The Last Good SPR Scope: Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10x

[@austinhill9919]

I'm surprised Primary Arms hasn't responded yet saying how this is the definitive proof that this is the greatest optic ever conceived

[@BrassFacts]

give it time... or actually, because I criticized it in the slightest; Imma get haters up in here

[@yakivpopavich]

I'd argue that that one dude who durability tested their 1-6 Raptor did that lol

[@FXIIBeaver]

@@madstan8948 ehh it loses points in being that you can use it to anchor a cruise ship.

[@madstan8948]

@@FXIIBeaver yeah it was built for tough men I guess you could say

[@FXIIBeaver]

@@madstan8948 no it was just built using ancient technology at this point and there are better scopes that weigh less. Actually no can’t say that. The ACOG came out in the same period and only weighs 9 oz so no it isn’t the best and hasn’t been.

[@sb9e]

I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the kzbin.infoUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.

[@spldrong]

Been saying this for a while: I would rather have a 4-10, 4-16, 2-10, etc rather than an LPVO, but they are hard to find with the desired reticle and such ...so I end up with a Vortex 1-10x

[@trevorwilliams1783]

how come? does the lpvo suck at the higher magnification? im interested because I got a ar-10 18" barrel and its nice and I want somthing nice for it

[@KretinD]

I got a glx 2.5-10x with the raptor m2 reticle on an spr upper. Its a perfect balance of optical quality and tactical features. I like the glx line so much that I got the glx 4-16x with the mil dot reticle to build an identical spr upper. Such a useful piece of glass

[@davenportjg]

I have a 4-14 slx in ACSS, and I find it to be one of the best options for me starting out with a spr, and 308 semi auto setup. I love that I can quickly swap it between my 18" ar15 and ar10. This makes it a great addition to my rifles and how I like to configure them for whatever situation I want.

[@LyleH-13]

how do you like the 4-16. I've been sooooo torn between the 2 scopes.

[@KretinD]

@@LyleH-13 the 4-16 is awesome. I'd take the 4-16 over the 2.5-10 because the Athena mil reticle is amazing. The Griffin and the raptor reticles don't have wind holds at 0.

[@LyleH-13]

@@KretinD The 2.5-10 would be my first optic if I didn't own any magnified scopes. Since I already have a good lpvo, the 2.5-10 is a hard sell because it doesn't offer anything new. the 4-16 gives me something I don't own yet. Glad to see you like it, and I like the Athena because it's less specialized to a certain caliber so it can go on any rifle in the future as my options expand. thanks for the reply.

[@AmericanelST205]

​@@LyleH-13i don't know if go for 2.5-10 Griffin or new 3-18 Athena, reticle are different

[@OutlawGRUNT]

It's like watching an early Nutnfancy video. Honest and sometimes funny, I'll definitely watch again.

[@MrThewetsheep]

The final evolution of the rooftop asian

[@BrassFacts]

my final form

[@bravo6959]

@@BrassFactsthe Utah mountain asian?

[@jefferyglover4295]

😂

[@jefferyglover4295]

The Roof Top Asian 😂 makes hella sense now, I'm going with this rig as my mid range game, thanks for the heads up fellas really means alot.

[@Billwoodoutdoors]

“Roof Koreans”

[@SuperMrBguy]

for the record i found this channel from... well the inevitable collapse of society that the world seems to be going towards, im by no means a prepper but still we all have those moments of what if. and then i found your video on your ACOG since well its a good shtf optic and well the rest is history. you keep your points practical and i feel like you are just a dude figuring stuff out and im with you on this journey. Thanks for uploading

[@everettmcfarland8961]

Just bought this scope but I actually put it on a .308 that I intend to use as a "battle rifle" and I find it to be the perfect optic for a heavier weapon such as my ar10. Weight savings on an ar10 are crucial where ever you can so this was pretty nice. The functional use of this reticule is also really nice

[@nastysoda9212]

I have it on my lightweight AR10, it's such an awesome set up. Easy to use at 2.5x close up as well

[@That_Guy5575]

Now that you both have finished setting up your AR-10’s… Might I recommend checking out the Ruger SFAR?

[@robs9574]

@@That_Guy5575this is why I’m here. I’d like to get the SFAR 20” with this optic. Curious if this reticle coincides with.308, holdovers, leads etc.

[@XxCrankyMoosexX]

Awesome review. These kind of breakdowns are helping me plan out my next rifle.

[@KidCorporate]

I'm currently running a Sig Tango6 2-12 on my SPR, it's great glass but stupid heavy, been looking for something to replace it with and this really helped. BTW to get hungover in SLC you really gotta work for it so congrats on that.

[@stevedo18able]

Bought the Raptor version for a bolt action build. Honestly most of us are never gonna shoot past 300 yards, let alone 500. This magnification range is perfect for most people. 2.5 is fine for close work and 10x is adequate out to a 1000. Sure, a higher magnification range is good for punching paper, but for maximum versatility and functionality I love this magnification range. I went into their store and tried out the reticle before buying one. The reticle at 2.5 VERY visible, that reticle takes up whole scope at 10x.

