The INSANE Jayson Tatum-Markelle Fultz Trade, 5 Years Later

5 years ago, the Boston Celtics traded back in the 2017 NBA Draft, and it ended up as one of the best trades in NBA history.
#jaysontatum #markellefultz #nbatrade

[@ralphlaigo]

Let us thank the Nets for letting this happen in the first place

[@jmackwinz4383]

Yeah

[@tj5180]

Funny how people don't talk about the fact how the nets traded a draft pick for Gerald wallace which turned out to be dame. But the nets are playing better rn and glad they got over the horrible past

[@jordanscott7247]

Celtics screwing over the Nets since 2012, Now it comes back full circle when they got swept😂

[@tellurius4951]

As a Celtics fan, thanks to entire Brooklyn organization for being a bunch of absolute bozos

[@freshnaproductions2105]

Slay to the Nets for thinking with one brain cell. As a Celtics fan, thank you Nets and 76ers

[@seahpo6737]

for everyone who doesnt know (and i didnt notice tucker mention it in this video, i couldve missed it tho) markelle fultz developed Thoracic Outlet Syndrome in his right shoulder, an incredibly rare nerve condition. basically its when your nerves get compressed between your top rib and collarbone (the "thoracic outlet"), which for fultz meant that in the middle of his shooting motion, he would feel searing pain, then completely lose all feeling in his right arm and hand, then suddenly gain feeling back at the high point of his shot. also, TOS is basically only diagnosed by ruling out every other possibility, so it took years before he was even aware of what his injury was. dude got completely robbed of a possible all-nba level career and faced insane amounts of hate and criticism at the time, i feel really bad for him tbh. thankfully even though hes had to completely rebuild his jumpshot all over again, and with his major injuries in orlando, hes healthy now and balling out. could definitely still see him having a kyle lowry type of career if he manages to stay healthy, his court vision and general awareness of the game is still very evident whenever he plays

[@jeremywilsonn]

They league literally clowned him saying “he forgot how to shoot”. Glad you mentioned it because people still believe he really forgot how to shoot

[@mattpassos5689]

Yeah he dealt with hate but so has every #1 overall busy that lost their career due to injury, it’s sad but people don’t have that context and if you go out to play you must be healthy so overall I feel bad but at least he’s still in the league

[@phightinphil25]

@@mattpassos5689 Its not impossible that Fultz could have fallen to the 76ers at 3 as Danny Ainge (with an obvious pinch of hindsight) claimed he would have picked Tatum #1 if the sixers didn't trade up and at the time it was apparent that the lakers only wanted Lonzo Ball at #2. Fultz would have been disappointing as a #3 pick but I don't think the bust label would have been applied as liberally especially given the sixers would have retained the assets needed to make the trade. I personally think Fultz was the correct pick for the sixers in that moment it just didn't work due to bad injury luck.

[@mattpassos5689]

@@phightinphil25 I agree that it was the right choice without hindsight like we have and it was unfortunate yet I as an nba fan to be fair not a 76ers fan had never heard of an injury when he was playing and bricking all of his shots so it was the lack of transparency too that hurt him at the very start of his career but he’s become a respectable player I think he can continue to improve too

[@johnb7053]

Yea not like he’s Anthony Bennett or anything, worst pick ever imo

[@yoki_isthename9456]

That pick Boston got is NOT just Romeo Langford. Yes, it also included Josh Richardson, but pick paved the way for Derrick White, who's now a main contributor to this Celtics team.

[@Shortballa11]

I would say a side contributor

[@dominiquesmith7680]

@@Shortballa11 Absolutely not and that was shown throughout the playoff and is now in fruition with our team now

[@stang_shiesty9597]

That’s more on brad stevens for being such a great Gm and team builder

[@grapeape1965]

That is not how that works

[@Shortballa11]

@@dominiquesmith7680 does he contribute more than Tatum? Brown? Marcus Smart? Al Horford? Timelord? Malcolm Brogdon? Grant Williams? There can only be so many main contributors and he is replaceable

[@juliothom2408]

As a Celtic fan, this was a PERFECT trade for Boston. Getting Tatum AND an extra pick at 3 while Philly biffs on Fultz is absolutely GLORIOUS!

[@CS-np2oo]

Danny Ainge deserves ALOT of credit. He drafted practically our entire starting Roster. Smart. Brown. Tatum. Both Williams. His vision is coming to life.

