THE LAST OF US 1x9 "Look For The Light" - Blind Reaction!

[@studiobeaming]

What animal would you be thrilled to run into post-apocalypse?

[@thrummer1953]

A nice Great Pyrenees for a Travel Buddy.

[@studiobeaming]

​@@thrummer1953 oh man, I'd LOVE to have my dog with me, but I feel like he'd give away my position too much 🥲

[@kryharper]

If we're talking about domestic animals then dogs for sure,but if it zoo animals then it as to be panda's especially red panda's

[@Hustlemandalorian]

Giraffe was a good one, or also a zebra or elephant would be cool.

[@philly_osophy]

Whoa, you just blew my mind. Comparing it to the trolley problem, but changing it so one of the people is your child completely shifts the problem in such a fascinating way.

[@jackbauer5455]

To me it would make no difference while it would be tough not going to lie probably would be devastated but if it was my child but I still would of allowed her/him to do the operation because one person does not outweigh the rest of the world its crazy how people could think any other way .

[@alexwiththeglasses]

Similar to trolley problem but with two differences… only a potential cure - no certain outcome, and Ellie is not an adult - question of her age to responsibly make this kind of decision for herself (Joel had become her adult caretaker).

[@TomTomson81]

​​@@alexwiththeglasseshere is no difference, because no one has asked themselves these questions. Everyone is convinced that Ellie brings the cure, including Joel. That it works is never questioned by anyone. Joel's only statement was "find someone else". So if it had been up to him, he wouldn't have had a problem with another child dying in Ellie's place. Ellie's age doesn't matter either. She grew up in a world where you grow up quickly. She killed, rescued, injured, cared for people. She was almost raped and chopped up. She was already making grown-up decisions all the time. The last one was to stand against Joel and continue to search for the Fireflys. Her first decision was not to take her own life with Riley. And just because it fits, is she suddenly too young? No, she has consistently proven that she doesn't need anyone to make any decisions for her.

[@alexwiththeglasses]

@@TomTomson81 Tyvm for the thoughtful and clear reply. Yes, Ellie being a minor has nothing to do with the Trolley Problem. It was a response to some saying it should be Ellie’s decision - a separate issue. The Trolley Problem requires determined no-doubt outcomes, and that’s where I’ve got an issue. I’m looking at kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3nHoaqAjJeomqM btw. “He thinks it could be a cure.” (2:53) In my book that’s a possibility, not a fact, commitment, or even a likelihood. If someone says they just think they can pick me up at the airport I’m looking for another ride. Their doctor is even just guessing that the cordyceps have been growing inside Ellie since birth and is going to cut into her brain ASAP to find out (per Marlene at 2:31). Marlene/some Fireflies unilaterally made the decision to kill Ellie hoping to find a cure - outcome not guaranteed. Imho not quite The Trolley Problem.

[@Hereticked]

@@alexwiththeglasses Not only is the creation of the "cure" in doubt, but even if we knew it was a certainty, all evidence in the story indicates that replicating Ellie's immunity would not save humanity. The damage of the Cordyceps infection is already done. 99% of humanity is gone, civilization is wrecked and the world is full of monsters. A vaccine would do nothing to bring that 99% of humanity back or destroy the monsters. All it would do is make surviving humans immune to future infection, if you could coordinate the resources and infrastructure to get it in every survivor's arm (doubtful.) Even if you could do that, it would make the world maybe 5-10% better. It certainly wouldn't bring back modern civilization. It wouldn't stop clickers from ripping peoples necks out and bloaters from twisting their head 180 degrees. It wouldn't stop the remaining enclaves of humanity fighting each other for the dwindling, limited resources. And for this poorly thought out, haphazard plan that has little chance of significantly improving the world, Marlene is willing to take away Ellie's agency and kill her. The Fireflies really didn't think this through.

[@TerryYelmene]

"...It's your child on the track... that changes everything." Great react!

[@p-forest]

Yes, people were complaining that Bella didn't look enough like the character Ellie in the game. I'm sure the showrunners were laughing behind the scenes, knowing that Bella actually looks a lot like Ashley, who portrayed/voiced Ellie. And yes, it was a real giraffe; I was going to be disappointed if they hadn't included this scene even though I guess it's not essential to the show.

