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@waterlinestoriesАй бұрын
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@Will-dn9dqАй бұрын
Knew a guy long time ago that "died" shallow cave diving in Ocean. He saw he was out if air an waved to his partner signs out of air. Remove his own air mask he inhaled deeply. Woke up on the boat his heart didn't stop. The others on board Just needed to get his lungs pumping get water out air in. He was a former military guy but not a diver or navy lol. Love your stories ❤
@mirandahotspring401925 күн бұрын
As a dive instructor I used to tell my students if they forget all else remember these six words. "Plan your dive, dive your plan!" They broke this rule when they had used one third of their air and decided to keep going!
@billcallahan9303Ай бұрын
In my opinion, this presenter is the best on KZbin & elsewhere. Incredibly able to make sense of & simplify complicated scenarios to the general public. Very well done sir!
@waterlinestoriesАй бұрын
Thanks, I really appreciate that
@twalicekАй бұрын
@@waterlinestories i agree! hope to see more cave diving stories from you too!
@TransberrylemonaidАй бұрын
@@waterlinestoriesAgreed! Thank you for your hard work in bringing us these stories. That the people are not forgot, and the lessons shared.
@neilbeesley8758Ай бұрын
atlest he is not ai
@keananpaul8494Ай бұрын
Edmund fitzegerald enjoyers got all up in arms on one of his videos lol
@loobielou6965Ай бұрын
Gadz, I found myself holding my breath multiple times during this. Honestly can not understand why people do this for "fun" 😨
@Maxine1630Ай бұрын
Oh my goodness me too!!
@uok5598Ай бұрын
Gadz is an awfully underrated term, how have I never heard it before? 😂
@diapysikАй бұрын
@@uok5598never heard gadzooks?
@sham421Ай бұрын
Yeah. You have to be very good AND very lucky.
@user-mg6wn4hs5tАй бұрын
I am beyond convinced that cave divers that go to such extremes & push the boundaries between life & death to razor-thin margins, have to have a secret death wish of some kind.
@justahuman8790Ай бұрын
I once dropped my lighter behind my bed. I had to get on my knees stretching as far as possible, carefully avoiding all pots and socks. We are basically the same.
@stuartgmkАй бұрын
😅😅😅
@andykitchen5225Ай бұрын
Lol
@K1lostream20 күн бұрын
You can’t leave us on a cliffhanger like this! Did you find the lighter? Or does it remain lost to this day, buried under a sock-fall?
@MaybeSerai17 күн бұрын
@@K1lostream Exactly!! We need to know the truth. THE WORLD DESERVES TO KNOW
@maivaiva141217 күн бұрын
pots??????
@skullsaintdeadАй бұрын
Damn Farr got really lucky, going past 1/3rd, even beyond 1/2 tank supply is insane & then even wanting to search in the 4th pocket after hours of waiting... If his mate hadn't of cut the line, they'd surely both have died. Its incredible how fallible humans are to confirmation bias & our desire to 'complete' the job, forgoing our own safety requirements.
@foo219Ай бұрын
Don't you mean the sunk cost fallacy? "I've gone so far, I can't turn back now."
@johnellisonarmadilloconstr796628 күн бұрын
Even if they would have made it to another section unexplored… who cares? You found another nothing woohoo.
@skullsaintdead27 күн бұрын
@@foo219 Its both (& thank you for reminding me of the other logical fallacy I couldn't remember at the time). Confirmation bias = I want my friend to be alive, so I'll wait for hours in a air pocket, even venture back into the water despite having _less than 1/2 gas left_ (!) & only when evidence surfaces that undoubtedly points to his demise & my inability to find him (rope cut), will I rethink my biases (e.g. now I know he's dead & I'm in peril). Logical fallacies often overlap.
@foo21926 күн бұрын
@@skullsaintdead You're making me wish I had studied more logic and debating. I know some countries have debating clubs and such, but it's not really a thing here sadly. Still, it's always a treat to have a rare civil discussion in the KZbin comments, and with someone clearly better educated.
