The Kahler Family Massacre

[@sinead187]

No matter how much true crime I watch, I still can't wrap my head around how people can be so cruel & evil.

[@WyattRyeSway]

I agree. It perplexes me

[@titolino73]

I AM STARTING having enough but I was like you ...I need something to believe we are not all already screwed !

[@VickyCooksalot]

It's all about control. As soon as they feel control slipping away it's the only control they have left.

[@anhedonianepiphany5588]

Studying the pertinent elements of psychology, psychiatry, and neurology, should bring you closer to some kind of comprehension.

[@helenawarsinnak]

I totally agree with you.... someone can seem so nice and completely normal but be as EVIL as the DEVIL!! This world is such a scary place anymore!!

[@tylerskiss]

I’ve seen this case elsewhere and they went into detail about the daughter begging the officer not to let her die and how he wanted so badly to promise her everything would be all right, but knowing he was lying to her and hating himself for doing it. It was really heartbreaking.

[@loveforeignaccents]

I think I would rather have lied in that instance as well. He made the right choice in her final moments. Thanks for sharing the info though; did not know that.

[@erikm8372]

True Crime Daily on TV (and KZbin) covered it well too. I think most people who are present at crime scenes, and comforting the injured individuals, will usually say the most positive things they can. Even if the outlook is less than promising… sometimes miracles happen, but no matter what or who you are… I think you’d have to give people positivity on their last breaths, regardless.

[@Adelicows]

Why did he hate himself?? I would much rather die believing that I was just drifting off into a little nap than believe my life is about to end. It has also been proven that people who feel optimistic are much more likely to recover than people who think it's all over. He did the compassionate thing.

[@loveforeignaccents]

@@Adelicows What on planet earth was compassionate about what he did???!?? EDIT: Sorry, just saw the reply on my phone, without the context of the chain.

[@140klana]

She knew she wasn’t gonna make it therefore she asked for that reassurance even though he also had a grasp of the severity of her injury. He had to say that to at least calm her down. What would you say instead , ‘no you’re going to die’?

[@russelldally3193]

How chilling is that to hear Lauren saying "I don't want to die" but sadly did😢😢

[@vincytvholic]

At 10, you're old enough to understand and remember a lot. I'm so sorry for the son

[@ticketyboo2456]

Roxcell John He sounds unfeeling. They need to keep an eye on him as he may follow Daddy's example...

[@paulincia27]

​​@@ticketyboo2456 he is just a child who've lost everyone he loved, from his father's hands what should he feel....?!!! He will carry enough grief for the rest of his life and will blame himself, when is old enough to discover, that his father did it all "for him"....horrific

[@FRLN500]

@@ticketyboo2456 you are an idiot. You sound unfeeling. Should the cops be keeping an eye on you?

[@marinazagrai1623]

@@ticketyboo2456 He might have inherited his dad’s genes but he will never forget his mom dying like that, so he might be ok in the long run.

[@valentina6429]

I hope he will make wise decisions. It is quite a tragedy. Some people lose their mother in a car accident, and all he can do is complain over and over. At least I hope Sean will have a decent, rewarding life, to make his mother proud.

[@jumpscare1530]

I can't imagine what that poor boy had to witness. I hope he's doing well.

[@amiramlan3119]

Better than looking his mom sleep with another women. In the future i believe that boy will understand about his dad dealing with this kind of frustrated

[@tracytrunn5625]

U can bet BIG MONEY HES NOT Trauma like this u NEVER get over

[@lindc1070]

True. Scarred for life

[@kurtmaryville4941]

He didn’t want his dad to die also. And the government basically said, “shut the hell up, no family for you.”

[@nickjones7737]

​@@kurtmaryville4941as if he'd ever want a relationship with that p.o.s after he murdered his family.

[@ashleytinsley3730]

How terribly sad. Little Sean will forever be in my prayers. i couldn't imagine losing everyone you ever loved in front of your eyes.

[@kurtmaryville4941]

I like how the son asked them not to invoke the death-penalty, because he didn’t want to lose his whole family…. and they were like efff you kid! You get no family. We’re doing it!

[@JustEverton]

​@@kurtmaryville4941at least he still have his grandparents and uncles/aunts.

[@mariajosemachadolima8610]

o monstro do pai fez isso na frente dessa criança, e ficam esses advogados do diabo enchendo o saco com essa conversa fiada de doença mental..o covarde psicopata teve coragem pra matar a família, mas não tem coragem pra enfrentar o que fez, fica se escondendo atrás de advogados pra escapar da pena de morte..será que conseguiu? queira Deus que não..tem que ir pros quintos dos infernos..antes que aparece algum idiota pra dizer que ele pode voltar pra sociedade, sempre aparece uma carniça no judiciário pra fazer isso..esse cara da nojo..

[@ScorpioRising13]

@@kurtmaryville4941Not sure why anyone would want a family member around who killed your mom and sisters.

[@Cat-Tiger-Taegi-Cult]

I hope he got a lot of therapy because he could repeat this cycle in the future?

[@StacOch1]

Narcissistic people cannot give up total control of the ppl around them. They are extremely dangerous if this happens. Such a sad story.

[@FRkiddo]

Agreed although I think it is safe to say this is, like almost ever killer, a next level narcissist also known as a psychopath

[@sebastianelytron8450]

Wife should've known better too, and stayed away.

[@JoeyCheex0583]

i tried a poached egg for the 1st time the other day,didn't really know what to make if it

[@hammondOT]

I know we all just learned the word and watch a lot of KZbin videos about it, but we need to stop throwing the word narcissism at everything.

[@FRkiddo]

@@sebastianelytron8450 probably got caught in his net and when she realised the trouble she was in it was way too late. I’ve had a colleague and ‘friend’ who turned out to be a psychopath and I realised it too late as well. Very few people have experience with psychopaths and don’t realise what they are dealing with until it’s too late. Truth being told, I am glad my ‘friend’ died of a heart attack and a lot of people with me who would never admit it.

[@allisonconnor3310]

My heart goes out to Karen's mother. She lost her own mother, her daughter as well as her granddaughters. The fact that she was able to make it to the courtroom everyday is a testament to her strength and character.

