The Klingon Fleet Analysis | Star Trek Ships

In this video, we will be looking at the different Klingon ships and comparing which one is the strongest. We will be looking at the D5 , D6, D7, B'rel, Vo’n’talk, K'vort, Vor’cha and Negh’var. What kind of weapons and defenses do they have and why are they stronger than each other.
*Correction: In the video I said DX, I meant NX.
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[@bodhisattva9190]

The Klingon Bird-of-Prey hands down is still the coolest looking ship in Star Trek

[@DangerousParent]

I may not agree with it being "The coolest ship in Star Trek," but it is one bad ass death machine🤨😘

[@CaneMcKeyton]

You forgot to mention how Gowron's flagship had those two gargantuan siege cannons on the underside of the ship

[@Spino2Earth]

The Vor'cha class is my favorite Klingon starship!

[@kght222]

using a bird of prey against someone in bridge commander was always hilarious, you put yourself into a zone they don't have any weapons that can hit, hammer in until they manage to start to be able to hit back, and go into cloak. rinse and repeat. didn't matter how big the enemy ship was, they just couldn't hit you, and you had a very fun day to live.

[@artembentsionov]

Minor correction: only a direct subordinate may challenge their superior and only if there are grounds for it. It’s pretty much how a lower-decker was able to become a captain. After the captain killed his first officer during a challenge, the lower-decker managed to get in the captain’s good graces and get himself named the first officer. Then he found out the captain was a dishonorable petaQ, challenged and killed him, taking command

[@Janoha17]

It's Terrans who have a "anyone can challenge/assassinate their superior and take their position" doctrine.

[@artembentsionov]

@@Janoha17 actually, if a lowly Terran ensign kills the captain, he just moves up one rank, just like everyone else

[@toomanyaccounts]

the challenger still has to be popular among the crew otherwise they will get assassinated

[@igncom1]

I see it as a safety mechanism for a culture that prioritises and honours those who serve their commanders or lords. If your lord is a risk to the group, then you are honour bound to remove them. Otherwise even if you were physically better then your lord there would be little reason to or even a risk to do so.

[@etsequentia6765]

@@Janoha17 What an ugly, uncalled for generalization. Correct and accurate, but ugly.

[@richardmartin3243]

When Jane way and the voyager came home the technology that she had what did the federation do with it

[@Marcus51090]

Stripped it out, including the borg sensors, refitted the intrepid to a battleship spec….. stupid I know

[@Yroko]

@@Marcus51090 i wouldve gone full balls to the walls in trying to break it all down and upgrade phasers to what the borg use or at lest try to get that far, same with adaptive shielding. Then try to make torpedoes past the quantum if possible. Doing this would undoubtedly progress the sciences and technology levels. Better sensors and medical, engineering using transworp etc.

[@Chris-rp9df]

They have top men working on it right now

[@RA10H56]

@@Chris-rp9df 😀

[@gamepada]

Accord to novel, those torpedo are design for borg and it is not any stronger then regular torpedo

[@lexwaldez]

What the Klingon fleet really needs is a large fleet of small, fast, cheap and easy to build ships with tiny crews of elderly, experienced Klingon warriors. The ships would be cloaked, suicide ships built to penetrate defenses quickly and take out capital ships. Cheap and easy to build. Older Klingons get to Stovokor. Even the odds against any enemy? Win - win - win.

[@Feril1]

Problem with that is almost all Klingon ships are house owned, that's why a lot of the same "design" is so different across the fleet. It's why we have so many variants of the bird of prey. But the idea is worthy of a warrior!

[@outlawedTV88]

@@Feril1 I am sure Worf wud agree!

[@roguerifter9724]

Of the ships listed the K'vort is definitely my favorite. I've always preferred small or mid-size ships to the big ones. I still prefer the F5 and F6 ships from the Starfleet Battles and first two Starfleet Command games though,

[@tomk3732]

Notice that bird of pray is kind of large ship for a tiny crew of 12. The next ship is 400! There should be something in between.

[@michelecastellotti9172]

I cant wait for the Minbari fleet honestly

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

I'm a proud Klingon Admiral. 😎🍷 Bloodwine for all!

[@flyingtiger4808]

Qapla, Admiral!

