The Kelis, Beyonce & Pharrell Drama.

[@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain]

UPDATE: Beyonce has subsequently removed Kelis's interpolation on the song!! How do you feel about that?

[@aliensliveinme]

Bad, it very much feels like they're trying to get out of paying her. Unfortunately it's out there now! That version is going to be floating around on the internet until civilisation collapses, at which apoint I guess the money is irrelevant anyway 🤣

[@lesleylester982]

She must’ve sensed your disapproval.

[@chipm0nkey]

A small victory I guess. :)

[@matthewchunk3689]

​@@lesleylester982 The Bee Hive is no match for The Hawk Nest

[@markrs2000]

But what about the copies already out there? If the album was released a couple of days ago, wouldn't there be hundreds maybe thousands of downloads already sold?

[@EastyyBlogspot]

I really hate plagarism and stealing ideas and I sing about that in my band called The Lightness

[@PJF1981]

With your classic song, I Don't Believe In A Thing Called Love.

[@ReformedR]

Might have to call The Dimness and make a copy right claim

[@Oooo-bi7bi]

Love it mate, started to read as a viable response.

[@jameskilgour387]

@@PJF1981 ah that was such a good album "refusal to take-off"

[@martinheath5947]

Is your real name Notquitein Hawkouts?

[@SkimPickens]

I demand a Darkness/Kelis collaboration. Make it happen, Justin. Love the channel!

[@irishwristwatch2487]

"My milkshake brings all the tickets to hell and back"

[@DanaDetrick]

"Get your hands off my milkshake motherfucker"

[@lesleylester982]

I agree with Kelis's sentiments and I enjoyed listening to her point of view. She's also correct that her hair looks cute. Incidentally, I walked down the aisle at my wedding to Dracula's Wedding, a duet by Andre 3000 and Kelis (great song - and it's not rap or hip-hop). Although I'm very happily divorced now, I stand by my spectacular choice of wedding music. And my hair looked cute too.

[@JB_Eckl]

I would read a blog by you in a heartbeat

[@MrTompahallam]

Just reading this alone I determine that your husband is the real loser in that divorce…

[@BlueZirnitra]

That was a short but sweet journey!

[@SineEyed]

@@MrTompahallam cringey simping is cringey..

[@BrianMoore1]

love Draculas Wedding. Roses is great off that one too …

[@CMFO83]

Thanks Justin. This is a very interesting video on what happens a lot in the music industry these days all over the globe. I have a question ……. Have you gotten a Guitar Stand yet ? Regards Cash

[@bettyboop8529]

The way you feel about hearing Kelis speak is the way I feel about you speaking. Love it

[@umokay1991]

I just recently found out about your channel, it's been quite a pleasure to hear someone break down songs to determine what works and what doesn't. As a musician myself with no knowledge of music theory that just rolls with instinct I like when a more knowledgeable musician discusses music the way you do. You probably won't end up reading this, but man I'd love to hear you talk about a band like The Dismemberment Plan. Songs like The Ice of Boston or Gyroscope would be really interesting to hear a well-informed inspection on. Regardless, I've been stuck inside sick and your channel has really made the experience better. Thanks.

[@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain]

I know this kind of music isn't necessarily to your taste - but what do you think about this issue? It's prolific.

[@user-bj2lu9qt3o]

The thing is that Beyonce is stealing all the time. Since years. And she always gets away with it. The awful thing is that she even steals from little unknown artists. I really have trouble trusting any artist these days because it seems this happens so damn often and even bands like Coldplay or Radiohead have done it, which is messing with my trust in music.

[@buttmonkey1698]

@@user-bj2lu9qt3o there are only 7 notes in music it's pretty much impossible not to copy someone, somewhere. Frank zappa said years ago that every combination of music had already been played

[@dentoncrimescene]

12 notes.

