he's down and trying to better himself by the end, it's a little less impactful when he's more easier to push over the edge in the movie than in the comic.

[@jonathanathor117]

I mean year 4 and year 5 jumped the shark.

[@mylem6234]

Another example besides Kingdom come is action comics issue 796. Manchester Black refuses to believe that Superman would still be good if someone close to him die so he made Superman actually believe that he killed Lois. He even threatened to kill his Father, Mother and his friends. Even though Superman believes that Lois is dead he still refuses to kill Manchester Black since to him vengeance isn’t justice. This shows that the real Superman wouldn’t become an evil fascist just because he lost his wife.

[@The4thSnake]

The climax sounds like the finale of the Injustice 2 comic.

[@elitechaz8440]

SNAKE!

[@ofaznadarxmkiii8476]

Hm?

[@JimmyC1994]

If I could change anything about the movie. I'd change it to an animated show instead. More time to flesh out the characters and expand on some of the new ideas they had Could work with about six episodes

[@jacktoma21]

At least with the DCEU, Lois being killed just put Superman in a weakened state that Darksied was able to take his will with the anti-life equation. So evil Superman in the Knightmere future is just brainwashed/mind controlled Superman

[@FlippySuper]

So basically it’s the perfect movie for people who hated Injustice

[@PM-oh6er]

5:34 yeah he literally said he glad the people who like the comic and games hate the movie cause it made him like the movie more

[@kingol4801]

@@PM-oh6er I love comic AND the movie.

[@PM-oh6er]

@@kingol4801 were you making this video cause he said he didn’t like the comic at 5:34

[@facundomedina9762]

I think the two polar opposite Wonder Woman work because they have the Amazonians as an established middle ground. Regular Wonder Woman constantly defies the idea that humans are lesser humans who aren't worth helping and caring for. Meanwhile Injustice Wonder Woman leans way too much into that and believes that she is above them, which is why she takes the opportunity to plant that idea in Superman

[@LordProteus]

The problem with the story in general, regardless of its medium, is that Superman was, at first, completely right, but plot contrivance needed Superman just suddenly go insane and start mass murdering people for no reason. The whole story was one big Strawman propping up the artificial and erroneous "killing is always wrong" concept. Why do Murderers get to live and their victims not? Why do Murderers get protection and their victims not? And why, exactly, is Superman wrong, yet Harley Quinn, a literal Murderer, allowed to help Team Batman? It's never Black & White. Everything is Grey, but the story operates on artificial Black & White logic.

[@richardofredemption]

Technically the finale of Superman TAS had an evil mind controlled Supes by Darkseid. Hence why JL season 1 opener is set up. Josh Williamson’s run on Supes is incredible. Also the Action Comics run on/around Warworld is incredible sci fi epic.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Yeah that too. Same design as Brvae New World too

[@MrJedabak]

10:32 What I like about Injustice Wonder Woman is that it’s eventually revealed that in this universe her origin happened essentially in the same way as the movie, but Steve Trevor turns out to be a nazi, kills one of the Amazons and is then executed by Diana, which would of course change her trajectory and her outlook towards the world to be way more cynical and violent.

[@GenericProtagonist118]

Okay I get that.... she then willfully joins Superman's *regime* of dark armored soldiers with a red symbol plastered all over the world. I don't think they thought that detail out.

[@MrJedabak]

@@GenericProtagonist118 Well sure, but it makes sense that this Diana would think less of mankind, to the point where she would grow to despise them and want to end their violence by force and subjugation. She wouldn’t see them as worthy of kindness and love, she’s given up on humanity. She’s obviously a bad guy in this world, but I think she’s well developed and consistent.

[@grilledcheesinator55]

"False equivalence slippery slope pro-gun-" What the hell happened in that scene that pissed him off so much?

