“The Kevin Durant HATE has GOTTEN TOO FAR”

[@Shemzinho]

KD’s an all time great. But using the game score as the sole reason why he was the driver is foolishness. Mike’s just talking out of his ass

[@homomagii]

Mike is an edit

[@jaycubayo]

As he always does ain’t nothing new Mike Korzemba is garbage 😭

[@xXSonTJXx]

KD fans really trying defend his legacy right now

[@darnellwilliams8783]

xXSonTjXx well you Lequeen James fans cheerleaders do it everyday yall love taling about KD he tore his Achilles a career ending injury he came back balling he was tired from the regular seaon carrying

[@xXSonTJXx]

@@darnellwilliams8783 a lot of assumptions was made here

[@S31KO.]

Ain’t no defending it. KD was puffing his chest out playing stress free ball, with this Brooklyn stint, along with OKC, people are finally coming around.

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

@@darnellwilliams8783 and what are u lmaoo. I could make that argument

[@HBG313]

And dick riders like you are trying desperatly to bring him down. 🤷‍♂️

[@Aegis_Crimson]

In the context of KD's career so far, all we've seen is that the warriors were fine before he was there and they're still going to be fine now that he's gone. All game score really does here is establish KD's status as a great player, but we already knew that. KD has not bern able to get it done as the leader of a team and stats won't change that fact.

[@Evilrocket22]

Fully agree with on that. KD is a great player but hasn't proved he can bring a team to a finals lead by him.

[@bme4449]

@@Evilrocket22 He did it already in 2012 so that is literally false.

[@bme4449]

His career didn't start with the warriors dumb ass

[@ssj-rose4572]

There only fine after what 2 or 3 yrs after he left

[@thewriter8762]

@@ssj-rose4572 that is also a sign of them losing a core member in Klay. When you compare that to Lebron leaving places destitute, Golden State has bounced back tremendously.

[@koyoyoyo1170]

Ty Lue literally said their defensive game plan in the finals was to focus on Curry. No shit kd had better stats.

[@housesuns-kings8480]

yea and people claim kd carried steph and the warriors. lmao no

[@chrissimon3790]

Yep. Just because kd was getting the most stats and scoring the most doesn’t really mean much. Golden state was op and there was almost too many cooks on the kitchen so curry sacrifices his stats by a bit to make kd fit in on the team better. And none of this still matters when it comes to kd leading a team to a ring

[@leaf_862]

Exactly!

[@tomp5744]

@@user-js6ph7tb8f hi kd new burner

[@duck0023]

@@housesuns-kings8480 he did without him they wouldve atleast lost once

[@kaceyrodriguez3053]

KD was being compared to LeBron.. Giannis clearly better last couple years and took torch, many more fans are convinced Curry > KD all time too...if you're only a scorer and lose in playoffs except w/ 73 win team, expect smoke...

[@niganeo1251]

Giannis got one lucky ring before last year they were calling him a choker in the playoffs. Gotta see what he does this year to be considered the best. I still think it’s KD

[@darrelkirtsch6767]

@@niganeo1251 Lucky..? He closed out Suns in 6 dropping a 50 piece and bounced KD himself. You think KD proved more winning w/ GSW lol? Then KD got swept by team GIannis already got a game on

[@edther]

@@niganeo1251 Giannis just got a win over the team that swept KD, and KD has no rings besides the 2 Mickey Mouse rings he got with Curry and the Warriors, but you wanna call Giannis’ a lucky ring? After getting through the east including KD, and then getting through the Suns? Fuck outta here bro KD ain’t even better than Bron rn, let alone Giannis.

[@darnellwilliams8783]

Kacey Rodeiguezol you sound like a Lequeen james fan yall be wating on Kevin Durant to lose from yall keyboard

[@christianr1941]

@@niganeo1251 lol kd was on a one of the best teams of all times while Giannis won a chip on ok team. Kd needs to prove he can win a chip without a team like golden state

[@aaronghunter]

The problem with Game Score is that, as an amalgam of individual metrics, it is heavily dependent upon the team performance, system, and competition. When your co-stars shrink, or the system feeds you, your score will inflate. Two people on a team will struggle to put up high Game Scores in the same game. Also, thirty is a wild cutoff, I'm pretty sure a lot of great, team leading individual performances in wins are in the twenties. This is just my immediate impression, I'm a few minutes into the video.

[@derekmayers-louther]

Not really unless u don’t consider him an All time great

[@Leodoesthings23]

I thought the same thing. 30 is too high, should’ve done 25 , high 20s is considered a great game

[@oephry3253]

Comparing the finals appearances of Curry and KD in 2017, where Curry almost averaged a triple double at 6'3 with 27ppg, and saying there is no contest is crazy. I still think KD deserved finals mvp sure, but Curry played well, and we actually thought he was gonna win it until game 3 where he shot super poorly and ruined his chances. His first 2 games were good though Edit: I mixed up 2018 with 2017, so my bad. But in 2018, until game 3 where Curry played poorly and Kd dropped 43, he was getting that FMVP consideration. So to make it seem like KD was just clearly the best player and running the bus is just not true. Part of the reason he left is because everyone viewed it as Curry's team, and would compare how the team performed without Curry (worse) to without KD (not better but didn't start losing games).

