The Last Recorded Words of David Koresh April 16 & 18, 1993

This recording was produced and narrated by Dr. James D. Tabor in 1995 based on live FBI negation tapes now in the public domain. In the recording you will hear the final words of David Koresh, mentioning both Dr. Philip Arnold and Dr. James Tabor, and his ongoing project to write his Seven Seal manuscript and his negotiated plan to surrender and peacefully come out of the Mt Carmel center with his religious community. It is chilling to hear given the optimism and positive attitudes of both Koresh and the FBI negotiator on April 16th, just three days before the unexpected FBI tank and CS-Gas attack on April 19th in which Koresh and his Branch Davidian community perished in the fire (Men 41; Women 46; Children 43, final death count along with four BATF officers). The final exchange comes on April 18th, with negotiator "Henry," the day before the assault, around 2pm. Here you will hear the last recorded words of David Koresh as he realized his agreement would not be honored. The entire tragedy was completely unnecessary--from initial dynamic entry SWAT team raid on February 28th to the CS Gas attach on April 19th--and the resulting fire.
For the full back story see Tabor's book, Why Waco ( www.amazon.com...) and this recent interview on KZbin with Jacob Berman releasing new evidence Koresh was not bluffing in his plan to exit: • Video

[@stargazerlaurent6780]

I cannot help but believe that even though it had gotten to this point; This STILL could have been resolved peacefully

[@Odin33356]

We've only become worse

[@1738Creations]

If only he had cared more about the people inside than the El Camino and wasn't completely insane...

[@curtisowen3233]

Miscommunication and much adu about nothing. A true tragedy.

[@כורשדבר-יהוהבןישראל]

It had to happen this way. The Lord knows what he is doing.

[@Odin33356]

@@כורשדבר-יהוהבןישראל Jesus ate peanuts so you can eat cheeseburgers

[@ATCguy1973]

I think the government had every intention to never give those poor people and David a chance. This whole incident disgusts me and God forgive me for listening to the press and the government back in 1993 during this horrible incident 😢 I get teary eyes every time he says "We're Americans". He's right and i can't believe our own government slaughtered our own fellow Americans for personal gain. It's just not right. David may not have been a saint, but he was law abiding and had every intention of resolving this matter peacefully 😢

[@hansjohan3150]

You can believe your gvm slaughtered Iraqees, Afghanian and now Ukranian people for personel (the happy few) gain?

[@KoreshDabar-YHWHbenYisrael]

You're sins are forgiven

[@RedDawnReadiness]

@KoreshDabar-YHWHbenYisrael Your**

[@ForceCo-m1y]

They bleached the scene

[@cj6884]

He was possessed by devils. Pure evil

[@DetroitWrecker666]

I was a teenager in high school when this happened. I never took a deep dive into this matter. After all these years have passed, I have seen the media/movie propaganda machine go to work on this story. The very first movie that came out about this had these people at the door ready for the ATF and FBI Waiting for them to pull up so they could start shooting. People believed it. Then, too many people pointed out that the holes in the door were going into the building, not out. So they made another movie. People believed that. Now a Netflix documentary in which surely people will repeat to others and speak on. All we really know is that, the US government authorities involved did everything they could to destroy every piece of evidence on this site. I really hope people understand this. As for me. I can't say anything about the people who lived on this site. I know almost nothing about them. These records are really the only truths I have heard.

[@lowks02]

thougkht i was crazy dont like wha happened but i see why he did it and really understand what typa situation he WAS PUT IN. Gklad other people dont have unprovided trust for the "governemet"

[@lowks02]

gkovernment-

[@clicheguevara5282]

@Post-Apoc Space Dolphin Posadist from Uranus Not innocent??? What exactly did they do wrong? David was a creepy ultra religious guy but he had done nothing illegal. ...and these "insane" followers of his did absolutely nothing wrong. If these people were "insane", then so is every other person on earth who is deeply religious. Their beliefs weren't that much different from the beliefs of all Christians. They just followed the Bible more strictly than most Christians do. ..and BTW, these were _highly_ educated and intelligent people from all over the world. You clearly haven't done much research into this topic at all if your takeaway is that they were all insane and guilty.

[@caseycrisp7438]

​@Post-Apoc Space Dolphin Posadist from Uranus I don't know much about this story. I'm just now looking into it, but after everything I've learned recently about our government, do you think it's possible something else could have been going on behind the scenes, and they made him look crazy? Idk, It just seems to be a common thing they've done.

[@caseycrisp7438]

@Post-Apoc Space Dolphin Posadist from Uranus Just what I asked. I think we're going to find out a lot of what we've been shown & thought was true, was a lie. I don't know much about this particular story to have a thought one way or the other.