[@dnaka2001]

I had one from the first production run. Got it on sale for $450 after they sued by Leupold for some of the turret design features and some cosmetic issues. I loved the steel on steel construction, glass quality and tracking. I had an Athlon Ares BTR 2.5-15 FFP and had to decide which to keep. The Ares was a touch clearer, but it had noticeable chromatic aberration with darker colors. It was noticebly heavier, too. I kept the GLx. I did end up selling it. I had to help fund the purchase of a Benelli M4 barrel. It was on the shelf. I had replaced it with a Vortex Razor 1-10. I do miss it though.

[@joshdixon795]

thanks for testing products the ordinary guy can afford (with a little saving up) and doing these videos. Im still hoping youll mount that elcan on the barrel length with the ammo it was designed for. Im on the front range and its pretty hard to get a day without 10-15 mph wind here to properly sight it in past 100m

[@BrassFacts]

I just zero the elcan at 156 yards, and the drop lines up perfectly for a 11.5. or at least well enough for hits out to 600

[@williamhsteele]

Been Debating on this scope, I’ve been using a viper vortex 2.5-10 for like 10 years on my 18” spr. Thanks for reviewing.

[@justsnuggle]

I agree this area of scopes has been neglected. 2 to 12 is awesome. I would love to see a one to eight that actually has a 40 mm objective lens instead of 24.

[@rich1958]

Check out swamp fox optics. They have a 2-12x44. It is very reasonably priced and is a nice scope. I have used in .308 bolt and AR10.

[@justsnuggle]

@@rich1958 Thank you. Funny you should mention that I have just recently been looking at that optic. Also athlon has two in this area one that's around 250 and the other one around 450. Thanks

[@nastysoda9212]

Pretty ballsy shooting right up on your jeep like that. Also great review, I own this optic and it's my favorite to use.

[@kerndawg8877]

I went with this in the ACSS reticle for my uncle's 18" SPR build. I wanted to give him those capabilities but without the business of the HUD DMR that I would probably want for that kind of rifle. I also feel like when you get into higher magnification optics than an lpvo, the advantages of FFP (holdovers staying true through the magnification range) become more apparent.

[@AmericanelST205]

I think the reticle help much for know distance, i have see newest 3-18x44 with Athena BPR mil but don't have horizontal lines like that for estimate chest size distance. Damn

[@CivilianOperators]

Building out an SPR upper… really appreciate your info!

[@JosephWhales]

I realize that this is a late comment, but I got the GLX 2.5-10x for my "field" rifle. I actually sold my 1-6x Razor. I guess I got tired of the compromises. Anyway, that little issue that you mentioned with the hash marks lining up was driving me crazy. Yeah, a touch of OCD. Instead of trying to force the cap, try this. When you set the zero stop, take note on the red collar that engages the click button on the cap. It is anchored at a single point and allows for a little play. What I did was, when tightening the (red) zero stop collar, put a bit of counter clockwise pressure on it as you hold it up. Then start tightening at the set screw opposite the anchor point. This lined up the hash marks for me. Enjoyed your review. Your and Hop's comments lead me to try it out and went with it instead of the PST. I also had a bit of trouble with the Chevron. I just zeroed using the 2 mil hash mark and dial up 2 mils when I want to use the Chevron. I'm gonna use it like that for a while and see how it works out. Oh, which ring mount is it that you're using for the red dot.

[@BrassFacts]

thanks yeah basically I figured out something similar it's a larue mount

[@CoryHobbs2178]

Dude I can't wait to check out this new compact PLx

[@calvinruggles732]

I liked the video, it was a good watch, and I enjoy the reasons behind your decisions. I also landed on the 2.5-10 range for my spr, but I went with the vortex viper pst. My opinion is that while I very much like first focal plane on precision scopes that I primarily dial, I prefer sfp and simple reticles on a fighting gun. Again, just an opinion, and another option in that magnification range that I agree is kind of the sweet spot for the intended role

[@alexanderm8880]

Normally I love the chevron but I gotta agree, in this case they could've just gone with it a dot or crosshair.

[@CampbellsCoins]

Really enjoying the content on your channel, especially the doggo cameos. New sub. Keep it up.

[@BrassFacts]

The dog is the secret sauce. Don't tell anymore

[@kevingipe8242]

Digging that setup, badass and not too busy

[@TacticalTack]

Liked this scope when I had it, but traded it out for a swampfox Kentucky Long 2-12 with the recce mil reticle. Better glass, range, and field of view. Comes with sunshade and throw lever.. Only down sides were 2 ounces heavier and the primary arms reticle is better/easier to use than the swampfox Christmas tree mil reticle.

[@vlaricshard2]

Does the Kentucky long have adjustable parallax?

[@TacticalTack]

@@vlaricshard2 yessir and illuminated. Illumination is at least on par but I think better than the primary arms.

[@mtnbound2764]

im thinking of putting a 2.5-10x on a spare 16" to turn it into a "dmr" upper.. really just more of a long range oriented set up compared to the more close to mid distance set up for most carbines... the Burris fullfield IV 2.5-10x is looking like a potential option to try it out without spending too much.

