The Last of Us | 1x9: "Look for the Light" REACTION!!

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[@GrandmaNUT]

Nathan, you have to view Joel's actions through the eyes of a father.

[@Lauren-zx3gx]

The Fireflies never gave her a choice, so that energy towards Joel needs to be directed to her, too. There was a better way to handle it on BOTH sides, but the Fireflies were 100% aggressive from the jump for no reason.

[@JustUs]

they're both in the wrong but if I HAD to choose I would choose to be on the side of the ones to save humanity - nathan

[@crisc1049]

​@@JustUsyeah, me too. It would hurt like hell but... We are talking about humanity here.

[@0demia]

@@crisc1049 But as a parent, I don't think that would be what is on your mind.

[@user-dontdothemost]

@@JustUs the thing is tho is that they weren’t even a 100% sure that’s what I was mad about like if ur gonna kill a lil girl to “save humanity” at least be sure that’ll happen

[@Gunnhfran2]

@@JustUs they never 100% said it would work, even Marlene couldn’t say for sure she said it ‘’May” work. So killing her for nothing so joel is right to do it

[@kingwacky184]

Neither Joel or Marlene was right. Marlene never asked Ellie either what Ellie want.

[@enochannor6550]

It quite literally wouldn't of mattered if Ellie wanted this or not, if she truly was the cure, her sacrifice would of been necessary, in hindsight she would've still given up her life for a cure.

[@Dakenae]

But if everyone knows Ellie would have agreed to it, then isn't that just the same? Marlene knew Ellie would have agreed, Ellie already told Joel she was willing to do whatever it took, and Joel even acknowledges he knew what Ellie's choice was. Only Joel was in disagreement about what should be done, so he's The Bad Guy.

[@christinec4919]

Joel was completely right in saving Ellie. I feel he did it because he loves her but that's not why he's right. Ellie (a 14yr old child) was being sacrificed for a lab experiment to possibly make a cure. They did no tests, no bloodwork, no studying - just right off to operate and take out part of her brain. The Fireflies are zealots and don't care about human rights. Think about this - what is the difference from them killing Ellie for the good of the many and last weeks cannibalism and eating people for the good of the many? It gets to be a slippery slope when even one person's life is less valuable than anyone else's. What about all the healthy people the army killed in the beginning because the dead couldn't be infected. Also at 14 Ellie is still a child that has been raised with messed up views from the various people she's known. Her brain functions keep maturing into her 20's and at this age she it's harder to think about the future and consequences. That's why children shouldn't be given adult decisions to make. Sometimes you have to lie to children to keep their world safe. He can tell her the truth later when she's better able to handle it. Would she really need to know right now that Marlene (who she trusted) took her and was going to kill her and experiment with her for possibly no reason? No. I'm looking forward to next season!

[@destiny8128]

exactly and as a parent sometimes u gotta chose what’s best for ur kid because she has a 14 yr mindset and she could of possibly chose to saved the world and these people dont fully know if sacrificing her for the world would actually work they are just assuming it might! now that’s selfish asf! people saying joel is in the wrong shouldn’t be parents lmao because he probably would of told her the truth when she was old enough to hear it and understand where he coming from! they world isnt joels responsibility ! and they probably would of killed her for a “cure “ that wouldn’t have worked! so they put this child though hell!

[@a.r.5100]

1st off they did do test. Marlene explained that that's how they knew they needed to cut out part of her brain, 2nd most people know that the cannibalism thing wasn't the problem considering as how it's implied that they eat already dead people, but did you forget the child molester guy? That's what people hate Edit: Also you call firefly zealots. Radicals I'd accurate, zealot is not. My guy these people have legit fought for this cure. Did you also forget that these guys set up outpost specifically to receive Ellie?

[@christinec4919]

@@a.r.5100 So you think it was OK to kill Ellie? I get some of your points but you didn't specify.