[@paulwilson6357]

@@user-bj2lu9qt3o There's definitely a difference between stealing on purpose and stealing by coincidence, but those you mentioned are in the purpose bracket I reckon. I would have thought that taking a direct sample is worse than copying a melody as you're actually physically taking the recording too, but then either way is pretty scummy without asking first.

[@buttmonkey1698]

@@dentoncrimescene no 7 notes the others are semitones

[@ActOneBSM]

I worked in a studio in Manchester. We got a call saying a very famous manager and personality was coming in to record. He came in and just recorded one tiny little percussion section. So small. We enquired as to why he would do this and it was so he had performance and writing credits on the track so got more money for it. That is how and why managers get writing credits. As a producer myself I have often used bits of my own tracks in my newer pieces. As the producers of milkshake they might not have thought about it as stealing as it was their own work anyway? Wierd one

[@tomspriggs7130]

Hi Justin, I enjoy watching your videos while pooing. You make this a more enjoyable experience. Thank you x

[@munaal-raghban4741]

The thing is it was a licensed sample it’s just that Kalis didn’t get notified because she doesn’t own the masters of the song so the producers and writers or the actual owner of the song can allow the sample to occur. However I do believe that Kalis should have been told or notified about it because IT IS HER SONG

[@misterpink808]

Yes, that's what I was thinking might have happened. And they had mutual friends that she feels a bit hard done by because she wasn't personally notified.

[@twkotb]

Is it her song, though? I mean, back in the day a record company would buy a bunch of songs from a publisher (or they had their own in-house publishing company and writers). Then they would have multiple artists record a song and hope for one of them to be a hit. They might even license the song to other record companies who would have their artists throw out a few versions. You could have the same song in the charts multiple times simultaneously by different artists. I’m just being Devil’s advocate here, though. I get that it’s her song in a sense. She is the face/voice of the song. But the Neptunes’ publishing company owns the melody/lyrics and the record label (Arista) owns the 2003 recording. It’s not her song. She just sang/promoted it. Edit: just watched the rest of the video. She seems to insinuate that she should have been given a writing credit back in the day. Forget everything I said lol

[@Gidget_Lynn]

Beyonce has snatched up so much of other artists work and all of her songs have like 8 song writers. She is just an entertainer, not an artist. Kelis is 100% correct!

[@mjf8897]

no, Beyonce didn't take Keli's song in any way. Beyonce is happy to give anyone credit if she takes a sample or a lyric - that's why the other people get "songwriting credit" they didn't write the song with her though, lol

[@Gidget_Lynn]

@@mjf8897 incorrect. Kelis had a problem with her not reaching out to her. Beyonce is a KNOWN thief when it comes to music and not giving credit. That is a Kelis song point blank period.

[@miou-miou-]

@@mjf8897 so you are saying beyonce is happy to give credit when flat out stealing what another, real band, actually wrote? no. no she is not.. it wasn't until she got a shitload of backlash for having stolen "yeah yeah yeahs" song "maps" and just replaced the words in the lyrics with some synonyms.. she doesn't do shit except perform what other people tell her to perform. at least "yeah yeah yeahs" got their credits for beyonce's version in the end after it became public that two (i think) of her "writers" had just given her their rewritten version of "maps" without naming anyone from yeah yeah yeahs.

[@mjf8897]

@@miou-miou- yeah - when beyonce samples another artist she is happy to give credit - she does it all the time. and she never stole the song "maps" there is an interpolation that is credited to the yeah yeah yeahs. you have no idea what she does and why she does what she does, no need to pretend here, kiddo. you seem to be angry about things that don't concern you and in the end were fixed - lol.

[@mjf8897]

@@Gidget_Lynn no that isn't true. beyonce gives credit to who she samples from all the time. there is no theft here, so there's no reason for her to reach out to kelis. kind of weird for you to be mad about it

[@martinheath5947]

Guitarist and KZbinr Paul Davids received a copyright strike on one of his own compositions after somebody downloaded and used his audio in one of their songs. This can get ridiculous

[@Peacefrogg]

I stole your ideas so you can’t use them anymore! Sounds like a 5 yr old child. Reminds me of the seed industry where the big seed cmpanies sued farmers bc the wind blew the seeds of the big company blew onto the farmers’ fields.

