The Last of Us: What We Want Next - Kinda Funny Gamescast

[@Im_Ish]

I would love if season 2 was chronological with both Ellie's and Abby's stories running together. Make more sense for TV.

[@theogofguitar]

I really don’t see how they can do it any other way. The format of the game would translate so poor. If they split 3 episodes Ellie/3 Abby this season or even worse season 2 mostly Ellie season 3 mostly Abby it would kill the show trajectory. They absolutely have a chance to remix or place the beat and structure of the story that might even play out better than the game. 2 literally based its foundation of the game in you literally playing the last character you ever want to play and making you complete it to get back to Ellie, the issue at hand you don’t want to as Abby for. Fighting the godamn main protagonist as a boss fight and every single reaction is “I don’t want to do this”. The show doesn’t have that luxury, you can only care as much as the show positions its story and character and themes in an undeniable way. In order to care about both journeys then direct comparison per episode and time spent each episode with both is the only way I see it working. If we had a different catalyst or reason for this game IE Joel’s death and being your enemy, then I think they could play around with time and flashbacks and chronological order

[@Balertman]

Well we see Dina and Ellie enjoying the guitar mini game, so we know there needs to be at least enough room/episode time AFTER *the event* for them to start their road journey.

[@wgo523]

That scene could happen somewhere else potentially

[@Balertman]

@@wgo523 That's true! Their clothing suggests pre- or post-winter, but who knows how they're going to sequence events.

[@DFTNSHEXGRM]

@@wgo523 You’re coping.. We see the Take on Me scene & even the red light subway tunnel scene.. Joel’s dead by episode 4 at best..

[@wgo523]

@@Balertman yeah that's true, and the overgrowth suggests overgrown Seattle

[@BlackCatScott]

Joel’s getting offed in episode 1 or 2. He will still be in the season throughout in flashbacks etc, but all of this footage pretty much confirms they’re staying very close to the source material. Pedro finished filming months prior to everyone else, too.

[@dashawnelam8114]

I agree because they showed the red room subway scene in the trailer. And there needs to be enough time before that to show, Leahs death, and Jordans death. which would have to be an episode at minimum and than the scene after with Dina being pregnant. which would probably be the end of season 1

[@Spoulard]

Greg needs to watch game of thrones. Everyone hates Jamie Lannister literally from the jump. He becomes a fan favorite by the end. We find out why he is who he is and why he’s done what he’s done. It’s not entirely dissimilar from how we were presented with Abbey. Endearing the audience to her at all in the beginning 100% undercuts the point of the story. Imo

[@Shrewdy1]

I dont understand the conversation around a potential TV adaptation of TLOU Pt 3 and how they should try and present it as something new. Bless especially keeps drawing parallels to the spin off shows for Game of Thrones and LOTR - but as mentioned, those are completely different stories from a different time, just set in the same world. I do agree the 3rd game is some ways off, but if they do adapt it for TV then it'd be extremely weird if they try to present it as something new and a different story - when it's presumably going to be following on from Pt 2's ending with Ellie and Abby/Lev. Just take the few extra years break or whatever it may be, and then announce it as "The new season of The Last of Us". We're already at the stage where big TV shows have 2 years between seasons as standard, and a 3 year gap isn't unheard of (Peaky Blinders has done this). If as Mazin says, they could even stretch Pt 2 over 3 seasons, I don't think there would be a huge gap at all at that stage. Just seems like the guys are overthinking it a bit.

[@jermelpurse3018]

I’m not sure how to say this, but they really should have gone with that MP additional the first game had a great story in the single player, but the multiplayer there was truly unexpected. It was fire. In fact, they ran into a problem, not knowing how do we expand this we want more of it, but they didn’t even have the framework or the team size to give us a lot of content which we would have eaten up. I know it would’ve been difficult to have an entire studio work on just one MP game but if there was going to be one, this was it. This is your HBO show that everybody knows about that you could’ve said watch the show play the game for free. Play it on your cell phone play it on your PC play it on your PlayStation , and you should’ve even said play it on your Xbox or your Nintendo switch it was one of the few times where Sony could’ve said. Let’s try and do some Fortnite stuff they could’ve really tried to reach for the stars and gone further. I understand, naughty dog didn’t want to do it, but then they should’ve found someone else to do it. You should’ve told someone else do it.

