Titan: From Inception to Implosion

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[@PatientZERO100]

"Needlessly prioritizes passenger safety over commercial innovation". Yeah, that's a sentence I never EVER want someone conducting a high-risk operation I'm a part of to say.

[@Blarnix]

That sentence feels like something out of a dystopian video game. We live in the worst timeline.

[@yusokrazee]

You have to wonder if people actually hear themselves when they say things like that. If everyone was sane, every quote like that would end with some version of "Wait, that came out wrong"

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

I hope Rush had enough time to remember his words before the end came. My favorite is, "At some point, safety is just pure waste."

[@cjcoleman3893]

​@@yusokrazeeThe fired engineer said the dude was a member of Bohemian Grove. He was a death cult member and so of course he thought in such a way.

[@hhjj621]

= 19:50-19:57

[@mawnkey]

Rush died because he forgot the golden rule of diving: the ocean wants you dead, and the deeper you go the _more_ it wants you dead.

[@trustworthydan]

That's an unsettling realization.

[@Iambatman_27]

As does space. Life is truly a miracle. Keeping hard ground under my feet

[@dbapto6994]

@@Iambatman_27 I couldn't agree with you more. I'm a land lover.

[@dbapto6994]

@@Iambatman_27 if I ever want to go to space, I'll just watch star wars.

[@Iambatman_27]

@@dbapto6994 i won't lie, I've actually been watching videos on YT lately. Fudge that. Pretty awesome to watch. Terrifying tho. Dumb things like black holes. 😂

[@JacobC479]

The fact he took warnings from professionals as personal insults is insane.

[@MrPiccolop]

Yup. Sensitive ego misconstruing reality.

[@RW4X4X3006]

Welcome to corporate world.

[@nomercyinc6783]

just because people think, doesnt mean they are intelligent.

[@johnmellor932]

Narcissism kills. In a way I wish he hadn't boarded so he could face justice for killing 4 people. Knowing Rush he'd have fought the charges.

[@robinantonio8870]

Classic narcissist

[@boondockingamerica]

When I was a kid a friend and I drew up a set of plans to turn a old propane tank into a submersible, and we were going to charge other kids to ride to the bottom of a old strip mine water pit. We lost the plans and never built it. Now I know who stole the plans.

[@chorizoramen93]

🤣🤣🤣

[@dbapto6994]

You got THAT right.....!!!

[@nancyjones6780]

Good one! At first I thought you meant mom and dad but then it clicked! Rush was always a sneaky guy!😂

[@AF-vm6xx]

😅

[@debjoy12]

honestly this sounds like the plot of a simpsons episode 😆

[@michaelhill6451]

Stockton Rush didn't have some "disruptive" new technology, like he pretended. He was just willing to use a suboptimal hull shape, eat into safety margins with standard parts, use inexperienced designers (e.g. College students), and gamble his life/the lives of his passengers on using carbon fiber as the hull material, all in order to save on costs/maximize profits. If anything, this incident just shows why properly designed, tested, and certified deep sea submersibles are so expensive.

[@DxAxMxD]

Additionally, it shows why capitalism has ultimately failed the human race. The reason for all of Rushs mind bogglingly stupid and evil choices were driven /solely/ by capital motives.

[@lasskinn474]

well, it's not really that the idea couldn't be of use. it's just that it might end up being really expensive to use properly(rebuild amounts) and nobodys properly tested the idea really (beyond that it does work a couple of times, which actually could be enough for some use cases, but now we wont know for a long while). you need to test everything else regardless of what you're building it out of anyway and if you'd use it for commercial you would need to devise a way to test(xray etc) or have a replacement program for the parts based on the testing same as for airplanes - and you'd need the money to do the destructive testing to be able to record the signs what the checking program would look for. doing it out of steel gets really expensive as well and would need the same program (it can also be inaccessible due to that sourcing the right alloys can end up way more complicated than one would think at fist.. politics getting involved kind of complicated).

[@cjcoleman3893]

I heard he was a member of bohemian grove

[@cjcoleman3893]

The fired engineer said he was a member of bohemian Grove. Being a money hungry death cult member I'm not at all surprised he had a death wish for himself and any high paying passengers.