[@gisellemunoz8365]

Lmfao you guys are the best. New subscriber here. You guys are just so genuine and deserve the best :)!!

[@studiobeaming]

Thank you, we appreciate it!

[@marcoace9852]

me gusta mucho su reccionde ella , muy emocional

[@dd-zh4nq]

Thx for that great reaction. I love seeing people who haven't played the game react . And i can see how much her reaction is genuine. I hope you're channel grow you have great comment and real focus. Instant sub.😁😁😁

[@studiobeaming]

Thank you so much!

[@Pandaemoni]

Technically, when Joel said, "They've stopped looking for a cure," that was true.

[@Hustlemandalorian]

Hi, new to the channel, enjoyed your reaction and thoughts on the show. I feel like there’s right and wrong on both sides, but I understand why Joel went haam. The fireflies started it all by being hostile and not telling Ellie & Joel what they were going to do. If they had, Ellie no doubt would have chosen to sacrifice herself but I feel that she also would have convinced Joel that that was what she wanted and they would have been able to say goodbye. Now that being said, Joel should not have lied to her, especially after she told him to swear he was telling the truth. I know he partly did it to keep Ellie safe so she wouldn’t keep looking for more fireflies or someone else who could try to make a cure but he really should have been honest with her.

[@notariize]

I relate to the anxiety when they were sharing puns again all happily like when is the other shoe gonna drop

[@Hustlemandalorian]

😂 Yeah that made me laugh cuz that’s exactly what this show does to you, anytime things are going too well and people are happy, you’re like ok who’s about to die? Lol

[@llamallama1509]

There may be other immune people on the planet, but the majority won't know it because they don't get bit, or if they do get bit they or someone else finishes them off before immunity can be shown.

[@Devour_]

The giraffe is real they shot it on an elevated blue screen platform, I think they replaced the leaves on the first branch because of bleeding from the blue screen. The leaves don't move very naturally.

[@eltioinge9912]

Gran reacción me suscribo saludos desde MX

[@NoShiiitSherlock]

3:09 - It is why shes immune. ELLIE is Blade

[@studiobeaming]

Thank you!!! Big question answered

[@faresannaba9718]

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[@jtommygun]

Hi, nice reaction. 🙂👍 I vote for the anime movie "your name", is an excellent movie.

[@Haleys_Comet]

Arcane if you haven't seen it yet. I'd love to see your reactions.

[@studiobeaming]

LOVE Arcane! Wish we haven't seen it just so we can react (and experience it for the first time again)

[@Burky33303]

Nurses didnt survive me either in the game. Joel should have taken them out as well😉

[@thrummer1953]

I wasted all of them. I'm with Joel.

[@gl5616]

Laura Bailey (Abby) was one of the nurses !

[@BedbugGaming]

Joel also missed another person running down a hall... that looked a lot like u know who.

[@jackbauer5455]

@@thrummer1953 Well don’t know if you played TLOU part 2 but lets just I’m not with Joel and this decision of his made things a lot worse not only for him but also Ellie. The fact that you happily killed all the nurses means you got something wrong with you these are healthcare staff not soldiers they didn’t deserve just to try to find a cure but I take might make it right to you lol

[@thrummer1953]

@@jackbauer5455 Yes, Something's wrong with Me because TLOU2 Says so. lolololol

[@MrPicklerwoof]

Don't be too sad for Marlene. She was willing to murder a child without even giving her a choice in the matter. With all her claims about saving humanity, she lost her own humanity towards Ellie, sealing her own fate in the process. I think the story is trying to put across a major lesson there.

[@branislavnov]

Its not a trolley problem. Similar, but In trolley problem you are choosing between less and more people who HAVE to die. But Ellie DOES NOT have to die. Fireflies chose to sacrifice her, for possible "greater good."

[@heavybattle6650]

Maybe you didn't pay attention, it is exactly a trolley problem - its Ellie or mankind's future. Joel was the worst possible person to make that decision because of what happened to him.

[@branislavnov]

@@heavybattle6650 dont worry i payed attention and i understand people see it that way, i simply dont agree. Its not a trolley dilemma, it only looks like it on a surface. In trolley dillemma there is no other possible outcome then death. You just decide if less or more people will die. In this scenario its much more complicated. Fireflies simply decided to sacrifice innocent person for "greater good" and joel is simply saving that person.

