The Last of Us Part II - Review

For me, The Last of Us Part II was a huge disappointment.
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[@SubliminaIMessages]

“It’s like The Last Jedi” Yeah that’s what I expecte - “And Game of Thrones season 8” *Aiight imma head out*

[@nhall129]

Yeah i can deal with that, but GOT season 8 comparisons are a doom flag if ive ever seen one

[@stephensylvarwolf7940]

Yea, so this def means i ain't touching this game. Thanks for letting me know SU

[@Shredwizard445]

Nah last jedi was one of the worst films ever made, the recent trilogy should've grossed 1 billion+ per film but they were garbage.

[@NcrXnbi]

OOF!!!!! Once I heard that I was like WOW! Nice!

[@stevoyah]

when the mention the season 8 of GoT.....yikes

[@gibtsnicht1003]

For a game-series where the writing is universaly praised, being compared to GoT Season 8 is fatal.

[@rioajipangestu776]

Large Oof

[@projectnerdvana2820]

Lol

[@dangelini1137]

This game is overt propaganda

[@marhip7182]

And star wars sequels

[@TheOldest]

Calling The Last of Us a series is a bit of a stretch with the second game still waiting for launch. Either way your still right the sequel going to be a disappointment. Clearly the original game was written more as a one and done game with great story rather than every expanding franchise that it's getting forced into.

[@dylanaroberts97]

“It’s like The Last Jedi” Yikes. “And Game of Thrones Season 8” YIKES

[@duckboiii4441]

That’s really really bad then Last Jedi was poor storytelling that doomed the sequel franchise, but at least we have The EU. The sequels were shitty from the start so ok then GoT season 8 was really poor storytelling that throws all the character development, and since the books aren’t finished yet, or maybe eve;ever this is currently the ending of GOT

[@theprowler18]

And Batman V. Superman of contrivances and stupid reversals of character motivations. The story is god awful and people are really expressing that on release day with the full game on display through KZbin now.

[@yomamadawdg9141]

" and like 2020".

[@laurocoman]

@@yomamadawdg9141 God...

[@Toby-ou4gp]

And Kemono Friends 2

[@britbloc123]

Abby: "Who are you?" Joel: "I'm Robert and this is my brother Mark". Game ends.

[@bigbuffguy9589]

Exactly. I'm amazed at the people trying to claim that volunteering their real names without a second thought was "in character." Would it have killed the writers for Abby just to know what Joel looks like from the hospital's security camera or something?

[@amirhoseintorkashvand7487]

@@bigbuffguy9589 i'm not even sure writer did even think writing this sequel ... be careful tho fanboys incoming to justify the plot holes and the boring revenge story

[@mvazquez197]

@@bigbuffguy9589 I had a lot of issues with this before, but someone told me it makes sense that Joel was acting more positively based on the events of the night before.

[@janhuda8841]

[credits screen] Directed by Peter Jackson [Spanish Flea plays over]

[@jerrytom8835]

Even a teenager who ever watch one episode of the walking dead will not give out his real name to a group of strangers in the first time they met. Not to mention a veteran who survived decades of the apocalyptic would.

[@FleischerJack]

"It's like The Last Jedi" *_Dear god.._* "And Game Of Thrones season 8" *_NO_*

[@SmileyDude909]

*There's more...*

[@Zyzzyyx]

will this game be coming out on KFC's new game console?

[@keloing923]

@@Zyzzyyx nah it'll be on Papa John's

[@marklewis23]

Well it’s his opinion, most say it’s great

[@simatin19]

At least it's not a bucket.

[@Leonan_Brin]

Anyone else want Skill Up to make another review once the game is officially out where he just tears into it spoilers included since he'd be allowed to speak about everything?

[@mindblower8091]

I'd love it honestly

[@Vix584]

That'd be nice.

[@lethalramen]

He’s doing a spoiler review on his other channel, Laymen Gaming, with his brothers ✌️

[@penguinjay]

just wait for my boy the critical drinker to come and take a massive shit on it and give a 10 minute plot synopsis so nobody feels the need to subject themselves to that story just to find out it's shite.

[@SandyCheeks1896]

Yes. Hopefully he already made that video while he made this one.

[@TehPwnXor]

Comparisons with Disney Star Wars and GoT season 8...I'd like to report a murder here.

[@BigALBoomer]

I know that was brutal as hell haha I loved it

[@asifkazmi8733]

It's a mix of The Last Jedi and GOT S08? OMG

[@TheLastWanderingBard]

I just recently found some people anonymously breaking the embargo conditions online. The leaks were 100% true. So yeah those comparisons work perfectly. Joel is getting the Luke Skywalker treatment, Ellie actually is like Daenerys in the dumbest way possible, the game absolutely revels in "subversion" and just dismantling everything it had set-up so far, it revels in the hope of pissing off its own fans, and it does it all whilst pretending to be deep. What's so stupid is the game even treats itself that way. The story ends with a giant "everything you did was for nothing" and I don't mean in like a deep, reflective way (I guess kind of like the way the first game ended), but rather in a nihilistic "we want you to piss away your time because we're so artsy" way. Oh and let's not forget all the really shallow, shoehorned political agenda-peddling that's in this game too.

[@wellhello7711]

Hahahaha

[@6ixlxrd]

@@TheLastWanderingBard That's why there's so much confusion going around online. The gameplay looks amazing: the graphics, the sounds, the combat mechanics and how *violently* brutal it supposedly is, the facial animations both in cutscenes and when you kill people, the environmental designs, the sense of tension out in the world during exploration, the enemies. But that story. How can you create one of the arguably best-looking games on the PS4 but do THAT to the story? Why did Neil Druckmann have to make Anita Sarkeesian his role model? I mean, even the part in the leaks about Dina being pregnant was true, but Dina calls the kid Ellie's kid when the actual father (Jessie) literally sacrificed himself to save them. Tf even is this game??

[@thefirefades2265]

Last of us didn’t need a sequel, it needed a prequel. Plenty of story to be told in that 20 year time jump, Just saying.

[@nosouponhead]

No.

[@kingsley2837]

@@nosouponhead that would be interesting, the 20 year gap after Sarah’s death and boston. That would be better, the sequel somewhat tarnished the first game

[@nosouponhead]

@@kingsley2837 It would be too obvious. One of the joys of the first game is seeing what happened after 20 years of zombie outbreak. Having another generic zombie outbreak survival game would suck.

[@thefirefades2265]

@@nosouponhead you do make a good point, still don’t think the first game needed a sequel been saying it for years.

[@kingsley2837]

@@nosouponhead well its better than a third game about Abby, who the fuck would want to see what happens after the second game? Many of them would be uninterested. Joel’s past is a better idea IMO, how he survived, how he and Tommy fell apart and became separated and how he met Tess etc, it would be better.

[@arenkai]

"This is a petty revenge plot full of shitty unlikable people and where most of the main characters could be swapped out for any other and it wouldn't make a difference" Well... That's brutal

[@JohnDoe-vm5rb]

Someone's getting a DMCA claim from sony

[@Npmevlf]

So, It is as I was afraid of.

[@ioshinigami2165]

He ain't lying though

[@Mikx100]

It's almost like main IGN has played a different game (sister site IGN japan gave it a 7/10 and said that the story and characters are s*it)

[@quewerty8401]

It may be brutal, but given the swarm of media properties that all see this as the optimum path, I have no doubt its true.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

When he started comparing this game to the Star Wars sequels, I said "OH NO." Because I know that pain.

[@concretespecial9953]

That's a pain no person should ever have to endure.

[@sleepylad9829]

We will share our burdens and our pain

[@offdutyjie]

OBI-WAN! Youre our ONLY HOPE!

[@StephenBraudis]

Almost as painful as Dragon Ball Super?

[@inferno769]

@Mike Rotch Sequal fans: If you're not with me, then you're a misogynist

[@kub0taku]

- reviewing the good things: "it's good, but I can't show you" - reviewing the bad things: "its like the new star wars trilogy... and GoT last season" man that was brutal

[@J.J34]

JOEL DEAD after HE SAVE ABBY from WALKER... ABBY SAYS she have CAMP SITE, That's the place where GOLF CLUB Started... SAVING then KILL HIM... DOG SHIT STORY YOU EVER SEEN...

[@MasterLPG]

​@@J.J34 *Spam SPOILERS YongYea indeed ;)*

[@COUNTVLAIDMIR]

He is still uner NDA for the "good things though"

[@terrylandess6072]

This sounds like the reviews when Fallout 4 launched. So many of the same observation points based on prior releases vs the new release.

[@garretteckhardt6665]

@@J.J34 I mean, I didn't play the first game so your "spoilers" are just an incoherent sperg on the internet trying to make himself relevent. Please, at LEAST make the sentence readable in English

[@jackchambers2617]

I think we really underestimated the influence Bruce Straley had on the first game.

[@LTV746]

This times 1000

[@jolosarmiento7382]

we also gave way too much credit to Neil Druckmann

[@Riqq44]

How right you are times a million 💯

[@johnjoyce8964]

Re urru

[@skundini4999]

Druckmann is horrible

[@kurseng]

Joel Last of Us 1: “I struggled for a long time with surviving. And no matter what, you keep finding something to fight for.” Joel Last of Us 2: “Howdy stranger!! My names Joel! This is my brother, Tommy, who used to be the leader of the Fireflies! I killed the Fireflies and am in hiding, my town is just down the road. Mighty big guns y’all got, how come you’re all looking at me weird and locking the door? ‘Sounds like you heard about me’ ya, know Joel that’s my name!”

[@zanethezaniest274]

They literally dumbed him down to serve the plot, WTF NAUGHTYDOG

[@duckboiii4441]

Also, in the first game he sees a wounded man and fucking DRIVES him down because he is so experienced that he KNOWS he is a hunter. And in this game he just goes to some strangers hiding place? Bruh

[@jeffrenjr]

@@zanethezaniest274 Just like Luke Skywalker

[@tollelege5635]

*golf club tension rises

[@papadimo7711]

@@Gk9311 he wasn't they made him that dumb for "The Plot"

[@uuniin3622]

"We're not permitted to discuss any of the characters or events that take stage on the second half of the game" This pretty much confirms the shitty storyline that was leaked

[@Getreidekeks]

Dude it's common practice to have embargoes for the second half of anything in the entertainment industry lol

[@kengsus9517]

@@Getreidekeks yeah but that's dumb, like the game is out so it's fair game discussing the whole game (no pun intended). if it's out, you can talk about it however you want.