[@loganrhodes8912]

Expensive and absolutely necessary

[@scifisyko]

As long as Rush was only endangering himself, power to him, he can do whatever he wants. But the fact that he was allowed to kill four other people through his willful negligence is an absolute crime.

[@Rob-157]

He even tried to talk a younger woman working for him to take over as pilot of the thing.

[@nathansmith1085]

I agree 100%. It's disgusting the danger he put these otherwise people in. Yeah they have some accountability in it also, but they trusted someone that was considered a professional in his field. He totally manipulated them.

[@cholamais-cj1wh]

@@nathansmith1085 If they did the level of research that you needed to even think to go that deep into the ocean they would know 100% that Rush was delusional. Hell, they signed a waver that mentioned dying 3 times and that the vessel was experimental.

[@Morbing_Time]

The people that got on that sub knew what they were getting into

[@aegrisomnia]

"Those safty rules are dumb!" *dies*

[@randyhavard6084]

One thing about Stockton Rush is he honestly believed that those safety protocols were just BS, even though most all of those procedures are written in blood and are lessons learned from other accidents. He put his life on the line along with others and paid the ultimate price.

[@RamblingOmarr]

You just described a Jackass

[@mikehunt3420]

Dude basically tried to fight the ocean with predictable results

[@SkodaZek]

I am surprised at how many content creators continue to praise Rush and refer to the outcome as some unfortunate event as if there was no negligence. This was entirely foreseeable, let's not forget that Ocean Gate knew the vessel would not pass regulation and testing, therefore they chose not to get the Titan certified for this very reason. Furthermore, the most egregious act being the termination of engineer for trying to alert Rush and Ocean Gate that the vessel was not safe. Rather than addressing these concerns he fires him for speaking up. This is no accident, this is the result of a truly negligent CEO who ignored and silenced sound engineering advice, deliberately avoided certification and 4 innocent people lost their lives.

[@highjinx6519]

Not to mention he was too cheap to get a ship that could actually transport it on board instead of dragging it through the ocean on a raft behind it. That’s a huge red flag to me in itself.

[@Irobert1115HD]

FOUR innocent peoples. rush was one of the men on board of the can.

[@SkodaZek]

@@Irobert1115HD You are right, I misremembered it as 5 + Rush

[@jackiepowell7513]

Egregis

[@topbanana4013]

There prasing him because its wrong = clicks forbthere crap liars channel

[@subduedreader5627]

I just want to correct you on a relatively minor point. The controller used for the submersible, while Playstation patterned, is actually from Logitech.

[@Stroopwaffe1]

£29.99 he even bought one of the lowest price model/make

[@subduedreader5627]

@@Stroopwaffe1 Though the bigger issue is the fact that it is wireless, which seems like a terrible idea to me for controlling anything of importance.

[@pogonator1]

@@subduedreader5627 It's not only wireless, it is also connected to a PC with a Windows OS instead of a Realtime-Computer with a Realtime OS or an SPS.

[@vtubersubs3803]

@@Blakbox92Game controllers are actually pretty standard for this kind of thing, which makes sense, they're designed to be intuitive and efficient. The military uses them for all kinds of stuff. Pretty sure they don't go wireless third party though. I wouldn't even rely on that for gaming, much less my life.

[@dunxy]

The controller choice while frugal, was unlikely to ever cause anyone to die! The poorly designed and insufficiently tested hull is (was!) the problem, forget the stupid controller as it really was not that big of a deal, it didnt cause the hull to implode and that's what killed the people.

[@beepboop9848]

LMAO "their carbon fiber playstation submarine" bro roasted the sub already in the first 16 seconds 😭

[@porpus99]

Josh Gates, from the television show Expedition Unknown, was actually supposed to be on the Titan. For safety his teams dive specialist tested it first. Went down about a hundred feet, before he declared it not safe and returned to the surface.

[@trustworthydan]

Josh Gates annoys me.

[@user-bd3zy6wo7l]

Lies . Bill Gates never went down pure fiction

[@mikehunt3420]

@@trustworthydanthank you for your valued contribution

[@alexmartin3143]

@@trustworthydanGuess you wish he was on the sub, huh?

