The Jacobites: The Would Be Stuart Kings

[@jamesdulany2176]

To add some more information about the Jacobite succession after the death of Cardinal Stuart, it is ironically Franz, Duke of Bavaria who is the current Jacobite claimant. The duke is the first openly gay European nobleman, and unlike his forebears his younger brother Max has progeny. The claim will pass into the House of Liechtenstein upon the deaths of Franz, Max, and the latter's daughter Sophie, who married Alois, the Hereditary Prince of Liechtenstein. Their eldest son Joseph is the first Jacobite claimant since James Stuart to be born in the UK. As Dr. Kat rightly points out, no one in the Jacobite succession in a few hundred years has made any serious effort at claiming the British throne, and Franz has even said he doesn't even want it. I think we can close this chapter of history.

[@karensilvera6694]

Wow! That's interesting information. Thank you for sharing.

[@janetmontgomery-r6j]

It would be interesting though..

[@SunnyMorningPancakes]

I am So mad at KZbin right now for forcing me to search for something i literally watch live every week.

[@ReadingthePast]

Oh no! I wish this would get fixed - I don’t get why this happens 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@anniegetchergun]

Me too! Not just on Kat's channel either.

[@GraceCanadaful]

Put your history "on"

[@kathyjohnson2043]

I hit the subscription tab every time I log in. It seems to work better than the bell icon

[@1234cheerful]

Is the bell filled in? Click it and be sure all is selected. It is filled in solidly for me and I always get the notifications. Oh and check settings on your KZbin account,.pick show notifications on desktop. If all that is done, we are indeed at the mercy of KZbin.

[@theclassicso8094]

The Stuart dynasty seems to have been cursed with a number of issues from child monarchs to poor judgement. Thank you for a great presentation of the Jacobites. 👑

[@Rosedawn321]

As an American, I find myself exasperated by all the decades/centuries of wrangling over the religion of the ruler of Great Britain! We have had our wrangling too. I remember that my history classes taught me that the prejudice here against catholics was still so pervasive that there were those who thought JFK would be the pawn of the pope and shouldn’t be elected president. Now we have a catholic president and it’s just another random piece of information about Biden.I just wish we could all get along. 💒🙏🏼

[@ChelleLlewes]

I remember the uproar over JFK's being Catholic. My bff at the time was Catholic, although I never was, and I could not for the life of me understand what everybody was so afraid of! I also remember just a woefully few years later when he was assassinated that practically the entire town in which I was living shut down out of grief. Same guy, whole different attitude. We are a pretty psychotic species...

[@pedanticradiator]

That's because a lot of Americans are still in that puritanical Calvinist mindset of the original English settlers

[@AmyWebster-u6l]

Religion corrupts everything.

[@ornag5046]

@@pedanticradiator the founders included a separation of church and state to avoid all the bloodshed Europe had endured due to the marriage between religion and government . Sadly too many Americans now want to submit to a king.

[@pedanticradiator]

@ornag5046 unfortunately it didn't really work some American churches have quite a bit of political influence probably more than the 2 established churches in the UK have

[@HallowqueenCrafting]

I recently found myself explaining who the Jacobites were when we were watching Renegade Nell - it's set in 1705 and a Jacobite plot to overthrow Queen Anne was a focus. It's very much historical fiction with a lot of magic, but we had fun watching it.

[@karensilvera6694]

And then there's that little known show, Outlander. 😊 That's full of Jacobites. I love talking about history.

[@darthbee18]

Before this video what I knew of the Jacobites were just the battle of Culloden and Bonnie Prince Charlie... This is such a thorough summary about the Jacobites (now I know about the start of them as well), thanks Dr. Kat!

[@Kitgilmore]

I was the other way around, knew much more about the start of the Stuarts

[@Rosedawn321]

I was a bit surprised,Dr. Kat, you didn’t mention that Bonnie Prince Charlie escaped Culloden wrapped in the disguise of a woman. That’s where the song “Over the Sea to Skye” came from that played at the beginning of every episode of Outlander.

[@manuellubian5709]

Yes but there's also one other little tidbit that many people don't know about and it is very rarely if ever spoken about. And that is just before the Battle of Culloden there was also a much much smaller Skirmish called The Battle of little fairy I believe if I'm not mistaken the Battle of Little Ferry took place in the days just prior to the Culloden Massacre.

[@maryarigho5868]

My ancestor, Oliver O'Gara from Sligo, Ireland was a prominent Jacobite, fighting at the Battle of Aughrim and, later, was influential at the court in exile at St Germain in France. 👑👑👑

[@cindygrubbs5856]

Thank you, Dr. Kat! You always make history interesting!