[@dansaber4427]

This tape is a masterclass in exactly what not to say and what not to do. The first thing they should have done is admit that they were wrong and given David the benefit of the doubt. Instead they doubled down on their hubris.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

Well, they chose to show their growth and reflections by taking my brother on television with others and insisting it wasn’t their fault and all my dads fault, his claims extremely inconsistent as ever. This has taken way too long! Our recklessness and negligence needs resolving and the aftermath must be made unviable as a crime scene, the children they were so intent on saving underneath treads and good old American red wings or danners or some shit.

[@ostentatioussavant6975]

First thing they should have done? What are you talking about? These recordings are from day 48 and day 50 of negotiations.

[@ostentatioussavant6975]

@@l_shaun_bunds_l Please expound on this.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

@@ostentatioussavant6975 I’m speaking about the “children of Waco” series my older brother appears in where they use them as a means to assert intent and necessity on their ends without any attention given to the mixture of CS gas with paint thinner. It’s a fucking joke.

[@xeniacollins9514]

This man was possessed by demons. You can see it in his eyes. Man should only cleave to one wife, he was sick in the mind as were all of them, the innocent children in isolation didn't know better either. Truly an evil man twisting the words of the bible for his own sick gains, ultimately leading him to burn many people alive, while shooting committing suicide. He is in hell.

[@TheOldstufffan]

Dr Tabor, Thank you so much for all you’ve uploaded and all the recent work with the KZbin community. I was only toddling around in 1993, but spent my spare time in college researching new religious movements and apocalyptic groups and went down the Waco rabbit hole and read your book, Why Waco. I’m also a social work major trained in active listening and bad negotiation makes me cringe. I’m so glad people are taking your profession more seriously. Even in the popular tv show Madam Secretary, her husband goes into a new religious movement and uses his field of study to talk with empathy and prevent more conflict

[@letsgobrandon7297]

Very strange I can’t find the full negotiation tapes that use to be on YT. It’s sickening what those 3 letter agencies did to them and the Weavers at Ruby Ridge. They could have arrested Koresh any day he went jogging up the road, but they needed the raid because atf was about to defunded. Atf shot first, one says they were meant with walls of bullets before even getting out....than how did they climb onto the roof if that happened. One says they shot the dogs when they pulled up and Koresh came to the door which is what happened. The negotiators got caught in a lie saying there was no guns in helicopters, then after Koresh calls them out on it, they say their was guns but nobody shot. Then they had to admit they were shootin but no mounted guns. They were so caught in a lie that the negotiators said “okay let’s leave it at that”. Then at one point they were telling the public they want them to come out but were telling davidians that if they come out in any way they will be shot. Not to mention they put up razor wire around the whole house. They had a video of the whole raid but somehow only the beginning and certain parts were somehow erased, somehow the door went missing which both would showed atf shot first. The HRT knew the davidians only had gas masks for the adults but continued with the plan knowing the children were going to be effected if not die from it. They blasted sounds of dying rabbits and bunch different noises knowing there was a bunch of children inside. Then they play that one song “these boots were made for walking” which was foretelling.

[@unclefester69]

I agree with you.. you have total facts the feds also said the davidians had a m60 machine gun which is false plus all the ak-47s was SARs (Simi-auto rifles) and the ones after the fire any federal agent could have modified the seaer with a grinder.. the deep state shadow government of the military industrial complex.. f### the ATF

[@Daintyhippie86]

Do you know where I can listen to the tapes? Thank you for posting this! What happened to these people is just horrible!

[@Fair-to-Middling]

I remember the day this happened. I lived in Arlington, Texas, and watched this all unfold on tv while sitting next to our sliding glass door. I could see the wind strongly blowing outside. It was as if I was there seeing that same wind whip through the compound. Very creepy, and memorable.

[@tammymullins5240]

Thanks for sharing this I remember seeing the news about what took place in Waco 😢 the children so heartbreaking

[@jayflamezxbirdgang1436]

The government didn’t give a fuck about them kids and it’s sad and its sickening and the ATF and FBI are to blame just as much as David

[@noway57]

He burned it down when he saw all the kids dead from the gassing

[@laneybowdoin]

I am so glad you posted this..... Truth is in this video.

[@Spooky_515]

People will watch a Netflix documentary but won’t watch Waco The Big Lie part 1 & 2? Hearing the little boy at the end broke my heart

[@AnonMemSoc]

Anyone get a handclap for the expertise of this hostage negotiator. He was genuinely trying

[@sadieandersen9993]

The patience David had with the negotiators was a testament to the condition of his heart.

[@angelcitystudio]

The only thing in his heart was saving himself from years of prison time for pedophilia. You must be a republican.