[@thenigeriantrain]

Lol the double teams and Cavs defense plan was to double curry lmfao.

[@thenigeriantrain]

Since if they double kd, it’s over 💀

[@RealCGH]

Curry was doubled like every play during them finals💀💀

[@MRHIMDOWNSTAIRS12]

Okay y’all boasting now lol

[@rayburks7059]

Curry always loses out on fmvp because he has 1 bad game

[@crippledepre9539]

This is why I love this channel. Watched mikes video and was thinking “cap, cap, cap” the whole time but couldn’t say exactly why. Y’all break it down tho lol

[@darrengordon-hill]

Kareem?

[@ThisDude234]

@@darrengordon-hill nah, he meant Steve Rogers

[@legendaryfizz4883]

Lml if u hate KD, just say it bro. Don’t wait for other people’s thoughts to try n validate your own.

[@Vezuls]

KD Having those high game score games with steph actually hurts his case. This guy’s argument is hurting KD’s case LOL. His gamescore was that high bc the gameplan was always for curry, never for KD, and that’s why Kd always had easy looks. The fact is Golden state would have won with ANY decently skilled forward. It just happened to be KD

[@damroll]

I totally agree. KD made the Warriors unbeatable but the Warriors with Harrison Barnes would still have been my favorite to win it all.

[@arjunvivekraj8758]

I think we are missing something here. Steph and Klay had more attention than Durant and that means it’s easier to score, right? Another thing is that when he was focused on we saw that Kevin Durant was dogwater so I don’t want to hear that Steph choked and instead Steph still averaged 27 in the finals with all the attention on him and Kd can’t even get past the first round smh

[@bme4449]

Klay definitely did not have more attention then durant. Curry did not have all of the attention on him because he had kd and klay. You're contradicting yourself. You can "steph and klay got the most attention" if you want BUT that's the reason THE CAVS LOST. YOU DON'T LEAVE KD WIDE OPEN

[@pottstv1357]

As a true kd fan I can say I’ve seen him score over double teams plenty of times. He’s scored 50 while being doubled in the playoffs before. Don’t know what happened this series but y’all just love to hate on kd and let 4 games make you forget about what this man has did in his carrer

[@bme4449]

@@pottstv1357 Everything he does wrong they act like that's his career when that ain't how basketball work.

[@arjunvivekraj8758]

@@bme4449 The cavs left kd open because Steph and Klay were more of a threat…

[@arjunvivekraj8758]

@@pottstv1357 Plus the 2016 breakdown as well and also if y’all are soft and that we can’t criticize your true player that’s your problem lmao

[@whooshbait4161]

Mike and everyone who says the Warriors needed KD don't see the full picture. They could of won with ANY All Star forward. One of the biggest reasons they lost in 2016 was because Harrison Barnes played like trash. Replace him with any All Star and they win in 2017. KD specifically was not needed. Hell, they could of ran it back and won as long as Harrison Barnes plays to his season averages, and that's not even mentioning the suspension or injuries.

[@Chillzchill]

But because KD did go to Golden State, it will only ever be a question, not fact that one team would have win the next couple finals after the 3-1 comeback.

[@bme4449]

Harrison Barnes is not kd. They don't go 16-1 without kd in the playoffs. They don't win in 2017 without kd.

[@bryanfoster326]

It’s just an issue of “what if’s.” Like we never know for sure. I would, and I’m sure most if not everyone would agree that if the Kobe gasol lakers added 2 superstars they’d be an untouchable superstar and cruise to a title, but as we saw, when they added Steve nash and Dwight Howard to that team, they went out in the first round. I can agree the warriors, if they added another all star forward instead of Kevin Durant, would probably have won that 2018 finals, we never quite know with 2017 or 2019 (assuming klay still gets hurt)

[@whooshbait4161]

@@bme4449 So you telling me if they replaced KD with Kawhi, AD or Giannis, the result would of been different? Sure they might not go 16-1, but they still winning the Chip.

[@bme4449]

@@whooshbait4161 I didn't say it would be different. My point is they wouldn't be as impactful.

[@BLee09]

Klay was having another "game 6 klay" type game before he got hurt. That injury took the rest of the fight GSW had.

[@drakevick1646]

Easily the most deflating injury I’d seen this century. Like it’s been a while since I’ve seen a team take THAT MUCH of an emotional hit from losing a player the way that Klay’s did. As great as KD was for the Dubs, it’s completely fair to say that the Klay injury was more damaging to GSW than KD’s. KD would’ve been more impactful if healthy, but as far as damage done BY the injury itself, Klay’s was way more devastating for the Warriors than KD’s

[@bebopman5]

Mike got cooked in his comments for this take 😂 😂

[@darnellwilliams8783]

Gene Machene if it was him defending Lequeen James no one would've said anything

[@bebopman5]

@@darnellwilliams8783 Bruh, no one cares.

[@joshgrant7528]

People criticize KD’s performance without golden state. Mike shows only stats from when he’s at Golden state literally didnt disprove anything.