[@CountessKitten]

James Francis Edward Stuart, The "Glorious Revolution" and all of it's players have ALWAYS fascinated me! I am a Louis XIV LOVER and so any history involving him, or his arch enemy (William of Orange) grab me and pull me in for more! Every time! Dr. Kat, your videos are second to none, and, starting with your theme song, I am carried away happily to the past! ⏳✨🪄⚜️

[@MarianWoods-y9c]

It has always seemed to me that the Stewarts/Stuarts were always their own worst enemies! 🫅👸🤺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@LVRugger]

I would love a deeper dive into all the people passed over to name Sophie the heiress. It's not just James and his offspring, but several others as well. 👑

[@LadyCat183]

Several French candidates, but again Catholics

[@BexMatthies]

A gameshow-esque episode where Dr. Kat dings a bell every time a candidate for the British throne is passed over for being catholic would be hysterical.

[@LaLayla99]

I think it's been said on this channel (maybe in the comments?) that the "right" to the throne only matters if you were able to hold onto it. They weren't, so they had no rights to it. ⚔️👑🇬🇧

[@samanthafordyce5795]

That was then. William the Conqueror, Mathilda, Henry IV, Edward IV, Henry VII, William III, are a few who come to mind who seized the crown by force. These days, the sovereign is whoever parliament says it is. There are laws, to be sure, and other laws would need to be passed if the crown were to be bestowed on anyone but the sovereign's direct heir. But times have changed; the crown isn't won by combat anymore.

[@brendagowing3945]

Thank you for making the Jacobite history so clear. Good reminder, too, of the vulnerability to weather. I’m struck by the frequency with which royal travel -particularly from France to Scotland-was deterred by 🌊⛈️🌊

[@steelerbear]

Thank you so much for this one, Dr Kat! 💙🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@TribeWilloughby]

Thank You... I don't think this has ever been presented so Well & I think You did a Wonderful Job blending so much Controversy into a teachable Moment... Thank You

[@JiminPalmSprings]

I enjoyed this thank you very much and hello from Palm Springs, California

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤

[@prettypic444]

Now let’s try a video about the Jacobin invasion! 😆 I think it’s interesting to think of how the Jacobite monarchy would be different from the late Stuart/Hanoverian reigns. So much of parliamentary power comes from decisions and compromises in these reigns. Would parliament be as powerful today if the Jacobite line had inherited or reclaimed the throne? I could see some major political problems with James III’s French influence. Louis XIV was an infamous absolutist after all, and I could see James having problems with parliament because of that. Might make an interesting alt history setting (or imagine if Henry was made pope!)… ⚔️👑

[@pedanticradiator]

The Jacobins were a Republican faction during the French Revolution

[@prettypic444]

@@pedanticradiator that’s the joke

[@pedanticradiator]

@@prettypic444 sorry didn't realise you were making a joke

[@tonyharpur8383]

One of the supporters and financiers of 'Bonnie Prince Charlie's 1745 expedition to Scotland was Antoine Walsh an Irish exile in France. Walsh made a fortune through buying salt beef in Cork and shipping it via Lorient (Brittany) to Saint Domingue (now Haiti). The salt bèefwas used to feed the slaves there. Walsh supplied ships and funds to Prince Charles Edwars Stuart. Ironically, Ireland remained at peace during the '45.'

[@madiantin]

Thank you for letting us know what happened to the Stuart line - I was wondering about it.

[@kathyjohnson2043]

At the same time as all of this was happening, there was the Revolution in the American colonies and the continued conflicts with France followed by the illness of King George, the French Revolution and the war of 1812 with the new USA

[@susananderson1209]

Thank you Dr. Kat. I love all your videos, so interesting,

[@sanndurafarshore7265]

Lovely summary of a time I was curious about 👑🎲⛪️

[@austinross3540]

Great in depth look at the Jacobins Dr. Kat! I am still waiting on that What if Henry Stuart, prince of wales had lived video lol😅

[@SharonPadget]

On a side note, I love the movie Rob Roy starring Liam Neesom. Believe it takes place during Queen Anne’s reign. Don’t know how historically accurate it is but it’s a great movie. Thanks for the video.

[@andrewweinberger4430]

Thank you, Dr. Kat!

[@neko-chan6145]

looking forward to the historical account since it was part of the Outlander books

[@ReadingthePast]

I haven’t read or seen any of Outlander 🫣 I hope you will let me know whether their version differs, and if so how after you watch this video?

[@grtlyblesd]

@@ReadingthePast You’re missing out on a real treat. The books are amazing.

