The Knights Templar: Origins and Downfall - Separating History from Myth

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In this podcast, J Stephen Roberts interviews Paul Copenhagen, historian and expert on the Knights Templar. Featuring the beautiful Templar artwork of Gordon Napier.

[@carlos89784]

Portugal kept the order under the new name "Order of Christ". Templars supported the portuguese during the process of retaking lands from the Moors. They had a fortress in Tomar.

[@gilbertmedina9308]

Carlos E R Pimentel Convento de Cristo... I was there this summer in June 2018... the Aqueduct leading into Tomar is magnificent ...just miles away! The stronghold Templar castle at Armoroul is fascinating! Thank you Carlos!!!!

[@rogerhwerner6997]

Neither were the Templars suppressed in Scotland.

[@kennymonty8206]

This is new information to me. But very valuable. Thank you!!! I'll be looking into this.

[@pamelawinson3192]

Very weird. Had messages 12 years ago in Portuguese . As to warn about now.. it's to do with abuse ....to the feminine....

[@pamelawinson3192]

Also as in your messages aquaducts as well. Very weird messages.... It was to prepare for what's taking place now....

[@anthonyhargis6855]

Philip V would fit well into Twenty-first Century politics. Who knew he was the founder of the modern political world? As interesting as always, J. Stephen.

[@Dadecorban]

The Iron King and the Strangled Queen are rather good historical fiction, and starts out dealing with the end of the Templars in France. George R.R Martin took a lot from those books for A Song of Ice and Fire.

[@Jake8857]

oh shit i got distracted by this video, where's my helmet and sword, i'm late!!!! DEUS VULT *gallops away*

[@Souljainbattle]

KarateBJJ 1994 DRYY

[@sirjohann5460]

Thank you so much for being accurate. It is appalling to see the ridiculous speculation and slanderous suggestion in so many of today's "documentaries ".

[@SengokuStudies]

I know this is an old video, but I just now came across it. I also am a Norwich master's of military history (MMH) graduate, class of 2013.

[@rickintexas1584]

Thanks for this great podcast. It was informative and interesting.

[@ABeardedDad]

Really great podcast. I'm enjoying following your work.

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

Thanks, glad to hear it!

[@user-cq5qc9go6z]

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[@TKMP-xv2zl]

Very good! I am looking forward to the Hospitler episode in the future as I just returned home from my second trip to Malta. Also, I would love to hear more about the actual Knight Templar Rule written by St. Bernard of Clairvaux and what a day in the life of a Templar would have been like.

[@jacobitewiseman3696]

We need to bring back harder farming and military training so that kids will stay out of trouble. And also so we can retake Europe with real humans and suicide drones.

[@Thor-Orion]

Lots of digging and building defenses.

[@carloscastanheiro2933]

It was in Portugal not Spain that the Templars were reborn after 6 years under the name Order of Christ. The Templars were founded in the 12th century by 9 knights, 2 of whom were Portuguese. They were responsible for the foundation of the Kingdom of Portugal, which was called Port u Graal. The Port of the Graal, there are coins with this name imprinted on them, also known as Portucalense county. Later became Portucale, then Portugal. They founded Portugal, in the 12th century, expanded it by retaking the land from the Moors. In the 14th century, they had to change their name to the Order of Christ because of Philip the 4th, king of France and Pope Clemente the 5th. In the 15th century they started the age of discovery and discovered America, Brazil, etc. All the kings of Portugal were devout Templars. Non nobis domine sed nomine tua da Gloriam. There are a lot of conspiracy theories around them, but the truth is they were not ruled by Rome, they were independent. My favorite theory is that they founded the Free masons and all the founding fathers were in fact Templars, but who knows? Doesn't matter anymore.

[@crpth1]

Masons, founding fathers... and Templars. DO NOT fit in the same sentence. Those "wanna be" organizations appropriate of the name and even symbols on their own. Without connections or relation. Just a bunch of "wanna be" wishful tinkering. Or kids playing with their aprons! ;-)

[@CranberryCrimson]

Awesome video!

[@codex3048]

Informative interview.