@skullsaintdead26 күн бұрын
@@foo219 Bless, that's very kind. Thank you, too, for your thoughtful contribution to the discussion. Initially, I never much enjoyed public speaking at school or part-way into uni, but this was just because I have rosacea & my face would get red when I spoke up (you can actually feel your heartbeat in the redness of your face - its painful tbh, plus the awful look of it, hated my skin to the pont of body dysmorphia; I'm very pale which I like, just not the redness (& acne back then); blue eyes, blonde hair makes rosacea worse, somewhat rare look esp for an Aussie chick). But, then I got a medication called Deralin which stopped my face going red, part-way through uni. I remember the 1st time i look it for a presentation, I was actually enjoying my time on stage! Now I love giving talks, speaking in groups etc. Incredible what physiological responses can do to stifle creativity & self-confidence. There's this really good, short video on KZbin called 'Locical fallacies explained' something along those lines. It breaks down all the logical fallacies we encounter in our lives. Very interesting. Highly reccomend!
@Melanie16040Ай бұрын
As a cave diver, you got an instant thumbs up when you pointed out that we are responsible for ourselves when we enter a cave. At no point should we have less than twice what is necessary to make it out of a cave from where we are by ourselves unless there has been a failure.
@jackgoff4859Ай бұрын
Anyone doing this type of thing should sign a waiver so that taxpayers don't have to pay a 200 person crew to rescue their bad decisions.
@ratulxyАй бұрын
@@jackgoff4859nonsense.
@SlimSlashieАй бұрын
Unless I'm reading it wrong, your comment makes you sound reckless. (Now if you're talking about solo cave diving... ignore this, because that's just foolish.) You said you're a cave diver so I figure you're trained, which means I figure you're smart enough to not go solo, which means you look out for your dive buddy, and they look out for you. I guess the part that's reckless is the "make it out by ourselves" part. That is a catastrophic event that we all hope never happens, but if we're together we can survive (some) catastrophic events. Unless, I mean, like, "dude's eaten by a shark, and I will be to unless..." (Which won't happen in a cave...) Now, like I said, if you're diving caves alone, go for it. To me, it's just not worth the risk, but you do you, and I wish you the best, and yeah, ignore everything I said and be safe. You dive rebreathers or straight tanks?
@tonfleuren3536Ай бұрын
@@jackgoff4859 Most divers nowadays have special insurance to cover accidents, to cover both the rescue and emergency medical aid (such as a hyperbaric chamber). Are you sure you never do anything that could result in you having to be rescued?
@nodidog29 күн бұрын
@@jackgoff4859 You'd agree that the same waivers should be signed before travelling in a car too, right?
@TscaperockАй бұрын
If you are in a cave with half of a tank of gas, you are planning to die! You always have a reserve when diving a cave.
@brandonagil6028Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t do that if you paid me for it but doing that for fun is crazy
@ramblingriverАй бұрын
I just can't understand why someone continues after 50% of the air is gone, or even 33%! Even if you find an air pocket, it's not like you can pump air back into the tanks. Another great episode.
@bluebelle8823Ай бұрын
I understand it. He was a man who wanted to leave a mark on the world and a discoverer. It is a whole other mindset, it it meant pushing limits and taking risks. He just lost sight of self preservation.
@JackeryyrekcajАй бұрын
@@bluebelle8823so an idiot?
@user-mg6wn4hs5tАй бұрын
I think somewhere in their head/mind is a secret death wish of some kind. There's no other way to explain why they would take some of the risks they did. It is not logical nor intelligent. I know it takes different types to make the world go round, but for the life of me I don't get taking those risks for underwater caves. I mean, like for explorers looking for new lands/continents in the past...somehow I "understand" that. Like Shackleton going to Antarctica..yes..& he came so close to death, too. But for a cave that no one else would really even have the opportunity to see & know what risks were taken for such a closed-off place? Nah.
@suzyrottencrotch5132Ай бұрын
@@bluebelle8823lol….
@foo219Ай бұрын
@@bluebelle8823 A discovery is only worthwhile if you come back to report on it. Otherwise you end up as just a statistic.
@johnnunn8688Ай бұрын
There are some totally AMAZING sights in cave systems. I’ll just look at the pics, thanks. Wild horses etc.
@VotraeАй бұрын
Your skill in illustrative writing is outstanding. With diving, you don't need to look far back in history to see shocking differences in diver planning, discipline, and equipment. My heart goes out to family of the deceased
@BrenMurphy1Ай бұрын
outrageous ego
@daveclarke6481Ай бұрын
Deciding to break the rule of thirds is a conscious act of insanity.