[@loveforeignaccents]

Very good point, which I originally oversaw and didn't lend enough credit to.

[@carlyfaith8193]

jesus that’s hard to imagine. 4 generations and only one is left

[@soupremesoup5429]

I really don't know how a human being can handle that much grief and find the strength to even get out a bed after such tragedy. I feel so much pain for her

[@MM2PuppyDog]

I don't know how she manages... I lost my son (not to violence) 11 years ago and it hurts just to mention it now. This woman is incredibly strong.. I can't imagine the pain she went through. I'm sure having Sean live with them helped... My heart goes out to Karens entire family..

[@loveforeignaccents]

@@MM2PuppyDog So sorry for your loss 💛

[@juliecooper3989]

That little girl saying she doesn't want to die is haunting and heartbreaking.

[@brunomoura7719]

Indeed! So sad to imagine her despair at that moment. Stressful!

[@haleaspeer5221]

Yup! I was thinking the same thing.

[@cedricwitherspoon6831]

This case is so heartbreaking for Sean too. I can only SMH and pray for the family.

[@killereverb3928]

She is crying out in pain, agony and with the understanding that indeed she was already in the throes of dying. In that painful plea is her knowing she is far far too young to die and has her entire life ahead of her and she is slipping away. My dear, I have children and grand babies and it utterly devastates me too to hear this young lady pleading to live. It’s haunting beyond all measure. I first heard it years ago. I’ve never forgotten her agonizing voice. It is the saddest sorrowful thing ever - it truly is. I’m sorry that you have to live with hearing and knowing that. So sorry for everyone caught up in it.

[@kaykepop4084]

Do not tell an abuser you're leaving, just do it! And under no circumstance do you go back to their home or meet with them alone! Even if they've never abused you or been violent in any way, a separation and divorce can bring out the worst side in people.

[@buddhamaster322]

Do not listen to this person. This is absolutely the WRONG way to leave a relationship. You are likely to hurt that person a lot or even traumatize them and nobody deserves that. Do it the right way, gently and in person, like someone with integrity, like you would want someone to leave you.

[@aussieglitter2430]

@@buddhamaster322 they said leave your abuser not how to leave a relationship.

[@buddhamaster322]

@@aussieglitter2430 "Even if they've never abused you or been violent in any way, a separation and divorce can bring out the worst side in people." Read that shit twice in case you didn't understand

[@justbystander770]

@@buddhamaster322 wrong even when you announced a divorce then this still would have happened. Leaving to an abuse center and press charges. So in both cases you can’t do any good cause a narcissistic personality disorder will never let you go. They believe they own you. So grow up and watch more crime videos cause you will find out that all murders are an act of rage cause the one committed these murders can’t let go. And yes a divorce would be nice IF THE OTHER PERSON AGREES.but in this case HE DIDNT.. in this case we could hear that the wurst was already going on. Learn to listen before you tell others how to read

[@mm7411]

I took my son and left, had all I needed to prove/show "cruel and inhumane treatment". I left the state, got a lawyer and filed in my new state ( i did set up a second residence there). That was 25 years ago, I didn't argue over $$, Judge ruled my 3 yr old son should spend summers w his "abusive" father. I was floored and my son is now a man. The impact on his life is obvious, but God helped us through this hell. God Bless to those going through an ugly divorce.

[@cadenandthegirl]

Everyone, remember: THE most dangerous time for a person in an abusive relationship is when they’re leaving. Once the abuser loses control, all bets are off. If you’re experiencing abuse/coercive control and you want to leave the relationship, STAY OFF social media. Don’t allow any apps on your phone to track your location. Stay with family members or friends who you trust and try to limit your time alone. Advise the local police that you have an abusive ex who you fear may threaten violence if they find you. It’s a lot, and it can be stressful and scary, but it may mean the difference between staying alive and the alternative.

[@denisebenedict6102]

Better yet, get a burner phone and only give the number to immediate trusted family members!

[@vaughangarrick]

It doesn't help brazenly displaying your affair in public and in front of the man you're trying to leave

[@donk8589]

I'd say the most dangerous part is when they enter a new relationship. The degenerate narcissist can accept the breakup if he's convinced his ex-victim is lonely and miserable. But knowing she's happy with someone else is unbearable to their worlthless egos. It's often at that time they'll try to murder their ex-victims.

[@alexsamsung5579]

Good advice. Thanks for sharing this.

[@loopthetube]

So many things i can think of to do to keep oneself safe but yes stay off social media.

[@gotchaaddicted8962]

This poor 89 year old woman seeing her daughter and granddaughters murdered in front of her and having to deal with it. What a terrible way to live the last decade of her life. She died with that trauma. What a disgusting pig this poor excuse of a "man".

[@KimmySaurusRex44]

You guys do better true crime documentaries than most tv channels. I can see this as a channel 5 special or something.

[@TrulyCriminal]

Thank you so much!

[@KimmySaurusRex44]

@@TrulyCriminal yw. They're just such good quality production, I tend to come here to see if youve covered a case before going to other outlets. It helps that the voiceover person has such a soothing voice, too.

[@eadweard.]

I appreciate that you mean well, but this really isn't saying much: television (especially true crime shows) is unadulterated garbage.

[@KimmySaurusRex44]

@@eadweard. maybe you just have poor taste in shows lol. If you think television is garbage why come to watch what is essentially a TV show. Keep your negativity away from me, 🙏

[@eadweard.]

​​@@KimmySaurusRex44 I watch it precisely because it's _not_ a TV show. We live in a strange world when failing to be enthusiastic about television is deemed "negativity".

[@thisbirdhasflown2554]

The fact that he is smiling in his mug shot shows what an evil monster he is

[@cm1927]

He looks like a straight-up creep in all of the photos.

[@babywah3290]

He got what he wanted. He’d rather destroy all than give in to a “betrayal.” I wouldn’t mind if he faced water boarding for the rest of his days. He deserves it.

[@schrisdellopoulos9244]

Yep, I commented the same.