[@luannefarmer]

French also later had literal 'witch hunts' of women and men, burnt them alive and beheaded most of their own aristocracy during their so called 'revolution'! Madness prevails sometimes in france

[@miguelperezcolorado]

>only sometimes, the frech are crazy people

[@rogerhwerner6997]

France did not exist in the 12th century, beyond a small enclave surrounding Paris. Northern France was occupied by Frankish, Norman, and Franco-Norman, and Flemish kingdoms. The east of France included Burgundy and the south the County of Tolouse, which was the richest and most powerful state in old Roman Gaul. The south of France owed its allegiance to the King of Aragon and later to the King of England. Modern France came about as a result of the efforts of Capetian kings and their Franco-Norman allies during two major periods of conflict: the Albigensian Crusade of 1209 to 1229, which greatly weakened the counts of Toulouse, and the 100 Years War, which accept for Pas de Calais ended English Angevin control of Aquitaine, Normandy, Britany, Gascony, and all of modern western France. The modern concept of France did not emerge untill the mid-14th century, although a King of France had existed since 1190.

[@lazyfrog6774]

French is not a race, it's a culture, French language had a official status in Brittany even before the Kingdom of France, Normans are among the firsts to adopt French culture and language after the Franks, way before the 12th century. Normans after invading England replaced the high clergy of England with French speaking clergymen, mostly from the Paris region. I can read Normans langue d'oil (old French) from the 11th century, It's actually closer to modern French than old English is from modern English. Even if the modern concept of France was not really there it would be impossible to have a title of kingdom of France without a France existing. The Fact that vassal states of France where not French did not negate France existing. We should not regard history trough our modern lens of what a state now is but we should look at it from their perspective of what state affairs where in that time. French culture was extended way beyond the royal domain of the King of France in the 12th century, Picardie, Champagne, Anjou, Britanny, Normandie, Orléans, Blois, Berry, and more.

[@rogerhwerner6997]

@@lazyfrog6774 lots of detail requiring considerable thought but KZbin isn't the medium for a proper response because the subjects upon which you touch defy simple explanation. A coup li e of comments. I'm sure the French view themselves as an ethnicity, langyage group, and a culture. The French language did not exist before roughly the 13th century inasmuch as Old French was not used as a descriptor. Since French language or culture, at ke and sf t we we think of it since roughly 1600 did not exist in the 12th century or before, it was not adopted by anyone. Trying to explain this complex history in this space is beyond my limits of patience. Since you can read Old French then you would know that it is closer to Vulgar Latin than it is to modern French, with one of its mportant similarities to the former being use of all possible word order. The relationship of Old English to modern English does not seem relevant so I won't comment on that point. As for the concept of France.... this is a most interesting poin. I think here we are talking about perception are we not? You address a matter of perception, and in this you are quite correct about the existence of a Frankish, or French if you wish, enclave or region, where ethnicity, language, and culture developed into a coherent whole over many centuries. When it thought of itself as a whole is debatable. Thus, I can't say you are wrong. Depending upon one's perception, you could be correct. As a point of historical fact, however, my comment is also correct, since I can point to facts proving my point.

[@valeriavictrix340]

@Mr. X The Order of Templar was created by Hugues de Payns during the Concile de Troyes, by a French in France, dumbass

[@elainemcmurren8678]

Outstanding post, JSR. For any Crusaders who are interested in the real history of England, I highly recommend Francis Prior.

[@mikeoconnell8377]

I wish the order would make a comeback...moral values in this day and age are on a steep decline

[@Anna-vf9gx]

Very interesting and we'll presented. Thank you for the history and book recommendation.

[@josephmeyers6338]

Is there any website Where I can perhaps see any work done by Paul Copenhagen?

[@2007bing]

Can you do a video on the knights of Lazarus? Love your work.

[@daddyrjr]

This is fantastic! By any chance are there transcripts available for this? Or an outline or notes??

[@TheWazil]

The Templar’s are not Masons either.

[@kennymonty8206]

Lol. Different time periods, right?

[@houseoftravers8906]

There's a few reasons why people consider it, which I can understand. Masonry only has one degree which is called the Knight Templar.

[@williamvalentino9065]

No we're not

[@Berengier817]

24:00 yes that's exactly what someone in the Knights Templar would say, that they aren't out there plotting

[@ervinsims2062]

I enjoy your programs. Do one on the Albigensian or Cathar Crusade if you can.

[@luannefarmer]

My ancestors include Knight Templar

[@robinfo9314]

Mine too

[@Zeddo2323light]

Congrats!

[@Cherry-sg4zg]

Wow 😮

[@jeddmohlenkamp6870]

Lakeland FL here!

[@benedictadrian7355]

Very true, most people think that the Crusaders where cruel, but in truth, they where like angels to all, Christian or not.

[@jackfrench6509]

.....Ermm no, though many depict the crusaders to be demons the jihadists were just as bad, I love crusader history, but don't be so hilariously blinded. Ever hear of the 4th crusade? The butchering of Saxony? The crusaders are just like the rest of us: human, and to call them angels is ridiculous. Were some crusaders just? sure, but you can't call all of them angels, many were in fact terrible people. Same with the Saracens. Don't be a sheep.