@michaelogden5958Ай бұрын
This, my friends, is storytelling at its finest. Well done, Mr. Waterline! I've done quite a bit of open water diving, but even when I was young and invincible, cave diving was a "Nope. Not gonna do it." thing for me. Cave diving is even lower on my list of things to do than parachuting. 😳
@larryfromwisconsin9970Ай бұрын
I learned to SCUBA dive in 1974 and in 2006 I did training through Divemaster. I have done cave and wreck diving and lived. It's about training and discipline. Hit the limit and turn around. Live to dive another day.
@mestep511Ай бұрын
Hard to get past my crippling claustrophobia and watch. Great story told very well. You’re good at this.
@LowlyGamer17 күн бұрын
My Dad was a diver and rebreather instructor for many years. I'm glad I didn't find this channel while he was still diving otherwise I'd have been constantly worried about him.
@stephenashford9006Ай бұрын
I know the whole point is that feeling of adventure and discovery but one of the places where specialist drones would come in really helpful would be caving/cave diving.
@DYESIXАй бұрын
Especially since it would eliminate situations and what ifs like this. They'd still be the first person in the cave but they wouldn't risk their life. He did say that cavers don't dive without redundancies now but still...
@johnnunn8688Ай бұрын
Drones cost money, I doubt many cavers have any spare. One would need underwater and above water drones. How big would a drone have to be, to carry, say, an air cylinder? You’ve not thought this through, have you?
@DYESIXАй бұрын
@@johnnunn8688 The idea isn't for the divers themselves to pay for the drones but rather a preliminary exploration to be done by an alternate authority (or sure the divers if they have the funds for it) before divers are even sent in. Also submersible drones have been utilized in similar situations and are entirely suitable for this use and would not need to carry an air cylinder period, let alone for people who would not be traversing the area in the cave its exploring until its done? You really are just being an absolute ass over an innocent idea in a KZbin comment section aren't you? Insufferable.
@stephenashford9006Ай бұрын
@@johnnunn8688 yeah I totally understand what you’re saying, of course there’d be engineering and monetary challenges so not necessarily a case that everyone would be able to do it and even then I wouldn’t want them to totally replace human exploration but still think it could be a worthwhile line of research and development for some cases. I’m just a viewer of this kinda thing, you’d never get me going anywhere like these people go so I will never truly understand.
@maddeeps5520Ай бұрын
@@johnnunn8688 I don't think he means drones to bring supplies... I think what he was trying to refer to was just carrying a small ROV that you can just send down ahead of you into these unmapped sumps to scout if there is even an air pocket on the other end to swim to. Obviously it brings it's own logistical challenge because you'd need to get all that through the sumps and caves preceding where the unknown begins and even a small ROV still needs a long spool of cable to power it
@campwest4099Ай бұрын
Always enjoy the Waterline content! This one had me squirming in my chair during the second half. Why individuals would do this is beyond me. There's just no way I could do something like this without panicking. Keep up the great work!
@ataphelicopter5734Ай бұрын
God I gotta get into cave diving so I can mysteriously die in an accident and become a documentary on this channel
@nullptr472Ай бұрын
There is no better way to achieve immortality than dying in a unique and terrifying way.
@TheAdventuresofLeowchuАй бұрын
Please survive so you can be a plot twist 🥹
@Jenna_MilesАй бұрын
@@TheAdventuresofLeowchu Far more people survive cave diving than die from it!
@user-te6dk5zi6uАй бұрын
Kinda. It’s like BASE jumping; eventually it has a better chance than not of killing you.
@Jenna_MilesАй бұрын
@@user-te6dk5zi6u Yeah but that’s true for driving a car too 🤷♀️ Guess you gotta pick which risks you take in life. For me - it’s taking more than the recommended dosage of vitagummies 😎😎
@Redacted-InformationАй бұрын
This story is causing me Way to much anxiety!
@themostbeautifulworldeverАй бұрын
Thank you for sharing their stories and making a beautiful video.
@err98darksynth56Ай бұрын
Honestly if i wanted to explore a underwater cave, i would just use a drone at this point😢
@markbowles238221 күн бұрын
Really excellent professional work - no hype - just serious, respectful and informative while relating the circumstances as apparently truthful AND acknowledging all guesses and presumptions and any shortfalls of evidence - well done sir.
@waterlinestories21 күн бұрын
Thanks. That's what I'm aiming for. Glad to see some glimpses shining through. 👍🏻
@jordanrussell34523 күн бұрын
I look forward to all your releases, thank you for all the time you spend developing your craft and content!
