The internet wants the new staccato HD

[@thepracticalrifleman]

My question is will the new mags fit Glocks? 😂

[@stevetazphoto]

What if Glocks new generation of perfection is a fucking 2011! 🤣

[@InkwellFoto]

That's genius

[@combatant_training_group]

As Ben said, I’m one of those financially secure dudes that haven’t bought a Staccato yet, not because I can’t but because I bought a dirt bike and a quad instead… it’s not a matter of can/cannot, it’s a matter of what else could I do with the cash. All the same, I’ll probably buy the new Glock mag one cause I won’t have to spend hundreds on mags. I like spending money, but I put at least a little thought into the process.

[@thepracticalrifleman]

I bought land instead of things like Stacattos.

[@markevans658]

In fairness a Staccato is a less poor investment than a quad or dirt bike. You can also get Staccato mags for $45, while Glock mags go for about $25. Big scheme of things it’s not a big difference.

[@Jay_Spesh_Stay_Fresh]

@@thepracticalrifleman I bought a house instead of a staccato lol Then I built 3 Mk12s…🫤

[@thepracticalrifleman]

@ yeah those can be spendy. Saw dudes paying $1300 for KAC rails.

[@maxximus2012]

If you pay taxes and you're cool with your local LE buying Staccatos, you are high.

[@0228mustang]

Agree 💯%

[@Duda4711]

You must be high or not thinking straight. I rather equip and train my local LE agency than send billions to Israel, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Illegal Immigrants, etc.

[@monsterman92-w2l]

Quite a few departments make cops buy their own gun, within certain requirements of course. But a lot of cops personally own that gun they use for duty.

[@griftinggamer]

​@Duda4711 I'd rather not do either. Police are wayyy out of control.

[@MS-1994]

My LE dad carried S&W for almost 40 years and they served him fine.

[@jamesBunkley]

I'm super interested in the HD especially since i'm a lefty.

[@nilknoc101]

There are no *fully*-ambi all-metal hammer-fired options on the market and that’s why I too am interested as a lefty. In my mind the next best option is a p30, but I really would like a metal frame.

[@wvlongshooter3912]

Hey Ben, don’t forget, most of the poors that complain about the prices of the 2011’s, have $20,000 - $30,000 side by sides setting outside in front of their trailer.

[@CptFUNK1]

The bank owns those :)

[@wvlongshooter3912]

@ true, that’s funny. Thanks!!

[@Gun_Dork]

“Do it.” - Palpatine

[@jpipaj]

Good point Ben, this offering peaked my interest more than C did. As a Glock shooter who enjoys my staccato it will definitely probably usher me into shooting staccato full time. My biggest apprehension was the surplus of Glock mags I would have to contend with, but now… we shall see

[@True_Patriotx]

I have a SA platypus on order that I will get in March. When I get it I am going to sell it and buy the P4.5 HD. The DLC on the Staccato is way better, ambi controls, thumb ledge, and rear direct mount optic, and sight block.

[@Unpaidshill]

$300 cash. Have it ready after 5pm…

[@slittcerslitt-sir7722]

That’s because there is no DLC on the platypus. They only cerakote.

[@mndayman]

20:49 “i don’t look at gas prices, what fuck imma do? not get gas?”

[@griftinggamer]

Must be nice. I shop around and usually save at least 10-20 cents a gallon because I have to use premium. ...unscrupulous h1b buisiness owners love to fill premium tanks with 89 and mark it up 50 cents thinking no one will notice because everyone looks at the 87 price.

[@markevans658]

I just hit Costco and don’t worry about it, figure prices won’t get much better.

[@zues287]

​@@markevans658Costco is always the cheapest gas in town. Add that to the fact their a Top Tier gas, and there's no reason to shop around if you're already paying for a membership.

[@final3119]

@@griftinggamercongrats. You saved yourself $1-$2 while using half a gallom of gas to go out of your way to buy it.