[@JillC2]

@@ibrahimbaliyawalla2226 And he'll probably go to the death chamber kicking and crying. He's a coward.

[@Greyy66]

What the man did was wrong , but Karen wasn't an angel by any means , she left her marriage and the house she bulid with her husband to go after a relationship with another woman which is another big problem from the start , she is a mother and a wife , not a teenage girl who is being ignored by her parents so she gets into her gross lesbian phase , it disgusts me seeing people are way beyond their "dating" days and go after sexual feelings that aren't just wrong according to every single major religion on earth , but also causes a divide in society between children and their parents

[@gasmith7486]

Anyone who has control issues is DANGEROUS. Get out immediately!

[@Obsidian369]

Her side only? I call bs

[@godamid4889]

​@@Obsidian369anyone isn't he or she, loser.

[@daisy9910]

@@Obsidian369 what justifies murdering 4 people, 2 of those, your own children? I bet you're abusive too.

[@hahahaha147]

He wasn't controlling

[@godamid4889]

@@hahahaha147 huh? What planet are you on?

[@mgal6234]

The narration on these videos is superb…it conveys a mixture of respect and seriousness for the topic. Excellent job!

[@B12GPW]

Yes, love her voice.

[@anhedonianepiphany5588]

When it comes to narration, any more-refined accent of the UK, Ireland, Australia, or New Zealand, is vastly preferable to those harsh American ones. They have greater emotional range and can exhibit more nuance (and aren’t an instant irritant).

[@blindingskies]

​@@anhedonianepiphany5588 opinions, man - *

[@agatahb]

could not agree more

[@Dontincludeme]

@@anhedonianepiphany5588 cannot stand the American TC videos, with the music and dramatic narration. It’s almost disrespectful, like they’re making it into a Hollywood thing

[@yvie9627]

Insanity? 🙄 oh please, this was premeditated. He would have gone home when the neighbours found him. May they rest in peace 🙏🏿

[@gailcaldwell1512]

This may sound odd with this story being one of the most disturbing, but I LOVE this Narrator. I love how you tell these stories.

[@pamelamorgan7354]

I agree. Her voice is calm. The music is low and appropriate.

[@thirza9508]

Family annihilators are the worst of the worst. Gosh what a tragedy.

[@leole5673]

Even when they're betrayed... whats your thoughts on Darth Vader?

[@Gadgetmawombo]

@@leole5673 Betrayed? He was an abusive pos. He betrayed her first.

I guess they left the back door open?

[@xXCharliesMomXx]

I went to high school and was in theatre with Emily. She was the sweetest person. So beautiful, talented, bright and fun... I still to this day can't even come close to wrapping my head around this. 😢

[@AskAlex1999]

❤

[@rubydawn1]

I am sure it was devasting to all her friends

[@Greyy66]

What the man did was wrong , but Karen wasn't an angel by any means , she left her marriage and the house she bulid with her husband to go after a relationship with another woman which is another big problem from the start , she is a mother and a wife , not a teenage girl who is being ignored by her parents so she gets into her gross lesbian phase , it disgusts me seeing people are way beyond their "dating" days and go after sexual feelings that aren't just wrong according to every single major religion on earth , but also causes a divide in society between children and their parents

[@rachaelloutaylor8135]

​@@Greyy66are you for real!

[@janamyers4894]

So sad....God bless you.

[@suzystone244]

Sean is a young man now. The horrific case itself affected him, yet he did show mercy for his father. To not seeking the death penalty, due to the surving grandparents. A strong moral compass displayed in court. All I can say is..... you have real strength. ❤

[@masterofwit339]

I remember the first time I heard the sheriff speaking about Lauren’s last moments. She was begging to live and fighting for her life. He said he had never seen anyone as strong as that beautiful girl. How anyone can murder their own children, let alone their spouse, is just unreal.

[@alyshiakroll15]

This monster doesn't see the women in his life as people, his wife and daughters are nothing but property to him. So when he was no longer able to control them, he decided no one else could have them. It's not an accident that his son was the only one not shot, even if he hadn't ran out the door he wouldn't have been injured, this man hates women and feels the need to own and control them

[@johnlove6194]

I am not surprised the daughters were killed. Once a teenager lives with her Mom, she becomes Mom's puppet. And given the situation you lost your job and you properties during the divorce, it is possible for you to 'snap' when you are ordered to pay child support to your ex and her partner who will later manipulate your daughters to think ill of you. On the other hand, his anger might be lessen and the crime might be prevented, when he is castrated at the time he shows signs of controlling behavior.

[@gtt8428]

​@@alyshiakroll15 did he have an affair sweetheart ? 5:57 wheres his public moments like this ? I know you are woke but you need to hold you own kind accountable once in a while

[@muzzledwon1845]

According to court report the son was mature for his ag The daughters played musical instruments, they saying they danced they were even in a band. Sounds like the family was doing pretty good until the mother decided she wanted to be with other women. It's only that you hear about how abusive he was When you understand that a child is 16 times more likely to be delinquent with a single mom versus a single dad maybe you'll understand

[@muzzledwon1845]

This was definitely a one-sided story. I'm certain the wife and mother of this maniac was having online affairs while he was out building a beautiful family with his high-paying job that gave stability to his children Reading the comments in here it's easy to understand how easy it is to make it will be late the masses into believing what you want them to believe I like you agree that this man was a maniac but it didn't happen overnight and was completely avoidable

[@north_star_yt]

This one truly broke my heart and I cried. Shawn’s strength is apparent but I hope he knows it’s ok to breakdown sometimes and not be strong. He’s been thru more than most at such a young age. I hope he is at least getting therapy or even psychotherapy to process the trauma. 😢

[@tylerskiss]

The courage required to try and sneak back into a house where you are likely to be shot just to call for help… that was a very heroic effort.

[@loveforeignaccents]

@@tylerskiss Indeed!!!

[@erikm8372]

I don’t want to seem invasive, but would love an update on some of these stories and their survivors, like Sean. Would just like to know if they’re ok, are they in touch with anyone else involved, etc.

[@slicedbread5692]

God no... Not therapy. There are few scams in the world as big as therapy... Maybe insurance and chiropractors are up there.

