The Kral bullpup and the Samyang Sumatra

[@Dupree403]

I live in the states and own a .25 cal Sumatra. In my opinion it's the best gun you can buy in .25 cal as for as accuracy and power go. No other PCP gives you 100 fpe with slugs plus great accuracy. I have shot squirrels at 60+yrds with this gun and coyote. Everytime I think of getting another gun I think it still isn't better then my Sumatra.

[@mlentsch]

You murdered a wild dog with a pellet gun?? Well, bravo...you're a very sick man, indeed.

[@DPS-cy7xs]

I think idea design samyang sumatra is from classic tradisional pcp hunting rifle from Sumatra and Java Indonesia name Gejluk that pump air with foot, combine with Winchester

[@heithwatkins]

I own a Kral puncher breaker in .25. It shoots a jsb 25.39 gr. At 911 to 901 for the first ten shots. Mine is black synthetic and is shorter in the butt of the stock. It's accurate and reliable. I really love the rifle.

[@robertphelps4981]

I think an updated Sumatra is on the way. Great show...every time!!!!

[@theninjaman]

I would buy the Sumatra 2500 every time just love these guns I have a career 707 mark 2 and never let me down and it's absolutely beautiful gun to fire cork And is the most accurate air rifle I have ever used and I have used quite a few

[@thaddaeusmarchlewski4712]

That second gun is beautiful

[@robg4rob]

CLASSIC !... Lloyds Face when Mr T said "Ive mellowed through the Years !" Re the Guns... Used a Kral Mk1... Crotal Tap !!! Samyang Sumatra... Used one a few times at the range... heavy and didnt point well for me , but nice for a Bit of Fun. Keep up the Good Work Guys....another Great Watch

[@mehlcarelse4319]

Yeah Sumatra's very, very docile at 12ft/lb but open that beast Mr. Belas to 72ft/lb which is exactly 9 clicks on your power from rock bottom with a 52 grain slug in .22 and it's just raw old school V8 muscle.

[@murdoch451]

Got a Kral bullpup all black synthetic at the shooting show after my Cometa bullpup mini was stolen ( now that was a nice looking gun but could not shoot for s***t due to the 36cm barrel. ) The Kral is fine for the money, the trig is a bit on the heavy side if you are used to a match grade but you can't jar it to go off, good when working round silo's and pens ratting. My main concern is the single shot tray is 0.2mm to high and deforms the skirt and gives you a flyer but I do not use it. The 2 mags that Barry G said they have problems with work fine. Plink clean, plink clean, repeat a few times and break it in as it is not out of the box ready. Turn the power adjuster from max back a smidge and you lose that shotgun effect down to 1/4" grouping at 25yrds.

[@WhatIsItReallyAbout]

If I was to choose between the two, I would go for the Kral. The Samyang looks a bit too nose-heavy for me. I would also be too concerned that the wind might catch the barrel and spoil my aim. However, I'm super-happy with my Air-arms s400f, and my HW80. I'm still considering a bullpup conversion for the s400f.

[@airgunsniper-elite7385]

A great video once again, showing that not everyone has the same opinion on every gun. They are very nice rifles in their own way, and i wouldn't turn either one away. For me the Kral puncher breaker would be improved if the cocking lever was forward like on the Hatsan Gladius, or FX wildcat. An electronic trigger would solve all the bullpup set backs, but i expect they all have patents on them. It's time that we had an aftermarket option for electronic triggers on various rifles. Yes, it would cost more, but imagine the difference they could make. On the Samyang Sumatra, because they were designed for high power, having twin cylinders, it would look vastly better with just one, and you could still tweak plenty of shots out of it. Proving we are all different, I like the engraving. A bit like on the premier shotguns, or blinged out winchester rifles. Members at Tinsley Park Shooting club have both, and they both enjoy shooting them, and that is what counts in the end. Keep up the good work. Mark Holding (Tinsley Park Shooting Club)

[@garystratton4125]

I am in the states & I like the lever action and adjustable power of the Sumatra. I shoot most everyday one of my 15 air rifles. Mostly break barrels but 3 pcp's I enjoy. Thinking of soon getting one of these lever action South Korean rifles.I don't like the blocky barrel look of it but I like everything else about it. Saving my pennies!