[@heavybattle6650]

​@@branislavnov A cure would restore mankind and save millions being eaten by zombies and millions others saved when civilization is restored. How is that not worth the life of one person? Joel is not just saving one person, he is also potentially dooming the rest of humanity.

[@supraaznpride]

I mean it's in the brain, hard to take stuff out of the brain while keeping the person alive. And while they have a surgeon and a good amount of equipment it's not like they are working with state of the art stuff in a non post apocalyptic world. She probably wouldn't survive it anyways even if they tried their best to do it while keeping her alive. Not having to try keeping her alive probably gives them the best odds of getting a good working sample.

[@branislavnov]

@@heavybattle6650 and this, what you just asked, is exactly why i love the ending of this story. Yes, i believe that it is not worth the individual innocent life to help civilization. One life is too many. if we find a person with mutation which stops cancer, but extracting this mutation would kill the person, should we do it?

[@rusakova99]

React to mandolorian ?

[@mikecannon8079]

I think RONDA ROUSEY would be the perfect ABBY in Season 2

[@fivestarguy100]

No, just no

[@Pandaemoni]

She would have been, but she's in her mid-30s. Maybe if they make Abby the doctor's wife, rather than daughter, but that ruins the symmetry they were clearly going for.

[@jmslaforzadeldestino4943]

Ellie knows Joel is lying

[@gl5616]

Biggest complaint, was too rushed and needed more infected. Otherwise, a great adaptation. Also, Laura Bailey (Abby), was one of the nurses !

[@studiobeaming]

I think I agree that more infected would have been nice, in that I noticed that it didn't seem like they were AS MUCH of a threat in the show as it seems like they were in the game, from what I've heard from game players! Joel preventing a chance at a cure might have carried even more weight imo if the infected felt like more of an overwhelming, looming threat, though I think this was very effective already. Loved the show

[@Pandaemoni]

I was bummed that they changed the lore on the cordyceps and, in episode 2, added that it has tendrils that sp[read underground for miles creating a network that can alert infected...then never used that again after episode 2. Maybe in Season 2, but I was expectinmg them to use that again.

[@JULIASMITH-eg9kp]

Ashley Johnson played Ellie in the game and Ellie’s mom in the series and had Ellie’s knife. Marlene is best friends with Ellie’s mom. Giraffe is real. Damn drs and fireflies not telling Ellie she’s not going to survive the procedure. Joel had to lie to Ellie. They went back to Tommy’s town.

[@colonelb]

Marlene wasn't willing to wake Ellie up to give her a choice for the same reason that Joel wasn't willing either; because they were both afraid of what her choice might be, and so it really ends up being a "prisoner's dilemma" problem in addition to the trolley problem. Pretty much EVERYONE would be willing to risk SOMEONE ELSE'S kid to try and make a cure, but at the same time wouldn't be willing to risk THEIR OWN kid. Similarly, I think MOST people would be willing to sacrifice themselves for the chance to save humanity but it would have to be a voluntary choice for folks to be okay with it. It's also ambiguous as to whether or not the cure could even work - they could have killed Ellie and done all the tests and still not be able to synthesize a cure from it, in which case it could have been for nothing. Neil Druckmann (game writer / director) said that when they asked play testers "did Joel make the right choice?" - that if the playtesters DIDN'T have kids, they were split 50/50, but if the playtesters DID have kids, they were 100% in agreement that "yes Joel was right" and I think that illustrates how we change when we have kids.

[@thrummer1953]

Agreed.

[@jackbauer5455]

I would risk my own kid (if I had one)not saying it wouldn’t be difficult to deal with it but if the cure could save millions of lives then its a no brainer hell I would even sacrifice my partner if that was the case and no worry she says she would do the same to me because both of us value all human life then just living by ourselves .