[@fnkdtnk]

2-12 with a tree of some sort is what I wam hunting for to put on my .270 deer rifle. I hate using Kentucky windage at 3-400 yards, but finding a scope that isn’t clownishly large for a hunting rifle, yet still has some adjustment and reticle capability is rough. This looks promising.

[@msims1250]

I got one of these a couple of weeks ago. I'm liking it so far, although I haven't used it a whole heckuva lot yet. Good review!!

[@danielllewellyn5720]

Nice subjective review. I've been interested in this optic and I enjoyed you realistic non biased review. Keep up the good work.

[@joquin4618]

Love mine! I got it when it 1st came out for about $450 ish on sale … had to exchange because the a piece of dirt inside the scope- PA responded quickly and sent me out a replacement ASAP. Illumination sucks, but everything else is good to go as an “SPR” set up. I’m gonna add a off set RDS to also do a little bit “CQB” with it! Over all, I am extremely pleased with this optic! Good job sir!

[@BrassFacts]

thanks! 450, wow. What a steal.

[@KamalasVACANTwomb]

How’s their warranty. Do they have lifetime like vortex or a ‘lifetime’ as long as you never use it ?

[@joquin4618]

@@KamalasVACANTwomb I believe it’s limited lifetime warranty, so as long as you don’t willfully/deliberately destroy it, They’ll cover it…. I used it once due to an initial defect when this model 1st came out. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@BrassFacts]

@@KamalasVACANTwomb no idea. I never really care much for warrantees, and Haven't needed to use it yet. TBD I guess

[@woodrowcall3158]

I haven’t missed the parallax adjustment yet while running my Credo 2-10, but granted I tended to forget about it on most of my other rifles.

[@ramentaryramblings]

brassfacts ftw

[@FlowBaka]

No parallax on the credo 2-10 turned me off to it, I ended up getting the 2.5-15x44 instead. Sacrificing the FFP to SFP.

[@runmyfade4350]

I’ve been thinking of doing the same, how do you like it

[@FlowBaka]

@@runmyfade4350 I like it a lot, glass is good. It’s got a lot of eye relief. Just wish it was FFP. Because I like shooting 300-400 on 5-6x. Although at bottom of the reticle which tell you what the subtensions are at different power which is helpful.

[@cl9260]

@@FlowBaka Can you break down how different your impacts are at lower power? The main reason I haven't bought an SFP in this power range is I don't know what kind of shift I would get halfway through tye power range versus at the max. Is it low compared to zero/hold point at max power and full reticle accuracy? Or high? Those were my guesses. And no one I've seen on YT compares point of aim and impact at 100 yards to underline it so...asking you cuz it seems like you know.

[@FlowBaka]

@@cl9260 I have not noticed a shift through the power range as long as I’m using the center dot and parallax is set. It’s just alittle slower at anything under full power because the reticle changed sub tensions. But atleast trijicon etched the power and sub tensions at the bottom. I think that’s what your asking.

[@cl9260]

@@FlowBaka So, basically I'm asking for the center aiming point. Then your first hashmark. At center does point of aim and impact shift through the power range? (You said no to this so that was first question originally) At reticle subtensions halfway through power range, where they would be true at 15x...where are impacts at 7x on the same distance target compared to point of aim? I'm asking so I get an idea of how coarse aiming changes because I ain't the best rifleman.

[@BenfromFlux]

Awesome video. Thank you!

[@JNOSNOW]

I have this and the 2.5-10 credo and I don't really mind the Credo not having parallax, I don't feel it handicaps that scope at all.

[@smartaIec]

Quite sad that PA canned this product. The GLx 1-10 doesn’t seem like a good enough alternative with inferior light transmission and no parallax adjustment.

[@Exl6243]

I hear that they're doing a Gen II in 2025, maybe making a 2-12 to compete with Athlon. We'll have to see though if this comment ages like wine or milk. We could also see them use Japanese glass to put it in the PLx line and compete with the Leupold 2-10x30, where we get a potentially cheaper scope that provides 2x more magnification with an ACTUAL reticle instead of Leupold's dooky reticles on the 2-10...

[@christianzale505]

That red dead redemption 2 music is a nice touch

[@M4tt925]

Back here again for the second time on this review. Trying to decide if I get one of these for my 16” PSA upper (first rifle ever) to complement the PA red dot, or save up longer and replace the 16” upper with an 18” BCM or similar quality upper and bite the bullet on a PLX line or Nightforce. Orrrrr do both, slowly over time as I become a better shooter and collect more coin.

[@marcosablan]

Sweet. Might be the one for my SFAR. For me I also want to have a piggy back with also NV and a thermal clip on in front when needed

[@tidypog3272]

They REALLY should have made one side of the autorange ladder just straight mils.

[@BrassFacts]

that would be awesome actually.

[@1lostinspace]

Would you use the mils on the reticle for that? 😃

[@tidypog3272]

@@1lostinspace yeah you can and I've done it on mine. It would be easier if it was on a ladder with half mil marks

[@1lostinspace]

@@tidypog3272 Weird mine has 1/2 mil marks

[@dmgill83]

I was looking at this scope vs a Vortex 2-10x32 for the same price (roughly, plus mount) for a JP 18" and probably would have bought it, had I not stumbled on a LNIB demo model of Vortex PST 3-15 FFP Mil for $550. The only time I regret the decision is lifting it, lol. I'll be buying it if I ever get a chance to build a 6.5crm and put the GLX on the JP.