[@neko-chan6145]

@@ReadingthePast The characters are jacobite supporters. so they go through all the suppression of their cause in scotland. i am not sure why anyone would support the jacobites listening to this. it seemed a hopeless cause.thank you for providing the background events that impacted the book characters. it would be great if you could give a historical review of the show or book regarding the jacobite part in the first two seasons of the show or the book.

[@Robin-g7q5d]

You always clear things up making it easy to understand. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Jo-pp7yj]

Thank you.🌄

[@manuellubian5709]

14:20 (approx): What was it that made James Francis Stewart's 'troops' bail on him "leaving only 16 men" to accompany him, further. I thought he went to great lengths to gather his forces?

[@emilyking9558]

I am so glad you did this topic

[@angstymedusa]

Always interesting , thank you Dr Kat!

[@gaylesuggs8523]

As always, very interesting content (and not a subject I hear a lot about in the USA). Thanks for explaining all of this for us. 👑

[@Kristine709]

Thank you for another wonderful and informative video! ⚔️⚔️⚔️🩸🩸🩸⚔️⚔️⚔️👑

[@OkieJammer2736]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Culloden Museum has a wrap-around video of the battle reenactment, where visitors are supposed to feel they're a part of it. Me? I left. What a stupid waste of Life. I lost several ancestors on that bloody field and figured they'd either been lied to that French support was at hand OR they were terribly naive OR both. Slaughter. Unholy slaughter.

[@judyshoaf448]

Very helpful. You covered an amazing amount of territory!👑

[@grace5969]

Thank you Dr Kat, your take on history is always interesting and enriching; not to mention lovd listening to you. Many of us should have had you in history class! BTw, this particular if interest to me, direct descendent of Murray,( or should I boast)? 😮😮😮

[@sunniclark6827]

👍. Love the history you talk about!

[@thescarletgraywitch8052]

Very fascinating info. 👑

[@jasperhorace7147]

I think Britain dodged a bullet. While some power had already transferred from Queen Anne to parliament, far more power left the monarchy when a non English speaking king sat on the throne. The Stuart males had a penchant for the divine right theory. With the Hanoverian dynasty, Britain gradually became the great democracy it is today. That also likely saved the monarchy from a fate similar to the French King.

[@shredbetty1080]

love it. thanks dr.kat.

[@Myke_OBrien]

Fascinating as always! Brava 👏👏👏👏👏! 👑

[@sarapanzarella97]

I have a question if anyone is interested in answering. We just got back from visiting several cities in in Europe, our last being Passau, Germany. We took a tour and our guide, whose first language was not English, spoke the word Protestants with the O as like ‘go’ (can’t write it off my IPhone) like protest-ant. Which made me wonder - is our current emphasis on the word Protestant wrong? How was it spoke originally? Just found it interesting!

[@bobbyb8335]

Wonderful as always! ❤

[@rhiannonpoole6019]

Thank you for your work on this. If the Stuarts had re-taken the throne, what would have happened when their line died out with Henry Benedict? Wouldn't the Hanoverians still have been the nearest line? 🤔

[@pedanticradiator]

No the next in line were the descendants of Charles I's daughter Henrietta. There is a video on the channel Useful Charts that details this

[@starrywizdom]

🌊Over the water to Charlie!

[@CrazyArtistLady]

Its not hard to see how the Jaccobites would have 100%, genuinely belived they were the rightfull rulers. However royalty rules at the pleasure of the people and the Jacobites did not please . Also, given that it was 3 or 4 Generations (depending on how you count) of Jacobites, it not hard to see how royalty usually unalived or imprisoned any competition. Competition was simply too big a problem to ignore.

[@eliscanfield3913]

⛪🐦(as close to a cardinal as I could get)

[@ReadingthePast]

I love that these are the emojis for this! Excellent choice 🙌

[@ameryek.9607]

Completely fascinating, Dr K.! Yet don't the Scots still sing the lovely old song "Will ye no come back again?" Referring to Bonnie Prince Charlie returning. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Several clips are on KZbin Well, now I'm off to watch "Firebrand" - Henry VIII & Katharine Parr - here we go again! Many kind regards from Miss K., Claremont CA ( named after Claremont, England)

[@karensilvera6694]

Thank you for this one. I learned new facts today. You really are the best Dr. Kat ⛪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🥃 how's that for emojis? The shot is for Bonnie Prince Charlie. Cheers

[@bornadas3100]

Love from India❤

[@Hochspitz]

🇦🇺💙💛✌ 🇺🇦 I love your history content. I was the one asking about the worth treaties in the chat. Molotov-Ribbentrop is the very obvious one that springs to mind, although it appears to be forgotten in Russia. How many other treaties have been forgotten, broken, wiped from history?

[@chellebelle8902]

👑🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿☹️ Poor Queen Anne.