[@HAL1138]

Everyone is thinking to linearly (except Greg possibly) about the Season 2 story. It will be a mix of Abby/ Joel, Ellie every episode. Will tell both stories simultaneously. If they get to the big death moment it doesn’t mean Joel is gone, just like in the game there will be flashbacks in season 3 and possibly 4. Important to remember the show will be for many millions of viewers with zero game knowledge.

[@ADukesJustice]

55:15 nah, I love TLOU because it's so dark and brutal. I can't really think of any games at the moment that gets to that level

[@Woozie87]

I’m sure they will kill Joel early and add more flashback scenes with Joel, can have flashbacks thru Ellie, Tommy, and Dinas Ex Boyfriend because I think they will make him a bigger character in the show. He admired Joel a lot in the game, I can see them extending on that relationship in the show.

[@SilentNinjah_]

I think Greg's idea of inserting Abby would make it too predicable on whom she's after. When she sees the town in the game, I already guessed who was the target.

[@mikekasabion]

That’s not true. If they introduce Abby through the way she tied into season 1/part 1’s finale, then they organically create intrigue and sympathy for viewers who don’t know the story.

[@philbarton2832]

Just a heads up for anyone who hasn't watched the video yet, they spoil TLOU2, walking dead tv show and FF16.

[@philbarton2832]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate that we're getting a sick ass tv show that not only completely understands the source material but absolutely nails it. So sick that gamers are finally being respected by non gamers 😀

[@Woozie87]

I’m calling it they’re gonna kill Joel at the end of episode 2

[@mikekasabion]

So false.

[@theogofguitar]

That scene of Ellie screaming in the red at the end…immediately her response after beating Nora to death with the pipe in the WLF hospital?? Breakdown of her actions after witnessing what she did. This show Ellie thus far has not consciously killed a non infected yet, and if we are gonna lean on 2s theme and cycle of violence I bet we see Ellie actually being mindful of a bloodbath she leaves for vengeance, we aren’t playing a game where she is stacking bodies. The huge complaint was the conflict when you being Ellie murdering prolly hundreds to just let Abby go, perhaps they are being mindful of that legit criticism and showing how everything Ellie kills for revenge will break her and we will see that early and often

[@good.news.everyone]

I'd say something that wasn't considered is that often times these early teaser trailers only feature footage from the first 1-3 episodes of the season. Also fwiw the hoard thing was extremely similar to the game. There were a ton of zombies and there was a scene where they weigh down a fence. Great episode, great conversation and speculation. Man that trailer gave me goosebumps

[@LawyerCowboy]

S2 Ep1 will mirror S1 Ep1. Major death ends the 2nd act of the episode with the main quest starting at the end of the episode S2 will end with Ellie and company returning home after the theater incident

[@FoxHowell]

I think it should start with Joel telling what happened as a recap. Season 2 should be about Ellie. How shes struggling to fit in, exploring relationships, conforming to Jackson and the duties of its citizens, her n Joel's relationship, introduction to seraphites. But the last episode should play out exactly how the mission goes not knowing who Abby is, us being mislead by her being saved, and finally.. the execution. No explanation and just let that shock n hate sit in the audience Season 3 should be about Abby.(should be shot at the same time as S.2) Abby, WLF, Owen (probably get his own episode) her friends/comrades (maybe they have a nickname for the group), deeper dive into seraphites(def an episode for Lev and his sis), Tommy's assault better get a proper scene. I can see the season starting with a Abby flashback to when her and her father rescue the animal stuck in the bobwire. Last 2 episodes, first a mostly chaotic episode ending with Abby finding Owen, cut to a distraught Ellie and maybe even lifting her shirt revealing the shot of Ellie's battered back and being embraced by now prego Dina and cut back to the bloody map being picked up by a red eyed angry Abby. The last episode starting with Joel and Ellie(will also be the first time we see Ellie and Joel's faces for the season.) Transition of her playing the guitar then into now in the theater leading into the final scene at the theater. Season 4 episode 1 should be all about ellie, Dina and the baby and having a day on the farm, ptsd, and Tommy. Side note i would like to see the show highlight Abby's fear of heights.

[@gavataris]

I don’t remember any of these Sarah-fights that Bless was talking about. I don’t even remember who Sarah was. I am surprised that no one mentioned the group hunting Lev, though… who were they? The Sera… oh! Now I get it.