[@Peacefrogg]

@Grimmlord Blakk huh?

[@Peacefrogg]

@Grimmlord Blakk yeah i meant stealing and then saying you can’t steal it back cos it’s mine now. That’s something a 5 yr old would say. Or a narcissist or a gaslighter

[@morganghetti]

Her hair really does looks great.

[@astridxr]

The days of MySpace..... I feel old now, thanks!!

[@gabrieldefrancesco7517]

This video is fantastic. (I've watched other JHRA - but this one is fantastic). Thanks for making it.

[@TheRubyTuesdays]

I’ve commented this before but one of the maddest ones I’ve heard is Green Day’s “American Idiot” and The Stiff’s “Innocent Bystander”, would be really interesting to see Justin break the two down and give a verdict

[@soundssimple1]

A great way to bring attention to an album track, win win for all in the long run once the 'deal' is settled . Nice video.

[@mattiemclean9882]

The whole thing stinks. Especially the song!

[@Buesifluesterer]

Your bush is getting better every day! (I mean the one in front of the barechest photo)

[@kentanderson8501]

Dude, you're a fucking legend! Thanks for being awesome and sharing said awesomeness with your videos. Would you consider reviewing and/or breaking down "Do you realize??" by The Flaming Lips. I've been practicing it for my daughter. I hope to understand why and how the recording is so comforting and find a way to write her something with a similar emotional resonance. These videos are great, especially your songwriting ones. Whenever I'm stuck with a transition or am reverting to an original session after an hour of work, this channel is my go to. Seriously, thanks man.

[@simonvegas793]

Very special song that!!!

[@NinStardust]

Not exactly on topic, but could we have a tattoo tour one of the days? I love the style and how colourful they are and every time your arms are bare I spot something new! 🥰

[@robsmall8398]

my absolute favourite music channel, really cool 👍🏽💥

[@davidcudlip1582]

Kelis’s album ‘Food’ is absolutely incredible. I just heard it today because of this video. Thanks, Justin.

[@simonvegas793]

I think Interpolation refers to it being re-sung or something along those lines, so not a direct sample as such but still a derivative of the original work...

[@louiscarrollmusic-lcm5331]

Hi Justin. Absolutely ecstatic, as I'll be coming to "The Darkness" at your concert at the Enmore Theatre here in Aus. You'll be my first concert since Alice Cooper.

[@wesmatron]

A friend and I had a MySpace page with some of our tunes on. We had hardly any listeners but I was shocked when one of our "Out there" tunes seemed to have been nicked for an advert

[@skeletonmodel]

In the Netherlands we had a guy (working for BMG I think,) called Henk Jan Smits, he would put himself on albums in the credits as playing the non existing ‘supershaker’ and got therefore a cut from Sena. Which in Holland is the company making sure the “artists” get money every time their song is played publicly. Guess it’s a common thing for some of those industry people

[@SineEyed]

I think it's a common thing within humanity, actually--and unfortunately always will be. There will always be those who don't want to put in the effort required to reap the appropriate rewards. Those people will never stop looking for ways to use the efforts of others to benefit themselves..

[@projectresonate5142]

Kelis is untouchable, Incredible Artist. A style of her own.

[@troythomas5803]

Love your channel brother, great videos.

[@jehcee1]

Hey Justin! I love the channel. Here's my take: If Pharrell and Hugo are credited as the writers of "Milkshake", wouldn't they most likely own the publishing? If that's the case, then I would think that they could use whatever they wanted from it.

[@RByrne]

I think Kelis is in the right here. But one thing I've always wondered is how they divide up the writer credits. If they use a sample for 99% of the song, and another for a very small portion, are they both given equal credit?