[@kingbash6466]

Barry holds a more conservative mindset than some of the others heroes like Oliver Queen. It's part of the reason why he's so hesitant on messing with the flow of time (until Flashpoint kinda change that part of his character so he's now just the guy people turned to in order to deal with timeline shenanigans). He's not often gonna challenge the status quo until push comes to shove. Even the game/comics demonstrates how him standing on the sidelines has caused so much pain to the world. It's why his redemption works because he finally stand up against Superman and fights for the opposite team.

[@briancoulombe4517]

8:50 I used to be in the camp of “if you go back in time to fix things, you might everything worse” but the past few years have really put a strain on that idea

[@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421]

@briancoulombe4517 "8:50 I used to be in the camp of “if you go back in time to fix things, you might everything worse” but the past few years have really put a strain on that idea" Ehhh... If I had the power to do so... I still wouldn't go back in time to try to stop all the terrible events that have happened the past few years... I look at the past few years as "a terrible lesson". Sure it was awful and depressing and tiring to go through all the terrible and unprecedented events that have happened the past few years, but we managed to get through them and survive them... I don't want any other future generations suffer through what we went through the past few years and that is why I think we can *all* learn from the past few years so that we aren't doomed to repeat the past few years. Best course of action is to learn from the past few years and continue to move forward in life instead going crazy trying to turn back time to try to change it and stop it from every happening because who's to say that once you go back in time and "fix" it all it just ends up happening again later on down the line and literally no one will have any sort of knowledge or experience on how to deal with the situation in a smart and strategic way because you went back in time and stopped the same situation from ever happening in the first place in the past with a short sighted and not permanent solution.

[@nqk_0662]

@@zerobullets6935 here’s the thing for me , it should always be random

[@devilord3271]

I think the reason the comic is the way it is is because it haas to do all the heavy lifting to tell the story of a fighting game, you know, the genre famous for its well thought out and well paced stories

[@agentumbra2374]

I never really had a problem with characters like Wonder Woman, Superman and Flash acting out of character because I never really viewed them as the main versions of them and I more viewed them in a similar way I do The Crime Syndicate but I can see why the idea of these being OUR heroes after a bad day can really piss people off.

[@Right_Bumper]

Remember when people thought Flash’s death in this movie was the worst that could happen to him?

[@devilord3271]

The virgin Injustice Todd: The Joker killed my wife, he MUST PAY and I'll make sure this never happens again by becoming a fascist dictator The chad Kingdom Come Clark: The Joker may have killed my wife, but it's not my place to inact justice on him, I'm not the judge, jury, nor executioner

[@tylerbertram7065]

I would kill for a Kingdom Come animated movie.

[@HumanB312]

You know the best version would have joker be sentenced to death for terrorist acts.

[@harlannguyen4048]

​@@HumanB312Well, he did try to blow up a building full of Middle Eastern officials after killing Jason Todd.

[@spawnytheistic]

I’m a massive fan of the injustice games. I’ve taken those games to the competitive level, and I even won a tournament one time. These games are very special to me, but I’d be lying if I said I ever cared about the story. I 100% agree with you Xavier. Also, please tell me you named Injustice Superman Todd because of what Todd Mcfarlane said about Superman on the autocomplete interview, that would be hilarious.

[@AndyDandyMandy]

My problem with the movie is that it has too many characters and plot elements from the comics for its short running time to handle, so you get things like the Good Superman coming in to fight the Bad Superman like in the game but unlike the game you don't spend any time with the Good Superman before he is brought over to fix things, so what was the payoff exactly? The movie would've been better off adapting just the first comic and streamlining things.

[@Loruthefan]

It should've been a trilogy

[@nyx8823]

04:55 people seem to forget that Injustice's Superman didn't only lose Louis, but also the entirety of Metropolis

[@MarioGMan25]

Meanwhile My Adventures With Superman is a literal active defying of Injustice supes, it's great.

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

Can agree with this

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

Can agree with this

[@damienlarson4145]

If anyone says that if Lois Lane die in any universe he'll become evil, just show them Kingdom Come.