[@chunky9791]

Sixers fan, God I think about this everytime I see how special Tatum is & it freaking kills me

[@juliothom2408]

If Philly really wanted Tatum, Boston would have kept Tatum at #1.

[@futurehofer1564]

think about how y'all traded Markelle for Jonathon Simmons lol

[@stickman1742]

Don't worry about it. Ainge wouldn't have made the trade if he thought the Sixers were going to take Tatum. The entire basketball world said Fultz should be #1, but Ainge didn't want him. No way Ainge drafts Fultz or Ball at #1 as Ainge has never worried about what others think. Ainge only made the trade because everyone knew what the Sixers and Lakers wanted.

[@nono-qe2yq]

@@futurehofer1564 no they got the pick that became tyrese maxey

[@skyblueflakes2080]

@@juliothom2408 Markelle and Lonzo were clearly the best players in that draft. And Boston would possibly pick Markelle to share a backcourt with Isaiah Thomas, clearly because Markelle is a consensus number 1 pick. If the Celtics didn't trade that No. 1 pick, Isaiah Thomas still in Boston and would never traded for Kyrie.

[@itsallenwow]

I hope Fultz can have a career turnaround like Andrew Wiggins who just needed another team and a few years to figure stuff out in the right environment.

[@grapeape1965]

Absolutely nothing alike. Wiggins was still a career and consistent 20ppg scorer during his career in Minnesota, was still an insane athlete with great size and a very good defender when he tried, his whole thing was mental even in college. He still contributed at an all star level player at that time for years. He was just overpaid, by a lot, and that’s whe there was a negative view of him. Not worth THAT money, but still easily the type of player that would get the next level down from a max from a slew of teams. Just completely different ends of the spectrum as players and their stories and reasons get they are, or were viewed, as a negative overall asset at that specific time.

[@tj5180]

​@@grapeape1965 wiggins was never a good defender on the wolves and was inefficient lol. Not until he joined the warriors he improved including his defense got better.

[@mxhughes]

His role in golden state only proved without a doubt that Wiggins is not a #1 guy like ppl kept thinking he was.Yall love to move the goal post when it's convient.Ppl assumed Wiggins would be an elite wing.Yes the wolves are a goofy organization but regardless wiggins was never that ball dominant shot creating star wing that ppl felt he would be.In golden state he's a very good defender and very solid 3rd option in the perfect system for his abilities

[@declanl6239]

@@grapeape1965 bad take on Wiggins. Guy could score, but always had bad efficiency and took a lot of bad shots and a lot of deep 2s. Discussion has changed on him but because of the warriors system, every player becomes their best version in that system and whenever they leave they aren’t the same. Can’t judge fultz against that as Wiggins wouldn’t be what he is today anywhere else. He was a terrible defender for the wolves. Also his career in Orlando has actually been pretty solid he’s just been ridiculously unlucky with injuries.

[@KingJerbear]

I still wish we could have that 2017 season back where Gordon Hayward got injured in the very first game. Aside from it throwing our whole season off, I really feel like it killed Gordon's confidence even when he did end up coming back. That roster was absolutely stacked, but in hindsight I'm sure that injury just helped to develop JB and Tatum even faster than had Gordon been there to play the entire time

[@markmelillo5699]

If that injury never happens Tatum's development is grossly stunted and JB's even more. In reality that injury was the best thing for Tatum same thing with the Kyrie injury right before the playoffs. i wish they never signed Kemba and got Brogdon and another player instead, also that Indiana Turner for Hayward would have ben nice

[@markmelillo5699]

@@mezzb them pushing brown to the bench in favor of hayward was a bad choice

[@jonashworth3827]

its all crybaby kyrie's fault

[@ben_reaper]

the only problem was that brad forced hayward into the starting lineup when he clearly didn’t fit. it affected chemistry and the locker room. we were first seed without him, it didn’t “throw off” any thing about the season

[@johnb7053]

@Jeremy King it felt like it threw the whole season off when it happened but that team went on a crazy win streak and probably makes it to the finals if Kyrie doesn’t get hurt too, hell they should of made it without him, it was the next season where it all went to shit

[@lifeonthelake4367]

There's Tatum and then there's everyone else in this draft class.

