THE IRON HANDS ARE TERRIBLE! Do not trust them!

[@claytonthegrubkiller6430]

As an iron hands fan I have one thing to say: skill issue

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

Seriously. If they didn't want their dreadnought chasis to be taken so easily, they should not have placed it somewhere it can be so easily taken. On Isstvan we called such things "lootbox drops".

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

I’m a Dark Angel, but agree. Imperial Fist just hide behind walls and fist each other

[@BND1975]

@@BattleBrotherCasten As a Black Templar player, I also agree, hope Dorn abandons the Fists if he returns, Crimson Fists probably wouldn't even care about Dorn, they'll likely prefer Guilliman anyway.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

@@BND1975 This is until you see the 40k Dorn model complete with prosthetic Rogal Dorn tank turret Mega-Man cannon hand, that can be swapped with either a Primarch-scale power fist or Ash from Army of Darkness style Storm's Teeth chainblade hand chainsword. The un-chopped-off hand on the mini carries a shield, because of course it does. Fortified. I don't even play Dorn's delinquents but would be tempted by such a model.

[@bobh9492]

@@attemptedunkindness3632you sir, are a bloodraven, caw caw

[@junior-fj8ud]

"Who does that to their allies!?" *looks around and notices that the Dark Angels have suddenly slipped out of the room*

[@darrenlikemyfatherbeforeme]

Having just watched this video, i think I'll start an iron hands army

[@stuartspencer2161]

Just make sure you paint up one of your dreadnaughts in Hospitaliers colours, and retag it for Iron Hands

[@terrysaunders7107]

The writing is weak yet the chapter endures.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

At least you're not exclusively written by Gav Thorpe. **Pokes dead Raven Guard with a stick** Poor bastards.

[@ltdowney]

The irony, if Ferrus was still around or came back, and the Hands returned to his/their true principles, they’d probably be one of the coolest chapters/legions. 😒

[@galileodeascanis8092]

The writing is awful

[@nextdandude1542]

Yes!

[@OrangeAmped]

Wrath of Iron is a badass book for the Iron Hands. It's a quintissential story of doing whatever is necessary to fight chaos- something that a lot of Imperium fans tend to forget if they like more touchy-feely chapters.

[@bigmonkeking9067]

Little bro forgot that the Black Templars killed a Custode and their primaris reinforcements because they got jealous. 😂😂😂

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

No because primaries are literally heresy..

[@marshaledrek71]

Those guys ended up being outcasts and really kinda fucked up.

[@OrangeAmped]

Seriously, no BT fan has room to talk about fratricide. It's just that the Iron Hands come off as petty for some of their behavior. I blame Kristos!

[@disgruntleddude]

Ferrus lost his life, his sons lost their way . Ferrus lost his head, his sons lost their minds.

[@UptopVillain-n2w]

😅

[@chippsdubbo990]

Iron hands: annihilated to the last man: ❌ Imperial fists: annihilated to the last man: ✅

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

WOW WOW WOW! GENE SEED NOT LOST, TECHNICALLY CHAPTER NOT DESTROYED!

[@MR.LMR1996]

If you think about it, the Primaris Imperial Fists Guilliman gave to the Chapter are more pure-bred than their modern-day Firstborn battle brothers.

[@keithmoore7629]

@@MR.LMR1996 this man has a point….🤔😜

[@greendalf123]

@@ChapterMasterValrak Technically the Iron Hands survived (unlike the Imperial Fists who were actually wiped out)

[@bobh9492]

@@MR.LMR1996true

[@RobEdHat]

X Legion slander detected. Disengaging auditory receptors. Firing up self-regard core. THE FLESH IS WEAK.

[@PerditioTempus2591]

Activate Spam Filter

[@junkdunkster7201]

target locked to nearest auditory aggressor. contracting digitus medius hand pistons targeted to general direction.

[@reivax1836]

Looks like someone's Flesh is Weak and they are projecting.

[@GameRiot]

This guy is talking about TRUST? He got me blacklisted ... TRAITOR

[@normdahdoul6363]

You spoke against our great Rogal Dorn

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

It was a sacrifice I was willing to make.

[@Michael290h6gf]

What happened to youtube? I see a lot of channels struggling to get 10k views with millions of subscribers.

[@webanator]

You sir, are guilty by association. Good day.