[@griftinggamer]

@final3119 Nah, I didn't. I drive at least an hour every day and the usual spot or two that works out isn't out of the way. Thanks for Dad advice though r3t4rd

[@DirectActionReviews]

We need more videos from the Penthouse Ben, you are too good for that Hilton Garden Inn kind of room!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@xdeslitx]

"I'm the right amount of stupid to buy these guns". Had me cracking up. I'm 10 times the idiot for not buying Staccato because they're "entry level" 2011s

[@axegrinder]

Para Ordnance double stacks were also series 80.

[@joshmatthews3450]

I don't like the Platy but if you're so concerned about the cerakote, pick e-series colors. Elite Cerakote lasts forever. And you can get a lot of the parts in Black Nitride. It's still a better competition gun than the HD. It has a Series 70 trigger that can be tuned lighter, steel frame, deep direct optics cut, lots more customization in the ergonomics. The HD will undoubtedly be the better gun for the oper8tors out there.

[@k9_rbron826]

The word for the day, "accoutrement."

[@mousemx1534]

I can say I’m interested in the HD

[@traillesstravelled7901]

I believe the interest in competitive shooting will increase over the next couple years. As everyone, for some reason bought firearms in 2020-2024, it's only natural that some will take it to the next level. Going from learner, competent, regular interest, hobby, enthusiast, observation. It will be a small % that make it to that point, but their ego/pride/sense of betterment will want a test, not role playing fantasy (larping), but a measure, being timed and stacked up to other people who are actually trying.

[@jeb4059]

Not sure I will go for this but as someone who has had issues with small hands not always keeping down the bumped grip safety, interested to see the removal of grip safety. But in reading about Sheild Arms Glock magazines requiring a metal mag release, doesn't the opposite hold true that the Staccato metal mag release will wear out the ledge on Glock mags and therefore only compatable in the short term?

[@Korbloth]

I think this is an excellent consideration that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere. And is probably the reason they are sold with mecgar steel mags in the Glock pattern instead of just Glock mags.

[@jasonriggs3655]

The prodigy just dropped in 3.5” and 4.25 in compact 15 round configuration

[@RetARMYjohn]

Yes, I am the right amount of stupid to buy this gun also Ben!😂

[@fearnonebutone4977]

I enjoy your content for sure, thank you for making solid videos! I do wonder though, why everyone makes a huge deal about the series 70/Staccato issue of not being “drop safe”. Many people have since sworn off using these for duty, while EVERYONE is completely silent about how military and LE agencies use/have used SBR’s and various AR platforms for war/close quarter combat, police deployment, SWAT deployment etc when these have the EXACT same “drop safe” problem as the Staccato. The chances of dropping an SBR on the battlefield is much higher than a civilian who carries at the grocery store. The series 70 1911 without the firing pin block was used in World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War and soldiers didn’t consider this a huge deal. My LE agency only allowed G22’s (now G17’s), but Tac Response guys and SWAT guys used SBR’s and Yuma county SO guys used Kimber 1911’s and I don’t recall anyone being concerned with the issue. That said, I understand your points and agree that safety is a huge priority, I just kind of feel that since your video, many people are making a bigger issue of it than it needs to be. Side note: Staccato reacted and made the HD now with Glock mags. So if that is the direction they are going, it kind of sucks for those who spent thousands and thousands on their older handguns. I wonder if they will stop the service and production of older models and slow production of their mags. It’s hard enough to get C and CS mags, lol.

[@James_the_not_so_magnificent]

Pass. Already have a glock mag 2011 from SA. This new offering also has two features I dont want, external extractor ( been burned before) and series 80 safety. Hope they do well, though. Who knows, their external extractor may actually work.

[@pyramus7958]

The only issue I can see with the glock pattern mags is that the ones the HD comes with are metal, Lets assume they do a metal mag catch the glock mags will have it plastic worn out. So you may still be required to run the stacatto mags at least for duty purposes.

[@DavidLyle65535]

IIRC, they're Mec-gar. Spendy for a glock mag, but half a staccato.

[@CurtGodwin]

I have a couple of Staccatos (C and CS), and the only thing I *don't* like about them are the price (and general availability) of the mags. I also have a couple of the OA Defense 2311s, and since they use P320 mags, it's so much easier to get a decent number (at a decent price). Also, since the 2311s have pretty much all of the features/benefits of the HD, I'm not planning to get one.