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@flyingtiger4808 Well, this is qurky.... Our Alliance is [AVG] Flying Tigers. Server 34...😲

[@flyingtiger4808]

@@WALTERBROADDUS I be damned. Is it a milsim group for Arma?

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@flyingtiger4808 Star Trek k Fleet Command. I'm the Admiral of a team of 40 since 2019.🖖🏻

[@shanenolan8252]

Thanks. You had me with the title. ( happy holidays)

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

Happy Holidays!! 🎅

[@spaceexpireaudio666]

The term Klingon Defence force always amuses me, 99% of time they`re like Attack force😀 It`s also not surprising they could develop ships on par with others. Not every single Klingon is warrior, so... Next, D5 having cloaking device? Impossible, in ENT era none of them had. They bargained that tech somewhere around TOS time. All in all nice, I think Klingon ships are the most well thought in Star Trek, we see a variety of different classes in every era, almost like the Federation

[@alanmike6883]

Like how the defiant class is called a escort when really it's a warship

[@Tricky_Adventures]

Old Klingon Proverb: The best defense is a glorious offense

[@drewjackson3858]

I assumed the term defense fleet was propaganda to refer to all the rebellions, clan uprisings, and civil wars we never see that the emporer has to defend against. I mean, would you want to get subjugated by a race that ate gagh? You'd probably have to eat it too.

[@alanmike6883]

@@drewjackson3858 Id rebel if I'd have to eat that.. Lol

[@spaceexpireaudio666]

@@drewjackson3858 As i recall gagh is considered as a delicacy, so that`s unlikely haha

[@revolcane]

I would add that the Negh'var had seige disruptors on two pylons under the wings granted they stopped using them, mostly to bash space stations. Vor'cha can be fitted with different heads for better sensors or better weapons. A normal Vor'cha wing (4 Vor'cha) would have 4 ships not looking the same.

[@Boolag01]

Oh shit, on first pass I read Seige as beige

[@AtlantiansGaming]

@@Boolag01 DEAR HOLY GOD not the beige cannons!

[@Romulan112]

Yes, exactly, go to battle against several Vor'cha's and its like fighting different ships.

[@ciscoduncan1490]

K’Plaa!! Thank you for the video! 🖖🏾

[@OmegaOrdained]

Right on Brother! Merry Christmas 😎👍

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

Marry Christmas!!! 😁

[@OmegaOrdained]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 and a happy new year 😎🖖

[@buick1955]

The real reason Romulans used Klingon ships . After the second season of Star Trek it was going to be canceled . People who work on the set started taking souvenirs . One was the Romulans ship used in the first season . Star Trek was given a 3 season and the episode The Enterprise incident . Not wanting to spend money on a new ship they used the old Klingon ship and the legend was created ..

[@katherineberger6329]

That's only partly true, though. The Romulan ship was owned directly by its model maker, Wah Chang, and he took it with him when he left the show.

[@buick1955]

@@katherineberger6329 Didn't he start a 80's new wave band ?

[@tsdobbi]

The funny thing is, particularly with ships in star trek, the "real reason" for anything more often than not links to something in the real world as opposed to intended narrative. It wasn't until the late 90's that DS9 and Voyager even had fully transitioned to CGI. The models were apparently really expensive and took forever to build. So alot of decisions regarding appearances of ships were generally more practical as opposed to narrative driven.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@katherineberger6329 The reason he left the show is because the prop-makers union ratted him out, and then forced Desilu to not even pay him for work completed. When he tried to join the union they rejected for dubious reasons. It was actually pretty clear to Desilu and Bob Justman that the reason was racism against Chang for being of Chinese descent.

[@artembentsionov]

The Enterprise was NX class, not DX class

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

Did I really say DX. What a shame. Lol. Thanks for the catch. 😁

[@artembentsionov]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 no biggie. Not trying to be nitpicky

[@user-yj3kn4fe7h]

I don't think that as of the post Praxis era the Klingon Empire had any technological superiority over the UFP other that the cloaking device. And that's only because the Treaty of Algeron prevents them from using or developing cloaking technology.