[@fionnmills5329]

Pazhang Azimi it’s not out, reviews get early copies

[@j.kol3491]

Pazhang Azimi it’s not out though.

[@habadasheryjones]

@@kengsus9517 That's dumb and never how reviews work. Imagine how pissed people would have been if they showed and talked about the epilogue for their review for RDR2. You probably only want him to talk about the spoilers because you read the spoilers. Game isn't out for week.

[@strikeforce1500]

I like how Skillup didn't break the NDA, but the entire review was just "look, I cannot confirm the leaks, *but* .."

[@DMrKunst2]

The written leaks are false

[@the6shadow]

@@DMrKunst2 what about the 2 hour gameplay that was leaked? dat fake too?XD

[@pepsibetter5311]

@PlayStationLab He literally said that the WRITTEN ones were false

[@jancurda7336]

@@pepsibetter5311 Weren't written leaks basically just description of what the cutscenes showed?

[@CTyler84]

They don't show Ellie die in the cutscenes, but the leaks imply that would happen, or at least set that up to be "about to happen" at the end of the game.

[@BubblyJubbly]

*Chad Joel:* “He ain’t even hurt.” *Virgin Joel:* “Hi, my name’s Joel! This is my brother Tommy! My social security number is...”

[@swag858]

...did you not experience Joel's arc? His hospitality is part of his growth, throughout the course of the first game he grows to be more selfless and regains his humanity through his developing bond with Ellie and by the end of it he's a much more vulnerable and human character. If he didn't have that bond with Ellie, if he stayed the same person he was in the beginning of Part 1, if he didn't open himself back up to the world and became a more empathetic person, he would not have trusted Abby for sure. But, that's only if he would've gone through the effort of saving Ellie, and if he were the same unempathetic and grizzled old man he was in the beginning, he would not have gone through with emptying that hospital for her sake.

[@Alelogin]

@@swag858 So the take out is that emotions and empathy are turning you into a fucking moron? Got it.

[@swag858]

@@Alelogin You can't even ensure that your response is grammatically correct. You have no right calling someone a moron. And uh, yeah, he doomed humanity, which is pretty fucking moronic if you ask me.

[@Alelogin]

@@swag858 You mean he saved a teenage girl from being murdered without her consent? By terrorists who were not sure they could even make the vaccine? (Im not a native speaker so spare me your fucking bullshit, mistakes happen.)

[@swag858]

@@Alelogin His motives were considerably more selfish than that, and in Part II they establish that Ellie would've been okay with it. Him trusting people who seemingly aren't attempting to harm him does not make him a moron, he trusted Sam and Henry pretty damn quickly after all. Guess Joel should just shoot every non-infected he sees like a boss 😎😎😎

[@peterryan284]

“Revenge is a fools game.”-Arthur Morgan

[@eddie_johnson8871]

“Revenge is a luxury we cannot afford”

[@lukehandley3466]

👏👏

[@stefangirbea982]

Read Dead mocks the idea of revenge and through the horrible, inevitable outcome, it shows that there is never any winning and there is no one who can grow from it. The Last of Us 2 seems to encourage it so that it can develop other characters upon the arrival of the revenge’s climax. It’s pathetic really.

[@John-X]

"I like Golf" ~ Abby

[@jtrillz3953]

I still miss Arthur til this day 😭

[@demetter7936]

He basically just confirmed the leaks by saying we won't like the game because of the 2nd half.

[@IconoclastX]

Because of the A B B Y S M A S H

[@getsomelogik]

The leak happens within the first two hours btw

[@victorfine5094]

Matthew Wilson Joel gets the tiger woods treatment

[@wulf8164]

@@victorfine5094 damn🤣🤣

[@weaverquest]

Nope. It is confirmed that Abby happens way earlier in the game

[@jorplays8713]

I can't stand this recent trend of taking beloved stories and either making us feel bad for loving them, or twisting them so badly that we can't recognize what we loved in the first place. It's such a cheap trick that story tellers use when they don't have anything unique to say; they only know how to react to something great that came before it.

[@rogerthat5679]

Star wars

[@christianr5658]

Like what other games ?

[@BlackCypher87]

Got s8

[@chestergloria3545]

Yeah, this game might be like reading a grimdark book. ESPECIALLY Joe Abercrombie's fantasy books, specifically Best Served Cold for those book nerds out there. Loved and enjoyed it, but by the end of it it kind of hurts to read because of what the characters are going through.

[@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646]

@@christianr5658 Mass Effect, Metal Gear, Halo ( 4 was good, 5 is dogshit), Wolfenstein, and many more.

[@ChristianNelsonn]

My biggest issue with the game was how halfway into the game you suddenly start playing as Abby. I immediately understood what the game was trying to do, which was subsequently confirmed by further research. Neil Druckmann wanted the player to empathize with Abby so that the weight of your actions as Ellie came heavily after everything you had to do to go after this girl. Unfortunately, I hated it. Forming a bond with Abby at that point was nigh impossible after all that's happened in the first game with Joel and Ellie and the way Abby brutally murdered him for it. I just couldn't give two shits about her or her friends at that point and wanted them all to die so that the story reached its conclusion. IF, however, Neil Druckmann was a bit more clever about it; if he had made us play as Abby right from the start, concealing the fact that the person we are after for revenge is our loved and beloved Joel all the while we are playing as her, helping her succeed in her quest, only to reveal the shocking truth and the bloody murder of Joel at her hands at the end, AND THEN started playing as Ellie halfway through the game would have made this a dramatically better story. 1- That is one hell of a twist and a massive shock for the audience. 2- It would actually have achieved Neil's aim of bonding us with Abby so that our revenge run as Ellie felt heavier and more impactful. It's not a bad game or a story per se, but I just felt disappointed with the way everything went down somehow. Can't help but feel the above solution would have made this a dramatically better narrative.

[@nels2106]

Totally agree- playing Abby first and not knowing about her would have been a significant improvement!

[@raggarex]

Fair and respectful point. But I think that would have given the game a specific angle adjacent to the one we do get. That angle is partly what you get with Ellie, and already got as Joel in the first game. You start with sympathy, etc. Knowing who Abby is theoretically shouldn't make a difference in the world because all the survivors have descended into chaos as people and as a society. Abby is really no different than Joel. Joel killing Abby's dad makes him the villain to Abby. And I think the point is to realize Abby's humanity as you play her. It goes on for a long time because it is something they anticipated would take a long time to come to grips with. And through that play you also see how Ellie's killing of Abby's clan just compounds her pain and rage. In the end I dont love the character of Abby like I do Ellie and Joel. But I sure learned to sympathize and empathize with her. But I also can see why that would be a hard thing to do for others. If you haven't already, check out Dunkeys review. It's actually a good counterpoint to this one.

[@ChristianNelsonn]

@@raggarex I forgot that I'm on the internet for a second, reading what turned out to be a fair and reasoned counterpoint to my perspective, rather than flaming and petty insults. Thanks for that! :)

[@raggarex]

@@ChristianNelsonn Well, I felt the same about your comment. I hope what I said made sense. The vitriolic reaction so many have had to a game that tries to get players to experience empathy in uncomfortable ways makes it a good example of how important stories like this are in helping people see a better way to live life. But video games also have the potential to transcend what novels and films can do by letting the player become the character or characters, themselves. Being able to actually control the character just brings the experience home in such a unique way. Cheers!

[@kingcal52]

Never thought about this, but I actually agree with you that that might have been the better option. Abby and her friends needed time to sit in the minds of gamers, and this way would have provided it. Neil underestimated the bond players had with Joel from the first game. To kill him (especially like that) and place us in the shoes of the one who did it…most people wouldn’t be able to empathize

[@johnallen6254]

Well as Kylo Ren said: “Let the past die. Golf club if you have to”

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

But when they start failing, "bring back the past. Retcon it if you have to".

[@nonesuchone]

Or the unforgettable Rose Tico’s “that’s how we’re gonna win; not by delivering relatable new characters, but by gaslighting you with the old ones :,)”

[@CoachCraigWest]

W 🤣

[@dumb5461]

Words of the woke

[@Hybris51129]

"I want every golf club we have directed at that misogynist."

[@matthewIhorn]

skill up: "i am not allowed to confirm a leaks...........Sony wont let me show footage from the second half of the game." me: confirmed

[@davido1632]

I just want you to know he said the same thing about tlou1 and he called death stranding. A masterpiece 😆

[@aanakiev]

@@davido1632 uhh and? Death Stranding is better than any naughty dog game (ps3 to current gen games).

[@teddywap9569]

Радишани VEVO -no one

[@ThexExaltedxOne]

Радишани VEVO lmfao. Holy shit you smoking bad weed.

[@davido1632]

Радишани VEVO gimme whatever ur smoking bruh, death stranding is garbage

[@mikvance]

KZbinrs: "I want to properly review this game." Sony: "No, then people won't buy it!" KZbinrs: "Why not, is something wrong with it?" Sony: (glances away)

[@yuzar9584]

It's because of massive spoilers that can ruin the gameplay since LOS relies heavily on the story 😂

[@themaing4451]

Sony: (blushes and glances away saying: ah, oneechan wa)

[@vids2002]

People don't realize if these reviews came out on day one, they would be allowed more freedom in what they can show. But what if a reviewer told the whole story and showed tons of important scenes in the game. A lot of people would be like "why even play this now except to complete it. I know the story now"

[@themaing4451]

@@vids2002 that's basically what I said in another comment. Sony knows full well naughty dog did a shit story so they purposely make it leak with reviewers having a limited access to the content they can publish from the game. So that they skip the shittiest parts of the story but let it known so people don't crash hell down the moment the game was released. People knowing early on by suspicion that the story is complete garbage reduces the impact of it when it's launched. It's a propaganda tactic to lighten what really matters at the end - Naughty dog did the shittiest storytelling of all time

[@asianhavoc1872]

Blame ND...Sony is just doing it for what they are.....A buisness!

[@chrisbyrneguitar]

The worst thing about this game for me is how desparate the developers seemed to get an emotional reaction for the sake of it. Without spoiling the story, there's a couple of moments where the story is trying to twist an emotional dagger into you to make you feel sad or guilty for what's happened, but it's so unnecessary that it took me out of the experience and made me angry that the developers went to such lengths to try and make me feel depressed at the end of the experience.

[@dildojizzbaggins6969]

*there're (the word "moments" is plural)

[@PixelPioneer23-q5p]

Can you tell which part you were talking about now ?