[@The3xblessed]

​@@erikm8372 who else was involved? He was the only one that survived. They said at the end he what he's doing with his life. What more do you want? He went to live with his grandparents He graduated went to school and is now working in Kansas.

[@InterstellarWarrior7]

A truly sad and tragic story. So senseless. The narration was well written. This channel does a great job of documenting these cases.

[@sandramolina1177]

La madre traiciono creo q busco j a excusa del tipo xq era lesviana como no salio antes del closet y no involucrar a sus hijos en algo tan horrible q es el adulterio ya q el hombre era loco yo creo q ella fue la q termino con sus hijos x apoyar a su madre el se sintio traicionado pobre chico

[@awal4896]

The fact that Shawn had the empathy to consider his grandparents' feelings of losing their son, shows he is so much more of a human than his 'father.' I put father in quotes because he doesn't deserve that title.

[@terriegilley6574]

I think part of that was still his father. He said he was glad Sean wasn't being raised by those freaks. That means his paternal grandparents got custody. I can't imagine what that child might have been told about his mother from those people. Everything about this story is horrible.

[@danyoutube7491]

@@terriegilley6574 I don't think there's any reason to think that Kraig's parents had the same warped viewpoint that he had developed.

[@AslamJais79]

Losing your mum, your daughter and your grandchildren all at once! How horrible it must be 😭 to Karen's mother, my heart goes out to you.

[@4everoldskool626]

Yes understandably true to an agree! Because NOTHING IS NEARLY AS CLOSE TO WHAT A 10 YR OLD CHILD MUST GO THROUGH ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT ONLY DID HE WITNESSED IT ALL BY HIMSELF, BUT HE HAD TO RELIVE IT ALL OVER AS THE ONLY ONE TO TAKE THE STAND AS A 12 YR OLD AGAINST YOUR OWN FATHER! So the son also lost his mother, sisters, great grandmother and his father. At least Karen's mother didn't witness this horrific massacre! My heart goes out to Sean and Karen's moms job is to be there for her grandson 🙏

[@steffyredd8146]

​@@4everoldskool626well said. Heart wrenching 😢

[@jennyambler8593]

I am always concerned about the family left behind. Especially the children. Thank you for telling everything.

[@suzimonkey345]

💯 I’m so glad that the judge made him stay in court for the impact statements! It makes me so angry when they’re allowed to be cowards & hide in their cell!

[@thewhatnow]

Can I just say how much I LOVE your channel? Not just the research, the material, the visuals... but your voice! There are a lot of podcasters/true crime channels I can't listen to/watch because the person's voice either annoys me or sounds weird. Yours is the opposite - beautiful, soothing, and just perfect! Thank you so much! 👏👏👏👏

[@dannyhernandez2203]

Very true. I imagine the narrator looks like Adele and she's telling me a story. Not that it matters how she looks just a little thing I have in my head. Very soothing voice.

[@susanwilliams4953]

The monster is not insane, rather a cold-blooded family murder. Shawn I wish you healing, may your family rest in peace.

[@FrazerSmithsChannel]

I watch so many 'real crime' youtube videos that I'm probably on some list, but I think your channel is fast becoming the best of them. Great content, keep it up!

[@yourmom6833]

Oh if there is a list, I’m right there on it with ya! 😂😂

[@dariadavies256]

Me too 😂

[@Delisalyfe]

Shhhhhh! I know I'm on the list too...

[@misska7535]

I'm definitely on there. All I watch is TC & comedy. I don't have 1 friend 🤷‍♀️ They either moved or are on "something." This channel is absolutely awesome. I always say it in every comment m😊❤

[@leaheames8995]

🤚

[@aaronsnowden6311]

I will never understand why some people can not just move on after a relationship. And how can you murder your own children? So sad.

[@claudiaargueta3767]

That is the whole point. You will never understand and I won't either- bc we are not sick mentally

[@jamesp9226]

You won’t understand if you don’t listen and try to understand. Did you watch the video? We’re you paying attention? This has nothing to do with him “not moving on”.

[@trawlins396]

​@@jamesp9226 exactly. It was a lot more than that.

[@trawlins396]

If you want your spouse to "move on" you don't antagonize them by showing off your affair right under their nose. While still married!! And the fact that the girlfriend was writing him letters telling him to stay away. Wow. They were all playing with fire. So arrogant. All of them.

[@Harbinger343]

And he had to continue supporting them financially. While being so poor that he lived with his parents. I wonder if “sunny” feels any guilt in this?

[@ANDREA-kk2gx]

Hearing the cries on that 911 call is heartbreaking..

[@LoriKopf]

What a pitiful little man. He felt slighted by his wife "daring" to reject his control over her. And then he wrote his daughters off for being happy for their mother. 🗑️ human.

[@TheLochs]

Totally agree. People like him dont deserve to live.

[@selcukcilek555]

May be you are right. Nevertheless she accepted to move with her controlling and abusive husband into their new beautiful house and continued to cheat on him with her new girlfriend. In all this crime series I take all personality descriptions of victims and killers in the videos with a grain of salt. I wonder WHO confirmed the fact that HE wanted daily 8 PM sex and that he was ok with her new girl friend and wanted a threesome?

[@Optics2024]

I think he felt more “slighted” by his wife sleeping with someone else

[@MoonageDaydream.]

@@Optics2024 Well that’s his own fault. Maybe if he hadn’t abused her constantly and raped her every single night she wouldn’t have gravitated towards someone else.

[@andrebeaupre7945]

@@Optics2024 not you defending him

[@Dakestheman]

Gotta love refreshing KZbin at just the right time to catch your favorite channel dropping a new video

[@Evanescence67]

Dude had it all- a steady, well-paying career, big beautiful home, an equally smart and successful wife, gifted and talented kiddos. All he had to do was get out of his own way.

[@shahara3053]

His wife was cheating on him and using his money.

[@sarakt9272]

@@shahara3053people get cheated on all the time. That’s why divorce is an option. but no he chose to take not only her life, but others in the house who weren’t even involved in the affair if that’s really what he did it all over

[@cnvdh3514]

His wife was cheating, how is that having "it all"? She was just also a narcissist

[@doriantaylor5243]

You mean the affair he was fine with until he couldn't be a part of it? He was controlling for many years before the affair.