[@aaroncortright9860]

actually the Negh' var class is not that maneuverable compared to any of the other Klingon vessels but it doesn't have to be it is very heavily armored and shielded and has a huge amount of weaponry. squadrons are as follows by ship type: 1 to 2 Negh' var class, 1 to 2 Vor'cha class, 4 B'rel class, 4 K'vort class, 6 K'tanga/ D-7 class. also while the ships serve in the K.D.F . they are most loyal to the various houses. each house usually having it's own fleets.

[@origami83]

Great video and i love the Klingons! The episodes that shed more light on their culture are some of the best. The one thing i never could really understand is how a race that clearly has a disdain for science and technology has managed to build such a advanced fleet to go toe to toe with the romulans and the federation.

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

They probably gained their technology by conquering other races/planets. 🤷‍♂️

[@origami83]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 Well to reach other planets they would first need the technology ;)

[@85Zeroangel]

In an Enterprise episode, a Klingon layer explaind that all Klingons see battle as a way to live. The layers see the arguing in court as a battle to win, the same would be doctors, engineers and scientists. But he also explained that this was an old way of thinking, and now only the military was counted as the right way to be a true Klingon. Might explain why their society stagnated.

[@jamesfoland5072]

The Klingons got their tech when they fought the Hur'q. Who invaded the Klingon home would. From there the spread out fighting and building an empire as a form of protection.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@jamesfoland5072 warp drive tech. other tech the klingons did develop

[@EnsignRedSquad]

I always felt the D7 looked like a long-necked sombrero hat. Not very threatening. The B’Ruel was a nice upgrade.

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

Now I can't unsee that...

[@RA10H56]

Wow! I see it!

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form provided on this format and subject matter on and about the Imperial Klingon fleet and their various types of war ships and vessels on there abilities, movabilities and duties as per their weapon systems, shields, speed and so forth and so on, A job very nicely well done as always guys!,👌.

[@t.r.2283]

We are a proud warrior race and honor means everything. And at the same time. We hide in cloak fields like cowards. Something does not seem right.

[@alanmike6883]

Only way to get on their good side is to show strength and celebrate in victory, but you should be careful about getting drunk on blood wine 😂

[@johnshep293]

D5 ship (Enterprise era) didn't have a cloaking device. Klingons didn't trade for that tech with Romulans until TOS.

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

True, but I'm listing their modern fleet where everything is retrofitted/updated.

[@jamesrose1460]

K'Tinga's have 8 disruptor cannons..4 primary hull..(2 underside of the large deck in forward section..and 2 at either side of the aft Primary topside)....and 4 cannons on the secondary hull...2 top..two bottom. It was reported that all 8 cannons could fire to the front...but the 2 on the aft primary...would not be able to clear the "Command Pod" for direct firing forward...but could be aimed forward if the ships attitude was nose down. (Might also explain the "6 disruptor cannon data...which you now see was in error.) I built a K'Tinga class for SFB...using the 2 gen X Ship as a staring point. Even developed a "house rule" that the Advanced design of these Disruptor cannon allowed them to fire with a focused beam...allowing them to be treated as "Phasers" in game for purposes of firing at Drones, Shuttles & Plasma Torpedoes...using the disruptor torpedo tables for each beams damage. (Not perfect...but worked to allow tgese beasts to defend themselves against weapons that were only reduced by phasers)

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

I see the K't'inga Class as the Klingon's Excelsior Class. A design that through regular upgrades has lasted 100 years and while no longer cutting edge functions well as the backbone of the fleet. I can also see both classes as being somewhat of an unknown when encountered by adversaries (sure it's old, but after decades of upgrades no two are the same - what can this one do?).

[@taliawtf6944]

You would see something akin to hospital ships in the KDF but they would be ran by a vassal nation within the empire not by the KDF proper. Both fans and writers tend to forget the Klingon's have an entire empire made up not just Klingons but other species they have either conquered or who joined the empire willingly. They give resources and services to the empire and typically they are left to self govern more or less as the Klingons are more interested in the next conquest which is why the Federation had such a rivalry with the empire in the TOS era as it was like the the NATO and Warsaw pact during the cold war which is the inspiration for the two loosely. Shame in the newer trek you have very little of this level of thought put into anything anymore.