[@a.r.5100]

@Christine C To stop the apocalypse yes

[@destiny8128]

@@a.r.5100 joel not sacrificing a child to save the world fuck out of here😂the human population already gone anyways

[@berb-182]

Joe holding Ellie in the exact same position he held Sarah when she was shot but deciding he wanted a different result from Sarah’s. It’s selfish and wrong for taking Ellie’s autonomy (so did Marlene) but understand why he did it. Love the commentary and question/argument this ending brings up..even a decade later. Soo good!

[@manuelagaviria5542]

They were both in the wrong but you can understand why Joel did it. It would be like losing his daughter again and in that moment he is not thinking about the whole world he's just thinking about saving Ellie. The Fireflies don't even know if her blood is the cure so they're potentially killing her for no reason. They were aggressive and didn't even give Ellie a choice, like yeah she said she wanted to go through with it but she had no idea she would die. Even if she would have agreed to go through with it, it was about giving her a choice. Joel shooting them was valid because he was trying to get to his daughter but he should not have lied to Ellie about it. I know that deep down Ellie knows that he is lying but says "okay" because she's too scared to lose him or be on her own. Can't wait for season 2 to see how it all plays out!

[@haydendietzman28]

We cannot view Ellie's death as "saving the world". Her death only grants the fireflies a small chance to same themselves, and let everyone who hasn't joined their cause die. They clearly will not distribute the cure to everyone, and not giving Ellie a choice in the matter makes it clear that this version of humanity is not worth sacrificing an innocent life for.

[@motiondesire8786]

Who says it’s a small chance or that it only grants the fire flies the advantage. It’s giving humanity a chance. The fire flies will grow and have babies whom are immune then eventually it’s just natural immunity the first decade of the vaccine will be hard yes but eventually it will be humans against monsters instead of all these factions of people whom are scared of infection

[@jsauceda9340]

What Joel did was wrong, but I cant say i would've done any different if i was in his position. Troy Baker, who plays Joel in the games, had said "Everyone always asks me why Joel didnt save the world and I always say the same thing. He did. Ellie is his entire world and nothing else mattered to him"

[@motiondesire8786]

But this is the apocalypse there are so many ways you can die. Raped. Tortured. Who on earth would want to live there? If someone said would you die to end the apocalypse you’d say yes

[@apinchofdisappointment]

That is so cute :((

[@Heroesfullyalive]

I'm on Joel's side. They never gave Ellie a choice, and they were going straight to murdering the immune girl on a maybe. Not even trying other tests first to see if they could create a cure without KILLING THE GOLDEN GOOSE.

[@kjiggidy5719]

Exactly

[@superronjon]

They are wrong for not giving her a choice so the fireflies are totally in the wrong but the problem on Joel's side is that he didn't give her a choice either by lying to her after taking them all out, and the most important factor is that Ellie would have wanted to do it, even if it was a maybe, and he knows that. He did it for him not for her. He betrayed her trust and now she knows it. Like Maria told her "The only one's that can betray us are the ones we trust" and now he has forever damaged his relationship with her.

[@scarletnach2952]

​@@superronjon Exactly, no one took in account what Ellie wanted which could have been resolved if they all talked about this.

[@motiondesire8786]

They’re doctors they weren’t mindlessly doing the procedure they knew what they were doing they know the value of Ellie this was the only way

[@Dakenae]

It's kinda like rabies. You can't confirm if something had rabies until you do an autopsy because you need brain matter to test it. They couldn't even get started without having her brain.

[@justjosh247.]

Idk if y’all caught it but the cure wasn’t 100 percent guaranteed to work so they could have killed Ellie for no reason I couldn’t risk my daughter even if it was 100 percent going to work so there’s no way I would if it might not work. Looking back this episode is a direct parallel with Henry and Sam.

[@christinamarriner4774]

The only way to look at this is that Joel loves her like his child. You have to look at this from a parents perspective. I'm not sacrificing my child to save anyone. A parent can't look at this objectively. Your child is your world. Him letting her be murdered would take away from the bond and how much he loves her. No dad is sacrificing their daughter.

