How each Batman understood the character

[@lancelloti.]

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[@scottcoley1906]

Great analysis and great video. I realize you don't have context because of your younger age at the time, but Tims first Batman was perfectly suited for the time it came out: the grittiness along with the over the top exaggerations was perfect for the rough and gritty times of the 80's and 90's. A time when there was less cameras and safety. When you had to learn quickly how to survive on your own without the protections and monitoring of "big brother". A time when everything good meant so much more cause you knew when bad times came, it was up to you to deal with it with little help from anyone except maybe a few family and closer friends. It really showed how sometimes you have to go farther with repercussions because then there was even less chance a wrong would be righted and it wasn't about " emotional " response. It was as the Heath Ledger Joker said in the later movie, about sending a message that you couldn't be run over by people. Cause if you let 1 do it, others WOULD try. That's why Tim's Batman is still so revered by the older fans that the younger generations may not get, living in the safer world we live in today. @lancelloti

[@romalive77]

What an amazing video, I love how you put every version of Batman in his own context; they don't need to compete, we need to understand that we are enjoying different interpretations of the idea that Batman is, and learn to love every take. Also, could you share what song did you use on 17:00? I love the eerie feeling.

[@CTEagleCeltic]

This was really good!! Please consider a part 2 and include Val and Clooney’s take and apparel… I feel like Bat-Nipples was really missing from the discussion.

[@misanthropicsophist]

What about Joel Schumacher's Batman? How does it fit in?

[@huervo7872]

Im Glad to see the sucess your work deserve el carbon

[@totally100darthvader7]

Now that I look at it Robert Pattinson was really hitting some Arkham combos

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

He has some cool moves, but IMO, not even Batfleck was doing Arkham stuff

[@sebswede9005]

​@@Jonathan-A.C. The Warehouse fight scene in BvS is where Batffleck did some Arkham stuff.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@sebswede9005 I’ll give you the Warehouse scene, but in general, it wasn’t just constantly like how Arkham does it. To me, saying something is doing it “how Arkham would” or the equivalent of said statement, would mean it’s either doing the exact stuff you’d see in Arkham for a specific scene (or equivalent), or it’s close enough to Arkham throughout a lot of the movie/other media

[@ScreenReviewer]

The batman has many parallels with Arkham origins like young and angry batman, criminals see him as animal,both wears armour suits,both likes to work alone,both are batman 24x7,both realised they need to change thier way after end of story when Alfred was Attacked and even thier fighting style is exactly similar like both has no kill rule but are brutal

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@ScreenReviewer Yeah, they’re both early Batman origin stories that share similarities to Year One (although they’re both second year stories) and similar

[@krypticunlimited6925]

Burton is how the every day citizens of Gotham see Batman-A theatrical display of heroism and an icon against crime. Nolan is how Batman's teammates and family see Batman-A human soldier on the front lines handling the fights nobody else can handle Snyder is how Batman's enemies see Batman-An inhuman force of nature forged from fear itself And Reeves is how Batman sees Batman-A broken man fixing the demons of his past by combating the ones in the streets

[@JarOfGreed]

This! This is gold

[@francismututwa892]

Perfection 💪

[@SenseiAgot]

GREAT comment. Well done bro!

[@EvaMetalhankle]

Burton and Nolan ❤

[@timeforringydingy]

Snyder's is the Batman who never wipes.

[@charleshurst1015]

Each Batman is also at a slightly different point in the career. Keaton and Pattinson are early days, when Batman is still motivated by a combination of anger and idealism. Bale gives us a veteran who knows his business and has his emotions under decent control. Affleck is at the end of his career, watching as things get worse, despite his best efforts. His idealism has faded, leaving nothing but frustration.

[@terrywalters4917]

@@charleshurst1015Ben Affleck's Batman is a jaded veteran superhero pretty far from the end of his career. He has at least another ten years in the field.

[@Apostles333]

Bale's Batman literally is the only Batman that shows his early days of day one

[@SANESX]

​@@terrywalters4917Ben is the one I would see in 10 or 20 years as Bruce in Batman Beyond.

[@mrpk1719]

​​@@terrywalters4917 Ben Afleck did say on conan that the director chose him to play batman because his batman was older and brutal like a boxer in the 12th round and everything is falling apart around him.

[@MonigMedia]

@@Apostles333exactly

[@Dangerhayd]

It’s really refreshing and nice to see a Batman video that isn’t spent trying to talk negatively about each one besides your favorite like most videos are. Each Batman interpretation has something to celebrate and every fan can have a unique personal connection. It doesn’t need to be a war each time Batman fans interact with each other

[@TallicaMan1986]

Yeah, no Batman is trash now and needs heavy criticism to fix these God awful movies. The Darknight is the best.

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@Weeklythrower58 The Animated Batman Series Is Not Nostalgia. Nor is The Darknight.

[@formerjzm]

@@TallicaMan1986 those are both literally nostalgia......batman is far from trash now

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@formerjzm Nope. Writing is Timeless.

