The Last of Us 1x9 SEASON FINALE | Non-Gamer Reaction | First Time Watching

[@piou203]

"A father's love for his child knows no law, no mercy, no limits. It could mercilessly annihilate anything that stands in its way."

[@manbearpig7359]

Well it should have limits. Being able to reason and show self control is what separates adults from babies

[@dizzisliving2355]

​@@manbearpig7359 It should but deep down we are animals and we'll do anything to protect our kids even if it isn't the 'right thing'

[@peterbabicki8252]

@@dizzisliving2355 The issue is he deceived her, and didn't give her a choice. It was incredibly possessive. Marlene and Joel were both being selfish. They should have treated Ellie with respect, and let her make the choice, but Marlene wouldn't have taken no for an answer, and Joel wouldn't have taken yes for an answer.

[@jyothijose7840]

@@manbearpig7359 he actually let one go One person was running and he didn't shoot( There's romour that's abby was running hair and body looks same) But he killed the guy who down weapon Becuase there is a chance he can attack Running one can't

[@manbearpig7359]

@@peterbabicki8252 Nailed it mate.

[@Addam_]

What're you going to do Joel, kill everybody? "Yes."

[@TheBrandonMinich]

The reason Marlene or joel don’t give Ellie a choice is because Marlene won’t accept no for an answer and joel won’t accep yes for an answer

[@DavidHunter]

A good point. If Ellie changed her mind I can’t see Marlene just letting her go, it would destroy her group and their purpose instantly if she had.

[@VeraxMusic]

Exactly. It's frustrating that people lack the insight to be able to see both sides. Let me preface this by saying I also would've massacred that entire place, including Marlene. But I'm also objective enough see the other side. When something like the whole f'n _WORLD_ rides on the decision of one person, well guess what, you don't give that person a choice. I don't see how this is hard to understand and why people watching stupidly ask the tv - "why didn't give her a choice." Because - see my previous answer. But again, I also would say F the world. See, unbiased, I can see both sides, while still feeling completely steadfast in my [wrong] decision.

[@wulfgraad3857]

​@@VeraxMusic couldnt agree more

[@Pandaemoni]

That's true. But on another level the real reason is that writers realized that if Ellie chose it would hurt the ending of the game. The point of the ending is for the audience to struggle with the philosophical questions of both whether (and when) you should sacrifice one life to save many more and when or if consent is needed in circumstances like these. The intellectual and emotional work is coming to your own conclusions. If Ellie stated her choice explicitly, many gamers would have said "Oh, let's do that then!" and not done the hard work of thinking through the issues themselves. Even on consent, which seems like a no-brainer (of course they should consult with her!)...first, there is the fact that she's a traumatized child who thinks she needs to make the deaths of Riley, Tess and Sam "mean something". And she hasn't really experienced much of life. Is she really able to give informed consent? There is a reason why parents make those choices for minors. Just as interesting, though...we don't always require consent irl. Take, for example, Mary Mallon (aka Typhoid Mary) was permanently infected with the bacteria that causes typhoid fever. It didn't harm her, she was healthy and never got sick, but it never went away and she was contagious. Three people died because they caught it from her and 51 were infected. So they quarantined her for a total of *_26 years._* She died a prisoner. And they conducted medical experiments on her to better understand why the bacteria wasn't harming her. All this was done without consent and very much against her will. Medical experimentation conducted against her will, and the NY Supreme Court denied she had a claim because quarantine was for the greater good. And in the show, they discussed bombing Jakarta and Boston (and other places). At the time, I thought bombing Jakarta (a city of about 10 milion people) was shocking...but understandable. Tess seemed fine with them bombing Boston, saying they "had to try something." But how many "Ellies" died? Obviously, they were not getting consent from the people being bombed. It can't be, logically, that if you kill one child to cure the infection, then you need consent, but if you bomb a million kids to slow the spread of the infection no consent is required. Emotionally, it *is* that way, of course; "one kid" has a face and is named "Ellie," but a million kids is just a statistic.

[@viltar5514]

​@@VeraxMusic agreed. A Man could never let his daughter die just like that, specially for joel because has gone through that once. And now he has a choice and he can prevent that, so he did. Joel may not bw the greatest sage or human, but he is what a true father is. Call it selfishness for affection or whatever but guess what? That's the world that we live in. We take, and we feed someone that we cared for.

[@GinoGonzalez12]

He wasn’t comparing Sarah and Ellie. You have to remember he hasn’t talked about Sarah in 20 years. After the leaving the hospital he has Sarah on his mind cuz he couldn’t save her. I think that’s why he would apologize if it came off that way to Ellie.

[@VeraxMusic]

I couldn't finish watching this video - but are you saying Pilar actually thought Joel was _comparing_ them?? Wow, that's a really odd perspective by her if what you're saying is true.

[@204154529]

@@VeraxMusic Sometimes I want to give her the benefit of the doubt by saying it could be a language thing, but her perspective is coming from a completely different place than what most people interprit. So odd.

[@vault29a]

so fuck him, right?

[@Pandaemoni]

I think it's fair to internpret it that way. I didn't, but it's not _clearly wrong_ or anything. He is clearly connecting the two girls in his mind. He's having fantasies about how they'd be friends-perhaps how they'd be like loving sisters to one another-and that really could be a sign of something unhealthy, projection of his love for Sarah onto Ellie. He referred to Ellie as "baby girl" the exact same term of endearment he used for Sarah. He carried Ellie in his arms in the same manner as he did Sarah. And this time he *_saved_* Sara...er...I mean "Ellie." A lot of it comes down to the writers inserting obvious parallels between Ellie and Sarah. It may not be that they indended that to reflect Joel "projecting" onto Ellie, but it definitely *_could_* be that. We've seen Joel struggling with something akin to PTSD over Sarah's death (most obviously in Episode 1 when he beat the FEDRA soldier to with his bare fist...to protect Ellie), so we know he has issues.