[@lalaland12]

He was selfish, yes, but any father would do that for his daughter

[@motiondesire8786]

Would your dad let you live in a broken world ? I mean ask your dad about it but my dad would of ended my life and his so we don’t suffer in this apocalypse world. This world is broken you won’t find happiness even if you do you eventually lose it in a sad way so your dad should of spared you

[@lalaland12]

@@motiondesire8786 my father wants me alive and would choose me over the world every single time 😅

[@motiondesire8786]

@@lalaland12 but… what world??? We’re talking about a world where every door you open is a jump scare zombies. Where rape and torture and cannibalism is a thing. Where people steal. Where you can never really trust other humans. That’s not a world is my whole point.

[@musicbox6144]

@@lalaland12 what he did was right but logically speaking was wrong . We’re only siding with Joel because we’ve seen both Ella and his story . Now if we were people who don’t know both of them and we finally had a lead to save humanity would you have the same mindset ? If you say yes then you’re lying through your teeth

[@lalaland12]

@@musicbox6144 I mean I still wouldn't murder a kid...but that's just me I guess lmao

[@jonathanpowell7256]

Marlene says to Joel that they never told Ellie anything, they just knocked her out. All season Ellie believed that they just wanted her blood.

[@ATLASPASTEL]

This is like the one time i disagree with Nathan lol. In Joel's perspective and in anyone's perspective if something you care about has to die in order for other people to be saved you're usually not just gonna let that happen. Even if it could save tons of people that person is probably the world to you and you're not just gonna go "oh well"

[@JustUs]

it was more of him not giving her a choice

[@ATLASPASTEL]

@@JustUs Yeah I get that. He was being pretty selfish (though I get why) and I hate specifically that he lied to Ellie about it. I wish he thought it through a little more lol

[@Blag_Cog]

Joel simply CANNOT lose another daughter. Every fiber of his being was doing whatever it takes for him not to feel that loss again. That means he won't allow Ellie to sacrifice herself. He will FORCE her to live. Marlene is a great leader. Able to make the decisions necessary for the greater good. Neither Marlene nor Joel were willing to give Ellie a choice. You could say Ellie is willing to sacrifice herself but I think if she was given the choice and Joel had a chance to plead for her to live life, he could potentially have convinced her to live just a few more years before ending it.

[@mizixy9624]

If you guys are interested in reacting to another zombie show, I hope you look into All Of Us Are Dead. I think you’d really like it.

[@katieb.024]

YES. PLEASE DO!!! I’d love to see them watch that. It’s a comfort show weirdly 😅

[@mizixy9624]

@@katieb.024 Don’t feel weird. My youngest’s comfort movie was Black Phone and my comfort show is Bob’s Burgers.

[@katieb.024]

@@mizixy9624 my other one is greys anatomy lol. But thank you for being kind🫶🏼

[@michellecassata8391]

for some weird reason i think that the scene with marlene and ellies mom was how riley and ellies story ended ellie as marlene and riley as ellies mom

[@iamart8751]

From the outside looking in, it's much easier to make an educated guess. But Joel didn't have enough time to process what was happening. He has lost too many people and he could only decide in a very short amount of time based on these experiences. It's niether right nor wrong. It's human.

[@mukharomsolo-fk8kz]

They not gonna give ellie choice because marlene afraid if ellie gonna say no, and joel afraid ellie gonna say yes

[@petitemafia]

You guys absolutely have to react to Hannibal its a masterpiece of psychlogical horror, crime, and queer love

[@thomasbaker2067]

This was a good show to watch on Sundays, I can`t wait to watch season 2 next year.