@devun1999Ай бұрын
Commenting for the algorithm, Absolutely love these videos, thank you so much!
@Jenna_MilesАй бұрын
God this is a harrowing story. I can’t imagine turning back when that big discovery you’re owed could be just a little further. Nor can I imagine risking going ahead. Especially given the state of equipment they were working with compared to what’s available these days. And the horror Farr must have felt realising his mate was still following him… You’ve gotten very good at relaying stories like this factually but without losing the emotional gravity. On ya, mate 🙏🙏 From, your friend, Jenna
@woodafyАй бұрын
I love your videos! Respectful, informative and well made. Keep it up!😁🎉 I'm so exited every time there's another upload😊👍
@waterlinestoriesАй бұрын
Thanks, I really appreciate that
@delilahboaАй бұрын
Me too @woodafy
@762SuperАй бұрын
Another great presentation. Thanks!
@gowdsake710312 күн бұрын
You like strange hand wags then
@dayniasykora7213Ай бұрын
Best retelling of this story that I’ve heard. Well done.
@tamisthewizard3199Ай бұрын
You mentioned his aluminium tanks, I like to use steel tanks for my dives since I can hold more air and don’t need as much weight in my belt, despite their weight increase I figured cave divers would be all over them.
@mindypatterson7302Ай бұрын
I can only imagine the sinking feeling of absolute dread he had when pulling back a cut line.
@michaeljohn7398Ай бұрын
Excellent Narration, Cheers from Michael. Australia
@Christiaanwebb28 күн бұрын
This channel is awesome. Thank you!
@felixar90Ай бұрын
Yeah I'd say he's rugged. Cave diving must be rough on the body. 23 years old looks like he's double that age.
@mccoybyz1099Ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, like dam! He's only 23!! You look 40 bro!
@robydee920Ай бұрын
@@mccoybyz1099 He's 73, he was born in 1951.
@TailGunner1978Ай бұрын
I though the same but the story is 50 years old and the guy survived so those are probably later pics of him.
@bigglock5478Ай бұрын
@@TailGunner1978ah - that makes sense lol.
@peterharris38Ай бұрын
That's what I thought too 😮😢
@OmegaPaladin144Ай бұрын
You have the best perspective on diving incidents anywhere on KZbin. I once had a technical diver as an Uber driver (it was his off season) and I wish I could have told him about your channel.
@FreeGaza.LaurieАй бұрын
Ground news seems really good. Important to know the biases when we read information. As always thanks for a great video 🙂
@leonbrgАй бұрын
Amazing story telling ! Surprised channel not well known it seems. Great job !!
@waterlinestoriesАй бұрын
Thanks🤛🏻
@blackhawkorgАй бұрын
Excellent presentation. Know when to bug out.
@B0M0A0KАй бұрын
Another horrific tale, but once again, you are so good at narrating these stories. Great work as always, but so dark and for a non -diver somewhat confounding.
@animusadvertere3371Ай бұрын
Early 20s, i'm just so surprised that they didn't have great judgment. /s
@bok..Ай бұрын
This video was so good! One of my favourites now for sure!
@waterlinestoriesАй бұрын
🤛🏻 awesome
@chesspiece81Ай бұрын
Can breathe in the dry sections without using their oxygen? Would the air between the sumps have enough oxygen to be able to sustain a human for a short time?
@AN-123459 күн бұрын
Yes, that's why Farr was waiting in the dry area before number 4 before pulling in the line. It was an area he could breathe in without depleting a tank.
@fatovamingusАй бұрын
You need to have someone nominate you for a TED talk. In the meantime : Cave Diving! So when you get caught doing something stupid you can say "yeah well at least I didn't go cave diving!"
@nathankettle357Ай бұрын
Ted talks are incredibly dumb. I recommend The Onion talks
@fatovamingusАй бұрын
@@nathankettle357 he does have a good sense of humor but I just don't know that they'd be that much interest. When I did MY Onion Talk "I'm 48 I squandered all of my talent and achieved nothing absolutely nothing" it went well.
@riseandshinejpАй бұрын
TED is trash
@interstingfacts587Ай бұрын
Great cover!
@janisbaumrucker34312 күн бұрын
You did an amazing job telling this story! You have an incredible gift. I felt like I was there!
@waterlinestories2 күн бұрын
Thanks for your support
@janisbaumrucker34312 күн бұрын
@@waterlinestories Thank you for taking the time to properly tell these fellow's story.