[@desperado4367]

"Trust?! You hit me with a rock!!!"

[@filthygreenname3535]

Alright Valrak. Calm down. don’t lose your head over it

[@tyleramell3371]

or his hands.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

The Iron Hands are the perfect embodiment of the Imperium. Cold, cruel, brutal and uncaring. Inhuman. A fundamentally broken thing that still goes on out of sheer spiteful rage and determination.

[@equos5060]

You're GODDAMN right.

[@corbinibroc]

Well said brother

[@BattleBrotherCasten]

Well said!

[@melonne7278]

Do not forget headless

[@beardfistthegoldenone7273]

Their design is VERY human.

[@CalusV]

I mean, I already loved the Iron Hands, you don't have to keep selling them to me.

[@dovahfett5919]

I love how this video has summoned all 15 Iron Hands fans, it is glorious to see a group of fans who enjoy a chapter better than the yellow ultramarines

[@CrankedDT]

​@dovahfett5919 dog pissed in the paint pot for the ultramarines at home

[@joubas]

The iron Hands were lead by Iron father Kristos at that time. Who was corrupt by slannesh. Iron Hands is a new chapter with Kardan Stronos.For the Iron Tenth Brothers For the Emperor.

[@travisdraime3243]

Very good point! This was something I thought as well but was unsure.

[@cyan3293]

Im glad someone mentioned it. Kristos was a bad influence to the chapter who only trusted the calculus. Stronos even watched a simulation created by Iron Father Dreadnought Ares with Kristos and the iron hands using the Raven guard and Imperial guard as bait against the orks. Stronos was disturbed by the vision and even started questioning the calculus. Currently in the 41st millenium, the Iron hands are actually slowly improving thanks to the likes of Stronos and Feirros and I hope one day their goals of machine and human being endured will be accomplished.

[@thomassmart4227]

Stronos is the worst thing to happen to Iron Hands. He took everything interesting about the chapter and removed it. He gave into his emotion like Ferrus and it will lead to the same result. Not to mention all the retcons that came after the introduction of that character

[@Saunders-m6t]

And u said it right WAKEN! RAISE THE STORM! THE FLESH IS WEAK But THE IRON Xth ENDURES!

[@jonharrison9222]

@@thomassmart4227 He single-handedly added depth to a one-note chapter.

[@lonegrunt5940]

How many custodes has the Iron hands killed compared to Imperial fist chapters?

[@JDrunkSquid]

How many custodes have interacted with the iron hands? Imperial fisters got their fists right up their arse.

[@mandke23]

I swear the imperial fists where laying in the dirt with there primarch not long ago, they had to get saved by guillafuck 😂😂😂

[@BjornTheFellHanded1]

Iron within Iron without!!!! Wait, wrong iron chapter...😂😂😂

[@subjectzero6676]

Alpharius, you ruining our operation, wrong scripts!

[@TKUltra971]

Know whats funny? I Had a friend say that over the mic while playing the dawn of war waaaay back in the day. When he realized what he said we all had a good laugh for about 5 minutes. hahahah, good times.

[@midgetydeath]

Or is it? Dun dun duuuuun! It would explain _A LOT_ about them after the Horus Heresy!

[@archeogeek315]

You guys are barely iron within , your emotion cloud your actions and make you bitter idiots. Without emotion you culd finally get over your petty grudge with the imperial fists. THE FLESH IS WEAK.

[@eclements99]

No it’s the correct one! IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT! THE SONS OF PETER TURBO ARE UNBROKEN!

[@Forty-K]

Iron hands are my new fav legion

[@nascome9084]

Ah yes, an imperial fist crying, music to my hears

[@captainrex1718]

Talk about the Iron Cage if you want to get an Imperial Fist fan really mad

[@ElectricTree]

Ngl this made me like the Iron Hands even more.

[@BND1975]

Someones must be Salty, that the Yellow Ultramarines have less character than the Iron Hands.

[@beardfistthegoldenone7273]

Ultras are garlic bread, and fists are just bread. Don't lump us in with the wall huggers...

[@BND1975]

@beardfistthegoldenone7273 I play Black Templars and my friend plays Ultramarines so my knowledge on Fists and Ultras is about the same, making me a stranger to the nuance that differentiates them.