[@dakwonju]

@@PixelPioneer23-q5p I'll give you a couple of examples, one for forcing positive emotion, and one for negative. The part with Abby's dad trying to rescue the animal, such an obvious forced ploy to make you try to see what a good guy he is, and what a good girl Abby is. Second, when Ellie kills the pregnant girl, that was to force the feeling of what a terrible thing Ellie has done, unforgivable. This game is heavy handed, and distasteful, there is no nuance. Many will say it's provocative and daring, yet I say that is such an easy thing to do. Think of the most shocking scenario, and put into an entertainment medium.

[@johngrizis]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@dakwonju the game doesn't force you to feel anything. Ellie having that reaction after killing the pregnant woman makes complete sense, since she has someone close to her who is also pregnant, and has expressed her fear of losing her. Abby and her dad saving the zebra heavily reflects the scene from the first game where Joel and Ellie find the giraffe. The key difference is that Abby's encounter with the zoo animal is a lot more turbulent and violent than Ellie's, showing the difference of emotion between them during that time. If you really thought they did that to make you feel bad, you're probably forgetting the very next scene, where Abby's dad suggests they kill a 14 year old girl to develop a vaccine. If you get out of your own head about what the writers were doing, and focused more on the narrative, you would realise that Abby and her dad aren't portrayed as good people, they're just doing what they think is right, same as Joel and Ellie.

[@paledrake]

Skill Up: “This game is like the new Star Wars trilogy” Me: Oh...oh no.

[@Jon_EL]

What a clever way to say everything he needed to say

[@ogfisticuffs9678]

Yep

[@VulturePilot]

Jonathan Ellis pretty much, that trilogy is garbage

[@rafalgorski7711]

He compares it also to Season 8 of GOT...

[@TheRandomGamerMoments]

Rafal Gorski once he doubled down with GoT, I’m going to be laughing at how bad this story is

[@nogamerhere3909]

"Trying to introduce you to new characters and letting you sympathise for them". I know what exactly what he's talking about...

[@generalmaddox8389]

Yeah we didn’t even see Ish in the first game and we cared about him

[@TwoBlockAnime]

Tried and failed

[@tommysenior2871]

It's being treated as a seperate game by the makers .

[@danielraposo9778]

Last of it's M'am

[@nogamerhere3909]

@@generalmaddox8389 i got really invested in that story even tho it had nothing to do with the game.

[@DefaultS1]

Damn, sounds like Joel should have let them go on with the surgery......

[@kay_keik7842]

lol. that's what made it so great about the story in the first one. Joel's affection for ellie as his daughter and everyone talks about ellie being special but she wasn't special because she was immune. she was special because someone truly cared for her to the point of dooming the only chance to give humanity a chance for a cure. a happy bittersweet ending. this sequel was unneeded to an otherwise good game.

[@axelstone3131]

The idea of synthesising a cure from Ellie is nonsense. There is no way to mass produce a vaccine in the last of us. There are no working factories. There is no industry anymore. It would have never worked. Not only that how are they supposed to distribute it across the country? Not only would it not have worked Ellie would have died also. But at this point Joel probably should have let her die for nothing anyway. I’d also like to note the vaccine is more than likely useless for the majority of people who have been infected for a long time and fully transformed.

[@Angelthebwat]

Lol

[@Hilvarious]

@@axelstone3131 It would take a very long time to distribute the cure, like decades before things got close to normal, but they would have saved a portion of the world, yeah.

[@Devol101]

@@kay_keik7842 also because she was immune

[@expiredcoffee7991]

Abby: Who are you Tommy: I’m Sam. This is my brother Nathan.

[@Lord_ofcinder]

that wouldve been a more clever thing to do and cool callback

[@Diego35HD]

@@Lord_ofcinder Actually yes lol It'd be more believable and they could have their cover blown by Ellie and then they kill him, could have been a better moment, damn you Neil

[@miller-joel]

Abby: Did you say your bother's name was Joel? Tommy: No, you misheard me, I said Joe.

[@Cameron-yq5ug]

”It’s similar to the new Star Wars trilogy ” Oh....oh no...

[@aaronnievar7736]

I'm surprised there aren't gonna be more purple hair women running around.

[@daliilars3350]

It's got amazing reviews too. Don't only listen to one.

[@RaindeadHiro]

Fuck yeah that shit made my heart sink into my feet

[@petersmith5591]

Well IGN gave this game a 10/10 but I feel this review is more accurate. Thank you @skillup

[@AsalCristian0607]

@Bwa Bwa Yoshi All people who played it are saying it's a masterpiece...

[@abdelnajjar8191]

"If anyone is gonna like or dislike this game, it's probably going to be based off of the 12 or so hours of game that I'm not allowed to show in this video." Speaks for itself

[@idkcallmewhatever6211]

So yeah, Abby exists, and it's gonna suck

[@Hunterese123]

@@idkcallmewhatever6211 Get over it

[@leonardorodriguez425]

@@Hunterese123 So woke, Much stunning and brave!

[@DewaKrishna_]

@@Hunterese123 gEt oVEr iT

[@Iancreed8592]

@@Hunterese123 we are all over it already. Hence why nobody is going to buy this game. 72% of all pre orders were cancelled...sorry but the game is going to flop. And I'm glad.

[@MinersLoveGames]

"The central theme of this game is deconstruction. The game actively tries to deconstruct your memory of the characters from the first game." Oh no. Oh God.

[@blitzofwar5435]

That basically tells you everything you need to know. Glad I didn’t preorder the game sounds like the developers just took a huge shit on the legacy of the first game, such a shame.

[@markalken7976]

He's being way too kind. To think they delayed the release of Ghost of Tsushima for this.

[@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019]

Hey anyone wanna play golf? FOOOUR!

[@secretnewmeta1981]

Deconstruction is part of the radical's playbook. Look it up. This game is just another in a series of assaults meant to destroy culture.

[@vexbanearamori7224]

@@secretnewmeta1981 can confirm...see it on reddit all the time.

[@naqahdah]

I actually ended up losing the final "battle" a couple times. Was it because it was hard? No. I was just hoping for some alternative to what the developers were forcing me to do. By the end of the game, I was so sick of how desperately the developers wanted everyone in that game to just be awful that I was done... sitting there thinking "can't any of you show even a sliver of the humanity that the first game delivered so well?" Nope.

[@simquinoa2030]

What? There’s literally no sliver of humanity in the first game

[@kokdolfn]

@@simquinoa2030 buddy did NOT play the game💀💀💀☠☠☠☠☠

[@JordyShowWalks]

"I can't confirm that any of the leaks that I would hate to be true are true about the second half of the game.....I hated the second half of the game due to reasons I can't confirm"

[@clear5136]

silence peasant the check I got from Sony clearly states that this game is a 10/10

[@philwhatever3903]

JordyShow naughty dogs tweet confirms everything today. A rambling about how its pride weekend and how fully they support and are proud of the LGBT community. Which is great however they have turned comments off! They have let the majority paying customer down to make a statement about the minority.

[@savagegiraffe1]

Well it got a 96 on metacritic.

[@TheAssassinsfan2234]

savagegiraffe1 paid reviews lol

[@606hunter1]

savagegiraffe1 and the newest season of doctor who has positive critic scores but about 10% audience rating. Not saying the game is awful (cause I haven't played it) but many things receive scores they didn't earn (from critics and fans).

[@Goodboyobito]

"if someone doesnt like this game its probably because the latter half of the game, and sony doesnt want me to talk about that part" thats not shady at all lol

[@RevanBC]

Tell you all you need to know

[@osaydhussein258]

well everyone knows the reason

[@farhan007]

When did people become such idiots. Media publishing companies having embargoes of story spoilers is a common practice.

[@Barni2212]

The part when the MAAM gets into the business XD

[@gelul12]

Blake R. Calm down industry bot

[@dutchvanderlinde5256]

Have faith, my son. The disappointment brought by this game will provide the perfect distraction for us to slip away to Tahiti. By the time all the leaks are confirmed and everyone regrets there ever being a sequel, we will be living large at paradise.

[@TerrorDoFlamengo]

So That's The Plan? Amazing Dutch, amazing

[@tiktokstars3646]

While the civilized world burns we'll just be farming mangoes

[@ARISSAJAD]

Howdy dutch

[@MrREAPERsz]

The man with the plan has spoken, thanks Dutch.

[@k.a.tproductions2713]

@Dutch I have faith Dutch...faith that this game can go screw itself..

[@howardmueller1535]

Bruce ( the game director for part 1) is who probably kept neil’s writing in check. With bruce gone, neil had no one to tell him, “wtf dude! No!” 😂

[@709mash]

Bruce was in charge of the mechanics and dev side, not story.

[@discogypsyfish9577]

@@709mash let him have his fan fiction

[@iamperson7943]

@@discogypsyfish9577 Its not fanfiction though. A lot of the roles that Bruce Straley and Neil Druckman had overlapped they said it themselves in a 2013 Empire Review and further emphasized it in their 2014 reddit ama. Plus there are a lot more players that come to mind when it comes to the story and characters, for example in the directors commentary Neil himself believed Joel to be a character that didn't care at all about Tess. Troy Baker took a different approach and made Joel care about Tess, but not really show it and thats what stuck. Another thing Neil Druckman planned for the first game was to have Tess go hunting Joel cross country because Joel betrayed her in some way. This idea was scrapped by the current Naught Dog president Evan Wells and a plethora of other people on the time. The point I'm getting at is Neil was not the sole writer of the first game, saying he was is the fan fiction.

[@discogypsyfish9577]

@@iamperson7943 didn't say he was but thanks anyways x

[@Manthathasspiderlikepowers]

@@iamperson7943 you’re saying a bunch of nothing. It’s obvious in all forms of entertainment influences poor in and suggests get raised by lots of hand working on it. But Neil was in charge. Y’all are just still upset that you didn’t get a happy or predictable story with Joel.

[@JoshC104.]

To bad you couldn't talk about the golf mini game in this.

[@Bloodbathx01x]

🤣🤣🤣

[@connordorman117]

It is a shame I hear it’s mind blowing.

[@corruza]

censorship

[@DantesInferno96]

🤣🤣

[@djweld6339]

@@connordorman117 ITS MA'AM!

[@Jose-se9pu]

A completely shallow "revenge is bad, you know" story.

[@loluntilmypie]

Which kicks off around a character everyone hates getting revenge and then being the better off for it versus Ellie who is left with even less than what she started with.

