The INSANE Cost of a Maxed Character! Ultimate Upgrade Guide for Neverwinter (Part 5) - Mod 22

[@leewhitehurst7008]

Your KZbin videos are actually more interesting than playing neverwinter at the moment.

[@Aragon-]

lol, thanks :D

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

@@Aragon- I find that with Win 10 and DX11, the graphics in Neverwinter now look horrible. Garish, supersaturated colours and just not as nice as they were. It is THE biggest thing to EVER make me not want to play. {:-:-:}

[@nellykns6982]

So true

[@user-eh4jv6xw4l]

@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 You need to play on console

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

PAH! Console!? *NEVER"!!* I managed to get the graphics sorted out, so it's OK now. But the game is boring. {:o:P:}

[@MrIamsosmrt]

The current Harvester of nightmare event and similar ones are also great to get legendary insignias. You can get 2 for doing one event and you could have a full set after running the event 7 times. But they are all bound so I wouldn't upgrade them to mythic and instead use them for powder if you decide to upgrade insignias to mythic.

[@Aragon-]

yup, decent!

[@lazarond]

300 mil to be fully maxed.. that is mental!!!! I'm on the collar part myself and I refuse to pay the full price...

[@Aragon-]

yeah, collars is literally half the cost xD

[@dragonlord4801]

I have 1 legendary collar rest epic I also cannot justify the cost vs the measly 2 percent increase but they're not really needed. I'm at nearly 76k with most everything else maxed, still expensive tho lol

[@fresh7s]

Yeah that sounds about right 1,500-3,000 days of refining 100k AD lol. Thats only 4-8 years of constant playing *without any good drops*

[@HBHaga]

And assuming that they don't change the meta out from under you during that time.

[@Aragon-]

yeah :/

[@tenchi8194]

1500-3000 days of WORK. Not fun. It’s crazy to me how some people think this is okay

[@fredrauch418]

💯

[@disco481]

What do you think about legacy loadouts? Should they be removed from the game or made available to everyone? Seems like a pretty huge disadvantage for people who don’t have access to it.

[@dragonlord4801]

Legacy loadouts? if you mean the loadouts for gear powers etc most people just use them for aoe and single target, not a big deal IMO I don't use them at all

[@Aragon-]

I think they should be removed! That or introduce more feat options, with the powers like the mod 15 ones. A lot of balancing would need to be done

[@annaschofield]

Just noticed a reward to buy from harvester is that glyph- it costs 10 coins, 4 coins=you can buy 50k a/d and buy the glyph at vip discount of 30k a/d. Do not get glyph from harvester - huge waste!!

[@dragonlord4801]

Good looking out for the community! The sneaky things like this that make me always pull up the calculator on my phone lol and definitely with the ah

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

*_"4 coins=you can buy 50k a/d"_* Careful. Are you sure it's actually 50k AD? And Rough or Refined? Usually, you can buy 50k BONUS AD so when refining you have a greater Bonus Pool that gets the bonus when you actually refine. it's not free AD. {:-:-:} _(Edited for tyops)_

[@annaschofield]

@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 it’s actually 50k rough astral diamonds so they need to be refined as part of your 100k per day and it’s from the harvester event it’s a box of 50k rough a/d

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

@@annaschofield Oh, thanks for getting back to me. Yes, I checked and it's 50k actual rough AD to be refined. But you get more than that from one Random Dungeon or Trial. {:-:-:}

[@CL-ty6wp]

After 500 hrs I uninstalled. Game is to unrewarding in the end. Grind campaigns for months to get .2% power lol. No drops are worth an f. Never had a useful weapon or armor dropped. Instead everythin, which is very little is spoon fed through a couple of the campaigns. Too linear. 0 progression after 20. And the worst is trial and dungeons are MISERABLE. The worst artificial difficulty i've ever seen. Hidden mechanics that wipe you after an hour in the dungeon, every boss blows you off some edge magical and if their attacks have tells, they're usually meshed under the ground so they are hard or impossible to see. And if you manage to beat a que besides aa skirmish, you'll probably be rewarded with an item lvl 550 glove for some other class and some useless currency.

