The Kecoughtan and the Expansion of the Pamunkey Chiefdom

[@debcookpamunkey]

Wow, great to see and hear you Buck! I also need to slow down and pause and try to take in everything that you said Dr Woodard 😊

[@thomasrobbinsjr]

Hi Buck. My interests have been turned to the Spanish presence in the Carolinas so I try to keep abreast of the subtle mentions of Spanish forts and locations as I research for the Meherrin. I have a really keen interest of the Barbados' colonization of the Carolina coast of South Carolina and their interaction with settlement Indians like the Sewee and Wondo. I am a descendant of the Sewee Chief Jeremy. Interesting name for a chief. Thomas Robbins

[@anpowicasta2135]

There is a man ( for the life of me I cant remember his name) who did extensive research on Desotos presence in south carolina at the city of cotifacheque . It's pyramid was destroyed and no longer exists . It was said to be ruled by an " empress " and that it mirrored the incan /Aztec culture of South America. Alot like what was seen in the movie apocalypto by Mel Gibson. If you googled archeological studies of the city of cotifacheque I'm sure you'd find that man's name , along with excerpts of Desotos log and journal about that site . I vaguely remember reading one where Desoto describes entering in upon the city and how it was laden with outdoor plumbing and irrigation a large stone wheel used to pump water ? Outdoor vendors " huts " fires burning from torches , pots still hot with fires burning under them. But not one soul in sight. It had emptied and every single inhabitant vanished and gone . Along with that " empress " the only account I've ever read about that discussed an empirical type lifestyle. The garments found ? Embroidered silk green and gold fabrics . Traces of South American culture objects with jade in them . Which is unusual for that part of the country especially real gold. And where did the fabric garments come from ? The only culture from out of the Carolinas that appear to be similar at all would be the " Uchee" or yuchi people and or yamassee . I saw a picture of a yuchi girl once on a river in south carolina canoeing . Her hair looked like the buns of the Pueblo and hopi out west rings of jewelry around her neck. It was unusually foreign and alien for south carolina. But she was yuchi . Their remnants now live in Wisconsin I believe and their. Language still survives

[@anpowicasta2135]

On the Sewee: It was said that they were lost at sea . Believing they could reach England across the Atlantic in canoes . It was said that some 300 reached the middle of the Atlantic and a storm swept them up and they all drowned. The story makes no sense to me because someone would have to survive in order to tell the story of how they all died at sea. So I've always been skeptical about that story. As to their language , they belonged to the siouan stock and language family and able to communicate clearly with the catawba , the pee dee and the saponi and the other 10 or so siouan offshoots . If this is true , then it would be a proto siouan language much like the catawba. Of their language that survived and can be located in a catawba dictionary on Line The catawba word for male from wht i could ascertain would have been " yeh-witcha-cha " in dakota a man would be a wicasa ." The word for female would be " yeh-witcha " in eastern dakota dialect It would be " wicha " before the language evolved around 1860 and wicha was replaced with winyan . Like winyah Bay sc . Also a siouan group the " weh-nee-yah" Indians. The catawba word for owl was hinhan . The dakota sioux word for owl is the same . The catawba word for turtle was Keiah . The eastern dakota sioux word for turtle is " Keyah " I've studied this for a very long time and came to my own conclusion that the siouan groups of the Carolinas were actually assiniboine sioux who spoke a proto siouan dialect. One of their many sub bands was one called " catuwabe. The suffix of be in assiniboine is " them or they " and denotes a plural of things living. In eastern dakota sioux. The suffix of pi is used . Example " wah-che-un-kiya-PI " We pray " and that catawba is an anglicized bastardization of the proper " catu-wah-be" meaning they carry their wood or they dwell in the eastern woods . If the sewee spoke the same language then it's safe to assume they're also the remnants of assiniboine living in the southeastern seaboard

[@anpowicasta2135]

From Wikipedia on the assiniboine The bands of chief Manitupotis (also known as Wankanto - Little Soldier) and Hunkajuka (Hum-ja-jin-sin, Inihan Kinyen - Little Chief), together about 300 people with about 50 warriors, on June 1, 1873, were victims of the Cypress Hills massacre. An estimated 25 to 30 Assiniboine were killed by American Wolfers to take revenge for horse-stealing Cree in Montana. This massacre led to the development of the North-West Mounted Police (NWMP), later known as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). Canknuhabi ('Ones That Carry Their Wood'), Cątų́wąbi ('Forest Villagers, Wood Villagers')

[@anpowicasta2135]

Note the suffix of " Bi " meaning " they "

[@thomasrobbinsjr]

@@anpowicasta2135 go back and read the account of the Sewee written down by Lawson, before the Tuscarora and Meherrin killed him. The Sewee that drowned were able bodied young men when their canoes capsized. And it wasn't half way. Old men, women, children were not with them. Several were fished out and sold into slavery.Chief Jeremy is recorded in colonial records and an Island is named for him so obviously he was not on the canoes. The Sewee were also recorded as being absorbed by the Wando after the mishap.

[@IccyyYT]

Amen old English I speak they made from of my speaking ni also lived in Roanoke Virginia I live there on the Baptist campus

[@ronniedurie7752]

Hey Buck! I'll be needing a signed copy of your book friend! Thanks for this educational lecture. This is Ronnie, I've cut cattails with you and Chris and Chief Kenneth Branham at a wet land some years ago for the Monacan Village at Natural Bridge. I've danced at Pow Wows with you brother. I also have the sliver medallion of the Appomattock Indians! Good to see here and wish you well brother and hope to catch you sometime on this Red Road we travel on!

[@IccyyYT]

Hi I'm Rhonda rene Richard from Virginia born in Newport News Virginia yes I'm a pamunkey I would love to prove it I can I left there when I. Was young my grandparents are lankfords and Brandt hicks. Thomas lankford

[@ckone360]

I'm a descendant of the Kikotan tribe. My grandmother's last name is Tann !

[@ElTurbandito]

I really enjoyed this lecture! lol at the inadvertent(?) Anakin Skywalker quote @37:29

[@benjaminblevins1882]

I am curious about what leads researcher to the conclusion that the decline in population in Tidewater area due to genocidal campaign of the Powhatan rather than a decline due to disease as documented in many other regions in first decades after contact. The English at Jamestown are arriving in a region well over a century of first contact.

[@joerocchi1205]

Great info

[@qounqer]

this is really fucking bizzare

[@lusolad]

Why bizarre?

[@lusolad]

Interesting and honest.