[@EsotericCelt]

I'm starting a company, PlaneGate and going to design a Plane out of light concrete and make the wings on the inside but the passengers (Pilots) have to sit on the wings to save costs. Then I would like an investigation into why it failed. Thank you. Tickets on sale now.

[@mattgosling2657]

Lol, put me and my son down for a couple of tickets please.

[@BigChapDidNothingWrong]

​@@mattgosling2657😂

[@ianmangham4570]

How much 😅

[@wedrivebynight]

I’d like to purchase every seat please. Tell everyone else to fuck off you’re sold out. Thaaaaaaanks. I can’t wait and it’ll be just me !!!wheeeeeew!

[@ReiAnikaAyanami]

i think skygate would be more consistent with the name lol

[@steviejayarr]

Major error: the hull was not made of carbon fiber wrapped around titanium cylinder. It was carbon fiber hull capped on both ends by titanium domes

[@cremebrulee4759]

I wondered about that. You are right. I don't know how he made this mistake.

[@devilsadvocate1380]

​​@@cremebrulee4759He probably gave them too much credit, it hard to believe that people are that stupid even with the evidence so his brain was probably shorting out whenever he read that particular piece of "genius".

[@pyropulseIXXI]

@@devilsadvocate1380 He just made an error, dude. Gave them too much credit? This is just a fact; you can't look up their terrible design and then lie about. You are calling him a liar now, instead of him just making an honest mistake

[@andresmullerbeck2427]

In the construction videos it looks like they are wrapping the cf around a titanium tube, but that is just a mandrill for shaping the final product and is removed once finished.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

@@andresmullerbeck2427 Yes, an that should be blindingly obvious. You need something to fcking wrap the FIBER around

[@IamN0V0]

Kudos to that engineer who had the integrity to lose his job instead of signing off on a design so clearly flawed from the get-go.

[@johnj.baranski6553]

How did he prevent this?

[@IamN0V0]

​@@johnj.baranski6553 What do you mean. You can't prevent people from killing themselves... but you can call them out on their BS instead of collecting the check in silence.

[@MamaBanana]

I find it hard to say that the completed missions were a success. It’s like saying that crossing the road without looking & not getting hit was a success. No body expects to be hit by a car every time they cross the road without looking side to side, you just don’t expect to last very long on this earth if you keep it up.

[@superbwater78]

Exactly. Rush should never be praised for ANYTHING.

[@kpal2946]

Truly unbelievable the level of ignorance Rush had. He was given so many warnings ,even fires his engineer for pointing out major issues, yet he knew better. This man was an idiot who got 4 people killed because of ego. What a legacy.

[@SMGJohn]

The rich are not people

[@DemoCatMan]

YEP.

[@goofusmaximus1482]

Actually, 5 people. Rush himself died in his own undersea coffin.

[@royalaxe]

he fits perfectly into the 2023 tiktok level of competency...

[@InTheNameOfGodIHaveCome]

Ya’ll think anyone is aware enough to notice if I start a water treatment company and call it… watergate?

[@lu4414]

One important thing to note, some experts agree that the sensors were a gimmick. There was no testing confirming that they would work or even provide enough time to do anything.

[@Asylar343]

That sounds very on brand for Rush.

[@MechMK1]

I explained it in more detail in my comment, but essentially the time between "sensors warning you" and "catastrophic failure" is in the seconds to milliseconds range. Enough to inform you of your imminent death, not enough for you to do anything about it.

[@Ember2168]

Basically it's not sensors for a warning it's sensors that tell you "You're fucked" 💀

[@Ember2168]

Basically it's not sensors for a warning it's sensors that tell you "You're fucked" 💀

[@robinantonio8870]

​@@Ember2168which would be better not to know

[@TraTranc]

About the US Navy not disclosing that they had recorded the sound of an implosion: they didn't because they recorded it through the SOSUS system, and everything that is recorded through SOSUS is classified, because it could reveal how the system works and thus jeopardize its effectiveness in monitoring submarine activity off the coasts of the United States at SLBM range.