[@Aragon-]

you definetly got some good points there, yup true

[@Person-py1wy]

Just because I thought the math was funny I figured i'd post it here, with the current going rate from the zen exchange you would end up spending: $191,067.20 to max ONE character if you traded each zen purchased for 750 AD, if this doesn't display how absolutely rediculious the Zen trade market is, I don't know what will.

[@kool9174]

Lol we gotta talk about this math

[@josephjohnson5415]

And each next patch will invalidate 10-20% of your worth to ensure the rat keeps run in that wheel. This last update was a doozy in the way they seakily made upgrading 3x costly.

[@Aragon-]

yeah, thasts the problem with playing vertical progression games. Every big update will usually at least bring something that you need to get or upgrade further, in order to be maxed!

[@annaschofield]

I thought it was pretty nasty- all those level 9 you painfully saved for all your extra characters? Completely worthless you start from o

[@josephjohnson5415]

@@annaschofield neverwinter is one of the worse games for altaholics. It takes so much just to get one character unto endgame range. Other characters are just gold generators for swapping enchants.

[@Jan.Martin.Brenden]

Great work. good to know how much it will cost. I had rogue mod 18 around 220k power. I have played my rogue since. But that rougue now whould be trash. new ench system. Its not possible to keep up with all characters whitout a wallet, Im more tank now tho. Not played much in mod 22.been more busy with new world. But i should maybe farm the new gear. uppgrade slowly some enchantments. Probaply cheaper on auction house now

[@Aragon-]

Yeah, they sure changed things a lot. What I do like tho with the new enchant system, is account wide enchants. Costs a lot, but means you only really gotta do it once

[@Jan.Martin.Brenden]

@@Aragon- Yes i like the system. I just dont like the way they make end game all legendary now blue enchantment. Many justify with its same value in stats. Its about you was endgame and now its like starting from zero almost. Make it easyer for new players to just buy themself up. And loyal old players be left behind. I understand game need money. but better let us play and work in game, not out of game with wallet. and instead ask donations from us players. Love the combat system tho. Im just playing 2 games, neverwinter and new world :D Again great videos

[@sdrelic8158]

@Aragon am I correct? When I looked and tried the account unlock enchants, you can only purchase one of each type in return of the currency mythic enchant you gave up. It no longer allows you to buy your 99 of each as shown in one of your videos

[@Jan.Martin.Brenden]

@@sdrelic8158 99 was from preview. That was changed til release. Now is 1 for 1.

[@sdrelic8158]

As a new player (one month) and watching your videos, makes me think how long it will take to make these kind of astral diamonds you state for costs in the videos. As in, unrealistic to obtaining the necessary amount within months/ even years? All astral diamonds strategies I have seen do not make anywhere near these kinds of amounts. Makes me think again about playing, and beginning to believe I may need to play something else. Sad.

[@Aragon-]

You can do a lot of things to reduce the cost, doing events and such

[@GlennElliottKeller]

Thank you for addressing this.

[@StatsMatter13]

hi aragon you might want to make a video about the weapons in bleeding citadel. i saw they are in 1900 IL.

[@Aragon-]

Interesting, I'll have a look, cheers

[@fabianmartinez4]

Very Nice guide instop in 60k i don't think i need more for a solo like me

[@Aragon-]

cheers

[@user-eh4jv6xw4l]

I am afraid that after you spend your 300 mil ad, the next update from Cryptic will wipe out all of your hard work. I will never have 300 mil ad my friend. I was shocked to see that you can only refine 100,000 account wide which sucks if you are running 4 characters like me. Hard to build that much up when they limit your progress.

[@jonnyb70]

they don't want you to be able to grind AD the way you used to be able to, because then you aren't spending RL $.

[@dragonlord4801]

@@jonnyb70 Exactly lol

[@user-eh4jv6xw4l]

@@jonnyb70 Also, they didn't replace cw already purchased. They did offer one freebie later on and an opportunity to get with nightmares. Still a financial loss and I don't feel like I should spend more money only to have it taken away again.

[@Aragon-]

Yup, that's what they usually do, if you want something quickly it will cost you a lit more than just slowly grinding it out, especially when they make it easier and easier as time goes on, cheaper and cheaper

[@dragonlord4801]

replace cw? all of mine were turned into coal motes as soon as I logged on unless you're referring to something else?