[@eileencorcoran3090]

Interesting

[@sundrawhitham5089]

😊

[@michaeljenkins3942]

Are Catholics prohibited from the British throne?😊😊😊

[@ReadingthePast]

Yes, affirmed in law through the 1701 Act of Settlement. Still in force today.

[@onlygrands2012]

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[@countbalerionofhousetatter2624]

👑kind of a jacobite. not big on the hanoverians. though ultimately, does it much matter? interesting history, though. maybe the best would have been if stuarts had gone on ruling in ireland and hanoverians in britain?

[@caitlintiulenev9156]

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[@portialipton]

There is a noble family of 'Stuardi' in Rome. Italians have always told me that they are descendants of the British pretenders. Perhaps they were illegitimate?

[@dorian4534]

The Lennox Sisters (children of the 2nd Duke of Richmond) would call "Bonnie Prince Charlie" their "Cousin Charles" in their letters. 🍊

[@barbarafender7046]

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[@Juliannasstudio]

Worth noting that George 1 at least spoke only German, and could not be bothered to learn English. This is one of the reasons why I sympathize with the Jacobites.

[@MamaMargie]

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[@margaretschembridalli5218]

So the Jacobites did not have offspring? Their line died a natural death?

[@heyguysimstuck5196]

Always amazing🫅

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[@bendrui]

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[@jenniferwilliamson7533]

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[@lfwynndewinter240]

Hi, you may have already covered this, but I was wondering about Henry VIII doctors. Their skill must have been pretty impressive, to keep him alive for 9 years after his leg wounds went septic. If you have already covered this topic, could I be nudged in the right direction? If not, I would love to hear your thoughts on this 😊

[@G.L.McCarthy-vr1oe]

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[@2012Ursula]

A pension of 4k pounds a year? Henry was a lot smarter than his big brother.

[@SafetySpooon]

How are you feeling? You look healthy enough, I'm pleased to see.

[@Downhomeherbwife]

👑 My family are Jacobites, both Irish and Scottish. 4 lords of our family were executed and had their heads on pikes at Tower Bridge.

[@sinclairlanier4081]

Oooph! Ouch!

[@Downhomeherbwife]

@sinclairlanier4081 if I could have found a black mole emoji, I'd have used it (as in 'the little gentleman'.)

[@pedanticradiator]

It would have been Old London Bridge where your ancestors heads were displayed. Tower Bridge did not exist at the time of the Jacobite rebellions

[@sinclairlanier4081]

I actually don't know what the majority of my Scottish ancestors felt about the subject and who they were loyal to. But there were some who were fighting for James VII & II. One was a Jacobite was surnamed MacPherson. He was captured at Preston in 1715, shipped to Liverpool, and then exiled to South Carolina in 1716. I've enjoyed researching and imagining his life story. He ended up making a nice life for himself!

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[@JC-gf5vv]

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[@tanyaphilstrom7077]

Warming pan baby? Please dont tell me that there is a rumor he was replaced

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Thanks 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🤴🛡🗡

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[@maganatalia8432]

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[@manuellubian5709]

Another comment Dr Kat since I'm just now viewing this particular video. It's been very well documented and it's been very well noted, not only within your comments section by another viewer but also by another KZbinr kzbin.infoWw2EO4B3zWA?si=UeVrP2UxCasBAUzx (Yaldi Tours), that put out his own comical KZbin short video. However, aside from the fact that there are supposedly people that could claim the Jacobite throne if you will. I don't even understand how there are so called descendants of the Jacobite movement or cause for there to even BE claimants to the throne? I'm confused. IF, we are to take as fact that at the time of the Culloden battle that all of the fighters (all of which were male) were murdered on the field upon which they lay..... then that would mean effectively that an entire generation was wiped out in a single day...... That means that the women had no way to produce from the Jacobite men anymore. Am I right? So how does that work out that there's Jacobite claimant's to speak of? Off of who's family tree did all of these descendants stream from?

[@Willowflower]

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[@bethhealey3601]

The Stuarts seem to be their own worst enemy.👑⚔

[@rosevale3218]

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[@LaLayla99]

So...is Squarespace "super easy, barely an inconvenience"? If you know, you know... 😁

[@Elizabeth-tq7qw]

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[@erinrising2799]

🦄 the emojis don't have the Scottish flag, so here is the national animal 🦄

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[@yef122]

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[@Elvertaw]

Such a matter is religion 🤦🏽‍♀️ They wanted so badly to save their souls. While debauching themselves on earth. (And yes, I’m assuming this James was not faithful to his wife and kept the liquor locked away) It’s probably better that he didn’t regain the throne. I have a feeling that Stuart Monarchs would have gone the way of the French. And there would be no EII or CIII.