[@Goldenwithaleash]

I love PA optics and have several of their scopes and LPVO’s. I recently splurged and bought a Daniel Defense DD5V3 16” .308 AR10. I looked hard at this PA scope but ultimately went with a Trijicon Credo 1-8 LPVO. My thinking on the purpose of the rifle is being a heavy hitting battle rifle capable of taking distance shots and not really a DMR/SPR. Haven’t had a chance to take it out to shoot yet but we’ll see. Worst case, I’ll sell the Trijicon and go with a more traditional scope.

[@sissydreams7494]

Hey there. How do you like the CREDO 1-8x28mm? I'm seriously looking at getting one for my 20" bull-barrel 5.56. However, this PA Glx 2.5-10x44mm has got me second-guessing myself. Any input is welcome & appreciated! 🙂

[@Goldenwithaleash]

@@sissydreams7494 you’re in luck, my friend, because I also have a PA 2.5-10x with Raptor reticle that I have on my 18” AR15. For your 20” setup, i definitely recommend the 2.5-10x. With a h-bar 20”, I’m guessing you’re probably going to be shooting mostly from a stabilized position (bench, kneeling, prone, braced, ect…) at distances greater than 50 yards. The extra 2x doesn’t sound like a lot but it does make a big difference when shooting at distance. I’d go 2.5-10x and if you’re concerned about CQB, get an offset red dot, piggyback red dot, or fixed 45 degree iron sights. Hopefully that helps. Good luck!

[@sissydreams7494]

@@Goldenwithaleash Thanks very much for your insight!

[@yakivpopavich]

I have the SLX 1-8 FFP Raptor with the ACSS and it's pretty cool, functionality is great as well. I'll admit you obviously aren't going to get the same glass quality you will as opposed to shelling out thousands for an optic. That being said it's great for both unknown and even marked distances. At the 500 yarder I go to It was very easy to transition between the targets without having to dial at all. The reticle does all of the work, and it's brightness was pretty damn good I'll add. Not to mention it comes with 2 Night Vision settings, and my PVS-14 can pickup one of them rather well without washout being an issue.

[@CoryHobbs2178]

Never fear, gold series 1-6x is in the works

[@yakivpopavich]

@@CoryHobbs2178 Is that true?, I don't keep up on what they e-mail me and stuff so I'm clueless. I know sadly I can't afford the Platinum lineup and I think the Silver was a great entry level LPVO for me, especially given it's First Focal Plane. If the Gold series is some in-between that has increased glass quality and reticle brightness and some other improvements like the PLx does kinda I'd be interested!.

[@CoryHobbs2178]

@@yakivpopavich absolutely, the gold series is probably 90 to 95% as good of glass quality, but half the cost. I'm sure the brightness and all that will be in line with silver. I might just snag the new platinum compact once it's released next month though. But the gold will be nice for some of my other backup guns that I can get two gold for the price of one platinum

[@yakivpopavich]

@@CoryHobbs2178 That's awesome I'm going to keep my eye out for the release of that gold series for sure then!

[@maddantt7757]

Huge fan, brother.

[@BrassFacts]

thanks man, glad to have you onboard.

[@itsamk18-ish]

I got one of the gen 2 1x prisms and it has horrible illumination spill… it lights up the whole glass when on a high setting. I never need it up that high so it’s fine i guess. I just thought it was funny cause i had the same Amazon scope vibes 😂😂

[@Boneronfire]

I have a Nightforce 2.5-10 with no parallax knob and it’s a bummer.

[@WilmsIsBoss]

Freakin love these videos

[@otetechie]

I’m actually kind of surprised it has a parallax adjustment on a 10X optic. You used to never see that on anything 10x or lower. Even the old fixed 10 power sniper scopes never had a parallax adjustment.

[@jimforrester9776]

Waiting to push the order button have been debating the 2.5 setting for close under 100 years ranges hashing over a 1x10 but think the 2.5x10 will have a better picture with better light gathering wish you had more close range putting it on and AR10 308 win replacing a vortex with MOA grid for ranging looking for something faster for ranging and can be used in close quarters like a red dot

[@toddboone333]

The Swampfox Kentucky Long 2-12x44 beats the PA and the Credo. It has parallax adjustment and it’s almost daylight bright in a FFP for under $500.

[@BrassFacts]

I have it. it does not beat it. But it certainly is major value for the money and close. The SF has some issues, like worse turrets, zeroing that has a 50-50 chance of lining up etc.

[@James-WM]

Shame the Nightforce and EOTech Vudu are almost $1k more than the PA and $600 over the Trijicon. I think if Trijicon added paralax adjustment it would get a lot more customers having a better reputation for glass clarity and durability.

[@BrassFacts]

I realllllly wanted the credo to be good. I actually bought one. But it was a amazon swaparoon thing (where the previous customer swapped it out). And then Cdoes released his video, and I decided to look elsewhere.