[@billcarson818]

It was a cult and the leader was a manipulative psychopath. This event alone proved that it was a dangerous cult. Why would he risk the families, pregnant women and children? That showed clearly that he didnt care about them. Used them as human shields basically and for his ego. Lied many several times during the negotiation, broke his promise, typical for his character. And then of course killed them. It was all about him and his delusions. A pathetic excuse of a human being. Cults are very often formed by manipulation of people, the religious part makes it easier of course to manipulate people.

[@RK-dc2es]

bro he raped children

[@TheOldstufffan]

Wow, I’ve never heard a recording of Steve. He’s very well spoken, a conspiracy theorist who believes those theories as much as he believed David’s theology. A good negotiator wouldn’t go uh huh, but use those points in gaining his trust. I really appreciated how you did that the radio program and tape the lawyer had.

[@benadams1661]

Who's Steve?

[@TheOldstufffan]

@@benadams1661 Schnider, his right hand man

[@sixslinger9951]

Brainwashed like all those idiots in that compound.

[@jitaliano81]

did netflix documentary take you here?

[@jf5618]

31:31 if that’s not foreshadowing, unfortunate foreshadowing, I don’t know what is. What happened at Waco, was an absolute tragedy in too many ways

[@Odin33356]

Same with my house.

[@dansaber4427]

This is exactly how you don't negotiate with someone. What a complete failure. Whoever's negotiating needs a refund on their education. Awful.

[@wildemthefem5773]

The negotiator had the pressure of irrational colleagues that were ready to break down the door with force (obviously), and the negotiator was doing all he could to prevent that. Clearly, he failed. Or rather, the ATF and FBI agents who attacked the Branch Davidians were the ones who failed.

[@AndrewGarnerAdventures]

This recording has been edited several times

[@franklinmoorehartjr]

These recording showed he didn't want to die I didn't expected I that right there so the government screwed up

[@rockystelone21]

They could of arrested him when he once had left the compound before

[@paleo704]

Oh well. Someone has to take the trash out

[@BigBBQJones]

​@@paleo704 at first they wanted the press out there and then after they got shot up they wanted the press to stop recording...they were like show some respect!... smdh

[@maryannec55]

Such a tragedy :(

[@BrianElliotte]

This makes me feel ill when I hear agengts try to talk these children to go on a "bumpy" tank ride.

[@Micheal-G]

That interrogation agent never knew the whole time he was talking about dying the entire time.

[@rogermurray5582]

April 19,1993-2023 30th Anniversary Waco Texas

[@MegaCoyotekiller]

Be nice to hear something that hasn't had 75% of the conversation crudely edited.

[@DarkerThanBlack88]

I know damnit

[@tufikum2633]

This guy at the end is not a professional negotiator working for the FBI, this guy's name is Jim Cavanaugh and he was the key ATF special agent responsible for this whole mess. You can see what a manipulative and deceiving man he was by watching the documentaries 'Waco The Rules of Engagement' or 'Waco A New Revelation' where he's featured very prominently. I think this man has a lot to answer for and I hope he finds God before it is too late.

[@exquize1660]

Well I was thinking the negotiator was a superhero and trying is best to resolve everything peacefully but listening to this, he poorly negotiated... he was like children arguing with someone cornered saying everything is his fault... worst negotiation.

[@PurpleDragonz55]

That investigator that made any progress was sent on another mission. They spoke to 24 negotiators in tota

[@jdj2022]

Yes as a former detective and now. Christian Pastor I think the negotiator should have been someone religious for sure. Even though clearly David Koresh is crazy he knew the Bible if a negotiator who knew the Bible and was able to listen to Koresh’s twisted theology and actually could act as though they understood what he was saying and sympathized then they could have easily gotten him to come out and probably even sooner. This man wasn’t just evil but had very sincere beliefs that he was doing the right thing and if they played on that they could have gotten what they wanted peacefully.

[@fivebrosstopmos]

​@@jdj2022Even just the relationship of their different perspectives, that makes easy small talk and warms someone up to hearing out the other side.

[@benadams1661]

Where can we get our hands on this manuscript, it sounds riveting?

[@StonefolkNetwork]

The recording mentions it’s included in the appendix of Dr. Tabor’s book “Why Waco”.

[@caseycrisp7438]

You can read the transcripts under the declassified Waco files.

[@goldengoat1737]

If the Dravidians would have shot first they definitely would have released the tape

[@iamshango3005]

16:05 onward is all I need to know it's amazing the tactics these men with badges and power trips try to use little secret ways to e trip you up and mix words . I mean they literally just put words in his mouth this is amazing it's disgusting this country, the alphabet boys. It's really disturbing.

