The Last of Us Part II Spoilers Discussion & Copyright Abuse! - Angry Rant!

[@ray24051]

"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” - George R.R. Martin

[@zeon5061]

I've never seen a situation more fitting for this quote.

[@cheetoortiz2361]

Who?

[@robm6645]

Speaking of good stories that got ruined by hack writers trying to make dumb points...

[@zeon5061]

@@robm6645 good burn.

[@BloodyDIMISIS55]

wait i know that quote but it came from Grrm? ha interesting i thought it was some ancient philosopher

[@ThorusDGI]

I remember an interview back in the days, where someone asked Neil Druckmann if there is going to be TLOU2, and Druckman replied : "No, Joels and Ellies Story is completed. There won't be a sequel!" . I really wish he would've listened to himself.

[@loyalist1326]

Me to 😔

[@TheGrandSilence]

I wonder when he decided to simply butcher the two instead and why

[@gabrielrodriguez4411]

Lol they say anything to get on the fans good side and look good to the suits, it's nothing personal just business, still sucks ass but I'm not surprised anymore....fallout 76 was a wake up call

[@polygon4092]

At the end of the day ND is a company owned by Sony. Made sense to make a sequel bec it means $$$

[@stevienguyen2047]

Too bad he got greedy and became SJW.

[@American-Templar]

"Revenge is a fools game" -Arthur Morgan

[@bryceicle6775]

james61985 *Fools Errand

[@Gadfly818]

ACKSHUALLLYYYY that was him quoting his inspiration and roll model, Dutch Van Der Linde

[@chavalomiguel5587]

@@bryceicle6775 dnarre sloof

[@baronvonbunghole5999]

@@Gadfly818 That's a funny thing for Dutch to say, given his insatiable hard-on for vengeance against like 3 different people.

[@echos9536]

Bryce Gastelum he didn’t fuck up the quote, why are you trying to correct him

[@benzzodude]

Every time I was playing as Abby and got killed by Ellie, I was happy.

[@Kakarot803]

Hahaha 😁

[@normabatista1472]

It's a great game

[@AB-qc3qe]

That should be the ending. Ellie shoots Abby and brutally murders her *Rolls credit* This is for Joel.

[@HypocriteHunter666]

Smart Dude Directed by NOT Neil Druckmann

[@AB-qc3qe]

SpecialForce_ _117 nah, if it was not directed by Neil Cuckman then we wouldn’t have gotten a revenge plot at all.

[@patrickdeprisco9894]

Remember Abby is the daughter of that one surgeon that stops you from taking Ellie, remember that guy? That nameless, faceless character that has no meaning whatsoever that you have to kill to progress through the game.

[@matthewleefriend]

Now I finally don't feel gulit for burning that guy to a crisp with a flamethrower

[@mazrimtaim3107]

wow how deep 😐

[@coolusername9077]

We get the touch of realism they put on these games, but basing the second game’s plot over this code junk, irrelevant, expendable NPC asset who nobody give a shit dying, that’s straight bullshit, over the top and irrelevant. Adds nothing to the story and goes from a “realistic” level to a bullshit level. Ffs naughtydog, they did really pulled this one out of their ass.

[@dannemannen18]

Did you have to kill the surgeon? I remember that I didn't kill any of them but maybe Joel kills one in a cutscene?

[@matthewleefriend]

@@dannemannen18 It's necessary for you to kill the surgeon or else you can't progress

[@ghostaizen3499]

Do you remember the days when everyone was excited about this game.

[@Flash-me4gz]

Yes, It Turned Into Shit

[@mattp6089]

Pepperidge Farm remembers....

[@cineastik8220]

SquidBag: Me as well!

[@t0talimm0rtalz]

Everyone still is. Except the morons who like to bitch

[@confusedasian2212]

@t0talimm0rtalz Everyone is excited to see how shit the game is going to be. Because if the predictions are correct, it’s going to be a landmark case in how video games are being ruined by political agendas.

[@chaseallen1235]

"the leaks aren't true!"- Niel druckman god that quote aged poorly

[@overflow5940]

they shot themselves in the foot multiple times, user reviews are out and it's not a good look on the game.

[@alexdavid3339]

@@overflow5940 yeah but those user reviews are just hundreds of people spamming 1/10s. It's not a fair reflection on games at all; and Metacritic will totally take them down.

[@Golami224]

To be fair literally everything besides the story is a 10/10... but yeah for a story based game like tlou that’s the nail in the coffin

[@alexdavid3339]

@@Golami224 again though, that's objective in terms of story. There may be a bunch of people who haven't Played the game claiming the story sucks and it saved them $60; but there are plenty of people who have played the game and called the story amazing and thought provoking. I feel like people just need to actually experience the game personally and not jump the gun with their opinions. Metal Gear Solid 2's story also sounds like a fuck you to the first game out of context; but if you actually play it and understand what the game is trying to say it's a masterpiece.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Holy fuck it truly did lol

[@MinusNoir]

''How many employees do we have now?'' ''Erm ... I'm afraid this is the last of us, Sir.''

[@GreatestHITS26]

MinusNoir good one 😂

[@Darbaz009]

“Erm...I’m afraid this is the last of us, MAMM!

[@savagegiraffe1]

Lol the leak actually came from hacked server

[@vinjass]

- "Sir??!" *grabs a golf club - "It's Ma'am!!"

[@Stei_n]

IT IS MA'AM

[@Channel-gz9hm]

"Kill that NPC" "Okay" "Wow, you killed that NPC. Really makes you think huh?" BRILLIANT

[@dankninja9434]

Me: *takes a non lethal approach the entire game* Game: hey that surgeon drew a shiv on you you gotta kill him Me: ok Game: fucking degenerate

[@Alex-ui8xp]

@@dankninja9434 drew a shiv against a gunman. I'm pretty sure that's a suicide. But no, golfy needs characterization

[@ryleybenson1009]

@@Alex-ui8xp And it was technically self-defense since the dude pulled out the scalpel against Joel first. Joel probably wouldn't have killed him otherwise

[@AlfredoPuente8]

Spec ops: the line

[@bigball6392]

game blames you for character actions

[@Jul-fu4yu]

Sony&nuaghtyDog: It wasn’t a employee that leaked the game. Everyone: Oh who was it? Sony&naughtyDog: idk

[@lightyagami8645]

Everyone : it was an employee Sony and naughty dog : proof and reasoning Everyone : 2 hours of overtime to achieve a product's deadline for less than a year Sony and naughty dog: ohhhhhh I asked for proof Everyone: ............

[@ESFDragxnFistEntertainment]

Lol

[@Tacom4ster]

I applaud the employee for leaking and sticking it to his corporate overlords, take down the Capitalist pigs, Anarchism now

[@someguy-oe4fk]

@@Tacom4ster hopefully you never get employed

[@GodTierAsta]

sorry with the kind of leaks we got, This person who leaked this is a hero!

[@jprectra2699]

Who else came back because the leaks were true. That ending also was way more shittier than joel's stupid death.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

Lol. After murdering 100s who did nothing to ellie she let's the fucker who killed Joel go off Scott free. Oh, and let's abby take a few fingers with her.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@Oddwolf 799 yeah. Many games have done revenge is bad in way better ways. Imo god of war does a good job at showing that without feeling like pandering crap

[@monke5403]

I never even PLAYED last of us 1 but I can just imagine if master chief was killed by some random grunt, this is why gamers need to stop console wars and start fighting against shitty developers/publishers (considering we don’t know if it was naughty dogs faults or someone was forcing them to make some shitty plot lines)

[@nacunacato]

@Oddwolf 799 The revenge cycle works when the two characters are likeable. Ellie went full edgy girl and Abby is an asshole capable of murdering anyone she wants (including a pregnant woman), cicle of revenge doesnt work with these two.

[@THUNDERxX45]

This game made me nauseous

[@jravage77]

If the spoilers weren't real Sony wouldn't be trying to silence and strike everyone.

[@qislegit.donttrustthemedia6232]

I've seen all of the gameplay and cutscenes. They are definitely real...and fucking disgusting

[@Idiodyssey87]

"When you cut out a man's tongue, you don't prove him a liar. You only prove you fear what he might say."

[@robwallaby2189]

Also confirmed they are taken out of context. It's a damm 40 hour story. Also read what Druckman said about it's not fully true.

[@qislegit.donttrustthemedia6232]

@@robwallaby2189 Of course. But no amount of setup makes what we do know good in anyway. Cuckmann, ND and Sony are in full damage control...you can't trust anything they say. Use your eyes.

[@behroztaib2052]

Rob Wallaby Neil dumbass men is a feminist lying piece of shit. He ruined this franchise I will not listen to a damn word he said. I’ve watched all cutscenes and there are a lot. More than enough to be not taken out of context

[@gracecalis5421]

Remember when Neil Druckmann, the self-proclaimed feminist, booted Amy Hennig, the writer of the original UC trilogy, who is a woman? Yeah, screw that guy.

[@Dielawn69]

People like neil are the worst. Because they are the exact opposite of what they preach. I'm definitely not a feminist but I respect a feminist who actually stands by their views a thousand times more then some simp ass bit like Neil who constantly grandstands but is the exact person he's talking shit about.

[@robm6645]

That's what happens when virtue signaling is treated as a substitue for treating people fairly, he can do sleazy corporate power grabs then say it doesn't matter because he supposedly cares about women.