[@James-WM]

@@BrassFacts definitely an under represented market. Was the Credo that bad? I thought the one review on Snipershide (anecdotal, I know) put the optic in a pretty good light.

[@James-WM]

@@BrassFacts I think I'll just wait and if theres nothing better than PA, an ACOG with an offset dot or irons will have to work

[@andrewkenseth4814]

Just purchased this PA 2.5-10 scope and own the Nightforce 2.5-10. I’m interested to compare the two. Maybe I’ll do my first YT review video of the two. Each will sit on a MK12 rifle. One is a MK12 Mod 1 near clone and the other is a DDMK12.

[@ignaciovaccaro2745]

I've been curious about just slapping a 3-9 hunting scope on my AR, my only trouble is finding one with a mil tree and parallax adjustment

[@geebeaux]

3-9 hunting scopes dont have features. Maybe a lame holdover bdc for specific hunting calibers.

[@ignaciovaccaro2745]

@@geebeaux yea that's what i've found. But the magnification range, clarity, weight, and durability at the pricepoint call to me. For an AR, maybe it wouldn't be so bad to just get one of those with the 3 dot bdc and figuring out my own ranging

[@geebeaux]

@@ignaciovaccaro2745 I have leupold vx freedom scopes, good glass for the money, lightweight, capped turrets. Fit PERFECT in the Aero ultralight mount.

[@mrguiltyfool]

I have a vortex crossfire ii 3-9x50 good eye box but lame recticle

[@BigJazzHands]

I notice you using an Athlon scope at 15:54. How would you compare that to this PA, and which model was it?

[@GetMeThere1]

I REALLY like the PA chevron -- on the Holosun Vulcan and the prism scopes. On a longer range scope...no.

[@wonderloaf]

Good info

[@Hoplopfheil]

flag_ie

[@jboone4354]

This looks like northern Utah, is it?

[@BrassFacts]

yep

[@jkellyid]

Wish this could go up to 12 power. More just relating to my own vision issues. Especially lacking parallax adjustment. I typically need a better zoom to compensate for my lack of visual clarity with my eyes. Also I'm a guy who is happy to use intermediate zooms. The other day in my 2-12 power Leupold holding scope on my spr and I had it at 6 power for faster target transitions at range. Though 12 power would certainly facilitate more accurate shooting.

[@woodrowcall3158]

How does parallax adjustment affect your eyes?

[@TBR_LLC]

Really well done

[@BrassFacts]

thanks man!

[@50shadesofcerakote]

The subtle things I appreciate, the chill tunes, and the puppers content. haha Been considering an 18" upper with one of these optics. The more I think about it, the more I decide I dont need my 6.5 R700... haha Maybe I should wait a couple months to decide if its just an itch or not.

[@BrassFacts]

give in, scratch that itch!

[@50shadesofcerakote]

@@BrassFacts I got that 18"... Aero's halloween sale was noice.

[@benningsniper9516]

I've been very happy with my US optics TS12X. it's smaller and lighter than this optic, with a good mil reticle, very fine lines, and it weighs something like 18oz. There is also a 3-9 credo that looks very intersting, and is also very light. This optic is simply too heavy.

[@charmingmander331]

Too heavy? Lmao it weighs less than the original Razor 1-6.

[@benningsniper9516]

@@charmingmander331 it's still too heavy compared to other options with similar or better features on the market. Building an SPR the right way involves sourcing parts that save every possible ounce. This optic is too heavy for that.

[@basher2209]

We a need a video on your rifle painting. Top notch look.

[@BrassFacts]

if you go way back, I paint my AK in a similar manner.

[@schizosaint777]

Hmm, I wonder how Demetri will reply.

[@CN11235]

Do you have any experience with the Athlon 2-12? Trying to decide between that or primary arms. So far on paper, diggin the Athlon reticle and FOV

[@mc4056]

I saw in comments you used LaRue mount but no mention of the dot? How do you feel about using a holosun 407k or something along those lines I remember you saying it's not worth using certain reflex dots on rifles because of limited window. Any suggestions let me know looking to build this sighting setup out.

[@BrassFacts]

I would use a 407C the Ks are for compact handguns I prefer the rmr for it's NV performance. (407C suck at that).

[@MarkBadia]

Great video and thanks for the honest review. I wanted to ask with the expanding introduction of LPVO with 1-10 FFP capabilities for a general scope used with 5.56 or 308 for run and gun and shooting out to 1000 yards would those be a better option than the 2 or 2.5 to 10? Their tubes are more narrow, so, maybe they are more limiting in terms of image brightness and maybe that is sufficient to justify the move up to the 2.5 to 10. I have not had the opportunity to shoot a 1-10 nor a 2.5 to 10 so your feedback is very helpful. PS I like your dog and I like that you include him in your videos, mine are always with me except when I go shooting.

[@BrassFacts]

my instinct is "no" But I will actually be testing that here soon with a vudu 1-10x

[@robertmandel2971]

What in your opinion is the benefit of the 2.5-10 on an “SPR” vs the PA 1-10?

[@BrassFacts]

I cover that concept generally in my GPR vs SPR video. it really depends what you're trying to do with the system.