[@carriesmith742]

You can tell Nathan isn't close to being a dad or protector. BS Nathan! Ellie saved Joel's life just like he saved hers- Ever hear of "shared trama"? Combine that with a man who found himself again after losing a child because of another. She wasn't some random person he knew for a month. They traveled across a post-apocalyptic countryside together, mostly on foot while having to pause for an extended period for Joel to heal after being impaled so to be that blasé and say, "Oh well, life sucks?" Gice me a break. My mom lost a son and I saw the dark place she went to. She even thought about fostering because I was in college and she needed something to fill the void. Yes, Joel made a selfish decision, but so did Marlene by not even telling Ellie what they were going to nor give her and Joel a chance to at least say good-bye. The Fireflies had no proof their theory would work. They never had an immune person before so what if they took her brain and killed her and it still didn't work? Oh, that's right it goes back to "Oh well, the world sucks!" Give me a break. I gave Davion shit during the last reaction for the whole "fact v. Logic" conversation so I just don't aim my comments at anyone in particular, but Nathan, this one's for you. Can't wait for your next Umbrella Academy reaction. It's getting GOOD!

[@angelajaime5155]

The thing is, Joel is indeed selfish, if I live in that world, I'll be angry, like "I don't give a damn if you love her, I want to live too!". But if I was in Joel position, I would have done the exact same thing. Non of the Fireflies were bad people, they were objectively right.....but that's my baby. I could live with the fact that I'm a bad person, but I wouldn't be able to live without her.

[@soemmasays]

The Fireflies absolutely were bad people. They were killing a child without her consent without even knowing if it would work and hadn't even tried anything else with her considering she'd only been there a few hours probably. They also didn't give her a chance to say goodbye to the man she'd spent 6+ months with at that point. They also threatened to kill Joel if he tried to stop them from killing Ellie and beat him multiple times (knocking him out, hitting him in the hospital). They may have had good intentions, but they were still absolutely bad people.

[@angelajaime5155]

@@soemmasays Maybe, but their ruthlessness and commitment is to be admired.

[@matthewbee128]

An amazing reaction to an equally amazing finale!

[@eliorklein3131]

I do think Joel was selfish but why parent wouldn't do anything to save their kid yk? I also don't think a cure would've been distributed fairly by the fireflies either

[@Rangersdude27]

I think Joel 100% made the right decision of saving Ellie from certain death. It may have been selfish but the love and affection he felt for Sarah at the start of the game was obviously huge as it was his daughter. Then the next 20 years he felt he was living an empty life until Ellie came. As time went along he started feeling that same love and affection he had with Sarah with Ellie. The claims he should have stayed until Ellie woke up is just so unrealistic. Marlene would have done everything to get Ellie back so him killing her was definitely something he needed to do. But this is why this game was so great and now the TV show as well. I have never seen a game stir up such a fight about if a character was right or wrong ever. This game had a great commentary of what happens when someone loses touch with love in their life and how if that feeling ever comes back what they will do to keep it as much as possible.

[@superronjon]

He absolutely did not need to. Marlene could have killed him multiple times if she wanted to. She had the jump on him. She surrendered her gun to him when she didn't need to. She didn't because she wants to work with him to do the right thing. She gives him a second chance and he chooses the selfish option, he completely had the opportunity to give her a choice if he wanted to. But he knows what she would choose so he can't give her the choice, so he kills Marlene so that she can't choose to do it, and then he lies to her because he knows she would hate him for taking that away from her. That's the whole reason that garage scene exists. To show us that Joel is truly choosing the selfish option that he knows is against what Ellie would want, but that is the only decision he can make because he can't live without her, and we also understand that completely.

[@drezzoisdead]

I can’t wait for season 2, honestly the second game is my favorite in the series and they did so much foreshadowing in the show

[@elizanur]

21:25 me who killed the nurses in the game 👁️👄👁️

[@carlacrain3067]

I’m so stuck in the middle on how to feel about this outcome! I did feel that he killed all the people in the hospital because they all knew about Ellie being immune & couldn’t take the chance of them coming after her or telling everyone they met about her. But, that doesn’t fly because he didn’t kill the 2 nurses. Grrr…I have to think harder about this!!

[@Sephiroth766]

I think Ellie knows Joel is lying or highly suspects he is lying. She just chose to believe him because it's a safety blanket for her.