[@colonelb]

@@jackbauer5455 It's not a guarantee that they would have been able to make a cure. Think about COVID and how long a vaccine took and how many people were working on it and sharing information over the internet and using the best equipment and all that, and here's a single doctor using 20 year old technology at that point that who knows how well its' been maintained and with no encyclopedias of human knowledge available and they are going to dissect their ONLY specimen? It'd make much more sense to keep working on ways to test or synthesize a cure without killing the one and only immune host. So the risk was pretty high that it could have been all for nothing and they were jumping the gun out of desperation. But of course most adults would volunteer, so would I, so would my wife, but the point is that Ellie is a child, and she was not given that choice, and you say you'd risk your own kid w/o having one, but you're missing the point that people change when they have a kid, of course you say that NOW, but more than likely you'll swap when/if you have a kid, something changes in you, just ask any parent. Cheers

[@human6990]

@@jackbauer5455 You are not a protector, Joel is.

[@jackbauer5455]

@@human6990 Yes I am but in this case its about giving the world another chance hence its the hardest sacrifice to let go of the one you love the most to save everyone else like I said I would be hard I would be devastated but in my heart I know its the right thing to do Joel was selfish he even said himself he doesn’t care about saving the world in the 1st episode otherwise he would of told Ellie about what he did to the fireflies at the hospital instead he lied to her and will suffer some consequences from this decision.

[@TomTomson81]