[@samikhalifa6021]

The Last of Us 2 is the best story i’ve played in a game. *Spoiler* To start a game hating a character to understanding them and to ultimately rooting for them despite their juxtaposition to our main characters we grew to love. 10/10

[@jamiecollyer9323]

Part of the shock of the death though was that we didn't know who Abby was, and who she was after. They can't telegraph if by giving flashbacks and trying to get sympathy for her before the deed is done

[@Woozie87]

Abby’s heel turn worked for me in the game I’m sure they will succeed even more with Abby because the actress is killer and will make us sympathize with her. I hope we start the show with Abby and her dad moments before Joel and Ellie arrive at the hospital. And than we go into Joel and his therapy sessions and what hes been up to since the end of season 1

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

The therapy sessions are obviously being implemented into the show to give audience a glimpse of how Joel has “done bad stuff” and why he is gonna get what is coming to him. This was something that was completely lacking from the game as we only ever saw him do “bad” things to survive. So it never seemed like he deserved what he got.

[@EveryTimeIDavid]

@@BasketCase-rr7txone of the first things you see him do is break a guy’s arm for guns and ammo, then not blink as he’s shot in the head.

[@ADukesJustice]

1:02:50 and this is all it really needed to be. But every single multiplayer mode has to be a live service, we can't just have a simple mp mode anymore..

[@capjavert]

The scene where Ellie is screaming is in the barn when she lives with Dina after Seattle.

[@Alilasiankid]

this is not Joel’s story. This is Ellie’s. People die all the time. Joel’s death will come quick and early just like in the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s episode 2

[@neojd]

I wouldn’t be too surprised if Neil just keeps it as close to the game’s arc as possible. You’re going to not like Abby at first but slowly you’ll come to sympathize with her and see that Joel wasn’t a good guy either. Kaitlyn knows what she signed up for. As for Part III, of course you’re going to play as Ellie. Neil has stated that TLOU was always Ellie’s story. I feel like 3 has to be about her death, where I’m guessing she’ll find a way to sacrifice herself for the cure. As for the live service games, PS definitely invested in the wrong game with Concord. No way TLOU or Spidey multiplayer wouldn’t have at least sold well out of the gate. Huge blunder on their part. Still hoping someday we get the remnants of those games.

[@nickdalts]

I really think they’ll have a couple episodes of Joel and Tommy before TLOU1 to show the darker side of Joel. We know they did some horrible, selfish stuff to survive. I think the show wants you to really be conflicted about Joel so that when it happens you’re more inclined to empathise with Abby. More of a ‘his past finally catching up with him’. The game, for some people, failed to do that because we only ever see Joel through Ellie’s perspective. As a loving, kind father, and when he is brutal it’s to protect her.

[@ChrisTrenary]

I understand why this is less common with the massive scope of modern triple-A games, but I really miss when multiplayer could just be a fun bonus mode in addition to the single player package, as opposed to its own massive project that requires the attention and continued support of the entire studio. I really don't understand why Factions 2 couldn't just be a bite-sized bonus mode or even a paid DLC upgrade that came down the road vs. something that they felt would have to change the entire focus/direction of Naughty Dog as a whole.

[@Roneish1996]

For part 3 I’d say it should somehow be about Abby and lev reaching the fireflies that we were told about in the end of the game and maybe somehow the ptsd causing so much baggage to Ellie that she has to try and find fireflies again and it leading to Abby but this time she has decided to try and make up for what Joel stopped from happening in the end of part 1. While obviously that’s a very optimistic version of how it’d go I think the canceled multiplayer game likely was going to deal with the lev and Abby side of things which is a big reason I am sad that game was canceled.

[@caelanmurie-gq2sj]

I'm happy they're not cowards.

[@nOVA1987]

Bless real talk. If someone is gonna reject you for being nerdy then they dont like who you are. They have to love 100% of you to be worth your time. Dont hide or censor yourself, be loud and proud with all of it.

[@jonathancoit]

Joel.will absolutely die at the end of episode 1. I can't imagine they will hold it until of the season.

[@tvmctv2130]

yes exactly this

[@stroudwes0325]

They're splitting Part 2 up into multiple seasons. He will probably last most of the season and Ellie will start her hunt at the end.

[@Rosquilliam2]

If there is to be a part 3, it would have to have Ellie involved in some way. She a through line…and that’s why I’m ok with Joel at the crossroads *bone bone bone bone* in part 2

[@cody2oo]

The porch scene in the trailer makes me really worried about how they will tell the story. Season 2's strongest ending would be Abby golfing as that will have shock value and much like all the players felt at that time we all support Bella Ramsey to go full Rambo into season 3. And season 3 completely hides the flashbacks from the audience and then bam an entire episode in the museum that was actually filmed during season 2 so Bella is actually younger. Audiences lose their minds and we all cry again. Season 3 ends at the theater and experienced both sides of the conflict. Season 4 is the farm onwards.

