The Joy-Con War Is Over. We Lost.

Head to www.squarespace... to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code "arlo"
The "Joy-Con drift" lawsuits are all dead. Nintendo won the war.
If you like what I do, please consider supporting me on Patreon! You'll gain instant access to the official Arlo Discord server, behind-the-scenes updates on unannounced projects, and other stuff too!
/ arlostuff
Twitter: / arlostuff
Twitch: / arlostuff
Stream VODs: / arloplays
This video was edited by the wondrous Kane!
/ kanesthename
"Reloaded Installer #11" by LHS.
/ @lhschiptunes

[@ArloStuff]

THIS COMMENT IS PINNED. WE WON. Head to www.squarespace.com/arlo to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code "arlo"

[@quintonconoly]

Ok

[@RomanSimkins]

How is this comment older than the video?

[@griffonsarcade]

@@RomanSimkins When you upload a video you can keep it private until a scheduled published date, leaving ample opportunity to leave a comment while only you can access the video

[@quintonconoly]

@@RomanSimkinsyou can post comments on videos you haven’t uploaded yet I believe

[@logicalfundy]

@@RomanSimkins Video was probably private for a while.

[@marumoru2773]

I think the main issue with the lawsuits were that they claimed Nintendo designed the Joycons purposefully in a way that they would break down in no time while the more realistic option is that they are just low quality to cut on production cost.

[@gearoidoconnell5729]

I think the other issue is lots of joy-con get fixed by software updates. I had one on day 1 it got daft after a year but now it the not daft after all the software updates. You look bad if in court and Joy-Con has no draft 😶 .

[@IAmNotASandwich453]

​@@gearoidoconnell5729 You cant fix hardware issues with software updates.

[@JMGauthier]

​@@gearoidoconnell5729 This is incorrect. Most joy-con drift is a *hardware* issue and cannot be fixed with *software* updates.

[@Jokerwolf666]

​@@gearoidoconnell5729software updates don't fix physical problems.

[@analogbrayn]

@@JMGauthier Which is why I agree with marumoru2773, I think the joycons and other controllers are just made more cheaply to cut down on production costs.

[@Glory2Snowstar]

Can Nintendo at least give us an official Nintendo-brand coffin to store our dead Joy-Cons in?

[@awakenedcrowl]

Use your left over Nintendo Labo Cupboard to craft them.

[@ravenebony2267]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@broty8770]

Insert coffin dance here

[@sahaprocks7751]

They’re missing out on millions of money

[@respox2191]

Sure, that'll be $79.99 before tax.

[@PARR-E]

I’m honestly going to be pretty upset if the Switch’s successor has drift issues.

[@fluffynator6222]

Apparently you can fix it with software corrections?

[@flamingpaper7751]

​@fluffynator6222 You can't. It's a hardware issue because the bottom of the analog sticks are made of graphite and will occasionally break off and ruin the ability for the stick movements to be read properly. The fact that Nintendo got away with this is disgusting

[@hnt8461]

@@fluffynator6222 there's multiple issues withthe joycons that only fixes a small part of what's the major problem the major problem is the the design of the joy cons themselves

[@johnmarkson1990]

@@toumabyakuya it was wild. people were acting like stick drift was this brand new thing lol.

[@fluffynator6222]

@@flamingpaper7751 Yes and you can detect those irregularities and even them out. Coming from my professor in game engineering, at least. 🤷 Also: "disgusting" feels over dramatic. Like it's an obvious miscarriage of justice but that feels wording petulant.

[@flightless]

The first thing I did for my joycons was to replace the plastic rail clips with metal ones, and the second thing was to replace the sticks with hall effect replacements. My joycons are still the original pair that came with my switch, which is the original launch model switch, and with those modifications, they still work flawlessly. No drift, and they lock into the rails securely.

[@lunasif]

Dang I wish this was an option, since we have to shell out money for new joy cons anyway couldnt we just pay to have them upgraded?

[@Mr.Peanut1986]

How does one get these parts and do this themselves? I'm interested. I dont want my joy cons to let me down, ever!

[@flightless]

@@Mr.Peanut1986 KZbin seems to like to instantly delete comments that reference products or websites... but I'll try one more time. Gulikit makes hall effect joycon stick replacements, and you can search for joycon replacement latches to find sets similar to the ones I got. KZbin and ifixit have everything you need so far as instructions for joycon disassembly.

[@ryanm4166]

@@Mr.Peanut1986Amazon.

[@DR.DisInfect]

I did nothing to mine and they still like new

[@TheJasonmanguy]

I worked at Nintendo of America for their refurbishment department on Switchs for a bit, and yes it is well known that Joycons drift. When we got in the Switchs we had to check the joycons for drift and repair them if they were broken.

[@kirbybie]

how did you repair them ? so i can fix my own

[@TheJasonmanguy]

@@kirbybie I would suggest looking up tutorials online but we had a myriad of solutions. We would try to calibrate them on the switch, if that didn’t work we would try to run an update on the joycons. If that didn’t work usually you would have to take it apart and check the internals and replace the whole stick.

[@Mr.Peanut1986]

​@TheJasonmanguy I heard or read somewhere that Nintendo will fix them for free? I have never had any issues, but I got an OLED. They are white and awesome. I dont want to replace them. Can I send them to Nintendo and they can fix them for free?

[@TheJasonmanguy]

@@Mr.Peanut1986 I’m not sure if they do it for free anymore but you can send them in for repair.

[@Mr.Peanut1986]

@@TheJasonmanguy OK, thank you very much. I hope it doesn't come to that. But, thank you.

[@SuperSonic68]

One of the best Christmas gifts of the past few years was when my brother-in-law gave me a pair of joycon that were pre-modded with brand new thumbsticks that should never drift.

[@_DTAppl]

Do they still work fine? If so, pass me the link to em’!

[@unclesquidy285]

Hall effect joysticks and triggers daily they are so damned good Nintendo NEEDS to switch to them

[@Code7Unltd]

@@unclesquidy285 I guess ALPS gave Nintendo (and the two other "big'uns") too good of a deal on their pointers to pass them up. Of course, most third-party controller assemblers moved on to magnetic pointers and are better for it, unlike the industry at large.

[@esk8jaimes]

Guessing you mean the Gulikit HALL sensor thumbsticks?

[@unclesquidy285]

@@esk8jaimes Just any hall effect sticks really

[@crimsonhawk52]

My joycons literally came with drift on Day 1. Literally the launch of the console, brought it home, booted up BotW. Stepped away when I got on top of the tutorial tower on the great plateau and I heard Link jump off and die from the other room. Got my pro controller that day too.

[@sahaprocks7751]

That’s unlucky as hell

[@chrislevack405]

My pro controller drifts.

[@Yosh-00]

That's rough buddy

[@joshuahelland7834]

@@chrislevack405I have two pro controllers and they both drift.