[@grapeape1965]

Lmao no there isn’t. Tatum wasn’t even gonna win rookie of the year if Simmons wasn’t a rookie this year. It was still between Mitchell and Simmons. Lol Mitchell is without a doubt in the same tier as Tatum as far as this draft class goes

[@tipc6053]

@@grapeape1965 Bro you sound like a salty Sixers fan lmao. 1st of all Tatum couldn't have won ROTY because of his role. He was the 4th option only taking 10 shots a game while Simmons was running an offense in Philly while Mitchell was the 1st option in Utah. It wasn't till the playoffs when Kyrie got hurt and boston started running the offense through him when they started seeing how great he could be like when he cooked Simmons and sent Philly packing as a rookie. As for the Mitchell thing, he ain't in the same tier stop it. Mitchell top 15 Tatum top 5

[@tj5180]

Mitch and bam don't exist

[@butt3428]

@@D_E_11 I mean he's better than Mitchell by a wide margin and Bam isn't even in the same stratosphere offensively.. So yeah the point stands

[@masondupre518]

@@grapeape1965 if Mitchell was in tatums stratosphere he wouldn’t be on his second team already, he was traded for 3 firsts and role players at the time. If Tatum was on the block the Celtics would get the most anyone’s ever gotten for a player for him.

[@kurtwagner350]

Fultz has looked really good in his time in Orlando

[@mperformance3502]

He’s still a bust. He’s the #1 overall pick and is the 4th best player in Orlando

[@domibrcin5216]

@@mperformance3502 my mans is hurt 90% of the time cant really call that a bust, just unlucky

[@bradleysanchez4201]

Not really. He is still a bust. And certainly isn’t better than Tatum.

[@futurehofer1564]

@@mperformance3502 4th best? LMAO

[@rey4929]

@@mperformance3502 he’s better than franz. Franz is good but that tunnel vision type of play only works when the defense isn’t locked in on you

[@Sobchak2]

Fultz had a string of season-ending injuries. It all boils down to that.

[@jacksonwaugh1958]

So did Ben Simmons but he still made all star teams

[@nolimitomo]

boston really fleeced the Nets and Sixers😭

[@tannermcboss4710]

l am a Celtics fan so I'm happy this didn't happen but damn Simmons, Tatum, and, Emidid would of been a nasty trio for next decade.

[@kaitsu1952]

Alongside butler and harris if they still decided to make those trades

[@zwebackshyper9307]

being from stl i got to watch tatum a lot from the start of his high school career in 2017 i was one of the very few that would have had him go 1st overall from watching him play and getting a feel of the time of person he is i just knew he was going to succeed

[@dentonyoung4314]

I would say a similar situation was the 1980 draft. The Warriors traded up to get the #1 overall pick, trading with Boston and giving them a player in return for swapping picks. With the #1 overall pick, the Warriors selected Joe Barely Cares... er, Joe Barry Carroll. The Celtics used their pick to get Kevin McHale. And the player the Warriors threw in to swap up to the #1 pick was Robert Parish.

[@fazr6103]

This is the first thing I thought of too. As quality as the video this guy made is, it's annoying when people make a video about history, without knowing any history before they were born. 😒

[@grjoseph]

And there’s no speculation. That trade won championships for the Celtics!

[@clownfishman6511]

Critiques pushed Ainge out of Boston. Luckily, Stevens has done a surprisingly great job. I doubt he’ll pull off mastermind moves as good as some of Ainge’s but he’s been really good

[@marcinna8553]

I doubt Celtics ownership listens to the local "critiques". Ainge was there for 18 years, and it was a good time to make a change. I agree Stevens has done well -- picking up Derrick White and Malcom Brogdon, bringing back Horford, etc.

[@clownfishman6511]

@@marcinna8553 well Ainge immediately went to Utah afterwards

[@adizzle7457]

Well the thing is.. if Philly didn’t take the trade Boston would have taken Tatum number 1 overall regardless. Danny played Philly.

[@jaysabz7775]

Yeah... Danny Ainge indeed, being the GM of the C's a couple of years ago, was phenomenal on his craft... And he continued his legacy in Utah!

[@ericsmith3936]

The Gobert trade was an Ainge masterclass

[@speedgolf]

Boston has a great track record when trading down from 1-1 to 1-3 in a draft. June 9 1980: Celtics traded picks 1-1 and 1-13 in the 1980 NBA draft to Golden State for pick 1-3 in the 1980 NBA draft and Robert Parish. June 10 1980 NBA Draft day: 1. Golden State selected Joe Barry Carroll (1-1) and Rickey Brown (1-13) 2. The Celtics selected Kevin McHale (1-3). Boston ended up with two Hall of Fame players with combined Win Shares of 235.4 for their Boston careers. Golden State got combined Win Shares of 35.4 from Carroll/Brown during their Golden State careers. I'm sticking with the 1980 trade as the most lopsided "trading out of the first overall pick" deal in NBA history.

