The Last of Us Part 2 - Ellie Brutally Kills Nora and is Traumatized

[@VideoGameSophistry]

For those wanting me to press square - this was my first playthrough of the game and I was hoping, nay, praying, that this game would give me some sort of interactivity. Some sort of choice since this death seemed to be a little different the hundreds I butchered before this. The game did not, yet they still wanted me to press square.

[@PurpleColonel]

Why isn't this a movie?

[@yutro213]

Press "⬜" to kill is the new "Press F for Respect".

[@dak_9838]

You could cut the frames

[@necroticzxx]

Yeah I figured as much. You're good dude

[@mravg79]

I do not mind the square pushing I get Ellies anger and the revenge quest Norra was mocking the way Joel died and got similar treatment. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is characters (Ellie or Abby) not able to learn from what they experience just so the game can be longer and drag player through the misery. So Ellie is devastated in this moment she did same thing as Abby, it crushed her. So why not to let go? Why at this point not to have the reflection shit revenge is bad it already took a toll on me and it will be even worse if I decide do continue. But no we have to go through this misery porn (till the ending which is miserable) because this was the "artistic vision"?

[@lolmosse7276]

Nora successfully pissed off both Ellie and player by shit-talking Joel.

[@DA_BOID]

I am a fan of Joel. Not the game series. Just Joel and his character arc in it. As a fan of Joel, this game is an outrageous insult of the utmost disrespect, and I will not pay or play it. Nora was right. Joel died stupidly due to bad writing.

[@daxxomg5175]

Then you are not damm fan. Ppl like you are the problem. I love Joel as charakter but he never was a hero. Our boy paid for what he did. For Us gamers and Ellie he was hero but for others he was monster, Joel killed a lot of ppl and the only guy that could mąkę the cure. Its amazing becasue theres No white and black story but stupid haters will hate

[@MyUniqueHandle.]

@@daxxomg5175 Fireflies killed a lot of people too. and didnt even hold up their end of the agreement. Looks like the point of the original game went right over your head.. marlene even thought about killing joel when he brought her to them and they were going to kill ellie for a 'chance' of a cure. "They asked me to kill the smuggler. I'm not about to kill the one man in this facility that might understand the weight of this choice". Just like Sarah was taken from Joel without CHOICE and they did the same to him with ellie. Humanity is fucked. Cannibals, hunters and marshall law in the communities. how did you not draw that conclusion from the first game normie? by your logic everybody deserves to die.

[@jalenwalker8790]

@@daxxomg5175 no that’s just not true. Lest not act like the doctor was a damn saint when he was completely okay killing Ellie for a cure that would not work after they tried with 13 other ppl to make a cure and died. What would make Ellie so special to be the one to make the cure? She did have the opportunity to consent which makes Abby the bad person in this game for being upset that Joel killed her father after Abby and the doctor were okay with what they were doing

[@t_rexdiaz6778]

@@daxxomg5175 hahah not such thing as a "cure"

[@mentvltrillness]

Mocks someone getting tortured to death. *Gets tortured to death* Ellie breaks the same arm Nora used to beat Tommy with.

[@YASSER9210]

Underrated comment

[@surrealdrumz]

you have the memory of a crow dude. good catch

[@amuroray9115]

@@surrealdrumz or the memory of an elephant

[@wingedpikpik1787]

@@amuroray9115 notably, she has the same name as the elephant from DKC3.

[@user-ko5ul7yi1x]

Funny how that kind of pain would come to hit her back eventually and worse.

[@tonytan5945]

Nora: "You shoot me, and the sound will have every soldier come running." Ellie: *(Attaches silencer)* "You were saying?"

[@makeway3080]

Nora: “You shoot me, and the sound will have every soldier come running.” Me: “I killed a 100 just to get here.”

[@_DaniDLF_]

I literally had a silencer on when I entered the room, that was so weird lmao

[@TheCompleteMental]

*pulls off table leg* "Aight, bet."

[@ThePunishedPollo]

even with suppressors guns are still extremely loud

[@user-ko5ul7yi1x]

Ellie: *Respect the pipe. RESPECT IT.*

[@AGFASANO]

This dude really just checked for loot during a chase. 😂

[@ferny1267]

Bruh, what happenes if he misses a fucking energy sword?

[@belzerahan5732]

@@ferny1267 LMAOO

[@camcane1]

LMAOOOO

[@maddilmao5064]

HONESTLY I WAS LIKE SIS THERE AINT GONNA BE SHIT THERE JUST RUN

[@stayhydratedkingsqueens]

Shit it doesn't hurt to have some extra supplies right? 😂

[@Guccicurry]

Nora: “im not giving up my friend” Me: “aight bet.” *BONK*

[@theimortal1974]

and yet by a miracle she knew abbie was at the aquarium. i guess she's telepathic.

[@cinezurdo]

Joshua Fraim Huh? Ellie literally said that she made Nora talk. After beating her, Nora told Ellie about Abby’s whereabouts.

[@CharlieZColt]

C H I L L I N E E I’m glad you guys brought this up because I was confused about that too, like doesn’t the last swing kill her? Or was there dialogue I missed cause I pressed square too quickly

[@pipeanp]

All I keep thinking about is that stupid dog meme LOL

[@Guccicurry]

C H I L L I N E E gosh would’ve loved to see that

[@NickiFlawlessMinaj]

Ellie’s hands shake whenever she enters a door it reminds her of the moment when Joel died

[@theklippet]

She does that in the trailer too, before she plays the guitar

[@GrownManPat]

Yup - It's an indication of her PTSD. The blood triggers it. That shot of her before Dina takes her shirt off is heartbreaking. She is doing what she thinks she needs to do but it's eating away at her humanity. I wanna hug her :(

[@xavierdavies8714]

I didn't know that

[@xavierdavies8714]

Thanks for the information

[@icantthinkofaname1062]

That and the fact that she just tortured someone- beat them to death the same way Joel died

[@cocomo111]

After she said that about Joel, Nora's death was gratifying.

[@smoker5989]

I wish they would show us his dead body i mean this game is rated M for mature so what's the point of not showing it to us?

[@bliz974zard]

@@smoker5989 i also want to see it but then i think that video games now desensitized me to violence

[@bulletproofman323]

It honestly was not. I was expecting some God of War slow revenge torture after all they did and the shit they talked. Dissapointing.

[@coochielord6569]

Yes

[@RabiaDeConejo]

@@smoker5989 apparently showing Joels raw death was fine, maybe cause he's a man. Showing a woman tortured here would have been against the storys ideology🤦‍♂️.

[@roylee6466]

Ngl, I had literally no sympathy for Nora getting brutally murdered after she said Joel got what he deserved lmao.

[@cjg3496]

Yes but the aftermath of her death I guess she got the last laugh after all

[@mackielunkey2205]

Well, I think that’s just kind of reductive. Like it’s a lot more complex. Edit: Man looking back, I was pretty much dumb lol. The story may not be the worst, but it sucks more and more when you think about it.

[@MystikMonK-d1k]

I totally agree with you that was insanely disrespectful, at least in tlj they didn't have the balls to say that fuck shit about luke

[@coochielord6569]

Ik

[@ryancarson6962]

Mackie Lunkey Is it really? I mean they killed Tommy, Joel’s brother, and he had nothing to do with the Fireflies massacre, that was all Joel. The moment they killed his innocent brother just because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time, that was when they lost ANY moral high ground. They all deserve to get fucking killed for doing that shit. What goes around comes around.