[@banbrado28]

@@chrislevack405 Yeah my pro controller drifts too.

[@xorphinindi]

"I am taking preliminary steps to clean my room. Stay tuned." LOL

[@nickjoffe8433]

My twenty year old gamecube controller still works fine after two whole decades. Meanwhile, modern day joy-cons last only a few months before they suffer stick drift. Sadly, when Iwata died, so did Nintendo's care for quality controllers.

[@detdeet]

replace the thumbstick with widely available hall effect replacements, problem solved

[@MrAnimason]

The pro controller is amazing. There was just poor prioritizing on Nintendo's part.

[@celestialkitsune]

​@MrAnimason Nope. That has easily caused drift as well. No different than the joycons.

[@MrAnimason]

@@celestialkitsune Has never happened to me and I've had them since 2017

[@guidomersmann9744]

Animal Crossing killed my ProControllers, too. I fixed my Controllers once and forever by inserting HallSensor Sticks. They now never break again, but also allow so much smother control.

[@SetariM]

"Preliminary steps to clean my room" - me at 32 when I pick up a sock and put it in the hamper and then collapse into a chair

[@Anna-dd4rh]

Still more than Nintendo lol. You should be proud

[@RickWhitechest]

Your icon makes me think of holding the X and B buttons on a Joy-Con.

[@davebob4973]

​@@RickWhitechest and 2 ps vita thumbsticks

[@maddiemcnugget1076]

@@Anna-dd4rh As someone who has a hard time cleaning my room due to mental health and stuff... this is affirming haha

[@Mr.Peanut1986]

Its gets better at 37. You won't be able to find any socks...

[@OddyOddity-ob2uv]

The Drift is too powerful... Their lawyers have been listening to Running In The 90s the whole time.

[@VladimirZakrevski]

They spent all Night of Fire to get the joycons to be Manual

[@snichelsticks8653]

dude i was just listening to that today

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

@@VladimirZakrevski They worked all night cause "Nobody sleeps in Tokyo"

[@slenderfoxx3797]

Damn. Joycons are now all cons and no joy! 😢

[@trgabrielgf]

This one got me good, congrats

[@sahaprocks7751]

LMAO

[@slenderfoxx3797]

​@trgabrielgf lol you're welcome. Honestly I made this joke years ago when I first saw and felt how bad the joycons were...and of course, all their...design problems 😅

[@LEGO_NASCAR]

Good thing there's pros. (Controller)

[@TheBlackSeraph]

I always thought that :D I like my Switch but I put off buying one for years because I thought the buttons were too small and cramped I'd get RSI. I own a Vita, a PSP and a DS Lite and this is the first time playing a handheld has given me wrist pains.

[@samuelemmert5136]

Honestly, the one thing Nintendo has actually done wrong at this point is not properly advertising that they’ll repair any joycon you send in for free, regardless of if the damage is stick-related. I sent in a box of joycons with everything from dead buttons to chipped casings, and all it cost me was the ink to print the label, and every single one was either repaired or replaced. It’s almost certainly a money thing, mind you. But PSA, they will absolutely repair/replace your drifting joycons if you send them in, free of charge.

[@paperluigi6132]

Honestly, the fact that they repair them for free means that it cannot be intentional for Joy-Con Drift to be there. That alone meant that these lawsuits were doomed from the start, since it meant people that bought replacements were either too lazy or didn’t know about the free repairs.

[@ghostlyhousehorrors]

I think the only do it free for north America, idk about Europe

[@reagansido5823]

"There is no joy-con drift in Ba Sing Se."

[@ThePaulineu]

I wish some more people talked about the other issue with joy-cons: when old, they tend to slide off the switch just a tad, without having pressed the back button to slide them off. I swear I have never not pressed that button to slide them off, and yet without fail my joycons slightly slide off when played in handheld. It's like they can't handle the weight of the switch anymore. ALSO sometimes, they disconnect randomly from my switch as well, acting as if they lost all charges. This happens to me while playing splatoon. If I slide them on and off again, the problem stops. Seriously even without drift there are issues! I hope the switch 2's supposed magnetic-linked joy-cons will solve these issues

[@thepainpanda7681]

Mine have the exact opposite problem! I put on the side things with the wrist straps on them sometimes when I play the switch on the tv and when I go to unattach them they just REFUSE to slide off! They come off eventually but it’s still annoying! Also, wouldn’t they fall off easier if they used magnets to attach them?

[@thepainpanda7681]

Oh and with my other joycon, the led lights that show which player you are (the square ones on the side) do not work at all for some reason! The controller itself is fine but it’s just the led lights that don’t work

[@osoaioi]

I also have this problem! My joycons are so scratched up now cause they keep sliding off of my switch when I carry it around, it actually ended up breaking the left shoulder button. Now theres issues with getting them connected too aparently theres something wrong with the attachment rail I have to like press it in harder to get it to connect.

[@chisecrecy4974]

Yeah the "locking" mechanism for both of my Joy-Cons do NOT work at all. They still sort of stay on, like they're not completely lose, but it's enough to cause discomfort. I think Arlo mentioned that his OLED's were doing the same thing here.

[@jorismak]

You can have them repaired. I always had them back within 2 weeks, and pay like 12,- for the repair cost.

[@notareetbot6264]

I got a switch pro controller 2 years ago and it developed severe drift in both sticks just over a year after I bought it (with a 1 year warranty). I asked them about the free repair/replacement program, and they said "There is no design issue with the Joy-Con controllers, and no widespread proactive repair or replacement effort is underway" which I screenshotted because it reminded me of "There is no war in Ba Sing Se." It's genuinely shocking to me that Nintendo not only didn't communicate clearly that they were doing so, but actually denied it when asked.

[@Cerebrum123]

Weird, because when I sent my original Joy-cons in just recently, they said that they would fix the issue for free if I sent them in. I bought the system when it came out, so mine were way out of warranty.

[@ItApproaches]

If Iwata was still around they would be owning up to their problems.

[@Lucarioguild7]

Yeah thats bullshit, you can still send in joycons to get fixed why are you lying for fake internet points?

[@goldencash4]

My pro controller had drift on the left thumbstick too, I just opened up the controller and cleaned out the dust, works fine now no issues

[@BoxoSpoons]

I always found the talk about pro controllers drifting interesting, because I got my Switch and pro controller within the same month as each other (so probably manufactured in the same window) and I’ve had to replace both my joy con sticks, but my pro controller functions completely fine even after using it as my go-to controller for Switch and primary PC controller for years. I’m not trying to deny anything, I’m just saying it’s interesting to me how inconsistent it seems, as opposed to joy con drift being more like an inevitability by this point.

