The Kosher Dilemma - Chicken

[@dustinbreakey4707]

These are informative videos, thanks for sharing, I'm surprised you only have this many views.

[@Juan_Duran]

YES, YES ,YES ,YES. The part in tge rafio station was phenomenal. Thank you

[@shtetlcholoycd]

oh no! what a tragic ending, the free-range butcher died! such a funny image carrying Chaim on the train with the folding bike. hope this can move forward one day....

[@imaof4]

The Kosher consumers ARE a small minority of the meat and poultry market worldwide, with the exception of Israel. For this discussion, I'll leave Israel out of it, because the default processing (on the main, poultry) is kosher. For a chicken to be considered ft for kosher slaughter, it minimally has to be free of any diseases and with the ability to walk on its own. The ideal, of a chicken growing in an airy chicken coop, being fed a wholesome grain diet and water (from a spring or well), with ample exercise in the farmyard is far from the reality for what is described as industrial food processing. We can bemoan that society as a whole has made this tradeoff for cheaper fod or the development of agribusinesses has foisted it upon us (which came first, the chicken or the egg, eh?), but it's our reality. In the supply chain here, we need, of course, consumers that want a product, in this case both kosher and humanely raised, free-range chickens. In other words, how chickens were typically raised before all this automatization of food processing began. Once upon a time, a kosher consumer would go into the butcher's and choose a live chicken. Then the shochet on the premises would shecht (ritually slaughter) the chicken. The butcher in turn would ask if the shopper if she (normally, it was the balabuste (wife/homemaker) would like the chicken cut, did she want the feet, gizzards etc. The butcher would wrap up the order and it would be kashered by the consumer at home. Won't go into details here, suffice to know, it was salting and soaking to remove the blood from the chicken. Kashering is now typically a service provided by either the meat processor or the butcher. There had been a greater intimacy with the food purveyors and process. This was already from my grandmother's time, where the chickens came from Jewish chicken farmers in NJ and she was purchasing them at the butcher's in NY. That was then, the 1930s till 1950s, and now, the landscape is very different. I can only address the supply chain in the US, and in my area. The Eastern Seaboard has a number of kosher slaughtering and processing establishments for chicken. For Empire Chicken, their chickens are raised by Mennonite farmers. These farmers also raise chickens for much, much larger concerns that process the chickens for the non-kosher consumer. Empire's processing begins when they receive the chickens and the shochtim shecht the chickens. They are then kashered and butchered, and packaged. Some of their products are for fresh chicken, frozen, or cooked (frequently 'chicken nuggets or hot dogs - hey, it's what some people want to buy.) Many chickens are sent to butchers in bulk (huge boxes), and they do the cutting and packaging themselves.

[@thingsweneverdid3782]

The video ends on quite a morbidly depressing note The problem is, most kosher meat consumers are morally subpar. They do it to be Jewish, not to be holy, and Jewish law doesn't require that the animal lived a good life (nor, in some respects, is kosher schechitah the moral high ground) neither does it matter to them. It's moot. Until observant Jews realize a God of love and stop seeing like a money issue, truly ethical kosher slaughter will just continue to be a pipe dream unsubstantiated by the reality.

[@Micksteroony]

First of all, spare us the moral Christian preaching and false piety (I am sure you are morally 'above par' right?). Secondly, Jewish law does require that the animal is essentially healthy and unblemished before slaughter (a good life) for it to be Kosher. The fact that in reality this is not always the case is a general social matter - one affecting 'Christians' as much, if not more so, than Jews. Namely: hundreds of millions of Jesus worshippers eat meat from animals that are subject to dubious industrial treatment without any hesitation regarding moral issues. Kosher meat - and consumer goods in general - are more expensive and Jews pay a premium as they cannot consume general goods. It is a shame - but understandable. As this video indicates - it is a dilemma - and for you to attack Jews with your Christian pieties and that you, a good Messianic Jew get to follow the mythical 'God of Love' and us poor Jews are still mired in our ignorance and hatred for not embracing 'Yeshu', well let's face it - YOU are the problem.

[@thingsweneverdid3782]

Micksteroony I already knew all that, not least because I make my living in a grocery meat department. Also I am not a Jew, I'm a gentile. God has called me as one, and I never pretend to be an ethnic Jew. But I think most Christians are just as morally clueless as Torah Jews are... Because they buy factory meat is but one indication of that. I have and will continue to missionize you in his name: Yeshua. I will endure every beating: the Great Court couldn't shut up the original boys back then, nor black hats me today. Again I say, Messiah's name is Yeshua, not your despicable acronym from your awful Talmud, only one of the reasons unbelieving Jews have been persecuted. They didn't believe in a loving God, they just argued in Babylonian academies for generations telling the Bat Qol to shove off. Well you should care about morality as much as anyone, if you're a man of deed and not creed. Judaism thrives on externalism and envy and wealth. You KNOW that. There is no name but Yeshua's by whom you can be saved. Swinging a chicken is not going to fill in for that.

[@thingsweneverdid3782]

Micksteroony If you attack someone for wanting to be moral, you prove you don't believe in or follow God whatsoever. Morality is what God expects from you on every level. It is simple.

[@Micksteroony]

I have no idea if you are 'moral' or not. Commenting on the internet does not equate to morality. So you or I 'prove' nothing. Neither do I have the audacity or insolence to invoke God in my criticism of others, like you. You are just some anonymous dude telling Jews that they are immoral. But if you like your Bible, you may wish to adhere to this: Matthew 7:3: "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

[@thingsweneverdid3782]

Micksteroony sigh.... If people repent in only one way these 10 days, I hope it will be that they don't accuse each other without being attentive to their real perspective or needs. You know that as a Christian, it would be both heretical and self righteous for me to call myself a static or reliable person of morals. That compliment belongs to only one. Perusing the sacred is a gradual thing and one never truly arrives. But because I believe Torah never expired, nor did it ever give way to another standard, tradition gets often overrated and makes people lose empathy to maintain it. I know there are some things that the God I want to worship does not shine his favor on... I feel really convinced that sick chickens in cramped, dark, noxious and squalid sheds is not okay. Even if they are dumb fowl after all, we know we can do better than that as a society. Money is overrated! I never accuse all Jews... in fact I really adore them. Stereotyping is an excuse for not dealing with real people, who are always diverse. I don't have anything against you either, bro.

[@Rajul_Jamil]

I didn't see that the chicken was salted according to kosher laws before you cooked it in a pan, you should have broiled it or cooked on a grill.

[@richardwozniak3238]

Honey in the chopped liver 👎