[@FreshMelonWater]

"The law needlessly prioritizes passenger safety over commercial innovation" - the inventor killed by his own invention (who took out several other people with him)

[@shaunmcclory8117]

Just a 'minor' point i think it is worth mentioning the wreck of the Titanic is NOT in the Pacific ocean it is in the Atlantic!!

[@markzed66]

Yeah, was just about to comment on the "South-South East from Newfoundland into the Pacific".

[@brovid-19]

"gah, shit, we're not even in the right ocean?! Well, this trip couldn't get any worse." - Moments before the implosion

[@mrkipling2201]

I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that!!

[@mst3kharris]

If it were in the Pacific, I’d be wondering how hard they hit that iceberg.

[@mikehunt3420]

This is the third minor thing that has been pointed out. The fuck kind of research is this dude doing. A technical or engineering mistake i can understand but how do you get which ocean the most famous shipwreck in history wrong? Smh

[@playmaka2007]

The problem with carbon fiber lies with the fact that it's main strength lies in tension, not compression.

[@nikoscosmos]

However it's used extensively in racing car crash structures.

[@harryshuman9637]

@@nikoscosmos I think it's used in cars for weight loss, not to provide survival-ability when the car hits a brick wall. You can have carbon fiber spoiler and car body, but the cage that protects the driver is still made of alloy of sorts.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

@@nikoscosmos the pressure there is a sharp tension pressure, that is, longitudinal to the fibers... cars or airplanes rarely require withstanding pressure vectors perpendicular to the fiber structure (where your only carrying strength is the binding epoxy), the exception is carbon fiber wings, but even there, they can use elasticity transferring the fiber strength that way to compensate for it (why you get so much movement in a 787 wing)... you cannot do it with pressure.

[@kekistanimememan170]

@@nikoscosmos nope the race course provides that.

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

@@nikoscosmosThe carbon fiber in cars isn't to prevent the cars from crumpling. Besides, crumpling is what you want in a crash. Crumpling, rolling, and shedding displaces the energy away from the driver (and passenger, where applicable). That's why NASCAR wrecks are so fantastical most of the time, and drivers still walk away with little to no injuries. When NASCAR drivers DO get hurt, it's in wrecks that usually don't look flashy. The wreck that killed Dale Earnhardt was super simple. No rolling, no major crumpling, little if any shedding... Just a smack into the wall, and he was finished. If carbon fiber prevented crumpling, race cars wouldn't use it because it would make the cars more dangerous.

[@DawnUnderHeavenA37]

One quibble I have is that the US Navy's SOSUS network is actually **extremely** good at localizing the origin points of sufficiently loud sounds such as implosions. This was ably demonstrated with a number of lost submarines during the Cold War.

[@oriontaylor]

Indeed. It was and is highly useful at not just detecting the sounds but finding where they came from. Without SOSUS, it would have taken far longer than a couple of months to find where Thresher and Scorpion went, as well as other incidents.

[@underpaidoverworked4250]

I came here to say the same thing. They knew within minutes of the implosion. I do believe the navys explanation of why they waited is just a cover to hide the full capabilities of the system.

[@thor3279]

In regards to "running before you can walk," it's one thing when your problems result in crashed servers, data breaches, etc, it's entirely another if your problems are catastrophic hull failure at depth. Wow.

[@michaelhill6451]

32:17 See, I don't agree with that. If you look at the stress-strain curve for carbon fiber, there's no warning whatsoever before failure. The yield point is the failure point. I know they heard noises when the hull was new but that is probably just weaker fibers breaking. Even the Engineer who was allegedly fired for refusing to rubber stamp the design said the same thing about the amount of warning you'd get.

[@mtmadigan82]

I think of the simplest examples is putting that limiting factor, deep sea challenger, and titan next to each other. You can see what serious professionals do, and what an amateur out of his depth has done. It's a stark difference. I wouldn't be so upset of this guy trying something new and innovative. But doing it at the cost of others lives is just beyond reckless.