[@PaulSmith-pe1kh]

My mom gave me the TOTK OLED and game last year while in the final stages of brain and lung cancer. It was my final bday gift from her and it means so much to me now. I’ve had days of utter dread fearing that drift was beginning. I know it’s just a device but it’s my last and final connection and example of my mom’s endless desire to bring me joy and spend a crazy amount of money to give me the best of whatever I’m into. I’m about to be 40 so it’s not like I couldn’t buy my own but it’s special to me. I truly wish Nintendo didn’t drop the ball here. As much as I love the switch, the games, my OLED and the company itself, this is one thing I dread. I have 4 pair of useless joy cons I may eventually send in one day but it shouldn’t be an issue at all. These are EXPENSIVE controllers and I’m not good at making time and effort to send something like this off to get them fixed. I’ll just buy new ones and they know most of us will. It’s the best example of the company that serves us so well with entertainment not serving us in the slightest when the bottom dollar is at risk. Any legit joy con should be swapped no questions asked at any retailer at Nintendo’s dime. Then they do the fixes and resale refurbished cons. I’d buy fixed ones from them and I’d trade mine without complaining but sending them off for a few months and learning how to even do it is a joke.

[@KingofBeasts444]

My condolences

[@NootieNootie]

Sorry for your loss.

[@Kawaiitwo]

Sorry for your loss, cancer absolutely sucks. 💔 As for the topic of the joycons themselves, the fact that it can take a week or more for them to get shipped off, fixed, and shipped back for free when you can just go to the store and buy new ones instantly is just… oof. Hell, I opted for that myself. If it didn’t take so long for the free option, drift wouldn’t suck as bad as it does. I mean, it’d still suck, just a little less.

[@alfiegordon9013]

For what it's worth, it's very easy to switch out the sticks for hall effect ones, ifixit has a whole kit that includes the stick and all the tools you'll need for about $20, although fair enough if you don't want to take them apart for sentimental reasons

[@rimfire8217]

Planned Obsolescence is a really scummy practice, not only does it hurt consumers it is also bad for the environment. Most radioactive waste comes from discarded electronics, and I think that should incentivize companies to make them more sustainable. I love my switch, and I love a lot of Nintendo's output, but they gotta be transparent. Every Tech Company has to be transparent with this stuff.

[@SlimeBlueMS]

I doubt they planned it to happen, but it sure was fucking convenient. Just ended up in more joycon sales, purposeful or not... of course they wouldn't fix them if they don't legally have to. Fucking ridiculous

[@paperluigi6132]

@@SlimeBlueMSuh, they actually fix them for free if you send them in according to quite a few people here.

[@evancoffland19]

Nintendo wouldn’t purposefully make their joy cons bad. Motion control is pretty much their baby. If anything, they would hate that joy cons drift, because it would put a sour taste in peoples mouths for motion control.

[@AyameSohma1993]

It's not just their joy-cons, because even the pro controllers drift. I wanted one for a long time, and decided to finally bite the bullet and get the special TotK edition controller last year. It felt comfortable in my hands, and controlled beautifully at first, but it started drifting after just a few months of use. It was incredibly disappointing...

[@vortexluigirosalina5557]

I have that same TOTK Pro Con yet mine hasn’t drifted yet

[@AyameSohma1993]

@@vortexluigirosalina5557 I hope yours remains okay

[@vortexluigirosalina5557]

@@AyameSohma1993 mine is ok for now

[@GavinsBazaar313]

​@@AyameSohma1993my splatoon one hasn't drifted at all yet either

[@Pants.69]

There have been reports of ps5 and Xbox controllers drifting as well so it isn’t just a Nintendo issue but the joycons seem to be the most likely to drift

[@Highstar25]

Reminder that the DREAMCAST had hall effect sticks. Sega, of all companies, already eliminated this problem entirely by using what was (at the time) new technology... that has since been abandoned in favour of planned obsolescence.

[@musicotensai]

Reminder that Saturn had these first. So since the mid 90s we’ve had the technology. Costs nothing. The real reason is potentially consumers will just get new ones when drift gets bad. Nintendo is cheap with hardware so I’m not surprised.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

The problem comes from who they get the analogs from. PS4/5, Xbone/series SX, switch all use the same company for their analog and they all fail

[@Masaim6]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 No, all analog sticks have this same problem, they wear out.

[@TheRegularHedgehog575]

​@@Masaim6 but they shouldn't wear out this fast.

[@Masaim6]

@@TheRegularHedgehog575 This is why all of them should use hall effect sticks.

[@cursedkevin]

Even cheap chinese emulation handhelds have hall-effect sticks in them. There is ZERO excuse to not include them in a real video game console

[@enorma29]

excuse? no. actual reason? yes. PEOPLE. CAN'T. BOYCOTT.

[@Lucarioguild7]

The excuse is it costs money, you don't have to like it but its pretty simple

[@ItsReallyGeo]

​@Lucarioguild7 To such a negligible percentage of the items overall cost that it does not matter. The only reason not to have them at this point, is to prey on your consumers.

[@musicotensai]

Sega did it in the 90s but here we are with the big 3 making lower quality controllers than the Chinese third parties.

[@rafaelroma1657]

If you know Nintendo's console development history you know they are looking to save that dime fraction wherever they can find opportunity to do so. We all love Game Boys and have fondly memories but the reality is that they were hot garbage even for their time with that incredibly shitty screens. We bougth millions of them regardless. Like one mentioned above, people can't boycott. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@0cellusDS]

It is important to note that these lawsuits were specifically about Nintendo doing this maliciously. The lawsuits were about if faulty controllers were built like this purposefully with the intention to sell more units down the line. The fact that Nintendo won these does not mean that Nintendo can't be held accountable for creating bad products. But That's a really hard thing to pin them down on, especially because Nintendo is far from the only AAA studio with this kind of issue in the current generation. It's just Nintendo's great success with the Switch that draws special attention to the Joycons, simply because more people own a Switch than a PS5.

[@KingVulpes]

I haven't had any drift with my oled joycons yet, its been 3 years, and I'm glad they're still working so well

[@grunkleg.29691]

It makes sense. You can easily prove that JoyCon drift is real. Proving it was _intentional_ though, that's a lot harder

[@Domarius64]

That surprised me that the case was "intentional", there was no need to go that far... plenty of evidence there's a problem

[@gang-ridertv5433]

At this point it is definitly intentionial

[@Pants.69]

@@gang-ridertv5433I mean the fact that ps5 controllers have drift as well shows it could very well be a common manufacturing issue rather than intentionally making faulty joycons

[@dialga236]

​@@gang-ridertv5433 in a moral sense, i absolutely and totally agree. but courtrooms dont work that way, if you dont have proof, you dont have a case, and intent in these kind of cases is really really hard, especially with the kind of money nintendo likely pumped into lawyers.

[@stevethepocket]

@@Domarius64 And more importantly, plenty of evidence they knew it was a problem and continued to do nothing about it. You could probably build a pretty solid lawsuit around that.