[@zaragozrex]

I think the problem is that the movie came out at a time when literally everyone was sick and tired of the whole "evil Superman" trope and the "hero vs hero" story. It came out at the worst possible time and the inherent flaws that were present in the source material's story were highlighted moreso because, again, people were tired of these types of stories and were more than eager to rip this movie a new one. If this movie were to come out say, a year after the second Injustice game where it was still fresh in everyone's minds with better animation and employing the actual cast from the games, I think the audience would have been much more accepting of this movie, even if it does make Flash go out like a total chump.

[@assassin8636]

I mean don't some people like the herp vs hero trope

[@metalsilver7718]

I loved watching this video! I totally agree with everything you said, Xavier. I want more people to understand superman and the other great DC characters more often because they are more than just… “Unga bunga, me like blood-“ Flash is and will NEVER be a coward!

[@Better_Call_Bulba-Saur]

They retconned Injustice Wonder Woman's backstory in the comics to have Steve Trevor betray her instead. I guess they realized how out of character she was acting even for elseworlds standards.

[@rebal180]

I think the movie would've worked better as a two parter. The Regime still needed to be made and more heros would see what Superman is doing as necessary. In real life criminals like the Joker would be executed after the first offence but, in DC it takes pushing Superman or in some cases Batman too far to finally end him. Joker straight up murdered 10 people in his first comic book appearance. He only gets away with it in the universe setting because they think he's crazy but, he's not. He has proven that he knows exactly what he's doing. He just likes killing people. In reality it's just because he's the only villain in Batmans vast rogues gallery that fans are allowed to take seriously. There is no true good or true evil. Just people with the power to do whatever they want and the powerless that would abuse that same power if they had it. Which is why Superman WOULD be an evil overlord in real life. Because people with not even a 3rd of his power already misuse it all the time. No one is using Supermans powers to save a cat from a tree or stop a crime from happening. They would use them to spy on people. Heat or cool down their food and just generally bully anyone that talks a little bit of smack about them. Superman just giving up after Lois from another Universe talks him down is admitting that he doesn't deserve his powers because he misused them in the name of Justice and only now realizes that everything he did was wrong. Grey area Superman is what doesn't work. Because you don't cross that line and then turn yourself in.

[@Aivottaja]

In the comics, there is a story in which Lois being killed to make Superman evil is subverted. The Joker poisons one of his dolls that Lois kept as a souvenir. It causes Lois to seemingly soon die. The Joker tells that in order to create a cure, The Joker would have to be killed. Superman considers it, but Batman tells him he shouldn't, because it would destroy him. Which is what The Joker clearly states is the point of it. "You cheesed me off by meddling with my affairs. Normally I eviscerate people for that. But with someone who is invulnerable, things get a bit..complicated. So I figured that if I can't destroy you, I'd destroy who you are". Superman chooses Lawful Stupidity and doesn't kill The Joker. Lois seemingly dies. But then she instantly wakes up. The Joker's gag was that Superman would kill him and ruin himself for no reason.

[@Horrormaster13]

No, hard disagree. It was just bad. What this movie did to The Flash was a complete insult to the character.

[@geardog24]

They really didn’t have to kill off the Flash, just change the story a bit where he hasn’t fully mastered the speed force to go back in time, and when he tried to fight Superman (Todd) he lost and ended up getting crippled.

[@hayhydm]

fun fact, the flash in the injustice movie is voiced by yuri lowenthal, the voice of the spider-man from the ps4 games. i despise the flash dying in this way AND his story in the comic but they really wasted yuri.

[@breach4458]

I always prefer the comic of Injustice to the game I like how it started off with Superman having genuinely good intentions Just trying to protect people and his support system whispering his ear trying to corrupt him I think that is a different take although I do think the game's missed something in their stories by that 5-year time yet

[@Amado79193]

in injustice wonder woman is not a super hero, like you can’t convince me this woman saves lives or helps people. she feels like a straight up villain or at beast a very twisted morally righteous anti-hero. the DCAS wonder woman is the best adaptation of wonder woman imo. she’s compassionate and genuinely cares about everyone but still having that stern amazon attitude when it’s needed. if anything the bootleg version from invincible war woman is more like wonder woman than the actual injustice wonder woman. she’s just straight up evil in the injustice for no reason but to move the plot forward and manipulate a grieving out of character superman.