[@Psyopcyclops]

@@doriantaylor5243Sounded more like he was being cheated on so he attempted to appease her by offering to accept that they open the marriage for him too. She refused and instead rubbed it in his face and tried to take his kids and his house. The only claims of him being abusive are her statements that she fears him, which is not a reason to have an affair. If she has have just gotten divorced without emasculating him and trying to take everything he worked for, she wouldn’t have ended up the way she did. She didn’t deserve it, but she certainly maximised her chances of it happening, and paid the price

[@kimberlysimmons9938]

Love this channel! Thank you for such good coverage on these unfortunate events. Heartfelt sorrow for the victims and their families!

[@LD__2416]

Being aware of Narcissistic Personality Disorder is VERY IMPORTANT life information to know. It can save your life. Im glad stories like these are being told now so people can be aware of these malignant narcissists and know the red flags to either avoid a relationship or get out of one SAFELY. The exit strategy is just as important.

[@fluffypink6unny]

And followed by a strict “no contact” dynamic to ensure the narcissist never is able to manipulate again. The victim(s) often want the contact bcz they have been conditioned by the manipulation. I’ve been there. After 7 years no contact I still occasionally watch narcissist information videos & they remind me of the insanity bcz normal people want to understand it & the behavior is completely illogical & irrational. No contact saves lives.

[@AlbionRising]

Exactly. People want to believe this kind of pathology is curable. It isn't. Psychopaths won't change. Never. They are not human, they are predators. If you encounter one: run, this is not a person. Look how they always smile in the end. They can enjoy offing their own children. No insanity. They just have a different wired brain and they don't feel anything for anyone ever.

[@Optics2024]

Don’t cheat as well

[@Nostalgic_1]

Agreed. This case always makes me wonder what would have happened if Karen were to have moved out early on when red flags started appearing years earlier and severed the relationship quickly and concisely. Would he have been more mentally capable of dealing with it had Sunny not been a factor? We'll never know... Lots of other 'what ifs' cross my mind with this case. I'm definitely not victim blaming because there is absolutely NO excuse for what he did but human nature is wondering about what if........

[@johnlove6194]

@@Optics2024 Imho, divorce and anger issues would probably diffuse immediately, if Sunny readily agree to a threesome.

[@gilllittler1502]

You’re narration is excellent, really appropriate and sensitive, must be difficult considering the terrible tragedy of these crimes x

[@Violet-mw9ri]

I didn't like hearing the phone calls of them dying. That's so traumatising for any sane person. I don't know why the channel chooses to do that.

[@hassan9311]

THE WAY YOU NARRATE THE STORIES IS MIND BLOWING, YOUR VOICE IS VERY CALMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH................

[@skateata1]

The poor son. I'm surprised he made it through high school. Puberty in a normal life is hard enough, but with a for sure vase of PTSD, I can't imagine....

[@thaiscamargo5468]

One of the most horrific true crime I've ever heard. Insane. Cruel. Heartbreaking.

[@sureiamboo]

Something to learn here for ladies. Never date with marriage, never tell your abuser you are leaving. Stay as low key as possible until you find a secret hide! Very sad case 💔

[@rosaliealaina]

That’s what my mom did

[@arock7462]

No . I'm so weary of the warnings and lessons for the ladies.. how about men don't grow up to be narcissistic homicidal femicidal arses!!!!

[@j3suisd3]

Yes ... it worked for me ... never cheated ever but constant control & worse ... escape needs to be secret for safety 😶

[@MartyMcflyLT-tf9dn]

How bout also don't cheat

[@CandiceVidito]

The husband is a sad sorry excuse of a man/ human. I hope he rots in hell for what he did. Also the insanity defense is total BS.

[@stevie-ray2020]

Agree! Definitely can't claim it wasn't premeditated when perpetrator turns up on the door-step armed!

[@gtt8428]

5:53 how do you justify this outside "she's a woman I'm not allowed to criticize her"

[@muzzledwon1845]

Do you think mommy has only one lesbian affair? What was mommy doing while daddy was working and building a beautiful family? I find it kind of ironic that we only heard about how abusive he was after she started her illegitimate affair while being married

[@Handle947]

​@@muzzledwon1845 we're defending killers now? whta an absolute psycho lmao

[@kaeb4008]

@@muzzledwon1845 that gives him the right to kill her and their kids ? I was lookin for the people who’s defending him or wanting to kno more about what the wife did. Nobody deserves to die because they aren’t happy in a relationship. After she filled for divorce and moved out, he should’ve left it alone go find someone else same way she did.

[@karenthaler7741]

He is a monster. He could care less about anything or anyone but himself.

[@Necronomicon88383]

she’s the monster! cheated then took his house and. his kids! she caused ALL OF THIS she’s the MONSTER

[@ΚυριακήΜίχα-ρ1υ]

That girl screaming I DON'T WANT TO DIE, is one of the worst thing I've ever heard...😢

[@always_b_natural703]

Look how happy he looks in that booking photo. He's pleased he's done what he's done.

[@monicalavallais.5347]

I can’t imagine how could you do that to your own kids????? 😢

[@jwalker9803]

Your videos are simply the most eloquent and best delivered despite the disturbing content which is always hard to deliver. Thank you for your time & effort!

[@joanbrennan2534]

Poor little Sean...running to get help his mom, sisters and grandmum.

[@aliviahenderson338]

The killer is so selfish. He was a terrible father, terrible husband, and a terrible son. These men need to get a grip. Watch Out! These men are dangerous!! I would not risk dating or marrying anyone. So sad for his wife. When she met him she met the worse thing in her life. Be careful who you marry.

[@GengoSenmon]

And yet for years plenty of people exactly like you praised him as being a great father, husband, and member of the community.

[@johnsmith7676]

Not to excuse his behavior, but his wife was a liar, and a cheater. Just to push his buttons. Plenty of blame to go around in this one. EVERYONE has a breaking point.