[@milspecmike8440]

As the owner of both a P and a C, I’m kind of pissed. I supported the change to the V3 platform to modernize the pistol, most of the upgrades on the HD, I support as well but now they have dumped on anyone owning a CS or C and ensured a pair of models they ran for less than 2 years will have little support. Mags were already hard to find which kind of throws a wet towel on the theory they couldn’t sell the pistols, they were so new that there exists like 1 legit magwell, one goody magwell, and a mainspring extension. I’ve seen baseplates from one or two unknown companies, no springs for the mags, no recoil assemblies (maybe those are the same as the HD), etc. switching away from their own mag (which every other pistol not a Glock clone or a couple new 2011 makers has done forever) ensures no one will spend the money to make parts for them. I’ll remain happy with my C if I can get parts but kinda sucks they left us high and dry like this. I’m not going to be in the market to replace my P or C so the HD doesn’t do enough to entice me (although happy to see they stuck with the steel frame on the new model).

[@tgert0803]

I agree - I own a C2 and feel fine because those mags won’t go away due to the huge amount of 2011s out there from so many makers, but seems like owners of the C and CS have kinda gotten put in a bad spot with the proprietary mags and grip design. And you know compact and other versions of the HD are on their way…

[@405cop5]

Own 2 Stealth Arms 4.5 and 5 inch and one staccato c2. The quality of both is close. The Staccato has the better finish . Both Stealths have better trigger and shoot them better , the grip is not as thick. I wanted a steel frame, so ordered the XP Pro. Will see how that one goes.

[@Justin-ly9zw]

Dude no one cares. Staccato takes it shitty Glock mags now and they don’t take 6 months or longer. That gun you rode so much in bed at night is now obsolete

[@RetARMYjohn]

I currently have a XC but the HD P4.5 with sight block does kind of peak my interest.

[@dylanholbrook6239]

Drop safe, external extractor, irons forward, Glock mags (compatability if your department lets you buy your own, but issues Glock). No grip safety, ambi slide release, safety, and convertible mag release for contracts. Should address contract/issuing requirements

[@JustDataReviews]

Enlarged trigger guard is the thing that draws me to it. It might just be a me problem but it's something I've been wanting on a 2011 for a while.

[@gameragodzilla]

Lack of grip safety actually does concern me unless they made other changes to the trigger. The grip safety on a 1911 keeps the trigger from being pulled by inertia if dropped on its back. Glocks and other modern handguns have a trigger blade for that purpose but 1911 triggers are straight back so wouldn’t work with that kind of safety. The P320 lacking either a grip or trigger blade safety is why it had that drop safety issue before.

[@dylanholbrook6239]

@@gameragodzilla it has a manual safety to prevent trigger movement, and has a firing pin block to prevent drop fire. The previous staccato could fire with the safety on and the trigger not moving because the firing pin could get enough inertia to fire when dropped muzzle down. The series 80 block prevent that. With the safety on it is not mechanically drop safe for the first time.

[@gameragodzilla]

@ Yeah it’d be safe with the thumb safety engaged since that would block the trigger from being pulled, but you won’t be able to engage the thumb safety in time if it falls out of your hand while firing. The previous drop safety issue is completely different. It’s a slamfire from the firing pin not being blocked, which the firing pin block does resolve. My main concern is now the trigger being pulled by inertia without the grip safety, unless the thumb safety is already engaged.

[@dylanholbrook6239]

@gameragodzilla if you do it straight back in a way to pull the trigger would it not defeat the grip safety anyway?

[@hez2k]

I’m on the list for one. I’m in for a HD P4 premium package , DLC coated barrel and deeper slide serrations/windows and four mags included. I’m gonna downsize my striker fired fleet to help fund this which will be my main squeeze. I like the shorter guns , much like I preferred shooting my g19 over my g17. And the plus side is my current Glock mags with the extensions will be useable.