[@KhanhNguyen-lg2qi]

He is a simp.

[@colinjensen8303]

grace calis I’m sure that he definitely fired her because she was a woman and no other reason. 🤦‍♂️

[@Zoochiini]

maybe he fired her for a reason that isnt just because she is a woman? isnt that illegal to just fire someone for being a woman?

[@kevins6567]

They said the first game was about love and part 2 is about hate. Well everyone loves the first game and everyone hates the second. I’d say they succeeded then.

[@bobbybuilder2828]

kevin s I guess they got what they wanted

[@SotaMake]

🤣

[@selimkarayl7823]

I'm curious did they said this years ago when the first game come out or very recently?

[@kevins6567]

Selim Karayıl A while ago after part 2 was announced.

[@davidstinger1134]

Powerful.

[@FarhanKhan-vz2xu]

The spit on us part 2 "Masterfully spits on joel's corpse after bludgeoning him to death" IGN 10/10 MASTERPIECE

[@jacksongibbs8998]

Make that “They spat on us part 2”

[@robogreek3157]

This would be the greatest comment ever if you had said this before you played... Since he LITERALLY GOT SPAT ON....OR SPITTED ...however you say that. Lol

[@normabatista1472]

I still loved the game, I didn't give a shit if a fictional character died

[@eldergod4817]

@@normabatista1472 🤡

[@rubeng370]

Damn, and IGN still gave it a 10!

[@AcestarX]

---> *stab surgeon NPC* *don't stab surgeon NPC* *Abby will remember this*

[@thewanderingartists]

You can't proceed until you kill the surgeon anyway xD

[@panterloart9180]

@@thewanderingartists You actually can, if you shot his hand so he drops his weapon he'll crouch down but still be alive when you leave

[@colinhedges4689]

Imagine if uncharted 5 was about a random henchmen’s kid from uncharted 2 tracking down and killing Nate sully and elena. That’s how stupid this is.

[@thewanderingartists]

@@colinhedges4689 I think they changed the ending, the new trailer hints at Ellie killing Abby, but the leaked gameplay showed us killing Ellie.

[@thewanderingartists]

@@panterloart9180 whoa I had no idea, I thought the cutscene where we kill the doctor is the only ending.

[@adamrichardson6701]

Platinum trophy for tlou: it can’t all be for nothing Platinum trophy for tlou2: it was all for nothing

[@REAPER4536]

Good comment

[@jmb9040]

contemplating on my platinum TLOU trophy recently, this is facts.

[@paintingcube3853]

@@0uttaS1TE It al keeps tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling dooowwwwnnnnn. In your heart of hearts, I know that I've lost everything, eeevvvverrryyythhingg that matters to me, matters in this world. I wish I could turn back time, now the guilt is all mine. UUUgggh, Evangelion better have a good sequel than this thing.

[@khuantru]

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! someone make a trophy image of that comment.

[@iwantgoals1566]

That was cold 🥶.

[@lordofashes2570]

Abbie nearly beats Ellie to death, but stops when Ellie says "Martha", forcing her to realize that she was about to perpetuate the cycle of suffering

[@CasualGamer3960]

Croktor The Dragonborn 😂

[@massmind1795]

Most irritating twist in that fucking movie.

[@akhilr024]

@@massmind1795 That's not the most irritating, the most irritating is fans who try to give u logic in that scene.

[@123hejhej1000]

Hahahah

[@Fibah]

@@akhilr024 Isnt Angry Joe one of those fans? haha

[@jessejamison9516]

The Last of Us 3 should be about Bill from TLoU 1 finding out about Joel's death and going on a rampage to kill Abby and... wait for it... actually kills her.

[@giannismor8496]

Id buy this but billdidnt care enough about Joel to avenge him

[@Altor863]

John Henry lmao you’re the leaker!

[@MakZakk]

Bill didn't give two shits about Joel. Maybe Tommy I would get it.

[@nolandavis1129]

But Transgender Lives Matter.

[@263malice]

People would hate it because Bill is gay.

[@TheGreatPooyah]

All this does is show us that the original Last of Us should’ve been a one and done game

[@ryleybenson1009]

Its ending didn't leave much of an opening for a sequel. It should have ended on a high note like Dead Space should have ended at the end of Dead Space 2

[@Laughy-Flaaffy]

Or they could of, you know, made a good story for the sequel 😅

[@xxx-pliskin-sniper-xxx8538]

Yup, I’m with Joshua, with a bit of effort this could’ve been fantastic. The gameplay looks good, the graphics, animations and acting are top notch. Such a pity, so much potential squandered 😕

[@sunnybaig2961]

I agree

[@TheGravityShifter]

I guess when the director said he wanted the second game be revolved around hate.... he wasn't kidding...

[@warmingwinters3719]

Imagine if Nathan Drake got killed by the prison guard’s mother with a steel beam in Uncharted 4.

[@bingobongo1615]

The Pumpkin King That would actually be a bold decision.

[@DC-hw7fw]

I'd be drinking bleach. :)

[@DC-hw7fw]

With some JD mixed in.

[@Ki_Late]

And you have to play as the prison guard’s mother.

[@ayourmum8521]

Bruh 😂

[@MrObie186]

Saved me 60 bucks, gonna buy Ghost of Tsushima instead.

[@officerminiwheats]

Buy EFT

[@DT25659]

Gonna buy Halo infinite instead

[@vermilionYT77]

buying a racist non diverse game instead of this? smh

[@Calais05]

Chou Papi 😂

[@efseassst7337]

Chou Papi you are a dumb fuck

[@mr.mushroom4917]

Who came here after playing game without being spoiled.

[@263malice]

Yup! I dodged every spoiler and loved the game.

[@smash_pops_4209]

I did, i loved the gameplay the first half of the story except papa Joel, but i hate abbys whole segment and I felt nothing for her even after they tried to make Ellie bad and abby seem good she deserves to die worse then Joel did. Playing abby as half the game is so disrespectful to Ellie and she deserves justice. Even with that said id still buy the game and play threw it. F*** abby if she’s in tlou3 and if Ellie dies and abby doesn’t die rip franchise and naughty dog

[@zeroserve8127]

I didn't get spoiled and lost my breath when Joel died. I kept thinking something was going to happen to stop it. I hated Abby like everyone else and was resistant to playing her and feeling a connection with her. I do not get the hate on this game; I thought it was brilliant. Ellie and Abby are so alike, and when I was fighting Ellie as Abby and Abby as Ellie, I thought the same thing: Please don't make me kill myself. I'd bonded enough with both that I literally didn't know who to root for anymore and killing either felt like killing a part of me. I do wish Ellie could have finished what she started with Joel and go with Abby to the Fireflies to hopefully find another gifted doctor who could make a vaccine and sacrifice herself for the greater good or whatever meaning she felt she could get from that. It would have been the happiest possible ending for her.

[@Aixalld]

i feel bad for people who got spoiled, i stayed away from all spoilers, so the game was a roller coaster of emotions, i really like the game, at first i did not like Abby as she killed joel but she grew on me at the end and i did not want to kill her at the end, i was pressing O to try stop lol, i felt bad, but i'm glad how it ended, i would of liked a more happy ending for ellie but it was good.

[@smash_pops_4209]

zeroserve aixall. I just don’t understand how u could like someone who tortures a man not matter if it was joel or someone else, kills your friend, shot your other friend in the eye, bites 2 of Ellies fingers off, has a knife toward a pregnant womans neck finds out she’s pregnant and says “good” and doesn’t feel bad for killing anyone she actually likes doing. Yet Ellie actually feels pain and guilt after killing people. She is no where close to Ellie in personality maybe in revenge but abby is pure evil even if she save 2 kids. Only reson Dina and Ellie live is because of Lev. No Lev, Dina and Ellie are dead. Stop trying to say she’s good because she plays with a dog and saves a kid because her personality was fucking dark. A person who gets pleasure in killing a pregnant woman is totally fucked up. All she loses is a few friends and live while Ellie is left with nothing they totally shit all over Ellie. The game was suppose to be about Ellie that’s why I avoided spoilers and bought the game For Ellie! what a mistake. Regardless i’d still buy the game and play it again.

[@fujifilm5127]

I can't wait for the Witcher 4 where a ghoul who's dad Gerealt kills rips him and Yennifer apart and then a wacky cross country journey to eat Ciri.

[@georgewillis592]

And the game makes you play as the ghoul to kill them

[@nickj4526]

** gay goul **

[@fujifilm5127]

@@nickj4526 sorry, the ghoul identities as a goblin.

[@alisafnasari7252]

now i get why people are so pissed off - thanks for the analogy

[@ahmeddia0174]

I never played the last of us so I didn't understand why people are pissed off....now I do.

[@oldspiceboi7488]

"Play the game with an open mind." Joel sure was open minded by the end of it.

[@RapnuzeI]

0utta S1TE Oh his mind was open alright😂

[@nutterbutterman8609]

LAMO

[@iwantgoals1566]

That’s not how a hero is supposed to die. 😔

[@kirabate]

Daba dun tss!🥁

[@TheTraveler980]

@@iwantgoals1566 Joel is not a hero. Don't kid yourself.

[@brettistoocoolforschool4476]

I know somebody at Naughty Dog said to “play the game with an open mind.” That’s never a good sign...

[@Murph_gaming]

Voice actor Troy Baker, not an actual employee of Naughty Dog.