[@formerjzm]

@@TallicaMan1986 writing is also subjective but for the rest of us who just love batman, all iterations are good in there own way...no benefit in only being stuck on a movie that came out in 2008 and a show from the 90s

[@chidieberenwadike4165]

It's refreshing to see someone like and understand Snyder's take on batman and not just blindly bash it like other people

[@KYCDK]

we understand it, we just think his take on batmman completely misrepresents the character. the thing that makes batman "batman" is his value of human life people don't understand his no kill rule, it's not because if he kills once then he'll never stop, he won't turn into the punisher, it's not because he thinks there's a better way or anything it's just as simple as he thinks killing is wrong, he values human life above all else, to the most stubborn degree, it's highlighted perfectly in arkham city kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHqyZX2Bgddlbsk probably my favourite exchange between batman and the joker, everything is perfect, everything about this scene perfectly captures both characters I understand, snyder wanted a tank of a human, he wanted a brutal batman, but that's just not who batman is, batman is about putting fear into those he faces and incapacitation. in the animated series, batman is actually really empathetic to a good deal of his villains, trying to help them if you like snyders version of batman is a good version, then you don't like batman, you like the punisher and I assure you, the punisher comics will get you what snyders batman was doing and more zack snyder should do a punisher movie honestly cause his take on batman doesn't work for batman but would work great for punisher in a vacuum snyders "batman" is good, but it's just a terrible batman, great vigalante concept though

[@chidieberenwadike4165]

@@KYCDK I respect your opinion, but it won't change anything. I just think it's great for people understand a character what their motives are, instead of finding something to be so angry about it. I find it quite annoying how people can just forget Keaton and Bale who also killed people too. And there was no need to write a whole paragraph about it.

[@Shockkings0714]

@@KYCDK Every single Batman has killed with the exception of Clooney and Pattinson. Just stop. Keep this same energy for Nolan and Burton

[@Shockkings0714]

Every single Batman has killed with the exception of Clooney and Pattinson. Just stop. Keep this same energy for Nolan and Burton

[@huesoftheheart139]

@@Shockkings0714I think you’re being a bit obtuse to his point.

[@guineabable08]

Most “essays” 90% story recap 9% AD READ 1% original ideas and analysis THIS video was not one of them Thank you!

[@TheBatNick2024]

Agreed! This took the time to cultivate the artistic intentions whether they were liked or not but they are interpretations. These are the kind of essays I look for when coming on to you tube. I’m seeking enlightenment on things only I felt when watching these films.

[@cle_brendan8631]

I'm not even gonna lie though I would say that I sorta enjoy mindlessly watching story recap essays weirdly enough. But yeah this one was excellent, one of the better ones out there.

[@Xsopit24631]

i miss kaptainkristian

[@Ryan-tv6cy]

Critical drinker is so bad for that

[@guineabable08]

@@Ryan-tv6cyyeah i stopped watching critical drinker a long time ago

[@Aregulargameplayer]

One thing I remember from reading interviews is that Nolan's Batman, they really wanted to emphasize his mastery of stealth. That's why you just gets glimpses of him before his true reveal and its why you will never hear Batman's footsteps in Nolan's movies. Batman is a creature of the night, an unseen predator. Meanwhile, Matt Reeves's Batma- STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP

[@dean988]

i was thinking of pattinson flying into the wall or whatever it was during his glider scene 😭

[@jaybarbieri8619]

​@dean988 I liked that. Shows that Battinson Bruce still has so much to learn. Doubled down on by his use of a parachute, something a more experienced Bats would NEVER have to use

[@theliato3809]

its not the stomp of boots. its the sound of wings in the night.

[@samwest1097]

Battinson did ghost that one cop towards the end tho’. But yeah he hella stomped.

[@dean988]

@@jaybarbieri8619 oh yeah no i loved it, it was super funny but it was also very revealing of who this new batman currently is in a natural way; show don’t tell i think part of why i found it so funny as well was because it was shocking to see a batman so realistically fuck that up compared to the previous iterations, which is also why i think it was a great moment

[@okaberintorouwithagun]

One of the reasons why I like The Batman so much is that it actually dives into the Detective aspect of the character. Because while he is a crime fighter his title in every iteration is "The World's Greatest Detective" hell even his debut comic was called "Detective Comics". I'm glad we finally saw that side on the big screen. Although my all time favorite Batman is from the Arkham Games

[@Ironica82]

You mean him solving the riddles in a minute and knowing exactly what it all meant so he can go to the big building with a spinning green structure and had all the brainwaves flowing to it wasn't satisfying enough? 😂😂😂

[@robertmusil1107]

You're acting like Bale wasn't a good detective. He literally took a device that reconstructed the bullet in a wall, and he also had a device to connect all phones. This is modern detective work. Not some fucking riddles. "HUHU RIDDLE ME THIS BATMAN. HAHA I'M 12". Bullshit.

[@okaberintorouwithagun]

@@robertmusil1107 yeah but it wasn't the main focus of the films and only accounted for like 2 scenes. He still was just a punchy man the whole time, I mean really focusing on detective work in the films

[@Oblivion___]

The other Batmans are also detectives, the difference is that Reeves' Batman spends the entire movie trying to solve a case because he's just bad at being a detective. There are several investigations and plans on Batman's part in Nolan's films, for example. The difference is that Batman is intelligent and doesn't spend an entire film trying to solve a case that he could have solved in the first 15 minutes of the film. The Batman is not a detective film, it is a film about Batman being a bad detective at the beginning of his career, because otherwise the film would be 15 minutes long.

[@Oblivion___]

@@okaberintorouwithagun If Batman were smart in The Batman, he would have solved the case in the first 15 minutes of the movie. The entire movie is Batman being a bad detective, because otherwise the movie would only be one scene. This automatically explains why Nolan's Batman only has a few scenes of him being a detective, because if the movie were about Batman being a detective, the story would only have one scene. The plot needs to go beyond that. The result is that it becomes a chess game between Batman and the Joker. Unless you make a super complex plot, it is impossible to make a detective movie about Batman when he is extremely competent at his job. It is no wonder that all of Batman's detective stories are him at the beginning of his career being a bad detective, like Long Hallowen, for example. All of Batman's detective stories are him being a bad detective to drag the plot along.

[@haydenunderhill2901]

This is one of the most intelligently written videos essays I have seen and you compacted all of it in less than half an hour. This is very well done

[@lancelloti.]

thank you

[@chidieberenwadike4165]

Props for their directors. Burton, Nolan, Snyder, and Reeves. They've all done a great job of bringing their take on Batman. Can't wait for James Gunns.