This episode began with a lie and ends with a lie. Both were done out of love. One was selfless, the other selfish. Just my opinion and it's a long one. No one has to see it the same way. But I'm on Ellie's side even though I love Joel. However, many see and use Ellie's site only to the extent that it justifies Joel's actions. Maria said to Ellie: "Be careful who you put your faith in. The only people who can betray us are the one we trust." And that's exactly what Joel is doing here. Any parent would at least try the same and so would I (but I wouldn't have lied and I would bear the consequences). But Joel is not Ellie's father. He only considers himself to be so, but this is not based on reciprocity. For Ellie, Joel is her only friend and protector, but at eye level. And neither of them would change that. Ellie wouldn't limit her autonomy and independence and Joel wouldn't expect that from her. And then there would no longer be a relationship on the same level. In this respect, they have never called their relationship as father and daughter. Ellie also doesn't seem to like the fact that Joel constantly compares her to his daughter. This clearly comes through in addition to her depression. In this respect, he never has the right to do what he has done, NOR DOES MARLENE. But both know the answer Ellie would give. Why did Joel lie to Ellie in the end? Because he actually knew better and still acted out of selfishness. Marlene, on the other hand, did not tell Ellie what they would do with her so as not to scare her unnecessarily. Marlene doesn't need Ellie's consent either, she would do it against Ellie's will for the world. Therefore, the argument that many bring that Marlene would be afraid Ellie would say "no" is nonsens. This is not decisive for her. Marlene is simply doing the same thing as the Fedra officer in episode 1 did with the infected boy. She also says this in this sense. We didn't tell her anything, she won't be feel fear. Marlene has another thing in common with Ellie. Ellie had to kill her girlfriend and for her it must all have some value. The same goes for Marlene. She had to kill her best friend and for both applies it must not have been in vain. Both lost their friends to the fungus, both had to end their lives. So yes, Marlene is the only one who understands Ellie very well and she knows what Ellie would have wanted. Joel knows that too. An important difference to the game is the feeling you had when you freed Ellie. In the game, on the way to Ellie, you felt like a hero saving your daughter. Here in the series it becomes clear that Joel is not a hero. Supported by the score. Joel is the one who wipes everyone out and extinguishes the hope of saving humanity. People who all just defended themselves here. Joel has not been attacked. He is the aggressor. I think it's good how this is presented here. How Joel is shown as he was for 20 years. Ruthless, unscrupulous, cold-blooded. And if for 20 years he had the reason to be like this so that his brother and Tess could survive, this is now replaced by selfishness. He has rolled through the hospital like a bulldozer. And that Ellie would have wanted this operation is not a question, after what she experienced and had to do. This was her chosen destiny after losing so many people to the fungus. She made a decision on the day Marlene told her about her imunity. Reinforced by the deaths of Riley and all after her. The first and only decision Ellie could ever make about her life. So far, others have always been determined over her live. Joel took that away from her. And not only that, he took away everything she fought for and what she went through. 3 weeks after Riley's death, which she had to cause, Marlene has given her a meaning that could have saved all humanity. Joel gave her a life with survivor guilt multiplied by all humanity. She has to live with the fact that all the people who died for her and will die in the future, died for nothing. Her mother, Riley, Sam and Henry, and if she finds out the truth one day, she will blame herself for the hospital carnage and Marlene's death. All died for her or because of her and all in vain. The argument Ellie is still a child and cannot make this decision is nonsense. Ellie hasn't been a child in her head for a long time. She lives in a world where you grow up quickly. She killed, saved lives, injured people, was almost r*p*d and chopped up. She has made mature decisions several times. The last of these was to stand against Joel and go on with a very grown-up reason. She is the only one who can and should make this decision about her life. Nobody needs to come with the reason that it was not certain that the operation would succeed and that a cure could be produced. Everyone involved believed in it, including Joel. The motives of the characters counts. People like to invent ways that the show or game didn't bring in to justify Joel's actions. In fact, the only thing Joel said was "find someone else". So if it were up to him, another child could die instead of Ellie. Joel has accepted that Ellie brings the cure to the world as a fact. And even if there were other immunes out there, Joel also killed probably the only brain surgeon with that kind of knowledge who could have done such an operation. That was a decision he was not allowed to make for Ellie. No matter if he feels that way, he is not her father. And because Joel knows all this, he ends up lying to Ellie. And Ellie already knows at the moment that he is lying, when she asks if Marlene is ok and he says nothing. She got the same answer when she asked if Joel had killed innocent people. He lies so that he can continue to be her Daddy without consequences for himself. So he takes another decision away from Ellie. Namely, whether she still wants to continue to be connected to him amicably, trustingly. But what is really bad is that when Ellie wants to say him for the first time how she feels, why she wanted to do this and for whom, he interrupted her, bombards her with platitudes and gives her advices that he himself has not followed. He interrupts her so that he does not have to listen any further, so that he can continue to justify his act for himself. She, on the other hand, can't have all his bullshit since the car anymore and finally interrupts him and makes him swear. Ellie's bullshit detector is unbearable. Nevertheless, she chooses him over his lies. He means the world to her and all she has is him. Her greatest fear of ending up alone certainly plays a role. They love each other and would do anything for each other. Or it is rather dependency. In any case, the long-built trust is now gone. The moment Joel swears is also the moment when Ellie knows she would have died in the hospital. I would like to point out a very interesting conversation that took place in the pilot episode between Tommy, Joel and Sarah. This was about love and dependence. Tommy comes into the kitchen and greets Joel and Sarah with a not so nice word. Sarah to Joel: "Oooh, he loves you" Joel: "He is dependent on me. It's not the same." Sarah: "I think it's the same" I think this conversation is very interesting in connection with the dynamic between Joel and Ellie. To what extent is this love. To what extent is it dependence. To what extent do the two things go together? And are Joel and Ellie even on the same page when it comes to that? Or confuse both love with dependence. I also find the conversation between Joel and Ellie questionable in which he tells her that he wanted to kill himself. The conversation itself was okay, but I don't think it's okay to tell her that she's the reason he sees life positively again. He puts even more pressure on Ellie. He made himself dependent on her existence and let her know that. That's not right. She now constantly has in her head how he will feel when she is away. Well, the authors of the game had not thought of a continuation of the game at that time. That's the advantage of the series. They can prepare much better for the upcoming season and thus make everything that comes in part 2 more comprehensible for everyone. This was an excellent but unfortunately much too short episode. The whole series was just great. I'm looking forward to the second season. Ellie not only has the knife from her mother, but also the jacket she lay in as a baby. The giraffe was real. Her name is Nabo or Nobu. Something like that. Ashley Johnson was Ellie's mother here. Quite poetic when Ellie gives birth to Ellie and both look similar. Laura Bailey the voice actor of Abby from TLOU2 was one of the assistant doctors. I've played both games together 20 times and I love them. I love this series. The best I've seen in a long time. I love Joel and Ellie. I feel the need to play again now with the knowledge of what is now added by the series.