[@turbofoams]

the way she just says "hi nora" while casually blocking the only exit is so badass

[@blom6930]

@T.O.W. nah it’s badass

[@Aether2high]

@T.O.W. Joels death drove her insane

[@ruthlesschihuahua6029]

@T.O.W. pleasure?? She was traumatized after that

[@serena841]

@T.O.W. Did you play the game/watch a playthrough ?

[@adel885]

How old are u? 12 ?

[@paultsang7926]

Fun Fact: This whole thing happened while Abby is fighting the Rat King in the hospital’s basement. You can hear the soldier complaining about the power being on 4:09 because Abby switched on the generator. You can also kind of hear the Rat King’s scream in the background during the chase scene.

[@noonecares5381]

Paul Tsang WHENS THE SCREAM THATS WHY I HERE

[@ahgksi]

@@noonecares5381 My guess is 8:28

[@mehakshahid9996]

8.30 to be specific when ellie says: where's abby?

[@littlepunkxdlol6081]

Woe

[@addieeeson]

Wow that’s so cool. I still believe Naughty Dog are THE best at details. Too bad Neil’s writing ruined the entire game.

[@saegglopurchnt3686]

Dude just press that damn square

[@LLawliet04]

I think he's trying to see if anything happens if he didn't press square. I do this most of the times too

[@chillpill7003]

I think he does it to get to the 10 minute mark for ads

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

@@chillpill7003 you get ads regardless if its 10 minutes or not

[@mohamedelkayal8871]

@@LLawliet04 yeah I thought of the same thing.

[@Ricky911_]

I thought he had taken a toilet break for a second 😂

[@nugsboodlepoo]

I didn't realize this until after several playthroughs but the last hit with the pipe before the screen goes black isn't actually the killing blow. Ellie actually tortures Nora after that hit and that's how she finds out why they killed Joel and finds out Abby is at the aquarium. I used to be so confused as to why Ellie is so rattled after returning from the hospital because she's killed so many people up to that point and was completely unfazed by it. She's rattled not because she killed Nora, but because it was the first time she tortured someone.

[@Danimalsfan]

Wow i didnt even realize

[@TecraX2]

Of course that wasn't what killed her. If that had been the case, how would Ellie have gotten Abby's location from Nora?!?

[@princessthyemis]

OOOHHHH. I'm not saying I wish they showed torture, but it would've been nice to see Ellie receiving the information in some way-- because, IMO, it seems kind of like how you'd find out in a T.V. show -- you just hear about it happening offscreen; the info hits different, not as impactful to me since I was told and not shown, you know?

[@princessthyemis]

holy shit. That's so disturbing,.

[@monniemai1592]

Did you guys just not get the point of the scene or

[@camcane1]

9:18 One of the coolest shots in the game. The combination of Ellie's angry expression,the red lighting and the music makes this scene GOLD.

[@alejandroalvarado3409]

@Jojo Momo No, it's just red lightning to simbolyze Ellie slowly losing her humanity through violence and cruelty.

[@GrownManPat]

@@alejandroalvarado3409 Well stated

[@mrbelarabi6062]

Ummm

[@rojeroje5374]

Ngl she's scared me

[@GrownManPat]

@Pikora Animation Damn, when you put it like that.... That gave me chills...

[@juan2049]

4:08 “The fucks the power doing on?” Gah that’s such an amazing detail.

[@xrayvisin]

BROOOO NO WAY I never thought about it like that

[@hp2823]

i dont get it

[@Cxncubine]

@@hp2823Abby turned the power on while fighting the rat king I believe

[@Flag-kz1tr]

3:30 this is such amazing acting on Ashley Johnson’s part. The way Ellie says “get back” with so much frustration. These actors are on a whole other level

[@DonkeySaturn]

Came to check if anyone else appreciated this part as much as me. Also nice pfp!

[@duckcluck123]

Every line of hers is delivered perfectly

[@princessthyemis]

YEAH!!!!

[@PreciousPayne-i5k]

Yea

[@ВладимирКириков-ф2в]

8:56 Now think how many people died because you killed him.

[@autruff18]

And to say they had never touch a fly to become who they are then

[@MazDconDecepticon]

That sounds a bit like victim-blaming. If you're talking about Ellie's mass murder spree.

[@MrTysonfish]

😃👏😃👏😃👏😃👏😃👏😃👏😃👏 congratulations!!! you figured it out!

[@BlueSkullX]

@@MazDconDecepticon If you played the game then you know the WLF attacked her first

[@kevinthunder3375]

@@BlueSkullX some idiots go out of the way to blame Ellie and Joel. Honestly, they even put the blame on them for Pittsburgh, The Burbs, the University, and the cannibals. All of those were self-defense. Hell, the Fireflies were gonna throw Joel out into the zombie world without any weapons and murder a child without even so much as a by-your-leave; that was self-defense too.

[@siapasaia2247]

The way Ellie's deep voice is like psychopath seriously... i love her

[@HrisaRi]

Yeeeees!

[@benjaminreif4800]

Agreed

[@Jfam11638]

It is really cool I gotta admit But From a story perspective, I think it highlights something very important going on with Ellie’s character - she’s becoming more and more of a monster - the same kind she sees Abby as. Torturing her victims to get what she wants in the same way her surrogate father was killed. I like the transformation, but in the story’s context, it’s scary to see Ellie like this.

[@ghostwolf94]

@@Jfam11638 joels death turned her to cold blooded killer

[@TheCompleteMental]

@@Jfam11638 motives vs goals

[@smoker5989]

Nora: "I'm not giving up my friend". Ellie: "Very poor choice of words".

[@Rodam96]

No exceptions...

[@TheProtagonist2020]

That is not the right answer.

[@frombogue]

Its funny how Ellie battered the wrong person with a long metal object.

[@Alan-xg4yr]

@Lil RE lol

[@fatherpucci8170]

Ellie was looks like Jacket from Hotline Miami do know what I'm mean ?

[@rohinkaushal2434]

@@fatherpucci8170 i have played hotline Miami and I didn't get what you are saying

[@whytwokay]

@@fatherpucci8170 don't know the context but if you didnt know this when you infiltrate the hospital as ellie theres a girl playing hotline miami on a psvita

[@wowsnow420]

It's about sending a message

[@mouthbreather8596]

Am going to pretend that the last of us part 2 never was a thing.

[@vishnulachansin9023]

You legit said what i was gonna say. This is BAD WRITING. THIS WOMAN HAS KILLED LITERALLY HUNDREDS. BUT ITS THIS THAT FUCKS HER UP. ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

[@sincere9142]

Vishnu Lachansin but who else would've planted the seed in her head that maybe Joel isn't such a good guy after all? She probably had time going back to Dina and Jesse to think about what Nora said and how many people really are dead because of him, maybe even see why Nora and the others did what they did. Just speculating here.

[@PlayStation360Gamer]

I thought they would've caught on after trying this with Far Cry 3's Jason but.. nope.

[@jonathanmora8208]

Bad writing

[@itsyaboi2.015]

Maybe it was PTSD of that time she killed David

[@jessy1332]

8:29 you can hear the rat king roar, this scene happens at the same time abby meets the rat king. God i love this game so much.

[@danielgoshtasbi2007]

I watched the clip just to hear the rat King roar. But i couldnt find it until i Saw your comment hahaha

[@LudiHunter11]

The beauty of that scene is that, without knowing it, Ellie was so close to Abby 😁

[@tonytan5945]

When you fight the WLF in the underground, one of them says "What on Earth is the power doing on?". It may not mean much at first, but later you will realize that it's on because Abby activated it.