[@logicalfundy]

We do what caused the problem - pieces of metal rubbed out. Plenty of people took them apart and looked at them. Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made some tweaks to make them more reliable last a bit longer. Hopefully the Switch 2 uses Hall Effect.

[@wastelandking]

Hardly. Most game companies know that Hall Effects are too long lasting to be worth putting in their gaming peripherals. That's why they still stick with potentiometers. It makes them more money in the long run. Best you can do is take apart your joycons and pro controllers and install Hall Effect sticks. Cheaper to do than buying new OEM peripherals, and easier than you'd expect.

[@logicalfundy]

@@wastelandking Nintendo is known to create durable products, though.

[@jakehildebrand1824]

Rather than a Switch 2, I want a GameCube 2

[@wastelandking]

@@logicalfundy Usually, but the Switch has been having constant stick drifting problems. Usually, they would try to mitigate that in some sort of way.

[@SteveNathn]

I do think they improved it, or maybe I’ve just been really lucky. All 4 of my original JoyCon had drift (one took longer to get it than the rest), and the 3 I sent in for repairs in 2019, all are still good. The last one I sent in just last week, funny enough

[@Domarius64]

That was worth the whole video for the "I've been taking preliminary steps to cleaning my room..." bit 😆

[@Poweranimals]

Literally every single joycon I’ve owned has drifted.

[@Phox-in-a-Box]

My first set started drifting really hard about six months in. I got it to a "workable" state by opening the calibration menu and basically "grinding" the joystick until it would stay centered, but eventually even that stopped working.

[@BulletBeez]

“You know, when I was younger….. I used to think you were cool” -that one hotdiggedydemon animation

[@Greendawn-di3dl]

"Even though these are perfectly fine I'm going to replace them; for absolutely no reason."

[@gavinopolis]

@@Greendawn-di3dl "A completely arbitrary decision"

[@ducksfolif977]

the voice he did in that video was lowkey racist tho, got weird vibes

[@thewanderingchelmet]

@@ducksfolif977 nah it was funny to me

[@The_Endless_Now]

​@@ducksfolif977 You really gotta try HARD to "get weird vibes" from something so innocent. You know what, screw it. You're racist now, because I said so.

[@Dakr2000]

I don’t think it was planned obsolescence but Nintendo should’ve done better. Weren’t the skyward sword joy fixed?

[@Druid-T]

A lot of the later Joy-cons have the fixes that make them, at the very least, drift resistant. Like Arlo said there are very few (reported) issues with Oled Joy-con. So yeah, it doesn't really come across as planned obsolescence

[@ItApproaches]

Yup. I got Skyward Sword joycons at launch and they are fine still.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

I have a switch OLED and I’ve not had any Gond drift.

[@ayoshi4725]

Making something with the cheapest materials possible is planned obsolescence. Even if you don't think it's intentional (I think it is but I wouldn't say for sure, Nintendo is a strange company after all), it' still reducing its lifetime (and quality) for the sole purpose of obtaining more benefits.

[@mrheroprimes]

@@ayoshi4725 There's companies like Neca, When you look at them up their own description for their company is they make perishable goods when they're supposed to be making these high quality figures that's a bit of a red flag right there considering a majority of their figures they produce end up breaking.

[@Purpletrident]

Ps5 has the same exact issues. To the point that even their $200 controller has replaceable sticks because they're built to break. Though no one really complains about the ps5 controllers

[@pickyyeeter]

This actually just started happening to one of my PS5 controllers two days ago

[@sammalone7881]

No where as often as the switch's joycons. The outcry would be much more prevalent if it happened with nearly every dualsense.

[@Multimonata]

My two dual senses work just fine, despite me using them both daily (one for pc one for ps5). I hope it stays this way 😢

[@JGr2000]

I just bought a PS5 a few days ago and I was really hoping drift wouldn’t be an issue. I’m not surprised at all that it is an issue with the dual sense controller, but MAN, this sucks. I have two sets of joy cons and both of the left ones have drift, I also have a series x controller with drift as well as a 360 controller that I haven’t used in years

[@LeeFox1337]

IDK if something changed but I've had the same PS4 control for 5 years. The joy cons I have went out in 2 with me only playing pokemon and zelda.

[@uroborous01]

Electrician here: We DO know what was wrong with the joycons. Its the way they are made. On the inside the analog detector is a metal “tongue” that scrapes across a carbon pad. This scraping causes carbon dust to build up and get shuffled around in there and cause “false” signals to the sensors which is what the drift is. Its literally a symptom of the thumbstick in the joycons going bad and nintendo refusing to admit they screwed up. Nintendo could have fixed the whole thing quick and easy, by putting “hall effect” sensors in the thumbsticks instead of cheap metal tongue and pad sensors. The hall effect sensors use magnetic proximity and orientation detection to determine what is going on with the thumbstick. And its wayyy more accurate than (so far) every other analog thumbstick design on the market. Thankfully as an end user you have the power to fix it yourself by doing the replacement of the thumbstick yourself. Or find some guy like me online that you can mail your stuff off to, and someone like me will do it for you but we charge money in exchange for services such as this. So be prepared to spend some cash. But please always support your local computer/gaming hardware repair geeks. (Geek squad does not count, they suck)

[@bagszi]

I have like 12 pair (yes, pair) of joy-cons and i usually use them in small event letting many many people try out my Switches (like 200 people per event for 10-20 hours for a weekend). So they are very well used. I did have joy-con drift on 2 pair (after 2 years!) and i used the small cardboard fix and they have been good ever since! Most of the issue cause either dirt stucking under the analogue sticks or more commonly the whole joy-con just getting bit more loose. The local Nintendo repair shop fixes them for free, but i haven't yet needed to bring my joy-cons in. I am pretty sure this was not intentional, but they did not tested the durability for the correct way to realize that these controllers can get loose or dirty like this which causes the drift. I really do hope they will be more aware and test their controllers more carefully in the future though.

[@justafossil]

My brand new switch lite CAME with drift on the left stick. I had to replace it the day I got it. The replacement developed a deadzone on the backwards/down direction on the left side stick after about 8 months and I've just been dealing with it since. Replaced the stick myself since by then it was out of warranty, and it only restored partial sensitivity, but it's better than nothing. I've been waiting to see what the next console is to decide what I'm replacing it with. My roommates also both have standard switches and had to buy multiple pairs of joycons within the first two years after drift developed on 3 of the sets (usually the left side, no idea what it is about the left side.) The most strenuous games they play are like.. pokemon/animal crossing, so it's not like these are even getting very heavily used. There is no reason the same issue should have been present in this number of products, given our small sample size. While I don't think it was purposefully busted on Nintendo's part, it's an issue they simply decided not to fix for a while, which was a big problem for families who did not have the money to constantly replace the hardware (and didn't know about/have access to the repair programs.). I will say that it seems like our newer joycons haven't developed the issues the older ones did, so our experience aligns with yours in that regard. Hopefully it's mostly resolved by now, even if they were weirdly quiet about it. I'd be happier if they had made better efforts towards transparency and compensation. Here's hoping we'll see more durable structure on whatever is coming next.