[@NoCanDu]

I used to work in music licensing back in the late 90s when people were figuring out existing hits that used unlicensed samples. It was a @*&##! nightmare! Normal bands, say, Duran Duran, agreed to split five ways for five members. Some splits with hip hop/samples were decided by courts. We had songs with a ton of writers, some getting a split of say 1.33%! Now? They know they have to license samples, so the split is worked out up front. For all I know, they’ve set a particular percentage for particular usage now. All I know is that it used to be a true nightmare! 🤣

[@holliswilliams8426]

god knows

[@RyanPMcGowan]

@@NoCanDu it still is. There are solutions being worked on involving blockchain.

[@chriscampbell9191]

It's probably contractual between the writers, and possibly others, as well (producers who wrote some of it, etc.).

[@BryceinLimbo]

Mate, can we get your hot take on Tame Impala / Kevin Parker?

[@stefanfeist9893]

De La Soul know a lot about these issues. Their back catalogue is not on Spotify because of one sample used in one song.

[@davidbrown8517]

Always love your videos. Is it possible to have a video on your amazing guitars, and any story about them.

[@dime_life4768]

Keep doing your thing mate! Can't get enough this s***! Cheers

[@AaronPharaoh]

The portion of the song I believe is in question is towards the end of Beyonce's "Energy". The backing vocals do a very similar "la la la..." that Kelis does in the pre-chorus of "Milkshake". Given the dispute I am not sure if the actual voice on the "Energy" vocal is Beyonce or a sample of Kelis that is altered to fit the song. A Rolling Stone article said that Milkshake was interpolated for Energy and not sampled which to my understanding means that they recorded that part of the song with a direct intent of having it sound like Milkshake. Some artist do this and give the original artist partial songwriting credit. I understand that Kelis is the artist for that song but she isn't listed as a writer. The two songwriters for Milkshake, Pharrell and Hugo, are both songwriters on the Beyonce song too. In rock terms I think this would be equivalent to one guitar player using the same riff in multiple bands. Maybe a bit tacky but entirely within their rights.

[@ClaudioBrogliato]

The whole pop music now runs on 3 or 4 chords progression. We will assist to more and more fights between who copied who and this is stupid. Here in Italy only the melody is evaluated in plagiarism cases because modern music is not considered original anymore, more over it has to be proven that the offender must have had some sort of contact with the victim's song to consider it a plagiarism so that accidental coincidences can be ruled out. This case is a no contest IMHO. Yet fighting over these things is a huge loss of time and money.

[@jonathansteadman7935]

You've just hit the nail on the head, they've been using the same four chords for years now. It's why everything sounds the same. You've said it better than I could, totally agree.

[@muzikkification]

Plagiarism is plagiarism, and if it's an actual sample as opposed to an idea/chord progression, then it's literally stealing (without any clearance from the label/approval from the artist). Copying a melody to some degree is considered stealing, but it's somewhat open to interpretation. I'm not interested in the supposed quality of music of the past four years - the samples in question are almost 20 years old. Kelis also has some absolutely great indie/electro pop stuff for the record, though 'Milkshake' is definitely not included in that. Simple chord progressions in pop music has been happening since pop music was a thing, they just have different chord progressions that generally start in a minor key instead of a major key. Actually in the 60's it was more likely to only be a 3-chord progression. Every second British and American pop artists copied the Beatles early stuff.

[@ClaudioBrogliato]

@@muzikkification Plagiarism is something only a judge can state because there's always the possibility that two composers end up writing the same thing, given they use the same harmony. In this specific case it's a sample and the songs share an author if I understood correctly. I'm no judge or expert but I suspect this would lose any trial.

[@anandmorris]

When Kelis released Milkshake, pop music was pretty decent, even to a rock/indie guy.

[@muzikkification]

@@ClaudioBrogliato That's a really good point - that happens quite often as well, or an artist will unintentionally copy another song without realising. I guess at the end of the day, the more songs that get created, the less possible unique melodies, progressions, etc. that actually exist anymore. Even talented songwriters have this issue.