[@djhoops25]

For the bus driver thing, kd was never a leader except maybe for okc and now on the nets, but Curry was the leader and still is in golden state, leaders fit the role they need to and curry did when kd come into the warriors because he stepped back on scoring so kd could and kd on the warriors was more there just for a guaranteed win because warriors were already contesting for championship without, kd just needs to step and stop acting like it’s not his fault, he has high expectations for a reason

[@bme4449]

Curry was never the leader. The leader of the warriors is draymond. KLAY, KD, AND CURRY HAD TO TAKE A STEP BACK NOT JUST CURRY.

[@greg4880]

By that logic bron wasn't the bus driver in Miami

[@rayburks7059]

@@bme4449 kd didn't stepback kd was kd but now he had more spacing and options to playmake to klay is a spot up him being the 3rd wasn't gonna be a issue cause he isn't ball dominant and Curry had to sacrifice some buckets to let kd eat this worked so well cause the spacing was ridiculous and the splash brothers aren't selfish nor ball dominant also Draymond and Curry are both the leaders i in their own right

[@bme4449]

@@rayburks7059 Not Curry but Draymond is a leader. Could kd score 35 without Curry and Klay yes or no?

[@bme4449]

@@greg4880 Thank you!

[@ubadman1]

the game score metric is very friendly to players that fill a stat sheet. even though the formula is linear when looking at how basketball actually works it is INCREDIBLY difficult to break 30 just becuase of the break down of the formula like you need to attempt a bunch of free throws and make them, get offensive and defensive rebounds and do basically everything. I agree gamscore is a good metric but his cutoff at 30 is way too high. he should be looking at 25 imo.

[@bezllama3325]

Gamescore also used in baseball, it's good for single game performances but nobody in baseball uses it over a large sample size

[@ItsBrosef]

Kevin "if you can beat em join em" Durant

[@ClappedCheeks1.1]

Next Chapter : Beantown

[@tonirivers12345]

It reallllyyy also depends what the warriors would’ve added besides Kevin Durant. History shows us they didnt have difficult adding on great talent and doing great roster building lol.

[@jkp5045]

This is a fact.. AND I MEAN FACT.... Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double last year

[@nachoalvarez7171]

All of a sudden its 2018

[@sebastiansanchez375]

Coming back to this and seeing Sage say “I hope he doesn’t Game-score solo this” and him being right is funny

[@lonelystate2633]

I'm sure there's a valid argument for kd on the warriors but it def wasn't the one Mike was making🤣🤣

[@CDodger24]

There's none. KD on the Warriors is not a necessity but a luxury.

[@jaycubayo]

@@CDodger24 Exactly.

[@bigzubber]

lebron was getting destroyed even though he was injured in 18-19, KD deserves everything he’s getting😂

[@bme4449]

No really. LeBron also sat out when he still had a chance to make the playoffs

[@legendarywiimaster]

@@bme4449 with injury?

[@bme4449]

@@legendarywiimaster He didn't have an injury when they still had a chance to make the playoffs.

[@IrvingDL506]

This all was because of Skip which is a testament to that idiot's influence and reach sadly

[@ClappedCheeks1.1]

Skip is a tumour in society.

[@teeveekeewee2184]

The game score stat may be inherently flawed but it’s almost like a how a weighted forecast for predictions work, where there is a weighted value attributed to each stat to give a sense of how much one person contributed to that particular game. Obviously where it becomes flawed is how much weight you put on to each stat and whether or not you believe one should be valued over the other. Very interesting advanced stat tho and should be messed with more for optimization.

[@futurekillerful]

I think it’s accurate most of the time though. The greatest individual games of all time have a game score that seems to accurately reflect the value of said game.

[@Swolliey]

I agree about mike being too over reliant on game score but some of those games you were pointing out of other players they have 3 or 4 turnovers which that’s 3 or 4 subtracted from all the other stats pretty stupid formula but makes sense (for example that Giannis game you gave he had a game score of 26 but also had 4 turnovers so if you take that into account if he didn’t have those turnovers it would be a 30 game score game)

[@chilledminds_]

Mike really said a whole lot of nothing

[@MrPek-fe9fp]

Just blank screen for 10mins 01secs woulda done same job

[@David-E27]

Win or lose, after what we are seeing Giannis doing against the same Celtics, the "hate" hasn't gone far enough

[@TransparentEclipse]

Korzemba got completely roasted by his entire comment section, this take was universally an L

[@papeza]

I dont know too much about this stat but I've already realised that it values 2s more than it values 3s. For example if someone scored 36 points on 30 shots by only hitting 3s and doing nothing else no assists rebounds steals... that's a gamescore of 19.8 while if someone had 36 points on 30 shots by only scoring two pointers and doing nothing else that's a game score of 22.2

[@j.isbell03]

That's because scoring 36 points on only 30 shots using 2 pointers is more efficient. If you score 36 on 30 shots using 3 pointers only, that's 12/30, which is 40%. The 2 pointers, however, mean you shot 18/30, which is 60%. That's why the gamescore is higher for the 2 pointers; you're more efficient