[@UNIRockLIVE]

@@Murph_gaming voice actors are employees too my guy

[@joopert]

The voice actor of Joel said that, oh the irony.

[@Murph_gaming]

@@UNIRockLIVE they're more like contractors since they do work for multiple studios.

[@kurjekkolds1489]

I think they meant open cheeks.

[@lillapedi123]

The leaker is a hero for saving us 60 bucks

[@Kronos0999]

Preach!

[@codypeck8932]

100% agree.

[@sararavia3272]

lillapedi123 so true

[@sergiupopescu6505]

And most important, 60$ means a lot in my country

[@adg7147]

Oh you played the whole thing? Cool story bud

[@RealCGH]

Naughty Dog needs to create the "How to ruin a franchise 101" Because the story sounds like it was written by a person who hated the TLOU 1.

[@trentimus5700]

I don’t understand why people feel this way. You haven’t seen the script, you haven’t experienced the story...

[@theguythingy]

Trentimus ive seen the videos where joel gets whacked and his killer beats the shit out of ellie. If theres some shit on my cake, I won’t eat it.

[@fan977]

@@trentimus5700 You will play as Abby after she kills Joel and attempts to kill Ellie (who is now the villian) just because you are Abby which by default makes Ellie the villian. How much more stupid can the story get? Well it does. Ellie almost gets killed but her GF saves her she is also almost killed before Ellie says she is pregnant, to which out beloved protagonist says "Good" and goes for the kill anyway but is stopped by a kid. Not sure that is where it ends but that is most likely furthest point in the story. Joel killed tons of people but some random NPC doctors child is out for killing him and succeeds. This is bad writing. If anything they could have copy pasted Lee Everett's death from TWD Season 1 and it would still make more sense in context of the TLOU Joe prevented a cure for the disease by killing fireflies and he dies because of the very disease he could have cured. Still makes more sense.

[@theinsurance2450]

@@trentimus5700 If I told you that in StarWars: prequels before they came out. That Anakin would kill kids. Twice. One time being even before he join the sith. That the first movie will have one of the most annoying characters ever Jar Jar Binks. That Darth Vader last words in the trilogy would be yelling out no in an old cartoon way. There be terrible dialogue about Anakin talking about sand. Now after hearing all that. And that it is 95% most likely going to be in the movie. That somehow watching the whole thing it's going to be better. What about the Starwars leaks of the rise of Skywalker. Did seeing the movie make that better? How about the leaks of Game of Thrones season 8. Did seeing the whole season 8 make it better? 95% of the time leaks like these are always on point. But fine keep thinking it going to be better. Fools like you are why we keep getting Starwars:TRS, GOT:S8 and now TLOU:2

[@RealCGH]

@@theguythingy I'm one of the few that doesn't give a shit about Abby being trans or a muscular female. But what I'm mad about is that we're literally playing as the person who kills Joel then they gonna make us play as her to try to kill Ellie. If they was gonna do something this stupid at least make it from Ellie's perspective.

[@Pathologyshortbus]

"It's bad fanfiction" Way too true

[@opinionatedcheese8327]

Accept it’s not and it’s made by the creators. But sure.

[@justbarelyme8043]

I think you need to look up what constitutes as fan-fiction. Fan-fiction is when an author breaks established rules within the world they're writing in in order to appease a fanbase....nothing about these leaks fit that description. These leaks suggest a cold and merciless story about the consequences of hate as well as the consequences of previous decisions. The characters that we know die in TLoU 2 get a similar gruesome death as every other character we've seen die thus far. -- Sarah gets killed by a soldier working for a government that was suppose to protect her. -- Tess gets bitten and then gunned down. -- Sam gets bitten, turns and forces Henry to kill him. -- Henry kills himself over the guilt of killing his own brother. -- David gets butchered by a 14 year old. -- Marlene gets gunned down execution style for trying to save the human race. In what way do the leaks suggest a deviation from the cruel rules of the world established by the first game?? SPOILERS AHEAD: -- Joel gets his head bashed in with a golf club by the child of someone he killed years prior. Nothing about this screams "fan-fiction". It follows the same rules as in TLoU 1. It can EASILY fit with the deaths I listed above. I realize there are more leaks than just Joel's death, but honestly I could make the same argument about how those fit within the same rules as well so I won't even bother. I just singled out Joel's spoiler because it seems to be the one most people are complaining about.

[@justbarelyme8043]

@Larry Kenobi Whenever a story treats it's characters as how the reader wants them to be treated, THAT'S fan-fiction. Fan-fiction coddles a fanbase. It doesn't put them in positions to think between the lines.

[@NatsumiMichi]

@@justbarelyme8043 To be fair - as someone who has written ff before - fanfics aren't as much about catering to the reader as they're about crafting a story you, as the author, want to tell about the world/characters, which deviates from the original in some way. When you write a fanfic you have no idea if anyone will actually like it or even want to read it, unless you're writing some gigantic fandom approved prompt everyone is asking for...and yeah, that doesn't really happen. In other words, fanfic is more for the benefit of the author than the reader - the readers like it too? Then it's a win-win. If these leaks were just a fanfic then all would be good - because a fanfic is just a fun way to explore more of the world and characters you like and in different ways. You don't like it, you don't read it and most importantly, it's not canon. This is where the leaks get disturbing, because they portray an illogical, downright insulting developement of the story and characters that you wouldn't really expect from the original material - but rather from someone's fanfic. It's season 8 of GOT all over again - good old case of bad writing.

[@justbarelyme8043]

@@NatsumiMichi HOW can you say the leaks are illogical when you haven't even played the full game yet....it's illogical to say something is illogical when you don't have all the information yet. ...And how do the leaks seem illogical to you in the first place? I have seen nothing that strikes me as out of the ordinary when compared to the original game. Imagine if when the original game was about to release the ending was leaked weeks prior and all we were given were a few images and a leaker describing the ending as "Joel kills everyone in the Firefly base and chooses to protect the girl over finding a cure for humanity". If that shit had leaked gamers would have responded something like, "So we play the entire game trying to find a cure and in the end Joel chooses to save one life over millions!? No, that's dumb, I'm cancelling my pre-order". They would have made a snap judgement over an incomplete narrative that they were told about by someone else, but if they'd waited and played the game they'd have realized the situation wasn't so black and white. It would have been ILLOGICAL to judge the game based on little tidbits while ignoring the fact that there's an entire game worth of context that they'd be ignoring simply because they didn't like the way the ending sounded on paper.

[@MoonpieM]

For me The Last of Us II doesn't exist🤷🏽‍♀️

[@heroinfather7669]

Same, for the brief fleeting moment I think this, I am at ease with the world👌

[@tankbeast8480]

@@heroinfather7669 same for the brief fleeting moment i think this,i am at ease with the world

[@sieke10]

Same

[@Miguel-vv9hd]

Same

Tlou2 game needs a completely new remastered series

[@symondo5883]

Remember when the rise of skywalker leaks came out and people were all “this cant be true, it sounds horrendous”, and they turned out to be true. Just saying.

it turned out to be even worse than the leaks:D

[@bazonga9085]

Mr Apex and the game of thrones leaks

[@Th3Cused1]

Bazonga reading the leaks was bad enough, and then their execution made them even worse

[@michaelramon2411]

Ironically, the mob angry about these leaks is setting The Last of Us 3 (if such a thing is made) to be a Rise-of-Skywalker-like product. Because all of the haters of The Last Jedi got exactly what they asked for (corporate focus-tested "safe" mush with little artistic vision, designed to please everyone and not make you think too hard), and they didn't like it either. There are not a lot of areas where aggressive backseat driving is appreciated or terribly helpful. (You are, of course, allowed to dislike pieces of art, but if you angrily demand changes to pieces of art that you don't like, you disincentivize anything other than bland corporate stuff.)

[@Revan-eb1wb]

@@michaelramon2411 last jedi and rise of skywalker were bad movies. The last jedi had great effects and cinematography and some interesting ideas but the execution was so bad. rise of skywalker was just an embarrassing fan fic mess

[@bayoo3]

I was pretty pissed when a random Tweet spoiled Joel’s death Then I read the leaks and was super grateful that I got spoiled lol

[@Hahaa99]

Same

[@jackieestacado6144]

Why were you grateful?

[@MyAccount217]

Jackie Estacado because everyone that read the leaks realized the plot details were awful and that the game wasn’t worth buying Also nice username, I love that game

[@nelzelpher2088]

@@MyAccount217 never heard of the game. What's it about?

[@behroztaib2052]

Jackie Estacado saved 60$ and can ignore the existence of last of us part 2. I’ll just imagine it’s a stand-alone game.

[@kayskreed]

Logan, the movie with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine was pretty much TLOU. Yes, he dies at the end, but he dies fighting for Laura so that she may live. It's sad, but there's something beautiful there. Joel, I expected him to go out in a similar manner defending Ellie, but not like this...

[@WhirlingMusic]

Logan has such an emotional ending. Just thinking about it makes me a little teary eyed

[@eclipsexfade9522]

Abby: FOOUUUUUUURR!!!!!!!

[@magicman3163]

kayskreed The easiest Oscar Bait is single father movies it works with Logan and GoW but it doesn’t for TLOU because Joel was never a violent sociopath who changes throughout the series

[@unhappymatt1]

Thanks! I knew there was some reason I didn't want to watch it yet. Now I won't. Last one I watched was Civil War.