[@reggiewatts7728]

Revenge stories can be done really well if done right, New Vegas when you’re shot in the head, robbed and left for dead just trying to do your job it makes you want to find that punk ass bitch that shot you with a 9mm. When I first got to the casino to confront Benny I had my big guns ready, all saved up, grenades and flamethrower a blazing in my black combat armor I melted everyone in the casino including that prick. It was incredibly satisfying and I’ll never forget it, denying the player that revenge is not the point of a game, it may make you think more but your certainly not going to be as satisfied as letting emotion take over and dealing with the consequences of your choices.

[@stevensmileyprod]

@@reggiewatts7728 I didn't feel the same way with Fallout new Vegas. I didn't really care about revenge. Which is weird because I usually RP, although maybe that's partly why. And because I didn't mainline the story and did a lot of side stuff. That's the problem with Bethesda games. They have a story that is supposed to be urgent yet you can get lost for a hundred hours doing side stuff. Still though Fallout New Vegas was amazing and had amazing writing.

[@theclawyaww3740]

I get what you are saying but did you now "violence begets Violence"

[@n3r0n3]

Not true at all.. I can list a dozen Korean movies that are totally about vengeance and are just sensational, starting from Park Chan Wook's. Apart from the fact that the Apocalypse, arguably the most intriguing part of the bible, is ultimately a revenge story. It all depends on how you structure your story (I still did not play the game so I am not sure in this case).

[@TheMan21892]

To anyone wondering how true the leaks were?? Well, just look below... Confirmed by multiple people who have broken their NDAS: Joel dies 2 hours in, by suddenly going from badass survivor to emo moron (VERY new Star Wars treatment of Luke) just to set up the opportunity for Abby to Joel in One him with a golf club. Abby eventually beats Ellie and her girlfriend almost to death (after you're forced to play Joel's killer for a good 1/4th to 1/3rd of the damn game) but leaves them alive to suffer. Months later Ellie tracks her down (because Druckman wants to beat you over the head worse than Joel was with 'hur-dur revenge be bad'!) And they fight, Ellie wins but Abby bites a few of her fingers off. Ellie is stopped from killing her by a vision of Joel playing guitar so she spares Abby. Then goes home and tries to play the guitar but can't because her fingers are gone. THAT is the story they're giving 10/10 for and the one that was apparently worth ruining Joel and Ellie for all of us who actually liked them in the 1st one. If this pisses you off, make sure to spread the word and maybe a few more people will be spared wasting money on this garbage.

[@SkyStar997]

holy sweet mother.... that is just terrible

[@jessicaabel3481]

Yep this is the story pretty much. I feel like the story in Minecraft is more solid than this piece of garbage.

[@MeeSanFrancisco]

@@jessicaabel3481 Bittersweet dude, your comment hilarious the reality of it sucks!

[@jessicaabel3481]

@@MeeSanFrancisco I hate when people try to push me their agenda. In canada to buy a ps4 or xbox game w/e you gonna spend 85$ with taxes. I feel like alot of people will be robbed. There is always the Blind fan that will like everything of someone even if it destroy someone.

[@pingus9934]

Tbh im still buying it

[@slider5275]

comparing it to the sequel trilogy in Star Wars and season 8 of GoT is enough to make me avoid this game like COVID.

[@bradhaines3142]

corona isnt that bad, not even close

[@xemnufromthemagicplanet1678]

@@bradhaines3142 ah yes, I remember the hundreds of thousands of husbands and wives that the star wars sequel trilogy killed. And all those poor children left without family after GoT season 8 left their relatives gasping for air, desperate to avoid death.

[@bradhaines3142]

@@xemnufromthemagicplanet1678 yeah all the people it didnt kill, so i guess its the same

[@miller-joel]

Except this is worse. Star Wars are movies you watched. This was an interactive story where you had the characters in your hands. Yes, the story was linear, you but were Joel, and you were Ellie.

[@MrLobran]

"TLOU2 reminds me of Last Jedi and Game of Thrones..." Oh no.

[@ellardkurvin1459]

the lack of Joel in this review just confirms my worst fears about the game

[@eagle0114]

Ya like golf?

[@axelstone3131]

Ellard Kurvin Joel in one

[@lanorzar725]

Joel is a straight up side character 😂

[@omarrivera5848]

There was a review that literally ONLY mentions the story as "Ellie's story." Joel was never in the picture, not even interferring in any way. So yeah... He won't be in the game for much. And based on what Skill Up said in his review, it seems the game will have a deconstruction of his character rather than an improvement.

[@t.h.2784]

Omar Rivera Yeah it really feels like they’re Clubbing the point home doesn’t it

[@libertyprime9307]

"There's a quote from TLoU that goes 'When you're lost in the darkness, look for the light.' TLoU2 is completely lost in the darkness, because... there's no light to look for." Damn bro.

[@antoineoubary8576]

TLOU2 also have good quotes: "The sequel was not as good".

[@rifpana9041]

"Better than getting drunk and watch anime" :v

[@IngvarMar]

Liberty Prime I’d say those flashbacks with Joel were the “light” in the game.

[@damp2269]

@@IngvarMar those were very tiny sparks on a very dark tale. on the first one you had ellie's attitude, joel & ellie talking, joel's friend, the brothers, the giraffe encounter. even the part with Abby before everything happened, is happy but is not about making the player happy is just to add darkness to the events. honestly when i heard the quote in the game, i put on my best Nathan Drake voice and said: i'm blind here naughty dog.

[@entertainmentforthedead]

@@rifpana9041 how dare you compare anime to this atrocity....................lol this game was so bad.

[@GU1TARD3MON]

I haven’t struggled so hard to finish a game in my life.

[@sebastiangarcia6103]

Lool how long take you to finish it?

[@DecimalD_]

Same. I was completely exhausted by the game by the 12-14 hour mark. I didn’t want to play anymore. It was a brutal additional 14 hours to play through. It made me hate the game so much.

[@astronomical3342]

Have you played days gone?

[@robreich6881]

@@DecimalD_ Giving this game GOTY was a giant slap in the face to every real gamer.

[@hector-nu6gl]

@@robreich6881 the real game of the year is ghost of tsushima.

[@RaynaWinters]

So many damn people screaming about "You can't take the leaks at face value because they lack context!"... Man does the context I saw in a long playthrough of this actually make the leaks so much worse. Like I thought the leaks were the pinnacle of bad but man does the game think it's clever all the way through.

[@carsondiaz667]

@@anntauz7890 They think they are genius too😂😂

[@capthavic]

I had only heard a summary of the plot leaks but now I've seen them in context and it really is so much worse. Damm they did Joel and Ellie dirty, and for what? A 20+ hr "Revenge is bad, m'kay?" lecture?

[@WiSHNUKEs]

and all the top game raters are given this a 10/10. what a fucking joke

[@rufiokiddOfficial]

“It reminded me of Game of Thrones Season 8” That’s all I needed to hear *packs up bag and walks away*

[@13_faces]

Atleast thrones never tried ramming a libtard agenda down my throat and didn't contrive the entire show around an agenda

[@mikev8746]

@@13_faces I thought they did lol? All the women in the show are fucking strong and telling the men to shut up. They are also all angry, Deanyrys (or however you spell that white haired girls name) was fucking angry in the later episodes from what I've seen. I never really watched the show closely but I did see the first couple seasons and I stopped right around the time when that shit went liberal. I'm not sure how movie and game writers think its realistic for a highly rough and dangerous environment like the one in GoT or TLOU would facilitate strong and empowered women taking center stage. Not to sound like an absolute sexist but I know for a fact that any woman that would attempt this would get absolutely curb stomped and worse.. That's not me venting angry dribble, you can observe more backwards countries in the world right now to witness this phenomena first hand. Women have absolute nothing to say on the matter and they all fall in line pretty quick. The rare vocal one better have something to back it up with like being related to an even more powerful man because if she isn't, well just imagine every possibility going through your head right now. All of them would happen. It's just not realistic and just because our messed up society has progressed to give women great amounts of freedom, appreciation and respect doesn't mean other societies would do so. Especially those more geared toward basic survival rather than prosperity. Sometimes it feels like the people making these shows and games have very little real life experience. Because it seems so obvious to the normal everyday man and woman out there but they struggle to get it.

[@martinlucas7309]

"ight I'mma head out"

[@mountain_manmoto5566]

@@13_faces never? You stop watching season 4 or 5?

[@farhan007]

Do you guys get looked at funny by the general public outside the internet when you discuss the evils of SJW influences while in line at Chipotle? Wait, who am I kidding. You people don't go to restaurants with other people.

[@Raxen95]

"I won't confirm or deny the leaks", followed by "Sony told me I can't talk about the second half of the game." Oh, so the leaks were true then is what you're saying.

[@Reav00]

The leaks made apparant the story was shit, he says the story is shit so yeah.

[@mu9617]

Your comment is an infinite loop. lmao

[@GrimJackal]

Um, what companies allow reviewers to spoil the second half of their game? This is typical of reviews. If it worries you that much wait for Skill Ups post-release video in a week.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@@GrimJackal He played the entire game. His opinion is not going to change. The game's trash.

[@Mr.Scott86]

@@DonVigaDeFierro I think he means that he'll make another video after the game comes out since at that point everyone will be able to buy the game

[@DeborahChangMD]

Loved the gameplay of part 2. Fucking HATED the story. For about the last 10 hours or so I was just miserable playing it, fucking hated playing as Abby, and honestly at one point Ellie was starting to become unenjoyable as well. I loved the gameplay but holy shit the story got to the point where I just wanted to turn it off, because I honestly feel with how Druckmann treated these characters and story that everybody loved so much, he didn’t earn my time with this game. He sacrificed character and emotion in genuinely good and down to earth story telling, for pretentious attempts at teaching some sort of half baked and unearned lessons to the player for just wanting to play the game and see these characters treated well. It was just depressing. By the time the Santa Barbara section hit, I was so irritated and just annoyed with this terrible fucking story that I just speed ran it. By the last 10 hours of the game, I just didn’t care anymore. With the first game, I cared about these characters the whole way through, and I cared for the relationship and retribution that they felt between each other. How could they just decide to throw that away, throw everything away, and just genuinely carelessly handle them. I played part 2 with a couple of friends and we genuinely had to pass the controller to even be able to enjoy it. It was a fun game when I was playing it with them, because we couldn’t take it seriously, I think because we all refused to since we all loved the first game and started to hate part 2. But when the credits rolled, all three of us just sat in silence for a couple of minutes, saddened, distraught, confused, frustrated, and disappointed. Then we all shared our thoughts, and for every positive we had, there were about 3 or 4 negatives.

[@DakotaofRaptors]

I feel like Abby's story was the most contrived, and frankly, I couldn't care for anybody there.