[@MettleHurlant]

They didn’t need to add that sample at all. The music is already too “busy” and they could have found another way to arrange it that didn’t include that extra bit. Regardless of whether they were legally able to use it, Kelis should have been notified before they used it.

[@ErlendFlatin]

It's difficult to hear if it's a sample or interpolation. My understanding is that sampling is using bits from the original recording of a song, while interpolation is re-recording something, possibly with some changes e.g. Coolio's Gangsta's Paradise or Ariana Grande's 7 Rings. If Pharrell and Chad are the only credited writers of Milkshake they are most likely owners of the publishing rights and are only stealing from themselves when it comes to re-recording the melody. But since they've removed the vocal bit at the end from ENERGY it might suggests that part was a sample they didn't actually have the master rights to. One of the takeaways from this is: just write your own lyrics and melodies, instead of having a team of 15 (there are 15 credited writers on the 1m56s long ENERGY) writers who still can't make an original song

[@ahardcorejedi2968]

I think for Kelis it's about history, like this is blatant constant small chips toward you. Just double dipping any way they can, success (in this nature) is bliss.

[@oldsongsnew8797]

What strikes me . is the way artists still use these 'songwriters/producers' that are clearly out of ideas .but they are 'names' . I'm sure there's better out there in the wilderness ,you know people , that can knock up a proper tune.

[@user-et2fj8xm5l]

Who the hell cares. All we are doing here is comparing mediocrity with, well mediocrity. In the words of George Harrison “ It’s just a load of rubbish”

[@aprilkurtz1589]

What?! There are people in the music industry who have no soul or integrity? Say no more! “The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.” Hunter S. Thompson I like Kelis a lot, and I'm glad she's standing up for her work. I can't hear a similarity between the two, but if she says there is, there must be. She seems like an honest person.

[@mjf8897]

no there's no plagiarism here.

[@witch_haunts_ghost]

Boom! I love that Hunter S quote. He was always a truth speaker!

[@jasonbates2687]

double extra points for the HST quote

[@enfpchick]

She is because she paid for the sample from the actual owners of the song 🤷🏾‍♀️ Kelis should take it up with The Neptunes

[@mjf8897]

@@enfpchick if you pay for the sample it isn't plagiarism. there is nothing to settle with kelis - there's nothing taken from that kelis song. you don't own a time signature and kick drum and BPM. there's nothing else similar.

[@StevenTwoTwo]

The most crazy part of this is that their manager has writing credits on her singles. Wtf?! Beyonce has now had the sample removed from her song by the way. Common courtesy, fair enough, but even better common courtesy would have been to just run it by Kelis in the first place

[@grandudetonesnob7107]

..." I've been looking forward to getting into this one ".. I totally felt the pathos in that statement.

[@hutch5799]

This whole 'controversy' seems very manufactured. The publicity isn't exactly harming streaming figures for both Kelis' and Beyonce's songs.

[@MattJoyce01]

Justin, I do, but most do not, know what myspace is. Love that orange cable.

[@seanohalloran384]

It’s too close. Kelis has a right to complain. Pay the woman. Great video!

[@kevincarlo4407]

This music is to my taste. The main thing to understand legally is interpolation vs. sample. The master recording isn't used. The rights were cleared, Kelis sadly has no publishing ownership in Milkshake thus Beyonces team and label didnt contact her...rude but surely all they care about in this case is legality. I feel for Kelis she is claiming she wrote on her first two records but The Neptunes are the only ones credited thus no publishing. this seems to be her main frustration. The music business is cold.

[@Kkidzz]

In the immortal words of David St. Hubbins..'There's a fine line between stupid and clever....'

[@holliswilliams8426]

They should get in contact and ask for approval at the very least.

[@lenacally222]

Very interesting... love your outfit by the way 😍

[@stevejacobs3418]

This is a really interesting video...however I have been unable to take my eyes off that Les Paul bass since you moved where you record. Manager having writting credits?! Wtf.