[@Hereticked]

It's nice to see someone who's as passionate about the game's story as you seem to be, but I have a very different perspective. Personally, I care less about Joel and Marlene's motivations than the affects their actions have on the world. I'm a consequentialist like that. To me, the most salient points are: 1) Joel was placed in a no win situation. It was either let Ellie die or destroy the Fireflies to save her. He wasn't about to lose his daughter a second time. This was forced upon him and he acted appropriately. His only real mistake was not telling Ellie the truth as soon as she woke up, but he was too scared of losing her. 2) It was Marlene and the Fireflies who took Ellie's choice away. They didn't give her the opportunity to consent to the procedure. Saying that they knew she would've wanted it is a bullshit cop-out. More to the point, if they had given her the choice, and Ellie had made her desire to sacrifice herself clear, Joel would've had no real option but to concede, because fighting the Fireflies would be pointless at that point. There's no way Ellie would stay with him if she got to make the decision and he acted against her wishes. So the Fireflies getting merced was 100% on Marlene's zealotry and lack of foresight. 3) Your theory about Joel taking away "the hope of humanity" falls apart if you spend more than two minutes thinking about "the cure." The so-called cure would not save humanity. They keep calling it a "cure" but there is no cure, only a potential vaccine and that vaccine would have very limited efficacy at this point in the timeline. The damage of the cordyceps infection is already done. 99% of humanity is gone, civilization is wrecked and the world is full of monsters. A vaccine would do nothing to bring that 99% of humanity back or destroy the monsters. All it would do is make surviving humans immune to future infection, if you could coordinate the resources and infrastructure to get it in every survivor's arm (doubtful.) Even if you could do that, it would make the world maybe 5-10% better. It certainly wouldn't bring back modern civilization. It wouldn't stop clickers from ripping peoples necks out and bloaters from twisting their head 180 degrees. It wouldn't stop the remaining enclaves of humanity from fighting each other for the dwindling, limited resources. And for this poorly thought out, haphazard plan that has little chance of significantly improving the world, Marlene is willing to take away Ellie's agency and kill her. The Fireflies really didn't think this through.

[@TomTomson81]

@@Hereticked Motivation is at the heart of everything in the game as well as in the series and has clearly shown that Joel is all about Ellie and the loss of his daughter. He simply didn't care about the rest. As I said, his answer was "find someone else" and you can't do that. So if you defend Joel's actions over and over again, you have to understand his motivation and not ignore it. And his motives are clear.

[@Hereticked]

@@TomTomson81 Oh, I understand his motivations perfectly. They were definitely selfish, at least in part. But that doesn't change any of the realities I just laid out. They're true regardless of the motivations of the characters. And in that final analysis, recognizing those realities, Joel's actions were very much justified and Marlene's were incredibly stupid. Her good intentions mean nothing when her and the Fireflies faulty analysis never would've led to a better world, when they did horrible things in the pursuit of that false hope and she ends up getting her entire group killed. Joel's selfishness, on the other hand, is redeemed, when it causes him to do something good, like protecting a young girl in the wild for months, or saving his adopted daughter's life from an extremist group with a savior complex. Motivations are secondary. The consequences of one's actions are primary.

[@TomTomson81]

@@Hereticked Well, I would just repeat myself here. Everything I wanted to say is absolutely conclusive in the text above and, in my opinion, unassailably justified. I didn't invent any ways that the show didn't address to justify or condemn Joel's or Marlene's actions. I stuck to what the series actually showed and addressed.

[@Hereticked]

@@TomTomson81 If you don't want to respond to my points, that's fine, but I will take that as a concession that you can't. I don't really see the value in analyzing motivations, but refusing to analyze consequences. Enjoying characters is nice, but plots that make sense are even nicer. I think it reveals a weakness in both the game and the TV series that they setup this "cure" plot device in such a vague way. Most of the audience never thinks to question it, even though its efficacy is the premise upon which the Fireflies entire mission (and the wisdom of Marlene's decisions) is built. It really doesn't make sense. Any implication that Marlene is in the right, or Joel is in the wrong, hinges on the "cure" being able to save humanity. But all evidence that can be gathered from the story indicates that it won't, even if they're able to synthesize it. You can't just wave your hand and say "none of that matters, because I don't like Joel's motivations and I like Marlene's." Or rather, you can, but it's completely irrational.

[@johnohrstrom5112]

Well, with the trolley problem there's certainty. Here, you don't even know if the procedure would work. I'd love to be in the Econ, Ethics or Game Theory Theory class that applies this.