[@NyanyiC]

It help to have endless charisma

[@bbarott]

There is nothing 'innovative' about recklessness. Sidestepping accepted protocols to get to the cookie jar first isn't new, and it always ends badly. It's what jackasses do, and jackasses will always be with us. The trick is to recognize them for what they are before they can cause irreparable damage. And 'innovation', whatever that golden calf is, is not a substitute for sound engineering analysis regardless of what nontechnical folks would prefer to believe. In a different age Stockton Rush would be selling patent medicines off the back of a horse drawn cart.

[@SjohnX]

This is what happens when you avoid hiring "50 yr old white guys", as Stockton Rush so proudly announced.

[@fromaggiovagiola9128]

When I meditate to clear my mind I think of Stockton's toupee wafting along the seafloor with the current.

[@TheJayLordx]

Hahahaha brilliant 😂 What a way to find your zen

[@alexmartin3143]

They disintegrated homie

[@johnj.baranski6553]

Do you envision the 4 passengers imploding?

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

I hate that I'm laughing too hard at this.

[@fatovamingus]

My science teacher said the day would come when I would regret skipping class for 2 years to do bong hits in the parking lot. And here we are...

[@waterlinestories]

🤣I was told the same

[@fatovamingus]

@@waterlinestories well one of us proved them right

[@OutsideGalaxy]

Honestly, I know there's been a ton of coverage on this but I've really been waiting for you to do it! You always have such an interesting and educated take on things

[@f3eral]

Agree. Well done! Thank you for the quality content!

[@ironiczombie2530]

Same, been thinking the same thing since it happened

[@this_steve]

I came here to say the exact same thing. This channel is pure gold.

[@SubvertTheState]

Exactly, most others focus on a "gist" or "feeling" about events. This is not that. That acrylic window was tested to 1,300 meters. And then Rush just took it to 4,000 meters over and over crossing his fingers. Same with non destructive testing of the pressure vessel, it's expensive but subjecting a carbon-fiber pressure vessel to repeated cycles of compression and decompression before analyzing the microscopic changes...Simply has to be done before sinking it to the bottom of the sea many times, with many lives on board. Excellent video.

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks I appreciate that

[@punchtalestudio]

Rush could not have had a better name

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

I have done some seriously dangerous jobs in my time, all with their unique ways of ending up as a thin veneer across the work area... But man, just the thought of working as a saturation diver is enough to give me nightmares.

[@superbwater78]

Absolutely horrifying.

[@mikehunt3420]

My dad has friends that have hit 1000 feet. At least they get down quickly with those massive balls of steel

[@zukazealanee]

It's so tragic that one man's need to cut corners wherever possible to save money ended up costing not only him, but four others everything.

[@fffffffflei6589]

I honestly only feel sorry for the young guy. He didnt want to go. His father pushed him. His mother was supposed to go with the dad but they convinced the son to go as a fathers day present. He was terrified. The fathers stupidity killed the son

[@lucasglowacki4683]

In theory Rush could have had a groundbreaking business and concept…if he did proper testing and development. He could have perfected the disposable submersible. If he could have proved and tested the unit to, let’s say 20-25 dives, reused the hemispheres and I’m sure he could have made money. If they got better then the process would become cheaper and the dives would have become more frequent. Too bad he did the cost cutting on the safety and testing part😑

[@joefish6091]

Its the design of the Titan too, it was flimsy and shoddy.

[@JasonTan-9757]

You are talking about a man who consider safety to be pure waste. It would not been possible in practice for Rush to have perfected his submersible because it would never have been safe enough for multiple usage. Moreover, he insisted on using carbon fibre, and chose not to do proper testing even when his own safety officer warn him about it. His safety officer was fired by the way for asking him to do proper testing.

[@fix0the0spade]

If the submersible has a lifespan of 25 dives then needs replacing it probably wouldn't be viable commercially. Actual DSVs have a service life that's usually measured in decades and thousands of dives. Yes that includes rebuilds but rebuilds cost a fraction of a complete new hull. For anyone who needs one for a few dives, hiring one and it's crew would make more sense than buying a 'disposable' model.