[@thereddaikon]

A lot of guys are saying a drop safe 2011 is a good idea. And it is. But I wonder how many will change their tune when they find out that series 80's dont have the legendary 1911 trigger. And you had to sacrifice that for the drop safe feature.

[@Justin-ly9zw]

So u hit up a competent gun smith and fix it yo your liking. That firing pin block doesn’t mean the trigger will be shit. You can make them pretty damn close to the “old” trigger

[@ChuckSneed88]

I have 3 series 80s guns and most of them have better triggers than all my series 70s aside from my custom open gun (series 70 SVI with a 1.5-2lb trigger). People act like having a fp block is the same as having the mag drop safety on a hi power and that it ruins the trigger. It doesn't. On a good gun the break will maybe feel a ever so slightly different but it doesnt feel any worse or feel like anything other than a 1911. Worth mentioning there's variations on the series 80 design and some companies did it differently such as kimber and how they'd also implement a swartz safety and also worth noting when series 80s guns came out many of them were budget line guns that wouldn't have come with a really nice or well tuned trigger to begin with and would've needed trigger work anyways which I think is a big part of the reputation the series 80 has.

[@luismazza7969]

Regardless it makes sense for duty so if trigger pull is a tad heavier and a tad mushier its a trade off worth having in this case

[@PnP-td1mt]

“Just hit up your gumsmif” 😂 It’s wild to see what people will come up with knowing the know f$&k all about how the stuff works. Give me the name of a “gumsmif” that has successfully obtained 70 series like pull from an 80 series.. you can’t..

[@armorers_wrench]

I'd wager they engineered a new firing pin block to avoid a true series 80 situation. If they didn't engineer a new solution then they should spend less on marketing.

[@conmanl4959]

For the guy in CA, apparently the HD will be on the roster

[@bret44]

Double stack Paras were series 80 and those are now being produced by Rock Island Armory. I would really like to see Ben get a RIA PRO Ultra Match HC 40S&W, it's basically a re-release of the old para 16-40 Limited that I still have and love. MBX makes mags for it too.

[@ChuckSneed88]

All RIAs are series 70 but I wish they offered a series 80s like para did. I have a bunch of paras and I love them.

[@bret44]

@@ChuckSneed88 Oh, that's good to know!

[@gameragodzilla]

RIA is Series 70 but otherwise you’re correct. RIA double stacks are still based off the Para Ordnance frame and therefore a lot of parts interchange. I mainly got my custom Para frame gun because the frame has higher capacity options for .45ACP. Maybe if Stealth Arms or some other company makes Glock 21 magazine compatible 2011s, that may change (though even those would require aftermarket extensions to meet or exceed the Para-frame mags I have).

[@TheDuppyman]

Gloccato forever

[@chipe420]

Who needs a staccato when you have H&Ks 😂

[@MSmatt76]

As a LEO, my opinion is it will be hard for Staccato to make a big impact in the LE community. Primarily upper tier groups will be interested. Anytime you give an officer a new piece of equipment their immediate reaction is, this sucks. The majority of guys only shoot when a range is scheduled, and any gear issued must be crap. I'm a suit and tie officer so guys in my world want small and lightweight, those are about the only metrics they consider. Also, the skill level across the board is so low there's no incentive for an agency to spend more, especially when a Glock is so cheap.

[@kylehuff9244]

But, is it?

[@noonesomeone669]

A common magazine is a plus for people living in states with magazine capacity restrictions. Plausible deniability about when you acquired magazines is nice to have versus a firm date of when a proprietary magazine became available.

[@Burton3375]

And here I am trying to decide between a g48 or a g 45….

[@InkwellFoto]

G45

[@Burton3375]

@ that’s where I’m headed! I already have a g43x mos and a g19mos

[@schaef1722]

I don’t do iron sites with an op either, I can see them that’s why I use an optic duh.

[@mcnasty0322]

For me I'm a lefty so hd is my only option and I'm one of the guys that didn't like the no firing pin block so I have nothing to complain about now just the price

[@Honorificable]

I’m going to let you guys finance the development of the 2011

[@fuggleeartshow]

Ya know, you're right, I don't care about competition. I wasn't really thinking about it until you said it though. I just watch for the general entertainment, but with guns and gear I want stuff I can carry everyday if I feel like it. That tends to not be the context you evaluate things in, but its fun to hear about gear as a gear nerd. It's just stuff I'll never buy lol. That said, the HD is the first staccato I've ever been interested in, and I normally hate anything 1911 related.