@davidicke2415Ай бұрын
I have no sympathy for people who do this stupid, pointless bs.
@williamglaser6577Ай бұрын
Great Story, haveing been there and done that, it brought back a lot of memories for me.
@ryangalante29 күн бұрын
This guy is brilliant. love this channel
@waterlinestories29 күн бұрын
👍🏻
@berryreading480915 күн бұрын
Almost to 130,000 subscribers! and I'm guessing it won't stop there 😉👍I remember commenting you had a great recipe for success and for the algorithm back before 10k! Maybe even 5k subscribers? 🤔 Goes to show how great you have been at researching, presenting, and editing these videos! 👏 I must say even though you started off extremely strong, your presentations have only become even more polished! Thank you for the hard work! It's nice to watch your channel gain the viewership it deserves while educating people and promoting safety. Thanks for another great video! 👍Also glad to see that your growth has attracted some decent paid advertising opportunities, since adsense pay sure isn't what it used to be, especially for content that may get algorithm or monetization restricted, so I'm happy to watc paid advertisements knowing how much work you've put in this channel for measly returns from adsense alone... Keep it up! 👍
@waterlinestories15 күн бұрын
Thanks. It's great for me to see people who I recognise from the early days. Thanks for sticking around and continuing to support. I really do appreciate that.
@HandyMan657Ай бұрын
23 ? That's a rough 23, you sure he's not 33 or older?
@robydee920Ай бұрын
He's 73, he was born in 1951.
@skullsaintdeadАй бұрын
He photos are modern-day, prob 10-20 years ago, can tell from the kit too.
@poutinedream5066Ай бұрын
I just got to the end He looks better now 🤷🏽♀️. Figure that out.
@loose_phlegm3047Ай бұрын
Bro looks 40
@pattonpending7390Ай бұрын
@user-cn3uz5hp2c : It was all the second hand smoke. Wrecked havoc with skin cells and caused wrinkles. I'm 58 and look at least 10 years younger than my dad was at the same age.
@guachingmanАй бұрын
it s difficult to find any sympathy for such "accidents"
@glennchartrand541117 күн бұрын
It sounds like he got entangled , cut the line and followed the wrong end back into the sump.
@katanaki30592 күн бұрын
It takes a special kind of mad courage to explore unknown caves and a special kind of madness to take it underwater.
@momentomori-rw6jpАй бұрын
Great Content! Leaving a comment for support ❤
@waterlinestoriesАй бұрын
Thanks. Much appreciated
@joemars41Ай бұрын
So dangerous, even with experience RIP
@Strype13Ай бұрын
So there hasn't been any further advancement in the cave since 1986? That's strange. This seems like a top-tier cave explorer's wet dream (pun obviously intended) and with the vast improvements in modern diving equipment, you'd think some of these legendary explorers would be all over this place, trying to figure out just how far it goes.
@3zzzTyleАй бұрын
The outcome was kinda obvious when one guy had photos from old age and the other only from young
@zlm001Ай бұрын
Thanks
@MorangRus11 күн бұрын
Regulator on each tank is expensive but having just two allows the diver to "walk" his regulators from spent tanks to the new ones I guess? Regulator 1 is in use, regulator 2 is ready to be used on the next tank, and as soon as the switch occurs, regulator 1 can be replaced on yet another tank with regulator 2 being now in use etc.
@TheWirksworthGunroomАй бұрын
"Terminal downstream sump" Yes. The clue is in the name.....
@Ob1sdarksideАй бұрын
Cave diving,rewarding when it works out. Lethal when it doesn't
@michael-lynn26 күн бұрын
Maybe it's a stupid question, but perhaps he was never entangled in the line, and only cut the line when he knew he would die down there, so as to inform others not to look for him?
@delilahboaАй бұрын
It’s times like this I find myself happy to be a scaredy cat 🙀…. I couldn’t, I wouldn’t and I definitely shouldn’t because panic would be an understatement for my reaction in that situation…..great storytelling Waterline Stories xx❤xx
@treyquattroАй бұрын
cave diving and caving generally is a pursuit better done by Boston Dynamic robots I think.
@visnichbaАй бұрын
You're underwater, low on air, then the last thing you see is one of those 'headless dog' Boston Dynamics robots 'running' towards you on the bottom of the cave. Creepy.