[@Sponsie1000]

if they're mainly playing games like pokemon and animal crossing l'd say it makes perfect sense that it's mainly their left joycon that starts drifting,, you constantly use the left joystick to walk around and go through menus, whereas you only occasionally use the right joystick to move the camera (and only if you feel the need to do so). Of course the joystick that is used constantly wears down faster than the one you only use every now and then

[@xSuperFryx]

The joycons are the worst quality official controllers I have ever used

[@justinhansen4941]

N64 enters chat

[@Wingsaber]

​@justinhansen4941 Idk man, that n64 controller has survived many years of my aggressive mario party abuse

[@quonit37]

Genuinely true. Even aside from drift they're horrible in so many other ways.

[@mjc0961]

Same. Mine haven't drifted but only because they're so awful that I never use them. They're too dang small for my big fat man paws to comfortably use. Those weird AA battery attachments gave them more bulk to hold onto but I still would have liked longer joycon with the buttons spaced farther apart. Like the Wiimote.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

@@justinhansen4941 I never had any issues with my N64 controllers but I did have an issue with a third-party one and ever since I’ve chosen not to buy any third-party controllers of any systems that I’ve owned over the years.

[@ZappBranniglenn]

Princess Peach Showtime had no D-Pad support. The D-Pad has no mapped action in the game, despite it functionally being no more '3D' than a Streets of Rage. Why does Nintendo have this expectation that A) we have a functioning control stick and B) we prefer that over the precision of a D-Pad for non-3D games?

[@avimidi]

That's ridiculous! Even Contra: Operation Galuga had D-Pad controls, and that came out 10 DAYS BEFORE SHOWTIME DID! How are third parties doing 10x better than first parties? I'm pretty sure like 80% of my Switch library is consisted of third party titles, compared to the maybe 20% of first party ones, and I think I'm starting to see why... maybe it was a good idea to hold off on the Paper Mario remake. I'm worried they might've screwed the controls up on that too.

[@oxedward4738]

Tbh, even if it did have dpad support I probably wouldn’t use it. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have dpad support, but the joycon direction buttons aren’t great and the dpad genuinely sucks on the pro controller.

[@ultimatehamsandwich734]

reminds me of how the D-pad wasnt used at all for Ocarina of Time (due to the terrible design of the N64 controller) and how the randomizer communities for OoT and Majoras Mask added button inputs for the D-pad allowing a quick use function for: the Ocarina, boots swapping, and the main tranforming masks.

[@garf752]

Well the control stick is still going to drift your character any direction it wants whether you use it or not. And I can’t believe you actually use the tiny shitty little gumdrops Nintendo calls a “dpad”

[@lpfan4491]

I unironically think the D-buttons exist because of Kirby. They suck in literally any other gameseries, but they are wonderful for 2D Kirby gameplay.

[@dr.kineilwicks7002]

I knew about the drift going in, which is why when I went to Wal-Mart to buy BotW I told the girl running the electronics section that I wanted an alternate controller for my Switch. She knew EXACTLY what I was talking about and directed me to a retro controller set. The only time I have ever used the joycons is when I had to for the gyro puzzles in BotW and had a tiny bit of drift that was easily solved, but going in knowing this was a thing is why I decided to never use them.

[@anthonydavis5826]

Joy-Con drift definitely is a thing, and I’ve experienced it with several of my Joy-Cons as well as (I think) with my Pro controller. It’s never been more than an annoyance for me though because Nintendo has always fixed them for me, for free. I’ve never even had to pay for shipping. If people don’t realize they can contact Customer Support and request a repair, honestly, that’s on them. Nintendo’s phone number has been the same for the past 30 years; I’ve had it memorized since I was a kid. Also it’s worth noting that Nintendo isn’t the only one with this problem. My PS5 and Xbox controllers have also experienced drift. Sony repaired the controller with no problem (though I did have to pay for shipping), but Microsoft basically told me I was SOL because I was out of warranty and I had to take it to a private game repair store to get it fixed. Either way, it wasn’t the end of the world.

[@Gengar-Gang]

I have a day one PS2 controller that has been with me through 7 moves, a spilled cup of tea and the flooding a basement and it only has very inor drift in the left stick that goes away when i flick the stick in the opposite direction of the drift and doesn't come up again for months. My PS4 controller I've had for 6 years works as good as the day I bought it. I've been through 4 sets of joycons because of drift and I'm just like Arlo, I take immaculate care of my things. I am so careful with all of my things. It's so frustrating

[@alexham-kucharski6985]

For me it’s not just the Joy-Con, the drift also happens with my Pro-controller for the Switch.

[@cancerstinks1]

Same!

[@rockoB.archives]

same thing happened to me. i got a new one. the same day the old one stopped drifting and worked fine. -_-

[@jorgemtzb9359]

It does seem to be a lot less prevalent with the pro-controller. I've had two pairs of joycons and one pro controller, ALL 4 JOYCONS got some amount of drift. pro controller didn't

[@OzoneGamerStation]

It's a lot less common in Pro Controllers though.

[@vortexluigirosalina5557]

My original Pro Con is already drifting badly now smash bros one or Tears of the Kingdom could be next

[@Splater765]

“The switch felt rushed to market…” THANK YOU!!! I’ve literally been saying this since joy con drift began. Nintendo has usually made hardware that is high quality, but because they were forced to get the switch out in as little time as possible due to the Wii U’s failure, it’s very obvious that big problems weren’t discovered soon enough and that normal durability tests just weren’t done as often

[@Pants.69]

Ps5 and Xbox series controllers also have drift issues. Not saying the switch wasn’t relatively rushed but it’s not just a Nintendo issue

[@Mike-di1og]

The fact that they never even silently changed the sticks they used in new revisions of the controllers is proof that Nintendo is ARROGANTLY predatory. Why should I buy the Switch 2 if Nintendo’s prevailing message is “our products are cheaply made and sloppily designed and you can either suck it up or f off”? Im going to choose to f off, thanks.