[@self-parternerd8661]

SONY: "A honest review? Add SkillUp to the list of persons who are not receiving an advanced Rachet and Clank for PS5!"

[@Nsxeel]

a girl Rachet in a different universe, aha ha.

[@self-parternerd8661]

@@Nsxeel And Clank the non-binary robot!

[@damageinc.5458]

That game looks like shit anyways, just like this one. Who cares...

[@alxzen1127]

😂

[@boog7429]

@@damageinc.5458 How does it look like shit? Do you just not like rachet and clank in general?

[@untitled4841]

Review embargo lifts. ND: "but don't talk about story." Fans: "so it's true lol kthxbai."

[@longlostlord]

basically lmaoo

[@thoryon7767]

You can talk about anything, except the bad things, dont talk abt those lmao

[@iwantgoals1566]

ND are basically telling us that they’re ashamed of the ending. Sad times.

[@XProjectHunterX]

Then what's the point of lifting the review if they are going to try to dictate what can and can't be said lol

[@farhan007]

@@iwantgoals1566 can you show me a media publisher that gave early access to their movie, tv show or game for review purposes that didn't give a story spoiler embargo?

[@patana256]

The Last Of Us 2? What's that? As far as I'm concerned the game ended with Joel and Ellie driving off into the distance.

[@sccanj]

And live happily ever after, in a post apocalyptic world right? Some of you may need to stick to watching Disney movies

[@azazellon]

Bruh. Sometimes making a sequel isn't the better option. Sometimes people don't need, or want, a sequel.

[@shaquezr.9541]

Azuel Zorro true they didn’t have to make the game, the original is already an relic

[@no.402]

@@sccanj The first game's ending was ambiguous for a reason, moron.

[@mcm3490]

@@sccanj Anyone who played the first game and loved it doesn't have a problem with darker subject matter. I have an issue with it being a basic revenge plot with some characters making dumb decisions that go against self-preservation and common sense all for the sake of adding drama and shock value. But I guess it's fine if you leave your brain at the door like you would for a cheap horror flick.

[@herbg4866]

Didn’t like the emotional manipulation in the game, was laboured

[@TheYourGod666]

They literally forbidden to talk about other half of the game, can't make this shit up.

[@98Dreadboy]

It's not like we don't know lmao, sony couldn't hide the leaks we know the game goes south.

[@6ixlxrd]

@@98Dreadboy After watching IGN's review give this game a 10/10 and feeling like an alien, I feel so at home here with you guys. No homo.

[@OSeanSanO]

This is normal for review copies prior to the release of the game though albeit its probably more strict in this case considering all the crap that went down with the leaks. However it doesn't even really save the damage that was already done lol

[@karolisbaranovas3675]

Maybe too early to judge I think ill spend 60 dollars on Jedi fallen order rather than this

[@807D14M0ND5]

This seems like normal review copy procedure.

[@dra6ke]

"If you're sensitive to spoilers, you shouldn't watch." Um that ship's sailed.

[@LuckyLuch1]

That golf clubs been swung

[@Dante-uj5pc]

Zach F lmaoooo excellent

[@thekunninglinguist2397]

Abby Smash

[@HazeyMarina]

That cookie has been baked

[@hoshi314]

*evil mad scientist sounding like mephisto from Diablo voice mode engage* YOU ARE TOO LATE! I HAVE KNOWN WHAT MUST BE HIDDEN! I HAVE SEEN THE FALL OF THIS GAME FROM MILES AWAY!

[@ryanwelch705]

“How do i review the story without spoiling it? Its like disney star wars and got season 8” now thats how you say its crap without saying its crap, i am so glad i cancelled the pre order now

[@holysecret2]

hahaa

[@psyched.shelby5391]

Pre ordering these days is so pointless anyway right? Preordering used to be necessary back during the good ol days of Gamestop physical copies. now i can just buy it digitally at midnight. I remember being hyped for Dead Island and went to like 4 different gamestops and none of them had a copy. Nowadays if you want a copy just buy it digitally lol. Man I love the future

[@Barnimations]

GoT season 8 is a MOOD. Damn.

[@baddog3211]

@Diogen Hit the nail with that comment. CDPR is just on another level right now, so glad there's a studio like them around!

[@marty3020]

i was genuinely only keeping my ps4 around for last of us 2 since I play on PC now, then i found out about the story spoilers and I sold my ps4 so fucking fast. No regrets at all

[@tylermitchell8649]

The museum flashback mission was the best part for me. It reminded me what made TLOU 1 so amazing which was the relationship/banter between Ellie and Joel and to take that away from the get go in this game was so dumb.

[@miller-joel]

Except...Joel had already been sadistically tortured and killed, so they didn't even let you enjoy the flashback. They gave you a taste of what you and everyone else wanted, but they had to poison that, too.

[@hoodironyyy]

@@miller-joel what? Would you want a wholesome chungus 100 story where Ellie and Joel are just playing guitar and stuff? That would be awful. It's the apocalypse ffs.

[@miller-joel]

@@hoodironyyy That's the only thing you can think of? How sad. We wanted more of what we saw in the original story. We wanted that relationship to keep progressing. It wasn't puppies and rainbows in the original, it didn't have to be puppies and rainbows in the second one. But if it had to be 20+ hours of scenes like the visit to the museum, I would take that over the garbage we got, every time.

[@_aullik]

@@miller-joel Joels death could have been a part of the story. Maybe not in the first ~10 minutes tho. Give the whole Abby introduction with her dad before you kill him. The revenge story in itself is not bad, it could have been part of the game. The biggest problem the game has and why you either hate it or "love" it is the Abby part. It is loaded with so many tropes to make it hard to publicly state you hate Abby. It makes this game feel like an abusive relationship where everything is perfect, you just "fell down the stairs". This clearly shows in the 10/10 reviews out there.

[@miller-joel]

@@_aullik It could have been done in a million better ways. Even if you love Abby, and I can't imagine why, you'd have to be completely blind to the endless plot holes, pacing, and other problems with it.

[@GameNerd346]

"The best comparison I have for this game is the new Star Wars Trilogy" "-reminded me of Game of Thrones Season 8" Say no more. That's all I need to know.

[@AustinPritchard]

What im really hearing is that people are mad because it didn’t turnout like they wanted so boohoo.. At the end of the day ND gets to choose how they carry Their story.

[@standardreplicantKD6-3.7]

@@AustinPritchard yea but they shouldn't be surprised when they put all focus on identity politics and representation rather than good storytelling. They shouldnt be surprised when they fire all the talented people just because they had their own opinions. They did this to themselves.

[@weirdsecretsexyninja]

@@AustinPritchard No man people are sick of being spoonfed an overwhelming amount of political agenda bs in their games which nobody asked for, and on top of that, those games aren't even well written or enjoyable to boot. They have no respect for their franchise, no respect for the main characters and most of all no respecc for their fans - they've clearly proven that the last couple of months by blatantly violating the law to hide the spoilers of their go woke go broke project. Fucking degenerates. I hope the game fails as bad as the new Star Wars Disney movies did. That's they only thing they deserve.

[@PK_Scratch]

@@AustinPritchard That's a rather close minded and highly selective viewpoint... Try to think about how other people think and why they might think or feel certain ways.

[@comandercarnis]

@@PK_Scratch no no he's got a point

[@jackstoutamore8541]

“If you like the new Disney trilogy, you’ll like The Last of Us 2” Oh no

[@karolisbaranovas3675]

Welp, at least lou 2 and sequel trilogy have one thing in common: both are non-canon fanfiction

[@duckboiii4441]

Karolis Baranovas I wish Game Of Thrones could be the same. Ever since beloved fan favourite Stannis the Mannis died, the show crumbled. And since the books aren’t finished yet, or worse ever, we won’t know the true ending

[@raam726]

Which Disney trilogy?

[@anonymousanon9901]

@@raam726 Star Wars sequel trilogy.

[@nakulgandhi654]

I don’t really think it’s fair to compare them. Disney completely threw out the story that George Lucas gave them. TLOU2 has the same director, but goes in a different direction than the 1st. A lot of elements are actually very similar to the 1st one still. I’m playing it and it’s not as bad as everyone is saying. Actually a lot of fun

[@najib9093]

Star Wars 8: The Last Jedi got around 97% on Rotten Tomatoes when it was first released despite ruining characters that the fan base loved and destroying the story. So just because TLOU2 got bombarded with scores of “100”, it doesn’t mean that the story and characters of the franchise didn’t get ruined.

[@TheLastWanderingBard]

Yeah but the Naughty Dog fanboys in denial can't seem to accept this. It would literally crush their make-believe world. Much like TLJ though, I imagine once a few years have passed, more and more people will acknowledge how damaging it was, especially if Naughty Dog don't manage to mend their PR after this.

[@Brando0406]

Been telling people this all day. Strange how all of a sudden mainstream reviewers are trustworthy.

[@Usagi1992]

YEP, the raging *hate-boner* episode 8 still gets is astonishingly ignorant.

[@najib9093]

Usagi1992 It’s not ignorant. The hate for Star Wars 8 is justified.

[@thewayiseeit6398]

Yeah, except last jedi is actually the best made film since empire and the fans are for the most part adult-children who can't seem to take into account subtext, meaning and depth. They stuff popcorn in their mouths while waiting to be served the next lightsaber fight because they think that's all star wars is about. Last jedi is a fucking hallmark and it treats every character with the utmost respect. It does new and interesting things and it has something to say about humanity, myth, legacy and failure and how these things bind humanity. But all people can do is cry about space fuel and claim Luke was ruined because they think he's infallible and should swing his lightsaber around in a dumb prequel-style lightsaber fight. Because, you know.. the man who literally tossed his lightsaber away to save his evil father from darkness should TOTALLY have a pointless lightsaber fight. Fucking stupid.

[@FreshFried]

Imagine return of the Jedi comes out, and in the first half hour, Luke gets killed off by a stormtrooper. The rest of the movie follows Princess Leia trying to get revenge on the stormtrooper. People wanted/deserved a better story

[@MichaelSSJ3]

🤣🤣🤣

[@miller-joel]

Luke is killed because he walks into the most obvious ambush in the history of ambushes. And he's not just killed. He's sadistically tortured to death, in front of Leia. Leia, after killing half the Empire, finds the Stormtrooper and lets him go.