@tzwalterАй бұрын
Wow, great video
@bluebelle8823Ай бұрын
Very few of these make me feel ill. This one did. I think it could be because of the whole first ones in the space bit. This was an experienced man who just lost track of self preservation for two minutes, deadly in that situation. But I am glad of one thing, that it didn't prevent Martyn Farr from persuing something he clearly loves.
@andybrooks17872 күн бұрын
I appreciate that you presented this sad tale in a respectful manner without sensationalizing it. Unfortunately the discussion of buoyancy has some inaccuracies. Both divers were using steel tanks, although Martyn's high pressure tanks would have been heavier than Roger's low pressure tanks. Each diver achieved his preferred buoyancy by adding lead; buoyancy compensators were not being used in UK caves in 1974. It was not unusual to enter the water slightly underweighted in order to become neutral at depth as the wetsuit compressed. Unless you can cite an authoritative source, I do not believe that the divers entered Sump 4 with more tanks than regulators. They certainly owned or had access to additional regulators. The dual sidemount configuration, with one tank and one regulator on each hip, was standard practice for longer sumps.
@2esquaredАй бұрын
With the greatest respect..... seems to me their egos killed Solari. And youthful exuberance. And just plain recklessness- going into a sump of unknown depth and length and duration with just one tank! They were only 23 and 24 years old, young & strong for goodness sake- they could have spent another week or two carting extra equipment underground before they tried the uncharted sump 4.
@mlm328092 сағат бұрын
Not having a separate regulator on the spare should warn you to not do it. The more burdened you are the quicker your air is going to run out.
@vickyvix5324Ай бұрын
I can’t imagine the best of the best divers dying doing what they love to do, how much more the amateurs and beginners?
@sforza209Ай бұрын
The best thing I love about cave diving is not going cave diving!
@huntersrc9865Ай бұрын
Panic attack setting in, chest getting tight hard to breathe. Why do I watch these. These people are crazy
@trj1442Ай бұрын
Gawd, cave diving would be my worst nightmare. Certainly a bizarre occupation for most people. Keep going with your awesome content bud. I'm sure your subs will grow exponentially soon.
@workablobАй бұрын
I subscribed and this is great content. I must be a bit pedantic and note that there is a distinct difference between 'Further' and 'Farther'.
@kevinmarshall3198Ай бұрын
Subscribed
@sammylacks4937Ай бұрын
I believe if I were to go on an extended cave dive, that would take all day or longer, I'd rather carry a couple extra tanks of air than food. I'm sure I'd get a little hungry but I'd rather breath.
@danielkarlsson9326Ай бұрын
Everytime i hear low on Air supply my mind starts the tunes of Sonic The hedgehog 3's underwater levels music. It still raises my pulse and bloodpreassure to fear of death levels. Also i always find it mindboggling howm easy it is for some people to risk their level of air supply for a few meters of extra exploring, I understand you want to explore more and that you might not get another chance for a long time but still if you run out of air there will be no more exploring period. but at the same time i do find the risk of putting myself on another planet which is much more dangerous than cave diving to be a risk well worth taking. Or sailing the seven seas. So all in all im no better than anyone else is the motto you shall always use when putting yourself at high risk. i know i do atleast, Or as i usually say to myself "your smart enough to understand your most likely the lest educated and experienced person in this group so you should watch and learn and always quit before the rest". Best regards.
@lorrainelowes2070Ай бұрын
Can divers not carry or pull extra air cylinders to help them dive further?
@MorangRus11 күн бұрын
I looked up the map of Agen Allwedd. There is a dry (?) dead-end chamber shown at the end of Sump 4, "Against All Odds Chamber". When was it discovered and by whom? Also it looks like Sumps 1-3 can be bypassed on the way to Sump 4 by the way of so called "Resurrection Passage". Was it known when the dive took place (I guess not because it connects with the system after the freshly discovered Sump 3)? When was it discovered?
@andybrooks17873 күн бұрын
Against All Odds was found by Ian Rolland in 1987. It lies very close to another very large cave system, but the connection has still not been made. I'm not sure when Resurrection Passage was found, but it was not known at the time of the dive.
@provideleverageАй бұрын
i used to be an avid caver. nss (national speleological society) put out regular summaries of caving accidents. regular cavers have around a hundred accidents per year fatalities are rare, cave divers had around 5 accidents per year...80% fatal. i ve met and caved with a few cave divers in dry caves. all but one died in cave diving accidents. i love caving but you ll never get me to dive in one.