[@Wyattporter]

Between this channel and TopicArlo we are eating so good lately

[@SkyBlueFox1]

Since I play handheld-mode almost exclusively, I've gotten very familiar with the Joycons, and I have to say - while they have been decent enough, the drift is absolutely a real thing, and it's a very real potential hindrance. I remember right around the time the pandemic started, my original gray Joycons began having issues with both sticks drifting upwards. It affected every game differently, but it was most noticeable in New Horizons, where my character would start slooooooowly inching to the north sometimes if I set the Switch down on my desk. It got worse and worse as the months wore on, to the point that even hunting for bugs became an issue (especially tarantulas/scorpions, since you need to time your movement to get close to those!). I ended up buying a set of red/blue Joycons next, and while those worked pretty well, last year the left stick began having leftward drift. Once again, it was small and affected every game differently, but it was very real - I'd pull up the map in Pokemon Violet and the cursor would actively be sneaking away, with the accompanying sound effect and everything. I ended up having to recalibrate the sticks, and while that did seem to "fix" the issue, I'm absolutely expecting it to rear its ugly head again sometime in the future... not to mention the fact that my X button is now having problems of its own. While it's disappointing that the lawsuits didn't pan out, I have a gut feeling that Nintendo basically dragged their feet the whole time specifically to wear out the patience of the people suing them. Much as I love the Switch and its library of games, its sheer success has enabled a lot of the worst corporate habits like this.

[@lasercraft32]

I'm mad that they were able to get away with accidentally selling a faulty product... The SECOND they realized this was happening (which they did, as they seemed to have fixed the issue in newer joy-cons) they should have done recalls. But I guess that would be TOO EXPENSIVE (like a flipping Minecraft anvil). My biggest issue of all is just how despite this massive issue with the controllers, Joy-cons are still more expensive than the actual games themselves. These little plastic controllers with drifting problems costs more than the games that took years of development time, coding, and artistry to make.

[@aurastrike]

I guarantee the price is simply because of two reasons: 1) Nintendo, at least where I live, does not sell JoyCons separately - only in a pair. 2) They know damn well you require them, so the price is jacked up - They may not have intentionally caused the drift issues, but they are not against taking advantage and forcing you to pay out the nose if you get drift. It makes them money.

[@kymo6343]

@@aurastrike You can get a pair for 30-35 as long as you don't care it's not from Nintendo. XD

[@chinacaat1880]

dude one day you should get a small puppet and introduce it as your nephew even have your irl nephew do the voice. not as like an ongoing thing but as a lil bit of lore on this mysterious nephew thats always playing your switch. it could be alot of fun

[@magicsack]

No scrappy doos.

[@sumgamezandstuff]

I second this idea, very creative!

[@chinacaat1880]

@@magicsack scrappy doo was a regular member of the cast. I do NOT want that

[@heath6802]

I think it’d also be fine if the little puppet was mute but stood in for the real nephew’s opinions as a young Nintendo fan. For protection’s sake, his voice may also want to be obscured

[@sumgamezandstuff]

@@heath6802 hey that’s a good idea

[@mattsomething4371]

As a casual gamer it was frustrating to buy so many joy cons. My n64 controller sill works with no drift.

[@DeltathRiylaan]

Why would anyone ever get pair after pair of joycons when you can just repair the drift problem for $5-$10?

[@Eric4bz]

Players: We've got witnesses, precedent, and a paper trail a mile long. Nintendo: Yes, well, I have ten high priced lawyers!

[@SaintBehelit]

I can only imagine that proving planned obsolescence in court would be a nightmare if it was illegal - and it isn't, which is crazy to me

[@DragonNexus]

Nintendo can easily do malicious compliance. "You want proof? Okay, here's the minutes of every Switch related meeting going back to 2015. Here's all the emails with the word "switch" in them". Just bury the other side in paperwork.

[@wesnohathas1993]

That's just it. In the end, nothing Nintendo did was technically illegal. They did release a faulty product and willfully ignored the issue, but at worst all that can do is hurt their brand image. And just like we see with the end of the video, in most cases their customer loyalty is too strong for even that to matter.

[@raptordave]

Get ready for the Switch 2 featuring the Joycon 2: Tokyo Drift.

[@ItApproaches]

To fast to drift.

[@Vanished584]

Looking forward to Crowbcat's video especially

[@bryansmethers8936]

I've had probably 8 joy cons and every single one of them has been repaired/replaced by Nintendo

[@123hattan]

3:08 But they are a big soulless corperation.

[@CaptainJZH]

Tbf I think it being dismissed is less because the involved parties gave up, but more that it's very hard to prove that Nintendo was intentionally making defective products, like that was the conceit of the lawsuits and it's probably more likely that they just *didn't care* enough to fix it, which while that's also bad, it's considered "less bad" legally, and well you can't exactly go "oh well we couldn't prove that they were doing this REALLY shitty thing, but they're still doing this kinda-sorta shitty thing, so our case is still valid?" Since when you sue someone you have to be pretty specific about what you're suing over.

[@GentleIceZ]

I'll say for myself I've never experience joycon drift but I've gone through 5+ PS4 controllers that have all began drifting. So my theory is it isn't anything special about Nintendo, it's just the industry as a whole is using more shoddy materials to save money.

[@AuraSparks]

Same here. The parts in those $75+ controllers are worth no more than a few cents

[@NobodyOnInternet]

Mee to

[@DragonSoulMusic]

Turns out the real Joy was in the Cons we did along the way

[@joshriley2936]

The cons we fell for along the way

[@TheCatherineCC]

@@joshriley2936 And the simps who gaslit us

[@Dermetsu]

Wow, even when you're angry at the company's scummy practices, you bend over to defend them.

[@fyndssdev]

happened to me, i can't afford new joy cons, but i did the small piece of thick paper under the joycon trick and it works wonderfully for nearly a year now.

[@TitanicBarrel]

Oh well, stay tuned for the next Joycon Drift 2.0 folks. See you all on the next Switch release 😉🤙

[@fluffynator6222]

Why'd they do that though? Like it's just negative PR and repair costs

[@GabStLaurent]

@@fluffynator6222 Side 2 opener of Dark Side Of The Moon by Pink Floyd.

[@LegendofKal]

If Iwata was still around, he would absolutely take responsibility and address the issue of drift right when it first came to light. Based on how Nintendo's handled it so far, I can't say the same for Furukawa. I've got an OLED Switch, and only just recently has the white pair of Joycons started drifting, so the issue hasn't completely gone, but whatever Nintendo did seems to be just more of a band-aid solution. The only proper way we can be rid of drift is with Hall Magnet sensors in the sticks instead of whatever Nintendo's using currently.

[@Masaim6]

Since when did you have it?

[@yggdrasilsaltar]

if iwata were around he’d shrug his shoulders because this had nothing to do with nintendo of japan lmao

[@kwagz3314]

@yggdrasilsaltar What do you mean nothing to do with Nintendo of Japan? He was CEO and President of the company.

[@LegendofKal]

@@Masaim6 day one

[@garf752]

Good god Iwata was a nice man and all but he’s not the reincarnation of christ. He saw the development of the switch and knew the cheapness of the joy cons. He would’ve probably just done what Nintendo did already, offer free repairs and end it at that.