[@kkjhn41]

Joel must still die fairly early in season 2 because the scenes from Seattle that take place after his death would be in the latter part of the season. In that huge hoard attack you see Tommy but you don't see Joel which indicates that he is already dead. This attack could be the reason that Tommy can't put together a group to go after Abby and her group which leaves Ellie and Dina to go alone. I could see the first episode ending with Abby being introduced and saved from the infected by Joel and Tommy and then his death taking place in episode 2. But with only 7 episodes (albeit longer in length than those is season 1) I wouldn't be surprised if they do it even sooner. It just seems like the longer it takes to get to it the less time there is in the remaining episodes to get to the things they've shown us in the trailer.

[@CastleChris92]

TLOU Part 2 has great story telling because of its flashbacks and the context they have in present gameplay. But some of the scenes we see in this trailer and the other shorter one are from flashbacks or even present day cutscenes way later in the game (Joel on the porch, the barn scene, Issac being introduced). So I wonder if they won't have flashbacks and might tell the story in a straight forward narrative. Maybe these scenes are here in Season 2 and will also be flashbacks in Season 3 or 4

[@AjTengu]

I want this to be told as close to the game as possible. The game has a fantastic natural shift in perspective that I think will be cool to see how the audience polarizes the same as the gamers. That back and forth is the water cooler moments we all want. A third season could expand on Abby and Levs time in California and give us some of the happier times with Dina and Ellie.

[@CaptainBurnout64]

Yeah I hope they don’t fill season 2 with Walking Dead filler content just to keep Pedro on the show for a whole season.

[@JROTCBALL]

I thought Levs story was so compelling and their break from the cult would have made for such an amazing story DLC, so really hoping the show fleshes that out for sure

[@JROTCBALL]

I recall reading that the Wolves were originally going to infiltrate the town to run recon.. wonder if the show will bring that back to expand on their story/ characters

[@Anarchyontheweb]

Stop butchering it i hope

[@alexswan8323]

I hope it’s two seasons and the split is the theatre encounter. Maybe make the 3rd season 9 episodes again and have the last two episodes be Santa Barbara?

[@reisman33]

TLOU1 game = 1 season of TV; TLOU2 = 3 seasons; TLOU3 (2030) = 9 seasons; 13 seasons total, wrapping up around 2049 (Bella Ramsey will be 46 years old). That checks out.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

@@reisman33 TBF I think they hired her because she has an ageless face. They were panning ahead. I certainly doubt they hired her for her one facial expression anyway.

[@AirStew]

loll "I'm trying to find a ceo." bless . ditto my brother !

[@Aguni20]

Whay was the country song Greg?

[@maddoggnick96]

This is KFG Vol. 3, Episode 102 (Episode 586 overall)

[@Alex-nc8lk]

8:38 wait a minute??? I guess I don’t listen enough. Not the Roper Report? No baker’s dozen?

[@JustJuan731]

Games Daily is roper report, Gamescast is TOTS.

[@Alex-nc8lk]

@@JustJuan731 oh okay thank you lmao I’m tripping. I listen to both. Idk how i didn’t notice. I hear the tots from everyone all the time just never realized it’s on different shows lol

[@elcapitan2293]

I mean do we know if they filmed season 2 and 3 back to back, and just end s2 at e7, or they just filmed s2?

[@kkjhn41]

They only filmed those 7 episodes.

[@elcapitan2293]

@@kkjhn41 ok. Wasn't sure

[@esinach]

Its gona end with the end scene of part 2 with their conversation on the porch. So it'll probably be when Ellie has killed Nora and found out its the fireflies that did it. Then we flash back to that scene at the end. But I think we are gona get some of Abby story linearly.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

The problem with Joel being around and acting like a caring dad for the full season is that when they fall out Ellie is gonna look even more ungrateful and whiney than she did in the game. So it wont help.

[@EveryTimeIDavid]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx I didn’t get any of that in the game at all. Her reaction is perfect for a kid that age, getting hit with something that heavy, and to have her agency in it taken away.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

@@EveryTimeIDavid She’s not really a kid in the second game. Even if she still acts like one. In fact she actually acts more mature in the first game. She seemed to have regressed into being very immature in the second game, it was weird.

[@EveryTimeIDavid]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx she’s like 20 and never had a childhood. What importance she found in herself she had taken away from her. She also never believes what Joel told her, she just never gets him to admit until much later. Which sucks for both of them because they’re the happiness they found in a world that has given them nothing else.

