The Jerusalem connection: Where was Mhmd? Who was Mhmd? An early discussion with Paul Ellis

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@mysotiras21 3 ай бұрын

The Islamic Muhammad is a fable; he never actually existed. That fable was almost surely based upon a real person (or persons). The historical character did NOT live in Mecca, however, since Mecca did not exist in the 7th century AD. The historical warlord/religious figure lived in and around Jerusalem, from all the data in the Islamic sources. Great video.

@IslamicOrigins 3 ай бұрын

Excellent summation.

@bobfisher1909 3 ай бұрын

Once you understand Islam foundation which it was born from then you understand why they do as they do and how the Quran seasonal book works. Let's take a look at Islam. They worship "The god" al-ilah shorten later on to Allah. This was the time the leader destroyed all 360 idols and went with one deity referred to as Sin or Suen designated the crescent moon, hence they have it everywhere and Ramadan is to do with the faze of the moon. Allah is the crescent moon or moon worship for Muslims. Let's look at this Prophet they call the praised one (MHMD known as Muhammad) Its father was Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib meaning From the Arabic abd, meaning "servant" or "slave" and Allah. Now his sons name by birth, Quṯam b. ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib, meaning of Qutham, the Son of the Slave of Al-Lat, and Al-Lat...and Al-Lat indicated the Moon Allah at the Arab pagan time. As you can see al-ilah = Crecent moon, father is a slave to it, and his son they call Muhammad is the slave son of the crescent moon. That is their basic foundation the trilogy pack of Islam, whereas Christians have the father the son and holy spirit. Bit of a copy going on there!! Allat meaning: Goddess of war, peace, combat, and prosperity. Al-Lāt with a palm branch and lion from the Temple of Baalshamin in Palmyra, 1st century AD. Damascus was one of the two supreme gods and the sky god of pre-Islamic Palmyra in ancient Syria (Bel being the other supreme god). Now you can see why the Quran is written in stages / seasons, war, peace, combat, and prosperity. Allah of the Muslims. The devil is in their details you just have to look at the meaning of the names. With the stories that come 200 years later, I very much doubt the prophet or father lived, they added them for the foundation as they needed a base like the biblical story, they then borrowed pre-Islam stories to create a false timeline, hence the only sources we have for their characters come from their own material, most of it came from the Torah, Alexsandra the Great, the book of Thomas and old bedtime stories for the children, with an Islamic twist. I hope this has helped why they do what they do, and why war is part of their cult as that Allat meaning.

@OdonLafontaine 3 ай бұрын

The vault is resourceful. You bring out "new treasures as well as old". Tx Mel for the reposting!

@Danielst15lm 3 ай бұрын

The story of ascension to heaven from the Dome of the Rock is evidence that Islam saw the Temple as the Gate Way to heaven like Judaism does. In Judaism, the location of the Temple (whether a Temple stands there or not) is seen as the place from which prayers ascend to heaven and reach God, hence why it is the direction of prayer for Jews. The story of Muhammad, ascending to heaven from that place, and there receives the directives to establish prayers for the Muslims, shows the Muslims learned of this from Jews and completely agreed with this Jewish idea.

@jeangatti9384 3 ай бұрын

Originally the kaaba was in Jerusalem, not in Mecca, and it was jewish. We have to remember that the quran was originally a preaching book of the Nazarenes (called "nasara" (نَصَرَ) in the quran) who were a jewish-christian sect (a "heretical" one for regular byzantine christians since they did not believe in Jesus divinity nor in Trinity). As Jews they practiced pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and their ultimate goal was to go to Salomon's temple. The Holy of Holies was located at the westernmost end of the Temple building and was a cube: 20 cubits by 20 cubits by 20 cubits. The inside was in darkness and contained the Ark of the Covenant. And it was located at the actual location of the Dome of the rock in Jerusalem. So originally the kaaba was in Jerusalem, not in Mecca, and it was jewish. This is also why the first mosques had their qiblas directed to Jerusalem and not to Mecca.

@awakenedaristocrat 3 ай бұрын

The black cube is an ancient symbol for the iewish death god saturn and his material realm

@SEnricoPIndiogine 3 ай бұрын

I think that Paul Ellis is very close to the real meaning of the Q17:1. However, I find the Nazarene Hypothesis of Odon Lafontaine more probable and the author is not a Mhmd but the Nazarene Judeo-Christian "preacher." Hence the "farthest place of prostration would not be in Yathrib but rather somewhere in Mesopotamia, in the Persian Empire.

@Louis.R 3 ай бұрын

100%

@TheLinguist601 3 ай бұрын

I agree, and if we take into account Murad's mention of اقصى (furthest) vs اقصا (most broken), the later is used in the Quran. We can pinpoint it to the Shaf ve-Yativ Synagogue in Baghdad, for which material from the ruins of the Temple of Jerusalem have been used in its construction. Or at least that is what is claimed and believed. This synagogue is probably the most significant synagogue of all. It's name in Aramaic שף ויתיב - bruised and settled, and an Arameo-Arabic nickname 'most broken' would fit like a glove.

@SEnricoPIndiogine 3 ай бұрын

@@TheLinguist601 that is extremely interesting information that you have provided. Thanks. I wonder whether the Nazarene Preacher is making a parallel between the Israelites fleeing the slavery of Egypt and the edict of the Roman Emperor Heraclius forcing the Jews in the Empire to convert to Christianity due to their allegiance to the Persian Emperor during the last Roman-Persian War. I suppose the Jews likewise left the oppression of the Roman Empire for Mesopotamia and the protection of the Jewish Exilarch.