[@raphmaster23]

​@@jackfrench6509 Charlemagne was a Templar?

[@blacklight4720]

Majority of our society aren't that educated on top of that lower classes in lot of cases religious(not trying to start argument). That is why it is so easy to shove mysticm and superstition. It can be easily avoided by reading and study history.

[@anomalousviewer3164]

It's not 'those lower religious classes' that are repeating and making up myths about the templer knights.

[@HenrySims]

The Templars continued as the Order of Christ.

[@300warrior300]

HenrySims in portugal, yes. And many were absorbed into the knight's hospitaller

[@Nosiluminadimenso]

HenrySims Many, if not most. They lived at the Convent of [the Order of] Christ in Tomar. Check it here: watch?v=9CjMAiCrfu0

[@augustopinochet7587]

Many of them fled to Scotland because the whole country was excommunicated

[@grandsonofsamnifdy4266]

Trump salt mining Inc. stories hint at their presence at the battle of Bannockburn when Robert Bruce led the Scots folk against Edward ll. I've never seen solid evidence of this although there is plenty evidence of Templars in Scotland elsewhere.

[@augustopinochet7587]

Grandson of Sam NiFDy yes, Roslyn abbey (I've spelt it wrong probably) in Scotland is rumoured to have some of the Templar treasure buried underneath it

[@dorianvey6675]

Can either of you please please PLEASE share a selection of trustworthy books by various authors that cover the Crusades, Templar and Hospitalier?!

[@tylermcflyer3061]

My uncle told me about this theory that the knights templar were actually the first (or second if you include Vikings) to find North America. This group of scientists are doing research on some island in North America and they found artifacts that look like knights Templar artifacts and date back to the 1300s

[@arnolddalby5552]

The Knights Templar did have a precursor to the holy grail but it didn't matter because by 1750's a poor religious group demonstrated they could turn lead into gold. And it's funny but a village near me that was founded by that poor religious group bought land, built a church, a school and plenty houses and lived happily ever after from their pure gold. Hahaha. Look, the templars knew how to make diatomic red gold from Antimony and Mercury distillation. Try it you may like it. Hahaha.

[@Hpl1830]

Just wanted to know what the book was called that shows the knights Templar from the muslims point of view?

[@grievousart]

Not sure about the book but there is a pretty accurate tv show called Resurrection Ertugrul

[@OxAO]

Assassin's Creed. the real name was hashashin they were Jihadist not Christians.

[@fleetcenturion]

***** Without a doubt. However, they usually found themselves on the same side as the Templars and other Europeans, because they had a common enemy in the Sunni Caliphate.

[@Wolfsbane909]

+Ox AO seriously? An video game, u gonna make an fictional video game reference. that's some ignorance...smh

[@OxAO]

Ben noneofyourbeeswax I corrected a mistake. By your comment you seem to think mistakes are acceptable.

[@soldiergirlcl]

they still exist

[@unknownmonster6498]

Ox AO they were nizari ismaeali Shia Muslims both Sunnis and Shia twelvers considerd them infidels so basically they were feared for there assassination techniques both crusades and Muslim Sunni elites feared them they even tried to assassinate Saladin

[@HoundofOdin]

The not actually that mysterious Knights Templar are a favorite subject of mine.

[@diamonddog257]

[ you should hear what they say about you ... ]

[@porkchop2325]

Knights Templar are good

[@HoundofOdin]

@@porkchop2325 I agree. Protecting pilgrims is a noble cause.

[@malasangre583]

A Friday the 13th was also de Molays death and is the beginning of that supetstition?

[@charlesbourque6542]

Friday oct. 13th at dawn 1307 ad is when they were taken into custody, on orders of king Phillip Lebel. Both he and pope Clemant the fifth coveted their riches. Of wich they got very little.

[@flamos44]

Technically they survived in Portugal just changed names but Henry the navigator was a Templar

[@dieterh.9342]

Thank you for the talk, gentlemen. Is the interviewer or the historian herein Catholic?

[@ervinsims2062]

I suspect that the interviewer is as it is his series. None the less this history is good and one need only to consider that as just some context to the presentation.

[@keysac22]

He talked a lot about the truth of what the knights Templar found in Jerusalem but offered none of these “facts and proof”

[@nealmcgloin2984]

Long before hugues de payen and his nine fellow knight brothers started the long journey to protect the pilgrim roads a little known poor knight apparently calked"paganus",in latin used to lie in wait by the waysides protecting pilgrims from attack by bandits.could the same "paganus"be an earlier referal to hugues de payen the orders founder? Who knows?,would love someone elses with some knowledge to help? Xx

[@gershompatrioticus555]

+Amestris The author of the song was off by a few degrees, the Muslims worship the Arab Moon God, not the Mithdridic Sun God that the Catholics now worship under a different name....