[@caracaitlyn1243]

heres why i side with joel in this situation and hear me out: yes, ellie wanted to play her part to save humanity and it was wrong of joel to take that from her, but at the same time, you have to consider that they weren't sure if it would even work. so they ran the risk of killing a 14 year old girl for no reason and even if it DID work, how do you think the fireflys would be able to actually mass produce and distribute this "cure?" they didn't have the supplies or manpower for that to work in a broken society thats full of various groups with their own agendas. they had what, a few doctors with who knows how much experience who have tried and failed countless times before. this is fungal infection that likely doesnt have a possibility of being turned into a vaccine, as was mentioned by that scientist in the very beginning of the show. I don't think they could have realistically saved humanity in a post apocalyptic world with no stable government or cohesive society. joel saved her from dying for a lost cause

[@a.r.5100]

Straight up. Great people would sacrifice for the greater good If it is required. Less than good people wouldn't. Recognize!

[@lazytoyota1lazytoyota188]

you should start doing reactions on the show ''You'' I think you guys would like it and It's pretty tense.

[@JustUs]

we've actually started You on our Patreon and will start being released on KZbin once Umbrella Academy is done!

[@marlonzogriffin6983]

@@JustUs when are y’all going to react to wolf pack

[@gregwillett2710]

15:38 - Marleen is so full of it. It's Ellies body Ellies choice. Bodily Autonomy bizznatch! The moment Marleen removed Ellies choice she doomed humanity and the cure herself. It's her fault. If she really was that confident Ellie would sacrifice herself and say yes to it - then there should have been no problem letting Ellie make the choice - RIGHT MARLEEN???

[@dylanoaddicted]

havent played the games but according to the show, i think joel is one of the best grey-area characters. he saved his daughter at the expense of the wordld, and you can't help to feel for him. not excited for ellie's inevitable realization that joel lied, but as an outsider i understand why joel did what he did. also, ellie never got the chance to give consent, so the fireflies are just as heartless. she was nearly SA'd, and now doctors were going to, without permission, enter her most vital organ and kill her--i think they deserve what they got. but for the sake of saving humanity, im sad to see them go.

[@Misty_Dawn]

I’m not “team Joel”, I’m not “team Marlene”, I’m “team Ellie”.. both Joel and Marlene were in the wrong here.. Marlene said she didn’t tell Ellie that the surgery would kill her, and Joel lied to her and took away a huge opportunity for her to possibly save the world.. the choice should’ve been up to Ellie.. period..

[@nikkif3255]

joel defender 4 life idc. as if he was gonna let his daughter die AGAIN?? he was capable of stopping that from happening this time, so he took the opportunity as ellie had become his entire world. i wish he didn't have to lie to ellie but i can definitely understand why he did.

[@katieb.024]

I’m gonna copy & paste a comment of mine from seantanktop’s video. Sorry. I’ll say, I’m 100% with Joel. Even if I didn’t love him and ellie as much as I do, I’d still be with him. This is what he thinks about everyday, but with Sarah. He wishes he had the ability to do this for her. Now he has the ability, and refuses to not use it this time. He lost one daughter, he can’t go through losing another. Especially not after the scar story. My other main point is, the whole cure deal was only chance. There was NO guarantee it would work. They were going to remove her brain on a MAYBE. that’s killing your only chance for a cure on a theory. Like. Tf? She’s the only immune. Joel taking them out provided time, time for a new cure theory with a higher success chance, and just maybe, a way without killing Ellie. Now, was Joel right in lying to Ellie? No. But he knew if he told the truth, he could lose Ellie in a way that’s sometimes worse than death. Especially since he killed Marlene too, who Ellie specifically asked about because she cares for her. All Joel wants is his quiet life with Ellie. Tommy is a bonus. Sorry for the long comment. I love y’all, and loved watching this series of reactions!!❤️❤️

[@katieb.024]

But. Yes. Ellie should choose. But this way they can find a different way. They had already knocked her out. What was he to do?