[@masondupre518]

Danny also took Brown the year before at 3 when everyone thought he reached

[@Deondre_Clark]

This is such an example of talent evaluation being art not science. Nobody REALLY knows what an 18 to 20 year old is going to do with enormous pressure, fame, and wealth let alone whether or not they're going to grow as players. Someone can answer all the questions about their drive and work ethic but it's all just talk until they do it. And there's also no way to know whether Tatum becomes who he is if he's perpetually the number 2 guy in Philly

[@shorewall]

For real. Would Kawhi have developed the same on a team other than San Antonio, behind Manu, Parker, and Duncan, going to the finals, getting a 3pt shot, being the heir to Duncan as a franchise player?

[@futurehofer1564]

Markelle did everything perfectly well, he just ended up developing TOS, no one could have seen that coming and his comeback has been insane and soon he will be an all star

[@LongNguyen-mp4ts]

Danny Ainge is making smart trade for Utah Jazz right now

[@shorewall]

The fact that the Rudy Gobert Trade is seen as one of the worst trades of all time, shows that it was one of the best trades of all time for Utah. :D

[@shorewall]

And I'm happy that the Jazz aren't stuck with RJ Barret's huge contract.

[@futurehofer1564]

@@shorewall is not one of the worst trades, it could become soon but it is way too early to tell

[@shorewall]

@@futurehofer1564 I'm rooting for Gobert, and we'll have to see.

[@kombokhan]

Ainge is an absolute genius and it's showing over there in Salt Lake City as well. Wherever he goes will have a bright future. Thankyou Ainge for everything you built for this dynasty

[@nellyville69]

If markelle fultz didn't got injured he could have potentially be a combination of jrue holiday and James harden the talent and versatility plus the IQ he was clearly the best player in that 2016 draft class 💯

[@klauswagner1607]

Dallas traded Robert Traylor for Dirk Nowitzki and Garrity was an even more lopsided trade. Especially since Dallas used Garrity (along a first round pick) to get Nash.

[@PutXi_Whipped]

In 1980 the Celtics under Red Auerbach traded the #1 overall pick Joe Barry Carroll for Robert Parish and the 3rd pick which was (looking at notes) Kevin McHale. Nobody is topping that for a draft night trade.

[@ChrisbeFoSerious]

Sad part is that Fultz would be FANTASTIC off the Sixers bench right now. Still super excited to see how Fultz progresses over the next 1-3 years. Dude is such a good player.

[@chemicalhap]

Rofl. REALLLY??? maybe serviceable but heh....not Tatum

[@ChrisbeFoSerious]

@@chemicalhap no one said he’s Tatum. Still one of the best playmakers and finishers in the league. Mid range shot is butter and he’s been shooting well from 3 despite low volume.

[@jagray3269]

If fultz didn't have that freak injury he'd have been an absolutely incredible player But Tatum is the best player in the NBA I don't think fultz could have developed into THAT even if everything went perfect as far as injuries and development went

[@jagray3269]

@@ChrisbeFoSerious we can't judge fultz in this trade based on what he is after one of the freakiest injuries in the history of sports I think fultz would have been an incredible player if not for the shoulder injury But the odds of him becoming the best player in the NBA like Tatum has is about 0

[@ChrisbeFoSerious]

@@jagray3269 no one is saying he’s going to be just as good or better than Tatum lol. That doesn’t negate that’s he’s still a great point guard despite the injuries and still has immense room to flourish.

[@bizzle3115]

I was at the magic game tonight. Fultz lead the magic against the lakers. Still has potential in my opinion

[@buckeyecountry04]

Some other trades in that draft were fun. The Nuggets trading the 13th pick (Donovan Mitchell) to the Jazz for Trey Lyles and 24 (Tyler Lydon) The other one that stands out is the Bulls getting 7 (Lauri Markkanen), Zach LaVine, and Kris Dunn from Minnesota for Jimmy Butler and 16 (Justin Patton).

[@michaellee258]

Im a Sixers fan. Fultz played great in the preseason, I was so excited! But sometimes it's smoke and mirrors.