[@harshilsonih1880]

James will definitely go R rated😅

[@hashshashiin.forsī]

Do you think snyder did a good job on his supes takes?

[@chidieberenwadike4165]

@@hashshashiin.forsī This video is about batman tho..

[@hashshashiin.forsī]

@@chidieberenwadike4165 i'm just curious. So, what do you think?

[@AN-filmandmusic]

@@hashshashiin.forsīgreat job

[@nøktah.editing]

I've never cared about movies artistically and psychologically, but after I started watching you, I can't watch a movie without appreciating the work of the acting and the directing and writing beauty of films.

[@CapOlimar]

Getting into photography changed how I look at everything I watch. It's like seeing things for the first time, with a fresh pair of eyes.

[@briancolwill3071]

Nice channel alright. As for what you've gotten a taste for; I read all Thomas Harris in anticipation of The Silence of the Lambs having seen Manhunter too by the time Lambs came out (1990 I think ) and it's always given me some appreciation of artistry and psychology in film. I was like 11-12 years old hogging up my three elder siblings reading materials, a five year gap between me and my eldest sister whose books I raided. Weirdly, Harris came in a three books in one fat tome. David Fincher is good for artistry with deep and dark psychology and great colour pallets. Micheal Mann explores these areas too. Enjoy. ❤

[@skepticmonkey6923]

Why tf have you been watching movies then god damn, the artistry is the whole point.

[@nøktah.editing]

@@skepticmonkey6923 Why did you watch movies as a kid? I'm guessing it's not because of the artistry. The action and plot had you hooked. Did you think I watched the first Iron man and looked at the screen thinking "The cinematography is quite well filmed. Quite well indeed."? Now that I'm grown, I can appreciate a film for the work of the people who worked on it and not because Spider-Man is doing backflips.

[@CapOlimar]

@@skepticmonkey6923 not everyone pays attention to that stuff, for some it's simply a way to spend their time doing something. I didn't get into the "art" of Film/TV until I picked up a camera and learned more about the process.

[@brandiepop]

I personally think the batman is the best done movie in terms of comic accuracy, fun and quality but every version of batman has had atleast some incredible parts to it and usually are done incredibly.

[@MumRah]

I think him being a normal human without superpowers is what makes him easier to adapt to film.

[@thefilmrookie3099]

@@MumRahimagine a green arrow movie

[@jaylenjayden9305]

Same

[@alexandervazquez7770]

Yeah he's brutal but to the point and ends fights quickly with swift but strong punches. He only gets excessive at the end with that one goon but this is a young Batman still prone to more violent outburst when that people he cares about are in danger. Plus he took a shot of adrenaline he wasn't all there mentally and was hyped up.

[@batnick10]

⁠@ansionnachbeagrioga5260the art book of the movie confirms its adrenaline. Venom isn’t established in this universe yet.

[@samable7724]

With each Batman being a response to the previous one, it might mean Gunns Batman will be a more heroic icon of a Batman rather than The Batman’s damaged personal incarnation. Especially with Damian being Robin, a Robin that himself is brooding. It would make sense that this upcoming Batman will be a more hopeful and joyful version.

[@Chenso2099]

I think Gunn’s Batman will lean heavily into the more emotional, down-to-earth family aspects, especially with the inclusion of Damian and potentially the extended Bat-family. More whole, more joyous like you said, and more brave and bold. Besides, Gunn’s movies always dealt with found family stories and are heavy with emotions.

[@spacejunk8978]

Sucks because post ZSJL/Flash Batman would've been perfect for this

[@donaldhankins3964]

Following the art description, the new Batman will be an adaptation of the Impressionism movement, which brings light and grandiose to the usual typical and ordinary scenarios

[@RhinoHorn7]

is it confirmed Damian will be Robin?

[@corzan721_3]

@@RhinoHorn7indeed it is

[@OBSDCC7]

I think the most interesting thing about Batman V Superman is that, unlike most stories that pit the two against each other, in this movie, Batman plays the villain. Superman wants nothing to do with him, until Luthor forces him to, whereas Batman is losing sleep and degrading mentally over his fear of Clark. His scenes are shot like a monster movie, his voice is inhuman, and even his theme is dark and taunting like a villains theme.

[@chinesemassproduction]

I'm glad some people realize this by now

[@MrE_]

Too bad the whole thing was executed so poorly. There was potential for something great there, but it just got watered down with too many ideas for one single movie

[@jonathanspivey437]

It kind of reminds me of a line from the Nolan series. Snyder Batman had gotten to the point where he really thought killing Superman because he might turn evil later was the right thing to do. He really did 'Live long enough to see himself become the villain".

[@dfailsthemost]

Snyder's Batman had great potential. His introduction was awesome, and that fight scene where he saves ma kent was really fun.

[@coopernut]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="6">0:06</a> they're not the ones wearing hockey pads

[@arunrajeev2634]

Underrated

[@BIG_MAN_99]

Based

[@yvngxshady]

Not my diagnosis!

[@i_1mpuls3]

POV: You've never played hockey

[@emmanuelnaicker2067]

This video united Burton, Nolan, Snyder and Reeves fans. Thank you my man. Also i appreciate you not shitting on Snyders version like so many others.

[@Z3ROMyth]

Fax 💯.

[@Prosthetics555]

I mean why would you take anyone who shits on snyders bat seriously

[@drummerlinn]

notice he didn’t mention the silly batman movies. coz those are worse than even the patton movie.

[@thewhitewolf58]

Snyder is a good person but he makes these depressing edgy worlds without depth. The batman is what snyder should be making.

[@emmanuelnaicker2067]

@thewhitewolf58 my bro if you think Snyders DC movies are "Depressing" then you missed the entire point. It's about finding the Hope after pushing through the darkness. Being hopeful isn't the absence of Darkness and so many of you don't understand that it's shocking.