[@-Ryu]

"It's like the last Jedi" Meh, Not that serious, could be playable "And Game of thrones Season 8" *Calls 911* Edit: DAMN. the replies got intense, No wonder YT didn't notify me, But hey, What I meant wasn't that GOT was worse than TLJ, I just meant that a game being compared to both is an Avengers level threat

[@guy8360]

Last Jedi was far worse than GoT season 8

[@theasianmixer-7249]

@GobMyGob 64 The Last Jedi was basically one giant shitstorm of a movie.

[@NucleaRaptor]

GoT s8 was terminal metastatic incompetence. TLJ was straight-up hateful moviemaking. It deliberately went out of its way to flip the bird to the long-time fans.

[@jasonc9097]

@@guy8360 the hell it was... dumb and dumber royally fucked that great series up. Worst, most sloppy and lazy writing ever.. Almost every bogus script leaks building up to the final season were better than Dan and daves closure of a song of ice and fire. 🤦‍♂️

[@mgpsuazo]

@@guy8360 the difference (and what I think he means when he said that) is that everyone thought that got season 8 will be at the same or higher quality level than the rest of the series and it just went down, star wars 7 didn't put the expectations to high and the disappointment was because it was an star wars movie

[@kagenotatsumaki]

"I won't confirm or deny the leaks." "I can't talk about the second half of the game, the story or the characters, nothing." Yeah but that just confirms the leaks now doesn't it? Lol

[@markanthony.]

This is standard practice though? Nobody wants spoilers from pre-release reviews unless they weren't interested in the game in the first place.

[@gamemeister2905]

Not particularly? Name ONE game that has allowed anyone to spoil the big moments of the game before the game released. What's that? You can't? Huh, strange.

[@jgadiaz]

They leaks have always been true and everybody giving it 10/10 just proves the game is what the leaks told us.

[@Zindanx]

@@markanthony. I think so, but given the actions of Sony/ND after the Story leaks, even if the reviewers wanted to make a spoiler review, they weren't allowed to do so if they wanted to make a review at all.

[@Shockwave99999]

No it doesn’t. He’s just saying he can’t talk about them. No one could. If he did, the video would probably get taken down

[@anomalyinc3239]

RED FLAG "Some may find the characters challenged like they were in the star wars sequel trilogy" DOUBLE RED FLAG "Reminded me of Game of thrones season 8"

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

Hell yeah my boy Anomaly, seeing you here is a suprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

NOMZ !!!!!

[@darksidegryphon5393]

Oh hi there!

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

@@darksidegryphon5393 shoulda said hello there

[@KunoichiPeri]

Anomaly Inc sigh...at least GoT could have been good if given more time and episodes to work with....THIS shit stain..and Star Wars however we’re doomed from the start!

[@simonwoods2169]

"The truth is... the game was rigged from the start" - An actual well written and funny post-apocalyptic game.

[@HelloKolla]

Nice NV reference there. Too bad Chris Avellone wasn't involved in TLOU2. Would have been WAYYY better.

[@chrismoore4724]

Fallout New Vegas is truly amazing

[@capthavic]

"people who liked the new Star Wars trilogy will like this" Me: oof...

[@TheSlammurai]

Damned By Faint Praise

[@keelanbarron928]

Even though that is wrong since i don't like the game.

[@slvrcobra1337]

That's probably the most damning thing anyone could say about anything. Just from that alone, it's enough for me to steer very clear of this game.

[@LieutenantAlaki]

That's an interesting way of putting it, considering it implies the sequel trilogy is a cohesive whole with literally any sort of consistency across all three movies besides a few names and crew members. Abrams' and Johnson's directing styles go together like oil and water. Or is that the joke?

[@dekardkain5469]

@@LieutenantAlaki They're saying this: just like the Star Wars trilogy went out of it's way to ruin the characters and legacy of the original, so does this game do that to part 1. Simple enough?

[@markdsm-5157]

Chance of Skill Up getting a review copy of Last of Us III : 0%

[@ModusAm]

As it seems, this is probably going to be also the chance for a 3rd installment to even exist.

[@heretic124]

@Mark Collins Yup, just like third movie in new SW trilogy... or rewatches of Game of Thrones.

[@Yaboysmoke22]

Let’s hope TLOU 3 never actually happens, naughty dog need to make a new ip

[@markdsm-5157]

@@ModusAm Ah but then you don't understand the nature of the beast. The game may bomb, but if enough SJWs praise it then it's all worth it. A new spin on 'get woke go broke' - 'get woke, it's worth going broke'.

[@djhottok]

@Mark Collins Don't be naive this game will sell like crazy (I'm not buying it I'm not even a fan of the first one so don't call be a "fanboy' just a realist.

[@theheavenlyfb4071]

Honestly, I'd like to see this re-reviewed. Not the actual review itself though, I think reviewing this again when you're able to talk about spoilers would make your point a lot more clear. It's plain to see that you're restricted too heavily in terms of what you can and can't say, it'd be fascinating to see the real examples rather than this corporate peep show you're forced to endure.

[@SofamireGames]

Please! I'm curious to know more in-depth about the issues when you're able to share.

[@Neo-cj1im]

We don’t need a re-reviewed we all know the spoilers and you can tell he did not like the game so...

[@weaverquest]

Ralph has said on Twitter that he decided not to do a spoiler review of TLOU II because he doesn't like the overall reaction and discussion surrounding this video.

[@deetsitmeisterjd]

@@weaverquest The discussion that he's the only right person and now he's in the firing line he's scared and wants to back off? Why did he review it in the first place then?

[@weaverquest]

@@deetsitmeisterjd Yeah the reasoning he gave for not doing a spoiler review doesn't make much sense ti me but I think the real reason is either: -He strongly dislikes the game and doesn't want to further spend time or work on it, or -After seeing the the glowing reviews from the vast majority, he doesn't want to further rag on a game that most people might enjoy.

[@delicatedirector3694]

bro its been years and every time i see ellie my heart just drops like you thinking about a loved one thats passed. no other game has done this to me, i miss all the characters so much

[@BritBox777]

Thankfully, this character doesn't look or act like Ellie at all, so it's really easy to ignore! They can change the titles all they like, but there's only one TLOU game.

[@STOPTHECLOWNS581]

Easy life alert

[@prw56]

What the other guy said, when you have a terrible piece of media, especially a sequel to something that already had an end, I just call it "official 'fan' fiction" and pretend it doesn't exist. Incidentally there are only 3 star wars movies.

[@delicatedirector3694]

The original game was the best, but I think for me the last of us 2 was the first game i played that didn't care about the characters and just ruined all of their lives during the course of the game. It was just heart breaking all the way through, and when you thought it wouldn't get worse, it did. I have just never played such a big game where they didn't care about the characters at all and took 100% freedom on the end of a story.

[@Stonk_Dude]

Bruh, this isn't a review it is a warning.

[@6ixlxrd]

This isn't a warning, this is providence.

[@kasmidjan]

@@6ixlxrd this is no providence this is enlightenment

[@WATCHAL3X]

@@kasmidjan this isn't enlightenment, this is yo momma

[@TheNanofiber]

Well a bad review is a warning in a way to not buy it 🤷‍♂️

[@6ixlxrd]

@@WATCHAL3X This isn't yo momma, this is SPARTA!

[@slicksouthpaw1350]

“You need to press start for the game to begin.” *IGN: 10/10*

[@theblackbaron4119]

Couldn't get past the start screen * Polygon 7/10*

[@friedrice7876]

Couldn't pass the Cuphead tutorial IGN: Dean/10

[@Gyrbae]

"It really makes you feel guilty about being a straight white male." IGN: 10/10

[@theblackbaron4119]

@@friedrice7876 Maybe i remembered that wrong but wasn't that the guy from Polygon that couldn't beat the cuphead tutorial? Also someone from polygon wasn't capable of using a controller while playing DOOM 2016.

[@friedrice7876]

@@theblackbaron4119 Doom Eternal*

[@ararepotato1420]

"It's like the new trilogy." So it takes established characters and changes their established personality into something shallow and insulting, it is insulting to long time fans, characters make stupid decisions, real life political themes that are condescending pushed down our throats, and the game tries to hard to have plot twists and shocking moments. "And GoT season 8." Oh, so the game leads you in a cirtian direction and completely throws in a twist or suprise at the very end that will make people mad. It is makes characters do things they never would in the first one, It is a poorly written and rushed mess that is a blight on an otherwise good 2 games. This game isn't looking very good honestly. No wonder Sony has been so tight lipped about this game.

[@Vitury4]

THIS

[@ariezon]

pretty accurate

[@naterardin8053]

@ oh boo hoo, Sony doesn't enable racism. That's really the hill you're gonna die on?

[@dalek--ck9oy]

@@naterardin8053 more along the line of BRAND wants you to think they are not doing crazy shit and so will say anything for PR while not actually giving a fuck and acting like they did anything at all

[@ayrik6588]

The most perfect review while simultaneously predicting the state of the Last of Us fan base. Fantastic video.

[@CatTrauma]

Funny 🤡

[@Steroyd666]

"This game is a deconstruction of what you loved of the original like the Disney Star Wars Trilogy" Me: "aight I'mma gonna head out"

[@jamestyler3606]

Or like the whisperers of fate in the Final Fantasy 7 Remake.

[@DogInatutu]

@@jamestyler3606 Ill take Nomuras wild ride over this shit any day.

[@jamestyler3606]

@@DogInatutu They're both the same. Nomura's dumb plot device negates the core theme of the orignal which is loss. By bringing by Zack they completely negated his death. What next, we're going to bring back Aerith to subvert expectations and she waifu?

[@DrDemoman74]

@@jamestyler3606 one is political the other is anime, chill

[@tomekmachowski764]

Good, because I love the Disney Star Wars.

[@kevinbruner9588]

If my brother destroyed a military faction and was a famous, wanted man, and EVERYONE knew him, and the survivors of said faction were ACTIVELY hunting him, AND I WAS HARBORING THE ONLY IMMUNE PERSON EVER, the last thing I’d do is use my brothers real name in front of strangers ever again, let alone follow strangers back to a secluded area and get locked in. The fireflies knew Joel by name, it’s ridiculously bad writing.

[@Zezinizzle]

Didnt only maureen know him by name? She got popped in the face, I woulda thought they use ellie as a lead to get to Joel. Idk if they understood ellie was under and had no choice so they spare her, but again we will see once the game is released. It is strange joel isn't abit more careful interacting with new people though that's for sure, got too comfortable perhaps.

[@6ixlxrd]

@@Zezinizzle According to TLOU2 logic, the Fireflies (which only knew Joel and Ellie as: "The old man and the girl") knew both of their names. Also, according to the game's logic, the Fireflies were the good-guys, which we all know is a lie.