[@GodGunsGills]

Amen

[@OneNationxUnderDog]

Keep in mind, these are people who have been deprived of Food, water, phone contact, rest, they've been psychologically tortured with loud music and bright lights, theyve been shot at by an agency that is supposed to be protecting them, they have 4 dead bodies inside a gigantic shack without any air conditioning, I am shocked David and Steve are as lucid as they sound! If i sleep in a tent for 2 nights i am sick of it and want to go home, i cant imagine 51 straight days of living like that, not even mentioning the TANKS that are constantly getting closer and with US HRT members mooning them and their children!

[@DEadSpaCE211]

the lord gives you strength you didnt know you had

[@juancarloslbuisman]

@@DEadSpaCE211 guess he can also changee taste buds - make shid seem like ground beef

[@gmork9279]

are these records real? If yes - sick. Would love to hear all the phone calls.

[@jamesfrusher232]

Yes 100%

[@caseycrisp7438]

You can read the transcripts under the Waco declassified documents online.

[@כורשדבר-יהוהבןישראל]

Yeshua finishes what he starts, in His time, not the government

[@paulcarey191]

they could have taken dave a bunch of times - either while he jogged past their nest post at that motel every morning, or wait till he leaves the place like the dentist, or do his taxes, or run out to get supplies of some damn kind that ran out, get a hair cut, buy underwear for f..k sake etc.. etc.. BUT THEY DIDN'T. The A.T.F. and the government/military wanted to raid the place in military fashion to catch them off guard in their own habitat as they say, to maximize the bust and also to send a message to anyone else that says'' this is the way we will shut you down'' no rules or laws apply - '''we will over run you kill you close you down period'' - i agree with dave being a piece of crap, but to be guilty of following thru with killing all those woman children and men burning them alive - there were def plenty of sadistic minds at the top to cause this.

[@janisyoung9682]

I wish one of those press people had taken pictures of that front door before it was destroyed.

[@mudtrucking]

Dang that's how we as Americans feel still to this day. Wow

[@mrwilfredmyers7566]

Phone conversation. One an honest man doing what he felt was the decent honest thing. The others are sychiatrists. How ever they choose to make up their names. Boths all on the same path. Just on differing layers of understanding daily shite.

[@jedsteelwell2354]

All they did was attack and murder these people!!

[@Amber-fd4zr]

Worst negotiator.

[@jennifferjude3156]

I want to know the reason the govt came down on these people? What was the reason because the govt came TO David, he wasn't holding hostages and he didn't start this thing. Those people where there because they believed in him, why was the govt so eager to annihilate this guy? This was not a hostage situation he was not a terrorist. Its unbelievable.

[@jennifferjude3156]

They brought his prophecy into fruition. And I realize that's a controversial thing to say but they WANTED him dead, all of them, they were never coming out of there alive. And its that eagerness that accents this prophecy. Did they think he was the real deal too? Did they think if they killed him and anyone attacked to him that they could avoid the Apocalypse?

[@messaround9502]

Branch davidians were converting semi auto weapons to fully auto is why atf went in also koresh was fuckin underage girls

[@fivebrosstopmos]

They were needing a big flashy magazine cover after Ruby Ridge, they found shaky evidence on this weird cult guy that had lots of rumors and accusations going around and saw a golden opportunity to prevent defunding.

[@bearrage80]

They wanted Koresh for weapons charges. They had a multitude of illegal full auto firearms and a 50 cal up at Mount Carmel. And they with all that they had grenades and other explosives that are illegal to own. They woulda been put away for 20 years on felony gun charges for all that.

[@bearrage80]

They also wanted to apprehend Koresh for having sex and relationships with under age girls. They needed him out.

[@justmedee1959]

Sabbath keepers have always been the enemy of the Jesuits. It's their mission to silence the Sabbath keepers.

[@johnmacchione4345]

19:50 foreshadowed they were never going to surrender

[@NatalieScanlon]

Andto think our congress and senate reviewed every second, saw the bodies of kidsin the tracks of the tanks, saw video of them setting the fires, sooting from helicopters but still sad yep our government did nothing wrong at all

[@theburningelement.6447]

Never calmed to be Jesus, now the truth comes out

[@adamirishconundrum851]

Big John McCarthy stole David Koresh's line, "lets get it on"

[@privatedeletebuttongooglei5221]

The only time they ever heard father jairos vouce on a phone was right after Amanda Cardilli died and the police asked me if there is anyone they could call to help me? I said father jairo and that policeman called him and then handed me the phibe and father jairo was on the phone and I said Amanda died. He acted like he could not understand englush and so then I said Amanda is muerte. He acted very sad abd then the poluce took the phone back and had me keep sitting on my front porch.

[@uldrensav972]

Oh, I still believe!!!!

[@BMG060981]

They were all David Koresh.

[@NatalieScanlon]

When we win this in court were coming back here, suredidnt sound like a man bent on death. He had future plans. This was mass murder of the worst kind

[@johnblooston7749]

This guy is a negotiator wow ..