[@sophiawilliams8650]

@@j.isbell03 you’re not more efficient if it’s taking you the same amount of shots to get there lmao

[@agnaldomarques7948]

@@sophiawilliams8650 😂😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️ 36 points only in 2points are 18/30 from the field 60% 12/30 3PT =36 points 40%fg Dont be dumb

[@sophiawilliams8650]

@@agnaldomarques7948 both are the same ts% lmao you get the same result with the same amount of shots how is this hard to understand

[@j.isbell03]

@@sophiawilliams8650 are you seriously Trying to say 40% and 60% are the same thing? 😂

[@Wokewayne]

i wonder what russell westbrooks highest game score last season considering he averaged a triple double last year…btw russell westbrook averaged a triple double last year

[@MahenS_R]

Y'all might find it funny that Mike said onzo would be Steph with a 40-inch vert but I never hear some of that energy for him saying Marvin Bagley would be the next Kevin Garnett.

[@MahenS_R]

*Lonzo*

[@kindleyfernand4389]

Remember Lonzo Ball: Steph Curry with a 40 inch vertical.😂😂😂

[@Gooordito]

this is why i dont watch mike no more imagine calling a probability a fact

[@ICONOCLAST]

This channel is growing so rapidly and I really love the content. You guys are a great duo good stuff!

[@datkid14x]

The thing nobody talks about is in 2017 and 18 finals the cavs actually did double and trap steph and that what kept the games close so they stuck with it till the warriors schemed around it that’s why steph numbers took a dip

[@TheAdidasKnifer]

Its going be a long summer for KDs burner account and tweets now

[@T.H.E.O.R.Y.]

Nah his main account 🤣

[@nerdyplayer4699]

Of course KD had great stats and gamescore on those final games.. He had 2 other greatest shooter of all time in his roster and warriors could've won the 2016 finals as well if draymond didnt get ejected and injuries occured.. The 73-9 wins in regular season just shows u how good the roster is prior KD joining them the longer i watch that vid i felt like Curry gets disrespected.. U cant calculate how dangerous that man is on the court by numbers alone

[@Stephen246666]

Idk why the least respected advanced stats(PER, win shares, and Game score) are the main ones that are used on youtube. All-in-one stats have flaws in general, but the better ones(epm, pipm) at least try to approximate non-boxscore impact. The best advanced stats are ones that use play-by-play data so they don't have as much historical record. The best one that is purely from the boxscore is probably bpm as it tries to use the boxscore to approximate RAPM

[@sebastiansanchez375]

Adjusted BPM in my opinion is better than BPM as your BPM can be inflated depending on who’s on the floor with you and who’s on the floor when you’re off.

[@RandyP570]

I mean the only major downside to game score is the same as most advance stats, and that's the fact it can't calculate basketball intangibles. If it isnt a Stat that's tracked than gamescore won't reflect it. But with that being said I think gamescore is one of the most valid advanced stats

[@justcameron6805]

using “fact” and “likely” in the same sentence 😂

[@notjasmine1524]

ever since mike said lonzo was “steph curry with a 40 inch vertical” meme or not, his opinion on basketball has meant zero to me

[@EmmanuelAniTheSchism]

The saddest part about this video is that I said that the Cavs literally only wanted to double Steph Curry KD fans lost their shit 😂 even though it's correct. Katie might have been the best player, but he wasn't the "bus driver"

[@sakarilawrence6342]

That’s cap

[@EmmanuelAniTheSchism]

@@sakarilawrence6342 INCORRECT. THE Cavs coach at the time literally said it

[@sakarilawrence6342]

@@EmmanuelAniTheSchism watched the entire series and seen KD being double teamed by RJ Tristan Thompson and even Kevin Love and also Lebron

[@EmmanuelAniTheSchism]

@@sakarilawrence6342 and yet he statistically had the most one on one coverage in those series comparatively. Again, you're arguing but there's page one google evidence bro

[@sakarilawrence6342]

@@EmmanuelAniTheSchism but how do you know if the 1 on 1 produced scoring or the 2 on 1 produced scoring how do you know if they stopped him while double teaming or not double teaming? Oh that’s right watch the games

[@nate5914]

He is literally more protected then hated

[@bme4449]

No tf he's not. You telling me he got no hate in 2016? STOP IT.

[@joesphpatterson9272]

Cap🧢

[@oephry3253]

My favorite thing on the planet is hearing SOLZ say, "ayo" lmao

[@Linmus]

What Mike did in his video is what I've seen alot of people do for Kyrie. Which is almost find a way to discount their teammates with prior championship experience and give them an overwhelming share of the credit for winning.

[@goatman380]

Yeah they do the same thing with Lebron and curry. Fan base need to learn to take the L and hope for better the next season.

[@kjhawkins2609]

@@goatman380 exactly

[@Linmus]

@@goatman380 I can't agree about Steph, but that's only because I've seen the exact opposite. But another player that I would put in that category is Kawhi, or even Jimmy Butler.