[@nightraven5760]

... Seriously, did you not play the 1st one? Marlene literally fucking calls him Joel

[@reeedust5897]

Ravne Yes, but there are loads of Joel in the world so they wouldn’t of known

[@Drakewyrm]

@Conner B exactly, when characters actions only serve to advance the plot instead of being organic.

[@kushty_dogg5822]

“We can’t confirm any of the leaks” “we can’t show you any of the second half of the game” oh...

[@cryptox1469]

Yeah...

[@suicidalanderson2500]

It really says more than actually confirming it

[@TJaeSpeaks]

Basically told us the leaks are true. People are gonna get a good swing out of it

[@gcole6]

TJae Speaks yea a really good swing...

[@Mikri90]

I honestly believe that the story js a shitshow from what we were able to gather so far, but in defense of Sony and Naughty Dog, that's pretty much a common practice to not reveal inportant plot point in reviews. The game releases on June 19th, nobody wants to have a game publicly spoiled by reviewers, and that applies to all games. Of course, TLOU2 got spoiled but it was a failure on the dev part in regards to their security, but reviewers are generally under NDAs that prevent them from spoiling a game in their reviews. Pre-release reviews are meant to give an overall assessment of the game without revealing crucial story moments. After the game releases, everyone is free to make an in-depth review covering everything in detail.

[@chickennuggets8022]

Years later, this remains the most accurate review of TLOU2. If this wasn't a Sony Naughty Dog game, it would be a 7/10

[@MattMillwardUK]

Just saw the ending. LMAO. They tried so hard to have an edgy Kojima style ending but it just falls flat and makes both games seem pointless, storywise.

[@iAkis4]

where can we see it too ? link?

[@crabby6617]

@@iAkis4 YT

[@Guitarman5200]

This whole ordeal makes me respect Kojima a lot more, and he deserves the credit. He made MG2, MGS1-3, Policenauts, etc. ANY of the first 3 MGS are legendary enough to make him a beacon in the video game industry. And yet he made at least THREE of them. Neil druckmann has only made one "okay" Game, The Last of Us 1, and it got to his head pretty quickly and blundered the sequel. He is over.

[@diegomauriciogomez1755]

Killing people to get revenge Suddenly you don't do it because reasons Then you lost everything They shoud let the player took the choice; kill or not to kill if they did that the message could have been effective; but well nothing to expect from Neil

[@Hannibal457]

Guitarman5200 I disagree, the Phantom Pain is one of the worst games I’ve ever played. His writing after MGS3 is some of the most laughably pretentious crap I’ve ever seen in my life.

[@PlatinumBro]

Comparing The Last of Us Part 2 to the new Star Wars trilogy is the most depressing thing I have ever heard

[@marhip7182]

Indeed. One sentence saved me 70$.

[@_Nigguel_]

Damn

[@VimyGlide]

most reviewers: "tenattaten, best game, best game" polygon: "well yes but actually no" Skill Up: *"If only you knew how bad things really are."*

[@matosz23]

I am actually surprised by Polygon's rating.

[@ClixonTheOne]

@@matosz23 2020 truly is the wildest year.

[@milorexhar6621]

Im actually surprised by polygon's review.. they just fucked up part 1 too. They compared joel and ellie and mentioned that both of them very blind for revenge?? Really?? I mean ellie seems to be blind for revenge but When did joel wanted a revenge, dude was just surviving... their entire problem with the game was murders?? It was the worst review ever for a videogame

[@mindfreak31332]

I want dunkey's review xd

[@todd3143]

@@milorexhar6621 i think polygon was making the point that ellie doesn't grow up or learn anything as the story progresses in unison to the way the gameplay is presented. naughty dog presents a world ridden with violence and pain, and they really did a good job with it. with the way that skillup, polygon and tlou2's gameplay pitch put it, the player *will* feel bad for murdering people in this game, but no matter how bad you feel, ellie never stops as she keeps going. this is reminiscent of before-to-early 2010s games, where players are disappointed at the protagonists' choices because they don't sympathize with it. both reviews feel disappointed at this writing choice as it's outdated. i'm playing far cry 3 and 4 so they are the only examples i could come up with right now, but they are games about people giving in to the violence around them similar to tlou2, right. fc3's protagonist grew disgusted at himself at the end because of his murderings, and you can choose the pacifist options if you feel bad about what you've done. i might be comparing oranges to lemons, but these two make you feel bad, but you'd feel better because the characters feel the same way you do and even grow away from it. in tlou2, despite many attempts at telling the players "violence is bad", they never seem to change ellie's perceptions as she keeps diving deeper into the violence pit, and the players forced to go along with her decisions even if you disagree with them, which ends up making the players feel more disconnected from what they are controlling. the reason polygon drew a connection to the first game is, i think, because at the very end, joel made a single selfish and irreversible decision and it was very emotionally gripping. the players might have felt conflicted, and might have felt distanced from the players who they've controlled throughout the game, and most of all they might be mad because they were forced to make such a horrible decision. it was disappointing that these nuances never made it into the second game, and ellie never learned to be any better than joel. tldr; buy demon souls remake on the ps5 instead

[@jamesdixon4232]

This is the review that made me trust Skill Up no matter what. Everyone else were hyping this game and I came on here to flame him but his review was the most accurate.

[@MuttonBash]

@youngdefiant said it first and years ago... skillup jumped on the anti-hype train to get squarespace money skillup even states that he himself didn't care about the game and would't finish the game. probably because he was playing on easy

[@Gouda992]

I think that’s a stupid reason to suddenly be loyal to a random reviewer just because they agreed with you, I think you should branch out and listen to diverse voices that might not always have opinions about video games that are consistent with yours

[@jamesdixon4232]

@ The whole point is that it wasn’t an opinion I agreed with at first. I came into this channel and was extremely unhappy with him and expressed that because I wanted the game to be incredible. Only after the game released and you saw it for yourself you realised he was one of the only people to be brutally honest about how depressing this game is. So suck a fvrt out of my vrse you loser

[@ThatPMacleod]

'I was so bored of this game that were I not reviewing it there is no way I would have seen it through to its conclusion, especially with a story as bad as this.' Brutal.

[@TheRezolootion]

Literally the only emotion I should never feel when playing a video game is BORED and SAD. that seems to be all this game has to offer

[@Skylancer727]

@@TheRezolootion It's the main reason I drop a game. Sounds like a pass from me.

[@Rangernewb5550]

Hey you just need to be OPEN MINDED and INCLUSIVE to enjoy a story as big brained as this.

[@Mawnster73]

Matt Dog Hmmm I can agree with on bored. If the game isn’t stimulating your interest or generating any meaningful emotions then it’s definitely not a good experience. But sadness is debatable imo. A few games that I can think of the genuinely made me sad are Brothers a tale of two sons, Xenosaga Ep3, and papers please. I don’t think it’s the type of emotion you really seek when you look for new games. But it can happen as part of the wider game experience and it can be very meaningful.

[@andrewhezekiahdaniel]

@@TheRezolootion Have you played it?

[@kevinbruner9588]

"I'll kill thousands just to spare the last baddie because epiphany.

[@expandleo8243]

I couldn't believe what I saw. Skill Up was right when he said the pay off wasn't worth it. Glad I played it through KZbin.

[@imixupwords5340]

Hope this flops big time I can see this selling 3M at most but I hope it doesn't even pass 1M.

[@matthew1882]

They couldn't even commit to their revenge porn plot. That is another level of horrendous story telling. Shank and brutally murder 100's of people.... leaves person who almost beat you to death alive.

[@moomimi]

@@imixupwords5340 Bet that number was solely from preorders that hyped the game. Maybe refunds will happen?

[@steveguy3]

What about Joel being dumbed the fuck down? Walking into a room of a ton of strangers and using his real name lol

[@markordv]

This game is another reason 2020 is not going well...

[@jaredblack8726]

Well we got Halo and Cyberpunk, you know those will be good😂 hopefully.

[@markordv]

Jared Black I hope so

@@jaredblack8726 as long as they keep thier shitty politics and opinions out of those games we will have ton of fun.

[@ambarghosh7433]

@@jaredblack8726 you can't say that for sure though about cyberpunk. They can simply push it to next year.

[@michaeldenny758]

Hopefully these upcoming ps5 games make up for it. Horizon Forbidden West should hopefully be a good win for example.

[@KaiSchSp]

One thing I disagree on is the gunplay. This game has the best controls for a third person shooter I have ever experienced. Coupled with the stellar animation work, haunting soundscape and thick atmosphere was impressive throughout and sets it at the top of all third person shooters for me. It doesn't offer a lot of crazy new ideas but polishes what was there in the first game into an absolute diamond.

[@Shoelessjoe78]

Yeah I agree it's not supposed to be COD. Though I usually enjoy his reviews sometimes I think he completely misses the mark.

[@novachikun]

Another casualty of this trend among writers who believe that "shock value" is good storytelling and writing. It killed The Last Jedi and destroyed Game of Thrones's final seasons. Randomly changing the trajectory of your story and characters is not good practice! It is not profound, and is not "natural" in a story. When making a product that basis itself on narrative, you need to follow the concepts of storytelling. "Shock value" is not a refined tool/concept in writing, it is a trash tactic no different than the jump scare in horror flicks--it is fun, sure, but that's all. Naughty Dog based their entire narrative on trashy Shock Value and it resulted in this embarrassing sequel.

[@jennytalia6724]

Well said. Gotta be honest I wasn't crazy about the first game although I did enjoy it, I wanted more zombies and better gameplay.

[@PacMac123]

If you force great game writers like Amy Hennig out off your game, you get a transx copulation scenes cesspool like this game

[@AllThings_Gaming-c1m]

There could’ve been 3 or 4 ways of taking the sequel into a different direction, instead we got a petty revenge plot that served no purpose in the end

[@ashiramiir883]

You are right man. When i saw joel die . I raged and abused naughty dog 100 times.

[@Suspect333]

This skill up guy is trolling

[@cldomed550]

Naughty Dog be like “whelp this is the last time we give you a game to review”

[@TheDayMang]

Yet people appreciate honesty in the face of a wall of shill reviews

[@jase276]

Naughty Dog be like "whelp this is the last game we produce"

[@GodofBoris]

Even with all the negatives he said a ton of positives. I see the main problem is what happens in the story in his opinion. Honestly, I’m super hyped to play this game.

[@hazembasuny6467]

Bor Mik yes, the story seems to be a big disappointment and also the leaks which added salt to the injury

[@hazembasuny6467]

What is really annoying is that they ruined the whole story just to support the lgbt

[@jeongminkim4409]

When Skill up said that there were a lot of plot holes, now I can see why.