[@privatedeletebuttongooglei5221]

They are the stockton diocese

[@karencarter8292]

Steve Schneider was absolutely right. God bless his soul.

[@billmiller3425]

Not true, his last words were "Is he pointing a gun at me?

[@theburningelement.6447]

Unbelievable, as i see what is happening, he wasn't wrong about our government

[@AmisH-q4h]

A democratic society administration was under control during this situation.

[@hanzdolo4328]

That is a man dedicated to his family. He bowed down to no one. They tried so hard with intimidation tactics. He said no. Bring it. A true patriot.

[@letsgetlit2829]

Fathering numerous babies with other men’s wives and teenagers… this guys a hero. Clearly had zero motive but God’s will… Just had to get some power sex in on the side.. because you know, it’s what god would have wanted.

[@nicholasrosebush6182]

Are you insane? This man was a criminal, pedophile, and a con man.

[@dp5707]

Crazy man

[@TonyCook7]

Yeah okay…

[@goldengoose6769]

And the sexual abuse against children?

[@korinhambrightwilliams4993]

This is now a civil case

[@JousePortillo-y3e]

Im josue portillo ive never forgotten my role past present ,future ,im still alive .

[@noway57]

Tell me some some Waco streets then. Liar until then. Name some local biz. I am waco man 37yrs. U fucked around in bellmead?

[@worldwithpeace4ever]

🥀

[@brettrosenberg]

I mean Koresh is a mess. Not credible. Can't make me believe that HE believes it, so what's his motive? He was determined for it to have this type of end and played the government's fear of another Jonestown. Talking about prophesy and his '68 Camaro. Come on.

[@juancarloslbuisman]

Ronald McDonalds put 'em in order, didn't he?

[@allenschmitz9644]

Janet Reno Love Letter.

[@merlin6625]

It's Vernon Howell not David Koresh, he only imagined that was his name.

[@julesfalcone]

I enjoyed the documentary. I assumed Koresh was a little socially awkward; as in "too Preachy" all the time. After listening I see he's totally normal, lucid, rational etc. He should have walked out with his lawyer. He would more than likely get a jury to see he's a cool guy.

[@billcarson818]

It was a cult and the leader was a manipulative psychopath. This event alone proved that it was a dangerous cult. Why would he risk the families, pregnant women and children? That showed clearly that he didnt care about them. Used them as human shields basically and for his ego. Lied many several times during the negotiation, broke his promise, typical for his character. And then of course killed them. It was all about him and his delusions. A pathetic excuse of a human being. Cults are very often formed by manipulation of people, the religious part makes it easier of course to manipulate people.

[@atnisthetitan]

That's what he was in the process of doing, they had an entire surrender plan in place between David and the rest of the Branch Davidians, The Lawyers and The Federal government. Then the FBI knowing they were wrong according to evidence. So they started destroying everything to cover up their illegal actions. They were coming out in 7 days. The FBI negotiator even ordered David a computer to finish his book faster after the commanders had already decided to go in, the negotiation team wasn't told and were lied too. As we're we all. Godbless.

[@fivebrosstopmos]

He just was just shot at, no rational man is going to walk back out to the people that opened fire on him unarmed.

[@korinhambrightwilliams4993]

Where is the arrest warrant

[@khurrumsardar8780]

He is dead for good

[@letsgetlit2829]

He ain’t in heaven right now. Hate to break it to everyone.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

Thanks. I'm glad you have the epistemic hubris to either sin against your so called god by assuming my fathers fate and or against your limited frame of reference by making conclusions about the threshold to which we are unfortunately restricted. Perhaps your ontological reality is unlike mine, but it appears this is you opining and thinking you're making some sort of point, but you're not. Grow up.

[@sanmcnellis94]

Hate to break it to you. There is no heaven and hell. Those are religious tools used for control and compliance.

[@dank9349]

even if he isn't in "heaven" what was done by the U.S government at Waco was a disgrace to everything this country stands for

[@SustainableEnslavementAgenda]

@@sanmcnellis94 You have it backwards. The system promotes secularism and an atheist, materialistic worldview so that the state replaces God and it can use the power of propaganda and the media to redefine good and evil according to the political agenda of those in power. People are more controllable and easily manipulated through appeal to fear because they believe this life is all there is and are afraid of death. In the last few years we have had a great example of how fear of death has been used as a tool for control and compliance

[@teewoods4886]

He definitely not

[@LOGICZOMBIE]

OBRA MAESTRA

[@heatherbellamy596]

De acuerdo.