[@Jaffer-yp3cs]

The moment in The Batman when Riddler says Bruceee.......Wayne....... to Batman. The expressions delivered by Pattinson was just too real. The extreme close up while i was watching the movie in theatre the acting felt so real. Can't wait for part 2

[@ryanwilliams6602]

That was a good scene. And it left you wondering if he was addressing Batman as Bruce Wayne, or if he was just ranting to Batman about Bruce Wayne.

[@davidjones8043]

What a dogshite movie 😂

[@Jaffer-yp3cs]

@@ryanwilliams6602 A really good ambiguous moment.

[@talkingmuffins9560]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="360">6:00</a> mark "This is what I want to focus on. Before we jump into the video..." bro it is already 25% over with lolololol

[@internetdinosaur8810]

This was one of the best videos I've watched on Batman in a while. Usually a video "essay" would be about their opinion and why it matters, but this takes a very academic approach that's a breath of fresh air. Kudos.

[@petermj1098]

Adam West is no joke the best live action detective Batman. He actually thinks outside the box and uses deduction to track criminal’s whereabouts.

[@Horltum]

idk if David Mazouz counts (Bruce Wayne from Gotham), especially since he does most of his detective work in the show before he puts on any form of batsuit, but I think figuring out who killed his parents and the existence of the Court of Owls, all while being like 14, makes him the best.

[@johnrockyryan]

RIP Adam West the og Bamtan and also one funny guy his voice acting in Family guy make me piss myself laughing to this day

[@dylanlewis5113]

Also the most comic accurate Batman to date.

[@kotarodesu_23]

​@@Horltum Ah yes, loved his Michelin Man inspired suit.

[@Horltum]

@@kotarodesu_23 Hey, don't diss Bruce's hockey pads.

[@roachofdoom1234]

It really does speak to the versatility of Batman as a character. The amount of storytelling and characterization that can be told through things like the suit, the way Gotham is portrayed, and then of course his actions themselves. Vastly different feelings and tones and yet they’re all the same guy. and the best part is that in actuality, they’re all correct. Also I’d love to see you do a similar kind of video for the multiple interpretations of Superman in movies, but then again there’s only two really until next year. Maybe Spider-man then

[@dynomyte9357]

Why superman? Out of the great characters DC or marvel has, you go for the most simplistic and dull character of all, nothing much to him

[@dynomyte9357]

Spiderman on the other hand is a great idea, one essay about Spiderman himself, the hero and another about Peter Parker

[@neurotic3015]

@@dynomyte9357 Only people who don't know much about Superman would say this- especially when you look at certain comics and animated series, Superman can be a very interesting character.

[@mrheisenberg83]

Three. Don't sleep on Brandon Routh. Or the many TV adaptations. Dean "I'm A Bad Person" Cain or Tyler Hoechlin come to mind.

[@shiftteamzo9980]

That’s how you know they each did it justice, covering different aspects while still holding true to the character… the versatility is very rare

[@lasroproductions]

Wow, this is the best Batman video I have ever seen. You really justify the visions and diffrences of the movies in a way that let me realise how good every director made their own Batman!

[@LiamHarrington97]

Yeah this is up there for me too. Geez. I feel lucky this exists haha. So cool learning about art history via Batman

[@joelrasdall7662]

Replying as a second upvote; this was great.

[@ralphfi9591]

I still feel like he's way much credited to Burton batman. With all due respect, his batman still looks campy and cheesy. Like, the costume design is ripped straight out of the comics, not realizing how good it will look to people in real life.

[@natdynamite]

I've seen this video three times in a single day!

[@TahuRaisao]

"Instilling fear doesn't heal a broken society." I'm reminded of a Warhammer 30k character who used fear to bring "peace" to the planet he landed on. With the ability of foresight, he always believed the worst and dark future in humanity and carried out justice and vengeance in the most extremes instead of choosing to trust and instill hope. When he left the planet, the people realized this, and upon doing so went back to their old horrible ways. Inevitably, when he returned to his home and found it fell back to old habits, he gave the order to destroy it. There's quite a bit I left out but hearing that quote reminded me of this character.

[@tprime2702]

Primarch Konrad Curze of the Night Lords traitors legion.

[@JonAntipasSubayno]

The Night Haunter

[@mrscruffles801]

That's why you have to keep it going indefinitely. People in large populations cannot be trusted to their own devices.

[@Kacszu]

I bieg to differ. If cryminals are in fear they will need to learn witchout commiting crime. This lives them being forced to rehabilitate or die at the same time giving the Innocent people of Gotham a society where their efforts won't be destroyed by a pice of shit cryminal. Instilling fear in fact does heal a broken society

[@arthurtroy7392]

The Night Haunter is basically batman if he was a psychopathic demigod

[@etcarief]

Bro not only shows the characters, but the cinematic aspect of it too, bro literally gave me an eye opening perspectives

[@siddithnadan8386]

I never thought about the seams on Pattinson's batsuit, jesus christ Matt Reeves cooked so hard on The Batman

[@MmmScotty]

Too bad the rest of the movie sucked

[@Darkness-ie2yl]

come on kid 🙄

[@Kma99107]

I like the suit cuz I got into the batman earth one storyline so I thought that the director also read it as the boots, the suit, everything is similar to the comic, the boots are combat and leather, unfit for stealth, or could smudge fingerprints, his style is more combat based not much martial artist

[@johnrockyryan]

​@@MmmScotty sit down child Reeves The Batman is already the greatest live action Batman movie and he is only getting started there's still 2 more movies to go and when it's said and done Reeves and Battison will have the crown

[@MmmScotty]

@@johnrockyryan gay people are so annoying lmao

[@pian-0g445]

As a marvel fan, one thing I adore about DC films (mostly Batman and Superman films) is how the city is a character as well. For each live action interpretation of Batman, there is one of Gotham city. Definitely some of the best ones is Batman, Batman Begins and Reeves, because they all try to create that gothic and just dirty feel.