[@ravenmarine2015]

Shadrak Meduson was one of my most fav Space Marines, what the other Iron Hands did to him was Rizzless behavior.

[@DeadSpace-Oblv]

Marines Malevolent - “ Hold my beer.”

[@travisjohnson622]

Lol would love to see a story where many chapters converse to vanquish a threat. Throughout the story the Marines Malevolent and Iron Hands but heads and try to one up eachother. At the conclusion of this tale after the day has been saved, the Marines Malevolent and Iron Hands just launch into a full attavk of eachother, with every other marine just kind of saying WTF and slowly backing away, leaving them to settle their differences.

[@martinlarsen7354]

And we know the MM are Fist descendants.

[@dantasbezerradasilva8186]

Ferrus Manus, if he had known what the legion would become, he would not have fallen to his own impulses.

[@Anthonythomas_19]

The problem with ferrus mannus is that he was headstrong but neck weak.

[@Rogn80]

I love how, in a setting that prides itself on its Grim Darkness, the most Grimdark Chapter/Legion (on either side) gets the most hate!!! WEAAAAK😘

[@kyledavis7353]

If the hospitalers were really sons of Dorn would they really have let that happen?

[@worldeater2414]

The Imperial Fists are the weakest loyalist chapters so 🤷‍♂️

[@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp]

Iron hands are just better than Imperial First. Imperial Fist aren't tough enough to pull off what the Iron Hands did.

[@DeludedOne]

The hatred for the Iron Warriors is now spreading to every other chapter with the word "Iron" in them....

[@harrypriestley9402]

Tbh sounds like a skill issue on the hospitallers part.

[@OldWitchDoctor]

Valrak: "The Iron Hands suck!" *Proceeds to tell a story where the Iron Hands are the most based sigmas in the Galaxy*

[@catcadev]

Sigmas, Mister Freeman? Is it really that type of language again...?

[@imperialnipravda]

Killing Shadrak was based?!

[@marioernestohernandezgarci3804]

​@@imperialnipravdaYes and i'm tired of pretending it's not.

[@PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven]

I mean stealing one of the ultramarines dreadnought just to dump the guy and put our hero inside is not a bad idea since they do deserve it for the whole splitting of the legion and all.

[@dreadcarcosa]

I like the Iron Hands because they are broken, mentally and philosophically.

[@americantitan2190]

The iron hands are basically the kid you knew in high/grade school that was supposed to go play college/university ball, but proceeded to tear their leg. He now sits there and talks about how great he would’ve been to the point now that it’s just annoying. Yes, during the pre-heresy they were arguably one of the most powerful chapters, but they have never come close to that in the past 10,000 years.

[@Warmasterirony]

describing the Imperial Fists btw

[@charlesmiller3686]

When they betrayed Shadrack that was heartbreaking. He was literally holding the legion together solo

[@WoodStoveification]

I think you're missing a lot of the context for Meduson Meduson didn't act against the puppet Ferrus Manus the Iron fathers had created, he actually believed it could be Ferrus. It was Vulkan who destroyed it. Meduson rallied the Iron Fathers and wanted to attack a Sons of Horus fleet led by Tybalt Marr. Marr and Meduson had built up a rivalry and Meduson wanted to kill Marr at all costs so he declared he was going to attack the much larger SoH fleet. The Iron Fathers repeatedly told him it would end in disaster, he refused to listen which is when they pulled back their forces; deciding that they would never succumb to what happened to Ferrus again and disregard logic for emotion. I don't think that could be classified as a heretical action because from their POV they were saving loyalist lives from a doomed engagement. Much better examples would be something like the Iron Hands' actions on Dawnbreak where they abandoned an Imperial world to an Eldar attack after finding some technology they wanted, or their actions against a WeirdWaagh where they slaughtered a company of Raven Guard when they were engaged with Orks due to blaming the RG for Ferrus' death.

[@cookiedudegaming]

Can't believe Valrak is betraying his favorite chapter

[@liamkehoe5957]

Iron Hands do a great job at proving that the Alpha legion are loyalists

[@brettwood1351]

I remember them also screwing the Raven Guard over at one point. There's a reason I joke that if Ferrus ever returned to life, the first thing he'd do is start slapping some sense into the skulls of his sons. Then he'd have to ask Guilliman for a bunch of Primaris to reform the chapter.