[@cl9260]

The sum up of the scope and the sorry state of the market leaves this item with a "didn't hit it out of the park but no one else tried" vibe as a primary thought. The second part of the scope is the catering to price point and the performance leaves the value for dollar higher than scopes double the money. This is both because of the sorry state of the oversaturated LPVO market and the distinct forcing of a DMR rifle to move away from this precise power range. I researched for about 5 weeks watching reviews on lpvos and nearly fell down the Vortex rabbit hole and have the new primary arms PLX LPVO on order (I owned the old one and they let me warranty exchange for the new one after illumination failure) and I can say I've had bad overall experience with their illumination but their reticle design feels the most thought out. I kept waffling with trying to wait out the pre-order versus the fact it's a sin to consider running a 308 with no parallax adjustment. The LPVO has an intended home on a 5.56mm but will be my "nicest" scope and the 308 is my "nicest" rifle. So I juggled this for weeks and you basically summed up over a month of research into 20 minutes of video. Takeaways is scope is worth it, compromises are reasonable compared to purpose and reticle holds and turret tracking are well on point for price and able to withstand abuse. Literally gonna dig through your channel and see what else you know and what other big ass L you can save me from. Cuz if I had settled on an LPVO I'd kick myself. You a bad man.

[@ACOJV214TX]

Like the red dead redemption music 🤙🏼

[@davidhartley6232]

Looks like the perfect civilian SPR scope! 👍

[@TylerJames-gf8ms]

Awesome video! Any thoughts on the Vortex Viper PST Gen 2 3-15x44 FFP?

[@James-WM]

That scope is recommended by Phillip Velayo from Modern Day Sniper.

[@TEXwithNODS]

Great scope, but is large for an AR, and doesn't have locking turrents.

[@brianbennett1136]

Planning on getting this optic for my ak101

[@RomanicusSparticus]

What are your thoughts on the vortex viper 2.5-10x44? How does it compare? Pros vs cons? You spoke about the credo. So was just curious on one of the other offerings.

[@BrassFacts]

I'm not that familiar with it. Hop wasn't as big of a fan, and said he preferred this scope on paper. I think if you scroll through the comments he responded to someone asking a similar question

[@yourrektdreams6802]

Stupid, off-topic comment. but what what paint do you use for your rifles? I've tried looking for rustoleum/krylon camo lines of spray paint. But they're out of stock everywhere.

[@BrassFacts]

just whatever is in the store. Typically it's rustoleum, but I'll just grab whatever if they dont have that

[@yourrektdreams6802]

@@BrassFacts thanks

[@Bisley1]

Are you happy with the Griffin reticle or do you wish you had gone with the Raptor? Would the trick of subtracting two mils and using the top of the christmas tree still work with the raptor or only with the griffin? Thanks

[@BrassFacts]

I like it. For something like this it fits. For the lpvos I'd go raptor.

[@Bisley1]

@@BrassFacts great, thanks for the fast reply!! Do you have any experience with the Vortex pst 2 2-10x? I am deciding between the two, but leaning heavily towards the PA thanks to your reviews

[@MattChat56]

Question: I have a 13.7” I am building. Would it be worth setting that length rifle up this way? Or should I go prism with piggy back red dot? Reason for this build is the best “do all rifle things average” rifle in a need one rifle situation.

[@sirbalanced5486]

Is your 13.7 a GPR? (general purpose rifle) LPVO 1-4/1-6/1-8 from Trijicon, PA, Vortex W/a piggy backed red dot is a good set-up. Or a fixed 4* ACOG w/piggy backed red dot Or red dot + with a 3*/5* magnifier combo is good. If your trying to cover all bases I’d go with one of those options What manufacturer is your 13.7?

[@rc-pm1fe]

So I have a 13.7 with a swampfox Arrowhead 1x10 and an offset red dot. However I love the pa acss reticle as I have a 1x6 on my 12.5, wife's rifle. I'm debating selling the swampfox and upgrading to this, probably the Griffin mil. So you have any experience with the Arrowhead and do you think it would be worth the extra cash and hassle of the swap. Also I have a pa 4x14 acss on my 16 in mk12.

[@mattsam4335]

What rmr scope tube mount is that? I have the PA Plx scope mount with the rmr top mount but it doesn’t clear my top turret

[@BrassFacts]

larue

[@bongthepanda]

Forgive me if you already said it in the video but Id love to know you which piggyback red dot mount you’re using. I’ve heard that the turrets on this optic are pretty high but your red dot seems to be sitting at the perfect height. Appreciate the content! All the love and blessings.

[@BrassFacts]

larue

[@realfubar6238]

What’s your opinion on a acog for a GPR? I only have red dots On my rifles and wanted some magnification but wanted to keep the weight down on my boomstick compared to having the weight of a scope.

[@BrassFacts]

I think a ACOG is for a more specialized setup. My "mountain gun" setup if you will, and I'd personally prefer a LPVO for a GPR. That being said... ACOGs slap, and I wouldn't even bat an eye if a ACOG + rmr stack is what I'd have to use for here on out.

[@hxdaro]

@@BrassFacts What do you mean by "mountain gun"?

[@kacasio1]

So for clarity he you are dialing Down 2 Mils of elevation then using the 2 mil as a crosshair for your aiming point?