[@officialconch]

GAME SCORE CONTEXT: (Definition: Stats that benefit the team contribute positively towards GmSc. Missing shots, committing fouls, and turning the ball over hurts your GmSc.) I think the stat can be great if it’s used in certain contexts, but basically, if you’re in the game and you are a complete no show, your game score will not suffer for it. We saw that KD was a NO SHOW for several games in the Boston series, so it doesn’t prove shxxt for him.

[@darkpenguinn9386]

i’ve never liked Mike Korzemba. He either posts videos on stories that are really random or provides poor takes with bad explanations for blockbuster topics. Don’t see myself ever watching his videos really ever again…

[@professionalmeatbeater6983]

I don’t watch him anymore but In his prime probably the goat nba KZbinr

[@XxdoublekillxX2]

I couldn’t wait for someone to react to that video because I thought I was going dumb for a sec and he was making sense and I just didn’t understand

[@MrBonzeMedal]

KD is a guy with all-time individual talent. But he just hasn’t shown that he can be the engine to bring a team to a championship as the head and shoulders best player. He’s an amazing asset and the most malleable player I’ve ever seen.

[@bme4449]

He has 3 times. So that fact that people like you keep holding this over his head makes zero sense.

[@MrBonzeMedal]

@@bme4449I’m not denying his greatness. He’s Top 5 in the league for me right now. He’s Top 15 maybe even on the cusp of Top 10 all time. But when you’re comparing all-time greats, you gotta nitpick specifics. And I think you can pick holes in KD’s resume that would put him outside of the Jordan, LeBron, Magic tier

[@thewriter8762]

@@bme4449 he did it once. I’ll give you the year he went to the Heat but when you talk about the Warriors years, you are talking about a system where you have a lineup of another superstar, an all star, and an engine. KD is great but you realize the issue you have when you got a team like that? You can’t double or else a deadly shooter is open. The Celtics keyed on him and shut him down in important games.

[@womar8]

@@MrBonzeMedal By that logic steph is a bus rider than cause he has yet to win a chip as the clear cut best player on the court.🤦🏽‍♂️

[@womar8]

@@thewriter8762 KD has been consistently great in the postseason the fact that you guys are holding onto one series out of dozens of series that he has played in throughout his career, sounds like your just hating if anything else. Like it or not KD was the best player on goldenstate and they won twice. It’s silly that the guy that walked out with 2 finals mvps gets less credit than everyone else for their wins.

[@MahenS_R]

Mike is really out here trynna be the new Kareem and Wilt beef referring to one stat.

[@DigigodGamer]

GSW never needed KD they needed him off the OKC

[@weneedhim526]

kd should have joined maybe the rockets or maybe clippers, or have westbrick traded, don't know if its enough to win a chip

[@bme4449]

@@weneedhim526 Why would you go to a team that isn't gonna give you the best chance?

[@bme4449]

They needed each other.

[@CaswellWoodruff]

@@bme4449😂

[@bullsftw2014]

When Sage starts yelling my phone speakers go super saiyan, they straight up reach decibel levels I didn't even know was possible on a mobile device

[@ihateshitting1575]

If kd has 0 haters that just means I must be dead

[@tooforwon241]

React to Jxmy's video too. He uses Gamescore and juxtaposes it with net rating in a distorted X-Y graphic to downplay how bad KD's playoff performance was compared to other greats' historically bad performances. So misleading considering how this stat really elevates scoring over everything else. Points have more weight in that formula than assists, rebounds, and blocks. Turnovers have as much weight as points & steals. It's inherently flawed to primarily rely on this stat in any argument. And it's a shame that these big NBA KZbinrs are misleading us with them

[@EJ-jw9ow]

The 2017 Finals...where Ty Lue's (well documented) ENTIRE GAME PLAN was to trap Steph off every ball screen & auto double team in the corners & have JR faceguard off-ball & just make Steph the unequivocal & unprecedented #1 focus of the defensive game plan.... and *thats* your main argument for Kevin Durant's greatness? Interesting. I actually kinda look at it as an argument for how much scarier Steph is to opposing defenses than KD. But hey, 30+ game score.

[@marcusplenty1153]

Agreed, but hey tween hesi splash

[@Chigz10]

Luka's GameScore is heavily inflated by the fact that he's a guard that gets rebounds so they count for more. It's just a way of adding up box score stats, which is why KD has crazy scores playing with the Warriors who were a 73-9 team without him, he was filling up the stat sheet

[@Grandmaster_Vic]

I always knew KD wasn’t the leader like Lebron is but I’m not gonna say he never carried a team, last years playoffs was a great example where dude played every minute of every game while his 2 co stars where hurt or playing with one leg and he was a big toe away of taking the nets to the conference finals. This year was disaster for the nets due not having the time to really gel as a collective group and to be comfortable in their roles. I don’t like the narrative of KD looking like a scrub who just rode a easy ring where KD still had to perform the way he does in order to get those rings remember.

[@bme4449]

LeBron is a better leader then kd? No.