[@voicingdragoon7]

In defense of Flash, you could just had him alive but refusing to join Clark's side, didn't need to be a join him or die situation. I mean, who's gonna stop Flash from running off to do his own thing?

[@somethingfunny2199]

I think my favorite part about Injustice is how the comics adds pointless shit we didn’t need to see/know that contradicts elements from the game’s story. Then Netherrealm either ignores it or lightly adapts it

[@xsoultillerx]

my personal headcanon on injustice's divergence from the mainline DC canon (and that justice league's behavior) is that it's the DC universe that crossed over with mortal kombat in MK vs DC and the kombat rage virus from that permanently affected them. shazam/captain marvel's ending in injustice 1 and sub zero & raiden's interactions in injustice 2 kinda support this.

[@CZ-PC]

Cept Lex was a Villian in MKVDC

[@darkknightfan7520]

Injustice was never cool, fact. Edit: you’re a real brother for this video Xavier.

[@FullMetalSnorlax]

This video confuses me to no end because I've never heard ANYONE say they enjoyed the Injustice's story mode. Who on earth has been saying it started the evil Superman trend? There are wayyy more well known things that did it beforehand. Heck I didn't even know the movie was supposedly tied to that. I just heard it was, "yet another half-baked evil superman story, yawn".

[@SonicStantz]

“The Mighty” by Peter J. Tomasi is another one of the dozens of “What if Superman was EVIL” comics out there.

[@DIEGOLOKO82]

the movie is "bad" because they adapted the comics and the story and made it make more sense, which makes injustice fans angry because their dumb story only works when you turn off your brain

[@whateverwhatever4476]

Makes sense

[@agnosticorange8269]

Finally, Xavier uploads again after all these years!

[@TheHaloAdventureShow]

Essentially either it's the games, the comics, or the movie itself, the injustice universe is one of the biggest concepts of character assassination i've ever seen and still do not understand how it gets so much praise despite doing so much damn damage over a "what if" that the mainline comics have proven would not be how these characters act if they went to a very dark place.

[@ProjektTaku]

The games also establish that. They literally introduce classic Superman and have him beat evil Superman. While I don't agree with the bat-fanboying in the games, you have to realize these are very different characters from the main timeline purposefully. Steve Trevor was literally a spy who tried to threaten Diana so he could take some amazon's with him, and that's her first experience with men. That's why WW is such a prick.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@ProjektTakutbf i still doubt if they were into same position then -

[@ProjektTaku]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 wydm?

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@ProjektTaku just saying if they had same circumstances as well and those same heroes around him as well-

[@ProjektTaku]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 the main Superman? Not likely, he's shown to kind of have an unbreakable spirit, similar to Billy Batson's classic "pure heart".

[@baryony]

Banality and commonality of evil is actually well known in the world of psychology. Milgram's writing about it are quite interesting.

[@1amR3tr0_0]

He really stuck with the "todd" thing all the way through didn't he💀

[@DiscoBoi]

It's kinda sad when having superman represented as a good person in media is becoming the exception. I really hope that isn't how things are going, but still.

[@valletas]

How the fuck did scarecrow came back to life to join the injustice 2 roster? Thats what i truly want to know

[@francostevo9939]

The scene in the movie where Superman heat visions all the “teenagers” always bothered me. Those guys didn’t look at all like teenagers. Those were not teenagers. Seriously if you people say that he killed teenagers then goddamn it animate those guys as teenagers.