[@wholelottalina777]

Lulu Hunter wow this one hit different!!

[@rebekahwolkiewicz449]

Jessy Thank you, people who appreciate this game and don’t berate you for it! 😇

[@javi0076]

They are acting like Joel is the only person who has killed someone in the world. It's just stupid. 😑

[@ShimaS-0079]

I get it. Everyone have people more special to them then others. You kill my family, I'm coming for ya.

[@JuanLopez-kk9wi]

@@ShimaS-0079 Thank you a normal fucking human reaction.

[@hansalanson3497]

I thought the entire point of the game is to show that he isn't the only one that can and will do so.

[@piettro4636]

The point of the game is that everyone that is trying to get a revenge is wrong. The father of Abby was wrong in trying to kill Ellie, Joel was wrong in killing hundreds of people besides torturing some of them, Abby was wrong in killing Joel, Ellie was wrong in trying to kill Abby... It's a cicle that is broken at the end

[@nikobellic9010]

@@piettro4636 i don't wanna play a video game to learn a lesson i already know

[@necroticzxx]

Shit. She's running away! Need to check this room first tho xD

[@cellP8]

lol

[@SpikeBoss1]

Supplies 😂

[@Hornet5561]

Of all the criticisms I've seen directed at this game, the whole "Ellie kills throughout the game with no issues, but after Nora, she is suddenly traumatised!?" claim is probably one of the sillier ones. Is it really so hard to see the difference between killing out of necessity to survive and willingly torturing a defenceless person for information? Ellie has done plenty of the former, and so obviously it's more-or-less second nature to her, but this was her FIRST time outright torturing a human being. You don't think that's going to do some emotional damage? C'mon guys.

[@VideoGameSophistry]

I stabbed a woman begging for her life in the neck and watched the blood go all over my hands moments after throwing a molitov cocktail on a dog that was mourning the loss of it's owner...Ellie then started laughing and flirting with Dina 2 minutes later on horseback together....that's poor storytelling

[@Hornet5561]

@@VideoGameSophistry And what would have happened if you didn't kill that dog and woman I wonder? Also, I don't suppose you ever refrained from killing a beggar, just out of curiosity to see what would happen? I did multiple times, and every single time I let them be, they would get up, find cover, and continue the onslaught. These people are threatening Ellie, and much alike the first game, she does what she needs to do to stay alive. It's part of her norm, so I completely buy the violence happening in one minute and trivial banter ensuing soon after, because she is so used to it. Torturing someone for information, as I said, isn't something she's done before. You're articulating the difference I highlighted more than you think.

[@TheTrailburner]

The game actually gives you the option to kill the last person standing in a group should they be badly injured. It's during these moments the game slows down and the camera locks onto the individual in question. You can kill them with Ellie's switchblade or walk away, but even if you walk away they'll die from their wounds anyways. It's a case of the game having its cake and trying to eat it too. Like Story and Gameplay departments were not talking to each other. Best comparison to this scene I can think of is "Metroid: Other M" where Samus has a mental breakdown when she see's Ridley despite the fact that she's defeated him many times before.

[@Hornet5561]

@@TheTrailburner That's interesting, that never happened to me during my play-through. Whenever an enemy started begging, and I proceeded to walk away, they got up and started shooting at me again lol. Maybe on my next play-through I'll experience that situation. I still don't think it's really a problem within the greater context of the story though. These begging people were trying to kill Ellie, so for Ellie to kill them in return just shows she's ensuring her survival and preventing any negative repercussions that may arise if they were to be left alive. The torture aspect with Nora I view differently because it's not done out of defence, it's done purely out of lust for information. There is no necessity to kill, but she does it anyway because she desperately wants Abby. It's strictly personal, and more emotionally traumatising for that reason.

[@RenadDerar]

I think the reason why shes acting like this because she killed nora in a similar way to how she killed david from the first game and that is what really traumatised her

[@masterzombie161]

“How many people are dead because of him.” Ellie: am I a joke to you? Naughty dog: yes

[@vincentgray9235]

The same could be said about nathen drake though lmao clown

[@cjmk5923]

None... Joel saved humanity by not finding a cure. Humanity would just repeat it's shitty mistakes if they didn't have a clear and present threat.

[@heyjoji1954]

CJMK ah who knows at this point I knew Joel wasn’t a good person but they aren’t exactly in a world where good people survive fuck everyone I guess

[@vincentgray9235]

@@cjmk5923 what? Wtf kinda dumb answer is that. One persons selfishness over the fate of the the human race. You're an idiot

[@joshagee8251]

@@vincentgray9235 clearly, you do not have a child.

[@Mikeh2077]

“She had it comin.” -Ronnie Shaw, Commonwealth Minutemen.

[@gyver45]

Made me spit out my drink lmfao

[@dxh3rty583]

Should've never tried to lord it over the commonwealth 😂

[@Mikeh2077]

XCall Me IsaacX, that never ends well.

[@francomilazzo8277]

Fallout 4 what a great game

[@vendetta3941]

I honestly think ronnie should've been general.

[@rebekahwolkiewicz449]

I think scenes like this is when Ellie realized she didn’t want to lose herself. She didn’t really want revenge to drag her down like it did to Abby. Look at what Abby’s revenge eventually cost her. All her friends, her group and physical hell, which now she has Lev to care for. She may learn the love Joel had in saving Ellie, maybe even have to sacrifice something selfishly because of her love for him. That’s even worse. Learning and becoming what your enemy was. That’s why she let Abby go. It’s not always sunshine and rays and satisfying revenge. She clearly didn’t enjoy the revenge and it bothered her. I don’t think this game isn’t as bad as people say. It’s just too emotionally complicated for people nowadays who think emotions and events are one way or the other and have to happen a certain way for closure.

[@ibrahimzlatanovic5741]

Ppl hate it because the story is full of plot holes and badly structured and because of thefalse advertising before release. Stop with the it‘s too complicated excuse because the story is not complex at all smh

[@YungZaraki]

I said the same thing

[@rebekahwolkiewicz449]

Ibrahim Zlatanovic Yeah, it is too much apparently. People are too emotional shallow and immediately say “She killed all these people but she didn’t kill Abby, what a waste.” People think everything is fine as long as you get revenge. That shows that they couldn’t appreciate an emotionally complex situation, it’s fine to not like it. But people are hating it because THEY aren’t satisfied with THEIR emotions. I’m shaking my head at you. What plot holes? That’s all I hear but nobody ever names one. They just wanna complain.

[@davidmitchell3247]

And I don't think this game is as good as people say it is

[@chainmail5886]

Or, the game just fucking sucks.

[@durpity7113]

Nora getting beating to death with a pipe is like music to my ears...

[@benedictcamper7758]

Honestly, I dont get why people are that bound to Ellie and Joel. Abbey tortured and killed only one person - Joel because he killed her father and denied a chance of saving at least a part of humanity from the infection. He was extremely selfish. Also, she spared Ellie two times.. Ellie's behaviour is a lot worse. She doesn't only eliminate all of Abbey's friends. Her obsession is so strong that closer to the ending she even leaves Dina with a baby! She chose reveng instead of family! Again, I do not understand how people are incapable of accepting the fact that Abbey is a lot more merciful and kind than Ellie in this part being a natural bitch.