[@levischorpioen]

The only time I feel like the city was an actual character in a Marvel film was in The Amazing Spider-Man. The way that Spidey and the people of his NYC interacted is what got me into superhero films.

[@hemi5.7awdpursuit5]

​@@levischorpioen damn it you nailed before I did 😂😂😂😂

[@levischorpioen]

@@hemi5.7awdpursuit5 I’m just happy someone agrees, I’m so used to people bashing those films 🤣

[@fatedsculpture2596]

I like Asgard and Wakanda

[@officerspooder]

@@fatedsculpture2596same if they can make those real, gotham metropolis ,and keystone city should be no problem

[@nakulsprakash1640]

I just realized Arkham Batman is a combination of Bale and Affleck. He's hard hitting like Affleck but calm and collected like Bale.

[@dc7981]

Cause thats how Comic batman acts or I guess should act

[@saurabhsaralaya1824]

Buddy Arkham games came before Affleck

[@spikem5950]

​@@saurabhsaralaya1824I don't think he was making a prescription about where Arkham took its inspiration from or the continuity, just that when comparing Arkham Batman with the movie Batmen these two elements are the closest.

[@lancelloti.]

Hey, check out the second part of this video :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYPFhYF9Z9NjZtE

[@Hamokk]

Pattinson felt like a odd choice for Batman but oh boy did he deliver. I adore the Dark Knight trilogy but the Reeves' Batman has become my favorite.

[@SirToaster9330]

I like that this isn't hating on Zach Snyder's version of Batman and instead analyzing how different it is compared to the others

[@LUMBEEPHENOM2012]

Zack Snyder Batman has the best Batman action scene I think we will ever see!

[@rogeliogonzalez2958]

Agreed really don’t get the hate batfleck gets

[@DayMan..]

It’s shit regardless

[@DayMan..]

@@rogeliogonzalez2958because Ben fleck is a pos irl and butchered the role. My can’t act to save his life which is why his career is ds

[@LUMBEEPHENOM2012]

@@DayMan.. I had a stroke trying to read that

[@cheynepearson1960]

It's a damn shame we didn't get a solo Batfleck film before all of the Justice League stuff. That warehouse scene felt like it sprang from the pages of a comic book onto the big screen. Spectacular

[@emmanuelnaicker2067]

Batfleck was definitely the most misunderstood of all of them.

[@flamingburitto]

That's because WB wanted to rush. Zack Snyder's original plan was to have MOS2, batman solo film, and then BVS. Giving more time to each character. And more films in between that and justice league. But WB wanted to beat marvel. So they rushed him.

[@lilhoodie15]

i like it when batman is brutal and willing to kill people batmans whole not killing thing is done so poorly now

[@joeclaridy]

​@@flamingburittoand a decade later Warner still refuse to admit their mistake. I would've loved to see a solo Batfleck, MOS2, and the planned Justice League trilogy. I loved the scenes with Darkseid and hated that this is all we were going to get.

[@jase276]

It really sucks because Batlfeck is the perfect live action Batman thus far. Has Arkham's physique, has Batman's affinity for planning ahead, has Arkham's/Old Batman's brutality, and his costume and Batmobile are fire

[@Tr33dude]

I grew up on christian bales batman, he felt like a bored billionaire with futuristic tech, while Bens felt forced to be equal to superman. After rewatching The Batman, Roberts feels grounded, and could be real, the tech doesnt feel far fetched, the way he enters fights from on foot, his emotions. I think Robert has become my favourite batman and im excited for the next movie

[@lucianomichel2236]

I was looking for a comment like this me too Robert has become my favourite Batman because I feel like I KNOW him and his struggles he is just a man behind the suit

[@KingVedove]

FR, i just rewatched the movie, i agree ​@@lucianomichel2236

[@CaptainRockoBD]

He’s the most accurate of the bunch comic book wise.

[@4aw50fGold]

Completely agree, Pattinsons Batman is ramshackle with gear on a “What if I have to deal with this scenario” build. It’s clunky, he’s learning, he barely survives expending every “What if” gadget in his belt, down to the last flare. I love it.

[@MermaidMusings7]

Christian is my favorite, Robert is my second favorite.

[@chidieberenwadike4165]

All of them are great in their respective ways. Keaton is the classical, Bale is the professional, Affleck is the savage, and Pattinson is the mysterious.

[@kobe9946]

Man each shot from Reeve’s batman is so awesome. You could write an essay portraying the emotions, darkness and the atmospheric influence of the batman. Each shot literally has really cool symbolism, it feels more grounded compared to other “super hero movies-like” movies.

[@jameslucas0]

this might be the best analysis of Batman on this entire platform. incredible work. earned a sub.

[@Chucknourse]

im at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="360">6:00</a> and he says before we jump in the video. that intro was so compact. He could have ended the video right there, it was so deep.

[@nazart7830]

I wish we could have had a Batfleck solo movie. The fights would have been brutally intense

[@Carlisle-mn3fv]

There’s a clip of what the storyboard fight between batfleck and death stroke would’ve been online, it’s genuinely worth checking out

[@gngnome]

Jay Oliva recently commented on an animated scene from Teen Titans: The Judas Contract, depicting a fight involving Dick Grayson (in his civilian identity) who is attacked by Deathstroke. Oliva linked his storyboarding work on that to Ben Affleck's script.

[@nunyabizness214.]

Matt Reeves had read an unfinished draft of Batfleck's movie and expressed support, claiming it was a Bond like film

[@SIKE01]

BEN AFFLECK was FRANK MILLER's DARK KNIGHT

[@Thespeedrap]

I wish the movie would get greenlighted I even made the music soundtrack for it.