[@hemifete00]

As a Celtics fan, I love rubbing in the 76ers’ fan… that we have “him” and they got …squat

[@marcusmosiahgarveysr4310]

“We think there’s a really good chance the player we’ll take at three is the same player we would have taken at one." - Danny Ainge

[@nbapbaupdate8338]

Danny Ainge effect 🤣😅😂

[@123fourfive5]

I'd call it luck or Ainge saw something everyone else didn't. I'd also say a big factor to Tatum's development is the Celtics organization. They love building their own players and keeping them. That's why so much of their current roster has been with them for years.

[@CS-np2oo]

Ainge saw something no one else did. He drafted this whole roster practically. He picked Jaylen Brown the year before. Smart was his draft pick. As was Robert Williams and Grant Williams. Ainge obviously had a vision of how he wanted this team to look.

[@yareyaredaze9450]

Fulltz is coming back, don't even doubt it

[@jmackwinz4383]

The Celtics made the right desiring tracking kg and pierce to the nets now he have the best players in the world with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown

[@BillionDollarBrandon]

Finally someone makes a video on this trade

[@arvinsarbah741]

The 2017 draft and the 17-18 was the first year I really started watching basketball. I'm a rockets fan but the sixers are my second favorite team. I really thought Fultz was going to be the next great guard in the league.

[@tipc6053]

Bro everybody did including me and as a Celtics fan I was hype that we got the #1 pick cause of all the noise I heard of this Fultz kid. I was legit pissed when I saw the news that my team traded the great Fultz for some guy named Tatum but here we are 5 years later I couldn't be happier

[@cheezy3520]

Also you should make a video reflecting on the Kyrie Celtics era. Crazy how they had that much talent and never made the finals

[@SportingLogically]

For sure!

[@stickman1742]

Haywood got a serious injury in game 1 so he wasn't even playing and Kyrie and the young players didn't mix too well for whatever reason. Brad as a coach didn't seem to know how to control egos so that didn't help. It was very obvious that they played their best in the 1st postseason when both Haywood and Kyrie were injured and didn't play.

[@chemicalhap]

Because. Kyrie has messed up every team he has been on without LeBron. Including Cleveland before LeBron.

[@jstopgamingl1671]

@@chemicalhap yeah it's totally all kyries fault that tatum brown and rozier stank it up against the bucks because they thought they were better than they actually were. To blame it all on kyrie is ridiculous

[@kaitsu1952]

That was really just bad luck. Hayward had a seasong ending injury after an all-star season om the jazz and while kyrie and the other celtics were playing top basketball (16-0 run) also kyrie got injured. Then the young guys made an impressive run to be 1 game away from the finals but the next year nothing was the same anymore. I can guarantee that a fully healthy Celtics team in 2017-18 would have gone toe to toe with the warriors superteam in the finals.

[@OtisKopp]

Let’s not forget that Romeo Langford ended up being part of the package for D White. Danny Ainge taught Brad Stephens well.

[@podcitytv]

Hey do u upload on FB?

[@taj3618]

Being a Sixers fan is rough. I still hope Fultz is able to get it together

[@irietropicals4255]

Yooo chilllll. Tatum has played 347 games, Fultz 144. Fultz is finally healthy. He is actually shooting a higher percentage from the field and higher in 3s. Calling him a bust isn’t the best choice of word selection

[@GameMasterAddict235]

its funny cuz i vividly still remember this draft class and the news/ projections prior to the drafting, i never heard Tatum as a 3rd pick. its always Fox or Jackson.

[@eitherholyorevil7546]

What even Crazy the Nets pick that get from Boston was later on traded on 2017 draft day selected #27 Kyle Kuzma for Lakers

[@jamesjohnson1167]

Tucker you should do a vid on what trade has the longest ties in the nba Ex 1960 blank gets traded for a 2nd. That 2nd turns into Joe, then in 1972 joe gets traded for a 1st. Then that 1st round guy gets traded in 1980. Etc etc you should get it by now

[@SportingLogically]

The NBA trade rewind videos used to do really well a few years ago. Don’t get much traction anymore for whatever reason!

[@jamesjohnson1167]

@@SportingLogically I miss them is all not gonna lie you’re the only true nets fan I know I remember when you were uploading pre covid (2018 ish without the beard)

[@dave_407]

What about Vooch for Wendell Carter Jr and two firsts(Franz Wagner)

[@bsbro]

As a Philly fan... It still hurts even today, but at least Philly sending Fultz to orlando got us a late first round pick and that ended up being Maxey. At least that makes this slightly easier to endure...

[@chiboz3483]

The thought of Tatum and Embid together, gives me shivers.