[@armandovirruetaberber]

I have one question about mounts, do you gain all passive habilitys from your mount list or only from your active mount?

[@Aragon-]

only your active mount powers

[@sink6813]

Can u post an insignia powder farm?

[@JekyllNHyde420]

Hey Aragon, What's up with the Enchantment Unlocks on the home page?

[@Aragon-]

You can trade in an enchantment to claim a bound one for your character and on all other characters too

[@watchdogsoffarron3354]

140 million ad = 193 zen packs of 11,000zen at £80.00 equals over fifteen thousand pounds of real world money.

[@Whit3hat]

Thx Aragon helps alot

[@marshallodom1388]

Why would I want to upgrade when content is scaled and all queued dungeons don't have any minimum requirements to join?

[@Aragon-]

only to do the latest endgame content, which has no loot

[@marshallodom1388]

I still have fun waiting 20 minutes in queue just to be disconnected then rejoining to find out I've been kicked from the party. Oh the joy!

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

Did you ever work out the cash cost of buying your way to such a BIS character? {:-:-:}

[@Aragon-]

I'm fearful to do so xD

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

@@Aragon- LOL! How many AD so far? {:-:-:}

[@dragonlord4801]

I would guess 10 grand lol

[@Aragon-]

at this point Zen is just becoming higher and higher value, so I guess it is actually jsut getting cheaper to buy your way to max

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

​@@Aragon- But how many AD so far? I know a lot of things cannot be bought on Zen Market, and a lot of good gear drops are BtA or BtC, so cannot be bought on AH. But you were keeping a running total of how many AD it was costing. Sorry, I listened to the video, so I didn't see if you showed it on-screen. I'll watch it now. I see at the start of this you have 8,200,400 AD to get 50,159 TIL and all content unlocked. 24,000 + 3,600 Bonus Zen = 27,600 Zen for £159.99 27,600 Zen x 750 AD = 20,700,000 AD (if one is dumb enough to directly convert). So 8,200,400/20,700,000 = 0.396 0.396 x £159,99 = £63.38 So, £63.38 to get to "End-Game Ready", rather than an End-Game BIS character? That doesn't seem right. WAY cheaper than I thought! People have been telling me it costs about $3 to 6000.00! {:o:O:} But I always buy account-wide Mythic Mounts, so they are 3 to 5 million AD each, so that's 30 to 50 million AD right there for ten. Possibly more. That would be between £231 and £386 just for the ten Mythic mounts. And you did it differently, starting with Epic or Legendary mounts from the AH as F2P. This just shows what a great service you provide to players. They can save a fortune if they are prepared to L2P and grind. Of course, if you DO spend cash on Zen, do it during a Charge Promo and buy the larger amount, and then KEEP it for something worth getting. My 5000 Zen order came on Feb 17, 2022. That took 286 days, or more than 9.5 months. Ironically, I did not log in after 15th until March 6th, as I did not install Win 10 until then. So I lost 21 VIP keys, 2.1 million AD, 714 Celestial Coins and 1428 Ardent Coins. And 65 Celestial Coffers! {:-:-:}

[@davidpickering9374]

is the final reward in the deagon born camapin worth useing on a dps bard because the 6 intelagense dont think it does much for tailwind mambo.

[@Aragon-]

yes, it is very good for a bard, it proccs mystify!

[@davidpickering9374]

@@Aragon- thank you

[@dustind3960]

Arogon can you please include tank and healer who like to be a little more combat focused with poision thron and curst burn then stanard tanks and healers with tank/defencive combat enchatment enchatmane.

[@Aragon-]

that doesn't quite fit into the endgame meta, when content is challenging you need everyone to be really good at their role, not a mix! So a healer or tank trying to deal damage instead of tanking or healing is just bad!