[@gpauldejesus]

Killing him near the end of the season would definitely affect the viewership in S3, especially considering how popular and beloved Pedro is on top of the love the still angry fans of the game have for the character

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

Depends how much of season 2 he is actually in. One of the reasons people were upset with the game was because they wanted to play as him and wanted to see where his story went. If he is hardly in the second season of the show then I doubt people would be mad at his death because they will have already come to terms with him not being the lead anymore.

[@Woozie87]

I bet a lot of people said this when they killed Ned Stark at the end of Season 1 of GoT.

[@Woozie87]

@@BasketCase-rr7txI think they confirmed that Bella has more screen time than Pedro in season 2. So Ellie is definitely the main lead now, but I’m sure HBO and Craig will take Joel’s death and make it work better in the show

[@gpauldejesus]

@@Woozie87 Well, i hear what you’re saying but thats not the same thing at all. GoT had multiple leads, Ned might’ve been the main pov character at the time but the story had already set up a bunch of other important pov characters. and btw i like what they did with TLOU Part 2 so ill definitely be on board but we all know how divisive the game was and i think you might see a similar reaction with the show, not as strong but it’ll turn off a chunk of the audience for sure.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

@@Woozie87 They have to do a better job with the story in general, because unlike the game the TV show doesnt have great gameplay to fall back on.

[@maddoggnick96]

I was thinking about how Part II would be handled in the show. I think it’s possible that “The Scene” will be a flashback reveal later in the season, and it’s unsure what had happened up until that point. I’m not sure if that’s the best way, but i think it’s a possibility.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

When it comes to the games I would rather have a new Uncharted. Give us a game where Nathan mentors his daughter. It would be like the last Indiana Jones movie but actually good. They could then do a Lost Legacy style spin off where you play as Sam. I have no interest in TLOU when there is room for more Uncharted.

[@bendecidospr]

This idea that the point of TLOU2 was to get us on Abby's side is, I think, the reason why so many people did not enjoy. Nobody wants that. But, I think that was not actually the point of playing as Abby. You're not supposed to "get" her, or sympathize with her to the point of understanding why she killed Joel. I think you're supposed to realize that people can change. She changed. She did not feel good about what she did. It was wrong, just as much as what Ellie andJoel did was wrong, and everybody else in this world. The point of her character, in a sense, is redemption. Is that possible? Can we let go? Can Ellie let go? If not, the cycle continues. So, once we realize that we are not meant to empathize with Abby, nor with Ellie for that matter, we can appreciate what the story is actually telling us.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

She didn’t change. She helped Lev to feel better about herself. That’s the complete opposite of what happened with Joel, where he was forced into helping Ellie and he grew to love her naturally. And that’s one of the many reasons why people like Joel and not Abby.

[@bendecidospr]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx She 100% changed. But, I won't get into an argument.

[@SuperHellhawk]

We absolutely aren’t getting Last of Us Part 3 till at least 2032, realistically 2034/35

[@NicroyM]

Release a conversation with tim and lets see how many views it gets

[@JG-pp8cc]

I think season 2 ends with SPOILERS Joel's death

[@kingofzero]

I have no faith in the team making the show. The first season was horrible.

[@lewishague123]

Horrible is a stretch

[@davidberry7868]

What if last of us 3 is completely different sorta game. Maybe something like a cross between “don’t starve” and “dark cloud” with tower defence mechanics and online co op and pvp mechanics layered in. You create a character and start in Jackson with some of the characters we know and love dropping story arcs as you gradually explore and expand your town by gathering resources. But it has perma death and also online functionality where friends towns are featured on the map and you can join up with them and see there towns and can choose to join theirs or they can join yours, or you can also attack theirs or other random peoples town pvp style and steel their resources to build your own town stronger and advance the story further. But because it’s perma death it feels very risk reward but also allows those who want to role play as the characters they create. Not sure quite how you could layer stories with the characters we know for each individual player without seeing the same characters in other folks towns but it could just be like red v blue where you only see those characters in your own town if that makes sense 🤷‍♂️

[@Renoistic]

My two cents is that it will be Part 1 again but with Ellie as the old cranky protector.

[@Magic7ball]

What if it was a car combat game and they called it "Twisted Metal"

[@kheops101]

I’m 100% with Skill Up and many other outlets. TLOU part 1 was a masterpiece, TLOU part 2 was trash. Really intrigued how part 3 will turn out.