[@artembentsionov]

Was the Romulan exchange ever canonized? At this point official canon states that Klingons developed cloak on their own (possibly after studying the tech of that race from ENT), specifically by the House of T’Kuvma

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

I dont know if it's cannon or not. I dont remember it was ever mentioned in the tv show but cloaking technology exchange was mentioned in the star trek database.

[@artembentsionov]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 but did that happen before or after DIS?

[@pootispenser5089]

The brief alliance between the Romulan and Klingon Empire was conceived behind the scenes to explain how the former got their hands on the D7 Class and the latter cloaking technology and made appearances in Beta Canon material but was never implemented in Alpha Canon (movies and TV shows). Personally I never liked the way T'Kuvma had basically just come up with that technology in DISCO, not least it violates the continuity of TOS where Kirk is astounded by the existence of said technology, but then again the writers of ENT are also guilty of that particular crime.

[@artembentsionov]

@@pootispenser5089 I think at this point the fans have “corrected” Spock and Kirk’s surprise to the fact that the bird-of-prey of that size could cloak. The ships of ENT time were much smaller. The truth is, Trek has always played fast and loose with canon. I know people hate on DIS and PIC, but it just seems like the logical evolution of the changes already peppering all of Trek. People complained about ENT too when it was first showing, and now most of them are okay with it. Time heals all wounds. Taking ENT into account, the Klingons already had encounters with cloaking tech, including the Suliban and that race that impregnated Trip. It’s possible they studied the tech but it took them a while to be able to replicate it

[@thebatt6183]

The ships are constructed by the great house's then lent to the defence force

[@sokagofferenginar8669]

Klingon ships kind of have to be somewhat agile sense their weapons can only fire directly in front of them

[@photonicus]

The birds of prey certainly have to be agile. The larger ships have shown aft firing ability on occasion.

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

Didn't the K't'ingas at the beginning of The Motion Picture have rear facing torpedo launchers?

[@brotherjim3051]

Is this EckhardtsLadder for star trek?

[@RA10H56]

I know the long necks on the Klingon ships were seemingly a weak spot. But I remember reading that the weapons these ships use are so powerful that any un shielded ship no matter how armored would not be able to take a hit from a phaser, disrupter, to say nothing of a photon or a quantum torpedo.

[@chadwickst.clair-smythe4217]

The Klingon Fleet's weakness is being wedded to one tactical doctrine of "attack." This can be used against them. The Cardassians managed to fight the Klingons to a stalemate despite the huge advantage the Klingons had of a surprise attack that destroyed a none too small percentage of the Cardassian fleet, and the occupation of a number of Cardassian systems. Cardassian tactics are mentioned as being rather successful by that one chap on the Rotarran, underlining what appears to be a lack of flexibility in Klingon thinking.

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

If I remember correctly the kingon considered the Cardassians a worthy enemy. Cardassians always had a trap within a trap, but the klingon did make the Cardassian empire into a third rate power which is the reason why gul dukat joined the Dominion. I do agree that Klingon tactics lacked imagination and flexibility. :)

[@chadwickst.clair-smythe4217]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 The sucker punch did real damage. Without that first attack, one wonders if the Klingons do more than superficial damage. But it begs the question" Why did the Klingons have such trouble finishing off a greatly diminished Cardassia? Certainly commitments to fighting the Federation played a role, but perhaps the Cardassians were not so damaged as they seemed. I think the sudden Cardassian-Dominion counteroffensive only a day or two following the arrival of the Dominion Fleet demonstrates how stalemated the Cardassians and Klingons were that the arrival of about 100 ships could so drastically alter the balance. I think it is also likely that the Cardassians were already recovering and had an offensive planned and ready to go, but lacked ships to pull it off. Moreover, by the time the Dominion War starts in earnest but ten weeks later, Cardassia seemed completely recovered and their fleet built up considerably. I think they were already recovering quickly. The Dominion just rapidly accelerated it.

[@Snowwie88]

The Vorcha-Class cruiser was portrait a little on the small side then after the USS Defiant managed to take into tow with it's tractor beam during the evac of the Cardassian Detapa Counsil. The Negh'Var seems intimidating but was twice overpowered, one time by just a Defiant class ship and a maquis raider in the alternate universe and even two Negh'Var's were shredded by an updated Federation Galaxy Class starship.

