The Karate Kid Ruined Martial Arts w/

Rob from ‪@McDojoLife‬ and I discuss how much damage did the classic movie The Karate Kid do to the martial arts industry.
The answer? Probably a lot!
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[@elijasuiters9932]

The show is already strange, because it's a soap opera about washed up middle aged men inciting karate related gang violence among highschool students.

[@cringeyidiotterry]

what

[@bw5020]

It's fiction

[@jameslough6329]

Except the middle aged men are not exactly washed up since they can somehow easily beat multiple young armed attackers without so much as a scratch on them lol

[@nicolaslaquier]

He got drunk on his anniversary guys. Calling him an alcoholic is a bit much

[@Therealyoda34]

This is all I thought, while thinking about his dead wife, on their anniversary, he got drunk.. I'm fairly sure that's the most acceptable time to get drunk...

[@sirpibble]

They're trying to be edgy and contrarian What's wrong with being a maintenance man? He obviously makes enough money to own a house and buy several classic cars

[@dovahbear0]

@@sirpibble personally I think he got those cars after his friends died... I mean he was a decorated war hero from the 442nd RCT

[@enekaitzteixeira7010]

Yup. I don't even like the films, but this critiques are stupid.

[@McDojoLife]

Had a blast on this chat man. Thanks for having me on

[@MrCmon113]

Eddie Bravo is the prime example of how being a great martial artist and even a great instructor doesn't mean you know anything else.

[@bw5020]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 I'm glad you said it.

[@na-ky8ou]

An alarming lot of fighters are really dumb.

[@bw5020]

@@na-ky8ou I've noticed this too

[@ianworzala6508]

Didn't Eddie Bravo beat Royler Gracie at the ADCC 2003?

[@TophatlarryOG]

I was trained by a "crazy homeless creep by the park". But master Pierogy was generous, genuine, and gentle. Very in touch.

[@shakunimama3593]

That's rough buddy

[@TophatlarryOG]

@@shakunimama3593 :(

[@RamseyDewey]

The speculation about how dark Cobra Kai could have been and how nobody would have watched it reminded me of the film “Fighting Tommy Riley” Where the titular character’s coach is a closeted gay man who unsuccessfully tries to seduce the young boxer he trains. It’s a strange and depressing movie. It starts out feeling like a discount Rocky, and then ends up being an awkward, one sided “Remains of the Day” that nobody asked for. Nobody watched it except for me because I worked at a video rental store at the time. The internet says the film made only $10,000 at the box office, but I’m still convinced I’m the only human who’s seen it to this day.

[@ArmchairViolence]

But was the movie any good or entertaining to watch?

[@Mbq-sh6bj]

Wow, Coach Ramsey! I didn't notice your comment was from you until finishing reading it. From rental store employee to traveling missionary to Spanish teacher to MMA coach.

[@RamseyDewey]

@@ArmchairViolence I did not care for the film, in spite of giving it the old college try.

[@imjustsam1745]

@@RamseyDewey Coach Dewey, I read all your comments in your voice whether I'm trying to or not. You're awesome God bless.

[@blockmasterscott]

One of my instructors in the 90s was my co worker on the graveyard shift in a production plant. He was a country bumpkin from Vietnam that happened to be an expert in Chinese martial arts. Quite often we were the only people there, so he trained me for 2 years, taught me all the bone breaking stuff you never see in regular martial art schools. Just a production worker working the graveyard shift. I'm indebted to him.

[@3nertia]

Lessons are everywhere if you know how to learn

[@RojirigoD]

To escape trauma, the human brain invents or creates more pleasant stories or memories, usually based on fictional stories. it's joking... maybe...

[@na-ky8ou]

If you don't see these techniques being taught in sports where people actually fight, the reason might not be the one you think.

[@bw5020]

​@@na-ky8ouThat doesn't always mean what you think it does.

[@na-ky8ou]

@@bw5020 You're wrong, it does.

[@jomess7879]

My first instructor and I had an interesting relationship, not like that. I was good friends with a few of his kids and was regularly at his house and his kids were regularly at my house so my family kinda got intertwined with his family. He became one of my dad's good friends, my instructor considered my dad to be like a brother. I considered his kids to be like my siblings, still do for that matter. He became like a second father to me. I even learned skills outside of martial arts from him as he was a rancher and I enjoy manual labor. However, I wasn't really his kid and when he started expecting me to act like his kid (he was verbally abusive and didn't let his kids question him as that was disrespectful) I pushed back because I was raised to question everything. Things got worse and worse and now we don't talk. I taught kids under him and those kids don't talk to me. Only 2 people from that school still talk to me. You can be friends with your instructor, but watch those boundaries. I wasn't wholly innocent in our falling out as I was a 20 year old kid that was suddenly given a lot of power and accidently almost took over his school, but that says something that his students would rather learn from me than him so.