[@Obsidian369]

Look what she did to him! You know what that does to a person? All the lying and manipulative bs that must have went on from her and her lover

[@godamid4889]

​@@johnsmith7676but that's exactly what you are doing. Making excuses. She could have shat in his coffee and it wouldn't justify his actions.

[@godamid4889]

​@@Obsidian369stop being such a pathetic weasel.

[@lovelyshirl]

Family annihilation is unfathomable, just heinous and evil. A beautiful family wiped out by a murderous, psychopathic monster. Sooooo heartbreaking. 😭😭😭

[@Audrey-s5t]

My best friends sister was murdered when she left her husband - I can't get my head around these cowards killing women and children.

[@Aliciapaige777]

I have just recently come across your podcast and it has quickly became one of my favourites and I recommend it to everyone. Please continue to make more I’m a super fan💛💛💛

[@lindseyhudson1274]

Oh my god, this is horrible. How could someone do this to their own children. I would die for my child. There is no amount of hate for my spouse (my son's father) that would make me "snap" and hurt my child. Poor Sean, I imagine my little boy going through this and it makes me heartsick and nauseated.

[@debbieverret4033]

That's because you are not narcissistic and you are a loving parent. Narcissism is a mental illness that no medication can control. He thought he was above all including god and the law. This poor family dealt with a lot, very sad.

[@tony9305]

This is the only channel that I look forward to every Saturday!!

[@sitdownbehumble8675]

I could be wrong but I think I saw wedding photos online of Sean getting married to a woman named Keri in Kansas just last year. He looks healthy and happy. Can't imagine the strength it takes to go through something like this, I wish him nothing but love, joy, and peace.

[@azazello1784]

Getting married instead of grieving his family is selfish and disgusting.

[@hallmarkdestiel2937]

@@azazello1784???????

[@arock7462]

​@@azazello1784how long would you like him to grieve? Smh. Life is for the LIVING.

[@angelapryor5240]

​@azazello1784 that is about the stupidest thing I've heard

@@azazello1784 You can still grieve after you are married!

[@FloridaIsFull]

Shawn survived & yet he’s the one my heart breaks the most for. 😢

[@mistybollinger3312]

We had a case kind of like this in my town back years ago. The lady had finally gotten tired of the abuse and decided to leave her husband. While she and her mother and brother and her two.children were at her house packing their stuff to leave the husband showed up and shot her and her mother and brother in front of the children. It was such a heartbreaking situation all the way around. The man actually wound up dying in prison from cancer last year.

[@joannbowden6220]

The one time I'm glad cancer exists!

[@Southernbellejwhite]

Would you care to tell who the man was that you’re speaking about? If not, I completely understand. I was just curious & wanted to learn about it. Thank you. I appreciate it.

[@BethFrecks]

“Why doesn’t she just leave” this is why. The most dangerous time for someone being abused is actually when they leave/try to leave. They’re more likely to be seriously injured or killed. This is heartbreaking 💔

[@kekesb]

she was cheating before any of this happen, she could have left, divorce before she slept with that old lady but she stay and threw the affair in his face. She move all the way out of town with him while continue the affair miles away

[@sarakt9272]

@@kekesbthat still doesn’t excuse him murdering her. What’s your reasoning for him trying to kill everyone else in the house too?

[@marquitashiver6141]

​@@kekesb Didn't he find out she was planning to divorce him?

[@samariathornton9110]

@@sarakt9272 not only that, he was the one who sent that other woman flowers and asked for a threesome 🙄

[@lucyverse4908]

@@kekesb Lmao, he was perfectly happy with the affair until he realised he wasn’t going to get his fantasy of a threesome. He was a controlling abuser and his wife was too scared to leave him because she knew he’d kill her if she tried. She was proven right.

[@dreamofmermaids]

Truly horrific! He sounded like a ticking time bomb. Rest in peace to the family members and may Sean find peace and happiness.

[@CFAshow5359]

It’s so crazy to me how Kraig Kahler turned out so sick in the head considering how concerned his father and brother were in the weeks before this tragic incident where they drove out to pick him up so he could be supported while living with them. I guess some people are just born with these severe deficits in empathy.

[@fredh999harris8]

Humans are not born with EMPATHY. EMPATHY is a value that must be learned by the thinking one has done, or, failed to do.

[@prima-luce]

Yeah, it’s odd. Any comments by his mother?

[@CFAshow5359]

@@prima-luce When asked to describe her son she said he was always organized and always followed the rules which I think is a strange thing to say when asked to describe the nature of your child. You’d think they’d say he was affectionate or loved animals or was funny but rule follower? Sounds more like describing an employee.

[@melfarm9109]

​@@fredh999harris8 of course humans are born with empathy! Some humans are born without it. You have it backwards.

[@fredh999harris8]

@@melfarm9109 Melissa: "...humans are born with..." & "...some humans are born without..." Which is it??? You argued with me then argued with yourself! Then lost both arguments! Humans are NOT born with or without empathy; nor are they born with any other emotions or "instincts". Empathy is an emotion based on a series of valuations regarding ones relationship to others as well as to oneself. Such valuations are the result of thinking about them or failing to think about them - they don't just suddenly appear like magic out of thin air.

[@barrybrindle6959]

Clearly narrated and nicely paced. A good video dealing with a terrible crime.

[@KackieJennedy]

The guy behaved sick from the get-go. This is a horrible story. May the victims rest in peace.😢

[@Optics2024]

Genuine question. But would you also condemn the fact she was sleeping with someone else?

[@loveforeignaccents]

@@Optics2024 Cheating is never right, but that doesn't mean that the person deserves to be killed, along with three other innocent others.

[@alina0405]

@@Optics2024is that seriously your concern after watching this video?

[@alina0405]

@@Optics2024 Genuine question, do you condemn the raping, manipulation, physical and mental abuse that happened before the “cheating”?

[@Optics2024]

@@alina0405 well yeah obviously I’d condemn that just as I would cheating. But if you’re in that kind of situation concentrate on getting out of it before jumping into bed with someone else. That’s clearly not going to help.