[@telelkhajiit7910]

I once pondered doing an iron hands army when they had the option to do an all dreads army. Then I read wrath of iron and swore to remain loyal to russ for all time. At least when it comes to making Asrartes modeling projects. An oath that lasted until I read red tithe and outer dark. Now I am Alpharius.

[@SmileyBoi21]

Shadrak to me was the last Iron Hand the legion died with him. What’s left is a bunch of broken sons with major tech augmentation addictions.

[@luminaricsteel7303]

The part of the Horus Heresy Novel where Aug betrays the Shadrak Meduson guy will always make me hate them. Absolute Treacherous bastards, a real tragedy

[@equos5060]

which book was that?

[@luminaricsteel7303]

@@equos5060 I believe it was "Old Earth"

[@benharris3517]

These actions make the dark angels and the marines malevolent look like friend neighbours

[@TheDustyChinchilla]

Always hated the Iron Hands. It always seemed ridiculous to me that these superhuman demigods replace parts of their body…wtf is the point of being a genetically-engineered transhuman if you’re just gonna replace your shit with robotics like a common tech priest? Dumb. Terrible chapter.

[@stociberry]

The reasoning is obvious. In a grim dark world where failure is commonplace. Factions pull towards an ideal to survive, the Iron Hands simply move towards the idea of removing weaknesses to improve their own abilities to survive and further the emperors will.

[@stociberry]

They are genetically enhanced humans, they aren’t demigods. They can die, and do die all the time.

[@phillbosque2183]

Wtf? I love Iron Hands now! I’m reminded of that meme of the person in the wheelchair being dumped off a cliff 😂

[@jaanikaapa6925]

The worst thing about the dreadnought thing is that they repainted the dread? Imperial Fists would never get that far against the Ultramarines. Also Ultras' Dreads, like the Vlka's, slumber in their coffins. Then are inserted into their walkers when awakening. Dunno why the Hands didn't use a coffin for their guy...

[@junior-fj8ud]

Because the guy writing the story didn't know the lore, most likely. ^^;;

[@Sugarierspoon99]

As an iron hands fan there are a few reasons I think they are the best. During the crusade they and Ferrus were center stage like horus sanguinius. On Istvaan they carried and nearly broke the traitor line of the original 4 traitor legions only losing because thier allies at thier flanks collapsed (not really thier fault either). During the heresy with shadrack meduson and the bands of iron hands doing lots of amazing things. Also especially after the heresy for this point they are the most logical marines for a number of reasons, for 1 they know honor is out the window and the imperium cant afford it so they win by using cold stratigies also fitting the grimdark mood, they buddy up with the mechanicius so they get more marines from the mechanics aswell as better gear first. The fact they are beast in combat basically a hard counter to most traitor legions and lots of other factions because of thier martial prowess but also they will just shoot you with a gun if they can instead. They reflect the brutality of war and know that if they were to fight with honor and be great people to save 1 billion people in one place 2 billion people would die somewhere else and that is bad for war. When they sacrifice thier allies and do scummy things it is out of cold logic wich makes me like them and also despite the fact I love the 1st legion they do the same things even worse for no reason or less of one but they are still loved.

[@roberthorvath9371]

I will turn the Keys of Hel again if this heresy wont stop immediately

[@corbinibroc]

Iron Hands are the most 40k loyalist chapter, change my mind

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

Absolute scum bag tactics from the Iron Hands! YOU DON'T STEAL DREADNOUGHTS!

[@daerovius7535]

Still better dudes than the Imperial Fisted... THOSE guys are abysmal dogshit

[@werty4895]

Says the betrayer who's trying to kill Titus. Who's the scumbag now eh Scamus

[@MistaBaze]

You lot weren’t doing anything with them anyway, except marching in parades. You ride on the hype and honors the templars build for your gene line, nothing more.

[@roberthorvath9371]

we improve 'em ..less flesh=stronger

[@werty4895]

@@MistaBaze didn't the imperial fists die out in the war of the beast? And aren't the current ones made from geneseed taken from successor chapters after this war? So aren't they an original chapter just in name?

[@WarmasterIrraz]

I agree, Iron Hands is the best chapter especially compared to yellow ultramarines 😉

[@ph1lb3rt]

Love it when you do videos like this one; lore, banter, opinions, and glory for the Sons of Dorn! Iron Hands cannot be trusted.