[@bnicolette14]

okay but Kaleidoscope is one of my favorite albums, so good. if anyone else knows Kelis' song Caught Out There (which I love, & was produced by the Neptunes/Pharrell) it has SO many similarities to Usher's My Way (which I also love & was produced by Jermaine Dupri.) I noticed this by accident a few years ago when they played one after the other on shuffle and I thought My Way played twice in a row lol. but no one else on the internet has noticed this or at least hasn't posted anything about it. I love Kelis btw. I think the problem is Neptunes in this case.

[@nickmandleberg]

Roller Rink!!! Bought the album in 99 in California - still great tracks to tune car speakers

[@amyp473]

This is just Justin laughing at Kelis’ insults and I’m here for it

[@mjf8897]

sorry those songs aren't anywhere close to copyright infringement

[@xmarkhimselfx]

Oooh, you're jacket is fire. I also appreciate the tank top. 🔥👌 You're the man. 💯👍

[@murphyia1980]

We all know the worst example of musical theft was Father Ted's My Lovely Horse.

[@hummingbird.media.productions]

FACTS

[@d0okie27]

Hi Justin, Just wanted to say what great KZbin channel this is, Big Fan of you & The Darkness! I was lucky enough to do the photography for the Deep Purple latest album "Turning To Crime" last year, Keep up the good work dude

[@avagreenall4671]

I'm a violinist and I've just been booked to dep in for a lead guitarist of a blues band that do all originals. I only had the chance to rehearse with them once, but every single song had a pinched riff - after the 3rd or 4th song I had to point it out to them. They were genuinely surprised. We then went through 4 hours of rewriting and performed 3 gigs back to back. Once they've trained up their new lead guitarist I may never see them again. I honestly believe if parts of songs have been nicked purposely or accidentally (and its pointed out) but they release them commercially then the original composer has the right to legally kick off. If the industry has found a loophole or two legally, once the song is released then the public generally side eye the theiving swines that pinched it. Remember Queen and David Bowie with the iconic Bass line from Under Pressure suddenly turning up in Vanilla Ices Ice Ice Baby?

[@stuartsaint4581]

I only seem to comment when I have a Nine Inch Nails story but the writing credits can extend as far as a single line of lyrics. There was an interview where Trent Reznor said Limp Bizkit's music was shite, and Fred Durst responded by writing a chorus almost entirely composed of NIN lyrics and song titles. He was then sued for plagiarism and Reznor got added to the record as a writer.

[@jendeb892]

Its 4 am and this is way to political for my head . Now tbe issue is i just binge watched from ep 6 of the haunting of hill house to ep 9.and if i fall asleep i am almost deffinatley having a nightmare , or seing somethimg in the corrner of my room. Justin what should i do

[@paxo666]

Dude, you hit the nail on the head! Kelis v Beyonce in Mortal Kombat, sorted.

[@AvussonSC]

Hi Justin, i heard that another track off her new album was also a little controversial with certain offensive lyrics. That song i believe was credited with eleven writers and nobody stepped in to say "oh actually this is a bad idea". I imagine the 'Kelis-gate' song has a similar number of writers!?

[@deansheppard7630]

On the same subject, and knowing you're a fan, I'd love to hear your take on the whole Bitter Sweet Symphony Allen Klein debacle.

[@stewartking4928]

God damn it man! What are those shade?! Thanks

[@mellewillems]

I wonder. What brand is that tank top? Been looking for some good ones but they’re hard to pin down.

[@DerkuiDerkui]

I subscribed. This guy is just pure awesome.

[@rungren]

Who would someone owe if they sampled "music again", should it be you, or would that be Adam Lambert? Or who should they ask?

[@BrianMoore1]

Would love your take on Canons.