[@durpity7113]

Abby is not kind as Ellie because 1 she slept with Owen when he and Mel was in a relationship. 2 when Abby was about to kill Dina even though she knew Dina was pregnant so she fine with also killing a baby and that isn’t merciful. She was going to kill Dina and Ellie if it wasn’t for Lev. People like Joel and Ellie because they were realistic, and relatable characters. Their father-daughter like relationship made these characters more interesting. Joel’s decision was selfish but understandable because Ellie gave Joel a second chance of happiness and a reason to continue surviving. I’m pretty sure you did not play the first game.

[@Literallyryangosling777]

@@benedictcamper7758 abby literal didn't had any problem enjoying beating a old man to death while a girl scream her to stop how to hell i supose to think that she is good? Apart joel saves ellie from being killed by a doctor that was working with a terrorist group, and he was going to kill a 14 years old girl for a experiment that did't work before

[@Literallyryangosling777]

@@benedictcamper7758 apart abby didn't had any problem on killing his old mates for over a boy that meet that day, abby didn't care about using his friends on something personal and later she didn't care about his friends getting killed

[@BlueSkullX]

@@benedictcamper7758 Play the first game and you'll see why. Also, Abby is more merciful? This is the same woman who had to be stopped from intentionally killing a baby to get back at Ellie. The same woman who betrayed and murdered her own people when she chose Lev over them and didn't feel any guilt behind it. Ellie was the one that let Abby live in the end and she's the bitch because she was killing the people who played a role in her father figure getting beat to death in front of her? You're a poor judge of character. I don't care how many dogs she pets or what random kid she saves. That does not make Abby a good character. Joel and Ellie were well written characters who didnt need those forced sympathy points just so people could like them.

[@M.R.B18ck]

I like how after the first cut-scene you struggled to control Ellie properly as if you really got hit in the face.

[@ivandusakdiks3658]

lol.

[@_Bakers_dozen_-ee8yf]

Ivan Dusakdiks when I hit my thc pen and the high hits me

[@RickeGnool]

The way she says ''Hi Nora'' at 7:16 is terrifying

[@moue-x]

Why ?

[@tijiji2826]

Ellie breathes fans: oh my god she is so badass

[@moue-x]

@@tijiji2826 she is

[@tijiji2826]

@@moue-x Ñ

[@freddymeisner]

Doesn’t she do this to countless nameless people over the course of the game anyway

[@rex0998]

Yeah and the wort part is she lets the person who deserves it the most get away

[@DwEARNEROFFICIAL]

این بازی یه کس شره به تمام معناست. شاید کارگردان بازی اون پیطی که جامعه ی شما لایقش بوده رو ساخته ، جالب تر اینکه متا ۹۵ گرفته این یعنی فاجعه یعنی در اینده بیشتر و بیشتر از این بازی های فاجعه ساخته خواهد شد.

[@edifrcovski2282]

How dare you say nameless!

[@trial_with_an_error9687]

This one was female and black. Therefore trauma...fucks sake this game is trash.

[@parsashirali8957]

xDavooDx دمت گرم حرف دلمو زدی

[@mskiara18]

Nora and Abby's other friends do not know Joel personally, and to share Abby's hatred toward Joel and mock Ellie seems wrong here.

[@poett8875]

I think it’s because Nora and Abby are close friends. So Nora has loyalty towards Abby. I still hate them both tho.

[@Threelives229]

Well All them were once firefiles and Joel killed a fuck ton of them. Nora is Abby's friend and Joel killed Abby's father. Not to mention the possibility that Joel probably killed alot of their neutral friends who were fireflies. It makes sense why they hate him to me.

[@khotunkhan3950]

It is shit story writing That is what I call it

[@liampitcher5586]

When Joel gave away his name to Abby’s group, that was the final straw. Your telling me a survival expert in this post apocalyptic world who is wanted by so many people gives away his name to a random group? Naughty Dog better come out and say it was all a bad dream.

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

@@liampitcher5586 the first game literally engraved this quote "Don't trust anyone"

[@geddoe316]

Joel roughs up one medical station, and the fireflies are gone? Huh?

[@stairmasternem]

. . . He GUNNED DOWN the entire station after Firefly was already hurting.

[@ShahirHameed]

Joel kill the leader and the medical team that was suppose to make the vaccine. Who would be capable leading the group?

[@Threelives229]

They were pretty sparse I think anyways by that point. What remained left of the U.S. military was hunting them down. I can believe that the vestiges of their organization was in Salt Lake City, and that was pretty much it.

[@ivandusakdiks3658]

I thought that hospital was their base. I mean the leader was there and a bunch of other dudes.

[@AllThings_Gaming-c1m]

Musicfacter Somehow and somewhere the military, the government have vanished and stopped fighting the fireflies

[@thenit3vision]

At 4:06 one of WLF was wondering why the power was on at the lower levels. It's Abby who turned the power on when she was at ground zero. At 6:06 you start hearing loud screaming from Rat King and Abby.

[@MaryLab2930]

THANK YOU i was looking for this comment

[@LudiHunter11]

Isn't it the clickers we are hearing at 6:06? 🤔

[@miegaan9087]

at 8:30

[@pyrexbutt962]

ohmygod what a detail jdnfksz

[@ahgksi]

Nope. My guess is the right time for the Rat king' scream is 8:28

[@Extreme96PL]

8:52 notice how Ellie lowers her head and start moving her hand on pipe when Nora starts to talk that Joel killed alot of people in hospital in TLOU1. Ellie is so focused and blinded by revenge that she dont even try to listen any arguments even that Nora actually is right here awesome acting and details.

[@princessthyemis]

that's amazing!

[@Luke-vf6qc]

Abby never even bothered to hear Ellie's side of the story. Why should Ellie care? Lmao

[@Extreme96PL]

@@Luke-vf6qc as Abby was blinded by revenge as well, and even after Joel is killed, it can be seen that it brought her neither peace nor pleasure. When Joel killed everyone in the hospital, he sort of sealed their fate with his death, Abby wanting revenge and losing everyone to it, and Ellie wanting revenge and losing everyone to it. The whole story is that there are no bad or good people, there are only different sides, and unhealthy obsessions are bad and can end badly for people.

[@Luke-vf6qc]

@@Extreme96PL You're one of the mature people I actually come across. Good comment tho

[@EXEcosmoman20]

@@Extreme96PL but abbys is unjustified given what her father did, joel only reacting to such in defence to killing him, fireflies never giving ellie a choice, and the fireflies wernt good people.

[@parth281995]

People who are claiming that even Joel killed people aren't looking at the bigger picture. He did not kill for revenge. He killed to save Ellie. He killed to save the only thing that gave meaning to his life, he even says it in the previous game. On top of that, Joel saves Abby. He is then attacked by her and her entire crew. Abby is a coward. Joel killed every Firefly in that Hospital alone. Abby shoots the man who saves her while her entire crew is around her and then tortures him. Joel did not torture her father. He killed him because he was in his way. The fact that this sadistic coward tortures and kills the man who saved her shows that she is driven by hate and she was already an evil person. She kills and tortures because she can. She was going to kill Dina who she knew was pregnant. Joel, at the end of the day, was a good man. Abby is a cowardly sadist. Take all that LGBTQ agenda out and the picture gets crystal clear.

[@ECW5320]

Not to mention the fact that the WLF were at war with the Seraphites; last thing they needed was another one, but Abby was only thinking about herself. She started another war by killing Joel and made every person in that room part of Ellie's rage. Fuck Abby and her phony mental problems.