[@thedarklordx]

@meaturama that's actually a thing in Marvel. One of Wolverine's villains is Lady Deathstrike and I believe she is the daughter of someone Wolverine killed or stole from or something.

[@tyronetiggums6441]

Not only are all the leaks true but it actually gets so much worse with context.

[@jeremyroberts8822]

Yea it honestly does, which is nuts. Smh Idk what they were thinking with this story

[@KizaruB]

The release game’s story was so much worse than I imagined. I expected gratuity, but it goes too far and reaches into the realms of perversion and sadism. And then you don’t even get a payoff at the ending, making the 20 hours and the story of the original basically pointless as Ellie’s life leads to nothing.

[@ricardolujan4791]

Yeah, the context is much worse and so rushed... come on!!

[@martinsriber7760]

ï don't know about leaks, but so much they say in this video is wrong, that I have my doubts.

[@1Guason3]

The ellie dying part was not true

[@charless2450]

Right now Todd Howard is breathing a sigh of relief and thinking, "Oh, thank god! They're talking about some other game's disaster now!"

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Atleast Todd doesnt push wokeness lol

[@elsombreromagico9131]

I’d rather pay for a buggy, shitty game than some woke shit

[@ryleybenson1009]

At least it leads to hilarity when Todd Howard fucks up. This just makes me angry and depressed

[@hern_n]

Hahaha

[@ArendAlphaEagle]

He's gotta put the world into balance again. Expect another Bethesda disaster in a week or two.

[@firstattempt356]

I’m someone who hates spoilers and getting spoiled about anything that I’m interested in watching or playing, but this is the first time I’m glad I got spoiled about a game.

[@imoffendedthatyouroffended5173]

Literally 100% the same for me.

[@thesavagegummybear7341]

Yep, great way to save 80$

[@RoachDoggJR.-]

Same here

[@anonymousanonymity2815]

Jason Brien yep just spoiled it myself, sixty dollar well not spent

[@scorchercast8366]

I was avoiding spoilers for this game. Then I saw the comment section on the new trailer and I thank god for the leaker now

[@VersusSEED]

Neil Druckmann: "The game is about Hate and we made you guys hate us, aren't we so deep?"

[@AmariMarvelous]

He was being poetic and foreshadowing and we didn't pick up on it till now...

[@justintime3384]

Trans people exist and have existed forever. It is not a product of shifting social circumstances but a symptom of increased awareness and sensitivity. There is no reason it wouldn't exist in a scenario like this. Also is it even confirmed Abby is trans?

[@chinogambino9375]

You get to pay 60 bucks for 25 hour long moral lecture from a cynic.

[@christianfondelius978]

No.

[@Marrs47]

Justin Time before the shut down, I went to the gym daily. There are not a lot, but there are women with that type of build. Personally, I’m not buying it because I just wanted to play Joel. I played TLOU at least once a year, the expansion once overall. I thought that Abby was going to be a flash back character like Ellie’s mother and we were going to find out something about her immunity.

[@DigEMs-yl1vm]

In the final scene of Joel and Ellie together, Joel said that if the good lord gave him a chance to change what he did at the salt lake hospital, he wouldn’t of changed a thing, it was probably the best scene of the game right next to the camping trip flashback

[@NOWrunAMOK]

The leaker was doing the Lord’s work....”evil triumphs when good men do nothing!” God bless you.

[@RanEncounter]

No. The leaker is a bad actor as are NG. If you really think the leaker is a good actor you have bought in on the preorder culture way too much. Wait for reviews and then buy the game.

[@misterraight2855]

RanEncounter Geez you are the king of transsexual simps

[@EnLaMatrix1]

@@RanEncounter How do you review a game? Oh that's right, you *BUY* it. By exposing the disaster the game actually is, we no longer need to buy it to review it, "pre-order culture" has nothing to do with this.

[@RanEncounter]

@@EnLaMatrix1 WTF are you actually this stupid? Reviewers like Joe buy the game anyway because it is their job review games. You heard him in the video! How stupid can you be?

[@Drawing4Justice]

@@RanEncounter No. Nobody with self respect is buying the game.

[@Utonian21]

The point is; If it wasn't for the leaks, people would've still been pissed when the game came out, but ND and Sony would've already made the money...

[@incogcheeto9322]

Ya, because word of mouth isn't a thing.

[@OptimumCrusader]

Now we all can boycott the game.

[@MugdhaMahdiShams]

@@incogcheeto9322 initial sales are also a thing

[@kaiolsen8425]

incog cheeto Preorder sales dipass

[@marcopg8112]

incog cheeto yeah but u gotta rember a lot of people have no patience and cant wait for reviews

[@davince4953]

IF YOU DON'T PLAY THE GAME ELLIE AND JOEL WILL LIVE...

[@Kakarot803]

Hahahahaha 😂😂

[@yashardadashzadeh3191]

@@nomadson615 the daughter of one of the surgeons that Joel kills at the end of TLOU has grown up and wants to take revenge. So we spend the first couple of hours of the game playing as ellie, until where Abby (the daughter) kills joel in front of ellie. Then the POV switches and we get a flashback and we're forced to play as abby, witness her father's death, and we play as her until the scene where Joel is killed, except this time, we witness it from Abby's perspective. However, Ellie is somehow spared (or escapes), and for unconfirmed reasons, we keep playing as Abby, who's now on a mission to also kill ellie. We continue to play as Abby where we have a final encounter with Ellie, and we're forced to proceed to beat her, and her pregnant girlfriend to near death. Now this is where it gets tricky, as there are three things that can happen. Either Ellie dies and it is implied that Ellie's friends will now hunt Abby, meaning the cycle of revenge continues. Option 2: Ellie survives and teases TLOU3 where she'll be the antagonist. Or Option 3: Ellie survives and the game continues, your perspective is switched back to Ellie and you spend the rest of the game hunting down Abby

[@calebsmith322]

SM Skies well Joel is killed off so

[@methodman1052]

@@yashardadashzadeh3191 DAYUMN that's a lot to digest and is fucking bad ass. I'm definitely going to buy it still lol.

[@methodman1052]

@@yashardadashzadeh3191 i did some more digging. Ellie dies too. There's a scene early on in the game where Joel gets his skull caved in by Abby with a golf club. Later on, a scene between Ellie and Dina takes place where Dina explicitly mentions Joel and Jesse being dead. ... Ellie dies at the end of the story, but he wasn't told how. Jesse and Dina live both Joel and Ellie die in the course of the game. The leak reads: “Joel is killed in the first few hours by Abby, the daughter of the surgeon you kill in Part One. This is apparently what happens in that scene in the trailer where Ellie's being held down. Ellie dies at the end of the story, but he wasn't told how. Jesse and Dina live. You play as Abby for half the game.” Even if unconfirmed, it sounds likely given all the confirmed leaks.

[@bign3ck]

Whoever leaked this is the Edward Snowden of gaming, thank you for saving me, not just money, but having to pay to suffer through what is a disturbingly violent and nasty game.

[@andrewsqual]

You needed a leaker to tell you that TLOU Part II would be violent? How stupid are you? You were NEVER going to buy it if that's the case, you wouldn't ahve made it past the first enemy encounter without hurling lol. Anyway, 4 million sales after 3 days, yeah, a lot of you DEFINITELY did not buy it like you said you wouldn't haha.

[@bign3ck]

@@andrewsqual I only like the first one because of the characters, now they're dead or cucked, who cares for this game? And yeah it sold, on a lie, defend it all you want, I don't care for it, my fun was watching this games reactions 😂. Oh and by the way, I own the first game on Ps3 and ps4. Admit it, the story is garbage and the end renders the game pointless 🍿

[@bign3ck]

@@andrewsqual And I don't mind violence, but this game makes you feel like some dirty murdering freak, not fun, I'm off to play, Doom Eternal

[@acky2lum]

@@andrewsqual I can see why you can interpret the comment literally "violent" as in the killing part... But I think everyone else knows he meant that the game is violent to the player's mind, to us. It's torture to see your favorite game, characters, and story ruined because the writer decides his agenda > sensible storytelling... Oh and by the way, that 4 million sales is because of the previous hypes, because we couldn't believe it would be that bad, and because we still give benefits of doubts that the leaks are without context... and now half the online sales are refunded, ppl has been reselling the game bundling with game consoles, literally giving out money to get rid of the game.

[@tiberious_jefferson]

bign3ck TLoU2 blows DE out of the water.

[@Bananaskin101]

Troy Baker's comments about "Keep an open mind about TLoU2" reminds me of Mark Hamil's warnings about TLJ

[@anotherhappylanding4746]

Almost like they were trying to warn everyone but couldn't do it directly

[@Jordan-ob7nz]

​@@anotherhappylanding4746 With Baker I felt that was more out to protect the writer Neil Druckmann (because they are buddy-buddy). With Hamill however it was a true warning, you could see how dead he was on the inside and the guilt he felt.

[@steven_miles5545]

Troy Baker was trying to warn us about it when he said "Keep an open mind." He was telling us how joel would die. I just wish we would have deciphered what he truly meant earlier, maybe then we wouldn't have been so disappointed or upset as we are now because we knew it was coming, we were warned about it indirectly.