[@KealstYT]

Damn, this was an actually insightful and artistic understanding of the Batmen, not just a summary of the films. Great job

[@Thelnquisitor]

Nice work. You don’t hear a lot of review about the suits and you’re exactly right on Batman’s artistic periods of inspiration. Batman “on the whole” is kind of a romantic character but always is supposed to have that subtle grace of being grounded.

[@AppleweedGaming]

As a lifelong batman die-hard, you my friend, have done all the major batman adaptations justice. Great video

[@garryson856]

I am not joking when I'm saying that this is one of my favorite KZbin videos of all time. You really went that extra way to show the cultural connections between not just the characters but the movies' themes and styles. I really hope you continue with this style of content because you are genuinely amazing at telling and it's a gift you have been given. Keep it up

[@lancelloti.]

thank you

[@TheFrozenblaze_]

"Before we jump into the video" says Lancelloti at the 6 minute mark XD

[@Nyce2186]

😂

[@TheZachDub]

This vid was extremely well done! Thanks for a fun watch

[@TheBatman514]

I wish Batfleck had a chance at a solo film.

[@drock55551]

Same! I actually really like his version of Batman. He just got stuck with shitty writing.

[@TheBatman514]

@drock55551 him in Matt's universe but still as the older bat

[@hassandahiruado9783]

I too just act like George Clooney never played batman.

[@nickm8425]

I was about to ask, what was the symbology behind a nipple suit lol

[@aphrodite9556]

@@nickm8425let me know when you find out 😭

[@midaz7]

​@@nickm8425 Supposed to emulate Greek statues, iirc. Nothing symbolic, just artistic.

[@sadsammich]

What about kilmer?

[@IIITangentIII]

George Clooney never played Batman. That's ridiculous.

[@2AMBOi]

This is the kind of comic book movie video essay that is more than just explaining the movie and it’s themes but also applying it to other mediums like art. Very well crafted I loved it

[@hades_7727]

I noticed that everyone prior to Affleck and Pattinson have stiffer movement, probably due to the suit's limitations, Keaton and Bale don't move around much and just block and fight with their hands while Affleck and Pattinson have more body movement

[@jase276]

It's the bloody cowl

[@raphael.cavalcanti3301]

Keaton couldn't even move his neck

[@midaz7]

Bale gives a sense that he doesn't have to move much because he's predicted it and is always right where he needs to be. Kinda like his Batman learnt that bullet-dodging martial arts from one of his other movies.

[@TheBigMannyShow]

This is probably one of the best youtube videos I've ever watched.

[@dianagrey9064]

I have never seen such a well thought out analysis of Batman in film, and I'm super greatful for seeing this today because holy shit, interpretation is everything. Absolutely loved this, thank you for making it, your editing and music choices were super cool too btw

[@lilyaholmes109]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1358">22:38</a> funny cuz batman is actually me

[@thomaswilson4127]

Well i taught the same.

[@ryancha3162]

no im batman

[@Vaultboyfromfallout]

Who pay their taxes? NOT batman!!!

[@sketchyecchiakechi]

That's cool but he's me actually.

[@holyalpaca750]

No I'm batwayne- I mean bruceman- fuck can I start over?

[@Neecola88]

Wow man, this was poetical, you fill the void that I have that there are not many (or any) people that are willing to go to these subjects let alone understand them. This felt like being part of an amazing conversation even if only you were speaking. Thank you!

[@toepics363]

you could say Nolan’s Batman was the most high-tech and Snyder’s Batman was kind of an older version who grew more brutal and ditched the tech to use his strength instead, went from believing in mercy and honor, to not really caring what damage he causes as long as innocent lives aren’t lost

[@kimohorsin7937]

Afflect uses his grappler many times in the movies the bat mobile the bat crawler the bat wing baterangs and wepon disruptors

[@markuhler2664]

Outstanding analysis. Loved that you showed appreciation to each version.

[@SÆHMosiqi]

I truly enjoyed your break down of each batman which has ever been brought to big screen, specifically what i like how you said that Christopher nolan's batman has been the most mentally stable batman we have encounter on top of that it is truly one of the complete batman origin films has been produced

[@muhammadsyakirothman6263]

If I recall, I heard that that the logo of Reeve's Batman was made of the gun that killed his parents. It's complementing what you said that the each batman responds to its predecessor. • Burton's logo with a sense of introduction • Nolan's logo shows subtlety, a nature of batman that is discreet (and realistic, as what you said.) • Snyder's logo is huge, with bulky designs. It's like depicting a greek god, Hades maybe? • And Reeve's logo is more like a reminder to Bruce about his purpose, and it's raw motivation to become the Batman.

[@DanKeatis]

The grandiose, very acrobatic fighting and eroticised costuming in the Schumacher films would have fit nicely in here, just for balance. Schumacher's approach lends itself very well to aestheticism- celebrating beauty for its own sake. Also, I've always admired Reeves' film rather than loving it. However, you've made me really want to re-engage with it! Wonderful video essay.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

Agreed. I understood why they weren’t mentioned, but especially since they were sort of part of a 4 movie quadrilogy, I thought they could help. A big reason for their design to begin with was how the Batman movies were pushed to be more “kid-friendly”, and sort of in response to that, you get more of the serious and dark tones in the Nolan trilogy and certainly in a lot of Begins

[@borismuller86]

@@Jonathan-A.C. exactly this. I still remember first reading about how Chris Nolan would be making a new Batman film, and some of the leaked casting. My initial response was "finally, we're going to get a realistic Batman film". I still have a bit of a nostalgic soft spot for Batman & Robin, but am under no illusions that it's anything but a complete turkey.

[@chillieice]

I know a lot of people didn't like Afflecks Batman but I kinda liked the whole "I'm tired of the bullshit and I'm just gonna kick ass" vibe. I guess that whats happens naturally when you try to trust the system to many times but it constantly brings you down.