[@MrCmon113]

Beat him up with what he taught you.

[@maxhatush5918]

Accidentally?

[@joshuascott3428]

Never forget the one thing that seperates both Miyagi and Cobra Kai from actual real life mcdojos is unlike all the mcdojo masters they actually served in the special forces didnt just say they did .

[@dacedebeer2697]

Myiagi is a drunk because of lifelong trauma. He was stuck in a bad job because he was an immigrant in the country that bombed his home island. Easy to poke fun at him from this perspective of priviledge. lol

[@institches2750]

Miyagi is a fictional character created by Hollywood--not exactly short on privilege there. That movie has made more money than these two will ever see, so if anything, the privilege is running the other way.

[@dacedebeer2697]

@@institches2750 so that was a joke, but whatever.

[@bw5020]

​@@institches2750Not the point

[@jameslough6329]

@@institches2750 Miyagi was a fictional character created with the intent to show the struggles of a Japanese immigrant in American society. Just because a character is made by Hollywood doesn’t mean they can’t accurately portray the struggles of underprivileged people

[@Mbq-sh6bj]

Johnny Lawrence violently assaulted Daniel 3x: on the beach (1 on 1, jealousy, kind of acceptable) Halloween Dance (gang attack, no remorse, likely would've killed Daniel if Miyagi didn't show up); enthusiastically almost killed him (gang attack driving bike off the hill) But somehow he's the victim somehow or at least equally a victim as Daniel. If Cobra-Kai did less teen soap opera / bad comedy and looked more realistically at Johnny Lawrence rebuilding himself & the consequences of having a psycho sensei, it would've been a far better series. Zabka is a good actor. He could've pulled it off.

[@lionmartialartsacademy4014]

The first one Johnny was actually not trying to fight for most of it. The 2nd Daniel was spraying him in the bathroom first messed up his weed 😂 which was also after Daniel punched the guy on the soccer field and then Mr Miyagi beats up children which is definitely a felony.

[@Mbq-sh6bj]

​@@lionmartialartsacademy4014 Johnny *did* fight for most of the first one: shoved radio to his chest to the ground, then two kicks & a back fist. Daniel rushed like a bull; bad tactic on his part but not the instigator. The second one was... a waste of weed. But also, getting wet is clearly less harmful (& acceptable retaliation, all things considered) than getting beaten up on a beach; assaulted on a soccer field; driven off a hill on a bike; or gang attacked after a Halloween dance. Daniel only punched the dude on the soccer field after he violently tripped him. And those children gang-attacked another child first, then attacked a senior just for being there (Miyagi didn't throw the first punch).

[@aegisprotection4969]

@@Mbq-sh6bj You are very correct. I don't know where people get this beating up children garbage. They are all high school seniors, some of whom might be 18, holding down and beating on 1 person. All Miyagi did was shove Daniel out of the way. Kobra Kai instigated every attack after that. The defenders of Johnny always ignore him shoving Daniel off a hillside just because he could. There is no defense of that one.

[@lionmartialartsacademy4014]

@@Mbq-sh6bj random guy shows up and try’s to snatch a radio out your hand and all you do is shove him. People get into fights for less when someone they don’t know try to snatch anything out of someone else’s hand. Also he tripped him the first couple times and was letting it go Daniel punched him then he punched and kicked back clearly showing he could’ve hurt him earlier and badly but was holding back It’s soccer those are soccer trips it happens the coach saw but threw Johnny out because he took it too far Imagine you minding your own business and someone spray a hose at you, there’s a video on the internet of this guy spraying a hose on his neighbors and his neighbors were messing with him and it made them mad enough to fight of course someone spraying you when you haven’t been doing anything would provoke a reaction. I don’t know where you’re from but we used to play king of the hill where we routinely threw people down hills, and this is after Daniel whom from Johnnys perspective was the instigator got his butt whooped and then wanted to join martial arts to get back at someone who he started the fight with in the first place. Ultimately Daniel didn’t know him or anyone at the new school and well intending people don’t go around inserting themselves in situations where they don’t belong. If Johnny was such a bad guy he would never honor the treaty even when Daniel was doing things to provoke a reaction. Johnny not perfect but Daniel isn’t all innocent either

[@Mbq-sh6bj]