[@simeskelin-croat6917]

Go find rattle snake and pray in the Mall. It's real Christianity. Drunk sodomist heretic sinner Martin Luther was successful in job given by his boss Devil and it was attack Jesus Christ's Church,universal Church,only Church,Catholic Church. After prayin the Mall go watch TV preacher and collect money to invest in Mason order companies at the stock market.

[@truthseeker7242]

Gershorn - Catholics worship the Trinitarian' God, the God who in the form of Jesus became 'The Word made Flesh'; the creator/maker of all but Himself.

[@Eyelash85]

There is some link between the Templars and the Freemasonry?

[@davidmckown3590]

I heard a theory that Templars financed the building of cathedrals all over Europe and hired the Freemasons to build them. And the Freemasons imitated the Templar rituals and also sheltered some Templars from the Friday the 13th purge.

[@timfoinc.6879]

Eyelash85 the roots and names of current all Businees.

[@crpth1]

"...link between the Templars and the Freemasonry?" NONE There's ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION, other then the "wanna be" Freemasons try to unlawfully appropriate of names and symbols. Kids role playing with their aprons if you will. ;-)

[@RealCrusadesHistory]

[@Car1Sagan]

+Real Crusades History What about the Masons, excommunicated from the Catholic Church, which has a group dedicated to Jacques de Molay? What's the connection?

[@urbaneyes2535]

+Car1Sagan I've never heard of a GROUP being excommunicated by the See, only individuals. How do you know this actually happened?

[@gershompatrioticus555]

+Jerky Bogis It is well documented. Don't forget that the Catholic Church prior to Martin Luther was very different than it is now. In fact the "Pope" that commissioned the Vatican Church that stands today was a fornicator and a terrible sinner. Extremely worldly compared with today's line of Popes which are a tiny bit more behaved. (although the scandal that got the dour Ratzinger kicked off the papal throne is a hint that sexual sin has not entirely left the Vatican)

[@simeskelin-croat6917]

I know Devil push you to attack Church,Christianity and Popes but you are boring...Boring...B o r i n g.....Find some site about protestant cult and spread your childish fantasies there. Please fat Martin.

[@boblaryson3621]

+sime skelin-CROAT the popes of the renaissance waged wars for territory. Against Christian's in Italy no less.

[@TheFarmersFarmington]

Deus Vult intensifies

[@Car1Sagan]

What about the Masons, excommunicated from the Catholic Church, which has a group dedicated to Jacques de Molay? What's the connection?

[@davebot9000]

the order of demolay is a youth organization founded by a mason named Frank S. Land. He was concerned about the growing population of fatherless boys following WW1, and felt he could help. the order is based on the ideals demolay is felt to have died for, namely fidelity and honor. hope that's what you were asking? I apologize if not.

[@crpth1]

Silver Slingblade - What's the connection? NONE whatsoever. Just because a group "self entitle" themselves as something. Doesn't mean anything else then a bunch of wanna be "kids" roll playing to their amusement. Appropriation of names and symbols can be done by anyone with less scruples. Without any sanction from the original. The so called Freemasons is a prime example of this unlawful appropriation.

[@maladroitknight]

Did the templars speak Latin?

[@lazyfrog6774]

Mostly langue d'oil, (old French) as a usual language but I'm pretty sure many of them knew or understood Latin.

[@kennymonty8206]

My understanding is that those from Francophone friendly places, pre- France, spoke Occitanian. The Emperor of Rome is said to have told his court that the peoples of Auvergne spoke better Latin than Romans. With Occitan, oc is yes rather than oui. The First Crusade was decried from this very place, Auvergne. The little France surrounded by France. Sorry, poor translation.

[@Theaielman]

All official writing, and religious services and such during this time were in latin, so I am sure that they probably educated members to at least read and understand the basics, but they didnt use it in every day interaction and speech.

[@SpritMatterMan]

The idol or the head that the Templars worshiped was the Face of Christ on the Shroud,.....

[@NapoleonBonaparteMAGA]

9:44

[@Yodamethagameing]

Anyone know a good website for learning more about knights Templar

[@tylermcflyer3061]

Eques Most holy nope wanna know why?’ L I B T A R D S

[@TheWazil]

These allegations were typical of the witch hunts.