[@JHadders98]

Soooo to put context that was Iron Father Kristos who was the most extreme aspect of the rejection of flesh as weakness I mean he started a 500 year debate that dragged the iron council to a standstill and then AND THEN it turns out he in searching to meld man into machine had been corrupted by the sapphire king and nearly killed half the chapter. Kristos is no iron hands I care for and Kardan Stronos the current war leader killed him. TLDR: Skill issue, go back to your books and vanilla ice cream (love ya really)

[@OutspokenSeeker]

Iron Hands: Kidnap a loyal chapter’s venerable dreadnought and rip out the sarcophagus just to implant some line sergeant of theirs. Also the Iron Hands: No other chapter likes us. They must be traitors!

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

So when are you going to give the Raven Wing to the XIXth? We both know it's you and only you preventing sweet bike races between the Raven Guard and White Scars. The wolves don't care about your hover bikes. Neither do your enemies. You're holding the Imperium back.

[@TheVoltage2]

Not only do the Iron Hands not care if someone else likes them, they dislike to hate the vast majority of other space marine chapters. There are guard regiments they like better. Friendship and kindness are weakness.

[@OutspokenSeeker]

@ liking guard regiments is a stretch. At most they appreciate the meat strength and quality of the guardsmen who they will turn into combat servitors and slaved infantry.

[@TheVoltage2]

@OutspokenSeeker I said like better, not like. And turning a bunch of people into servitors and is inefficient and ineffective. Better to do it yourself.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

@@TheVoltage2 Iron Hand: I have stubbed my toe, I request medical assistance. Apothecary: ...For a stubbed toe? Iron Hand: Yes, it pains me to say it but I need to be interred into a dreadnought. Apothecary: This is the fourth time this week you have tried to pull this nonsense, and the answer is still NO Iron Hand: ...I may never walk again... please brother apothecary... If you cannot inter me give me The Emperor's Peace. Apothecary: GET. OUT. OF. MY. OFFICE.

[@dantasbezerradasilva8186]

Ferrus Manus would be so disappointed.

[@Samrestion]

Well, the Mechanicum used to dismantle "alive" dreadnoughts in the field to repair compatible automata during the Heresy. The apple does not fall far from the tree. The flesh is weak after all.

[@fva1835]

There a reason them cogboys love the iron hands. Trust isn't something they both are known for, messing thing up and making it more worse is.

[@kennylull2470]

Omg you’ve made me love my Iron Tenth even more!😅😂 great video, by the way-Merry Christmas!!

[@HelioSolaran]

I trust iron hands less with any allied forces, than I trust ad mech to not input my toaster’s output The guard would be safer fighting alongside the fucking flesh tearers chapter.

[@carter342000]

Blood Ravens sound like they are a Iron Hands successor chapter

[@smoketinytom]

I trust them more than the totally Irrelevant Imperial Fists... :D Raptors are the best. Using logic and Tactics.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

Raptors have been brought to the brink of extinction over minor issues so many times for the hubris of thinking they can fight like other chapters. What you call 'logic' and 'tactics' I call weak and compensating. Then again, I play Raven Guard so self hatred runs deep and dark... I am weak and compensating. (sad bird noises)

[@deathlytree434]

Iron hands are just cold and calculating that doesnt make them traitors that just makes them efficient warriors to a fault

[@TK199999]

The Iron Hands have never recovered from the loss of Ferris.

[@mosselliadelt]

What have the imperial fists done since the HH? I honestly have zero idea. Do they still just sit on Terra doing nothing?

[@Kobrakai392]

As an Iron Hands successor chapter player, this makes me laugh 😂

[@gigeorge6sic6]

Ah yes. The legion I constantly forget that exists

[@rumorcontrol7873]

This is why my Iron Hands Successor tries to reject thinking like a machine

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

"01001001 00100000 01100001 01101101 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100001 00100000 01101101 01100001 01100011 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100101" thought the Brazen Claw, mechanically.

[@NecroGoblin-yl2fx]

there where even a Civil War about it splitting the Iron Hand legion in two, with one being more cold and the other one more embracing of their feelings.