[@orchoose]

she said '' thats wrong '' and thats the main takeaway from that scene. Joel is rushing things up acting like nothing had happend.

[@naiet9277]

Fun fact: Ashley Johnson,the actress playing Ellie’s mother Anna,was the voice of Ellie on the game. I think is pretty cool they used her for this role!

[@amoxicilina1g138]

Es la actriz que da vida a ellie en el videojuego, no le da solo la voz, los movimientos tambien fueron capturados directamente de los actores

[@Dularr]

Also the actress who played Abby played one of the nurses.

[@Jimmm11]

@@Dularr and Craig Mazin the producer of this series, played the soldier who killed Sarah, Joel's daughter.

[@davidcortes3399]

Más detalles, Ashley es literalmente "la madre" de Ellie, su forma de actuar, los gestos y la voz fueron cambiando la visión que tenían los directores del juego sobre el personaje. Ellie tiene ese carácter tan fuerte, es tan guerrera y mal hablada gracias a Ashley, sino hubiera sido una niña más débil y frágil

[@araisikewai]

@@Dularr Spoiler alert...

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

As you were asking all these rethoric questions as Joel's carnage went on, all I could do was sit here and answer each and everyone with: "Yes." "Are you gonna shoot Marlene?" Yes. "Are you gonna kill everybody?" Yes. "Are you gonna kill the doctor as well?" Yes. "This is insane!" Yes. And if you think that is a weird way to end the episode, I'm sure you have read by now in other comments that this is EXACTLY how the game ends.

[@Fangtorn]

And back in the day it ended this way without us knowing there was going to be a Part 2 or Season 2, which makes it hit different too.

[@VeraxMusic]

I gotta admit, her response to this was unexpected and frustrated me. And I fully realize i"m not being very objective here.

[@204154529]

@@VeraxMusic She doesn't empathise with Joel and is 100% taking in what the Fireflies motivate. They themselves didnt know if it will even work. Why start at the brain when at least bloodwork could be a start.

[@владимирмазепа-у3н]

@@204154529 And who said that this is their first victim of experiments?

[@nintandao64]

You should definitely play them! This show was made in such a masterful way that you can experience this world in either order and appreciate the differences without feeling like you messed up by doing it in the 'right order' It'll feel a LOT more natural if you play the first game and immediately jump into the second game, I feel like for a lot of people something felt off since there was a ~7 year gap between the release of the first and second game

[@victorewah2659]

Joel made one thing clear this episode and that is he refuses to allow his heart to be crushed and torn from his chest ever again. For 20 years all Joel has ever done is just exist and once he met Ellie he began to actually live again because he regained something he lost so long ago, and I don't imagine he intends on ever letting it go.

[@peg202xo7]

The look he gave Ellie as she fed the giraffe was the look of a man experiencing happiness for the first time in 20 years. Pedro, you're breaking my heart in this role!

[@victorewah2659]

@@peg202xo7 "It wasn't time that did it" this line delivered from Pedro told the audience everything they needed to know from the inflection in his voice down to the look in his eyes while glancing at Ellie. 😭

[@DougHanson2769]

Sad.

[@frederickeusebio5153]

I don't think Marlene would send any bullets toward Joel while he's holding Ellie. The cure means more than her own life.

[@clarkmichaels822]

That's a cool detail in the first episode when Joel and Tess first meet Ellie. Joel aims his gun at Ellie, and Marlene and the other Firefly immediately aim their guns at him. He aims his gun at them and they lower their guns.

[@SofaKingWashed]

The Fireflies weren't gonna give Ellie a choice because they didn't wanna risk a "no", and Joel didn't wanna give her a choice because he didn't wanna risk a "yes". And in Joel's mind, after Ellie had fought so hard to save his life, there was no way, regardless of the consequences, that he wasn't gonna fight to save hers. So hyped you're gonna play the game! Explore every corner of the world in it, there's a ton of stories of the world before and after cordyceps to find. Thanks for the reactions!

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

14:05, fun fact! the track that begins playing at around this scene is the same one that played when Joel's daughter died imo, i think Ellie knows deep down that hes not telling her the truth, but after everything she's gone through, and all of it coming to nothing now that there's still no cure, the idea that literally the only person she has left is lying to her is just too much to even think about. so when he swears that he told the truth, she basically forces herself to believe him. i also think you kind of missed the point of the scene of Joel talking about Sarah. he's not comparing her and Ellie, he's opening up and talking about her for the first time in 20 years. he's finally able to think about her and talk about her without the pain of her loss overwhelming him. the "comparisons" are just him being worried that he's making Ellie insecure and clumsily trying to backtrack.

[@brenthenderson815]

Gustavo Santaolalla deserves every ounce of recognition he can get for this ost.

[@BeardiusMaximus]

This was a great show and it was wonderful watching your reaction to it. It's so fun hearing you speculate and work things out before they happen. Hope there's a season 2. Catch you for your next reaction

[@rx7dude2006]

Remember Ellie said She would follow Joel wherever so she had no idea her life would be taken.

[@VeraxMusic]

Oh great catch. I've seen some people give the stupid theory saying Ellie had some idea she would die, but your comment here debunks and obliterates that stupid theory. If you think about it from her perspective, there's _nothing_ that would make you think that. You'd assume your blood would be drawn, nothing more. Only we know in hindsight that surgery was required, she would've had no reason to think that, and even supposing she did, she'd have NO REASON to think she'd _die_ from said surgery.