[@xacasd]

They need to do something about mythic collars, definitely not worth the price

[@Aragon-]

yeah, it's just crazy

[@andrewtomlinson5237]

There needs to be SOMETHING in the game that END end gamers need to work toward. In recent years there has been a shift in how players view being end game. We all want to get there as quick as possible, and get the new BiS easily when it comes out. Mastercrafting used to be the "Cherry on the top" that endgamers could grind out over months or years to finally achieve. Now you buy it for less than the price of a horse. It's the same with Guild Boons... you used to struggle with your guild to build the stronghold and get to the levels where Boons became available. Months and Months of working together to get it. Now it's a matter of going to Protectors and typing, "lf gld w all boons". When you work hard for something over time it means more. I think we've collectively forgotten how MMOs work, and being constantly told that you NEED all this stuff makes players resent not being able to get it easily. Collars are that last "aspirational" item in the game. Like Aragon says, they don't provide HUGE benefits to either build or IL, so they remain that one last thing that those who have achieved everything else have left to actually WORK toward.

[@Silv3rS0ul20]

@@andrewtomlinson5237 do you know someting called ''social life''?

[@andrewtomlinson5237]

I do. I don't know what it has to do with what I was saying though.

[@andrewtomlinson5237]

@Hunter Biden Blows goats Preach brother... Still play AD&D. Got a campaign world I've been running games in for over 40 years now... 5E is more like a "Super-Powered Mega Furry Combat MMO simulator for people who don't like not being able to see in the dark..." than D&D.

[@julienfrisson9372]

I watched all your videos and I conclude that there is no point in putting so many astral diamonds to be max, because at 50k - 60k you are already perfect and can finish all the campaigns of the game, so finish the game.

[@ignacioproudly7930]

Yo,,im doing echos campaign on ps5 but it doesn’t advance after completing those quest Idk what’s wrong now…any advice ? Thxs

[@arirytkola8119]

Echoes of prophecy ended 31.12.2021. Only way to advance now is to buy premium pass.

[@Aragon-]

the event is over, you need the premium pass to complete before april

[@ignacioproudly7930]

@@arirytkola8119 damn,,,, I missed i guess will start again

[@ignacioproudly7930]

@@Aragon- mo money damn,,, I only make $11 per hour lol

[@CL-ty6wp]

@@ignacioproudly7930 dmn, props to you for working. Inb this crazy world you'd probably make more money unemployed.

[@cipriancorneanu6120]

So.. 300 millions AD to get a char to 80k ILVL ? That seems doable, right ? In about a year or so. Like how can you even farm that much AD ?

[@Aragon-]

You did notice that like the last 2,000 item level costs you 150 mill plus? Nobody in their right mind spends that much. Also a lot of the costs can be reduced or eliminated by just playing the game.

[@cipriancorneanu6120]

@@Aragon- Funny enough, yeah.. i noticed. But even so, 143M AD to get a single char maxed out seems a bit too much :D A year has passed and i still find you the best content creator for Neverwinter. Keep up the good work, i've been watching all your videos, but i was struggling a bit with my ilvl (45k) and thought i'd watch this series again.

[@grandmasteryoda3187]

150mil AD is like 4-5 years if your only getting the 100k AD per day insanity. 😂🤣😂

[@andrewtomlinson5237]

There are ways to get there faster. Personally, I've never really chased that goal of "Mega High IL," I've got 12 characters all between 60 and 70K, with my main at about 73. I've been playing since Mod 3... and spent less than $100 in all that time (probably closer to about 60...) My Guild is Rank 12, and I've never even seen a Mythic Collar... (Most of my characters still have epic insignia, and my main only has legendary...) None of that has ever stopped me outperforming characters with far higher ILs on a regular basis, simply by not only picking stuff that works properly together for my build, but also understanding how it works... Also, doing plenty of basic dungeon queues can make you a shit tonne of AD. Those skeleton keys are cheap and the chests will occasionally throw out a companion or mount you can sell for loads of AD. Base collars drop quite regularly from even skirmishes (Master of The Hunt is pretty good for them...) and you can flog them for a decent score. Plus with the evil that is "scaling" those basic dungeons can be a real challenge, and are a good way to test builds, combos and strategies in a real situation rather than checking combat logs against dummies. To be fair, advancing on the cheap is helped by having 12 characters, because by invoking daily over a month or so, I effectively get the equivalent of two of those Celestial Artifact Coffers every day... and that gives me free Coal Wards/Motes that I either use, or unbind with all the tokens I get from Dungeons, and sell for a million in pure profit a pop.