[@rumorcontrol7873]

@@attemptedunkindness3632 "01000010 01110010 01101111 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 00101100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110011 01101111 01101101 01100101 00100000 01101111 01100001 01110100 01110011 00111111" Replied the Iron Forester

[@brettwood1351]

Mine have fallen in with a Magos Biologis and concluded Steel is Weak, Flesh is Strong.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

@@brettwood1351 "The flesh is weak" is an incomplete statement. "The flesh is weak, deeds are eternal" is the full quote as exchanged between Ferrus and Vulkan. Both Vulkan and Manus understood what they were actually forging: a survivable future for humanity through their own legions. I don't even think you need to fall into lots with the Biologis, though I do like the concept. A founding Ferrus chapter that took the time to research their Primarch would quickly realize he already laid down the groundwork for a truly great legion that appreciated but didn't rely on technology.

[@apark91]

Basic Imperial Fists. Virgin Iron Hands. Glorious White Scars.

[@greendalf123]

my cope detector exploded

[@kennethcunningham2572]

The temps aren't much better

[@srchubz]

one thousandth thumbs up! keep up the great content, get folks talking/thinking/joking around... love it. Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones

[@redeye3869]

I like the Iron Hands because when the AdMech saved them during the Moirae Schism they gave them enough geneseed to start their own chapter of marines the Steel Confessors. We don’t really get much lore on them (aside from the Inquisition getting mad at this despite them having several marine chapters and the Grey Knights in their pocket) but I like to imagine personality wise they’re the Black Templars but for the Omnissiah.

[@inquisitorvuln]

Understandable! But your point of Imperial Fists not " jumping on loyalists ships and taking their stuff" is *technically* not true. The Executioners are Imperial Fists successors, they were traitors during the Badab War (due to honor) and they were specifically known for boarding and taking the most enemy (loyalist) ships out of any chapter during the conflict. Also the Executioners would definitely betray an ally if they found that allies' actions are dishonorable. Also shown in the Badab war.

[@NovaSoldier]

0:16 Imperial Fists? HA! more like Imperial Piss, am I right boys!?

[@matthewreck3369]

With you on this one, Valrak. For the Khan and the Emperor, and send the Inquisition to visit the Iron Hands.

[@kevo-iw5kl]

I've never heard such blasphemy! The Iron Hands are the next big refresh for loyalists and Ferrus is coming back to fix the stagnation of the Imperium

[@myfaceismyshield5963]

The loyalists are generally evil so being bad for other loyalists make me like them more. I used to HATE Iron Hands because they were boring as all fuck. But now they're more interesting so I totally fuck with Iron Hands now. Same with Marines Malevolent because they're the most Imperium of all Imperium factions. They're like the best example on all counts.

[@tikhonoldwood3800]

Corax's sons silently despising Iron Hands for "Eye of Medusa" incident

[@mogiworkshop]

Ok, I have a question, @Valrak If Iron Hands should be Traitors, which traitor legion should they switch with?

[@coolstorybro8811]

"Ferrus Manus was headstrong." Shame the same couldn't be said about his neck.

[@Tarorc79]

The great irony is.. When Dorn comes back... he will have an Iron Hand..

[@LazerMEOW]

To paraphrase Jean Ralphio, "Iron Hands are WOOOOORRRRSSSTT!!".

[@oboropro]

And they say we're traitors(soul drinkers). Which we are one of the Emperors most loyal.

[@SabotKnight]

The Iron Hands are cold, methodical and logical in their choices. I don't think they got a chance to grieve for their father, as the Heresy had just started, and they needed to focus on revenge and protecting the chapter and Imperium in any way they could. As a result of the path some of the sons took, they thought the best solution was to rid themselves of their grief through technology, slowly cutting away emotion to replace with cold logic. I believe any chapter in their situation as the first to experience this kind of loss without time to grieve would have met a similar fate. If Sanguinius had died at the start of the Heresy, I think the Blood Angles would have had to be wiped out, or abandoned on an empty planet as their rage wouldn't have stopped, as the events at the end of the Siege on Terra were the only thing that seemingly snapped them out of it. If Rogal had perished first, I can imagine his sons splitting into two groups, one becoming more reclusive, wishing to fight but like their Father during the Siege, forcing themselves to build and protect their fathers realm while the others do the opposite, charging into endless battles of attrition in retribution untill they are spent. Similar to how Rogal felt during the Siege, chained to defend/command while so desperately wanting to fight alongside his brothers. Shadrak was the last part of the chapter which felt emotion, and was true to Ferrus' vision of the chapter. With his death, the legion sealed its fate. I like the Iron Hands, as they are a broken legion who are a cautionary tale of what could happen to any chapter who witnessed their fathers demise without room to grieve/process and let their deepest faults manifest. Obviously, I could be wrong with the other Primarks but only the Emperor knows the truth.