[@drcheesepuff3805]

I mean that’s what he did tho, he joined a stacked warriors team and won 2 easy rings where he could’ve played ass and still would’ve won. Of course he would perform amazing on the warriors when you have all the attention on curry and not KD. Besides 2012 he hasn’t proved he can carry a team or even win as the undisputed main option. Him and kyrie have chemistry already they both just played ass and got swept. The last time he got to the Conference finals without GS was in 2016 and he underperformed there too. He’s accomplished as much as James harden has without GS and he almost denied them of a ring in 2018. Even last year he had a chance but he choked in OT. So nah bro KD is not him

[@drcheesepuff3805]

@@bme4449 huh?

[@shizzleshareef]

Thank you. An actually nuanced take amongst a sea of overreaction. Did the Nets get smoked? Definitely. Did KD look awful for 3 of those games? Absolutely. Is KD a "leader"? No and he never was. That being said. Is KD still one of the best offensive players of all time? Yes. Will KD still be a top 10 player in the NBA next season? Yes. Is KD still a top 25 NBA player of all time? Yes. It was 4 games people. Stop trying to discredit this mans entire career off 4 games.

[@drcheesepuff3805]

@@shizzleshareef I mean when you get swept in the first round playing horrible for three of those four games and your whole career predicates on your success from being on a stacked team then ya it’s time to start looking back on what he’s done without GS.

[@CWZimba]

That Bryan Solis 'mmmmmmm' hits different

[@user-jt1dc1pl3e]

they didn't neeeed KD bruh. They could of ran it back or added a role player and won the chip. They would of won in 2016 anyways if Draymond didn't punch Lebron in the nuts

[@lebronjames4310]

Bro the fact that kd had to avg 35/8/6/1/1.6 on 55/50/92 splits to get a 30.3 gs is insane

[@Sttuer]

That Kd pack will continue to b smoked🚬😈

[@darnellwilliams8783]

Jeremy Jones you sound like you kove with your mom

[@Arturo_Kilgore_Morgan]

And now they won without KD. Wild af that if Steph was swept in round 1 and kd won his fans would want to switch the narrative

[@cactusobsidian]

The boy Mike lost me on this one.(very weak argument)

[@larryroby8239]

Lol these vidoes are great. just need to put the volume down, because this mane Sage is killin niggas' eardrums lol

[@constanttco7509]

Not even a kd fan but these “washed” “had yall fooled” takes definitely gonna age like milk

[@CaswellWoodruff]

It was your take that has aged like milk

[@efrainmendez8130]

Thank you so much for commentating on this video cuz when I originally watched it i was confused too and could tell he’s using these stats to try and uplift KD. The only thing that wouldve made this better is a real discussion with Mike cuz i swear on this video dude was tweaking

[@txmclips7289]

I think Mike was trying to argue that KD WAS the best player and "bus driver" on the Warriors and communicated it poorly

[@hibiki8473]

I think big issue is he took bus driver as something that most aren't taking it as. Cause the way Barkley talked about it was more about leadership and being the main guy. Even with the KD warriors. Steph was the leader of the team let's be honest Durant was the better player. But I mean curry was the leader of the warriors before and now the home grown talent etc.....

[@cell2raw604]

He wasn’t tho 😅

[@txmclips7289]

@@hibiki8473 Well in the FULL clip from that episode of Inside Kenny asked Chuck "You don't think he was the best player on that team?" and Chuck said he wasn't.

[@hibiki8473]

@@txmclips7289 I mean chuck doesn't but a lot of people would say he was. But leading a team is more then just being the best scorer like KD is amazing but man ain't no leader

[@txmclips7289]

@@hibiki8473 I agree. KD isn't a great leader, but on the court (in terms of pure basketball talent) i'm sure it's not a hot take to say he was best player on that Warriors team.

[@charlesleeray5055]

Been waiting to hear yalls take on this video

[@tashaem1]

KD was a glorified spot shooter on those Warrior teams. Not like he almost ever got double teamed, as no team could afford to do that with Steph, Kay and Draymond around.

[@Ap1mpnamestepbak]

😂must watched a different team

[@darnellwilliams8783]

tashaem spokenuke a true Lequeen James fanboy

[@Joe-96X4E]

Most people don't know shit about basketball

[@thetruth619ful]

@@Ap1mpnamestepbak deadass just scrolled up after reading that comment I'm done

[@kuhfusskatsadventures]

Is this a serious comment? Hope not

[@doxo9597]

I think the thing about “it’s a fact they probably would not have won more titles” is that the “fact” isn’t about “not winning” (which would make the sentence completely false like you said) but rather that the “chances of not winning being low” is a fact, which I don’t know where he got that stat but the sentence does make sense logically. It’s like saying “it’s a fact that there’s a 50-50 probability of getting heads when flipping a coin”.

[@angelob2375]

Nah nah. If KD “the best player in the world” than he deserves to be slandered like the best player in the world 😈

[@chrisjoseph3883]

I like how he did the secondary stars with only klay and draymond but act like Steph wasn’t also on that team……. Like that’s the whole point why people labeled it a super team !!!!

[@titans360ify]

It’s not too far , just starting to look like KD needed the bay more than they needed him

[@bme4449]

Not really. And once again this season. There's three stars on Golden State.