@@aegisprotection4969 Thanks for the reply. Defenders of Johnny / Cobra Kai would all be singing an entirely different tune if all of their attacks actually happened to them in real life. But then the cop-out is "Well, it's just a movie. Don't take it so seriously" (but until being proven wrong, it wasn't just a movie somehow...). Forgot those kids were at least 17 or 18 years old. Most (regular) folks that are Miyagi's age would definitely feel intimidated by one teen of that age (never mind five of them & all highly-trained in combat). How many late-50s / early-60s folks are fit, never mind combat ready? Even some mid-30s people are already out of shape & vulnerable. But we also live in the age of everyone being a victim ("whaaaaaa, I want sympathy too even though I did harm!"). But also we live in a time when exploring bad guys' motives as part of pop culture leads to new & interesting story lines. After all, even bad guys don't think they're bad guys (just like defenders of Johnny Lawrence don't see themselves as defending a bully even though when we look at the obvious details, that's all they're doing). Think of how much folks wanted to see how Darth Vader became who he became.

[@brianreilly5103]

I attended a ITF Korean Karate school from 1981 to 1983. It was a old school, hardcore dojang, with hardwood floors, no hand or feet pads, ,no air conditioning and each class ending with the students conditoning their knockles by pounding into bricks or the floor, it was geared to adult training. I alway felt that the Karate Kid movie turned most schools into Daddy Day care, I understand that is where the money is and to stay open you have to cater to your market,but the training has been deluded, even in the adult classes.

[@yaacovbloch7276]

To be fair take any movie and change it a little to be realistic and it'll be very confusing. Our world is confusing weird and dark

[@aegisprotection4969]

Framing things in a positive: This was not your most thoughtful video. I don't even know where to start. So I will sleep on it and hit the channel with my thoughts tomorrow.

[@MrBastilleDay]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@bw5020]

💯💯💯

[@user-qp1yc3zl8i]

You are very creative and your channel is unique. I would like to know How effective is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in street fighting and self-defense is it good

[@user-ey1hh1jl9s]

Miyagi got drunk once, on his wedding anniversary. And he wasn't making a living as a Karate teacher because his philosophy was based on Gijin Funakoshi, whose core moral guideline was "you should not eat from Karate". Shouldn't earn a living from it, because that is in any context earning by your fists. Did you guys even watch the movie?

[@brocknspectre1221]

I didn’t expect to laugh this much! Great video guys!

[@manuelzapata1192]

Have you guys watched the karate kid Daniel's mom was a single mother And miagi became the Father figure. You're killing my childhood lol

[@madperrot]

Man I wish I could count all the wild stuff I believed from growing up on martial arts films 🤦🏾‍♂️. Life is funny though and it has a way of teaching you the reality of things one way or another. Sometimes rather painfully 🤣

[@timadams3979]

Miyagi was a MOH decorated WWII veteran and former business owner who retired and worked as a maintenance man--Cobra Kai's Johnny IS literally a drunk maintenance guy.

[@dogestranding5047]

Johnny Lawrence is former Air Force.

[@Rex-golf_player810]

​@@dogestranding5047 what

[@bw5020]

​@@Rex-golf_player810Watch again. He's a vet

[@guillermoletsworkitout3522]

Yeah but miyagi was war hero also lost his family and he feld his island to not fight his friend and well miyagi had hands do

[@juanedoses8715]

Daniel son looks like a chemo survivor.:-)

[@eueu4854]

He was an alcoholic because he got drunk once?!

[@antant06]

Rose namajunas is Daniel san?!

[@jaycoops6886]

great comments section here XD

[@herbertwurm9368]

"Big Stan" in a nutshell.

[@GeneralFaliure]

It's movie, and tv. It's symbolic. I liked Karate kid, it's wat got me into karate, and i am still at it to this day, and i love Cobra Kai.

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

For a brief time, I went to a dojo where the guy running it would slap kids around. I was 17-18 y/o, so I could tell it was making the kids violent, since they saw him as a role model. Not saying it justifies his behavior, but he was getting good results in competitions, his son won world silver in point Kempo.

[@ArmchairViolence]

That's awful. I guess breeding violence would create good results in the lower levels of competition, but it is unlikely to last

[@maxzhao8331]

great video!

[@bryantrojasx69]

What about the kung fu 🥋 kid

[@ShinFahima]

Some grown man going around beating up a buncha kids. . . Jackie Chan did some things in that movie.

[@guillermoletsworkitout3522]

Look in asian student live with instructors and yes they clean

[@guillermoletsworkitout3522]

I mean dude

[@bewarethegreyghost]

More like "Cobra CRY" amiright?