[@peshadowbird7320]

You told this case so well, your empathy and respect is palpable - and it made me cry. Another story about a cruel, controlling narciccist- erasing his family/ wife from this planet. All of them could/would have a positive impact to our society, but this little, meaningless and anxious waste of space had decided to not let them. Hearing of all this cases of femizide all around the world makes me think of the plague. It really feels like a global pandemic and it saddens and frustrates me to no end. But how can we, as a society learn to cope or - much better stop these type of crime? I think, at first we have to give the police much better "tools" to work with. So many of this crimes could be prevented if (that may sound naive) if there were some sort of "checklist", an evaluation with psychiatrists, (forensic) psychologists and special trained police personell - bc there HAS to be a pattern! This did NOT happen out of the blue, ther ARE signs way before and all they can do is writing restraining orders? No, seriously - this has to change! I'm sorry - english is clearly not my first language, but i hope y'all got it right what i wanted to express...

[@Uno.Numero]

I must congratulate your team. the way you all piece together and roll the every story is commendable. There're other channels on youtube that similar but your team does it immaculately. The pace you all set and the story focus is blended to perfection. The subject is sad by form and nature and my condolences to all victims in discussions of all your episodes. Sending your team well wishes.

[@ur786.1]

I agree. I find the narrative voice very easy to understand, whereas many other channels I struggle sometimes to follow what they are saying or find my mind wandering (adhd and slow processing issues!)

[@brianalaundrie6192]

Another excellent production! Cheers 🍻

[@alisondavies8499]

You do a fantastic job doing these documentaries thank you

[@m-o-l]

Big love to son Sean and grandma Karen's Mum on their awful heart-breaking losses . Glad to see the courts rejecting mental health excuses for monstrous actions .

[@призрак999]

My first time seeing your stuff. Really love your style. Right to the point and we’ll worded. No host or narrator or silly jokes along the way. I find the ability to speak well with few words and yet give so much more info is something all the other popular true crime programs lack. Cheers.

[@777colin1]

Truly Criminal, thank you. I already knew this story, but you have a unique way of delivering the information and content. I love your narrative. A totally evil man. RIP Karen, Emily, Lauren and Dorothy. May the angels give you wings to fly

[@EssenceEtienne]

Poor Sean she is so brave trying to get to a phone. I hope he’s doing the best he can at this point

[@forhisglory700]

You could see red flags everywhere that this wasn't going to end well. Hopefully for Sean, he'll get the necessary support to get through this nightmarish situation; that most likely will be life long.

[@Greyy66]

What the man did was wrong , but Karen wasn't an angel by any means , she left her marriage and the house she bulid with her husband to go after a relationship with another woman which is another big problem from the start , she is a mother and a wife , not a teenage girl who is being ignored by her parents so she gets into her gross lesbian phase , it disgusts me seeing people are way beyond their "dating" days and go after sexual feelings that aren't just wrong according to every single major religion on earth , but also causes a divide in society between children and their parents

[@AmadeusBrown]

@@Greyy66Your homophobia and religious bullshit aside she was unhappy in her marriage and the guy was a controlling narcissist. She did something about it and the only thing she did wrong was still seeing the dude and not moving as far away from him as she could.

[@rainie7011]

@@Greyy66Why is dating the same sex wrong? Really think about it. You've been taught by other humans this-not any God. In the 80s-90s in Britain many of us were raised to see it as a bit weird or embarrassing but we've evolved since then and realise that was just repeat messages taught culturally that were actally rubbish. Stay off the dark computer games too. It's not healthy for your mind.

[@alina0405]

⁠​⁠@@Greyy66and murder your whole family doesn’t cause divide between parents and children? Get your priorities straight if your more disgusted by LOVE then a man who is a narcissistic sociopath who raped,manipulated and physically abused a woman and also slaughtered his whole family except for his poor son that has to live with trauma for the rest of his life.

[@oliviaredito3437]

​@@AmadeusBrown in your eyes* that's all she did wrong, but your eyes mean nothing as they have zero direction, she did plenty of wrong and that was a hand in her and her families demise.

[@pamorama]

So sad and tragic. What a vile man. My heart goes out to this family.

[@No1forWebsiteDesign]

Such a great channel, you explain everything so well and are so respectful to the families etc.❤

[@pleiades.puppets]

Thanks again for another video where you handled the subject matter with so much sensitivity and empathy. Thanks also for discussing domestic violence. The experts are right: the most dangerous time for a spouse or partner is when they actually leave. Sad story all around. May they all RIP.

[@puddysue]

And when they take his picture... he's smiling. What a POS.

[@loveforeignaccents]

SISTERS: Congratulations on your well-deserved 500,000 subscribers!!!! And plenty more to come!! Hope you are celebrating this huge milestone!!!! 💪🏆🎉🎈🎈🥳🥳💃💃

[@jordanfromtheecity]

I wait for your uploads. Thanks for all your hard work.😊

[@fluffypink6unny]

No soul… hollow.

[@jordanfromtheecity]

Who is that comment meant for ?If it's meant for me, why do you say that ?

[@27gts]

omg!!! never heard of this case before! like the officer who investigated the crime scene- I don't know how anybody can do something like this- especially to your own family and children- the whole image of the one daughter trying to hide for her life and being shot to death behind the couch just shakes me to my core- I don't even know these people and I am honestly close to tears! I hope the surviving son has a good peaceful life

[@lespaulguitarist92]

The guy is living happily in death row. He would rather see his wife and daughter dead than seeing them being happy while he lives in misery, feeling betrayed, cheated on, and suffering from child support. He only spared his son's life because he probably didn't fully support his mom and somewhat took the side of his father.

[@danyoutube7491]

@@lespaulguitarist92 I don't think an observer like us can judge whether the son supported one or the other, he was just a young boy who no doubt loved both his parents, was unhappy that they were separating and that Dad was so angry and aggressive towards his mother, and just did as he was told. The girls were older and more able to understand the situation, make their own decisions and say what they thought, and that probably cemented them as targets in Kraig's warped mind. Perhaps it was partly to do with gender, or maybe had the boy been older as well and more aware of the nature of the situation then he too would have been killed.