[@xharris8515]

I enjoyed the injustice comics as an independent story seperated from the main DC universe because thats what it is. It is literally an alternate universe and anyone who says that normal Superman would do the same in the same situation has never actually read the comics.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

Well it's so much where destiny kicks in imo Sometimes things are just meant to happen no matter

[@The-Endo-SymArmor]

Superman pretty much admitted in the first game that if put in the same position he might've had done the same thing as Injustice Superman.​@@ohhellwhereami2574

[@mittens-cat-lord]

Always a good day when Mendoza uploads

[@GamingHistorySource]

The thing that always bugged me about this was the fact that in the original movies, Superman failed to save Lois Lane's life & slew around the earth so fast that He reversed time to save her. LOL So if it was good enough for the movie, it should have been good enough for this. LMAO... Ohh I could go on a tirade about that whole thing.. but ... NAHHH !

[@PsychoMoFoGaming]

9:58 to be fair the 2A is why america hasn't fallen to a tyranny yet

[@rivera229]

I think it is due to tough laws and propaganda, really. Also, if Trump wins, he will push for Project 2025. Something that seems to have support from quite a few 2A supporters.

[@MrChupacabra555]

I'm half and half on the concept. On the Plus side: Its good to see the 'Real' Superman go evil, instead of all of these 'Legally Distinct' versions of him like you mentioned. What effect would an Evil Superman have on the actual heroes of the DC Universe? On the other hand: Having Clark go evil over the Death of Lois (and even all of Metropolis) reduces him a bit. At his heart, he is a Good Man, made so by being raised by equally Good Parents (and I like how Modern Day interpretations of Martha and Johnathan have them on the Left and Right respectively, so he got both sides...i.e., Opposites Attracted 🙂) Its not just his love for Lois and his Friends that keeps him Human, at his heart is IS a Caring Person (Human), and would never kill anyone if he could find another way (and with his abilities and access to tech, he can certainly find another way, which could still be dark: Recall the 'Mind Control' sub-plot in the 'Squadron Supreme' series of way back when).

[@paulwatson3025]

I loved it. Didn't know why whether source material is followed or not, why not just enjoy it. It's not like it was bad. How long have we waited to even see all the super hero stuff we get regularly now? Let the kids in us enjoy it, not the social media adult us that are now critics

[@bozoforce]

People liked the game because it crafted an engaging, coherent story. The fun gameplay was just an added perk.

[@radrno7]

The problem with the evil Superman dilemma is that the whole "one bad day away" could be applied to literally any superhero like Superman. What if Batman went through the same? Yes, there's the whole "he doesn't kill because then he would become a murderer", but that's a massive stretch. Sure, he might think about it, but he would never just do it like that, because someone as will strong as him should know better than to just give into his own personal conflict. The same should be said to Superman. This is a massive detriment to lawful good characters because it makes them seem like pathetic cowards that go against all they built up and stood for. If you want to see a superhero becoming a supervillain, there's stories made specifically for that, which doesn't ruin the legacy of iconic characters, and if you want to turn them into something they're not, well... keep it out of canon. As soon as I see the hero that I grew up with, that gave me hope that everything will be better and inspire me to do the same for others, commit a brutal attrocity, it's over. I don't see a hero anymore, and no "he did what he had to" speech will ever excuse what he did, because that is not an action of heroism, it's an act of punishment. If you make a good guy that kills and all that, it's fine by me, but to make a good guy that would never do that, it's just plain betrayal and gaslighting.

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

To add on to that, the whole point of the "one bad day" thing is that it's bullshit.

[@alexoelkers2292]

I have no problem seeing how the regime could of come about because we have seen similair regimes rise to power in real life. When thinking about Hitler and WWII everyone always asks "how could they of let something like that happen?". Its not like the German people were "bad people", they were just people, just like any other people.

[@Full-rider-hopper]

You were the chosen one it was said you will destory the shitty adaptions not love them bring balance to the media not leave it for death Godzillamendoza:who even are you aghhhhhhhh Me:you were my brother I loved you

[@Falconii2]

I really, really like the injustice games and comics, but if there is one major flaw that it has is the decharacterization it has to the other heroes, especially superman. I feel like evil superman would be more interesting had it been about a good guy who was still a good guy, just taking desperate measures, rather than a psychopath how he is in injustice.