[@sorryceaser6116]

Imagine being so inept you let your allies board and steal one of your own hereo's the incompetency is the heresy

[@Eugromlol]

I think from a lore perspective the iron hands pose as an interesting force in the current imperium if they were to take center stage especially with the EC apparently having more of a prominent role in events moving forward I think they could make a great chaotic good faction moving forward instead of the dark angels being under such scrutiny all the time.

[@tylerhampton1]

Replacing a Hospitaller with an iron hand would have been an improvement for the dreadnought chassis, I said what I said. 😂

[@booya2k]

They are up there with the Marines Malevolent....

[@AngryHomunculus]

Do any of these feelings extend to the Iron Hands Successor Chapters?

[@felipestriker187]

We just recovered a dreadnought that was used as an overglorified walking bell. We made It better. Also this is not even the worst thing we did.

[@laurentmosley691]

Stares Blood Ravenly

[@xxofameousgxx9686]

Weird ask but have you heard anything from the second half world eaters release? Are we getting more than one new unit or a lot.

[@garyniusaernasea6698]

Ferrus Manus : "the flesh is weak but deeds endure" Iron Hands : "yes my lord, THE FLESH IS WEAK!!!" (forgot the rest) Ferrus Manus : "damn it..."

[@saabsquad]

Mercy is weakness, we need that dreadnought chasis so we took it. They clearly didn't have it deployed on the battlefield, those cowards.

[@dinudinu2949]

As a iron hands fan this made me love them a thousand times more.

[@lashcandle8170]

As an Iron Hand fan, I think if those guys didn’t want their dreadnaught stolen, maybe they should have taken better care of it.

[@JackRabbit002]

Has he mistaken Iron Warriors for Iron Hands because I used to do that all the time as a kid Wouldn't have expected it from an Imperial Fist fan though 😂

[@IntrusiveThoughts838]

Nah this is definitely iron hands

[@GrimdarkKing]

The Iron Hands are a fascinating chapter precisely because of the moral complexity and questionable decisions that surround them. The incidents outlined-such as the dreadnought theft and the betrayal at Isstvan-showcase their cold, machine-like pragmatism, which, while effective, often treads dangerously close to heretical behavior. It’s understandable why such actions could sour relations with their allies and even raise doubts about their loyalty. However, one could argue that their unyielding adherence to their version of the “greater good” makes them uniquely suited to the grim realities of the 41st millennium. Their willingness to make brutal sacrifices-even at the expense of their allies-might be the harshness required to survive in a galaxy consumed by war. Still, the question remains: at what point does their pragmatism become a liability to the Imperium as a whole? (Thumbs Up if you admire the Iron Hands’ cold pragmatism-Thumbs Down if you see them as a liability to the Imperium.)

[@John71872]

The Iron Hands are traitors. I won’t forget what they did to Shadrak Meduson. At least, during the Horus Heresy, the Iron Warriors never turned on their own legion. Iron Hands are rust within rust without with no flesh (soul) left.

[@matthewbeale5083]

Oh, you mean when Berossus etc al besieged Honsou's Fortress on Medrengard?

[@Rogn80]

Riiiiiiiight... Perturabo "Destroy My Own Homeworld" would like to have a word.

[@jjayman1173]

It's sink or swim and the Iron Hands are on the deck of your own boat watching you drown because you're too weak to save yourself with your soft lungs rather than an internal sump pump next to your twin V8 hearts 🦾

[@kevinm.7209]

Valrak: “You can‘t make this up!“ Best ever reaction to fictional actions by fictional characters in a fictional universe! 🤣👏🏾😂 This would melt Freud’s brain if he were still alive!😁😇

[@PathfinderMako]

Thanks for solidifying my stance that the fists really are a bunch of losers hiding behind walls