[@Readwandx]

I hate that guy who didn’t cover baby ellie’s ears

[@WillMercep]

Loved the editing. I'm gonna go back and watch more vids.

[@potatoesobrienn]

I couldn’t stop laughing during your reaction cause it’s how I felt during it when playing the game. It’s a gnarly ending. Makes for good conversation. Can’t wait to see what you think for part 2 🤣

[@negooouk]

he may not be a good man but hes a good father

[@Keeshya6]

I don't know if I agree with the idea that he's a bad father for lying. Parents lie to protect their children's feelings all the time. I mean, in western cultures parents let their kids go on believing in Santa Clause for years and years, when knowing the truth about that wouldn't actually hurt them. In this messed up situation, Joel is lying as another form of protection, to keep Ellie from feeling the weight of what happened. He knows he made the choice and he's bearing the entirety of it to spare her already traumatized mind. Full disclosure with this opinion: I'm on team Joel. I don't think there were any good guys in this situation and I'd make the same choice he did. Mostly because Marlene had already admitted to lying to Ellie and leading her on, not giving her a choice or giving her and Joel a chance to say goodbye. She's also been leading a group that's been known to bomb civilians as well as Fedra, which makes me question her morals anyway. Plus, she kept saying the doctor "thinks" it grew with Ellie, "thinks" it could be a cure, and still wanted to perform a surgery that would kill the only known immune person without even trying other non-lethal tests. They weren't sure of anything AND they took away her choice first, before Joel ever did. I think that's why he felt he had no choice but to plow through them all. If Marlene had handled it differently, giving Ellie the chance to make the choice and tell that to Joel, then I'd be on team Marlene if Joel still went on that rampage. Okay... I'm done now. Lol

[@mconnaghan]

I'm glad you decided to play not only the first game, but the second as well. I think the odds of avoiding major spoilers before the next season(s) come out are slim. It won't hurt your appreciation of the show. I know you're a pro at this by now, but just to reiterate, you should set up major firewalls (including from comments) to protect yourself from spoilers.

[@intensemk1381]

How is it selffish when he chose ellie and he knows he will be haunted with the choice the rest of his life and he didnot share the burden with ellie

[@DougHanson2769]

Gustavo’s Deep Dark Sad Music was a perfect fit in the shooting. He’s Empty! His Detached Mind (PTSD) from reality and the World like probably most people in that fearful state plus his love for her, he killed for Love. Emotional. Heartfelt ♥️

[@SiblingsReactandDrink]

So True!!!

[@DougHanson2769]

Joel smiling while she was feeding the giraffe with such sincerity and love was heartbreaking

[@somestranger1101]

Remember Marlene was afraid of Joel. Hell even Tommy his own brother had seen that side of him and was afraid. The one thing that has connected him to other people has been Ellie. The one thing that keeps him from becoming the monster.

[@Drugbert]

JAJAJAJA 15:05 me re comí el mambo de que era americana JAJASJ y de la nada empieza a putear

[@martinmillar7137]

Hospital scene was imo one of the most beautifully crafted scenes I've ever watched..ever.

[@golfsnake]

❤ 15:05

[@danh8804]

It was the Fireflies that didn't give Ellie a choice. Explicitly. Admittedly. They lied to her and put her under. If Marlene actually cared "what Ellie would want", she could have woken her up and asked her. The Fireflies didn't ask because it was the Fireflies that didn't care. If they'd had to, they'd have held her down screaming like David did, except they'd have cut her brain out. Joel may have had a doubt what she would have wanted, but Joel is also the one that her heard her, not hours before, *making plans for her future*. Absent explicit informed consent, the only rightful assumption to make is that she would want to live - same as any real world hospital would make. In theory, maybe Joel could have been convinced - by Ellie - but by the time he had gotten to people with the good sense to listen to his suggestions, everybody that mattered was already dead basically.

[@iliboxic7586]

Exactly. The firefly hypocrites forced Joel to choose because Ellie wasn't able to.

[@StinkFingerr]

Yes, they forced his hand. This isn't on Joel. My only complaint is that he was a clumsy Liar.

[@Danny0dbert]

If you don't want to play the game just watch the game movie !! Been fun watching this wild ride of a show with you. Looking forward to the next series.

[@pavelmyshov]

better to play the games, then watching. It's even more immersive this way

[@stephaniel2850]

That's how I got into the games as well - the movie-cut edits on youtube are wonderful 😄 (I'm just not a gaming person, and I'd tried watching the full playthrough with no commentary of the 1st game and just found myself getting *really* bored with the gameplay parts where it would just be like 45 minutes of Joel going around choking guys and/or infected out 😂So once I found the movie edits, that was way more my speed! They still have some of the gameplay that has important dialogue, but just not the stuff that's boring if you're not actually the one playing!)

[@annabethchase2569]

@@pavelmyshov The only restriction is that the second game, the one that she really doesn't want to wait for, is playstation only right now. That's really the biggest barrier to playing TLOU2 and instead people preferring the game movie. Same for the TLOU1 until now. I watched the game movie first and then borrowed a friend's PS4 months later and then played it.

[@happycatyoutube]

All of your emotions you went through, I had the exact same feelings when I played the game when it first game out and still feel the same everytime I play it 😅 and YES! You should play the game!!

[@tragicdeyz2641]

I can't claim this but I saw the best comment ever that sums this up. "The world took everything from Joel and Joel took everything from the world."

[@rx7dude2006]

Joel gave Ellie a chance to actually live and be happy.

[@rudy8900]

And people like Tess, Riley, Sam, and Henry will continue to die.