[@anotherhappylanding4746]

@@Jordan-ob7nz oh yeah ik I've never felt so bad for someone like I have watching all them interviews and tweets by Mark hamill, he looked so broken that his portrayal of Luke in the sequels is how his character will be remembered . Devastating.for such a great guy and fan of star wars too

[@kagenotatsumaki]

@AS - 06CM - Morning Star MS (1114) The Last Jedi.

[@TheSouthsboy14]

Neil Druckman once said” Joel and Ellie are the heart of the story and there is no Last Of Us without them”. Case closed.

[@rjtheripper931]

To have them killed off is a disservice to what the theme of the last of us is. Trying to find hope in a world gone to hell.

[@ThaRedPitbull]

I think he said that before his testicles were snatched from his body.

[@ThaRedPitbull]

@Ace Of Spades lmao Better be careful, man.

[@aconite72]

@Ace Of Spades seriously dude? seriously?

[@robm6645]

@@aconite72 SJWs aren't the only people trying to politicize race and gender in gaming.

[@Gogmatic]

It ain't good when Joe is pissed off about it. Millions of 60$s saved.

[@Frost3yte]

Saved Canadians 80$

[@Flametasticeedits]

But what if the leaks aren't accurate. What if the game makes u think it's shit but it actually turns out to be a truly great game?

[@SKOMEpocets]

you think that, lil guy.

[@qwerty-or1yg]

Saved me from buying a console just for this game, lol

[@alejandrolagual4172]

Arnold Schwarzenegger there’s footage of the leaks

[@infamouscrusader3363]

Well, the game is released and it looks like the leaks weren't lying.

[@candypaint8887]

Its much worse actually

[@infamouscrusader3363]

@@candypaint8887 It is. It was a miracle that I actually forced myself to finish this abomination of a game.

[@salutations6370]

Issac Moreno I forced my self to sit through the whole thing and immediately deleted the game after I finished it

[@infamouscrusader3363]

@@Iomudh1 I'd be okay if the game for cancelled after leaks were released or if the game got delayed again. If it was a dream, I would have let this barely slide.

[@infamouscrusader3363]

@@salutations6370 I bought a physical copy so I'm screwed.

[@thecinephilereviews]

I used to think the Last of Us was a tragedy. But now I realize, it’s a comedy..

[@jonathanmora8208]

WOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!

[@alaacharaf_]

Fucking deeeeeeeeep

[@kingnothing5678]

What do you get when you smack Joel's head with a golf club by a trans?

[@ryleybenson1009]

@@kingnothing5678 A Joel in one?

[@aldovk6681]

I've seen the leaks, trust me it is a comedy

[@kevins6567]

Imagine if one of the random stormtroopers that died on the Death Star has a daughter that finds Luke years later and smashes his head in with a golf club. Then the rest of the movie is about her trying to track down Leia to kill her and her friends. That’s basically the plot of tlou 2.

[@MarkofO]

Still would have been better than the last Jedi and rise of Skywalker

[@alwayslaughing2541]

This is spot on.

[@doesntmatter5857]

Like the thing in Kill Bill when the daughter watches her mother die. Only crappy.

[@Matthew.Wade27]

Haha, so accurate.

[@Charlo420]

kevin s that actually sounds entertaining when you put it like that 😂

[@mrcscnnn21]

Yoooo, someone who buys this game. Do us all a favor. When you take control of Abby and fight Ellie, let Ellie kill you multiple times and make a montage video of it. Post it on youtube as the actual ending.

[@mavibaso]

Name it “Last of us 2 - ALL ENDINGS” lmao

[@skyblue2708]

I'm going to get it, and I'm going to post an hour long video of Abby beating the shit out of Ellie and Joel.

[@mavibaso]

Sky blue why though.

[@kennythealpha5437]

Sky blue no one cares

[@michaellai536]

Sky blue why would you do that, why

[@Weiser_Gaming]

I still wonder if Neil Druckmann and Naughty Dog realises that the leaker (which I believe was a worker whom thought the storyline was stupid) actually save them from a worse backlash than they are getting now. There would be more returns, more destroyed copies, lower metacritic score and media outcry.

[@juicyyuuji4726]

I like how Neil Cuckman had Amy Henning, a real women who is also a superior writer than him, removed to champion fictional women.

[@TheDailyGerb]

Juicy Yuuji holy cow is this true? Was it because she disagreed with the direction on the story?

[@lz9275]

G Ham Yes

[@RoyalRooster-xyz]

Yes

[@Oskarisadog]

I think she voluntarily left to do something with Star Wars.

[@dieflutkommt]

Xavier Molina “voluntarily” , she was basically forced out.

[@Pepperoni_N1ps]

The colors of their shirts match how angry each person is.

[@Pepperjack57IsAwesome]

This is fucking legendary. This comment deserves likes

[@louiejimbroski8802]

True

[@doug1498]

They should do this for every review/rant lol

[@novarity6561]

I appreciate your profile picture

[@arkhamshow8996]

For joe (red): super angry For other Joe ( black): depressed For alex (mustard): calm but sad

[@dreamedweaver7676]

Neil Druckmann -“If the first game was really about the love between these two characters, this story is the counter of that. This story is about hate.” Naughty Dog accomplished their goal, people hate it.

[@ewatts25]

What a dumbfuck nobody is gonna buy a game they’re gonna hate

[@xxx9208]

Wasabi Samurai i will

[@SuperMandibleclaw]

@@xxx9208 shill

[@xxx9208]

SuperMandibleclaw i‘m not as butthurt as you, i‘m good. CE preordered, feels so good.

[@lyravain6304]

@@SuperMandibleclaw He's trolling you. Or he's a moron willing to toss away money, in which case, you're smarter, or at least more financially savvy.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

NO WONDER THEY ARE DELETING LEAKS. THEY WANTED TO SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS LIKE DISNEY WITH STAR WARS THE LAST JEDI.

[@bluewiz0090]

Everyone: Joel and Ellie are amazing. Naughty Dog: Who are those?

[@Marinealver]

Breeders, so they have to die.

[@ziyaadsam008]

@Afterlife is The Future I'm triggered, well done

[@josecarlosmoreno2776]

We fired those assholes last week... They didn't like our Crunch.... XD

[@Resvrgam]

Luke Skywalker and Han Solo?

[@jmlb8226]

Naughty Dog: Nah you know what you guys really want? A transsexual's revenge story

[@vincentdurocher9699]

I would have loved if Joel died saving Ellie, then tells her to just stop hunting the other group. She doesn't listen, she manages to kill the guy that killed Joel, and then she dies of her injuries. In that situation, I would have been ok with both of them dying. But not like this man.

[@animefiend16]

That would make this worth playing.

[@cyrilthehood]

What you explained looks like what is gonna happen

[@AlexiusRedwood]

Naaa GOOOOOOOOLLLLLLFFFF CLUUB

[@skyblue2708]

@@cyrilthehood Shhh, don't tell them they are stupid and contradict themselves! This is honestly the most brain dead fan base I've ever seen, it makes me wonder if any of them have ever actually played the first game.

[@hecetewest5411]

Sky blue well no, that isn’t what is going to happen. Joel killed someone in an effort to get Ellie out in the first game and now the daughter of this irrelevant character came back for revenge and you’re expected to play as them to kill Ellie. The comment is saying that if you played as Ellie trying to survive and eventually got killed after catching Joels murderer it would be a good story. Not having to play as Joels murderer who is a completely irrelevant character.

[@lordgorgrath1773]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the worst thing about all this is Ghost of Tsushima got pushed back!

[@kaiolsen8425]

Lord Gorgrath177 isn’t it July 2020? Did it get pushed back to July?

[@kefkapalazzo1092]

@@kaiolsen8425 tlou took the spot...

[@PieczykM]

😭

[@kaiolsen8425]

Kefka Palazzo But I thought TLOU is releasing June and GOT is releasing in July?

[@HORIZON00236]

Bet it because Sony knows people will buy ghost then the last of us

[@therealding221]

Game of thrones: worst ending to a story ever. Last of us 2: hold my golf club

[@kekbur249]

"if you kill the villain you are as bad as him" - worst trope ever

[@Warriorsghost]

disney got it right, always kill the bad guys, it's what the people want lol

[@leecameron9226]

@@Warriorsghost no they didn't Joel and Ellie aren't even hero's you idiot so them dying is only because you don't want see likeable assholes get killed

[@charlysti6299]

Leestation Gaming naughty dog are fools, kill the main characters we loved then play the character who kill them? Give me a break

[@emotionalsupportostrich2480]

Joel is the villain, at the end of the first game he kills the surgeons and takes Ellie (who has the cure to the disease). Joel effectively doomed all of humanity over 1 child’s life (a hard choice). The sequel shows his decision coming back to haunt him!

[@dz5621]

@@leecameron9226 take your woke game and shove it up your ass.

[@ferofax]

If Joel died to a zombie, we'd all be heartbroken but we wouldn't be pissed, especially if it's to save Ellie. But nope, they decided to go with the MA'AM route.

[@notBrocker]

ferofax yup even fans can make a better story but nope it's just like Star Wars the force is female remember lmao

[@Ellzyboy]

@@notBrocker hmmmm both these things have small hat directors.....hmmmmmmm

[@zeroskaterz92]

Yeah, like Telltale's Walking Dead killed Lee. We don't want bad things happen to Clem.

[@finecastleie]

"You killed my father" *unconsious Joel grunt* "I was his favourite daughter" *confused fictional characters*

[@chillieice]

Yeah I've been thinking the same thing. If they really wanted to kill of Joel there are so many better ways to do it. This is kinda like if you had to play as the reapers in the third Mass Effect game and it ending with you killing Shepard. It's just stupid.