[@superronjon]

@@katieb.024 Marlene gave him a second chance in the garage. This is where he went from justified to selfish. Everything up until here was justified by the actions of the fireflies. This was not. Marlene tells him "What would she choose? It's not too late, we can still find a way." If he had taken her up on this second chance, Ellie would be awake soon and he can ensure that she has a choice in the matter. He can't do that though, because he isn't trying to give her a choice, he is saving her for himself. Marlene was right, he knows what she would choose and he can't let that happen. So instead of giving her the choice he kills Marlene, and he lies about it because he knows that she would not have wanted him to take her out of there, even if it meant death for a chance at the cure.

[@therealandrea492]

I thought y’all said y’all were gonna do Alice in borderland after Wednesday what happened?

[@JustUs]

just gotta find the time but that is our next show that wont be on our main schedule

[@therealandrea492]

@@JustUs oh ok can’t wait for you guys to react to it!

[@marcenunez8530]

you have to watch "Let the Right one in"

[@natetorres3222]

It’s one thing to say you can make the cure, but their was never any evidence for the cure so it wasn’t 100%. That doctor had blind hope for it and it would have killed Ellie so Joel had to do what he thought was right for Ellie she deserved a life with love and people not leaving her so he was selfish yes but so was Marlene and that doctor for just using Ellie’s immunity and running with it. The cure wouldn’t have worked and it wouldn’t have been distributed correctly and a lot of people would die trying to get it around.

[@itsleina5102]

100%, like who is gonna manufacture a cure 20+yrs post apocalypse? 😅

[@amandagoodtime7751]

Definitely looking at it in the perspective of a parent loving a child I ain’t letting my child die so you can save ppl I don’t know plus it might not even work nope you ain’t doing it both are wrong but he had good reason for it

[@bmgdann5156]

That "not giving her a choice" bs is out the window bc they didn't give her a choice either 💯 even if said agreed im pretty sure she would've want to see joel again and then how can he give her a choice when he couldn't see or talk to her

[@DarthCaesar96]

Joel=🐐

[@Josh_JKL]

Joel was wrong and selfish for not giving Ellie the choice, but so was Marlene and the Fireflies! They were willing to kill a 14yr old girl for a POSSIBLE cure, there were no guarantees that it would have worked and then Marlene's best friends child is dead for what? The point of the game (and now show) ending this way was to show you that nobody in that post apocalyptic world is 'good' everyone that survives has done something dark to stay alive and makes questionable decisions

[@Josh_JKL]

Also, of everyone they met along the way, who would this 'cure' be saving? People like David? or Kathleen? Then no, fuck humanity

[@noneyahbusyniss8206]

comment 4, personal best

[@marlonzogriffin6983]

Please react to wolf pack

[@KHWendy28]

You know I have never seen ANYONE react to that show or care about it. We have better shows out there have they reacted too the mandolan yet?

[@joshz2491]

Inserting hypotheticals into the ending defeats the point of the ending, there is no “if she had a choice” because she didn't. Joel's story shows that being ready to die doesn't mean you can go through with it. Ellie does not know that doing this will get her killed, not only that, but she does not know that there is no guarantee it will result in a cure. Joel does know this and he is not going to accept losing this girl who makes his life worth living on a maybe, especially when humanity has largely devolved back to its animalistic, uncivilized beginning. I go back and forth on wether Ellie would truly be willing to die, but I do know that I wouldn't want her to make that choice because she feels guilty that she is immune and others aren't. I would want her making the decision as objectively as possible and I don't think a few months removed from her trauma with David was a good headspace to make that decision.

[@KHWendy28]

This is one hell of a show awesome acting but that being said OMG how many zombie shows have we seen? And there all the same to be now but this show was good a Joel we know he didn't do the right thing but he was not going too lose this girl but season 2 there's going too be some problems with his lie.