[@Milan_1389]

Yes, its a plot armor for feds.

[@RA10H56]

Yeah, it's hard to trust the visual evidence of ship size in startrek shows. The models were never scale to one another. Sonetimes they were optically compiled, from different scenes from the movies, and other episodes

[@pscully1969]

All the Klingon ships have their merits, and are generally cool. My personal favorite is the K'Tinga, it's heavier than a raider but not overly massive, and has a sleek, imposing look from the front when closing in, with it's wide wings and slightly curved in engines and the in-your-face forward torpedo tube.

[@nogitsune4452]

I like the Bird Of Prey. Small but packs a heck of a punch, and leaves even bigger Federation ships afraid of an ambush. Always fun to imagine the stories a Klingon Bird Of Prey would have as opposed to the Enterprise. Less science, more firepower. Less diplomacy, more intimidation. Less table manners, more drunken songs of victory.

[@tyhy1]

What about the raptor class? That scout ship featured in the Enterprise episode; wardogs or was it sleeping dogs(?) Well, anyhow, it was in the run of the Enterprise series.

[@tyhy1]

@@subtegral the underslung turret on two of those are super cool!!🤩

[@tyhy1]

@@subtegral yeah, I know. Duras uses a vo'n'talk as well. Fleet admiral krell uses them as well in his fleet.

[@tyhy1]

@@subtegral or just an older studio model that the showrunners changed or updated as the shoe went along. Who knows, right?

[@tyhy1]

@@subtegral yeah. just like how in TNG the bird of prey all share the same studio model but are supposed to be different classes of ships.

[@tyhy1]

​@@subtegral i also recognized the D7 due to the voyager episode, prophesy. the kvort class is a bit too bulky for my taste. but that is something a klingon would like i suppose. sturdy and bulky ship. as a side note there is also a variation on the D-5 that is a tanker. its less impressive but still a nice one to see on screen.

[@aolcom-nl9qb]

What I don't like about the Klingon fleet is the fact that the bird of prey captains seems to have too much authority to start conflict without checking in with higher command for actions that may have a empire consequences and it also appears no court martial system. I would think if a combat ship Captain appears derelict in duty his subordinates within the chain of command need to have a oversight system to justify his or her death otherwise it's munity in any armed services. Star Trek doesn't show that in Klingon society on board their ships.

[@desmond9945]

My favorite is the d7 it intimidating and has an iconic design

[@Makeyourselfbig]

If their ships weren't big enough to carry enough warriors to attack space stations or planets how did they manage to build a interplanetary empire? What about logistics? How do they transport enough troops, and weapons and presumably it would be hundreds of thousands to invade and occupy a planet that resists invasion. What ships do they use to resupply once their troops are on the ground? For that matter what do any of the major races use? Warships are just a means to control the space above a planet not a means of actual invasion. It's the big hole in Star Trek wars. What happens after a space battle has been won? What is the follow up? Do they use aircraft, ships, armoured vehicles?

[@artembentsionov]

They don’t even have normal armor for ground troops. Only modern shows have them use proper military tactics

[@toomanyaccounts]

they have transports and freighters.

[@Makeyourselfbig]

@@artembentsionov Couldn't fit their big hair inside helmets.

[@danieljohn7788]

"They outnumber us my Lord-" "We Are KLINGONS!"

[@TheZamaron]

I like tot heink the Vor'cha class was built as a response to the Romulan D'deridex class and Starfleet's Galaxy class ships, simply put seeing thes 2 massive ships being produced kicked the Klingons into developing and producing the Vor'cha as they biggest ships they had were the K'tinga and K'vort class, I like to think the K'vort was an attempt at a bigger B'rel but it turned out rather poorly as the B'rel best fits as a fast attack ship, cloaking and right when they're about to surprise an enemy with a tactical position it decloaks and fires as much as it can using it's cloak and agility to evade enemy fire. Good ships for those Klingons who want to fiercly charge into battle, while the K'tinga and other less agile ships are for those wanting a more traditional style of battle of firepower and shielding. Then the Negh'var was built either in response to or news of Starfleet building the bigger Sovereighn class. Simpley put the Klingons due to their more limited Science and engineering capability are often having to catch up to the Federation and Romulans in tech.