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

Love my Sumatra. Wish I had the Carbine though.

[@douglassoal6196]

Parker Hale did a lever action air rifle, think it was called the Phoenix, friend had one, and it shot well. Air cylinder in the stock. Enjoyed the video.

[@jaspergreen2173]

Love my sumatra in 25cal I get 75 fpe with 48 grain casthad it for 5 years

[@giovannim5101]

I do like the Seneca Sumatra 2500 here in the State's it sell for 580 dollars it is a great buy. Guys as always great show. Do love your show lots of info.

[@TonyBelas]

thank you, we reherse for hours...........

[@dellisonhooi8465]

Giovanni m where did you bought this rifle for 580 dollars?

[@mrsandman5436]

Im so surprised he doesn't like the sumatra look.!!! I Thought it has a classic beautiful look

[@simonhopkins3867]

Yes I'd love to see Air Arms or weihrauch do a under leaver.

[@Blayda1]

Walther do one which Umarex distributes in the UK.

[@davidm3maniac201]

@@Blayda1 Yes seen that actually ejects cartridge and bb or pellet are inside cartridge. A video on YT on it. There is a brass type version that takes a 10 shot magazine.

[@TonysRcTechboom]

Fantastic review guys yet again. I like the silver .it's different. Looks like a nice hold. 👍😁👍

[@craigsylvester6320]

I own a Kral mk2, in .177 and find it to be very accurate even out to 45 yards with half inch groups. If you want a bullpup experience with half the price tag then it's a great option. The trigger can be adjusted after removing the stock and there are videos on KZbin showing how.

[@delroywashington3185]

Got this Kral in black , walnut stock .22 , bang on,, shot a pigeon today 60yards

[@Ulani101]

If I had the choice, I would definitely choose the Sumatra, as it`s so different to anything else in my collection. It is on my shopping list, in all honesty. Just not got the funds to spare for that hobby right now, and I`m not short of guns to use on the range, and therefore can`t really justify rifle number 10 right now. 😉

[@boxcartwilly]

Try looking at the Parker Hale Phoenix mk2. If you google Pax guns in London you can see them, there a fantastic gun 10 shot mag as well.

[@TonyBelas]

Just £579 from Solware....go on, you know it makes sense.....:)

[@MattVasNeema]

I had the MKII PB in .177 for 24 hours......loved the looks, handling and the price but the finish was poor with scratches and scrapes on the action and along the barrel, and it shotgunned pellets out at below 10ft.lbs. Got my money back and bought a BSA Ultra SE, haven't looked back!!

[@andybrown8293]

I do like the Sumatra but not keen on the muzzle, however that lever action more than makes up for it.

[@nygelsylvester4634]

Career 707 filling adaptor/probe was much neater, an hour fettering on the trigger/sear/cocking linkage and these were super slick.

[@matthewpearsall9249]

I like the Sumatra it's like you say you can pretend you're John Wayne 🖒🖒🖒

[@LordWilsonVILLA]

I want to buy the Sumatra 2500 .22 but there are no companies selling it any longer in 2020

[@Mike_P646]

I like the look of the kral in silver with a synthetic stock or blued with timber but that combination is horrible. I'm all for a bargain but for £100 more you can get a Compatto,no contest there. Love the vids by the way,keep up the good work.👍

[@narimann1125]

Hey guys, I do own a Kral puncher breaker MK1 , it has the "German made" barrel (that's what I've been told) I love the gun and in my opinion no other PCP in this price range can even get close to the accuracy (the key word being "this price range"). YES... I know it does have the "bullpup syndrome" and it is a little picky with pellets. but once you get it right.... I shoot with JSB jumbo heavy pellets and I rarely miss a target, it is not a competition PCP but it does get the job done I have shot live targets at 135 meters

[@laity69]

I shot these on the practise Range at the Northern shooting show this weekend , They are ok I think . For the money I think they are worth a look . After a little play about I am sure you could make these far far better . They are not that bad . Tony is right .. The Trigger is tricky to say the least , again I am sure you can do something there ??