[@billcarson818]

It was a cult and the leader was a manipulative psychopath. This event alone proved that it was a dangerous cult. Why would he risk the families, pregnant women and children? That showed clearly that he didnt care about them. Used them as human shields basically and for his ego. Lied many several times during the negotiation, broke his promise, typical for his character. And then of course killed them. It was all about him and his delusions. A pathetic excuse of a human being. Cults are very often formed by manipulation of people, the religious part makes it easier of course to manipulate people.

[@NT-qj1sy]

David was trying to negotiate in good faith.

[@WasOne2]

What is the long conversation between an Agent and a religious nut? I'm sympathetic to the Branch Dravidians, but that long religious diatribe is the kind of nonsense that drove me far away from the world of religion. The word is coming to an end ???

[@Adam444Tv]

Yup

[@strangebrew1231]

Well for these people the world definitely ended. A cult means you can’t leave.

[@ostentatioussavant6975]

Stay away from privileged white people. They all racist, whether religious or not.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

I’m super glad your solipsistic relationship with religion distracts from the murder of my siblings with CS gas

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

@@ostentatioussavant6975 you stupid fuck. Guess what? I have nine percent African dna on my fathers side and the majority of members were actually National and ethnic minorities. Try again retard

[@korinhambrightwilliams4993]

I need a copy of the arrest warrant

[@Goparescum]

Why are you worried about an arrest warrant? Are you one of those sick people

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

@@Goparescum yo momma is so one dimensional that you putt the ass in assumption. And yo momma so lacking in justice and a sense of fairness that you need to shut up! ooooOoooooH

[@skipads5141]

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[@sanmcnellis94]

@@Goparescum You're sick trying to justify a mass murder by the gov. Innocent until proven guilty.

[@sixslinger9951]

you sound like a looney Branch Davidian

[@the_anxious_autistic]

Really the only person being punished was David. But instead of being a man and owning up to what he was doing he made everyone suffer with him

[@Jarhead1313]

What he was doing? People followed him, he didn't put a gun to anyone's head. The ATF did all that...

[@katatonikbliss]

he didn't force anyone to stay with him, he allowed anyone that wanted to leave to do so. and he didn't force anyone to suffer with him; the ATF forced them to suffer. david koresh was a scumbag and a pedophile (legal or not), but what the feds did was way worse than anything he was guilty of. they had several opportunities to arrest him peacefully before the siege, but all they wanted to do was murder innocent people.

[@surfboardjoker6299]

@@Jarhead1313 he was a crazy cult leader who had a dozen wives, one of which was underage. he was just a crazy narcissist and the fact that he still has people under his thumb today is terrifying and sad. he got innocent people killed by a corrupt government agency because he was a power hungry heathen who claimed to be the messiah.

[@Kez_h]

@@Jarhead1313 I suggest you watch a documentary about David himself and not just ones about the Waco stand off. He wasn't "just" someone people followed. He sexually abused and impregnated young girls. How the ATF handled that was fucked but David thought he was the son of God and justified his manipulation and abuse.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

Thanks guys! You’re right. My siblings should’ve been gassed.

[@RedDawnReadiness]

I believe he was a part of MK ultra…. Just doesn’t seem like any other logical conclusion

[@KoreshDabar-YHWHbenYisrael]

If you follow Christ, you know exactly what happened here. There is a specific reason David, My brothers Manuscript was only the first seal. David fulfilled what he was sent to do. I am finishing it.

[@OneNationxUnderDog]

This is the opposite of De-Escalation, i would be very skeptical if I were David too! They know the govt will never let them leave with their lives, and they are scared and completely cut off from the world, there is so much that is wrong with how Waco was handled, but knowing that this tape is from only a few days before 70+ people die gruesomely, this is all just shocking how awful they treated these people.

[@DarkerThanBlack88]

Vernon Howell aka david koresh he was in the right

[@juancarloslbuisman]

Let me guess. Ronald McDonald was a savior for The People after-all?

[@hanzdolo4328]

What is the tri lateral commission? I guess trump ain’t a member either.

[@totalgamer1819]

Darkness in the Light! See the Armies sitting around the camps, don't you wonder who they are?

[@hypatiastanhope8273]

🤔

[@mamaraccoon42069]

“I’d be splitting out of this place I’m so sick of MRE” LMAO I can’t blame him rip never forget this chad

[@xeniacollins9514]

The man was a demon. A master manipulator. He took everything in the Bible and twisted it up. He was no Messiah. The way he describes why he named himself Koresh is a dead give away too. You can hear the evil and poison spew from his mouth.

[@mikedorsey7183]

He got exactly what he fucking deserved.

[@adamirishconundrum851]

Damn right that coward did, he was a madman

[@Demonicintrovert666]

@@adamirishconundrum851no he’s a hero

[@fivebrosstopmos]

For what, exactly? What did he do to have him, his wives, children, and church to be gassed and burnt to death after 51 days of torture?