[@jackkemp7256]

3:20 Get it? He's fighting a square and he's sponsored by Square Space :D

[@ErickVideoGameGuy]

The Joy-Con drift hasn't been a problem as an user of the OLED Model, I got it in March of 2022 and I haven't had a single issue with it. Let's remember that the Switch had to be released earlier than the average lifespan of a console, since Wii U was a failure, they had to get the Switch as fast as possible, so there were tons of design issues including the drift. I think the Switch OLED solves the many problems of the original Switch. If the Switch 2 has any flaws I'm going to be surprised because they had a lot of time for this console.

[@MrDannyloco]

The reason for the drifting is already confirmed on what causes it. If you open the joycon and place a small paper piece on top of the stick sensor the drifting gets fixed, in fact if you press in hard next to the home button with your finger, the stick will become more resonsive

[@antwainski]

It’s joever

[@Videogamelover58]

Im bidone

[@jedisalsohere]

bidone

[@windy4566]

Joy-wari da 😔

[@Theachivmentsearcher]

Ha!!

[@miami2881]

It’s Joyver

[@nikkimvee4710]

INSANE they won this suit. At least 1/2 of all pairs I saw before 2020 drifted. Not a single pair of mine made before then didn't.

[@samantha953]

4/4 of my joy cons developed drift

[@blueditto]

dismissal does not mean “won”

[@samantha953]

@@blueditto doesn’t a dismissal mean the court found no basis in the case so in a sense Nintendo won?

[@blueditto]

@@samantha953 not necessarily.

[@charliefen]

@@samantha953 from what I understood of the case, it was called for dismissal because it was dragging on for too long and because those hoping to see any money out of it (as it is a class action suit, they don't see money until it is won) are getting fed up with how long it is taking. So they are calling for a dismissal because they want to make money now, not later, basically. At least that is my understanding of the matter anyway. So no, Nintendo didn't really win, more like the other side got fed up with waiting.

[@darthvader473]

"The fight is done. We lost."- Obi Wan Kenobi.

[@BlinkEve]

I don't know if this applies, but a common practice for large businesses is to prolong the case for as long as possible, thus draining the funds of the accusers enough to make them desperate on accepting a settlement; or just dropping the case altogether, cause they can no longer have the financial means to continue the pursuit.

[@PXCharon]

Drift is real, and I fixed it with no recurring issues in less than 20 minutes at zero cost. I can't say the same about the PS4 controller, I've had 3 of them fail beyond repair.

[@TurtleCraftZ1]

Even if Nintendo won the lawsuits regarding these controllers, I imagine they still took the feedback to heart when it came to designing the controllers for the Switch's successor. Even if they refuse to acknowledge the issue, I'd like to hope they've quietly solved it for whatever comes next

[@sahaprocks7751]

They didn’t win

[@isaac_aren]

Nintendo never likes to make a huge PR stunt out of the problems. They just fix them

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

This is one of the few times I have to criticise Nintendo, they should’ve fixed the issues with the joycons.

[@8bitdiedie]

Copium

[@TurtleCraftZ1]

@@sahaprocks7751 They got what they wanted, I'd say they won even if the courts didn't

[@thelastwindwaker7948]

Is it an algorithm thing to interrupt youtube videos with the sponsor segment? I'm so used to Arlo doing that part right at the beginning that I was surprised to see it happen in this one. At least he didn't do the "But do you know what's also related to the video?" with a cheeky smirk.

[@CosmicNebula444]

Yeah, when people see an ad at the beginning/end they tend to just skip it or click off the video, so putting it in the middle makes it less likely for them to skip it if they're just watching in the background or something

[@osu-osu-osu]

You can just use sponsorblock you know

[@thelastwindwaker7948]

@@osu-osu-osu It don't really mind it. I just liked how Arlo makes it very clear when it's happening, and usually does it right at the start. So it was surprising to see him suddenly interrupt the video for it.

[@hfric]

The thing is . Analogue sticks are made from Plastics that over time crumble (from the effects of the environment, and your human oils) . Pads worked around this, by adding DeadZone that auto calibrates itself (Even N64 pad had this !!!)... that Switch controllers F MISS ... you got 1milimeter bent plastic analogue , though luck... YOU GET DRIFT.... Third party controllers FIXED THE F PROBLEM BY ADDING HALL SENSORS and EVEN METAL RODS THEN PLASTIC ONES in analogues... like 8BitDo pads do (or other brands do) ... the thing is , Nintendo build those pads to fit in a set cost , and it shows ...

[@JoseViktor4099]

And still, Joycons cost more than 150% those controllers. One of the most questionable Nintendo has ever made fs.

[@hfric]

@@JoseViktor4099 yeah , that's why they where hammering the Emulation of Yuzu ... when you not only could run all those Switch games on Tablets\Steam Deck\PC in 2k60 fps , but play on Controllers that are BUILD TO LAST ... then have a planned obsolescence, since they miss auto DeadZone correction ... Xbox360 pads also missed it

[@ymax561]

I got the Splatoon switch nearly two years ago, and weirdly also no drift issues? After hundreds of handheld hours no problems.

[@Doopliss666]

Arlo I Just KNOIW youre sitting there waiting for paper mario in this final hour just like me. thanks for your videos

[@dizzy2445]

When they announced the Switch Lite with joycons that DONT COME OFF, i felt like walter white screaming "HANK" when all my friends were buying one

[@doclouis4236]

It's over... Billions must drift😢

[@narpas_sword_30NRG]

About two years(?maybe?) ago I upgraded from a Switch Lite to an OLED. I was worried I'd experience drift like how my siblings did with their base model Switch. Thankfully though, to this day, I have not experienced drift! I can't help but feel though, at the back of my head that drift will sneak up on me overnight and begin to rear its ugly head. Fingers crossed it doesn't!

[@1337GameDev]

The entire idea of "well, they didn't INTRND to make them bad for repeat buyers" is BULLSHIT. Once you're AWARE of a DEFECT in your product, if you ignore/deny that defect, you're COMPLICIT and ACTIVELY intending to avoid fixing it, purely for money, and at that point.... if you planned it vs are ignoring the issue--- it doesn't matter. The end result is the same. You made a product, willful or ignorantly, with a defect, and refuse to fix it, so you can get more sales and avoid cutting into profit by replacing it. They saw the calculations of the potential hit to their brand, vs the cost/profit of repeat customers and went with the money. At THAT point, where they make that decision, they are culpable just like any other giant soulless corporation.

[@cluesagi]

I had several pairs drift. A while back I replaced them all with hall effect sticks, which should in theory never degrade the way the stock joysticks do, and sure enough I've not had any more drifting issues since then. Sucks that that's what it takes to get reliable controllers but it's not that expensive and it futureproofs them so I do recommend it

[@wesnohathas1993]

Yeah, I take that over free repairs or getting another set purely because it's the most assured to be a lasting solution.