@Melanie16040Ай бұрын
Interesting. I think you guys are nuts in the dry ones. As for a cave I can swim through? It is so peaceful down there. Few understand how beautiful wet rocks can be. I find it interesting that all but one of the cave divers you met have died in diving cave diving accidents. I am only aware of a single fatality of someone who followed the rules while cave diving. Every other death I am aware of can be attributed to breaking the rules.
@provideleverageАй бұрын
@@Melanie16040 that s pretty much the same opinion every cave diver i ve met stated. cave diving is just less forgiving of errors
@Melanie16040Ай бұрын
@@provideleverage I 2 people I have dove with have perished. One was due to an undeserved DCS hit coming out of Eagles Nest. The ambulance, instead of taking him to the hospital he requested due to it having a chamber, took him "somewhere closer." He was there a couple hours before dying from complications. The other one, she was an intro to cave diver(and the other two she normally dove with), they are not trained or allowed to make jumps with that certification. Her and 2 friends had been diving every week at a particular site and would always do the same dive. I joined them a number of times as it was a nice place to dive. One time, while we were exiting, they all of a sudden started kicking for all they were worth and shot off into the distance. No communication, nothing. She just headed in the direction of the exit and I was with 2 other intro divers, so we just continued exiting at our pace. When we found her, she said she thought one of the other divers was missing and she was trying to swim faster to catch up to them... Fast forward to a week I did not go along. They went diving with someone else at the cave. The cave had 2 tunnels going off the entrance and they would always dive down one, come back, then down the other and back. There was a tunnel that connected the two about 1000 feet in and it was a nice dive. They decided to do the circuit with this new fellow they went diving with since he had done it before. After making the jump and crossing over to the other tunnel they were exiting. Well, she panicked, turned around and did the same thing she did in the previous dive I was along for. Except for 2 things... She was swimming back into the cave, and she was kicked up so much silt she blew out the visibility and could not be followed. Her body was found by the jump over to the other tunnel. The conclusion being she had gone much deeper into the cave until realizing it was the wrong way before turning around to try and exit again. Thing is, if she had known the cave instead of just trusting someone else to show her the way or whatever... She was not even 100 feet from another exit to the cave. Across the jump and another 25 or 50 feet is a sink hole you can surface at. But they had spent years just doing the same dive. She violated the limits of her certification and paid the price. If she had communicated with the people she was diving with. Hell, if she had just looked at the main line! There are arrows at regular intervals pointing the way to the nearest exit. All the arrows she passed would have told her she was swimming deeper into the cave... I do not understand it. You can make errors in cave diving. I have made errors. I have had my light die because I forgot to charge the battery. Not a problem, that is what multiple backups are for. I remember one time I was standing at the landing of some steps in the water kitting up. Didn't have my mask on. Went to try to put a fin on and lost my balance. I went over backwards and sunk like a rock. I was maybe 30 or 35lbs negative. Something as simple as that could kill a person if they panic. I just found a regulator and proceeded from there. Another time, I do not know how it happened. Valve on my primary reg was 1/2 turn from full closed. I only fully open or close my valves for exactly this reason. Always have. I do not know how, but I can only assume someone decided to "help" with my valves while I was not looking. It was fine on the surface... When I dumped the air out of my wing and went to inhale at 20 feet... It was like breathing through a straw. Reached back and fixed my valves. I guess it depends on the mistakes you make. Diving past 1/3rds is dangerous. Diving past 1/2 and continuing to swim further in... That is a death wish.
@UpShot_KnotHoleАй бұрын
Video out 4mins ago 😊 Always look forward to new Water Line Stories
@waterlinestoriesАй бұрын
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@fosterparent7477Ай бұрын
Could we use a tethered drone?
@keithgoh123Ай бұрын
23 looking like he's hitting his middle age phase. Been caving since 10, it really shows on his face lmao
@asya94935 күн бұрын
This video needs to be shown on all cave diving or confined space courses.
@waterlinestories5 күн бұрын
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@asya94935 күн бұрын
@@waterlinestories The thing about the step by step process in your videos is it becomes a lesson, and you've probably saved a few asses already.
@SMX815Ай бұрын
They pushed the limits & this comes with a great risk. I would have been scared beyond any words i can find!