[@rc59191]

​@@adamirishconundrum851 oh and all the children that got caught in the fire that the FBI started did they deserve it too? Y'all have lost it if you're defending the FBI's actions.

[@ST-xg3gy]

Think of all the little David Koreshes running around out there right now!😮

[@brosephyolonarovichstalin2915]

He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy. ATF 1993.

[@noway57]

By the the suspension bridge they got a memorial for the fools.

[@danasrustytypewriter]

He opened the 7th Seal 🔥

[@benadams1661]

Where can we get our hands on his deciphered seven seals? (original manuscripts only please authenticated and verified copies only will be accepted), it's gonna change the world!

[@heatherbellamy596]

He didn’t get to finish them - the morning after sending in typewriter ribbon, they went in with CS gas and tore down much of the building - destroyed all exits except one not visible to the media cameras in the back. About an hour before the fire started, one of the fbi commanders did a press release and announced that Koresh had not done anything of his work on the Seven Seals. But then Ruth Riddle exited through the 2nd floor, breaking her ankle when she jumped out the building through a hole made by tanks…and in spite of that and the flames she tried to go back inside and agents dragged her away. In her pocket she had a disc and on it, the completed First Seal. It’s available online - it’s really long and in depth. He only got the chance to finish the first one and he hadn’t been lying when he said the first Seal was finished. Makes me utterly sick.

[@curtisowen3233]

I love when people make out real life to have a videogame narrative. "Open ALL 7 SEALS! Become Grand Master LAMB OF GOD! and FIGHT to bring about THE APOCALYPSE!!!" I'd buy that game! Oh that'd be awesome! In the game you play koresh at the compound and the goal is to level up by opening the seals, and the goal is to get all 7 while repulsing increasingly aggressive waves of federal bureaucracy!

[@danasrustytypewriter]

@@curtisowen3233 I'd play the hell out of that. The final boss would be Chuck Shoomer

[@Spooky_515]

@@curtisowen3233 your doing that yourself. Relating everything you see through video games

[@javstr84]

sick guy sleeping with those underage girls and he killed those babies

[@michaelcollins1425]

David koresh said he wasn't sleeping with other women or underage only hos wife but I don't know

[@MasterJunior93]

He didn't really killed those babies, but he put them in a position to be killed. The Feds took care of the rest. It was all a joint effort of miscommunication, religious fanaticism, and unethical action from the government's side. Everything could have been avoided, if everyone simply put away their guns, and talked.

[@TheGhostManN]

​@@michaelcollins1425 Do you expect him to say yes to it??...Do you think he nor anyone would admit on camera or a recorder they are a pedo?? I have yet heard anyone say anything that egregious or remotely close to I married a 10 and 14 yr old and got her pregnant!...that dude was a real pos...the cops botched and messed up during the raid..but David ( Vernon ) was a wet shit stain!

[@Demonicintrovert666]

😂

[@fivebrosstopmos]

Except the CPS debunked all those BS claims bootlicker.

[@drakenpage777]

Waco is the perfect example of Murphy law, everthing that could Go wrong went wrong in the most terrible way that could Go.

[@Spooky_515]

Nah everything that happened there was exactly what the government wanted.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

I sure wish you "experts" would cease editing the record like this.

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

However, I simultaneously understand there is a compromise amongst the legacy media and those who earn tenure and gain research and other forms of grants to reinforce a narrative, whether or not they believe it to be the case, that more or less creates a facsimile of truth and that results in a public that solipsistically engages in symbolic honesty of the discursively meaningless. This is every conversation where the half conscious mind somehow creates a reference to something of which it is willing to concede by no means, and one will encounter the entire gamut of informal fallacies in all of their articulations, inhabiting multiple offenses with one insult after the other... and when you speak to this or these types of people they will never extend to you the charity you are willing to extend to them and they will latch onto absurdities to justify their behaviors and the limited frame of reference will inform their righteousness, as merely the echo of an idea which they came to offhandedly from a friend they disagree with on every other topic, a parents haphazard incomplete and assumptive choice to imagine a set of assumptions and take great offense at the isolated matter at hand, a red herring for dinner and one forgets the pursuit of anything but their own agenda and if truth that standards of integrity would be presented, shrudhdidkemshusfmofkgbridnfkfkf -this is me growing irritated with pecking of my thumbs on an autocorrect mobile KZbin interface and ultimately remembering how much my words in this medium require a list of.... Nevermind: I need to begin recording myself before a camera to get used to my speech again and stop having the car c rather than mere inertia that has ideologically plagued America for some time in their desire to appear self aware (reactionary when it counts and thus pawns of every scheme, constantly surprised by the manipulation and corruption of the elite; through a symbolic blind spot confused as freedom when it's oppressive and somehow influenced through the citizens vote when the elite laugh at us from their extension through corporatism and controlled opposition by laughable figures such as "Q")

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

I'm leaving my jumbled and dissected rant up because it reflects the stupidity of my current reality of endlessly obfuscating the matters while being unaware of the silent agreements and prejudices I am met with by virtue of my genealogy. The nightmare of my fathers worst qualities being projected onto me if I manage to get through the denial reinforced by so called purveyors of NEW INSIGHTS AND NEW INFORMATION. I could slap every one of these fucking jokers.