[@TonyBelas]

they are apparently not difficult to ajust and improve, it s just that most people dont want to fiddle, and who can blame them on a new rifle?

[@derrickmitchell39dm]

I have both of these guns and I love shooting my Sumatra .25 more than the Kral because the Sumatra puts out so much power and can sling a slug accurately at long distances.

[@MrSloopJB]

I have the Kral bullpup marine MK2 in .177 I have been getting 1/4" groups at 35 yards ,ok the trigger is not the best but you can feel both stages on the pull, but can be improved . I would like to fit a regulator but it shoots well and accuratly.

[@hotair4269]

Great to hear about another happy Mk2 user. You do get used to the trigger but I wished Kral would sort it once and for all .

[@bakerg21]

I had a full length Sumatra 2500 in FAC 5.5mm that easily put out 75fpe. Was one of my first pcp's when I was still green and obsessed with power, as all of us in unregulated countries start out. With the enormously strong hammer spring on the fac version it was the only pcp I've ever seen with a bear trap issue. Thought it had broken my thumb when I managed to do something stupid taking out the mag. Was very accurate, but needed a lot of user familiarity as it had no power curve at all - just went slower each shot, so it required you to 'play the power wheel' to get anything like a consistent string. Ended up selling it as I quickly figured out it was too powerful for a backyard plinker or pest bird gun and too bloody heavy to carry in the field. I also didn't really have the time or inclination to do the whole power wheel thing. Since then it's been daystates, edguns and weihrauchs plus one agt vulcan. Definitely don't regret the move! Neither does my thumb... Great show! Looking forward to the next part

[@davidm3maniac201]

Greg. what Weichrach did you have

[@carsmax]

I haven´t not see any new vid´s guys !!!!😥 Will you do more " HotAir" videos in the future ??? Please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@boxcartwilly]

If you want a nice underlever you should look at the Parker Hale Phoenix mk2 it's a fantastic gun and looks great. I don't understand why more shops don't stock them. I know if you took the Sumatra out shooting for the day there are a lot of guns that will give you a better grouping but not many that would put a bigger grin on your face all day. I think for the Kral bullpup there are better guns out there for the same money, even in there own range. They had some great looking guns at the Northern shooting show the weekend for about £500 and less. Good show again always worth watching.

[@TonyBelas]

its ourt of production. and the existing owner(s) want to sell the design, though it has its problems, not least of which is high manufacturing cost and a low power potential.

[@giovannim5101]

This is a great air gun show thanks guys.

[@martinhill3986]

I've a Kral in .22 bought it from you and love it, got very used to the trigger but interested in how to make it better

[@hotair4269]

My gunsmith used to do the mod but he's moved on and taken the secret with him . I do know it he added a grub screw to reduce the sear overlap. Maybe talk to a good gunsmith and they will work it out :)

[@bassassin95]

Both interesting looking guns but I will stick with my rapid mk1 . I have seen the stopping power of the samyang in high power and it is impressive

[@russdouglasagw8151]

TBH I'd like to handle both, though the design flaws of the Kral are worrying, and the projecting end of the Lever-action's fill port is daft. How much does the latter weigh, it looks heavy with the triple tubes?

[@H4CK61]

Best gun I have ever owned. Its a rat killing machine and mine is in 177.

[@jetblack5115]

It would be good to see some vintage airguns tracking the history maybe a 5min slot...great show though getting better All the time..well done

[@TonyBelas]

You already get vintage show hosts, and you want matching guns? :)

[@angelisone]

Have those air guns for left side shooter? My Kriss Vector is left side.