[@joedatius]

I don't think there is anything wrong with that concept for batman and it has been done well before in certain comic runs but the issue with Afflecks Batman is that we never see why and how he even got to that point. We're just told what it was but that's not very satisfying for a viewer and you don't really get to appreciate him being a changed batman since you only see him as the now hyper-violent snyder version.

[@kafukwamekemeh]

@@joedatius Did you watch ZSJL? where he was the leader of the justice league?

[@clickycrust]

@@joedatius bvs starts with him witnessing the destruction of Metropolis and the concequences of Superman's actions turning a child into an orphan. While we may not see him tired from fighting criminaIs or see the death of Robin, we do witness the event that catapults him into an antagonist. I just don't understand how people can't appreciate him changing his ways when we see him at his lowest at one point and doesn't even care if he lives or dies to then turning hopeful because of the symbol of hope himself. You can SEE the Battinson monologue happening to him throughout BVS and ZSJL.

[@joeclaridy]

​@@clickycrustmuch of it is a reaction to how heroes in the MCU were portrayed vs. the DCEU. Many in the criticsphere hated how Snyder portrayed DC characters by infusing ethical dilehmas that strayed from the heros good villans bad trope. Also, many younger generations grew up with a batman that didn't kill and Snyders version kills there perception of what a hero should be.

[@joeclaridy]

​@@clickycrustthat's because many hated Snyder for violating the no kill rule or putting heroes in compromising positions. Me I loved it because in my opinion it gave them depth that we were somewhat missing from their MCU counterparts. According to many DC critics, in the MCU the good guys were the good guys and inspired hope unlike the Snyderverse.

[@vsakusam]

THE CORRELATION OF THE ART PERIODS TO THE MOVIES ARE SO SMART WHAT!!!! Thank you for such thoughtful video! xx

[@Mr.Finklebottom]

I actually really love Robert Pattinson's Batman. It gave me some serious nostalgia to the Arkham games, with the whole movie being kind of like a game of detective, and Batman being this force to be reckoned with. Using Riddler as the villain for this Batman's opening premier created a version of Batman I've longed to see for quite some time. He's a detective, solving cryptic puzzles one step at a time, getting closer and closer to catching the Riddler. And in the meantime, he's a destructive force, beating down anyone who gets in his way, but not without failure. He's still in his earlier days, before he became a symbol of anything other than fear and pain to his enemies. He's vengeance, not Batman. But his methods keep him coming up just short of total success every single time, so he makes a change and aims to become a symbol of hope and peace. It's the most human feeling Batman has ever felt, and also probably the most realistically plausible version of Gotham as a whole.

[@dinowhiskers8894]

This was such a thorough, respectful, and absolutely wonderful breakdown of the different interpretations of this character. I feel that I’ve learned so much about character design from this video essay, which is especially appreciated as I am an aspiring writer looking for resources to improve my writing. Keep up the fantastic work. ❤️

[@cristianorozco534]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="673">11:13</a> Even in an interview Christopher Nolan said it was intentional because he thought it was too exaggerated the Burton's Batman

[@hottakestuesdays7450]

great analysis. i'm one of few who likes all these versions. mainly because each director gave us their perspective on batman

[@lilacthorn4333]

I could listen to you talk about the art concepts of anything honestly. Thank you!

[@RedactedGentleman]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1160">19:20</a> nah we just gonna gloss over that clean transition???

[@Wombattuus]

My man really went and chose the worst image for matt reeves batman

[@johnrockyryan]

Did Battison dirty still a fantastic video but damn why you pick that one my guy 😂

[@zolod.uchiha5102]

Bro just looks like that

[@ravenstar1397]

rain world

[@mattcolvin338]

Your analysis and perspective on all 4 of these interpretations celebrates everything I love about Batman's film interpretations. Each has their own way of shedding light on different aspects of the same character through different lenses. It's so refreshing to see this rather than another comparison and objective preference video. To me, each of these interpretations represents a place on the "Mount Rushmore" of Batman. He's the James Bond of superheroes and I love learning more and more about him through each adaptation.

[@UnlockYaChakras]

That laughing transition from Nicholson to Ledger was 🤌 great video

[@AtramentousMindframe-ju5fx]

Snyder's fight scenes feel much more like Batman of the comics to me. He's dramatic, brings shock & awe to a scene and of course, he performs feats that only superheroes can.

[@miavileunevue2463]

There's something surreal about seeing someone do a video about every Batman and show appreciation for them without using backhanded compliments or just being mean about one of them. Very much appreciate that. I wish the Batman/DC fandom could be more like this.

[@killerquality1446]

Seriously good video, great work!

[@mifri22]

I am so not into superhero movies but your analysis makes me want to watch all of the Batman movies and understand the genre. Nice work!

[@jonathanprinters]

I loved everything about batfleck. I wish he would’ve gotten a solo film. Also, it’s a comic book movie. There doesn’t need to be as much realism compared to our world.

[@IAmTheAidan]

What an excellent dissection of character design!

[@Jay_Coop]

Great essay! The cyclical nature you highlighted reminds me of how in Avatar the Last Airbender, where it’s described that the approach each Avatar had to their role is in response to their predecessor.

[@God-xd1wr]

I’VE BEEN PRAYING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS

[@landonhagan450]

I feel like Burton's Batman is also a response to the Adam West version. In fact, very much in parallel to bronze age comics reacting to the lighthearted silver age, all Batman movies feel like a reaction to the 60's show. Not just in that it was silly (although it was), but in that West was an unambiguous, unconflicted paragon of virtue. Rather than evolving on his own, he was a static character that changed the world around him. I'm reminded of an interview in which West recalled numerous fan-letters from fatherless boys who looked up to him as a father figure. I think that anecdote perfectly encapsulates what sets West apart. I wonder what art movement might fit that? Based on two seconds of research, the exaggerated beauty and idealism of the Mannerism movement seems apt. That our the high Renaissance in general.