[@madratter7031]

Did you even play TLOU, Joel time and time again shows he's a terrible human being. And then you make it about her being a coward, what kind of chivalry bullshit are you talking about?

[@WackyWahooGuy]

Sucicdal Pepe friendly reminder that Joel, the person who you say is a “terrible human being” not only risked his life to save Ellie, but also was going to willingly try to hold a group of soldiers with Tess, even when he knew she was infected, survived with Henry and Sam, and treat Henry as if he was his friend (two black people btw). I don’t where you got that idea, but Joel is not a bad person, in a world where no one trust each other, he not only showed that he cared for those that he found, but that he had the guts to try and save them, even if it meant risking his life

[@johngreenwood4370]

You're so naive if you think Joel is a good person, and if think there is an "LGBTQ agenda" that clouds peoples' judgments. Joel, like everyone else, acts selfishly. Joel killed and ruined a dozen innocent families to save Ellie for his OWN selfish needs, which Ellie was against, and risked potentially developing a vaccine as well. He has done terrible things in the past we don't know about, and he wasn't against running over and distrusting that bandit in the first game. Abby is a horrible person, too, but you're acting like she did nothing good, like betraying her team to save innocent children with whom she bonded, *just like Joel did with Ellie.* And you're forgetting that Ellie would readily torture people to fulfill her revenge, despite already killing over a hundred people in the WLF community. And Abby didn't know Dina was pregnant, she spared Dina after realizing she was pregnant. At the end of the day, Joel was a terrible man, as was Abby, and Ellie too, just slightly less so. Stop clutching onto your idea that Joel and Ellie are good people, because they're not. They're emotionally driven, selfish, illogical people living in a post-apocalyptic world, and Abby is no different. Joel and Abby are very similar, but you people keep trying to justify everything about Joel by cherry picking what you look at.

[@malemyensenbam7978]

@@johngreenwood4370 ohh so u think this story is good then. So u r fine with joel's death ??

[@Tamashii2004]

Fun fact, when she asked wheres abby, you can hear a roar and a couple of gun shots. Abby was fighting the rat king during this time

[@kamentrainerhorn2073]

So close, yet so far...

[@sophia7425]

me waiting for you to press square: 👁👄👁

[@Yusei5ds0707]

Why are they giving an option to press a button, when it doesn't make any difference if I press it or not?

[@geddoe316]

It's elementary level psychology. You the player shouldn't want to kill her, but they force you the player to kill her, so you "feel" bad like ellie. It's stupid, yes

[@olacomoestasuwu7726]

@@geddoe316 In this case, nobody wants not kill her

[@supernaturalspace4790]

@@geddoe316 oh trust me all the players want to kill her

[@sohoml2935]

@@geddoe316 why wouldn't I want to kill Nora? She participated in killing Joel. Im pretty sure the square prompts are there so it feels like you the player are involved with killing Nora along with Ellie not to feel bad for nora

[@isviewer]

e m o t i o n

[@wylser]

You should clip the start where you aimlessly move about and as a result, fail. Kills the mood and pacing.

[@ToploadedGaming]

I dont know if you are unfamiliar with TLOU or not, but obviously he was making sure there was nothing findable before exiting, can it be clipped, sure. But it wasn’t without reason is all I’m saying. Probably footage from a first play-through.

[@dojetunes]

Honestly made the game even more laughable

[@wylser]

@@ToploadedGaming I'm familiar with the game (both the first and second) but it is a reasonable assumption that Naughty Dog wouldn't put any collectible before the start of a chase sequence. As an example, in the first game as well when the Tank chased Joel, there wasn't any collectible in the vicinity either. Regardless, experiment all you want but clip/edit it out of the uploaded video.

[@mattluna8016]

Or maybe buy the game yourself and play to your liking if it's such a problem.

[@blondeboi2132]

"mood and pacing" bro...

[@theOfcStranger]

8:30 here, we can hear abby with rat king Boss fight 😂

[@thehumanpractice2985]

i was wondering that. It really does sound like that Godzilla shit

[@noonecares5381]

THATS SO COOL

[@thehumanpractice2985]

@R3TR0 30 huh maybe it was the rat king. I mean, I think I heard that SFX here and there anyway. Cool catch

[@MurdaHeWrote]

i think it’s metal creaking because i’ve heard it at other times

[@jellyslopefall572]

4:08- the soldier confused about the power is good detail as well. It’s on because Abby turned on the generator in the area of the hospital she was in

[@suppercharge1]

Kills thousands of people but gets traumatized by one. Great writing

[@dikastederook6380]

Logic!

[@realhamonwry8620]

It's not about how many people she's killed, Dingus Khan. It's about the fact she's losing her humanity and is beginning to indiscriminately kill others.

[@jimmybrooks5902]

@@realhamonwry8620 look at how she does that. And think about whether Nora deserved it. I have eaten countless stakes, doesn't mean I would be okay with personally going ro the slaughterhouse and killing my meat.

[@suppercharge1]

@@realhamonwry8620 I'll tell you since you're less developed brain didn't understand. where was Humanity when last of us, the original was out. Why didn't Joel lose his mind when killing all those people to save Ellie. Take that bullshit logic somewhere else since you couldn't apply it to the first game.

[@sohoml2935]

@@suppercharge1 Joel has lost humanity through out the 20 year span between the proluage and the first mission of TLoU1. Did you not play the first game? He definitely was not the same person before the apocalypse

[@itode8938]

8:27 I wonder if that was the rat king Abby was fighting. At the same time she said "Where's Abby?".

[@myriad8076]

When she said “i can make it quick, or i can make it, so. Much. Worse“ it gave me some bad chills

[@PreciousPayne-i5k]

Yea love that line

[@callmev3531]

From her perspective I guess, Joel was a monster that destroyed mankind's chance at stopping the infection and her friend just avenged everyone who has suffered because of his choices. While the story may be lacking, its an interesting detail that everyone in the story in some way has a point of view that one could understand, even if the character's themselves aren't as likable or compelling.

[@danielwithane911]

it wasn't just morality because "there is no cure anymore", he straight-up killed every leader position in the fireflies and destroyed them from the inside. Everyone of Abby's friends and other people too lost their closed ones, their community and their life. It's not just because of the cure.

[@RaciouS91]

Yes . 1 person vs humanity. Think wisely

[@BigTendy]

Ellie kinda forgot that she killed 100 people before killing Nora.

[@frazierfox5586]

She tortured her. She killed people but they were quick or sorta of quick. But this one you feel like you’re losing yourself because you’re making someone suffer.

[@MajinRose17]

Its a videogame. u kill npc henchmen like every other game in existence. What do u people want/expect? 😂

[@timsonss]

@@MajinRose17 yeah and they arent canon kills, cuz you can go full stealth and avoid everyone

[@user-pi1lb4tf2f]

@@MajinRose17 Nope, in most games that involved stealth, killing is only an option since they will give a chance to employ non-lethal tactics instead except for the primary targets. But in this case, TLOU doesn't really have a knockout option.

[@SlimKim3]

You mean the writers forgot.

[@boketto4714]

So for the people saying “Ellie killed hundreds of people and this is what shakes her up?” You have to understand, the people she killed had no names. If she thought about them, there would be no face for a name. Eli knew Nora’s name, she knew exactly what she had come for. She had a, sort of bond with this character.