[@shepardN717]

If they want us to be "open minded" when it comes to this story, then they better be "open minded" when it comes to the criticism.

[@thetokenwon506]

Their response to criticism: “you just don’t want a trans/gay/female/POC as the lead in a game.”

[@shepardN717]

I was really hoping that it would be more focused on Joel's lie to Ellie and how she slowly forgives and regains trust with him over the course of the game. And for a game about a post apocalyptic world filled with mutated and infected enemies, there seems to be very little story focus on the infected themselves.

[@UberWolf9]

I'm open minded on keeping my wallet closed for this piece of shit game.

[@JaredLetoNo1Fan]

Troy baker: keep an open mind Joel: um, ok.... 🤯🏌️‍♂️

[@JaredLetoNo1Fan]

They should rename this game to "The LGBT of Us/Them/They: IT'S MA'AM- Part II: The X and Y Chromosome Wars

[@bernardgonzalez7260]

This is basically “The Last Jedi” of video games

[@luccorber2264]

Thats sums it all up

[@Sir_McCartney]

but replace the force awakens with the original trilogy

[@xCestLaVie1]

Kill the patriarchy, yes, identical to starwars.

[@matthewkirves6356]

xCestLaVie1 I don’t think the problem is them trying to appeal to more people it’s just that the writing and pacing is so bad

[@MrC77]

More like the entire Disney trilogy.

[@jeco2512]

Troy Baker: "Keep an open mind." Naughty Dog: Opens player's minds up with a golf club.

[@Weskerific]

This made me chuckle

[@TheSparkynuts]

LMFAO

[@FireflyFalafel]

Beatings will continue until sales improve.

[@JetBazooka21]

He warned us..

[@Tecolote41]

Joel telling us to keep an open mind is quite funny and ironic

[@LuigiLonLon]

"‘When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say" George R. R. Martin

[@EskChan19]

This. This whole "the leak hurt the game" narrative is bullshit. If the games story simply wouldn't have been bullshit then noone would have given a shit about the leak. If the story was good people would have been "Oh man now i just CAN'T WAIT to get my hands on this game and experience it first-hand!". The story is shit. And it would have still been shit if the leak hadn't happened. Naughty Dog is just pissed that they were found out before people had given them their money for this conjob.

[@onerandomperson2762]

Randy19 I think the “ leak hurt the game” idea is the fact that there are lots of people who won’t buy it now because they knew about the story in full beforehand. If they hadn’t they would’ve bought it, then hated it. But they would’ve already bought it so that’s a copy sold. Now with people knowing how dog shit the story is they won’t even buy it in the first place. At least that’s my take on it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@qislegit.donttrustthemedia6232]

@@onerandomperson2762 You are both right! I would've smashed my console had I given them $60 and played through this shit story. The leaker is a hero. ND needs to die.

[@lordfarquaad2319]

Well, George R.R. Martin gave the message that revenge is bad 100 times better than Naughty Doggo, at least according to the leaks

[@LittleSkyful]

Onerandomperson27 well to be fair nobody knows the full story, but the essential parts...

[@PorkRyan]

To me the Last of us 2 never happened, like how the new star wars trilogy never happened...

[@superbubas6829]

Well but it happened and we cant really deny it

[@GodhandPhemto]

@@superbubas6829 LMFAO OF COURSE we can deny it, WE are the fans, WE can create our OWN Cannon. Who gives a shit about official cannon nowadays anyway? The SJWs certainly dont so neither should we. I dont give a single fuck about "official" cannon as its all corporate bullshit, like with Star Wars, Decades of cannon ERASED when Disney BOUGHT the franchise and changed it, "Official" cannon is horseshit if it can change so easily because of Money. Nah fuck that, make your OWN cannon people, "official" is joke.

[@superbubas6829]

GodhandPhemto well yeah but you just cant deny the fact that this shit happened and not everything will be the same. Just look at EA or bethesda, its that kind of thing. But yeah its better and easier to forget things that somebody has done i dont really get the point what you have just said. If somebody dont know what im talking about, well im talking about Naughty dog not being good anymore if that kind of thing will continue and we cant just ignore that shit.

[@superbubas6829]

Internet User well im sick of it too dont get me wrong. Im just saying that this shit happened and we must know about this that it happened.

[@superbubas6829]

Internet User ahhh i get ya know. Well you are right sorry

[@northlanedarko771]

Imagine the backlash if the leaks didn't come out . Imagine playing this game not knowing and thinking it was a REAL last of us 2 . The leaks were on purpose they freaked out ,they had a premonition that they would start riots.

[@Gogmatic]

The platinum trophy for The Last of Us is named "It can't be for nothing", looking at it now and it highly seems it was all for nothing.

[@roof1975]

Two separate games dummy. Brutal life happens... Get over it...

[@kill3rs529]

I got that platinum I hate how part 2 cant be undone I'm upset a lot but not upset about finding out the spoilers for that I'm happy

[@Gogmatic]

@@roof1975 story wise, dummy.

[@Soliden12]

Word 😂

[@dantebateman4737]

@@roof1975 moron

[@tryanbryan429]

You either go bankrupt, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain Blizzard...... Bioware.....Bethesda... Naughty Dog

[@pjester08]

Forgot to add DICE.

[@GameZard]

Sony and Gearbox too.

[@tryanbryan429]

@Mr Doggo EA been to the upside down so many times we almost forgot they used to be good.....

[@KidbuuGODMODE]

Gaming as a whole is being attacked again by alternative media like entities

[@akmal94ibrahim]

I'm scared of the day CDPR gets added to the list.

[@draytonjames81]

Imagine ezio got killed by a guards daughter because ezio killed him in a haystack.

[@daniel51404]

Lmfao!!!!!!!

[@daniel51404]

Or Hitman gets killed by the son of a guy he strangled in a kitchen.

[@randomkriegsman8444]

Or Doomguy getting killed by the cousin of an Imp he killed

[@votpavel]

nice

[@rishabiyer958]

Or in The Witcher 3, Eredin ends up squashing Geralt’s head into mush and then proceed to play as him to capture and torture Ciri and end up succeeding.

[@annabanana7659]

The person who leaked it should get a medal or something. They tried to warn us and helped some people save $60.

[@jacksongibbs8998]

Maybe everyone who was going to spend $60 to get TLOU2 should give the guy who spilled the beans $60.

[@Budymryo]

I had a pretty strong feeling that Joel was going to die. And I wanted one thing, I just wanted for him to have a respectable death, and not die like a dog. This is too much

[@cotton1229]

Dwit Beathead I feel the same way, his death seemed inevitable, but I just wanted it to be respectable.

[@luigivincenzo9731]

Pretty sure Joel was a murderous smuggler in the first game who killed many people in a similar fashion to how Abby killed him. Storywise I don't have a problem with it at all to be totally honest.

[@shinsetsusha]

@@luigivincenzo9731 The way I remember it, he was opposing another band that was quite ruthless. If anything, I would say that he was fighting fire with fire in that apocalyptic version of the world. Anyways, obviously he was old and you could expect him to die, but I wish that his death would be one that accomplished something, you known, like Anakin's.

[@luigivincenzo9731]

@@shinsetsusha I kind of see your point but he did die AFTER he accomplished everything in the first game, so it's not like his character is rendered pointless. It's not an epic end for a character we have grown to love but in-universe it is entirely appropriate IMO.

[@zrichards907]

I still don't understand why this is inevitable, joel is the hardened veteran of that world, he was cautious but brutal when needed to be. He's been a part of gangs that ambushed and tracked people, he knows the signs of danger whether it be people or infected. I never knew why people were expecting that. Ellie has been the reckless and careless one, if anyone was going to bite the dust, it would and should be her.

[@Navonex]

The last of us 2 fans: THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER MADE!!!! Fallout 76: just back away slowly....maybe they won't see us....

[@melk322]

Fo76 is making a great comeback, its actually fun now

[@MasterCorvid]

To be fair Anthem did it first.

[@Dankles69]

@@melk322 lmao keep dreaming.

[@bi0hazard921]

I got an ad for it that seems pretty cool but mainly because it had voice actors.

[@randomcallum]

@@melk322 no just no as Jim Sterling put now it's just a really shit fallout 4 but online Yaaaaaaaay now it's good enough to be shitter than the shittiest of fallout games that aren't it lmao 😂😂😂😂

[@larkstonguesinaspic4814]

Naughty Dog jumped off a cliff with this. Even Bethesda and Bioware had slower fall from grace. Naughty Dog just went wooooop.

[@Cam9915]

Blame Neil. Ever since he stepped into the picture shits been crazy there

[@Pyxis10]

@dayzgone Wut?

[@larkstonguesinaspic4814]

@dayzgone oh Neil is that you?

[@mustdie27]

dayzgone easy there, take your HRT.

[@syro2412]

Nah they'll be fine Their game will sell well anyway even with the leaks out there.

[@stelhart6139]

Look how they did telltales walking dead season 1. Killing off the main character properly like that’s how you do it

[@axeman286]

Like read dead redemption 2

[@dav2-094]

But thats not how it works in the real world, and thats what they are trying to show. Joel dies like everyone else, its a shock for the players, and makes it personal for the players.