[@Phantom9252]

As someone who liked Injustice's story at first and then slowly realized all the flaws with it, saw the out of context clips of the animated movie and decided to skip it since it "was just more of the same" you've convinced me to give the film a second chance.

[@julianx2rl]

24:15 - That's not Todd, that's Superman, Todd has bigger shoulderpads.

[@roryscott2941]

I always felt the Injustice characters weren't out of character because they weren't the classic heroes. So the idea of Todd ever being reached and fixed was out of the question. This is who he is. Killing him or Phantom Zoning him would have been better overall. I hated the green pills (I really wanted to give the power houses a 4x advantage in the game) and I do think that is an acceptable improvement. That's where the improvements end. I'm not crazy about unfaithful adaptations and if that's what they made just slap a new title on it and go crazy. I don't get mad because Fallout doesn't fit in Wasteland's lore because they're separate, I don't get mad Omega Man or Night of the Living Dead doesn't match Richard Matheson's I Am Legend because they're only inspired by his work. Make something new and most of their problems go away

[@TylenArcher]

8:28 That's Dementional Travel, not Tome Travel.

[@TylenArcher]

I meant *Time Travel.*

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

I don't like injustice because it was forced the idea a person cant conquer the world without becoming a dictator and mass murderer is tiring to me id like it more if superman was in the right making a better world but batman wanted the world to be back the way it was would have been a better story

[@paulakroy2635]

7:08 His Punisher run is literally a deconstruction of this point that his family wasn’t the breaking point

[@paytonturner1421]

Flash not wanting to go back in time probably has to do with something. Even worse will happen if he changes something in the past.

[@comicfan1324]

I’m somewhere in the middle of this whole injustice superman thing. On one hand I like injustice Superman. Some thing I feel a lot of people leave out when discussing the whole situation with him is that he was still a hero for quite some time even after killing the joker (which let’s remember that he was forced to kill Lois, his unborn child, and unintentionally set off a nuke that destroyed all of Metropolis. I could buy that with all of that stress put on him at once he MIGHT have a moment of weakness. But throughout the first year or two of the injustice comic he’s still rather on the fence about whether what he’s doing is right or wrong, and throughout the story other characters are constantly pushing him to go further until he becomes so used to breaking his moral code that it becomes the normal for him. It’s not like a light switch just flipped and superman turned evil, it was a long series of events that escalated. However, even though I like injustice superman for that… I absolutely hate that every else world version of him after the fact felt the need to do the “evil Superman story“ as doing that all of the time destroys the novelty of having a superman that has turned evil.

[@porassrivastava8242]

valid points but the movie does not have john constantine so it Is automatically a 5/10

[@GodzillaMendoza]

Correct.

[@dougwalker8068]

I find it hilarious that the end of the Injustice timeline currently is a crossover with He-Man.

[@Azhiru]

Now, there's a BIG difference between "The movie is better than the comic" and "the movie is actually good" The comic being trash doesn't make a bad movie good. It just makes the movie better. The movie was actually really bad overall, particularly how it killed Flash.

[@ajdndbdjbdj]

If only dc didint make the flash that Op it would've been a realistic way to make him die

[@HectorCotto97]

I think some people tend to oversimplify Injustice Superman's motivation, his major change didn't JUST happen because Lois died there was more to it. Not only did HE accidentally kill her with his own hands because of Joker but she was also pregnant with their child and on top of all that Superman killing Lois triggered a nuclear explosion that not only destroyed a city but also killed a majority of it's population. Mind you that this ALL happened right after the other so not only does he have the guilt of killing his wife and child but he ALSO has the guilt of being the one to trigger the nuke that killed a large population of people and all of it was setup by 1 crazy clown that his best friend refused to kill for moral reasons. It's not really a surprise that after everything that happened he was placed in a REALLY bad headspace which lead to him coming to the conclusion that he ultimately did.