[@SpockBorg5]

Actually negh'var made first appearance in tng series finally

[@Marcus51090]

The series final was after DS9

[@SpockBorg5]

Yeah you're talking about the mirror universe episode which featured the mirror universe defiant. Actually that aired after the tng series finale. I remember it because when I saw it I recognized the ship from the tng final episode

[@EricFeldmann]

if i remember correctly the Klingons started out being ruled by a more advanced race from core ward in the galaxy, they rebelled and took their tech and made it their own. but i could be wrong.

[@veritasfiles]

Thank you for not including information from the non-Trek Star Trek crap shows that are currently being made.

[@anyonecanart3394]

I don't remember the DX Earth ship, must not have seen that series but that was a NX class. You knew that though as a HUGE Star Trek fan right.

[@curtschmidt918]

Do a more detailed analysis of the B'rel-Class Bird of Prey.

[@robertpolityka8464]

I'm wondering about the organization of the "personal fleets" of The 24 Great Houses...how many ships make a squadron? How many squadrons make an attack wing? And so forth... ....How can The Klingons know if a ship is part of the Klingon Defense Force or is a ship is part of a House?

[@allenfogarty2384]

I always wondered what klingon birds look like

[@charleslee8505]

How about the Maquis ships

[@toomanyaccounts]

those were courier and civ ships that were modified by the Maquis. Later on starfleet adopted one of the Maqui ship modifications for use in the Dominion

[@vladdracula5851]

You should have adjust for the old warp scale when you say the ship can do warp 9 that would technically be inaccurate because they did not redraw the warp scale until after the Excelsior

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

Star trek online's vo'quv carrier is massive able to carry 4 (or was it 2) B'rel birds of prey imagine it with a cloaking device..

[@artembentsionov]

The bat’leth is awesome visually but is utterly impractical as a bladed weapon. If anything, the straight sword used by Duras in his duel with Worf should’ve given him the range advantage. Many historical human-made swords would’ve probably been superior to the bat’leth

[@VVeremoose]

I view the Bat'leth as an Axe plus pike more than a sword. And if you think of it that way, it makes more sense.

[@SantomPh]

Due to the different Klingon physiology and in particular physical strength, it suits their method of fighting. They lose a lot of range but are strong enough to make it a non-issue.

[@artembentsionov]

@@SantomPh still, feels like a skilled swordsman would be able to slip under their defense and stab or slice them with a straight sword

[@VVeremoose]

@@artembentsionov depends on how good their armor is. That uniform they wear may provide good protection against a traditional sword. We don't know. The bat'leth may be designed to penetrate armor. You might be able to get the neck or face, but that's a small target.

[@toomanyaccounts]

Sigh actual martial artists familiar with Asian swords state the Bat'leth is a practical weapon if you use it like how asians tend to use swords like in a dance. It is based on asian weapons like the crescent knife. it functions as both offense and defense. it is considered a honorable weapon used in tournaments and individual combats. its meant to be a flashy weapon. You are thinking like a European

[@captainobvious9233]

I have a 1:350 Scale model of a Klingon Bird of Prey. I also have a 1:350 Scale of the Battleship Yamato as well as some other ships of that scale. In perspective, The BoP is about the same length of a Victory Ship and 1/3rd the Length of the Yamato. The Whaling Ship in Star Trek 4 would have been about 1/4th the size of the BoP.

[@javierperez-xo8mr]

why are they called photon torpedos when they are antimater torpedos?

[@AnjinKyotsu]

You are wrong about the BRel It was given to the Klingon in the 3rd tech exchange with the Romulans Romulans BOP is the S-11 and was constructed several years before the 3rd tech exchange

[@MM22966]

Thank you for not using the poison that is DISCO.

[@TheSykoRC]

I am confused, why is he talking about the B'rel-class and showing footage of K'vort-class ships?

[@bannor216]

listen, not even being a dick, B5 is the best show ever made.

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

Lol. Someone try to cause chaos in the comment section. I do agree with you. B5 is my favorite scifi show of all time. I would place star trek as my second or third favorite.