[@BrianMoore1]

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[@andrewentwistle9694]

Justin.. I'd love to hear your take on Up Around The Bend by Creedence Clearwater Revival.. 👍

[@lemmoneye]

There's an organisation started up recently called The Pact, that has a page on Instagram and deals directly with this issue of publishing being stolen. I've had the same problem with Ellie Goulding claiming a share of one of my songs that she was paid a session fee to sing on, before she was well known.

[@davidh3540]

Ultimately, pop, which has always been ‘manufactured’ to some degree, is now just a DAW cut’n’paste pastiche. Worse, everything has to have as few notes and chords as possible and a regular tempo so it can be mixed and remixed without much fuss.

[@clausm2203]

That's one thing, why I'm glad to just be an amateur player and music lover, I'm way too much of a nice guy to be in the music business I mean some of the stories you hear here on KZbin is just crazy hope the darkness have great management

[@kathywilsonofficial]

Hi Justin, I really enjoy your channel! Thank you! Thank you for this video! Anything related to the music industry is helpful to a songwriter trying to decide the best way to share my music with the world once I finish recording my album on my reel to reel.

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

A real funny story to this is I am a singer/songwriter and have been since 1999/2000 but never released an album until 2020 under the artist name RadioSpirit. On my second album coming out in about a month or so there is a song that was originally titled "The Darkness" that I wrote before The Darkness were famous so I changed the song title to "Darkness" as to not conflict.

[@joanjetttributeborntobebad8947]

I wanna see justins wardrobe as does he ever wear the same outfit twice??? Love this channel and Justin

[@rainm9930]

Can you please talk about imagine dragons? They really seem to polarize people and I'd love you opinion on them.

[@krasimiratanasov7301]

Look for Dear Imagine Dragons. I'm Sorry...

[@rainm9930]

@@krasimiratanasov7301 thank you!

[@jedimasterbeta5241]

Justin! Love your channel and music. I think it would be cool to review your own songs in a series. Cheers.

[@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain]

It might come across a bit narcissistic? It's for others to consume!

[@PJF1981]

@@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain I remember Wet, Wet, Wet doing a show on VH1 where they picked their 10 favourite songs. All Wet, Wet, Wet songs. I mean I get it - we all love our own songs - but man, it felt embarrassingly narcissistic.

[@paulwilson6357]

@@PJF1981 I remember once on Radio 2 in a segment called Tracks of My Years, where a singer comes on and is supposed to name several songs which have inspired them, and they had, I think it was Ronan Keating or some other interchangeable chap like that, just name several of his own songs. "Well, I know it's me own song, but I reilly loike that one oi did back in 2004. Could you play that one again, so?"

[@philipmorris57]

@@PJF1981 wank, wank, wank.. Sound's about right, Marti pellow, horribly disagreeable old man 👴

[@jedimasterbeta5241]

Okay maybe “review” was a poor word choice. I was thinking more on the lines of explaining the process of how you and /or your mates came up with a riff, lyrics, writing, composition etc to a specific song. Maybe showing how the different ingredients are put together in a recipe would explain why we love the dish so much.

[@ImYourOverlord]

Copyright stands in effect for a recorded work until 70 years after the last person involved in the creation of that work has passed away.

[@craigdarby1768]

I heard about this happening with CCR and the riff in run through the jungle, the outcome was that you can’t plagiarise yourself. If that’s the case then this is all over nothing. Justin, what are your thoughts on self plagiarism?

[@totallykoolyeah]

"When you steal from yourself, it's called style" - somebody

[@frankshailes3205]

I recall a helluva stink when TV writer Terry Nation used the same script for an episode of The Saint and for The Baron, with a few characters' names altered. No-one noticed in the UK as they were broadcast with an interval of time in between but in the US one station managed to show them both on the same evening, which led to some embarrassment. I wonder if he had to repay half his fee?

[@JDUBYA1025]

Yep. John Fogerty was sued for sounding like CCR’s John Fogerty. Imagine the same guy having similar songs! “Run Through The Jungle” vs “The Old Man Down The Road”.