[@jonathanspivey437]

Your probably right. I remember being slightly nervous about going to see the 1989 Batman, just hoping it wasnt going to be like the Adam West tv series.

[@ElDarlow]

These videos are really excellent in quality, for movie fans I feel this channel is a must

[@RMV1560]

This was so in-depth so detailed and you backed up everything it just drew me in with every explanation every understanding every reasoning with the patterns. This is a phenomenal story on how not just the Batmen are different but how they sort of branch off of each other and mirror each other reflecting the opposite

[@mdincorporated]

Thank you! I never thought deeper into the different designs of all the suits, even when they’re what I focus on most when I see Batman appear on screen! You’re amazing!

[@pranavpise6952]

This is the best video I've watched about big screen Batman representation. Personally I loved the DCEU batman the most. Because it showed what toll it took on Bruce to be fighting for all those years and then when he met Superman, it's like he found hope again. The symbolism that a lot of people failed to get in Snyder's version. Followed closely by Nolan's Batman, which as you perfectly stated, showed the perfect origin story of a freshly formed idea of Batman. I don't get the hate TDKR gets, because Bane was a really well written villain and it also showed how Batman had to evolve. Very excited to see what Robert Pattinson's version does ahead.

[@anthroposium]

Excellent video essay, a quality production :)

[@OntarioGuy430]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="102">1:42</a> - it's ok - he is just unconscious - forever!

[@ashlynavarro9340]

Brilliant video, mate 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@SpudSpudoni]

What an insanely satisfying watch. Going with the story structure of breaking the character up into segments, and then analyzing each version within that was absolutely the right idea here. Once I knew I wouldn’t sit through each analysis individually, I got much more into the content immediately. Editing and presentation on point.

[@Z3ROMyth]

Amazing video that manages to unite Nolan, Snyder, and Reeves fans. Also, Batfleck is one of my favorite live action adaptations of Batman/Bruce Wayne alongside Christian Bale, Pattinson would be behind those two, and i thought his movie was great 💯.

[@advait35]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="447">7:27</a> "...adapted so many times that they lose their appeal" If you mean any of the Spider-Men in this scene, I STRONGLY disagree. Neither of them has lost their appeal, the character still has appeal, and so does each actor's version of them, including Tom Holland's.

[@joshmoreno160]

I personally think ben affleck was perfect casting he was just done dirty by wb and his scripts he even looked like comic batman well a certain version since you can say they all look different in various runs

[@TheParagonIsDead]

Fr

[@MR_xxvicxx]

Man, this was one of the most elaborate and nicest videos of i ever seen! Congratulations for the lancelloti

[@tylerbarnes_]

I must say this was a brilliant analysis 🔥

[@johnrockyryan]

And if you put the best aspects of all 5 Batmen together (Adam West Included) and you get the one the only the greatest Batman of all time Kevin Conroy. RIP to THE GOAT and og Kevin Conroy and Adam West

[@misterpaulggftw9103]

Damn, Zack Snyder's style for me personally really suits the Batman. And I really hoped he would direct a standalone one without any of his super friends.

[@romansionis2470]

Would've loved to see that solo Batfleck movie that ended up getting cancelled

[@coldhardjayard5424]

this video makes me appreciate the snyder interpretation a lot more

[@notfenex]

i want to say thank you, as a person who really likes to analyze films and their meaning and their depiction of the world, that you made this video. This game me new points for films to look into more.

[@BatSamuel]

This vid is so good man it was very interesting!

[@MisterRorschach90]

I’m gonna have to correct you here. The Batfleck suit is not just a costume that shows his exaggerated muscles and look like a seasoned Batman. The suit is literally shown multiple times on the mannequin. It retains its muscles and the textures of the fabric are specifically chosen to evoke a similar look to real life armor materials like Kevlar and carbon fiber. The material is not mentioned like it is in the dark knight trilogy or the Arkham video games, but it was specifically chosen to evoke the feeling of real armor. This is coupled with the fact that the muscles are included in the suit. This is meant to signify that there is literally some kind of armor underneath the fabric designed to mimic the exaggerated muscles you mentioned. What they did is mixed the realistic Batman suit concept with queues designed to make it actually look like a realistic suit of armor. My headcanon is that it’s some kind of graphene or carbon nanotube infused aramid/aramid like fiber possibly mixed with other fibers like spider silk, UHMWPE, or nanocellulose. This is woven into specific patterns to fit around the armor plates underneath designed to look like muscles. Since it is designed to look like a full set of muscles that means the armor plates essentially cover the entire body. I imagine the armor plates would be some kind of shear thickening fluid infused material designed to get harder and more dense under impacts, and retain flexibility and elasticity under normal conditions. Probably designed to stop all small arms fire and withstand all slashing attacks, and a certain level of force with stabbing attacks. There was a group in Sweden many years back that created a material that would be perfect for this. Looked kind of like a thin blue rubber waffle. And was rated to stop level III rifle rounds.

[@shadquirk607]

Brilliant work, though I do wish the Schumacher films got a mention. Obviously they're an extension and exaggeration of the baroque theatrical design of Burtons Batman, but I think there is enough individuality there to warrant a bit of a dive.

[@therealCrazyJake]

Schumacher films brought a lighter tone in response to the darker elements of the Burton films, paying homage to the camp of the ‘66 TV Show.

[@kalebmauzy]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="190">3:10</a> I would do unspeakable things for a Batman movie entirely from this pov. Snyders batman would actually be perfect for it too

[@ricardolucio8901]

This is what all video essays should look like. Incredible!!! It's awesome to understand how each directors had different motivations and wanted to portray different things in their movies. It makes the experience of watching a movie more beautiful and complex. It's not just about "this movie is good, that one is bad", but about different understandings of the character and different objectives.