[@housesuns-kings8480]

@@bme4449 they all drafted them tho. dray, steph, poole, klay all drafted. and none were top 5 picks

[@bme4449]

@@housesuns-kings8480 Wiggins, Curry, draymond were the all stars. Not poole or klay. It doesn't matter if they're drafted or not.

[@housesuns-kings8480]

@@bme4449 poole and klay are proven stars. also drafting shws warriors excellenceso you cant be like they didn't do stuff to get here

[@bme4449]

@@housesuns-kings8480 Klay ain't been doing shit in the playoffs. Idk hear that he's proven. He's average in the playoffs. Wiggins also is a proven star.

[@pimpinb11]

“Great teams VS bad defenses” - let’s be honest, if you go by this criteria, there are sooo many players we praise we’d have to criticize.

[@aznpikachu215]

KD took the shortcut for his two rings. Now he's struggling with Irving and the Nets. So he'll have to live with it.

[@Sutidamuskun]

*Short explanation:* Game Score HEAVILY weighs in favor of efficient, high level scoring & offensive production. *Longer explanation:* 😅 It's really NOT as holistic as ppl suggest. The formula penalizes FT MISSES but doesn't credit FT makes (it technically does by giving crediting your points, but it fails to account for you giving the other team a foul; ironic cause the formula penalizes your own fouls...). This means getting to the line a ton, another form of efficient scoring, isn't actually rewarded, jusy penalized when u miss. So somebody like James Harden prolly doesn't have a lot of absurdly high gamescore games (I'm assuming). Also, it penalizes high volume attempts....but NOT whether or not you missed the shot...? (Thats fundamentally not how basketball works). It also only uses steals & blocks to talk about defense, but weighs a steal as more impactful than a block and uses no other defense metrics. Very biased in favor of efficient high volume scoring, hence why CP3's 22pt 11ast 1TO game in the vid didn't have a 30 GmSc

[@kdubbss0583]

This is gonna be a little long; I think we all can agree that KD struggled against Boston, and the sweep is obviously not good, but some of this takes are so bad bruh. Like, I could point out how some NBA “fans” will hold certain players on so high of a pedestal, that when they don’t meet THEIR expectations, now they’re trash but I digress. Again, some of these takes: since when is KD a bum? Since when did KD just fall out of the top 5 of current players? Hell, many claimed he isn’t even top 20! Like, What!? If that ain’t recency bias I don’t know what is. Even if you want to argue a list of that caliber can be fluid, I don’t believe you. Before GS, KD was elite. Constantly between him and LeBron. He won a MVP in a time when you could agrue LeBron could’ve won it, in a Western Conference with the still dominant Spurs, up and coming GS, a steady Clippers team, and the Harden led Rockets. Not making excuses, just adding context. And the Thunder were consistently in at least the second round of the playoffs or the WCF, unless he and or Westbrook were hurt. And granted, the GS move was weak, and if you want to hold that against him forever, fine. But don’t act like he was just twiddling his thumbs on a free ride. Dude balled out, and was balling out in the first 6 minutes of the 2019 finals until he got hurt, which I distinctly remember people clamoring for him to remember if GS had any shot of winning. Funny how that has been forgotten. AND let’s not forget these these two seasons (2020 he was hurt all year so it doesn’t count), where he was literally a toe of the line away from beating the championship winning Bucks without Kyrie and a hobbled Harden. And in 2021, he missed significant time due to a MCL sprain that dropped them several spots in the standings. Again, he didn’t play well, granted. Should he be criticized for the performance? Absolutely. But is he a bum because of one bad playoff series? Absolutely not. That’s why the hate is ridiculous.

[@iancoelho2198]

I agree. Its all very prisoner of the moment. The one thing that seems odd to me is the revisionist history on his fmvps and now all of sudden theyre getting bashed. Im not a nets fan i could care less i just think its odd

[@CaswellWoodruff]

The bum shit is too far but people hold him to the highest of standards bc he’s considered to be one of the best if Steph had a rly bad game people will criticize him rightfully so once again with these what ifs yeah he almost won against the bucks and yeah he played great for 4 quarters but let’s not forget how he played In overtime game on the line he didn’t deliver outside of golden state he has accomplished one trip to the finals and a couple conference finals same as James harden he’s not on the same level when it comes to winning games that matter and winning chips like some of the greats what’s the point of putting up 50 points just to finish poorly and lose the game he’s been getting a pass for long enough

[@3TooWonder]

The irony about this video, is that I believe Charles Barkley has the HIGHEST single gamescore of all time 😂😂😂

[@3ampremiere]

I'll defend KD.. are we taking in we're using recency bias to forget he is coming back from an achilles tear most people didnt think he'd come back from? Let alone perform this well? Or that he was an mvp candidate mid way through this season?