[@SimsinWonderland]

@@rudy8900 that’s assuming the fireflies would have successfully made and distributed the cure and all the evidence points to no

[@frozenharold]

Ellie explicitly told Joel earlier that very day that there was no way everything she's been through and everything she's done to getting done, couldn't be for nothing. There was no halfway with this. We finish what we stated. Joel was fully aware of what Ellie choice would have been. It's also why he lied to her about. So he doomed all of humanity so Ellie could have a few more years living in a world where she will undoubtedly continue to experience more pain and loss. He also told her doctors have stopped looking for a cure. So he robbed her of any hope as well.

[@rx7dude2006]

@@frozenharold She told Joel when it was done she would follow him anywhere.She had no intention of dying and no clue it would get to that.She thought they would just take some blood and be done with it.

[@frozenharold]

@@rx7dude2006 but she also said that there was no half-way with this. She would finish what she started. Also that everything she'd been through and everything she had done can't all be for nothing. Does that sound like, or does Ellie strike you as someone who would have said, "Whoa whoa whoa. I thought this was just a blood thing. Nevermind. F all of humanity." In that situation?

[@NavAK_86]

Lets not forget Marlene is not letting Ellie have a choice either. She essentially lied. Ellie doesn't know she'd have to die for the cure, Ellie even says after the hospital she'll follow Joel anywhere he goes. Marlene just doesn't wanna take the risk of what would happen if she told the truth, she's being selfish in her own ways. And she says ''Our doctors THINK we can find a cure''. Joel giving up on his surrogate daughter after his loss, on an ''IF''' would destroy him even more. Would u sacrifice your daughter for a POSSIBLE cure? And can we trust the Fireflies? They aren't saints themselves. How do we know whether they'd actually give everyone the cure - what about their rivals? How do we know the cure will reach across state lines in an already broken fkd up world? So many cons to each side, which is why that ambiguous ending is a masterpiece.

[@TomTomson81]

Joel and Marlene both know that Ellie would say yes. Why should Marlene be afraid if Ellie says no? She would do it anyway. She just doesn't say anything not to scare Ellie unnecessarily, like she said. It is the same situation as in episode 1 with the Fedra officer who gives the infected boys the lethal injection. Furthermore, there is no absolute certainty in medicine. No matter what it is. No doctor would give you 100% guarantees. There are always probabilities. Therefore, an "I think" is not an argument not to do it.

[@clonexx]

@@TomTomson81 ​ They still handled it completely wrong. If they had told Ellie the consequences, she would have said yes. They should have done that AND let Joel sit with her for a while and talk. Let Ellie assure Joel that she wants this and understands what’s happening. Eventually, maybe Joel would have come around and come to terms with it. It’s been 21 years at this point, what’s the difference in giving Joel a few days or even hours with Ellie? Since they did it the way they did, they removed any chance that Joel would accept it. People also have to understand that, to Joel, it’s his life on the line as well. If Ellie dies, he will kill himself, just like he tried after Sarah died. It would completely break him. So he’s not only fighting to save Ellie, but himself as well. There’s also a deeper argument that can be made that this “cure” won’t change anything as far as humanity goes. I doubt Joel is thinking about it this deeply, but all that would change is that bites would no longer be fatal. They still have the problem of tens of millions, if not billions, of infected out there along with raiders and cannibals that aren’t going to change how they operate. At this point, it’s too late for humanity to ever get back to pre-pandemic levels within any of their lifetimes or even their grandchildren’s lifetimes. People can still easily be ripped apart by infected or killed by raiders or cannibals. In essence, the cure wouldn’t really make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Then there’s the absolute war that FEDRA would wage on the Fireflies because the cure would give them too much power, so FEDRA would certainly try to take it from them. That’s also only if it even works, because there’s obviously no guarantee. It’s also odd that they go straight to the procedure that would kill her, the only known person with immunity, without attempting some other procedures first. The markers Marlene was talking about have to be in Ellie’s blood, there’s no reason they couldn’t start there, before just cutting her head open and removing her brain. Regardless, none of it makes Joel the good guy, he’s not. He’s squarely in the bad guy territory next to Walter White, Jax Teller and Vic Mackey. He’s a well written character, which is why so many people love him despite the fact that he’s not a good man, but an extremely protective one that can become a psychopathic serial killer if needed to prevent from losing a second daughter.

[@TomTomson81]

@@clonexx You can't invent arguments that the series or the game doesn't give to make it fit better for you. The whole thing what if after the cure is completely uninteresting or the operation and whatever is done how. What matters are the motivations of the characters to do what they do. All sides agree that Ellie brings the cure. None of those involved people doubts this. On the contrary, for Joel, instead of Ellie, another child can be operated to death. "find someone else". I go along with the first point. Everything could have been handled better. But it didn't happen. However, this does not give Joel the right to run through as a mass murder. There is no justification for this.

[@clonexx]

@@TomTomson81 Nowhere did I justify anything. My last paragraph made it very clear that nothing I typed before it made Joel the good guy and that he was in fact very much in the bad guy category with the other characters I listed. I also didn’t “invent” anything. They stated the cure only makes cordyceps think someone is infected, so the fungus doesn’t propagate. It doesn’t stop people from being ripped apart, since Ellie is attacked on multiple occasions and it certainly wouldn’t stop raiders or cannibals from carrying on with their business. So the cure isn’t really a cure, because they aren’t curing anyone whose already infected. At best it’s a vaccine, but it still doesn’t change the larger problems humanity is facing. There’s also nothing in the dialogue that specifies that they are 100% sure they can even create the vaccine. They aren’t exactly working in ideal conditions with huge teams of immunologists and other specialists, they’re relying on one doctor and 20+ year old, neglected medical technology. I also said Joel wouldn’t be thinking this deeply about it. It’s also fun to dig deeper into things beyond the surface level, whether it’s “what if” or not. I gave both, reasons within the confines of what we are given in the game/series and then went beyond that to logical outcomes even if a vaccine were created and distributed. There’s no harm in a thought experiment like that whatsoever, as long as that’s not all I was relying on to make a point, which it wasn’t.