[@gameragodzilla]

Huh, the new Staccatos will be Series 80 after the drop safety controversies? Nice. Funnily enough, Para Ordnance frames were Series 80 from the jump. That and higher capacity magazines in .45ACP is why I went with the Para frame instead of the more common 2011 frame. I do want an optic on my gun, though, but the only Series 80 optic ready 1911 slide (both for sale and milling service) is the new Sig 1911 Xfull. All others were Series 70 only. So I just bought the gun entirely and will be taking the slide off of that and fitting it to my gun. Should be a nice upgrade, though. Only thing I honestly would like to keep is the grip safety. Don’t think deleting that is a good idea unless they modified the trigger to have a trigger blade safety. If you don’t have either, it’s possible for the trigger to be pulled by inertia and go off like unfixed P320s. The Para Ordnance frame does have a grip safety so not a big deal for me.

[@Ryan92999]

Are you going to the range day for shot show. You should try the new staccato

[@HKGunPlay]

I don’t understand the point of buying a duty 2011 but that’s just me. Heavy expensive etc. but if that’s your thing go for it. I am sure it’s a great gun.

[@byronbranch4645]

Its like owning a 4runner. Gets horrible gas mileage. Isnt spacious and it's off road ability isn't used by the average consumer but people want em

[@Oldylocks]

Looks exciting. Trying to keep from getting emotional about my gear, but it is a little frustrating that i have adopted 2011 gear for the past year by stacking up mags just for this to happen 😂 at the end of the day, i will keep shooting my XC. Things are things and I dont need this thing- as much as it annoys me that I gave all my glock mags away

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

Our general cultural weakness has lead people to conflate giving a blunt opinion with being a bully.

[@TheReviewPigeon]

The shame is I was all-in on buying a full sized C, then the HD variant came out that just seems.....better lol and a hair cheaper. Go figure Staccato heavily reduced the LEO discount and magazines on their v2-v3 platforms because they just can't keep up

[@wetulo33]

I was jazzed about the HD for about a day, then I realized it was a series 80 , I think I'll stick with my P

[@jigthepuff4540]

I’m holding out for the staccato HD Extreme.

[@GLOCKsh00ter24]

All my 2011s are competition guns, the HD may be my first 2011-ish carry gun. Also, 70 series are drop safe, either the hammer back, which is how they would be carried. I don't see the issue.

[@SEAKPhotog]

Series 70s aren't drop safe if dropped onto their muzzle. It has nothing to do with the hammer and everything to do with the inertia of the firing pin causing the pin to hit the primer hard enough to ignite it. A firing pin block prevents that.

[@rodanone4895]

i have staccatos, a platypus, and dwxs... i must be a different demographic.

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

I want an optics ready DWX in a bad way.

[@rodanone4895]

@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw i so almost ordered another with the optics cut. my dwx triggers approach Atlas goodness.

[@politicalpolarbear]

can you confirm something for me? I wsa looking at a Staccato C and P, and honestly the slide movement, fitment, and trigger felt better on my Platypus. I really expected more from Staccatos, but maybe the Platy features are more in line with the XC line.

[@rodanone4895]

@politicalpolarbear i think the platypus has better slide fit than my P. My CS is really solid. But overall I consider the platypus a better gun than my P. Trigger too. I know, I know... heresy.

[@politicalpolarbear]

@ That's what seems to follow what I held in my hand at the store. Thanks for the reply!

[@justinmoore4088]

@Ben Stoeger I'm down for the Stacattopus HD! I'm absolutely going to pick one up after they work out any initial issues that may happen. This gun is interesting to me. The drop safe update makes it a legit carry gun for me, plus I've got a buuunch of G17 magazines.