[@Bdubsy]

Anyone know what mount he’s using for the scope w/ top mounted RMR?

[@11pack09]

Any experience with vortex’s pst 2-10? I have their gen2 1-6 and whilst I think it’s fantastic I don’t have experience with anything else and understand that because something in the lineup is awesome doesn’t mean everything is.

[@Hoplopfheil]

I have the PST Gen II 2-10x32, it's not a great choice for a bunch of reasons. Weight, unlocked turrets, small objective lens. Good quality optic but very odd design choices that make it badly suited to this POU.

[@11pack09]

@@Hoplopfheil and this is why I ask questions, awesome thanks!

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@Hoplopfheil almost got one but instead got a Leupold

[@CutlassOutdoors]

Great video! What do you think of the Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x42 for the same SPR type role? Do you think SFP still has value in this type of role?

[@BrassFacts]

I need to try one, dont really have a opinion on it yet

[@MrCannonls]

I ran an NXS 2.5-10x42 for a while. I found the Paralax to be annoyingly finicky. Also, the reticle choices are 15 years old and you can’t lock the windage turret. I think FFP is better in this magnification range but it being SFP was not my biggest issue with it. With some minor updating the NXS could be a real contender here.

[@CutlassOutdoors]

@@MrCannonls Thanks for that take. I have one now, but I haven't really had much of a chance to use it. I'm happy with it so far. Did you see that they did a limited run of the 2.5-10x24? No adjustable parallax, but I think that it weighs as much as their NX8, which makes it a pretty compelling package. It changes a couple of variables in the equation anyway. Not for everybody.

[@daryenmirabal2656]

Do a review on the swapefox 2x10x44 or there 2x12x44

[@shanep6528]

great scope for sure running one on a 308 carbine

[@oldannyboy37]

You likely won't see this, but what would your thoughts be on running a T2 type optic on that piggyback set up where you have your RMR? I mostly ask because that would net you am enclosed emitter, long batter life, and in some cases better NV use (from what I understand). Seems like it would be a few ounces heavier, but aside from that I can't think of any downsides. I've also never used a piggyback setup like that though.

[@booba8930]

There's been a lot of people using T2's over RMR's on top of magnified optics, both variable and ACOG's. This is happening as companies are finally producing mounts for them. It's definitely a viable option and better than an RMR on paper

[@mckennaConfig]

I dk. I appreciate your SPR concept but relying on 5.56 to have first round hits at 600 yards seems like a fools errand. IMO, even in the worst case scenario as a civilian, if you need a first round hit at that distance, use a .308 rifle or be willing to accept follow up shots. 5.56 really is ideal 0-300 yards while still capable to 600. In that regard, 1-6x is the best LPVO setup.

[@Bender_B._Rodriguez]

The spr concept is just a mk12 and is just fine out to 600. Go watch his video on the urban combat is not cqb or something like that.

[@collinis1]

What was the optic mount you were using with the pic rail on top?

[@SonotCali]

I need to know what mount that RMR is on. Love how it’s away from the turrets and not next to it like many I’ve seen. Please respond and thank you!!

[@SonotCali]

Larue maybe

[@BrassFacts]

yep, larue

[@chrissalazar4143]

No thoughts on the Athlon Helos BTR 2-12x42? Got mine for about $300. Weighs around 25oz and eye relief is similar.

[@BrassFacts]

reviewing coming right up

[@mattnikirobidou]

what about the Leupold vx5hd 2-10x42?

[@ghostlight69420]

If you have any money to spend look into the nightforce 2.5-10 compact scope. Its very lighteeight and perfect for an spr

[@BrassFacts]

it's on the list. Trying out some other stuff first, but it's likely where I'll finally end up

[@mohawk3371]

The NXS 2.5-10 is SFP. That's a deal breaker for most. In terms of FFP medium power variable power scope with parallax adjustment the options seem to be very limited. We have this, the Vortex PST 2-10.

[@ghostlight69420]

@@mohawk3371 Yeah it is limited, and there's good reason. At any distance where you can't use 10x, you also don't need to holdover. And if you do, just dial to 5x and recall that each mil dot in the reticle is actually .5 mil. Or just dial. This isn't some big 5-25x scope. Optic companies generally don't make 2-10x FFP because it just makes the scope heavy, expensive, less optically correct, in addition to problems that can be had when your reticle changes size constantly. As the distance (at the target) between hash marks grows, so does the thickness of the crosshairs. Be glad for once that they aren't selling you something you don't need. God bless and good luck.

[@mohawk3371]

@@ghostlight69420 For competition, or recreational applications, where you're only concerned with shooting known targets at known distances, and not running in a team, then sure I agree. But in real world applications where you are scanning for threats/targets, and may have a narrow time window to engage targets, while maintaining situational awareness, and a common tactical picture with your team mates, it is very helpful to have a FFP. There is a reason why not only most popular LPVOs, but most scopes in use by the military (the old school Army NXS 2.5-10 F1, the Marine's VCOG SCO, SOCOM's NF ATACR, the Army's Sig tango6t sdmr/dvo ect.) are mostly FFP.