[@jamieolberding7731]

Utopian Broadcast 7.14K subscribers The Klingon Empire had a very impressive array of amazing ships. I also noticed that you didn't put any of those Star Trek: Discovery era Klingon ships (that don't look remotely like proper TRUE Klingon ships at all, as you can see here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaq1qZ5tnNdgeq8 ) The ONLY three Discovery Era Klingon ships that I do consider to be almost Klingon are the Klingon BortaS bir class Battle Cruiser, the Klingon Qoj class Cruiser, and also my personal Number 1# favorite being the Klingon Cleave Ship (This ship is heavily armed and it also is equipped with a very impressive very very very big ass Cleaver Butcher's Knife Blade that could literally slice into/tear enemy starship hulls in half, and it's the ship we see trying to cut the USS Europa in half, as you can see here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYPJe5ujm7CVldU )

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

Thanks, I'll have to take a look at those klingon ships from Discovery. I haven't been an active viewer of the show (Discovery) but I heard season 4 is good.

[@jamieolberding7731]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 I permanently stopped watching the series in favor of of the much better and properly directed "Star Trek: Lower Decks" and "Star Trek: Prodigy" TV Series. And don't ever get me started on that absolutely TERRIBLE "Star Trek: Discovery" and also "Star Trek: Picard" TV Series (I won't be watching that Anti-Star Trek propaganda EVER again!!!

[@WintersFinalstand]

I never could really buy that the federation could compete with the KDF without story elements deliberately slowing down the KDF development.

[@WOranos]

This reminds me of a time when Star Trek was fascinating and mysterious, as opposed to what it's become today -- nauseating and embarrassing. How glorious, those days of yore...

[@SuperGamefreak18]

Eh the expanding lore of Trek could have been great...if the people behind it after enterprise gave a damn with consistency. Even worse when the fan films that were content attacked were overall better than the official material.

[@etsequentia6765]

Completely agreed. Sigh.

[@chadwickmacarthur4760]

The one thing star wars and star trek can agree on it once was amazing now it is ruined :(

[@cyberchaplain]

Oh look another " I don't like new Trek" circlejerk. What a surprise. /boring

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@cyberchaplain eh there's some of new trek i like and some i dont simple as that.

[@oneTOU3]

Why use a phaser, when a bat'hlet will do!

[@MisterMarin]

That's great, but what about the Klingon feet? 😛

[@russell5078084]

Prelude to Axanar.

[@trekwars5400]

CARDASSIAN

[@malcolmmacdougall]

Vor'cha looks the best but you can't get a descent scale model of it because it needs to be 1/350

[@ertymexx]

Waaait a minute... the old "Enterprise"-time klingon ships have cloaks? How can they if they traded cloaks for D7-tech with the romulans only in the TOS-era, and they didn't invent cloaks themselves? :-O

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

No, they were retrofitted with cloaking technology later on. My mistake, I didn't put that in the video.

[@ertymexx]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 ah, OK. That makes sense then. Thanks for reply. :-)

[@geoffashden2]

I've always considered Klingon ships to look rather silly and impractical. Whenever I see a space vessel with 'wings' I always find it rediculous, why design a war ship with an unecessary large profile? It just makes an easier target!

[@blueneptune5860]

We all need Monkeys to fight ..

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

1:38 I mean is it really? a warrior race would look to expand their arsenal and if science provides better guns, it's not unthinkable for them to invest into science .... USA and USSR during the cold war did

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

True, but if I remember correctly Klingon scientists get no respect from their people. Here's a quote from TNG ""Kurak was a warp field specialist on the Klingon homeworld. I don't think Klingons regard scientists very highly...she always seemed a little defensive.". Its a wierd situation becuase klingon need scientists but they don't respect them since their profession is different from their culture. 🤷‍♂️

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 probably also depends on which part of their history we're talking about, because from what little extra canonical stuff I know Kales talked about honor no matter what you do and he used honor to temper the Klingon instinctual temperament but his teaching got ... restructured to fit the new ruling cast. BUT STO gives a good insight into this with Klingon farmers taking honor in making sure the warriors on the front line are well fed

[@quemarthefox]

Starfleet ships

[@outlawedTV88]

Fun Fact: Did you know that all Klingon ships are built without bathrooms and toilet seats at all?! Yeah, who wants to think about shitting in battle when you can shit in your armor! Also improves the troop morale - everybody stinks together! :)

[@gordondavis6168]

The Federation fleet is a bunch of expensive Mercedes, while the Klingon fleet is composed of cheap and disposable Toyota Tercels.