[@nickcasey1988]

I brought Sumatra purely for the looks 😂🧐 but actually its unbelievably accurate. Took to the range a few times and embarrassed guns worth twice as much

[@James28R]

guns get embarrassed?

[@hullpestcontrol9162]

Could you do a review of the KRAL puncher jumbo

[@chrisbajema8002]

Hello guys. I’ve bought the pbs mark 2 and boy is it a tack driver. From 20 yards to sixty one mil dot. Cons, magazines are junk. They need a detent ball to hold them in spot. Rack a pellet and boom, out goes the mag. WTH

[@davt8615]

Hw97k stl is the only nickel air rifle that works in that colour

[@mikemayne9370]

Hi iam in orlando fl. To me kral has problem s.and yes that other gun is ugly. Oh you have a great show keep it up.love you guys make me laugh.

[@johnpickering7449]

Sorry it's ugly but I can see why some people would love it love the new channel

[@jddlm1150]

The sumatra can be regulated???

[@LloydSchober]

Yes I think Huma do a regulator for them.

[@jddlm1150]

Thanks

[@willemdezeeuw5918]

Does Huma have a regulator for it? Great news. Just was about ordering a MOD30-4/0 suppressor of them. Any experience with those suppressors?

[@h2489-m2l]

If you want a more modern lever action then look at the Phoenix Mk2. I like it more than my career 707.

[@hotair4269]

I had a Phoenix. Good gun but the balance was very back heavy and it wasn't an easy gun to strip and maintain . I'll bring one on the show next time I find a second hand one :)

[@h2489-m2l]

Hot Air agreed, I'd not be tempted to strip it myself. They have recently ceased production unfortunately along with the fast fire 10, but there are still parts.

[@jeffsmith50001]

Tell me the screw thread on a 177 Hy Score vintage pistol UK for the silencer. And I will give you a kiss. Or an elbow bump.

[@fedaykeen]

Great and funny show today.. on Rifles shown i would buy none of them..

[@Q-44]

Well there is only one true bean in this comment section

[@moonbear1st]

well lloyd you know i am a bullpup man but the kral just does nothing for me,i have handled a few but they just dont seem to have that touch,even the p10 i owned a bit back was better alround to me.....now that sumatra well although i dont bother so much with rifles now that i could go with , that takes me back to being a kid and an underlever winchester i had that ejected brass bullets :) so yes i could go for that on the range but not as an hunter or pest controller :) great prog .. once again lads..

[@1LRLRG]

Would buy the lever over the bullpup.

[@ahuskins1985]

If I was going to a shop to buy a rifle it wouldn’t be either of them.. 🤣 but if someone was going to buy me one then I’d have the kral.. some good stuff coming from turkey at the moment..

[@andyteakel3957]

Does anyone make a lefty bullpup

[@boxcartwilly]

the new BSA

[@TonyBelas]

both he daystate Pulsar and renagade switch to L/H easily

[@robertphelps4981]

Priest which is a straight cocking pull on left side and Webley Mastiff Lever cocking on right side, Pulsar and Kozak are options

[@markhomer7628]

Great vid lads , funny , informative , and above all ( as there's jack s**t on the telly ) interesting ... Now , where do I start , yes the bullpup , and actually for a bullpup I quite like it ( it's been well documented in the past of my dislike of bullpups ) few niggles though , for instance , do they do a left handed version? If not it renders it useless too us " lefties " having to un-shoulder too cock it , not a problem with conventional rifles , as I found with my HW 100 , build quality seems ok " ish " , looks quite nice , and as you both agree a little fettling could bring it up too scratch , YES , it's ok , which as surprised me ... Now the jinsing sungsang whang dang Sumatra ... Which I'm gonna sum up quickly so don't blink A. Looks crap and too expensive That's it !!!! All that remains to be said is , keep up the good work , it's a great and entertaining show , no matter what you review , good , bad , or in the case of the Samsung dung ding sing song Wong Sumatra , PIG UGLY

[@ghanditw]

rather the Sumatra than the kral. but the Sumatra gets you stopped by the police every time to check power

[@hotair4269]

You are right. So many Career's were over-powered they do attract the Polices attention.