[@thehealdcrew1868]

Yeah that would be a dominant duo

[@SynysterEskimo]

Imagine Tatum going to Philly with Ben and Joel. 😳

[@charlebob4u]

Definitely do the Trae young and Luka doncic trade! Great videos!

[@Chrisicola]

Honestly, coming out of college, Fultz looked like a can't miss and solid pick in the mold of a Brandon Roy type of player (another Lorenzo Romar coached player at UW). A very decent midrange shooter with the ability to take it to the basket and was NBA body/experience ready. I know he had an unfortunate onset medical condition that derailed things like Roy's knee did him. Would he have better than Tatum if he was healthy? Who knows- but I believe Fultz would've been a high level player.

[@camcam1293]

The dude had literal severe nerve damage, and that’s something that he will live with forever his shoulder no matter how good it gets willl never feel how it is supposed to, how it felt his whole life, and yall have no compassion for him it’s crazy. And was playin games tryna push thru and philly did not handle him properly, but looks like a stud pg that contribute to a winning team

[@BTI508]

Celtics Nation ovah here 😂 cuz we got one again 😤 💚🦾

[@bmont170]

Never forget the sixers took Simmons snd Fultz over Brown and Tatum in back to back drafts 😂

[@thewildformosanformosan]

Ainge is GOAT GM, period

[@murloc_rampage3856]

It's honestly insane that Tatum is better than Embiid. His, simmons and embiid on Philly this year with Tobias could legitimately have been to the finals at least twice because unlike simmons, Tatum is not afraid to shoot

[@declanl6239]

This is a really rare trade where you can’t look at it through hindsight. Do not buy for a second Boston rated Tatum higher, every team says that after the draft as a PR thing it’s really pretty simple, especially as at the time of that comment fultz was having one of the worst rookie seasons in history. The staff and players were constantly asked about how fultz’s fit on the team would be, obviously buying into all that is also a strategy with trading the pick but it comes from the fact that fultz wouldn’t have fit the team especially considering Boston was constantly trying to cash in on their treasure chest of assets. Having gone with an athletic raw wing the prior season in brown, makes far more sense going for a offensive wing that would fit regardless of what players they traded for and considering Tatum was always considered a player that could contribute offensively right away. Luckily everything with star traded players getting injured allowing him to step up and then gradually becoming a bigger piece in the team was a major key to him developing to what he is now.

[@kingkalil2113]

Do the lucka trae video also the harden finesse

[@jamesiii2330]

Bryan Colangelo and the NBA overthrew Hinkie and destroyed the Process.

[@timskaggs3762]

Glossed over in this video - not a criticism of Tucker BTW - is Ainge getting greedy, getting that extra pick is indirectly paying off for the Spurs (thank you very much!). Romeo Langford is flourishing in San Antonio. He scored 23 tonight on the Knicks, is nightly playing stellar defense, and looks to be a long-term find for them.

[@Bruhndle]

I would love to hear your opinion on the future of the league. Like the Magic and Pistons both suck right now but in the future they can be amazing. The kings look really good too and they’re young. Even Golden states future is bright. I honestly would love to hear what you have to say about what the NBA might look like 5 years from now

[@fazr6103]

If Brown stays in Boston, the future of league is the Celtics, the Pelicans, and Dallas if they can get a piece or two around Luka.

[@tannermcboss4710]

At the time I was pissed we didn't get Fultzs and after we went to third I wanted Josh jackson thank god we took tatum

[@austintripp9297]

Just say you never seen tatum play before he was drafted?

[@tannermcboss4710]

@@austintripp9297 I’ve seen Tatum before he was drafted don’t watch any college ball

[@UKJohnWa11]

all aside fultz is starting to look better recently. obviously not to tatum's level but hes turning into a starting level PG

[@dingc.velasco6038]

This was why Markelle Fultz made fun of JT when the Magic won over the Celtics two weeks ago. He couldn't understand why Danny Ainge went to great lengths to get Tatum.

[@Hans-dm1vr]

Fultz is really improving himself in Orlando right now

[@himekomurata72]

Fultz is steadily improving even after the injuries. He could've been a lesser Ja Morant with better jumpshot if he didn't have that freak injury.

[@NickMachado]

As a celtics fan, thank you Brooklyn and Philly for being so god damn incompetent.

[@Absynthe23]

The thing is Boston was picking Tatum anyway. Even if Philly didn't engage with the trade, Boston would've just picked Tatum with the #1 pick.