[@DavidRLentz]

At 10:14, the nameless narrator states that we first saw the Negh'Var Klingon warship at the battle of the Cardassian Empire in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (I do not recall the episode, or its initial broadcast date; I estimate round late 1995 or early 1996). We saw it in Star Trek: TNG, the final episode, "All Good Things . . . .", in the alternate future timeline, when Admiral Riker (Jonathan Frakes) in command of the Starship Enterprise -D (uprated) blew the (insert here your choice of intensifier) out of it. This aired in mid-1994. In the your Description, you mention the various Klingon warships. You forgot the K'Tinga-class.

[@gregb1599]

Manoeuvrable in space, hmmm what is wrong with that comment? Those ships would be no more maneuverable than a square box in space!

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

If the only difference is the shape of the ship then yes you would be correct.

[@Redwaltz4]

Klingon ships tend to be more maneuverable than their Federation counterparts because they tend to have less mass and similar sublight maneuvering thrusters. Federation ships have extra science spaces, more non combat personnel, and more comfortable accommodations than their Klingon counterparts.

[@michaelthomas5433]

Klingons honourably attack from behind and surprise, as honourable races do. Like the Romulans.

[@4Whity]

There is no honour in war

[@alienlife7754]

Most Klingons, even the smart ones, seem kinda stupid. So who’s designing these ships?

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

Maybe, enslaved scientists/engineers. Lol 🤷‍♂️. There was some Intelligent Klingon scientists such as Kurak and Antaak.

[@leejamesmccarthy]

They would be annihilated by my sith fleet, only cowards need cloaking tech to fight a superior opponent... and these Klingon call themselves warriors... that laughable

[@rickledford2953]

Today is a good day to die.

[@pepperVenge]

Why would the D5 have a cloaking device if the Romulan trade doesn't happen for another 110 years?? This is why I hate ST: Enterprise.. It broke Trek Canon that even the show's creators helped establish (not the Romulan trade, but other's like Phasers and Photon Torpedoes not existing in the 22nd century).

[@paulrasmussen8953]

D5 does not have a cloak

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

Not when it was first deployed but it was retrofitted with a cloaking device a little before TOS. The klingons gained their technology from the Romulans through a trade.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@@UtopianBroadcast1 no sign the D5 lasted that long

[@UtopianBroadcast1]

@@paulrasmussen8953 If you watch S7 Ep7 of Deep Space Nine, Kor brings it up in one of his stories. I just watched the episode which is the only reason why I know. Lol

[@Firefox13A]

5:59 the K’Tinga length is wrong. 349m is derived from the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, when it always was 246m up until that. I remember because I saying WTF when it came out. Beta Canon just ran with it. You can clearly see that it is smaller than the Enterprise-A in the clip before. Unless we’re just going to retcon everything because we’re lazy?

[@rossdevlin5251]

Bird of prey dimensions are incorrect.

[@leexgx]

"Defended buy a cloak and a defector "

[@tuckerfromwotblitz3649]

I swear i heard dx

[@shawncarter5619]

so, the entire idea that this is just a warrior race and that anything else in the society is looked down upon as weak (i.e. Engineers, Scientists, and Doctors) is completely non functional as a social model. At this juncture, all of these jobs would need to be high points in the social spectrum. Could they all be warriors? Yes, look at the Mongols. They had doctors, engineers, and what could be nominally called scientists. They were neither looked down upon, nor were they socially denigrated. A technologically advanced civilization need to be able to advance, without destroying the social order. The Klingons as portrayed in the later Star Trek franchise, could not have done this. Their fictional culture is shallow, weak and childishly designed around a weak grasp of warrior societies.

[@DoremiFasolatido1979]

They're crap. Some look really neat, but as space combat ships...like all others in Trek, irredeemable garbage. Also, their tactics are wildly stupid. . The Klingons are cool and interesting, and some of their ships are enjoyable to look at...but as actual "warriors" and combat ships...so much garbage.

[@peterfichera2027]

Klingon DEFENSE Force? NEVER!!!!