[@justaw2982]

@@dav2-094 Oh and Abby having a bodybuilders body during a zombie apocalypse is realistic? And Joel did not die like everyone else, he got beat to death with a fucking golf club. He should've at least gotten a better death instead of his brother telling complete strangers their names.

[@dav2-094]

@@justaw2982 Abby was obssesed with finding and killing Joel for 5 years in which she became an elite WLF soldier that trained every day, heavy weight training btw. Abby's body is perfectly normal in that context, some of you are just mad because you cant fap to it. Tommy told Abby their names to gain her trust because she was in shock and they needed her help to get out of there. Its so fucking easy to tell when some of you havent even played the game and are just hating because its a trend now.

[@stellaartois8853]

​@@dav2-094 I love the fact that it's only about realism with some guys whenever it fits with their narration. How realistic was the end of Fall chapter and the Winter chapter of TLOU? How realistic was it that Joel would survive it and that 14 year old would be able to survive on her own with a bow feeding on rabbits having a mortally wounded old guy to care for, save that he even got him out of that building, killing a bunch of grown men in passing? ZERO REALISM.

[@RasenRendanX]

If anything ppl will just spent more money on ghost of Tsushima instead

[@anthonymontenegro1532]

You

[@jw7500]

Cyberpunk also says "hi"

[@ryleybenson1009]

I spent the money I'll be getting from the automatic TLOU2 refund on Doom Eternal instead

[@elkmeatenjoyer3409]

I hope it turns out to be good.

[@whimsybomb7929]

@Soupmaster101 Overreaction much?

[@AnimGhost]

Ellie ---- a strong female lead character, everybody loves and looks up to Naughty: mnm, not inclusive enough -----x_x---->

[@ZDehuman1ze]

Not before milking her for all she's worth at the E3 gameplay demo

[@ZDehuman1ze]

@Paris Urueta You don't know that, it seems more likely than her lezzing out with Abby at least

[@rsmith8113]

She’s not ugly enough 😂

[@TzarBomb]

19:15 "abnormal " 🤣

[@pietroscarpa2384]

Did she die in the leaks?

[@Nighthawk5015]

If Joel died protecting Ellie, giving his life for something he believes in it would be different. Like Logan or Arthur, that's how you let characters get killed

[@MrDivyansh98]

Nighthawk5015 it’s a fucked up story don’t compare it to RDR2 that’s a masterpiece

[@tommysenior2871]

Joel killed Abby father who was about to operate on ellie and joel put a bullet into his head , so he died saving ellie only

[@Nighthawk5015]

@@MrDivyansh98 I didn't, I'm saying if you want to kill your character, RDR2 is a great example of how it's done right. I was pretty mad when I wrote that comment, I know I didn't write it well enough to get my thought out properly

[@davidwilson4446]

It’s not that he dies a non-hero death... if he was shot in the head unexpectedly that’s just life, but a golf glub? How does one survive an entire zombie apocalypse and die like that... at least in Walking Dead they were all tied up and defenseless

[@Nighthawk5015]

@@davidwilson4446 not just that. I hate the fact that they're making you an active participant in his murder and then you play as his murderer. Everything about it is just awful

[@marsvgc6658]

Can’t wait until angry joe plays the game and makes another video about home much he hates it more lol

[@Kathrynerius]

That Last of Us II review is going to be 100% him screaming.

[@winnieid2727]

Are joe confirmed he going made a review vid?

[@jaimeherrera8935]

@@winnieid2727 they've been streaming it, I'm guessing in 2-3 days they will upload a review

[@mariozaal]

Yeah and a sorry to other joe for the screaming.and ofcourse naughty dogg you done fucked it up.

[@mecharobots]

@@mariozaal naughty dog ain't done fucked it up . Great game but with a story that shows how revenge can lead down a dark road

[@SnowAster]

Why introduce a new character and have them kill off an established beloved character and then MAKE YOUR PLAYERS PLAY AS THEM?! In what universe is this a good idea Naughty Dog?!

[@kt1787]

Nier Automata SPOILERS To be fair, Nier automata kinda did that with killing a character people grew towards, and playing as said killer. Although they did it better than tlou2 imo.

[@spacetoaster7]

Kevin Tong Nier was such a sad story by the end. They made a great game though

[@ambrizfer7898]

@@kt1787 yeah but they were new characters.

[@Zyzzyyx]

"Why introduce a new enemy in the game,: white Christians who are of a male gender"? We dont know, wokeness????

[@kt1787]

AmbrizFer true, all the main characters were new. But the players grew towards 2b and 9s within their game, similar to how we grew towards Joel and Ellie.

[@masteryoda6853]

Imagine kratos getting butchured by baldur in the first fight and then hunting atreus while playing as baldur

[@rsmith8113]

prajwal kotwal02 Would have thrown my playstation out the window!!!

[@hydro_v7240]

This exactly. And if you talk against it your just hating trans people

[@MastaBlastaS99]

@@hydro_v7240 Why is everyone talking about trans people? Does this leak have anything to do with trans people?

[@autismospectrumlini914]

Cynical Chimp no

[@MastaBlastaS99]

@@autismospectrumlini914 Why're all the comments talkin about being woke? Abby just seems androgynous, but I don't think there's any social message being pushed.

[@DavidM_10]

I think everyone would have accepted Joel dying … that's not the issue. If Joel's death had been a moving midpoint or conclusion to Joel and Ellie's personal story, it could have worked. But nobody likes to see a previous, beloved character callously thrown aside to make way for a new character, e.g. Terminator: Dark Fate, Alien 3.

[@ryleybenson1009]

Joel deserved the same kind of heroic death as Vesemir

[@Boricua4ever23]

@Dan non I'm glad you have your eyes are open. The truth will set you free

[@RecDoT2000]

David Marshall Yeah, i accepted that Joel would die, but this early in the game? Now that is bullshit honestly....why couldnt they decide to make us play as Abby from the beginning for like 3-4 hours to make her likeable, see her parents get killed and make us feel bad for her to justify Joels death? (Maybe make it a bit better then a golf club to the head)

[@KabbalahSherry]

@@RecDoT2000 - Now THAT is brilliant. 🤷🏻‍♀️😒 THAT makes sense at least. Jesus Christ this is sooooo bad. I can't believe the story they came up with, omg.

[@Jennett1011]

It's rei vs luke all over

[@cerealgod885]

I can't wait for the Review, needs Alexs dressed as Abby hitting Joe with a golf club

[@VERGOTALOCA]

Dude you have been served

[@ed209v6]

Heard they actually hired Tiger Woods for the golfing scene.

[@shanecleverley3706]

LMAO dfkm hahahaha

[@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225]

I heard they hired his wife. She's been wanting to beat a man with a golf club for years.

[@Bloodylaser]

🤣🤣

[@brendanmurray4641]

shane cleverley has

[@kamranscent]

Lmao🤣

[@CarstenB711]

The story is just really bad fan fiction that NaughtyDog stole from the dark web

[@saiksaikatai594]

Common the dark web must be a thousand times more interesting than this.

[@sirissac234]

@Shirley Timple It is tumblr blog fan fiction level writing. Deal with it.

[@iancruz6617]

They been totally watching real gore for thism

[@ahmarcamacho8404]

What if I told you these leaks may not be true.

[@Soldano999]

There's fan in fanfiction. They're not fans. They hate fans. They go out of their way to destroy fan culture, ever since the whole gamer gate rebellion. They hate us, they despise us, they want to hurt us.

[@DamienDarksideBlog]

They said the second game was going to be about hate. Little did they know the game would be so hated nobody will play it. Have them ask EA and DICE about Battlefield and how pissing people off for no reason works for them.

[@roundduckkira]

Even BFV is ending up better than this (and sidenote, just because gamergaterz like to wig if a woman is in a game and they forget games like MOH Underground existed), I mean the story is just got depressing sounding when you play as a winning antagonist, especially if she isn't well told at all and made sympathizable.

[@jeremyrosal6049]

@Al Dente do you have a source for that? That would be such a dumb thing to say, why would they think that's the right way to go regarding making a sequel to live up to a great story.

[@Crackshotsteph]

@Al Dente Then that person doesn't deserve to develop video games.

[@jsrandomgaming8653]

Inb4 everyone calls you a natsi...

[@Mr_G87]

If Niel said the leaks were not true, but ended up being the actual game, he kinda admitted the story was shit, as if he knew what the leaks said was bad.

[@LeviathanSpeaks1469]

Sony needs to pull a Sonic the Hedgehog on this game, pronto...

[@JorgeHernandez-gq6yy]

It would delay the game for a few years

[@captaincaptain8961]

@@JorgeHernandez-gq6yy better that than the trash that's about to release.

[@PLUX4]

@@JorgeHernandez-gq6yy - I'd rather have that than what is currently going to happen.

[@JorgeHernandez-gq6yy]

PLUX4 ngl if they do that, just cancel the whole game leave it at that

[@qislegit.donttrustthemedia6232]

@@JorgeHernandez-gq6yy I would gladly wait....and would even consider buying it then...or even playing it for that matter.

[@SavageRicktator]

“Daddy what’s going on!” Joel: "It’s Naughty Dog Sarah, something ain’t right with em...I think they’re sick.”

[@joshludwick8645]

😆

[@wanderinglantern1468]

Lmaoooo

[@onejerky0aye]

Epic..LoL

[@WingZX1103]

SavageRicktator nice

[@tenmahakusho6390]

“What kind of sick?”