[@MrCazador123]

Yeah, 18 of them... That's why it's golf

[@theinnocentpotato5382]

@asian dude Ellie leaves Dina's house despite Dina begging her not to because Tommy told her where Abby was because she "had to finish it". When she finds Abby she literally saves her life and is almost ready to just let her leave in a boat, but decides against it and fights her but lets her go anyway, despite her wanting to kill her for the entire game.

[@JinchurikiDemon]

@@theinnocentpotato5382 not to mention Ellie killed an entire army to get to her but noo can't kill Abby THATS BAD ignore the hundreds of people i killed to get to her...

[@quangthuyoan9576]

That is not a plot hole. Abby ass is too much for ellie to handle. Lust is way stronger than revenge

[@theinnocentpotato5382]

@@quangthuyoan9576 Watch the ending. Ellie has her underwater and she is about to pass out. Ellie intentionally lets go so she can breathe, and then tells her to go. Ellie could have killed her at that moment, but very clearly chose not to. EDIT: Reading your comment a second time I realize that it's a joke, sorry.

[@ThatIndianGamerGeek]

Side characters in the game - “Be smart about this” Main characters in the game - proceed to brain fart throughout every key decision

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

The fact that he showed a close up of Daenerys Targaryen when talking about Ellie, shows shes going to be a disconnected villain.

[@almutairi201]

Who's that?

[@RanMouri82]

@@almutairi201 Daenerys is a major character in Game of Thrones who the writers built up to be more just and sane than she was in the books, only to do a 180 and make her go nuts and mass-murdery in the last few episodes. It was a character whiplash.

[@someguy315]

@@RanMouri82 Yup she was never a good person but the show tried to make her so only to dial it completely back in order to subvert expectations

[@TheLastWanderingBard]

I mean the game TRIES to do that but it fails miserably. The whole message of the game is supposed to be "revenge is wrong". So deep I know. Abby kills Joel for revenge, so Ellie goes on a rampage and brutally murders hundreds of people along the way to kill Abby, then realizes how wrong it all is. It tries to be deep with the whole "if you want revenge, dig two graves" idea, but the writing just isn't smart enough to pull it off.

[@MrMarioschannel]

If you ask me the Red Dead Redemption series does a 100% much better job at depicting the cycle of revenge and its consequences. That Neil could have ever hoped for, sad Dan houser left Rockstar though.

[@cmd31220]

Sony: you can review the game, but you can't talk about the parts that we know will piss people off

[@theshoronatheshorona8282]

Utill you give us $60

[@Jack-dl5rw]

This has nothing to do with sony, companies dont want stuff spoiled that's that, has nothing to so with TLOU or naughty dog or Sony

[@MexiCooki]

Chewjacka people have a vendetta against this game. Look at the leaks and you’d understand why

[@JeremyHollabaugh]

Chewjacka has nothing to do with Sony or naughty dog? Haha ok.

[@ManU-iq2vp]

@@theshoronatheshorona8282 or 230. Luckily i canceled my preorder. But according to Sony leaks changed nothing to preorders lmao, that's probably why it was back on stock on amazon lol

[@angelrosales4534]

Sony censors my cute Japanese anime games but the sex scenes are just A ok

[@hyperpotato1197]

Weebs rise up.

[@noodlezz1174]

@J sony is a japanese company

[@chongwillson972]

@angel rosales wait what? are the sex scenes like porno level of a sex scene ?

[@Th3Passerby]

@@chongwillson972 softcore porn... looked like a dude on dude sex scene tho.

[@voxelfusion9894]

@@noodlezz1174 actually not anymore. Sony moved its headquarters to California. It isn't Japanese anymore.

[@Banjo-Oz]

I loved the "open world" section the most too, and wonder if that was something they considered then abandoned for design, but because so much had been done on that level they put it in the game. Hence, why it's the only "open world" section that feels so different from the rest of the game and why it happens so early then *never* again.

[@TheChannel1978]

You're probably right. Too much work must have gone into it to scrap it and likewise it would have required too much work to apply to the entire game.

[@miller-joel]

They just brutally tortured and killed Joel. Let's go scavenge for 4 hours! 10/10 masterpiece!

[@hoodironyyy]

@@miller-joel Joel deserved it.

[@miller-joel]

@@hoodironyyy For rescuing Ellie from a deranged cult that was about to cut her brain out? Get lost, troll.

[@lr6776]

@@TheChannel1978they did the same in uncharted 5/lost legacy, probably will be a thing in later nd games

[@michaeliobay82]

The “They has us in the first half” meme is exactly what this game is.

[@active-_-table6448]

Michael Iobay you goofy

[@BethesdaCakeDelivery]

i assume you're referring to how the hype train caught us good before it derails?

[@JJ-to4pn]

@@BethesdaCakeDelivery Because only half the game is playing as Ellie

[@Skylancer727]

So basically we "yes they are true, no we can not talk about them, nor are we allowed to talk about the other protagonist."

[@psyched.shelby5391]

@Caleb Imrie may I ask where you watched the playthrough? I didn't realize playthroughs were out yet

[@RasenRendanX]

This is gonna be the chill version of the inevitable Angry Joe mega rant when he gets it.

[@MaocatsMisadventures]

Annoying Alejandro couldn't objectively review a game even if it meant he could eat free bean burritos for the rest of his life. Isn't he the same guy who said Deus Ex: Mankind Divided was a bad game because it "just ends" after the final battle, but praised The Witcher 2 for the exact same reason? Fuckin' kek m8, I wouldn't trust his opinion if I was payed to.

[@deusexmachina6146]

@@MaocatsMisadventures Alejandro? Wow youre pretty racist.

[@johnwrath3612]

Ralph has at least 30 IQ points on Joe. That's a very bad comparison.

[@shadosnake]

I like Joe but he's a bit of a shill Even skillup has been a shill at times.

[@christianrashotte1605]

@@MaocatsMisadventures The Rageaholic has a decent video about Pissed-Off Pedro.

[@KaizameNara]

I'm glad the Uncharted series is over they would've ruin that too.

[@johnb8132]

They already did...well not entirely the whole uncharted 4 game but there is a part.

[@MrBMMaster]

John Jordan Baleros yoo what did they ruin? Never played the fourth one

[@johnb8132]

Bbobbie They made Nadine stronger than Nathan and Sam. People complains why do hell would Nathan and Sam would lose to Nadine if they encountered even more powerful enemies than her like black ops, and other soldiers.

[@zaphkiel8459]

Naughty dog: laughs in sequel with the daughter

[@brunof22_]

@J I hope they don't kill Nate, please. At least uncharted could be good?? Fuck they've ruined a entire story 😢 I feel like it's not cannon

[@americanindisguise]

i dont agree with the gameplay remarks, but the story was fucking awful start to finish, great graphics and gameplay, abysmal story and character treatment, easiest way to sum it up

[@GJxPoison]

Pretty much how I felt by the time I finished it.

[@Yes-kb5yv]

This I could agree

[@josefwollersberger1552]

Last of us 1: When you're lost in the darkness, look for the light. Last of us 2: When you're lost in the darkness, we 💩 on the light.

[@Consey]

Last of Us 2: When you're lost in the darkness, play golf.

[@bourisb24yearsago11]

@@Consey lol

[@ameerahbyard2278]

Marcus how are they pushing agendas?

[@Luis-by7li]

you ok bro? its ok to cry

[@AIIEYESONME]

See that's really corny. The story never was that special or original . It's just now they didn't even try with it's sequel that didn't need to be made, except the first one was too successful not to make another one. So Naught Dog just threw in some empowered SJW agenda story and slapped it together with some gameplay and cashed in the checks. Pretty much just like every Hollywood Movie sequel.

[@mamoudamara5327]

The story was everything in the first game , the harmony of the characters , if they really ruined it , then the game lost a lot of its identity.

[@dudeimgeorge]

same. cancelled my pre order

[@angel_lopez2446]

You know nothing

[@nedben6325]

Not “a lot” but all of it. The story itself was the identity of last of us. Otherwise the gameplay and environment could’ve been found in any other narrative triple A game

[@dekardkain5469]

@@angel_lopez2446 I know Joel gets his head caved in with a golf club and you are then forced to play as his killer. That's like making a Batman game sequel where to avenge the Penguin, the Joker kills Batman then you play him as he hunts down Robin... that's not even a Batman game anymore. Virtually everyone who loved the 1st (me included) loved Joel and Ellie's relationship. That's gone now - just glad the leaker let me know before I blew 60 dollars and threw a controller through the wall.

[@josephlynch7655]

The story of the first game was trash. So boring.

[@mobius1250]

Me : Deconstructing character? oh just like the new st.. Skill up : Star Wars Me : Oh... Haha nice... SUBSCRIBE.

[@aravenouspanda2562]

tldr; If you like crappy continuations, this game is for you!

[@tomoakley760]

This is why deconstructionists make terrible fiction writers

[@metaldude55ify]

Hahahaha epic.

[@rohanjarande]

@@tomoakley760 It's not a rule, but I will agree with you in the cases where developers have a poorly thought-out agenda and deconstruction is meerly an excuse, which is almost always the case.

[@swag858]

As someone who absolutely loves this game, your review is exceptional. Rather than ranting about the more irrelevant aspects of the game (inclusion of LGBTQ members, muscular women, etc) you provide a valid critique of the game's story and gameplay, and offer a different perspective without pushing it on others and gaslighting them for disagreeing. In a sea of Last of Us Part II reviews, yours stands out to me, not because of the fact that it's a negative review, but because it offers a different perspective without forcing it, and I admire that a lot.

[@JustANyanCat]

Your comment is great as well

[@edcaous]

I thought the "muscular woman" thing was just people poking fun at abby because they didn't like the game. Not that they hated the game solely because of muscular women. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think most people who disliked the game did so because of muscles.

[@bradhaines3142]

@@edcaous well putting a woman in a game is one thing, but a woman that similar to a man is just crossing a line

[@garibaldibritann1240]

@swag it's nice to see reactions of this review like you did: straight to the whole game's detail for review is more important than bringing up unnecessary clout of controversies surronding the game which clouded the actual criticism of the game. In short i prefer the game's revie from Skill up or other balanced reviewers like GmanLives and Bricky than a "phony" guy who reviews the game just only targets story part of the game than a whole game instead while putting some unfunny, recently dead person joke in the middle of the review

[@swag858]

@@edcaous people mocked her and created and used transphobic memes against her.