[@BustyNutz]

What are you an English teacher lmfao bond she held her down while they beat up her dad that's all she knows piss poor storytelling

[@Enya_artist]

@@BustyNutz Not really. Even when you hate someone, torturing someone is bound to make you feel guilty. As they said, everyone else she was killing had no name no face in her mind, she knew Nora, even though she hated her, she knew her. If you were to have to shoot a random man, or shoot your childhood bully, it would take more of a toll to kill the bully, even though they were cruel to you. Its someone you still knew, even if you hated them, you still knew them, and thats a guilt that follows. This was great storytelling, but you may take whatever take on it you choose.

[@Cartman4wesome]

Not only that, but those kills were mainly about survival. Torturing a person that had no way in harming you isn’t. Feeling like you are losing your humanity can fuck someone up.

[@MultiKbarry]

You do realize they implemented an entire system to give random NPCs names as you fight so that point is moot.

[@MultiKbarry]

@@Cartman4wesome This wasn’t even torture proper. If it was proper torture she would have let the infection take its process until Nora breaks and wants the swift death.

[@MigsXL]

I don't know what angers me more. That this death wasn't used for Abby, or the fact that Ellie killed so many people to get to Abby, only to let her go.

[@solt635]

What's worse is she didn't even get anything from Abby's friends to get to Abby. It was all pointing a gun to interrogate them only to shoot them down not getting any information at all aside from fucking trauma.

[@MajorWrestlingSyndicate]

the story went over your head she learned how to forgive abby in the midst of drowning her

[@MajorWrestlingSyndicate]

and i mean abby already got fucking destroyed no point in killing her and turning into someone she isn’t i won’t lie ellie definitely went on a rage mode but i can understand when you want something so bad and you finally get you then know it wasn’t worth it

[@nintendogamer75]

Tbh I felt like Abby got an even worse punishment than death. Lost her father, all her friends, faction, dog, trust, buffness after being tortured for two months, all she had left was Lev. Does Lev even know that she once tortured a man? Even Lev might hate her one day, and she knows it. I feel like Ellie killing Abby would've just set Abby free and hurt Lev worse than it could Abby. Lev would've died from no one helping him, or if he somehow survived without Abby, the cycle would've continued and he would've gone after Ellie. Although, I will admit. If Ellie didn't free Abby off the beach, and Abby was stuck helplessly watching Lev die of starvation while she was stuck there alone after his death...... probably even worse.

[@adampolak6358]

Ellie wasn’t killing them just to get to Abby though-she was killing them bc she thought killing Abby would make her pain about Joel end. Then she realized it wouldn’t. Also, it’s not like Abby got off easy. Ellie murdered all her friends & then Abby got enslaved and tortured. I don’t understand the anger. Would killing Abby really have been a satisfying ending to you?

[@SHIkun9000]

When Nora says "I hear them every night", I think she means her Firefly friends that Joel killed, not Joels screams. Thats why she calls Joel a little bitch, he caused her the same pain Ellie is feeling.

[@AimForMyHead81]

Lol, I don't recall any fireflies screaming when I killed them in the first game.

[@crazybabuskaman3923]

The perspectives of all the characters in this game is what creates coherent character development. It's fucking insane how the story went over so many peoples heads which leads to the hate.

[@bmn1326]

@@crazybabuskaman3923 they expected a fairy tale and got a grim, depressing, narrative with depth, complexity and a lot of food for thought. This game has exceptional stortelling that I have previously only witnessed in literature, but so many people just... dont see it that way. Sadly.

[@Notme-255]

​@@bmn1326 no, people expected to get the game they paid for. People wanted to play a sequel with Ellie and Joel, the trailers literally advertise it as Ellie and Joel. You shouldn't be surprised when people are disappointed that what was advertised is not what they got. Mix that with a lot of bland new characters and stupid character decisions. I went in knowing about it and have been enjoying it but it's definitely not as great as the fans of the game say.

[@mafikdew78]

​@@bmn1326the story was trash kid

[@dom-ru5cc]

Nora: *runs out of the room screaming for help* Ellie: *searches room for collectables*

[@disco4535]

How is it possible TLOU2 can be so awful compared to the first one? It's like 2 different franchises

[@menzoznem]

I am not sure. I thought another person co-wrote the last of us 1 with Neil Druckman so maybe that why? (edit: Druckmann did solely write the last of us, but Bruce Straley was lead director allthough Druckmann directed too) Additionally, the idea of the first game was a father losing his daughter. After being filled with hatred for over 20 years he is forced on a journey with a teenage girl. That is a good fucking foundation to build on man. They couldn't really go further with that as Joel sort of started getting over the death of his daughter. Now they have some revenge story which you can't do as much with. Still how you can fuck up THIS badly is beyond me man.

[@sohoml2935]

@@menzoznem nah Neil Druckmann wrote the first game by himself he was he sole writer and story director

[@khotunkhan3950]

@@sohoml2935 I think is the awful woman who ruins games

[@OldMusicHeaven]

@@sohoml2935 nope Bruce straley was the game director Neil was creative director they both had a hand in writing it.

[@m4stro118]

Joaquin Febles let’s not forget the amazing amy hennig

[@micahmachtdaswurstchen7688]

Ellie: *Heavily breathing

[@vann9253]

imagine he was asleep when it asked him to press square

[@ghxstliey4816]

I’m just gonna deny that the game exists

[@travisghilonijr475]

Me too. Only the flashbacks are real to me

[@kiavashasadi8687]

Yeah me too

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

I'm just gonna pretend that tlou doesn't have a sequel

[@codlover93love24]

How is it a bad game tho

[@kiavashasadi8687]

@@codlover93love24 when the story is dogshit it's called a bad game....simple as that

[@DagothDaddy]

Jesus this is 14 year old writing first D&D campaign levels of bad.

[@MystikMonK-d1k]

Tbh the voice acting is good, still a shit story.

[@brandonemmanuel3405]

@ayaan bazaz AND guess what, the story is the pivot of this game

[@thealexgundam5006]

@ayaan bazaz oh yes it is lol

[@SpectralLuna6277]

And they give all the budget and resources to creat the prettiest and shinniest shit of a game.

[@DanielGonzalez-xu1hi]

ayaan bazaz Oh its wayyyyyyyyy worse than anyone thought it would be

[@clearlydc]

Ellie acts like she has never heard of supressors before when meeting nora

[@KiKiChamp123]

When Ellie said she could make it so much worse, I kinda like how she didn’t say it with an aggressive tone. I like this because it kinda shows Ellie’s out of her mind right now. Her revenge quest is making her do things she would never normally do. It’s like as if she wants Nora to just spill the beans and just tell Ellie Abby’s location. Ellie is scared to torture Nora because she doesn’t know if she’ll be the same person ever again. That’s just my opinion.

[@NGRevenant]

Am I supposed to feel bad for any of these people? Because I don't

[@LimeyFella]

@KitchensAreHot Well Joel and Tommy both have been said to do even worse things back in the day...

[@jackdijamco9499]

oh yeah yeah dude what. Your comment makes no sense

[@NGRevenant]

@@LimeyFella well no shit that's why they're still alive, it's an apocalypse not a sunday picnic. it's not really comparable to risking a whole group of people for some silly revenge mission when humanity is just starting to regain ground.

[@noonecares5381]

milkinaction NOPE :D

[@jackdijamco9499]

@@NGRevenant I feel bad for Nora. Going on a mission you don't really care about just to support your friends, then getting brutally beaten and killed because you were there. fuck...