[@CA.0verview]

5:31 imagine a bargain XC that has all the extended controls available in a 5“ and 4.25” it’s by MAC from SDS imports

[@Matt.Hemple]

Wonder if they will change there name again to viod warranty

[@EliCripps-h1d]

What do you think about the Canik SFx Rival

[@armorers_wrench]

It's quite possible they engineered a new firing pin block rather than use the series 80 design.

[@tgert0803]

I’m wondering the same thing- why assume it’s a series 80 system when clearly a lot of changes have gone into these…

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

Series 80 and swartz safeties are designs that should have never been thought of in the first place 😂

[@politicalpolarbear]

and lets be honest. the HD is a direct result of the Platypus and Fusion glock 2011s. If those two companies didn't come out with their guns, Staccatos would still be like any other.

[@Jay_Spesh_Stay_Fresh]

Trolling in the early 1900’s was probably a lot more unsafe lol

[@venomgt7299]

Have to say this new Staccato is pretty cool. No grip safety that uses cheap Glock mags. I just hope it doesnt have the same terrible 22° grip angle that Glocks use. Would rather Staccato have a 1911 or SW 18° grip angle. But im picky

[@GrapeJoose]

It has the same grip angle as all of their other pistols. They molded the grip in such a way to keep it the same

[@myowndryfire]

GREAT shirt :)

[@BenStoeger187]

It’s very nice

[@amosmoses9247]

This HD version is a step in the right direction. When they drop the thumb safety, make it striker fired and use a polymer frame it will be Perfection.

[@markwalters604]

Don’t forget finger grooves.

[@amosmoses9247]

@markwalters604 Good call

[@_Jashawuh]

Lmfao

[@politicalpolarbear]

I have a custom Platy and it's 700 dollars less than a Staccato. There are some things that standard 2011s get that I wish the Platy would get. (Like thumb rests that work) But the Platy fits just so well in my hand and it's a laser beam for accuracy. The super deep cut for an optic is really nice to get the optic low to the bore. That said, this HD is a step in the right direction. A lot of good upgrades and glock mags is a super nice feature. I'll hold one when they come out, but if they are like the C/P, it's not going to feel as good as a Platy to me.

[@Bluwrx]

Platypus has a more expensive aluminum grip correct?

[@politicalpolarbear]

@@Bluwrx I'm not sure what you are asking. The grip of the Platy is one piece aluminum. It's not "more expensive". You can customize the Platy to your liking though and that might increase the cost a little bit.

[@Bluwrx]

@@politicalpolarbear the Platypus includes a more expensive aluminum grip than the polymer grip of the Staccato HD

[@politicalpolarbear]

@@Bluwrx Considering the price difference, I'd say the Platy's aluminum grip is cheaper than Staccato's polymer due to how much less they charge for the pistol. Some people like Polymer more than Alum for grips. Some people like Steel grips. I love that the alum grip is perfect in my hands.

[@Bluwrx]

@@politicalpolarbear it’s at least $500 to add an aluminum grip to the Staccato

[@brandonrides8953]

I'm in. Waiting for the P4.5

[@greatgoatherder]

I caught a fish this big

[@Jimmy-s4s6q]

Can you review the new hk vp9a1

[@shane2973]

After all of that comes The money comment, and the ONLY thing Staccato cares about… “I’m for sure getting an HD”

[@douglilesbusdev]

Next question - Since this geared towards the duty market, have you heard any holster manufacturers at the show stepping up to support the form factor?

[@CA.0verview]

6:52 that’s Daniel Defense level of marketing😂

[@Mrgunsngear]

🇺🇸

[@Jackson-xr5dg]

I'm seeing a ton of mixed reviews on the HD

[@SpyderWebbX]

And some people wanted to crucify me when I said I wouldn't buy a "duty" 2011-style until it has a series 80 style safety. (I mean, all modern semi-auto duty pistols have firing pin block until the 2011 came into law enforcement). The question with the Glock mags, will the HD will still have the 1911 grip angle or the Glock grip angle, now?

[@nickadkins105]

Wonder what the new flat wire 4” recoil system will feel like.

[@dfdf4874]

No way would I purchase a gun called the “platypus” but a staccato HD is a yes for me, especially the sight block version.