@SEnricoPIndiogine 3 ай бұрын

@@TheLinguist601 Can you elaborate on the "furthest" vs. "most broken", please? According to the dictionary "most broken" is "al-'akthar inkisaran". The Quran uses the word "al-aqsa" from "qasa" = distant. I have a hard time reading the two Arabic words in your comment because the text is small. Please explain your statement that "most broken" and not "most distant" is used in Q17:1. Maybe I misunderstood. Please explain. This is very important to me.

@TheLinguist601 3 ай бұрын

@@SEnricoPIndiogine Okay, so furthest is اقصى spelled with a final alif maqsurah, just like the name of the mosque currently on the Temple mount. In the Quran it is spelled اقصا with a final regular alif. So either the quranic author did not know how to spell furthest correctly (with a final alif maqsurah), or he meant something else. In Aramaic קצא q-ṣ-ā means 'break into pieces'. If you apply Arabic declension patterns, (very simplified) elative adjectives are formed by placing a preceding alif before the root. Example: big كبير - kabir, biggest اكبر - ākbar. If you take it aqṣā to be an Aramaic loan with an Arabic declension pattern applied, it means 'most broken'. This is the best explanation for the deviant spelling as found in the Quran, especially in context. The other is that the author of the master copy of the Quran made a spelling mistake (and consequently Allah did not protect his eternal speech).

@simonhengle8316 3 ай бұрын

I think that Prof. Dr. R. Kerr's suggestion that the authors of the Mohammad story used Heraclius's timeline is pretty solid.

@kardew973 3 ай бұрын

who recites quran is muslim who understands quran leaves islam.

@doubleclutch4369 3 ай бұрын

For a Muslim who understands the Quran, it becomes a "Christian" text..... which is it's purpose as it was originally intended. Islam today is just an attempt to undermine Jesus and counter the spread of Christianity.

@javedarabi-cm2wh 14 күн бұрын

Like Bible leaves Christianity

@sheikhboyardee556 3 ай бұрын

I am rarely on this site any longer. Mel, please upload on your other site.

@IslamicOrigins 3 ай бұрын

The videos ought to be echoing there. Don't know why it is not.

@sheikhboyardee556 3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins The other sites are making slow progress. Rumb^r's profits increased by 27% last quarter. YT with it's censorship is losing viewership.

@skolsuper8447 3 ай бұрын

The Quran reminds me of the song, By Toyah Willcox, Its a Mystery lol.

@preapple 2 ай бұрын

MHMD here is a Jewish exilarch. Not Muhammad of Islam.

@benmoi3390 Ай бұрын

I dunno which proto evangelion of James you got but those I have marie give birth in bethleem with Joseph around

@seekkeith23 3 ай бұрын

meanwhile in holy book of islam, a pagan origin of name muhammad! Who were a family of profit mu ham mad!!! who were these slaves of al lah in hell fire? (father) Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib (mother) Amina bint Wahb (grand father) Abd al-Muttalib Shaybah ibn Hashim, Servant of Muttalib they were slaves of pagan god , muttalib. On the seventh day he made sacrifice for him and invited Quraysh to see him. When they had feasted, they asked, "O Abd al-Mutalib, what have you thought of naming this son of yours you have honoured?" "I have named him Muhammad," he replied. "Why", they asked, "have you preferred him not to have one of the names of his kinsfolk?" "Because I wanted God to praise him in heaven and His creatures to praise him on earth," he replied. The name Muhammad (ﷺ) was given to the Prophet by his mother and grandfather, pagan god worshipers! the name Mohammed carries the meaning of “the praised one” or “the one who receives praise.” who is this pagan god, al lah of his mother and grandfather , was praised to? a pagan god!!!! Muhammad was praised by pagan gods!!! how many muslims named their babes muhmammad? al lah said these is my seal of false profit. WOW what a hahalala religion!

@shdwbnndbyyt 3 ай бұрын

One note... The Muslims DID have shrines at the tombs of Mohammed and other of early followers of Muhammed built after the move to Mecca and Medina, they were destroyed by the Wahhabis if I remember correctly... sometime between 1400 and 1880....

@imnotabdool5206 3 ай бұрын

When the Saudi wanted to renovate kabah , the archaeologist came to check what was under the soil hundreds of meters down below. The archaeologists did not discover anything . No bones, no broken kettle or bric-a-brac or weapon .NOTHING . The archaeologists only discovered SOIL. nothing else. No historical evidence is ever found in Mecca . ZERO.

@selyildirimli2991 3 ай бұрын

Was the dome of the rock built yet when MHMD was alive? How could they call the Dome of the rock as the most further mosque, ıf ıt was not buılt yet till 670s?😂

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 3 ай бұрын

Hi.I have thought that masjidil Aqsa , that Aqsa could be potentially refering to Axumi. In chapter 36 of the quran, their is a mentioning of , Aqsa AL Madina. So it could be asked where is Aqsa AL Madina. If AL is taken out,then Aqsamadina seems a sound similar to Aqsumi. Their is no X in Arabic alphabet. Also the junk modern Arabic definition of Aqsa to refer to farthest, well i think many Arabic word definitions are newly invented definitions and not compatible with the quran words.basically they pure junk,and created by junk primative minded Abbassid scholars with their junk Farsi language. Farsi junk language uses same alphabet letters as quran Arabic alphabet letters in an overall sense,hence it so easy to copy an Arabic quran root ,and give any new definition to the quran arabic root.