[@SirCaptainKebap]

don't forget how much celtic fans hated the j. brown pick, they had pushed for buddy hield SOOO hard. ainge had a magnificent instinct over the years, with a lot of people inside and outside the team/fanbase doubting him throughout

[@kranberryxox]

I like how you used a old pic of Kelz and not him currently. 🤔

[@ajaxmajor]

I know a guy who knows a guy who's the celtics team doctor, and the story I heard was he could tell that fultz was injury prone. I don't remember the details, but somehow he knew fultz would be a high injury risk

[@mrev1l100]

This comes down to Danny Ainge being smarter than the rest of the league’s Gm’s. High robbery from the nets and then knowing the lakers and 6ers wouldn’t take Tatum. Genius

[@mcfly531]

Keep in mind the Celtics didn’t need a guard back then. They had Kyrie and we’re hyped to have him back then.

[@davidyang1160]

Tbh I always thought it was overrated how people thought Boston "fleeced" the 76ers. Boston held the number 1 pick and at the time Isaiah Thomas was still seen as a top 5-10 point guard - Tatum was always going to be the pick for them. The pick that Celtics got ended up being Langford who hasn't done anything in the NBA. It was great foresight by Ainge and it was a great draft pick, but the trade itself wasn't nearly as bad as say, Luka getting traded for Trae Young.

[@officialillmortal]

As a Celtics fan, I remember the fans being incredibly pissed off that night. I remember personally being furious, I felt certain fultz was a future superstar, didn't know anything really about Tatum, and if we didn't draft him, I wanted Josh Jackson. Let's just say, I'm glad I'm not a GM lol

[@tipc6053]

This is exactly how I felt as well like why the hell we trading the future superstar Fultz for the what's his name guy

[@phightinphil25]

I always though Josh Jackson was terrible, I never saw what anybody else saw in him. On the other hand I did and still do think that if Fultz doesn't have the injury problems he would at worst be one of the better two way guards in the league.

[@my_other_side473]

Kobe actually wanted the Lakers to Draft Tatum. But Magic Johnson wants Lonzo Ball cause he likes Pass First Guard like him, While Kobe saw a young Kobe in Tatum, a potentially great Two Way player like Him also.

[@waynetables6414]

lebron knew ainge was gonna make that trade

[@gavinmock8156]

If Markelle never hurts his shoulder he is a top ten pg in the league and Philly has a chip

[@chemicalhap]

Nah. Even when he was healthy he was bad. Or....Philly just messes up players

[@roberteberly727]

@@chemicalhap he never was healthy tho??

[@grapeape1965]

Lmao hell no. He’s been a head case and a mental midget since high school and that was as big of a factor as his injury when he was trying to just quit anyway. He sure af wasn’t gonna be a top ten point guard in this nba we’ve had since he entered it against that competition

[@tipc6053]

Naw

[@stickman1742]

Ainge was very clear in that draft that he didn't care for Fultz. He didn't say who he wanted, but he did not want Fultz or Ball. He swapped the picks and explained it by saying he would get the guy he wants anyway. There was a lot of speculation on who that player was with Tatum being the most popular projection, but no one knew for sure. If Ainge was still at 1 I'm sure he would still have taken the player he wanted in Tatum. If Ainge thought there was any chance that the Sixers or Lakers were going to take Tatum then he wouldn't have made the swap. This just ended up being one of those bad luck picks for the Sixers as Fultz was the consensus #1 for most. Interesting to note that Red Auerbach swapped his own #1 for a #3 in 1980 so that he could take McHale and let the Warriors draft Joe Barry Carroll. Red also picked up Robert Parrish in that same deal.

[@Collindunks]

Fultz ain’t a Bust. He’s just the most unlucky player in recent history. He’s like Greg oden. Oden wasn’t a bust either. Just ungodly unlucky

[@pabblo101]

Danny Ainge is a very savy GM, I would want him running my rebuild for sure. Sell high buy low!

[@Eggmancan]

Considering how many good prospects have floundered on the sixers, one wonders if Tatum would have been the talent he is today if things had gone differently.....

[@mrleemrleeohmrlee]

The only other trade I can think of that was this lopsided was Robert "Tractor" Traylor for Dirk Nowitzki on draft night in 1998.

[@NeumsFor9]

I don't think we've quite heard the end of this story. It's entering another chapter as we speak. I think we can all agree Billy King is illequipped to create a winning NBA mentality. Tyrese Maxey is everything Fultz was supposed to be, and the saga continues.....