[@jaden3602]

You know damn well these leaks are real because Naughty Dog would’ve shut those rumors down REAL quick

[@MrCheesyBaconBits]

So true

[@Drothen-]

dumb kiddo these are not rumors, u can watch the video and cutscenes that show exactly what the "rumors" say. They are facts.

[@lilkxdude5659]

@@Drothen- The irony that you're the dumb one here.

[@michaelwatkins9479]

@Internet User the irony is that IM the dumb one.

[@lilkxdude5659]

@Internet User Nah. Because the comment clearly evades the context of the OP's comment. If these *were* rumors (which TRON fails to realize is a "what if" moment and thus their company is redundant) then Naughty Dog would, as said above, shut them down quickly. That is what I mean. Understand now, bucko?

[@sgstingraym.r.]

This is interesting to listen to now that the game has been out, I've beaten it and also since I didn't hear the leaks before hand. I had heard how mad everyone was but my whole playthrough I didn't understand why until I finished the game. I suspected Joel's death but I never expected them to split half the game up with a different character. I almost didn't even finish the game because I was so tired of it by the end. It sucks too because I don't think I could ever replay it like I do with many other games including the first one.

[@NotFromHere.]

Yeah I was fine until half way through the game those last 10-12 hours are so damn rough and not enjoyable at all

[@firehead210]

Naughty Dog: Man I guess this game really is the last of us

[@aaaaaaaaaaaadddd]

The last of, Feminism, SJW,LGBTQ, and MA'MA

[@shinsetsusha]

@@aaaaaaaaaaaadddd Nah, those are here to stay, sadly.

[@blaynestaleypro]

hopefully the last of Neil Druckmann

[@krugec23]

go woke go broke

[@kingnothing5678]

The age of man is over

[@farawila3899]

It's not about that Joel is going to die in Telltale's The walking dead s1 Lee dies in the end but it was so emotional and purposeful that you don't mind him dying

[@darthsidioustheemperor7976]

Exactly i expected joel to die and it carry on ellies story to push into 3 say he sacrifices himself saving ellie. Then ellie goes off and the third game is ellie hunting down joels killers for the revenge cycle or have a road to redemption arc for ellie where she believes if she doesnt hunt joels killers the cycle will die but at the end she accidently kills somone then that persons group go on the hunt for ellie bringing the cycle back and never escaping it

[@neilcuckmann1704]

darth sidious the emperor that sounds worse than the actual game thank god your not a writer

[@sleepchasers08]

AAAND he does it protecting Clementine. Not getting beaten to death by a golf club.

[@zeeshu2562]

Yea thats how you killoff such aloveable character, atelast make it heroic and actually worth something and make it emotional makes all the effort we give to TLOU part 1 was rewarded, not just some golf club beating in the middle of the game and didn't really do much of the story. Plus we have to play as the killer, how tf people will have an empathy for her, i rather makes her killed and don't olay the game knowing i will lead her to kill ellie.

[@bestmasterbilly6173]

Sonny Lucas he’s one dude and that’s your opinion. They had a whole team of writers that came up with the shit we’re getting and its possible a majority of people agree its garbage lmao

[@ethansensbach5500]

The lesson here is that sometimes ONE standalone game is fine. Not everything needs a sequel, not everything needs to be a franchise.

[@atlas6538]

@Nate Franklin no, I don't think I will

[@PaveMentman]

--- That's what I feel like with say "Metal Gear Solid" at least when it comes to to story/lore. I mean sure, "Metal Gear Solid" was the third (canon) game in "Metal Gear"-series, and I do like getting more background-insight with "Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater / Subsistence" ( As for "Ground Zeroes / Phantom Pain, I don't really know how to feel about them lore-wise...). And i liked the evolution of the CQC and various other systems while findings workaround-ways with the limited amount of buttons (at least in comparison to keyboards). But lore-wise I was totally fine having the story end at the 1998 Playstation "Metal Gear Solid". I did like all the extra-spin-offs like the "Special / VR-missions"-add-on for Playstation ( I really don't know how to feel about the "Integral"-edition though...), alongside the "Portable Ops" and "A.C.I.D"-games. But otherwise when it comes to story, I can do just fine without everything that goes forward from "Twin Snakes" on (yes, I hated this "reboot"...). ---

[@tomharly8026]

@Nate Franklin the game is shit Nobody likes playing with shit

[@DarkSpartanFTW]

Nate Franklin Hmmmm.. HMMMmmmmm..... HHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!....... No

[@najib9093]

Nate Franklin Buy it for us. We’re not paying for this crap.

[@jamesblack6800]

to everyone whos gonna read this one in the future. the leaks are true!

[@saadalareqi1569]

james black and even worse in contexts

[@barbarian6473]

Not really

[@nastycrimeboi5085]

Indeed they are

[@april.haunta6678]

Does Ellie die?

[@visionclear5719]

@@april.haunta6678 No she doesn't. After playing the game myself I'd give it 8/10. Please don't band Wagon

[@Hasan-hm5fy]

Red dead redemption 2s handoff from Arthur to John was sad but I wasn’t entirely pissed off as Arthur had an emotional death that was well written and payed tribute towards his character. This game will be dogshit as it’s just shock value

[@FlyfishermanMike]

Imagine if you had to play as Micha instead of John. Then hunt down and kill John and family. Arthur's death was inevitable after catching TB so at least he got to beat Micha to a pulp and save some friends.

[@zylo999]

Preach brother

[@salikhan12]

John also didn't bash Arthur's head in with a golf club

[@pushyrummble8625]

@@FlyfishermanMike Imagine if you needed to play Micha and kill John yourself, how that make you feel?

[@diegoperez3526]

Yes, exactly! This feels so forced

[@HHHHEEELLLLOOOO1]

Naughty Dog devs walking into the studio after watching Game of Thrones... “Guys!!!! I have an idea!”

[@sunnysied713]

*Fans:* I don't feel so good.😩

[@deletedaccount3251]

neil cuckmann watched game of thrones

[@cell9899]

Exactly where they got their inspiration. “Subverting expectations”

[@HHHHEEELLLLOOOO1]

cell9899 Game of Thrones, a how to destroy your franchise and characters in .08 seconds. Apparently it’s a hot commodity these days

[@namaikikitsune]

This is the same analogy that came to my mind. Imagine you have to read an alternating PoV fantasy series where the chapters are consistently about characters you hate? Thanks to a A Song of Ice and Fire I'm inclined to not read alternating PoV stories. I'm not sure why George R.R. Martin style stories are being emulated so much.

[@tanookigt]

My idea for a God of War sequel: Kratos gets his skull caved in within the first few hours by the daughter of some rando you killed in the last game. Then you play as Atreus for a few hours. Then you play the last half of the game as the woman that killed Kratos. Also, Atreus' sections are 60% teen relationship drama.

[@yannispirou101]

And Kratos' killer is a transgender draugr

[@PrestonSpenceV16]

Omg lmao

[@nazgulbarakas5767]

How would that be a fun God of War game? Who da heck cares about atreus teen relationships? Edit: Just realized this was a joke, and the joke flew over my head😂

[@Jactheitalian]

@@nazgulbarakas5767 lol yea man that's the exact plot of last of us 2

[@wearsjorge55]

I want Joel and Ellie to die. Don't know what Ellie has become but Joel straight out was a piece of shit during any part of the game besides when he's carrying his daughters body

[@GoatedYukari]

Aaaaaaand... it was somehow even WORSE WITH CONTEXT.

[@magertsiggy6917]

That ending tho, lmfao.

[@GoatedYukari]

magert siggy I saw this comment on Instagram and it summarizes it perfectly. Imagine after Thanos got all the infinity stones he just decided not to use them because all the sudden he realized murder is bad after killing millions.

[@magertsiggy6917]

@@GoatedYukari yea, all the killing of people with family( inclusive a pregnant woman) was pointless. The writer should be fired, his story has more plotholes than that of kojimas game, death stranding, lmfao.

[@williamhammer9649]

Splitscorpion bro this isn’t a Disney movie.

[@GoatedYukari]

William Hammer yeah... I’m sure disney movies have much better writing. revenge bad, revenge bad, revenge bad, revenge bad, revenge bad, revenge bad,revenge bad, revenge bad, revenge bad,revenge bad, revenge bad, revenge bad,revenge bad, revenge bad, revenge bad, and it’s still bad did you also know that this thing called revenge is bad?

[@Albanianhustler]

ND so openminded, that somewhere along the way, their' brains fell out.

[@daisuke5971]

Joel agrees with you, i mean, he experienced it first hand.

[@DA_BOID]

@@daisuke5971 There are layers to the level of comedic value hidden in these comments. You guys are geniuses.

[@melako85]

Too open,no brain inside

[@jmb9040]

Joel entered the story close minded but don't worry, Abby opens it right up :)

[@Leo_Ju]

OMG..LMAO

[@austinstroup8936]

I’m just here to watch Joe go off to be honest. It’s kind of like therapy😌

[@glitch1093]

🤣🤣🤣😂Mood

[@dylandamn1]

Fr

[@beaswork8520]

The Maam of us 2, get woke edition

[@brokengames9020]

Angry Joe Army I wonder where were you guys when Borderlands 3 "leaks" and guy got banned from social media happened?

[@TheUnknownZ990]

funny enough same i dont even play last of us