[@aisadal2521]

Welp, there goes whatever credibility the Nintendo seal used to have

[@owenmenning3878]

Wouldn't them winning the lawsuits mean the seal is intact?

[@lssjgaming1599]

​@owenmenning3878 the only reason they won is cuz of a scummy "you can't sue us" clause in their EULA so uhhh not really

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@lssjgaming1599 ......You can't use EULA's as a legal argument what the fuck.

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

@@UltimaKeyMaster I doubt that was the reason they won, because as you said that's not how that works.

[@toumabyakuya]

@@lssjgaming1599 That's not how EULA works. If the Joycon's really had a problem as bad as you are saying then the EULA would have been void. That it wasn't shows that, at least in the eyes of the courts, it wasn't such a big deal.

[@Buster256]

Started having stick issues in 2018. I had initially sent one in and got it resolved for a while, but it soon came back. It never got too ridiculous up until last year, so I just kinda lived with it (occasionally recalibrating and stuff in an attempt to mitigate it and avoiding any games that require you to press them). Eventually I couldnt take it anymore and got the stock sticks replaced with some "hall effect" sticks that supposedly dont drift... And from what time I've spent with them, they've held up quite well!

[@Woodland_Adventures]

On the topic of no other controllers having drift... The only controller I've had drift problems with was a Wii U pro controller... but it wasn't even a official product, it's one of those "Afterglow" brand controllers (It still works properly, I just need to take the batteries out every so often to reset the controller lol).

[@alicevioleta3184]

winning a lawsuit with nintendo isn't possible. the one guy who one(Shouzou Kaga) formerly worked at Intelligent Systems and they sued him, and in the end even he lost after nintendo appealed several times(the judge basically gave them a stfu ruling, but still)

[@ReddBoi64]

I’m one of the lucky ones who never experienced drift once the entire time lifetime of the switch, but that is unfortunate for those who did

[@Jaloony]

i’m heartbroken

[@meh78336]

The only people I know of who have not had stick drift issues with the swtich or pretty much any console are ones who either rarely use them or recently bought them. I think its the price of the controllers in the last decade or so that has made it so much more obvious, as back in the day it would be that they would screw up and you would just assume you broke it or wear and tear and go buy another one or your parents would buy you a crappy third party one, and with most handhelds being digital, it was rarely an issue. But with more being internet savvy and the likes of the switch lite especially where new joycons are not an option for even the most tech illiterate of people, it was only a matter of time before even normies would notice stick drift being a thing. You would think the big 3 would go hall effect and be done with it, but I guess its more profitable to eat warranty repairs and sell more controllers.

[@greninjamariokartpokemonfan]

Next thing you know, the next console will have "JoyCon 2: Acceleration, Handling, Drift, Off-Road, and Mini-Turbo". They will all be as bad as those of the Jetsetter from Mario Kart Wii (everything that isn't Speed or Weight).

[@greendeli7874]

At least Nintendo’s biggest scandal at the moment has to do with their hardware and not implementing AI instead of writers or treating their employees like trash.

[@sammalone7881]

selling subpar product is just as bad imo.

[@citizenofhyrule]

frog soup ready

[@SliderGamer55]

I mean that's less that the joycon issue is ok and more that the game industry is setting very low bars.

[@guyfierimtwi]

didnt they have that entire "red badge" contractor nonsense

[@tbnwontpop8857]

And harassing fans over copyright issues that no other company even bothers with because they know how vapid and petty it is.

[@davigamer4569]

At least we won the Thousand Year Door remake war

[@77wolfblade]

With beautiful 30fps.

[@pinkfoxboi1331]

Also wish they'd fix the rail system for joycons connections so they don't have trouble locking in properly

[@samantha953]

I think the issue is when playing handheld they flex a little. I bought a comfort grip that clips onto the system and joy cons and it doesn’t flex anymore. This seems to have prevented mine from developing that locking issue.

[@mykeyboardismelting6856]

oh hey, someone else with that problem! the paint gets chipped off and the right joycon is no longer recognized by the system... even though it can charge fine enough. I hope I can get it repaired for free along with drift in my area

[@Kopiefilms]

I had this problem in the early days of playing Switch too. But after having bought like 3 pairs of joycons. I can say that mine don’t rlly have problems anymore. My OLED and most recent store bought ones are still good as new!

[@Prizzlesticks]

Nothing hutts more than almost beating your best time in Hades with a level 12 Pact of Punishment, only for Zagreus to casually walk himself into lava and die. After you cleared the room.

[@xandan1668]

I've never had joycon drift. However I've had button stick.

[@supersenorhombre]

Wait.... We lost?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@tdotran]

The only pair I had an issue was my launch Joy Cons and that’s it. My OLED and Pro Controller work perfectly fine.

[@Sandity]

Haven't had issues with my oled joycons, i use em a lot with the slides they were packed with since they make them just right fit to hold Seems it was issues with the launch batch & even some of the model after too

[@samantha953]

Both my launch pair and the splatoon 2 colored joy cons developed drift for me. I didn’t try a pro because I like switching between tv and handheld. If the OLED don’t develop drift then that’s hopefully promising for the successor console.

[@Sandity]

@@samantha953 had my oled joycons for a year & half now with about 500 hours total played with them minus about 100 or so from smash ultimate with my gamecube controller

[@Jay-q3o4w]

I repaired more than 20 joycons in last 2 years, and in repair community we know damn well why drift happens. Its because metal sheet of base plait is too thin and bendable. Try to apply pressure on joycon right under where stick is, 95% chance that stick snaps back to centre and works good while you keep this pressure. And so 95% of my repairs was glueing a plastick squere roughly 0.5mm thick inside joycon right where bottom of the stick sits, and it fixes it. In very rare cases I had to replace the stick.

[@Jay-q3o4w]

Also get the metal locks for joycons if they slide out the switch. Using plastic for this was very dumb cost cutting measure.

[@ikorraks]

Full disclosure, I've had my original switch since launch and I've got a pro controller and two sets of joy cons and never had drift. I get what is being discussed here but I feel a big part of this rant is that Nintendo have "got away with it" - I feel like anyone in the gaming community is aware of this problem and it's still talked about regularly, case in point this video. The drift issues seem less of a thing now, but if they ever are a problem you can send off your joy cons free of charge and they will fix or replace them! That's a huge cost to them and they're happy to fix the problem. They're fully owning up to the fact drift happens and advertise a free fix. I don't like to defend any large capitalist brand at the best of times but I'm not sure what else people expect them to do. The fact all cases were dropped is probably a good indicator that in the end, noone believed Nintendo had to answer to this. The controllers for the next Nintendo console won't look the same so I'm sure they won't have the same issues

[@cato3277]

Its Miyamotover