[@ghostlight69420]

@@mohawk3371 Ah...do much runnin in a team do ya? Thanks pal I needed a chuckle. Again, its just a 10x scope, it's going to be hard to get lost in it, and if so just dial to 5 and remember the rule of thumb for callouts. Frankly I don't care what the military is wasting my money on these days and neither should you. Understand the drawbacks of the lighter, simpler, less expensive, and better proven SFP and pick that one.

[@dpsthomas]

US Optics FDN 1.8-10x

[@Jazz3006]

I'm thinking about putting this on an 18" Grendel with a planned max distance of 1K. Is the glass in this good enough to hold up to that use? I have a Talos in 4-16 for my bolt gun and was kind of disappointed out at 500+

[@BrassFacts]

I would get more for 1000. It's doable but gonna be tough.

[@Jazz3006]

@@BrassFacts is it doable in the same sense that that shot is achievable with a Grendel in the first place? Or short of the potential of the Grendel?

[@BrassFacts]

@@Jazz3006 optics. This 10x can do it. But you can probably do better if 1000yds is the goal.

[@Jazz3006]

@@BrassFacts Are you aware of any glass that fits that bill? I got excited about this one because of the reticle and what seems to be decent glass in an affordable package. I've not really found much else that seems like a good option. Specifically something that still CAN be used at shorter ranges, if needed.

[@BrassFacts]

@@Jazz3006 10-1000 is a very extreme range. Having a rifle that can do it all well is unrealistic. 10-500? sure. If you really are set on it I'd say (while 10x is doable) 16x is closer to what I consider a minimum for 1000 yards

[@juicewayne7351]

Is that RDR music?

[@eazybrah]

Would you say its worth upgrading from a Gen 1 PST 2.5-10x32 ffp to this?

[@fook-joby-den6172]

The GLx4 2.5-10x ACSS raptor m2&acss griffin Mil, TA31 ACSS aurora(red&green), PLx: 1-8x ACSS raptor m2&acss griffin Mil along w/HS503G mrds are all awesome optics with some of best value $4$ & Reticles on market. I’m completely Pumped and will be re-homing 1/2 PLx’s THEN Buying One of Ea Reticle of the PA PLx Gen2 1-8x FFP 34mm LPVO which is a amazing 16.9oz vs the HEAVY As F**K 26.9oz. My POF Revolution DI 16.5” .308 w/o mag will be 9lb6oz w/ Gen2 PLx-1-8x raptor reticle, Badger c.o.m.m. Mount w/offset J-Arm hosting HE509T MRDS, oKW/18650/ds00/Arisaka in-line scout mount, & uT hot button& BFG red 2to1 sling. By comparison my 16” BCM BFH ELW w/ TA31 green Aurora ACSS/adm Cantileaver QD mount+Arisaka 35deg offset w/HE508T V2 gR(green) elite, same okw set up as above& same sling as above is 8.5lb w/o mag. Not bad to add the 2x magnification & 2.3x the energy on target for merely another 14oz. Great review on a excellent optic!

[@ribbitcroak]

If you want to sell that acss acog I'm your guy :)

[@fook-joby-den6172]

@@ribbitcroak You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take right? Lol I actually decided to kept my Green one & recently sold one to a close relative for their primary rifle. When I saw they were disco’d I told him if he ever decides he’d like to part with it I’ll happily buy it back from them. They really are a great optic for their glass, simplicity/durability & that reticle make they one or more functional way to quickly & effectively put rounds on target out to 500 yards n change. I used the funds to buy a PLx for my 13.9” 6.5Grendel I’m finishing up.

[@ribbitcroak]

@@fook-joby-den6172 damn you lucky bastard...I hemmed and hawed for YEARS over getting an acss acog then recently was like ok I'm finally gonna do it only to find out trijicon canceled them...fuck my life

[@ribbitcroak]

@@fook-joby-den6172 have a whole lightweight build planned out that will never get made bc of it. I refuse to get a regular acog or the PA prisms instead

[@fook-joby-den6172]

@@ribbitcroak my hope is that they will drop a new reticle design. If not the. TBH the next best option I’d be the Gen2 PLx 1-8x with new variant of raptor reticle. As it’s only 16.9oz+3-8oz for a mount & 1.5-2ounces for a HE509T. As I believe my ADM 2.05” QD Cantilever mount w/ my TA31+ Arisaka 35deg offset w/He508 is maybe 14.5-16OZ for both mounts & both optics. As if use say a Badger 1.70” w/ j-Arm offset & Gen2 PLx 1-8x +HE509t I’d think you could keep it around 26.5-28.5oz somewhere plus & gain the additional magnification for the extra 10-12oz as a plan B. As that one something like a V-Seven 14.5” fluted barrel 5.56 that’s 4lb 6oz would be a sweet package.

[@stewiegriffin2143]

How do you feel about the PST Gen 2 2-10

[@shaolinwarriormark]

What optic was co witnessed on top of your 2.5-10× and wgat mount did you use? Thats what i have been dreaming about!

[@BrassFacts]

larue

[@wollsmoth69]

I know I'm commenting on an old vid but I had a question. Why was your rifle malfunctioning so much in this vid?