[@OilCanHarry2U]

I used the chord D7 in a song I wrote …I also used an A7….I also used the word “blue” in the lyrics…plagiarism?

[@skydemolisher]

I do believe she should have been consulted, I dunno how the sample works but with 2 "controversies" in 2 days I can't help but feel its also deliberate to drum up attention to get more sales and to increase the value of those earlier sold hard copy albums that will remain unchanged. Undoubtedly they will have held some back too so they can personally profit from those later sales. Easy to say 1000 advance copies were sold when in reality they released 300, held 700 and will actually sells those on places like Ebay later for higher profits through a series of new "fake" accounts.

[@macfilms9904]

It seems pretty clear - if the 'La-la, LA la' is Kelis' voice, it's an unauthorized sample - but if Pharrell et al wrote 'Milkshake' and own the publishing rights (which seems to be the case) - and they had another vocalist recreate the vocal, it would be theirs to use. In a way, it actually feels like a cool nod to Kelis & the success of Milkshake to include it - a different way to look at it.

[@mpbourke9019]

EXACTLY^^

[@TheRetroScene]

Ok all I can think of,for some reason is John Fogerty (Creedence Clearwater Revival ) court case back in the 90s I think it was . He got sued by his old recorded company for well sounding like himself (early music he wrote) ok point is Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo wrote milk shake and wrote this new song . Ok this is all fucked up . Going to sit back in the corner and listen to my t-Rex albums 😁

[@DocBree13]

👏🏻

[@grantshenton7079]

I think we all need more detail to make a decision . If the sample didn’t feature her voice or her playing any instrument , and the samplers wrote the original sample and probs own the publishing , then is there a case to answer? Genuinely not sure 🤔 You would have to see if a precedent had been set in a previous case methinks .

[@cincymutt]

I dunno, not sure if i can come to a conclusion without all the info. If it's a direct copy/paste of part of a song she performed on (a true sample) I guess she has a point; as long as it's a part she performed on (ie. It involved her singing or playing an instrument, etc.). If it isn't, then Pharrel can do what he wants with the song he wrote, and telling her about the use of a sample would just be a courtesy. Unless she obtained some legal claim to any use of that recording, which I obviously am not privy to.

[@tommichell6250]

Love your vids J-Dawwwg. They just get better and better. UP THE D-ARKNESS 🤘🏽

[@youngandrew66]

In my opinion it sounds pretty similar but not identical. Perhaps a lot of the producers' licks, tunes, 'riffs ' even, just sound like that. take Jeff Lynne for example - everything he does even when collaborating with others, just sounds like Him.

[@theodorbucur7837]

hey justin, could you please put a high-pass filter on the mic, the proximity effect is making my walls tremble :) thanx!

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

1:22 These are similar but not the same. It's really just the percussion that is very similar.

[@shaunharley1532]

Justin, do you think that all musician youtubers shod have their own theme tune?

[@jamiedingwall1819]

I love your content and videos Justin but boy is it infuriating to have to click into the video to find out what it's about. Especially on a TV where you don't get a description.

[@phosphorescentscotsman]

Somewhere there's an attorney getting a tan.

[@kimberleful]

Kelis is also coming from a place of years and years of grievances of the same thing happening over and over from a wrong that was done to her that she's been living with

[@kimberleful]

And everyone in the business always goes this is how its done everyone does it

[@derekm3180]

What was the myspace controversy? I vaguely remember it, but not any of the names

[@substanced7966]

Now I've got "Do it all the time" by "I Don't Know How but They Found Me" stuck in my head again lol

[@TheSquidgal]

John Fogerty had to go to court because his solo material sounded too much like CCR material which he also wrote. Kinda reminds a bit of this.

[@disjanpampoen]

Lola Marsh's Remember Roses sounds a lot like your song Love is not the answer.

[@TheSilverPhoenix356]

Which singer was Justin referencing re MySpace