[@politicalpolarbear]

why would a gun name determine what gun you buy? That's like the most pointless thing to care about with a high end firearm.

[@dfdf4874]

@@politicalpolarbear if a company is dumb enough to market their firearm as "butt stuff number 2" I'm sure you would be all over it. Fortunately, we have choices in a free market and I can do what I want with my money.

[@politicalpolarbear]

@@dfdf4874 I didn't say that. I said buying a pistol based on name is horribly dumb. It's the least important aspect of a firearm.

[@dfdf4874]

@ In a market place full of competing products of equivalent reliability and function, qualitative variables become important. How important is entirely up to the consumer. You may not like that because you're trying to make a sanctimonious utilitarian argument but unless you can quantitatively prove that the Stealth Arms product is superior to the OA Defense 2311 or Staccato HD you're wasting your time.

[@politicalpolarbear]

@@dfdf4874 Nah. I stand by my stance. If you decide on a firearm simply because of the name, you are dumb. It's not me being sanctimonious, it's just that the concept is an incredibly stupid take that's more just about whining than having a valid point. Also, I've already seen Staccato fanboys in the comments so I fully expect nonsensical arguments like this one to continue. "Well, Staccato starts with the letter S so I'll buy it because of that! S is better than P!"

[@tbenson5966]

Can you please explain your definition of “ blending.” I want to know if it’s the same as mine. Training group seems to be the only information in my shooting journey that actually make sense to me.

[@heckoffcommie4182]

Try the Jacob grey twc9 black. Also the Romulus is the best 1911 ds currently on the market. All forged hand fit polished dlc for 800 dollars less than the staccato P.

[@paytonlucas26]

Do you think this will make the standard Staccatos obsolete? Honestly think longer term they discontinue the non HD models

[@BigPhilsSaws]

The internet wants the new latest greatest stuff, when a new hellcat costs 600 dollars. They want gear instead of shooting. People are a little odd. I consume this content to get Ben's take on stuff because he's one of the best, but at the end of the day a lot of people could buy a 400 dollar tisas 1911 and fuggin practice until they're ready for a duty pistol

[@JosueCuervo97]

Rear sight in front of the optic looks goofy as shit to me personally.

[@kdworak4754]

Real goofy

[@Bigbossman12624]

Why?

[@burtrandolph1745]

Maybe so. But it’s about function over form.

[@HanzHermannHoppe]

I see the utility but you're right, it sure looks goofy.

[@Pappy7064]

@@burtrandolph1745 I'm just curious, how does the rear sight in front of the optic perform better? I'm not trying to be a smart ass I generally want to know. I have some guns with red dots that are co-witness with suppressor height sights, some guns that aren't and two that don't have a rear sight. I don't have any with rear sight forward like these. I can't really see the difference when shooting the guns I have.

[@oso9809]

JP 5 are very nice

[@leftyo9589]

ha, the guy saying JMB should have designed a striker fired.... the original version of the Hi Power was designed as striker fired before the version that was produced..

[@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd]

For me, the removal of the grip safety is way more interesting than it taking Glock magazines or being drop safe. Was considering a Wilson combat EDC X9 or SFT-9 for this very reason but at nearly half the price the staccato HD is very attractive as long as the accuracy is there. Wilson not only promises less than 2” at 50 yards, they deliver even with factory white box ammo which is a real thrill. I don’t expect the same level of accuracy but for the amount of money to be paying for both of these, it should be stellar, and if it is, then Staccato will have my money instead.

[@pa3gungal]

Deleting or pinning the grip safety is basically the first thing competition shooters do to a 2011 style gun

[@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd]

I prefer not to have it in the first place, and the staccato and other guns offer that to me.

[@gameragodzilla]

I’m actually a little concerned that deleting the grip safety will create another drop safety issue where the trigger could be pulled by inertia if dropped on its back. Sig P320s had that issue early on. Modern pistols like Glocks have a trigger blade safety to prevent that from occurring, but the 1911 trigger is straight rearward and so wouldn’t work with that type of safety.