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

A lot of these guys takes they’ve been saying for years. They have the receipts too sooo

[@Grandmaster_Vic]

He was MVP at the time Lebron was considered the best player in the world and at that season he was out dueling him throughout every meeting, I remembered KD was being guarded by Lebron and even he couldn’t stop him

[@3ampremiere]

@@eghoseisiramen1892 dont get me wrong I been critical of him since joining the warriors and his legacy is rightfully being looked at different because of it but we cant act like he was top 3 if not top 2

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

@@Grandmaster_Vic curry can’t guard Kyrie. Would u say kyrie is the better player? No. And the year that KD got his mvp is well deserved but I could argue that voters fatigue played a role

[@bme4449]

@@3ampremiere His legacy is not being rightfully looked at. Y'all don't pay attention to shit he does. Y'all wait until he loses and then you say "you see."

[@tyd7540]

I’ve been saying this about kd for years . And I’ve been “hating” this whole time

[@4ktrelaxkk465]

A LOT of people forget the raptors were up 3-1 against steph, klay and draymond

[@ClappedCheeks1.1]

Wasnt Klay hurt? Im sorry if i am wrong.

[@4ktrelaxkk465]

@@ClappedCheeks1.1 klay got hurt in game 6

[@Shemzinho]

Klay got hurt in game 2 as well which is why he missed game 3

[@ClappedCheeks1.1]

@@4ktrelaxkk465 thats right! Thank you.

[@weneedhim526]

raps still win if klay was healthy in my opinion, but not if the whole warriors team is healthy with kd

[@kuatolives6190]

what is this giant pumpkinhead staring at me in the vidcap

[@MOCskoden]

So between Chauncey Billups and Ben Wallace on the 04 Pistons, who was the bus driver?

[@TransparentEclipse]

Billups

[@udithsethu552]

Billups

[@Sutidamuskun]

3:42 BSOLZ A COMPUTER SCIENCE MAJOR TOO??? AYYYY LETS GOOOO🥳

[@IKBanksI]

Who cares about KD. Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double

[@ClappedCheeks1.1]

We smoking that Westbrick too

[@tristancampbell4941]

D@mn, in the Cancun sand? Now that's that dedication

[@IKBanksI]

@@tristancampbell4941 you’re new here huh

[@tristancampbell4941]

@@IKBanksI No, I get it

[@rafaeldrang2924]

They forgot Damian lillards game score

[@Ceph.]

KD rings are invalid

[@juliansearcie1758]

no there not .that's stupid ..those championships are legit nobody cheated scandals

[@ClappedCheeks1.1]

Not invalid just not that impressive.

[@bme4449]

@@ClappedCheeks1.1 35 a game is that impressive.

[@ClappedCheeks1.1]

Its very impressive. Just not that impressive with HoF teammates in their prime.

[@theasylum1949]

KD's legacy is set in stone . one bad series does not tarnish it

[@Mektek19]

The media just creates shit narratives lol. What is driving the bus? I would say being the best player on the team and winning FMVP is definitely driving the bus. Like why would Curry get more credit because it's "his team", but he played second fiddle on his own team lol. Also in 18 KD was literally trying to help Curry get FMVP and he still couldn't get it.

[@HaissamM]

FMVP is a pretty bullshit metric to use because it is highly narrative driven. Like cmon Iguadala was not the FMVP and we all know it

[@justsomedudewithnoneck8329]

Are you slow because you can’t just hop on a random bus and say your the bus driver meanwhile he had his own bus a great bus that can make it to the destination but he crash to join a better bus

[@justsomedudewithnoneck8329]

Plus bus driver mean leader and kd didn’t lead the warriors and you know that same way lebron had the best stats on heat but wade was the leader

[@bme4449]

@@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 YOU CAN AVERAGE 35 AND GET A FINALS MVP AND SAY YOU WERE THE BUS DRIVER WHICH IS WHAT KD DID.

[@bme4449]

@@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 It doesn't matter who tf the leader was. Whoever the best player was matters.

[@bobmcgriddle5504]

18:16 the 2015-2016 season GS ran themselves ragged and won a staggering 73 games and were exhausted when the playoffs came around. That's what changed they won less games to preserve stamina.

[@jacktheripper6747]

Kd didn't have a competant team and just like other top players they struggle

[@TheTyranex]

Counterpoint- kd constantly advocated for moves that would assure the nets would never be a complete team

[@jacktheripper6747]

@@TheTyranex counter point he is not the gm

[@bme4449]

@@TheTyranex That literally makes no damn sense.

[@awesomew4321]

Best player on a team that already has championship pedigree . When it was up to him and Westbrook he shit his fucking draws.

[@MicrowaveWalrus]

thx 4 the laughs

[@AR-en6qx]

This is the same mike who scrutinize kd when he goes to warriors.

[@zionthedon7745]

Gamescore is basically just box score watching.

[@Dontpayattention88]

It’s funny how he didn’t put steph as a costar for KD when showing all the others

[@ibrahimbashir6780]

"Fact" and "very likely" don't go together at all lol

[@realsausageroll]

The 73-9 Warriors literally had the best offensive rating in the league and the fifth best defense in the league. And you're telling me they dont get rings without KD

[@zcarecro]

I cant take advanced stats too seriously because they don't really show anything about how good a player is, eye test the most important to me

[@precision_peter684]

I stopped watching Mike like 5 years ago and after watching this I'm not going back 😂