[@TomTomson81]

@@clonexx I also think further thoughts are great. I like to do it just as much. But you have to separate that from what was shown. A what if, can not serve as a justification for the actions of the protagonists, if they themselves do not see them. There may be language barriers, as this is not my main language. I didn't want to attack you. Instead of "you" I should have used "one" for a general statement???

[@gastonvacherand1430]

So i guess theres two kind of people in this world

[@AdrianHernandez-st3pf]

15:06 koooomooo??? jajajaj

[@Ririten]

Subscribed to watch you play the game!

[@davidvieira8683]

I think Ellie forces herself to believe Joel because the chance of Joel lied to her is too scary and hurtfull for her to deal with but if I had a daughter or someone that I'd love like a daughter, I'd do the same Joel did

[@araisikewai]

Ellie likely knew Joel was lying, that was why she asked in the first place. But she never knew the extent of Joel's lies. She might have thought that Joel just had a change of heart and took her away.

[@jackbauer5455]

Well congrats on dooming the whole world if that was a true scenario but if I had a daughter I would demand to say goodbye but I would accept letting her die because I’m not selfish like you.

[@manbearpig7359]

Thank you. You are one of the very few reactors who at least questioned Joel's actions and did just cheer him on

[@joeokabayashi8669]

I hope you will be there for the second season. I have enjoyed this journey with you covering this series.

[@aguy2162]

I really liked your reaction. New sub

[@TTuning7]

I hope you are going to do gameplay of the game, but if not, enjoy it a lot! and one thing, the second game is only available on ps4/ps5

[@DrWatson4]

You wanted him to save Ellie well consider her saved 😂😂😂

[@dailyrip]

'What's Joel going to do, find some way to warn her?' Huhuhuhu great react!

[@VeraxMusic]

lol, that's new. I haven't seen anyone think that that was Joel's plan.

[@punishedfist]

Hey! Did you play the game? I looked and dont see any videos. Thank you for this series it was fun to watch :)

[@the_eaglefan]

Great reaction. Having played the game I knew this was going to be a very unsettling finish. I like how they showed it here as in the game after spending many hours getting to that point it kind of plays out like you're the hero. I'm glad they didn't paint it in that light here. These last two episodes show what is closer to the Joel from the game and from those 20 years since the outbreak. He's definitely an antihero. They couldn't have asked her (with this ending in mind) as it seems clear she would have agreed based on how she felt about everything that had happened. If they had and he does this he goes from possible "savior" to complete bad guy. Ellie's mom was the one who voiced Ellie in the game. Also, one of the nurses was someone who played a key character in the 2nd game but I won't spoil that. Thanks for another great video.

[@oxhine]

Hey, Pilar! Ashley Johnson, who voiced Ellie in the game, played Ellie's pregnant mom, Anna. The giraffes are straight out of the game. I'm so glad they kept that scene in! Save for the birth scene, Joel's attempted suicide story and a final action-packed push through a clicker- and bloater-infested tunnel en route to the hospital, the episode plays out almost exactly like the game! There are no other options! Animals can't be used as test subjects because they're unaffected! Neurosurgeons are a rarity in an apocalyptic world! Humanity's existence is poised on a knife's edge. The stakes are too big to risk Ellie saying 'no'. Joel sacrificed the lives of everyone in the hospital and everyone who dies of cordyceps from that day forward! Ellie had already decided before the hospital that she would see her mission through no matter what the cost and told Joel so. She said, "There's no halfway with this." Who wouldn't sacrifice themselves to save the world? It is her sole purpose for being. To deny fulfillment of this goal is to deny her destiny. Frankly, even if she didn't want to, she should be forced to kicking and screaming. It's devil's arithmetic but how would you feel if a loved one could have been spared but for the refusal of the one who carried the cure? What supreme arrogance! The big surprise at the end of the game is when you are forced to massacre the entire medical team to advance the plot. The game doesn't move along until you slaughter them all. At that point, you realize that your POV character, Joel, is the villain who dooms the world for purely selfish reasons. Heroes sacrifice. Joel does not. Ellie knows he is lying to her but she accepts the lie out of love for her surrogate father because the truth of his monstrous, self-serving decision is too horrifying to acknowledge. The hero was the villain all along.

[@JozyMozy]

"What are you gonna do if you see Marlene? Are you gonna shoot Marlene? Are you gonna kill everybody?" "...are you gonna kill the Doctor as well? A doctor in an apocalypse???" This is how I felt playing the game. I very much understood where Joel was coming from, but having to carry out his will via gameplay was something that really sticks with you. Edit- that expression on your face at the end? That was me, exactly, as I finished the game. No clue how to feel, I just knew things were...wrong! But in a good way, if that makes sense? Que magnifico reacción

[@Taubi81]

People with children are 100% Team Joel, any others 50/50.

[@atrevino90]

Will you share your gameplay here if you do play both games? or at least the second game?

[@pavelmyshov]

Are you going to record your walkthroughs in the games?

[@mconnaghan]

This show demands being thought about for a long, long time. And that may be the best part.

[@007NowOnline]

Great reactions as always.

[@valen2040]

See.....this is why doctors getting informed consent is a rule and law. ^_^

[@davidcortes3399]

Para mi es MUY importante jugar las dos partes (aunque sea en muy fácil, para no sufrir 😅) Porque interactuar de forma activa (jugando) con esa historia, ese mundo y esos personajes no tiene nada que ver con solo verlos en video (y eso que la serie es excelente) Sobretodo hay un giro en el 2 (SIN spoiler) que produce un gran impacto porque vos "tenes que hacerlo", no solo ocurre y lo miras, no, lo tenes que hacer vos como jugadora, con tus propias manos tenes que hacer que acurra, eso es incomparable a nivel emocional.