[@Tuocal01]

Weirdos got what was coming to them

[@Demonicintrovert666]

Whine

[@fivebrosstopmos]

Just wait until you're arbitrarily branded a weirdo.

[@PurpleDragonz55]

25: mention of Illuminati. Wild

[@tango-bravo]

Did Ronald Reagan call Koresh??

[@pamgessler5923]

This happened under the Clinton administration.

[@fivebrosstopmos]

No.

[@andrewisjesus]

This is how black people get treated by local and federal law enforcement

[@l_shaun_bunds_l]

Yeah a majority of the davidians were and still are minorities and oftentimes not from America.

[@ostentatioussavant6975]

White people always trying to trick black people. All white people are racist as hell, and anyone that has a relationship (whether religious, business, or otherwise) with a white person is asking for evil to enter their life.

[@Jarhead1313]

And David was white and most of his followers were too Wow! It's crazy that only black people are treated bad these days........

[@katatonikbliss]

"white trash" isn't treated any better than minorities

[@andrewisjesus]

@@l_shaun_bunds_l my comment wasn't necessarily to do them being a minority it was due to them being perceived as a threat for having the firearms. For firing back at officers trespassing on their property. There have been tons of cases where people have called the police for assistance at their home, one instance I can think of was a mentally ill young man who had gotten in an argument with his family and his family called the police to kind of have the police come speak to him and maybe scare him into calming down. And the police walked through the gate he saw the kid in the window and shot him killed him dead on the spot through the window from outside. The family were horrified and freaked out. Basically they're not acting out of good faith, they're coming at you with hostility when you are supposed to be the person with the benefit of the doubt legally. They should only react to aggression. They shouldn't come at you aggressively because that raises tensions and hostility. Particularly when they're giving carte blanche to kill you if they have a hunch that their life may be in danger. People can say whatever they want to but the attitude of kill the threat is absolutely the mentality that officers are trained with and there are certain groups in the country, I just mentioned black people but the Branch davidians fit the category of weird others who the media has labeled as being "disgruntled and violent and ready to shoot you at any minute" To all the detractors, the reality is is that this situation was so unjust the people are out of their mind if they don't think that the ethnicity of the people involved plays a role. Had it been the early 20th century some radical Christian evoking a bunch of Jewish garbage after having visited Jerusalem.. they would have burned the place down and been treated as Heroes

[@teewoods4886]

He was sleeping and grooming kids the most disturbing ish..out of all of it

[@faith4freedom76]

Was there any proof from possible victims stating this?

[@followtheciaence]

according to two paid informants

[@Demonicintrovert666]

😂😂

[@fivebrosstopmos]

​@@faith4freedom76No. CPS actually cleared him of all allegations well before the raid.

[@MadGunny]

@@fivebrosstopmosyeah cause CPS is reliable… lol

[@inheavenandinhell]

Rest in Peace. You're missed.

[@YuBetchya]

C’mon people here who are trying to criticize the fbi. Koresh was playing a game of just giving more reasons to never come out. He had only completed 1 chapter and had 6 more to go. That could have taken that idiot 60 years to finish

[@hanzdolo4328]

S po how much does the agency pay you to troll? David could have killed every single agent on his property. They owed him their lives and could have waited ten years on him to surrender just as a thanks for sparing them a loss of every life he saved. Period

[@Gonegorl]

they should have just left them the fuck alone! So because koresh wouldnt come out, it was okay to gas the living daylights out of them with a chemical mixture that resulted in creating a mass amount of cyanide?! Gassing little babies with cyanide?! Not to mention, you can clearly see on the FLIR imaging it was the FBI who started those fires! They purposefully created an inferno to burn everything to the ground...and anyone who was left that didnt die from the gassing - all while destroying all the evidence. Yeah, but lets blame koresh. smh.

[@sixslinger9951]

@@Gonegorl so you condone child abuse and rape of children by this FREAK DAVID?

[@pamgessler5923]

In the name of protecting the children, the government massacred everyone on that compound, and we still don't know what "crime" they committed. It is also completely illegal and unConstitutional to use the military against American citizens.

[@EtherealAriel]

That and he had several opportunities to hand over the children and wouldn't. He would display his power over the church members by going for jogs, etc. while they obediently wait and stay indoors because he said so.