[@destiny8128]

imagine saving the world and both ur kids are gone only to save everyone else! she 14 he did what a parent would do and is protect his child ! and ellie is a minor she is gonna possibly wanna save the world and as a parent who wants the best life for his daughter is too not see her get sacrificed just to save a world that’s already dead most of the human race is gone so what’s the point in killing her? to get a vaccine? lmaooo sometimes as a parent u gotta make the best choice for ur child because thet might not be mature enough to think about they leaving behind someone who lost alot of people and will be tramatized again for losing another kid! he shouldn’t have lied tho the fireflies are dead so he should of just told her the truth even if she can’t handle it

[@sadiesimp2215]

I'm always gonna be team Joel in this. They treated Ellie and Joel like shit. They had that coming, not only do I not believe in a cure but I doubt the Fireflies would even be able to save humanity. Look where it has come. They would either keep it to themselves or get raided and the cure would be distributed selfishly elsewhere. It would be for nothing, and that's not even guaranteeing it works. But they should have at least woken up Ellie. Ellie deserves to know what is about to happen. If she is about to save the world, shouldn't they let her die peacefully knowing she is going to save the world? Her last moments were in panic, looking for Joel when they got attacked. The Fireflies are always going to be the selfish ones in my eyes. But what is selfishness in a post-apocalyptic world? Everyone is selfish that is how you survive. Joel is selfish, Marlene is selfish. Marlene's cause was to save the world (which is far-fetched) and Joel's cause was Ellie, his world. They both fought and Joel won.

[@Thecobrakaifamily]

Can you guys react to the walking dead

[@matthewbee128]

I hated Joel so much at the end! I mean even ignoring that he loves Ellie like a daughter, he didn’t give her a choice in the matter, and essentially stole the cure that could’ve saved all of humanity. I don’t really see the fireflies as bad people, just people who were thinking about the many lives and not just the one. Don’t get me wrong, I hate HOW they handled the situation, but I understand the WHY

[@Lauren-zx3gx]

Marlene didn’t give her an option either AND there’s no guarantee the “cure” would work. Didn’t even run tests before hand and if she dies and the cure doesn’t work, guess what? They can’t try again. She’s dead and her death would have been in vain.

[@vvthetalentlessduo6976]

I swear even before I watched this I know they’re gonna be hating on Joel , I’ve seen a lot of their reactions from other shows and they’re easily the most stupid reactors I’ve ever come across.

[@naomialiche]

First!

[@onlineuser252]

ellie is 14 years old, if i was her parent i wouldn't care about her choice on deciding to end her life either. we all know she would've said yes because she feels like she owes it to the world but i'm not letting any person i care so deeply about die just so others can live especially with how many times it was mentioned that people are the real danger in this world. and it's selfish and joel did a horrible thing but the fireflies are bad people as well and i feel like a lot of people forget that because they're trying to make a cure so immediately they're labeled as "good", literal terrorist group that was bombing people for their "cause" in the 1st ep so who's to say they wouldn't be using the vaccine as a tool to gain political power? it's naive to think they'd just be giving it to people without wanting nothing in return or wouldn't gatekeep the vaccine for their factions only. so in the end, it all comes down to picking which evil you'd go with; shooting up a hospital so your daughter can live or killing your only immune patient based on a theory but it's a chance you're willing to take because you're desperate for a cure.

[@diontyler00]

She’s a 14 year old girl. Call me selfish, but idc what she says, if I see her as my daughter I’m not giving her a choice either. Plus bro, think about what he’s already been through. It’s clear that he has some type of psychological trauma from losing his Sarah. So losing Ellie too? Out of the question. At the end of the day dawg, from his perspective the world done already took too much from him. Or, in an effort to give him a less selfish look, he already gave too much. Me personally, I’m doing the same thing as my boy Joel.

[@lottiekinsxo214]

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[@Dakenae]

Nathan is right. Joel was selfish, he didn't care the rest of humanity or about how Ellie felt and only how he felt. Miss me with the "that was like his daughter" cause Ellie made it clear that she's her own person and she was clear that they saw the cure through until the end. And you can make it a story just about Joel's fatherhood arc but that really does ignore how dirty Ellie was done by him.