[@MrEvanfriend]

Order of Poor knights of the Temple of Solomon.

[@theincredibledouche]

fellow knights:)

[@legocrusaderproductions3844]

I have to ask you. If you do believe that the Templar order was falsely destroyed because of the greed of the french king does this not Condem the Catholic Church? Since the pope gave up and denounced the Templar’s isn’t this a sin by him. Yet catholic doctrine says the pope is infallible. I don’t mean to be rude, just as a Christian who is trying to find a church I would like to hear what you have to say about that.

[@mcars100]

It condemns the french king not the church.The church has always understood itself as divine but prone to human fallacy.Divine as it’s the church the gates of hell will not prevail against and imperfect because it is run by humans.We should not throw the baby out with the bath water

[@williamvalentino9065]

As a modern Day Knight Templar in the OSMTJ-KTOA we are a non masonic Christian Order we are a not for profit Order

[@andreidraguloiu2587]

i dont understand something about the end of the Templar Order. ok i get it.. in Frnce fals accusations, torture etc.. but the templars ware in most of the big kingdoms of Europe... England. Spain Italy etc... and they ware a lot... not just 100 knights.. they had armiers.. i dont get it how none of the other Templars in Europe didnt do anythig

[@DDFergy1]

You would think that charges like those could not happen today but you would be wrong. Yes trumped up charges are made today and witnesses are murdered by suicide; head beaten in on the beach, two shots to the back of the head, suffocated and so forth.

[@NewsNotShownonTV]

Crusades are interesting aren't they ? What about the Doge of Venice and others like him ?

[@gwmcklintock]

"Sister" organizations?

[@68halima]

This assertion that praying towards mecca means "facing East" is bizarre. Obviously it depends where in the world you are. If you are East of Mecca- and MOST of Saudi Arabia is East of Mecca- then you face West. You face West if you're in Iran, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, etc. If you're in Europe or Turkey, you face South or South East. In Kenya you face North. It's all relative. We need to get over the distinction of Islam as an "Eastern" religion and Christianity as a "Western" one. Christianity started in the "East" too.

[@gagawithpasswords]

+Highgate Angel yes, and his speaker, Paul, actually says what you say about 'facing east.' The perception from the European view was that Muslims face east to pray- a reasonable perception given where the crusaders came from. And yes, Christianity is properly speaking, an eastern religion that spread in all directions, and subsequently became the basis for western society and so became associated with the west. So you are right on that one.

[@68halima]

I guess you're not counting Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism, Shintoism, Jainism and, of course, Hinduism- which calls itself "the world's oldest religion".

[@augustopinochet7587]

Highgate Angel you would face North in Kenya

[@leeboi222]

This is the most retarded thing I've ever seen.

[@HueyPPLong]

Highgate Angel Some historians actually consider Islam a western religion and also Judaism in contrast to the Indian and East asian religions/philosophies...I guess they do this considering our history is much more intertwined with the cross vs the crescent being probably the longest ongoing conflict in human history.

[@windwalker7663]

Was that sarcasm at the start

[@SandmansHate]

Yes

[@javamann1000]

The 'Cat' comes from Egypt.

[@patrichausammann]

But the oldest known evidence for the coexistence of humans and cats was found in Cyprus and dates back to 9500 years.

[@jonathanwells223]

Glad to see that many others hate Ubisoft as much as I do.

[@Rjisawake]

Assassins creed! I knew it!

[@franceslittle7139]

South France USA 1500

[@ilyasgoksu2465]

knights templars are created after the battle of manzikert.

[@williamvalentino9065]

No 1118

[@williamvalentino9065]

N recognized by the pope in 1139

[@timfoinc.6879]

Effel tower is iron tower. Metal- smith guilld. They owned iron. Who own the rest metals.? Chul means iron,Gm means Gold, Eun means silver, Dong means copper and winter....and the rest of metals are mixed - mellted - seized recycled metals....chemistry.

[@justinspringstun5836]

The last order one could join in their Masonic career in York Rite of Freemasonry’s is a modern version of order of “The Knights Templar” they still defend Christianity and the sacrifices Jesus of Nazareth made in the name of Christ, Gods only son whom spoke through Jesus so eloquently with so much truth. I personally Thank God for all the Christian Knights who defend and defended Christ’s sacrifice through Jesus. Anyway just my two cents I am not currently a Freemason for the record. Great subject matter thanks.

[@ilyaskhan-cm7mh]

the maths do not add up,,,,

[@brandonstanley9125]

Oh, hey, scholarship rather than conspirashit.

[@xymenayardzywa2697]

yet again , as always, ........*** the French ....😠💣