[@SuRoFo]

I get why Ellie was shook. She found out Nora was ex-Firefly and it reminded her of Joel's lie, making her mission to avenge him a little murky.

[@justinherrera2159]

Yeah but people are too emotionally attached to the characters and cant see anything from anyone else's perspective

[@Luke-vf6qc]

Ok now you're just making up bullshit to make Joel look like a villain again. She was shook coz she tortured someone for the first time. Pay attention to the details LMAO

[@Ishbikes]

@@Luke-vf6qcno, he’s right.

[@Luke-vf6qc]

@@Ishbikes He's wrong. Ellie literally was in shock while Dina was comforting her. Ellie said "I made her talk". Coz she tortured someone for the very first time

[@BingleFlimp]

Honestly the whole "Everyone does bad things in desperate times" is lost on me since everything in the second game is a result of something that Joel did which is pretty justifiable in contrast to the pretty vile things he did in the early days of the virus. The guy takes a girl to a paramilitary organisation because they say they can make a cure but then knock her out and then plan to kill her to make the vaccine and just expect him to be okay with it. If they had actually asked her then it'd be different but now everyone's getting pissy that a guy wouldn't let what he saw as his daughter get killed by a shady paramilitary organisation without her consent.

[@asifhossain8363]

Nothing says a good vaccine for a fungus infection amirite

[@mep15067]

Oh thank God someone who understood the moral complexities of the first game. I felt like I was going insane in these comments reading the interpretations of people who are getting an almost fetishist glee at watching the characters in this game be violently murderd or tortured

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

Not to mention that Joel's decision was supposed to be questionable for the sake of interpretation. This game goes out of its way to say "Fuck that, he was just wrong"

[@humansadness3749]

@@mep15067 literally, watching ellie and joel talk abt what they'll do after the vaccine is made and then not even letting her wake up to say bye or say its okay? when she wakes up in the car, she doesn't even know that they made it there.

[@jhenmoran2]

She was unconscious. And since Joel brought her there it kind of seems like they both should have known that was the most logical outcome.

[@alyssarussell145]

Ellie: “I don’t want to lose you.” Bruh you made sure of that :/

[@curtisgeist9307]

Is traumatized by killing someone who is directly involved in Joel's death, is not traumatized by killing a score of people that had nothing to do with it. This game's story is spotty at best.

[@ericmoralesgomez6513]

It's like the first game. When Joel's in trouble she stabs the human enemies, but when she shot the hunter she felt guilty. And in left behind when she killed infected. Don't tell me that it's different because it's infected, because most people wouldn't do it, you won't be able to kill an infected because they look too human

[@thelongertheiconofsinisone6570]

When Ellie said “she’s hiding out here in this Aquarium” I was like “HELL YEAH!!! WE’RE GOIN’ TO THE AQUARIUM!!!”

[@spinylightgaming]

Lets be honest shes traumatized bc of joels death. Regret, guilt and the sound of a metallic blunt object reminding her of how joel died.

[@gandalfhan]

The way Ellie can’t believe she tortured someone at 13:09 and as well as her facial expressions. Damn, amazing acting on Ashley’s part.

[@princejustin937]

Revenge is a fool game -Arthur Morgan

[@SawYouDie]

Ahh Arthur 🌹

[@lamorrafierro2573]

R.I.P Arthur Morgan ❤️

[@hamadahmed5415]

This path you walk , vengeance you will not find peace in it -Kratos

[@ezraelreynolds3442]

@@hamadahmed5415 ZEUSSSS

[@davidprekop1703]

Dude, i said the same thing in another vid, lmaoooo

[@lucielblade5498]

10:23 The Joker: I like this girl!

[@kingkwon8002]

Abby: Then you’ll love me! *Bites off fingers*

[@Hahaa99]

Jason Todd : .......

[@Ricky911_]

I mean, he would automatically have to love Jason Todd after that considering he's done even worse shit.

[@andrei2362]

"I'm not giving up anything for my friend." Wow Nora really tried to play the loyal hero only to bitch out after three swings.

[@until.davis.]

she was still alive

[@Luke-vf6qc]

​​@@until.davis.She went out like a p*ssy

[@t-beezy1036]

So Ellie killed Nora so satisfying but didn’t want kill Abby the same way👌🏽

[@JV-yq7dx]

I wasn’t totally satisfied with Nora’s death, we watch her pistol whip tommy, hold down Ellie as see watches Joel die, calls Joel a little bitch, only to get an offscreen death.

[@thebatman68]

We saw her coughing

[@Gan3eL]

Here's breaking news: in real life usually people are not satisfying when they torture or drown helpless people

[@thelegendofthedogfacedwoma3708]

@@Gan3eL Here's breaking news: videogames are not real life and they're nowhere near realistic enough to trick people into thinking they are, and the pursuit of graphics is the most vapid understanding of reality possible. So people see these inhuman bits of data spitting out recorded lines and don't prescribe humanity to them and thus react to them with far more hostility when they upset the player.

[@t-beezy1036]

MIND...of..._*VoralberG*_ But it’s ok for another person or group of people to torture and brutally beat a father to death with a gold club 👌🏽😐

[@RaySwank225]

When Ellie is trying to find Nora in the hospital you can hear distant gunshots and screams and growls from Abby fighting the super bloater in the basement.

[@until.davis.]

rat king*

[@Tetsuo2k]

Such a painful scene. The acting and animation work is incredible.

[@renwulf1695]

9:15-10:20 That face you make when mommy and daddy says "no you can't have desert before dinner."

[@aprilhenry3501]

I was literally laughing so hard at that part. Lmao

[@AGermanwithaMG42]

A N G E R

[@t3knyn]

I remember playing this part of the game and seeing Ellie in her element was just awesome tbh. We know she's immune but we've never seen it displayed besides the bite on her forearm. I got caught off guard with the chase scene too 😂 Good stuff bro, great vid.

[@Klynch111]

Iirc we have parts of the first game where Ellie walks among spores with no mask on? And also earlier in this game don't we see Joel telling her to wear a mask around others so that they don't know she's immune?

[@whoisyouranime]

I think the aftermath of Nora's death was interesting to me. It is because it's obvious that Ellie regretted doing what she did. All she wanted was Abby and I think killing Nora made her realize that she is becoming someone that she does not want to be, a cold blooded killer.

[@justsomeguy747]

I recently played through this part. It seems that as you guys said, that the mashing sequence is meant to symbolise that Ellie is losing herself. She is completely losing herself for anger, hatred and frustration, some of which is in part of her broken relationship with Joel. It was utterly manifested in her quest for revenge. Ellie went on this rampage because it was the one thing that primarily kept her going. She killed Nora, a person involved in Joel’s death, and realises that killing her didn’t make her feel better and that she is becoming more of who she isn’t. Yes, Ellie brutally killed David, but she was justified because he was psychically trying to kill her, and Nora was defenceless and would have turned. She killed Nora and it didn’t give her the release she sought.

[@randomhero456]

8:29 the combination of the Rat King’s roar in the background and them not reacting to it is fucking creepy.

[@Muska160]

I mean when you live in a world like Tlou I wouldn’t be bothered by anything like that anymore

[@until.davis.]

well 1 of them is trying to get information and the other is literally dying so why would they care

[@Liam-dd9vx]

These 12 hours of playing with Ellie are some of the best I've ever had in gaming No game has made me feel the way this one had

[@catb1827]

don’t understand all the hate, i flew through the part with ellie and felt so much

[@Klynch111]

Tlou2 is a frigging masterpiece. Gameplay on it is probably some of the best I've ever played, the fighting mechanics, the seemless change from gameplay to cut scenes.