[@chrisfairbarn9908]

​@Joe-qm4yv right, not that he's a controlling psycho.

[@sydney_rave]

What a monster. Thanks for the upload.

[@jennaforney3919]

I knew as soon as you said Shawn was accepting of sunny... I knew you were going to say Shawn saw it as a invitation to a threesome and encouraged that relationship til he figured out that neither women wanted anything to do with him which is absolutely no shocker.. I do feel so bad for their son losing his whole family due to his father act of jealousy and ego..

[@debraduhon958]

You have the names mixed up. Shawn is the son, Kraig is the father/husband

[@cynthiahusband106]

How horrible for the son, hope someday he can learn how to live with this horrible , unspeakable tragedy the girls were beautiful as the mother was as well--all of it horrible , I have no words ….. RIP to all who perished.

[@Monk-eee]

Shawn's the kid ...... Kraig's the father, who couldn't satisfy a woman

[@agxec2932]

I wonder what you have said if Karen had done the same thing to Kraig if he had done the affair and taken away the kids.

[@faefee]

@@agxec2932probably the same thing but replace “he/him” with “she/her”?

[@madstayy]

i will never be able to understand how a parent can kill thier child.

[@GregMacDougall-m3n]

I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW A ''MOTHER'' CAN EXPOSE HER ADOLECENT SON TO A LEZBIAN PERVERT AND STEAL HER EXHUSBANDS LIFE SAVINGS AND HIS CHILDHOOD COIN COLECTION, CAUSING HIM TO BECOME HOMELESS-LIVING IN HIS PARENTS HOUSE AND HALUCINATING DUE TO PRESCRIPTION PILLS THAT WARPED HIS BRAIN. OBVIOUSLY, HE SHOLD HAVE MARRIED A WOMAN OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

[@AlanMay64]

I think he snapped, anything can happened when nothing is more dangerous than a cornered wild beast.

[@NahNah1480]

I've been checking since 12 for your new video! What a sad case. RIP to the victims!😔

[@bluesioux9538]

Always crazy how the ppl who calmly take away others' lives then fight tooth & nail to keep theirs when a death sentence is possible. Now they want to use whatever legal resources are available to help them but never made the effort to avail those same resources to help deal with the "problems" they were facing & avoid a horrific resolution (in their mind).

[@MrBudgiejoe]

From the very first picture of Kraig in this video I could clearly see the madness in his bulging eyes. I knew immediately and identified him as being the wrongdoer of what was to come. In every photo, he stands out with that crazed look in his eyes. Rip to his four innocent victims.

[@queenicedcoffee4217]

Exactly

[@carolcartwright5871]

I just love this Chanel! Your stories are brilliant + really keep alive all these innocent people. You have such a loving tone of sympathy + passion for every story you tell! Many thanks for such interesting information you share with us all!! Fabulous work 👏

[@jessbelle2732]

I could listen to your voice all day. Thanks for what you do🥰🥰

[@alteredcatscyprus]

Young women need to be completely educated about what men who lose their minds are capable of. They revert to being animals. Real life is not TV. You cheat on a man who has lost his mind and you are risking your life. It doesn’t matter if you think it shouldn’t be that way, it is that way. If you are going to leave a man like this you must be stealthy, plan, put in place a support system, and humor him until you can get out.

[@annebalderston2520]

People don’t “revert” to being animals. Animals don’t do these evil things, people do.

[@SlimSlashie]

If I read your comment correctly, is seems as if you believe men and women are different? They're not, they're equal in every way, sheesh haven't you been paying attention to the political BS flying around the last 70 something years?! I agree with you totally. I'm a firearms professional, and I teach women how to shoot for free, because truly a firearm is the only way a woman will ever be equal to a man. Ladies, buy a gun. LEARN TO USE IT. Carry it everywhere. Now you're equal.

[@articlered2334]

@@annebalderston2520no animals just eat each other …..

[@stephanierichards6190]

This story is absolutely heartbreaking love from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@jokesonyou1373]

Really well presented vid. What an awful tragic incident. My heart goes out to that poor boy.

[@fwef7445]

get tired of narcissists and psychopaths playing the mental health card every time they do something like this

[@loudunne4404]

You are, by far my most favourite narrator of all. 💯❤️

[@charlesburroughs9770]

Someone help me understand why you would choose to murder someone instead of divorcing them??? I've been married and divorced, paid child support for 15 years, paid for my child to go to college, it wasn't easy, but I'm here still here living and loving life!!! It took quite a few years, but I actually have a friendly and healthy relationship with the mother of my child!!!

[@lr6477]

Whyd she choose to have an open gay affair in front of everyone? Rather than divorce and leave? Not cool either. Obviously murder isn't right.

[@imaginarylivingbody7154]

@@lr6477 Why does it matter if the affair was gay or not…?

[@ashleighsparkle8810]

Same for me. Divorced, split custody, remarried, quite happy living life. It’s because there isn’t something deficient with us.

[@trawlins396]

Stop pretending to be clueless. Maybe stop virtue signaling. It's not about what YOU did. This situation was a mess.

[@trawlins396]

​@@imaginarylivingbody7154 it matters.

[@weneedsaving515]

My mom and dad both were violently stabbed to death Aug 16 1976 I'm now 58 and have always been fascinated by murders, probably because of what happened to me. Watching these murder case episodes are very addictive. I feel for those effected

[@katerinagiannioudi401]

I'm so sorry for you

[@weneedsaving515]

@@katerinagiannioudi401 thank you. You just learn to live through it.

[@andreakuipers6406]

I love this channel . You do a amazing job.

[@Burntfacedrumming]

One of the best channels on KZbin. Keep it up.

[@andrewl1024]

All because he didn't get a three-way. What a little, cowardly, selfish, and messed up dude.

[@EverythingsOrange]

What a hateful disgusting man. I never understand the absolute hate these men have for women! They honestly view them as property. I feel these deaths could've absolutely been prevented. Everyone could see how he was acting and how it was getting worse and worse.

[@CJMGalaxy]

OCD isn't a personality disorder, it's an anxiety disorder.