[@mazzb305]

If Philly traded up and picks Tatum, they’re a dynasty and the Simmons drama likely never occurs.

[@SkippyThatGamer]

Not to forget, Romeo Langford turned into trading for Derrick White signed until 2025

[@chinbosschinboss2484]

Fultz isn't a Jason Tatum and he's definitely not worth the 1st pick in the draft but he is actually putting up VERY solid numbers right now.

[@crvgwb2715]

Calling Fultz a bust is the most unfair shit ever. Dude had nothing going his way, and still gonna be a starter in this league

[@gan_rr28]

He already is a starter and he making the us win games

[@Mr.Sax.]

You don't draft someone 1st overall just to be a starter, you expect at least a perennial All-Star who is going to make some All-NBA teams. Now seeing the level of this draft and having an MVP candidate like Tatum right there, there's no other definition other than bust for Fultz. He's not a bad player but expectation for him was superstar and he's just a starter right now on a team which can make the playoffs but is not expected to do so.

[@jagray3269]

He's not a bust u can't call a player who didn't develop because of an injury, ESPECIALLY the freak injury he suffered, a budt

[@gan_rr28]

@@Mr.Sax. ye he was expected to do so but got held back by injury but still the magic with out him are just bad they we on a big losing streak when he was out but with him there winning and look at the Magic’s numbers with and without fultz

[@Mr.Sax.]

@@jagray3269 Most busts in history became busts because of injuries and/or mental health issues. A bust is someone who fails to achieve what is expected from him. Not all busts are complete failures who see themselves out of the league when their rookie contract is up. Some of them play for 10-15 years, some of them even make the all-star once or twice.

[@Noob_Guy2k]

Man if Philly got Tatum they’d be nuts back then when Simmons was good and embiid? That’s 2 titles

[@fanda6122]

maybe it was disproven but there was a theory his injury came from a dirtbike accident but he couldn't say it because it is a violation of most contracts to do extreme sports

[@ray101892]

I kinda stopped following the nba when kd went to the warriors but I could not believe my eyes when a rookie tatum and sophomore brown took monster lebron 7 games to dispatch in a conference finals without kyrie and hayward. Thank you brooklyn and philly indeed.

[@ace52387]

I dont get why top 5 picks care that much about playing time. Jackson really snubbed the celtics since he was afraid he would not get much playing time. Starting off the bench as a rookie top pick is the best of both worlds. You don’t want to be a starter and carry that load. You will “flash” and draw plenty of interest, without enough load to be written off if the production isn’t there yet. Coming off the bench gives you the most time to be intruiging without actually having to produce.

[@borisfenestra]

And keep in mind, the Celtics had the number 1 pick because of a shockingly brilliant trade in which the Celtics traded their entire core to Brooklyn, where they completely fell off.

[@timstile5840]

Danny ainge all time gm... Not to mention all the picks that people said sucked last few years ... Rob Williams grant Williams Payton prichard etc are starting to look better and better

[@JPwiththeL]

You should definitely do a video on the Luka-Trae draft night trade

[@SportingLogically]

Will do

[@NoName-il3wk]

It's simple Hawks fucked up , yes they still a all nba 3rd team player out of trae young but if they just had Luka with the same roster they are a legitimate contender

[@bm730]

SL the Best nba channel

[@SportingLogically]

Thank you!

[@lenn26y]

I never thought he would be better than tatum. Even during draft night.

[@hsnando1395]

Danny Ainge doesn’t get nearly enough credit for his moves as a GM in Boston. Not to mention how he’s repeating the same formula in Utah

[@futurehofer1564]

Anyone that calls Markelle Fultz a bust has ZERO basketball knowledge, bro had a career ending injury and now shoots better free throws than actual bust Lonzo Ball. Also, since he came back the Magic has been winning like crazy, but I guess you will say it is a coincidence lol If it wasnt for that injury, he would be on the same level if not better than Tatum

[@antifaschi7869]

The Magic are really fun to watch. They have so much young talent. I like Fultz too and his talent, how he fights for every ball and he seems to be a great teammate. I hope this core of him, Banchero and Wagner stay together for a long time.

[@alexescutia4805]

What was that injury though? We never found out about it there’s only been theories it’s really weird

[@pcharl01]

I'll always wonder if Fultz didn't fall off of the cliff and was at least slightly above average or at the median shooter, if the backlash against Simmons would have still happened? Would Simmons refusal to shoot still have been as big of an issue if Fultz averaged 19-24 ppg and at least one shooter from their 2019 still played well?