[@KaneK1234]

This is the most pretentious grim-dark nihilistic teenage tumblr writing I have *EVER* witnessed.

[@cytrex1o1]

Right

[@radegast2346]

Nice pfp Willard

[@TheHalogen131]

Good summary.

[@scrufs]

Curious how would you think writing this scene would be better? Since this scene is intended to make the players feel bad like Ellie does for torturing someone. Is there any way to write this better lmao?

[@greengabe3970]

I honestly feel like the ellie segments are the only good parts in the game

[@sl00n13]

if the game was solely focused on Ellie it would be better by far

[@Literallyryangosling777]

@Kyel ! abby isn't a antogonist, thr game try the player to like abby but failed

[@tabeatamm3594]

@@Literallyryangosling777 They didn't fail for me. I love Abby. 🤗

[@juniormphahlele9053]

@@tabeatamm3594 I came into the game with an open mind and I do love the museum flashback for Ellie, and the Nest along Haven for Abby. I like both of them as characters.

[@bjakeijzer]

They're really cool. But I think enjoy the Abby-section a bit more.

[@lorenzocampion9081]

the game is so good emotionally talking, that it gets inside your mind and makes u live the life the character is living, this is personally my favorite scene of the game

[@TimtheEnchanterOfYoutube]

Remember: Nora was just tortured by Isaac, one of the most feared torturers and evil dudes in the whole game, and she didn't say to him where abby was. They even specifically said "Isaac went specially rough on Nora" However, she did say it to Ellie. Ellie broke her in ways Isaac never could. That's why she's fucking traumatized after doing it.

[@aidan4028]

i believe they said isaac was rough on Mel, the pregnant nurse, not nora.

[@abendroid]

What is the point of that square button prompt if you can't even make a choice.

[@jordanvillers832]

Psychology, every game does this

[@jason.h.zager88]

not all games are about having choices..it's about "doing it"

[@screamforedits1645]

@@jordanvillers832 pls explain

[@smudgy264]

I played through this part last night and i gotta say when i first entered the room, said 'Hi, Nora.' then locked the door behind me it felt SO satisfying to hear her say 'oh god' in fear.

[@DanielGonzalez-xu1hi]

Seriously if there is actually someone who thinks this story was good then you have no idea what makes a great story. This story is just terrible

[@dany4645]

Yeah i mean, they destroyed the franchise, completely .The fame of this game is based on its story, why did they do such a shitty job with this?I'm so disappointed

[@macho-zb9rc]

The way they handled the story was pretty bad yeh but the idea doesn't sound so bad.. Basically what they showed is that revenge is a fool's game

[@virtualboygodot8251]

It feels like they saw Game Of Thrones and thought "man, everyone loves this and they kill off important characters all the time, I bet if we do the same, everyone will love our stuff!" It's like they don't understand why killing characters is effective. They don't set it up in a meaningful way, they do it for shock value. If I wanted that, I would go on live leak. I could get a more impactful and cheaper experience that way

[@veritty6828]

Everyone: Killing Joel like that was an awful idea, how can this game get any worse??? Naughty Dog: Say no more fam

[@mostafaahmedibrahim2541]

I think you guys just don't get it joel wasn't a Saint he did some bad shit and some of that shit caught up to him ellie is no different from abby they are both seeking revenge which ends in countless deaths for both sides in the end the cycle is broken by ellie leaving abby to go resulting in peace

[@PurpleColonel]

The best part of any good revenge movie is actually getting to see the bastards die in horrible ways.

[@LimeyFella]

Only if you're insane

[@alluringskull2133]

You can hear the rat king’s roar while ellie says: where is abby. That’s the moment abby fights rat king That’s so cool

[@gameraj9536]

And some a$$h@les say it's lazy writing

[@jellyslopefall572]

The people who complain about ‘lazy writing’ in this game are liars. They only hate the game because of Joel

[@g2nelson15]

@@jellyslopefall572 I can confirm after all these months, Joel’s death still hurts but the details and gameplay is still amazing.

[@crazybabuskaman3923]

@@jellyslopefall572 I'm literally playing it now for the first time and I love the story so fucking much. I just finished killing Nora. Abby has all reasons to kill Joel, he literally killed her father, and stopped them from making a vaccine. While neither her, Ellie or Joel are good people, their development is insane. Abby and Ellie have insane character development throughout the game from what I heard. Ellie is already showing signs of PTSD, I have to see Abby develop.

[@Crovius]

Ellie should have let Nora live just to suffer by turning into one of the infected. That's a fate much worse than death imo

[@rony9352]

I mean she won’t feel anything once she is turned so

[@johnwinchesterp2963]

No I think it was less evil that way. She would die anyway so ellie gave her the choice to either die quickly if she talked or die slowly and agonizing. She chose the latter and since I believe she eventually talked ellie probably ended it after she got what she wanted.

[@areallymeanperson]

I wouldve just hit her enough to where she would only feel pain then wait til she either turns infected or dies of blood loss

[@Moongazer980]

@@rony9352 the person is still kind of in there up until the clicker stage I think

[@randomglitch843]

So they can show how Joel....suffers but none of these women...wow

[@charly1711]

Its the duality of action games-movies. You want female protagonists but you can't show them getting destroyed as badly as a male. Remeber endgame? How Thanos made Thor and Captain America walking deads but as soon as Captain Marvel appeared they started with the lasers and the "soft" treatment.

[@Gan3eL]

They don't actually show us how Joel suffers, you know. Only his messed up body before the final strike

[@laneanderson898]

@@Gan3eL She shot him in the knee with a twelve gauge, and brained him with a golfclub....

[@Rihcterwilker]

They did Joel dirty.

[@juancarlosrodriguezKFP]

8:30 I heard that sound in the background is the rat king's roar as Abby fights it

[@michaelh4227]

1:34 When you want to chase someone down, but also have OCD and want to check every nook and cranny.

[@Guccimustard]

Nora: “iM nOT GIviNG uP mY fRiEnD” Me: _aight bet_ *_BONK_*

[@aidalf1912]

7:15 The most badass "hi" I've ever heard

[@lucasrhys0363]

Everyone asking why they didn’t show her die, that wasn’t the point of the scene. All we needed to see was Ellie’s reaction to it, because that was all that was relevant to the story.

[@LudiHunter11]

Exactly ! I was about to write the same thing. Ellie's reaction is important in that scene. Not to see Nora dying.

[@TheHeretic1919]

Dude waiting on that square button is like me waiting for Goku to go Super Sayain 3

[@Graveyard-Senpai]

Nora: "I'm not giving up my friend" (Bonk) Ellie: "She's hiding out in this aquarium" What an unexpected turn of events

[@timsonss]

Ellie: *Kills pregnant lady* Ellie: whatever Ellie: *About to kill Abby* Ellie: Sorry no

[@timsonss]

@KitchensAreHot yeah, Its just a joke

[@Satan-jh9ww]

Nero Pasta a bad joke

[@timsonss]

@@Satan-jh9ww yea I know :)

[@HughBurgessSinger]

4:05 the power is on cause Abby turned it on below and is fighting the Rat King. You can hear it’s scream at 8:26 on a second playthrough

[@surrealdrumz]

at 8:30 i think you can start hearing the rat king that you fight as abby