[@JoeVonD]

We often say that someone means the world to us but Joel had the chance to prove it.

[@MurlocBerserker]

I must say I'm enjoying your reactions. You're one of the few people that is actually flabbergasted by Joel's actions instead of endorsing them. What he did is 100% understandable but also immensely fucked up. I can't wait for your season 2 reaction and I think you really should play the games even if you're not a gamer. They are an incredible piece of media that everyone should experience.

[@brentonirwin8895]

Oh my gosh i cant wait for you to play the second game!

[@bmart73]

Just play game on easiest mode, its the cut scenes that you will enjoy the most....The second game is longer than the 1st, , and game will be releasing part 3 next year. (so maybe 2 more seasons) Also, Ellie (game) becomes Ellies Mum (show), then gives birth to Ellie(baby on show), confusing, yes?

[@notmyname4261]

Part 2 is going to be made into 2 seasons apparently.

[@josecrazyandproud]

Where did you hear anything about a part 3 being made lol hasn't been confirmed to even be in production

[@AnthonyChats]

There isn’t a part 3 yet. There is a multiplayer game coming out so people can play against each other and there will be new missions and stories, but it won’t have anything to do with Joel and Ellie’s story.

[@ss-ek9ru]

Well done, i have seen all the reactions on youtube, you are the only one get it. Dont forget what Maria said to Ellie. Ez sub. PS she doesnt believe him.

[@AngelTovar]

Pilar, you gotta play it!!!!!

[@clash5j]

Papa Bear is going to protect its cub. Having said that, actions have consequences

[@Nox4ever00]

Yes you are gonna play the games im excited!

[@zimvader25]

Ellie is 14yrs old. It’s silly to give a 14yr old kid the choice to sacrifice themselves over something that may or may not even work. And yes, i know the creator said it would’ve worked but he could literally say any nonsense and it’d be just as irrelevant. In this world, in this particular moment, they have no guarantee it would’ve worked and the fireflies weren’t going to just give it away if it did, either. The only thing Joel did wrong was lie to her in the end.

[@thrummer1953]

My only complaint is that He was a clumsy Liar.

[@ray24051]

People keep saying that Joel was selfish but you have to look at he and Ellie formed a bond they were together for months. She even saved his life and he started caring for her like a daughter, Joel lost one child and he was not going to lose another one. Also you have to think about it there was no guarantee that the samples they would have taken from her brain would have worked and she would have died for nothing.

[@VeraxMusic]

I don't think we're supposed to consider that this wouldn't work, I think we're meant to take at face value that it would work. But still, screw that. I would do what Joel did 100 out of 100 times.

[@ethidian3444]

I just want to say there were a lot more people in and around the hospital that Joel didn't kill. Those two nurses would just be the two closest witnesses to what happened. But in the sequence where he goes on a rampage it showed at least one person escape, an unarmed person with a backpack running.

[@pedrodionisio8789]

"she kind of looks like Ellie" que graciosa....me encanta que lo veas todo por primera vez. Parte 2 será una locura.

[@ferchucabrera6146]

After what they went through together, Joel opens from his armor trying to convince Ellie not to let her go. It was already part of her life. She tried to make Ellie understand, but Ellie was willing to make her sacrifice. emptiness that he was born to protect and he was failing, he goes blind and taking out everything that is between him and his objective. To see that girl who was worth his life for whom to fight without reasoning if it was the right thing or not

[@saadesigner07]

yes, you should play them. Love both games.

[@DougHanson2769]

“”It wasn’t Time that did it.”” Emotional Dynamite. 😢

[@tri-c5737]

Word of warning that part 2 is only on playstation at the moment. It's predicted to come to PC at some point but only the first one will come out on March 28th.

[@ernieojeda]

Ellie’s mom on here plays Ellie’s voice on the game. And the nurse. One of them played Abby on the second game. She’s going to be a big character next season

[@texn7526]

Amazing reaction and tv show thanks so much Pilar💞If you go through with playing the game like you said, I suggest going on the easiest difficulty. Not saying that you couldn't handle normal or hard, I'm just saying even on easy or story mode it's plenty difficult enough to navigate through the controls. But once you get how the inventory and all that other stuff work, you will be good to go! Thanks again Pilar! 10/10 for this series🥰They exceeded all my expectations completely!

[@yabangeedamat1907]

Joel did nothing wrong. Any parent in his position would do the same

[@ener11454]

Always remember the pregnant woman is the youngest sister from Growing Pains. That is Chrissy Seaver and nobody else!

[@ZariusFontaine]

This is the first time I noticed there are three nurses and he let the one person who ran away live too

[@shep4life]

What a finale! Amazing show

[@SaturnFrost]

Can't wait for season 2. Hopefully the casting is great, they did great season 1.

[@Wvaspartan]

One of the nurses in the back was played by the voice actor who voices Abby who is in Part 2 of the Last of Us game… Laura Bailey

[@MrPicklerwoof]

I think the point of this ending is that everything makes sense and it goes beyond what's 'right' or 'wrong'. For Joel, it makes sense to save Ellie from being murdered. It also makes sense for him to shield her from the truth afterwards. It makes sense for him to kill Marlene, knowing she was prepared to murder Elie without giving her a choice (and would hunt her down again). And it makes sense for Marlene to decide to go along with murdering Ellie, given that she was desperate to find a cure. Both Joel and Marlene did exactly what you would expect them to do and it's not really about who is more correct than the other. Their actions were already set in motion based on who they were. It was inevitable. I will say one thing though: Marlene set off the whole chain of events by losing her humanity towards Ellie, which was a terrible first step to take when you are claiming to save humanity in general.