[@grandmasteryoda3187]

@@andrewtomlinson5237 I know there's ways of getting there faster without relying on the 100k daily limit for refining ad I just think it's funny when you consider how long it would take to get to the 150mil if you was to only get 100k AD per day, I dare say if many new players saw this video it would put alot of them off. But yeah I know you can earn more than 100k each day personally

[@CL-ty6wp]

I played for 500 hr and no cxasual gets even 50k ad a day. Goodluck getting a q and better luck beating it.

[@jessepinkman7231]

So if my math is correct capping your AD every day it would take you over 4 years to make enough AD to cap a character. Discouraging

[@Aragon-]

yeah, you'd need to find other ways, you can get lucky in chests and farm events

[@bryanbutler5382]

500 days of refining for step 29 alone

[@Whit3hat]

Yah I passed out when I saw the 8mil AD

[@Aragon-]

with a few months of playing, you should get 8 mill no problem, it can be reduced a lot by farming events and juma bags and getting lucky in dungeon chests!

[@spencerswart9227]

It's not a quick game too get to end game, unless the mighty credit card

[@MrShawn1190]

So basically, I'll never get a maxed character. I'll just stick to watching videos then...

[@Aragon-]

You can complete all content in the game (except the crown of keldegonn) on 50k item level. You just need to optimize your stats with gear and companions!

[@twinnedmaster3453]

I simply cant find part 4 of this guide

[@Aragon-]

Have you checked the video description for the link?

[@JekyllNHyde420]

Where is part 4?

[@Aragon-]

link in the video description

[@JekyllNHyde420]

@@Aragon- Thank you

[@dragonlord4801]

Phew talk about steep lol and then even if you get maxed people still look down on u for not having boa smh does the grind ever end? lol

[@Aragon-]

If the grind ended, there would be nothing for you to spend money on in the game xD so the game company always try find something new for players to spend money on. Would prefer to pay a monthly subscription, and the game company can just focus on good content to bring me back playing every month!

[@dragonlord4801]

@@Aragon- I'm with u on the ms, but when I asked in my alliance a lot of people said hell no lol. If they did switch to that they'd really have to get serious about removing these bugs tho or people would just say screw it and not even bother

[@Smokin-dragon1111]

I just play for fun all this business side of the game is a joke to me lol cheers

[@Aragon-]

hehe, true true. Play for fun, it's a game afterall!

[@allenfrost6828]

And now 30 bucks will buy 50k item level.

[@Aragon-]

Yup

[@AozenDreyar]

100k per day cap dont worry guys in 10 years you will be maxed out XD

[@Aragon-]

xD

[@AozenDreyar]

@@Aragon- is possible for me to talk to u on discord?

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

I make +1 Reinforcement Kits and Jewels with Professions and sell for a tidy profit. {:-:-:}

[@Aragon-]

nice!

[@leslieleyba7261]

Man your giving me a headache

[@Aragon-]

sorry xD

[@leslieleyba7261]

Lol naw I love hearing you speak it’s just everything is so expensive and for those of us who don’t have time to grind or money we will never see those golden gates sigh 😔

[@dragonlord4801]

@@leslieleyba7261 No point trying to get completely maxed anymore, they'll make another big change and it will just reset ur progress. I'd aim for maybe 60k tho just for reaper challenges to be smooth

[@roloskywalker_]

First :)

[@Aragon-]

Cheers :)

[@robseau]

The game is not worth a dollar, lol

[@Aragon-]

depends, but yeah, I ain't put a penny into it for a few years

[@user-eh4jv6xw4l]

@@Aragon- Then why always promote VIP?

[@Marek_Ondrej]

He has the VIP himself, he just got to a point, where he can sustain AD to convert it into ZEN. Nothing wrong about that.

[@Aragon-]

Yeah, even with a 9 month wait for the exchange, you still get 25k zen, only need to spend 5k zen (less with coupon) for 6 months.

[@user-eh4jv6xw4l]

@@Aragon- So how do you get the exchange going and how much ad do you need to exchange? I have always paid.