[@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd]

@@gameragodzilla to bypass the firing pin block the trigger needs to be pulled back and held back during the full firing cycle, otherwise the block will simply catch the firing pin and the worst that will occur is a dead hammer (easily fixed by simply pulling the hammer back again quickly, or by cycling the slide). Additionally, if there is a half-cock notch, the notch will catch the sear before the hammer can strike the firing pin, so this is another opportunity to interrupt the firing cycle. If the reset is very short and the return spring vigorous enough, along with a lightweight trigger shoe, then it’s very unlikely it will discharge successfully.

[@gameragodzilla]

@ Yeah but all of those are disengaged by pulling the trigger, so if the trigger could be pulled by inertia, those safeties won’t help. Just like what happened with the P320. The grip safety, meanwhile, would fall in the opposite direction needed to disengage at any angle where the trigger could be pulled, rendering it safe from that problem.

[@RockyStone-rr9wq]

Why would agencies care about the cost? They are spending our f'ing money.

[@nated5713]

If only it was that easy. From experience it’s nothing like that

[@SEAKPhotog]

I work for an "agency". We have budgets within which we have to stay. We don't have an endless stream of cash to spend.🙄

[@notice9218]

We have a money printer, the costs of anything don't matter.

[@Fin.mint.]

Get a Stealth Arms platypus in Ronin Tactics colors, and "Samurai" as the serial number.

[@Jeremyuspsa]

After it’s all said and done with magazines and an optic It’s gonna end up costing like $4300. At that price I might as well just get the Ultimate High Point DPC edition

[@layline09]

Supposedly these are more friendly to shooters with smaller hands because of the Glock mags.

[@45matai82]

Is there any chance the Staccato HD will be good for competition shooting? Seems like it's aimed more at duty use.

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

It’s ok to splurge and buy yourself something nice. As long as your bills are getting paid and your family is taken care of, buy whatever gun you want. I want a Staccato, but doing so would mean my bills don’t get paid. So it’s Glocks for me.

[@alfredoalvarez8114]

The HD will not be bought departments it’s too expensive. It’s for officers that are allowed to buy their own guns that’s where their market has been and thats where it continue to be. Their next step will be removing the group safety and putting external extractors on the P, XL, XC

[@EverydayAmerican556]

Ive already made my mind up. If the gun runs and the non biased reviews come back good im buying the 4.5 the second i can.

[@steppinrazor4390]

Was the C model R&D for the HD? I’d noticed they’re going all external extractor which, in my opinion, is the right direction to go in with the design.

[@benjytheframer2781]

I like the 4. 5 but but the glock mags is a no go for me, i have the xc, the p and the prodigy all share the same mags, so not impressed with the change

[@zaynemikita6897]

4:57 😂😂😂

[@UniformLiability]

I mean if stealth arms offered a steel frame… 2500 bucks would realistically be the price to buy them at. Cerekote is whatever you can DLC anytime. Am I gonna buy the HD, well of course… it’s 2500-2700 bucks… in the grand scheme it’s a drop in the bucket on our firearm journey.

[@douglilesbusdev]

Ben - your response to the comments was good. What do you think about using polymer Glock magazines with a steel gun?

[@bobbytaylor3177]

Have you ever competed against Christian Sailer

[@claytanner6546]

I concur with the “demographic” comment. I own a number of 2011, DS 1911 style guns, (whatever we’re calling them today) to include Wilson Combat, 2X Staccatos, Alchemy and a SA Platypus. The only one I regret buying is the Platypus. Ambi safety ledge is terrible amongst other things. The infamous “customization” offered by SA is a gimmick IMO.

[@coffeeandlifting]

I thought it was really cool that these have forward irons and take glock mags, because those are two of my favorite features. But then I realized that a gen 3 glock with a $100 slide cut has those features too, and you can get four of them for the price of the Staccato.

[@chinesemassproduction]

10:35 Glock/Aimpoint WOMBO COMBO LOL

[@danhanus2294]

Has Stacacto made series-80 before? I bet there's a learning curve there...

[@tomjohnson6036]

Make the Edge great again.