[@Macktube]

There's gonna be a lot of people suffering in the world now but Joel did what he did. The 2nd game is a Masterpiece but don't read the comments when u play cause people will try to spoil it and make you hate certain parts just play it on your own and experience the story

[@charliepepper333]

Ellie’s mom IS ELLIE! (Ashly Johnson plays Ellie in the game)

[@Dave3Dguy]

You are right about the scene feeling weird when Joel is comparing Ellie to Sarah. It's meant to come off awkward because it implies that he is not seeing her entirely as her own person, but as a substitute for his daughter. She is like a placeholder that is holding him together. It is part of the reason he goes on the rampage. He cannot go back to being that broken person again. It is only partly about saving her. It is also a selfish decision about protecting himself from being nothing and having no purpose. Ellie is picking up on this during their hike. He is not seeing her as her, but as something vital he needs to hang on to for any chance at sanity. And that's not a healthy relationship. This is very human. Very sad. And very real. Great reaction Pilar!

[@Enterprisek143]

Joel couldn't lose another daughter, especially to something that might not even work. Its an impossible choice, but in the words of tess, he saved who he could save. The Sarah talk, it was a combination of subconsciously justifying his choice to himself, and the fact he hadnt spoken about Sarah in 20 years, and the flood gates have been opened.

[@gailseatonhumbert]

It's an ethics exercise. He killed the doctor who was going to kill Ellie. He did not kill the nurses who were not armed. Maureen told him it was the doctor's untested "theory" they were going to use to kill Ellie. Ellie who among other things incredibly saved his life when he was stabbed. Neill Druckmann asked the game play testers if Joel made the right choice - people without children split 50-50 with kids 100%. It's pretty simple Ellie wasn't given a choice. They were going to kill her always for others benefit not hers. Standard situation ethics question they have been using since after WWII and the concentration camps and medical experiments carried out on prisoners there also without consent. Joel is ethically correct and nobody knows if killing Ellie for this experiment would even work as a cure for others. Selfish? You get sacrificed, killed by strangers like any other lab animal in an experiment that's the ethical question. As for Joel killing everyone he is doing what special forces do, dissociate and carry out the mission. They are not people when he is doing that they are obstacles and targets on the way to the mission objective. It's ruthless but so is Maureen starting with using the flash bang device on him and the rifle butt to his head. They would have killed him without any problem correct? so he does the same thing to them.

[@StinkFingerr]

*CORRECT!*

[@Espinozaize]

That is really the essential problem here: This ending is really,really an example of contrived storytelling. I mean there are beautiful scenes & moments. Still the overall plot does not make any sense...In any way shape or form. Marlene, whom has sworn to save & protect Ellie, whilst fully aware that she is immune to the Corticepts. Best friends with her mother also. So we are to believe that she just purely desides to have Ellie killed. Without informing her of anything?? If this story was told correctly then one of two scenarios shold have played out: 1.Marlene tells Ellie that she has no chice but to kill her in order to save millions & that she hopes Ellie understands why she has to do this. 2. She askes Ellie if she is willing to give her life in an attempt to save save humanity. One or the other would make sense. Not just doing it to her best friends child without her volition. The Joel story arc though. Makes it even more contrived. Because he knows & flatout states: "Corticepts grows in the the brain..." He knew that all along. Given that then what did Joel expect was going to happen if they arrived at a hospital??? Why does he not tell Ellie about this very, very likely possibility? So that she has a choice. When it comes to storytelling it is ridicules that Marlene & Joel does not sit down with Ellie & explain to her what is going on. Both of them are hugely invested in her life

[@gailseatonhumbert]

@@Espinozaize Joel doesn't have a clue that they are going to kill Ellie to harvest her brain. When he finds out he stops it.

[@Espinozaize]

@@gailseatonhumbert Yes he does. That is just what I stated above. Joel flatout says to Marlene: " But Corticepts grows in the brain". So he is clealy & obviously very aware of this fact. Given this it is extremely odd, not to say contrived, writing, that he is surprised by this possible outcome. He knows that Ellie is the sole individual, that is immune. He knows perfectly well that the corticepts grows & fuctions via the brain. He is not a moron. So he sould have put two & two together & told Ellie that she might have to give her life for this...In order to save humanity by giving her brain matter to the Firefly Doctors. It is made abuntly clear that he has all of this information. So why is he surprised when Marlene tells him that she is being prebed for surgury?? Well because the way Marlene acts makes no sense either. She knows Joel & was present at Ellies birth. Why does she attack them with a smoke granade?? Why does she just command the child of her best friend to be killed, without atleast telling her that this has to be done to save millions? Marlene swore to save & protect Ellie. It makes no sense. Neither does it that Joel lied to Ellie about it after words. He has no reason to do so, given how irationally Marlene acted for no explained reason...

[@sanshine4717]

Like someone said in the comments, he wasn't comparing sarah to ellie in a weird way. Joel hasn't talked about sarah since she died, and now with what happened on the hospital he was reliving all that trauma. Which you can see in the way it was filmed and edited, his stare, the silence when he kills each person, his face again in the elevator, realizing what he did. Later on when he was walking with ellie, it's the fact that he could save ellie, unlike sarah. So he just finally allowed himself to let it out and talk about her. Not comparing, but thinking how she and ellie would have gotten along so well.

[@clarkmichaels822]

He sees them both as his daughters who never met each other. He also never talked about Sarah so Ellie has literally no idea who she was as a person, which is what Joel is trying to share. It's a type of therapy for him. He can finally remember Sarah outside of her death but as the person that she was when she was alive.