@DGriff-ix5el9 күн бұрын
Diver master for 27 years. Cave Cavern certified. But, there’s nothing down there but dead souls. One can admire stalactites from a dry well lit cave.
@williamsullivan3967Ай бұрын
The thought of drowning alone is why I’ll probably never enjoy diving. I have a reef tank instead. God bless the adventurers and explorers.
@IHWKRАй бұрын
I hope you can cover some more diving videos. Its sad to hear how many accidents are due to human error though. I suppose its the #1 cause for a reason though.
@Anglomachian13 күн бұрын
Dude, I don’t begrudge you making money off your channel, but I got 6 separate ad breaks in this video alone. Broke the immersion something fierce.
@johnnunn8688Ай бұрын
They lay a line as they go, so they can find their way back. I assume they leave the line there, for the next attempt or for other divers? If so, I assume there’s some coding (colour?) system?
@Jenna_MilesАй бұрын
Generally yes, the main line will be left in the cave although some types of lines used for moving into passages and areas off the main line (jump lines) will be removed by the individual diver as they leave that portion of the cave and return to the main line. As for colour coding- I think it depends. For the most part- no, instead arrows will be placed on the line marking which direction to the exit as well as personal cookies denoting the divers in the cave. Often the main line will be coloured gold but it isn’t a sure thing as each country/area has different rules or expectations about many aspects cave diving there. Given it is sometimes difficult to see in caves due to silt (especially in very stagnant caves), fading and general lighting, it can’t always been relied on that the colour of the line will be visible. But this is just what I’ve gathered from my research, I’m not a cave diver myself because my health isn’t great Maybe one day 🤞 It’s a fascinating world, even from the shores 😉
@starrgazer100021 күн бұрын
What another excellent video on caving and the dangers thereof. Are you familiar with the caving disaster in the US. Caver Trapped Beyond Rescue | The Horror Story of Neil Moss. The poor guy is entomed forever as he could not be rescued, trapped upside down. I will not spoil it for you but it is worth viewing and learning from. You may have already seen it. All of your videos are first rate and are highly superior to other videos on KZbin. In a recent video refered to a scrubber but in English vernacular it means something quite different and was in popular usage in the 1970's. It refers to a hooker. Useless information but worth knowing for future reference. Your videos often keep me up until the early hours but being retired then it is my prerogative. Your videos give us all tremendous pleasure and educate us to a higher level than most of the junk that people post nowadays. I despair and guess you may as well at the crass comments by some of these people who pretend to know so much yet in fact very little. Still, do not take them too seriously dear boy. I have always found that people hate what they don't understand. Sincere regards Peter Starr London UK
@waterlinestories21 күн бұрын
Thanks Peter. I am familiar with the the story of Neil Moss. Incredible to try and think of yourself in that situation. Thanks for your kind words. I lived in London for 15 years. Now I'm in the countryside in Germany. But visiting next month. I'll think of hookers every time scrubbers come up in future. 🤣
@briantremblay9157Ай бұрын
Ground News Rocks!!!!!!
@denisiwaszczuk1176Ай бұрын
Im thinking he knew and cut the line so he. Saved his mate from coming back .
@visnichbaАй бұрын
Yes, I thought that too.
@WineScroungerАй бұрын
Holy shit this is really close to me. Never heard of it until now.
@Velereonics11 күн бұрын
Re: not having too much to think about, this is very real and is a factor in everything humans do. Thinking about anything has a neurobiological cost, and if a thought is more complex, it requires more resources. If you need to be thinking about lots of things, this also uses more resources. This is most likely what causes a flow state when you are concentrating on something you know and understand very well. Essentially there isn't any more bandwidth in your mind to have any awareness about anything other than what you are focused on. You simply are too familiar with it, can consider too many aspects of it at once. Using too many resources can also cause cognitive dissonance. If you are thinking about too many things, you might not have the bandwidth to realize that your thoughts are not internally consistent, with some glaring contradiction going unnoticed simply because your brain is too busy with other things.
@josephp5058Ай бұрын
I know money isn’t the goal but what do these people expect to discover? Except more rocks, water and earth, underground - maybe some interesting rock formations - no gold bars down there or interesting new species to be discovered, so why the risk?
@bbbildhuu11 күн бұрын
Pride and ego i think
@crazypete3759Ай бұрын
this is one of those activities that is not for me! NOPE, just NO!
@swfswf5017 күн бұрын
Why would you use Aluminium tanks? Steel tanks hold more air.