[@ShinFahima]

For a minute I thought they were talking about Rose Namajunas

[@TouSaiK]

😲 Yes it's a fictional film but did you consider that there are first generation immigrants who didn't have opportunities to achieve well paying careers due to barriers of English language abilities. Also stop demoralizing people who work as janitors, at least they are making an honest living. Also the martial arts is not exactly accurate in Karate Kid but it influenced more people to at least pay attention to karate at the time. You guys sound really arrogant talking down on others and dismissive of other people's economic and cultural perspectives. I also agree with the previous comment about Miyagi only got drunk on occasion not all the time. You guys really showed lack on empathy in this video.

[@bw5020]

I thought the same thing. Felt off

[@garynaccarato4606]

Crouching tiger hidden pervert.That would have been the perfect title for how Karate kid would have had a good chance of playing out in real life .

[@voodoocrackdealer6868]

Not gunna lie, your comment made me burst out laughing. 😆

[@NatureZone101]

When you listen to people carefully they will tell you who they are and what type of character they have. 2 dudes talking disrespectfully about the profession of being a Maintenance man.

[@ArmchairViolence]

Jokes on you, I've been a maintenance man.

[@Reaper-rg7fb]

@@ArmchairViolence Miyagi is a amazing fighter

[@GravyTraining]

Came expecting insights. Got cynicism and no real information. Disappointing. Didn't come away with any more information than 2 guys saying that Karate teachers are pedos... I think you can both do better.

[@bw5020]

So y'all know many martial artists ain't balling. Many teachers got a full time job. Can learn from anyone. I do armed security. I assist beginners in my class.

[@2002kirbow]

OMG you guys are SO WRONG , this is messed up 😅😅😆 (all in good fun, I know … we have dark humor like this in the military so I can’t really judge )

[@wasabi5338]

It also showed how hard work cant beat talent. Johnny did karate presumably all his life and gets his ass beat by Daniel who only did it for months

[@dogestranding5047]

Not necessarily talent beating hard work- it shows that better instruction and training can be mistaken for talent. Daniel had Miyagi as his instructor and Kreese couldn’t even lay a finger on him. Now imagine if Johnny had been trained by Miyagi.

[@gingercore69]

Thr "make chores as training" is an older trope than karate kid... There are various old japanese stories with the same concept... My favorite is also super dumb... A guy went to a sword master to learn how to fight with swords... And the master told him he would teach him if he did anything he asked for for some years, dont remember how many, lets say 3..... And git him to clean and cook... And first few months did nothing to train him... Then suddenly attacjed him with a boken... And hir him in the head... And reoeated that until the guy could defend himself with whatever he git at hand... Be it a spoon, a broom, whatever... And after the time passed told him.he had nothing else to teach him Its taken as a story of great samurai training... But i see just abuse, broken boned and and brain damage

[@gingercore69]

Like... Not a single technique was taught to that guy... He got his "blackbelt" just for having ptsd

[@renatodoe6661]

FIRST

[@TophatlarryOG]

Second my son :3

[@katokianimation]

What the F is so funny about child grooming. Why are you guys having such a good time and a smiling a lot? And why do you have to frame the topic trough bad fanfiction? Do you have any evidence that after the Karate Kid movie people got more tolerant for child molesters? Like everybody was like, hmm if one lesson I can take from the karate kid, that I should get an alcoholic old dude to take csre of my child.

[@McDojoLife]

Someone didn’t pay attention to the beginning of the video where is says to watch the first two videos for context. 🤦‍♂️

[@katokianimation]

@@McDojoLife what are you talking about i watched them... Bringing the karate kid to the grooming topic is so forced.

[@McDojoLife]

@@katokianimation so I take it you didn’t like the video? 😂

[@worldholder99]

Cobra Cry, :).

[@brianalvarez3252]

Cobra Cry

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

Don't really remember much of the original, but I like the newer one with Jackie Chan. But I do know a few things about the overall story of the original that was actually really good to see in a movie. (They of course still could have done a shitty job making the movie tho) butt so the real man who pretty much started/invented karate was actually named miyagi, he invented gojo Ryu karate after traveling to China and learning various martial arts there. As well as you can clearly see miyagis training was much different than the other opponents in the movies training. (Now I'm pretty sure nobody in the newer film actually used any "karate") but the style used by Daniel in the original film is technically majority a Chinese martial art. White crane and wing Chun, being where it got the name gojo Ryu. Which means hard/soft

[@ssjrose9641]

Not one of your better videos. I know you guys explain it at the end, but the conversation was cringe. You took a fun 80's movie that likely started many kids martial arts journey and turned it into a dark "fantazy". Thumbs down for this one guys.