[@VeraxMusic]

I can't believe that's what she thought Joel was doing -_- .

[@sanshine4717]

@@VeraxMusic I mean, it can be misinterpretated. Even joel was apologizing to ellie in case she thought he was comparing, so it's not so far fetched that she thought that way

[@AnthonyChats]

Some helpful tips if you play the game (which would be great). There are different difficulty levels that you can change at any time. So you can put it on Easy or Normal or whatever you feel comfortable with. There are also “Accessibility” options where you can turn on features to help with things like aiming at enemies or even seeing enemies. Totally up to you, but could be helpful since it sounds like it will be your first game. Have fun!

[@ThieuDwar]

The show was great, the game is legend. I hope you play it, I hope all your followers are patient with you because it is quite hard.

[@intensemk1381]

would you sacrifice your own daughter for the potential cure ? Thats the question

[@tomassoejakto]

There's something wrong with me, I think I'm infected. I've been going around KZbin watching reactions to this finale. LOL. And most everybody else (including me) reacted the same way to the baby scene: "SHE SAID COVER THE BABY'S EARS, YOU IDIOT!" 🤣 from that day forward, that guy is SO gonna become more extra than just an extra.

[@prasithoudomvilay8454]

My reaction is different to urs because I played the game before this drama series. Love ur reaction as a non gamer, did u get to play the game yet? Pretty much line by line is the same as the game but it's just a little different. Ep 3 that background of that one was not in the game and ellie mother giving birth to ellie was not in the game either and Sam actually talked on the game but in the drama he was deaf and sign language (Neil druckmann creator of the video game regret that he should put that character instead of talking sam)

[@AlexUnder_BR]

Everybody keep saying the same thing.. that Ellie should get an opinion on this but obviously it doesn't solve anything, because.. SHE IS A CHILD! When a tennager decides to drink alcohol and you sell some to her you are commiting a crime, when a tennager CHOOSES to have a romantic romance with a growing man is also a crime. Because we all figure out that a teen is not mature enought to make such decisions. So, why or how Ellie deciding KILLING HERSELF is somehow mature now? Is just because human beings are just selfish. They'll change morality just for the sake of self preservation. The catch is if you agree to kill childs for the sake of the future of your society you'll pretty much endup like Mayas or Incas who vanish whithout trace anyway after those countless and pointless human sacrifices.

[@anatheodoro9596]

I know right. Somehow, to people, Marlene not accepting a NO (as in "oh, no, I will kill you even though you say you don't want to die") and Joel not accepting a YES (as in "I will do everything to keep you alive even though you tell me you want to die") for an answer is the same.

[@joepike1972]

4:23 She is the voice actress who played Ellie in the video game.

[@dearkazuscorner2549]

¿Igual deberias probar el juego? Ya sé que no eres "gamer", pero igual sería la mejor excusa para probar ese mundillo? Vale la pena Pilar, la serie la ves, pero si juegas el juego, literalmente serás Joel. ¡Durante más de 20 horas! El grado de "attachment" que llegas a coger por los personajes... está en otro nivel, en serio!!! jejeje edito porque al final del video ya dices que lo vas a jugar!!! Que gran noticia!!! Es una experiencia increible!!

[@Xerrand]

You say what Joel did was fucked up because he did not give Ellie a choice. That's exactly what the fireflys did as well lol. They just threw a grenade at her and Joel, and instantly whisked her away unconscious to surgery. It was grisly and dishonest beyond words, and the only mistake Joel made was leaving the two nurses alive at the end.

[@Debrutsideno]

That is such a brilliant business by Sony & HBO. It brought the story to a new audience. If you don’t want to wait for season two go pick up the game TLoU part 2. I feel like it is going to get a boost in game sales and PS5 console sales since it’s currently exclusive to PS4&PS5. If you can I highly recommend playing on PS5. Even if people play the second game between now and when the second season starts they will still come back to HBO to watch the next season. It just seems like really smart business.

[@DavidHunter]

You should DEFINITELY play Part 2 before the show comes out. The story is so well told. It’s epic and really nuanced story telling. I don’t even know if the tv show will work as well as the game for Part 2

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

The key is the narrative structure. Which coincidently a huge portion of the fandome hated. They actually still seem to hold on the hope that the show at least changes the structure of the storytelling. I'm not convinced that the structure should be any different. It is important to peel away the layers at the right moment and not too soon just to make it easier to swallow.

[@dearkazuscorner2549]

@@Quotenwagnerianer I found the second game to be outstanding! Screw the haters! Also, I'm Team Abby 100% lol

[@DavidHunter]

@@Quotenwagnerianer Yep, exactly. Plus it sounds like Part 2 will be split over 2 seasons and I can imagine if they stuck to that it could frankly lose some viewers as the payoff will be a long time coming.

[@golfr-kg9ss]

Well on the plus side Joel and Ellie both survived the episode. Quite the moral conundrum. I like the idea of asking Ellie if she's willing to sacrifice herself but what if she says no? I don't think the Fire Flies would just let her walk. Also there's no guarantee that what they want to do will work and she may die for nothing.

[@captainofdunedain3993]

Joel is not ready to lose her.

[@qaaronrodgers2479]

I feel like I was the only one who thought this was a time jump similar to House of the Dragons. I played both TLOU games, and I was jumping for joy thinking that Ashley Johnson was playing older Ellie, especially since that house is the house at the end of the second game.

[@kelwindx10]

Si tu joues au 2 jeux ça serait cool de le faire en live qu'on puisse avoir tes réactions sur ces 2 titres. Bonne continuation.

[@jotwee63]

Yes, definitely play the game :)