[@davidm3maniac201]

Ghanditw. I take it you mean in the U.K you was checked. Did not know that. Thanks for info

[@frankcoldwell4424]

You need better lighting guys, that's far too bright.

[@clangerbasher]

Sumatra sans engraving with one tank.........perhaps.........after I have bought everything else.

[@RandomLBS]

its a damn shame to limit that beautiful piece of machinery to 12 Ft Lbs ... thats like having a a BMW that is limited to 55 mph.

[@davidm3maniac201]

Random s pounds. Its only because of UK gun laws that its 12ft lb. Anything over you need F.A.C. You can get high power. Wished i lived in the states

[@geoffwright2458]

I love this show ,goodbye magazines

[@Sniper-bc4kz]

I have use few kral air rifles they are not accurate and it is made so cheaply .buying kral is just a waste of money .

[@hotair4269]

A lot of customers would disagree sorry . The Np-02 has gone down a storm and they are accurate :)

[@Sniper-bc4kz]

so may be the 3 or 4 kral pcp i owned they were only the junks .

[@Koa2943]

got one in my hands poor quality the finishing super poor...got a chance to try out the Sumatra in US i would buy it any day of the week ..kral ....piece of j...k

[@JudahMaccabee_]

I would never buy a Kral

[@hotair4269]

I'd definitely have one of the new Np-02's as a cheaper ratting gun . Kral are getting better without a doubt so never say never !

[@ctay1071]

I own a daystate huntsman regal and a Kral np-02 the Kral is a brilliant well built little bit of kit I recommend a silencer because the gun is loud real loud also can’t go wrong with the price

[@Blayda1]

@Johnny Venturino Ive got a 1.77 Puncher B and its a demon. I took out a match ,, yep a match at 25 yards at Hoots Range in Warrington.

[@stephenlambert9826]

@@Blayda1 not hard

[@stepup898]

Both horrid, get laughed off range. Cylinder and barrel on Sumatra what’s the other bit?

[@JudahMaccabee_]

Brian Marshall come again?

[@stepup898]

Does it have 2 cylinders?

[@hotair4269]

2 connected cylinders :)

[@hotair4269]

The other bits the second cylinder . Each to their own I guess. Definitely not everyones cup of tea but nice to see different stuff on the show I hope.

[@stepup898]

Yeah it looks like the child of a Wild West rifle and a Gatling gun, the child they keep locked in the attic.

[@peetje28021970]

Even uglier than the Red Wolf 😂

[@deaczorz]

samyang even tho its ugly as sin.

[@TonyBelas]

yes, its the ugly bug ball of airguns, you just have to love it

[@deaczorz]

also here in fac land you can adjust the h*ll out of them, heavy slugs? sure light plinking pellets ? sure.

[@davidm3maniac201]

@@deaczorz lucky man i wished i lived in F.A.C land. Wanted to live there for ages. 12 ft lb i hate

[@SHOOTER3258]

Really this chanell is so boring like whole UK... Im not hater!! But guys you need more freshness in this room!!

[@johnhopkinson1853]

Why on Earth do people buy this rubbish, especially the bogus shotty.

[@daniellewis5413]

He 'just picking coz he is with daystate !! Change springs I did

[@Trickshot72]

If you had all the positives of the Sumatra, but in a beautiful, modern package, you would have a sure fire winner. As it is, it looks like a cross between a winchester repeater, a Benelli pump action and a cattle prod. I quite like the look of the Kral, but absolutely cannot and will not accept a sloppy trigger. Under any circumstances. Ever. You have become my favourite gun related show on KZbin. For many reasons, but mostly because of how you fit eachother. It just works.

[@hotair4269]

Cattle prod...Lloyd approves this comment, and yes , we need Weihrauch or Air arms to make this !

[@hunter100t]

Cattle prod lol