[@DemoCatMan]

Ha ha ha ha ha, well this one was definitely disposable. Lets face it...at these depths and pressures, it is far easier to go above the atmosphere "Outer space", then it is to go in the opposite direction. Going towards the center of anything that is going to crush you, makes little sense when our Sun gives us Nuclear Fusion that gives us all the energy that we need for our survival. We don't need to go that far beneath the surface for what we need on the surface.

[@ricomock2]

Nah, it was screwed overall when the guy decided to use CF. Based on his statement about its strength, it's clear that the difference in the strength of CF in compression being only a fraction of it's strength in tension, was totally ignored. When in compression CF only has 1/3rd to 1/2 of the strength that it has in tension. Using CF for this application never made sense, the reduced strength and issues with pressure cycling should have stopped the project when it was just a wild idea

[@MrMakeDo]

An excellent and comprehensive account of the disaster. Rush was grotesquely negligent in his “rush to innovate”. People who believed what he was doing was safe lost their lives. They trusted him and gave him their money. That’s disgusting and he should not be praised for his approach, he should be remembered as someone who ended a teenagers life in his hunger to become famous and successful.

[@warmstrong5612]

Carbon fiber works well under tension like an airplane fuselage but under compression it's the resin that takes the bulk of the strain. Solid metal hulls will still be the safest and most sensible choice for a long time to come.

[@sharkman5735]

As a retired Military Diver I would like to say thank you. I think your presentation is right on!! Well done

[@alexmartin3143]

Except when he said Titanic was in the pacific…

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

@@alexmartin3143 yeah that's a rookie mistake

[@sawyerdave1]

Seems to me that Cameron went about his deep dives in a steady, calculated manner and having seen the doco about his dive to the challenger deep I was impressed by his mad piloting skills 😎….and my gosh they didn’t even do the recommended hydrostatic tests 😮

[@andrewcardenas1314]

Of course because Cameron knew the risks and they were high. If anything went catastrophically bad, he would been chummed into a meat cloud in .03 seconds. So he spent years designing looking at every flaw before manufacturing his machine.

[@bundesautobahn7]

@@andrewcardenas1314In a different universe, James Cameron would've been a deep sea diving expert by profession and a movie director by passion, basically the reverse of today. And honestly, I'd trust the expertise of James Cameron much more than that of the late Stockton Rush.

[@shadowldrago]

@@bundesautobahn7 Seeing as James Cameron is still alive, you and me both.

[@christopherstevenrankin]

James Cameron is smarter then they were!

[@shoey7100]

As a commercial diver, I appreciate you prefacing this video with the technicalities and nuance of the dive physics.

[@grimgrahamch.4157]

"I don't want to hire 50 year olds with gray hair"-60 year old with gray hair 🤡

[@patrickvolk7031]

A side note: Stockton Rush's acoustic sensors were based on the idea of the Kaiser effect. The idea of the Kaiser effect is that as you put something under stress, as the struct compresses and pieces may rub together it will create a seismic or acoustic signal. If the load remains constant, the signal remains constant. This seems to have been observed in rock or concrete structures, as microcracks occur. The error in his practical use was, whether carbon fiber follows that, and also he never established what was the failure point. What I have seen for CF is a curve where load is compared to cycles, 20% load may allow a million cycles, while 80% may allow a hundred. This indicates that the failure of carbon fiber is progressive, the failures you're hearing aren't the old ones. He even had the observation that he heard more noise than the Kaiser effect predicted he would. Once the part has enough damaged spots, failure would increase until it got exponential. CF shatters, it absorbs enough force that it can't release it fast enough, like tempered glass. Voids would concentrate stress, and delaminations also would. Carbon fibers are a 1-d material, you can make a 2-d surface separated by epoxy, while metal crystals are 3-dimensional.

[@hennerzz3460]

that was a really interesting read thanks :)

[@Stark21293]

It’s almost as if there’s a reason that professionals don’t build deep sea submersibles out of carbon fiber for a reason? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@KPW2137]

Yeah, I heard that in a nutshell: when the system detects sounds above certain treshold it means the failure is imminent, leaving no time to surface.

[@moshedayan2810]

​@@KPW2137perfect

[@poutinedream5066]

Thank you for sharing that. I've learned so much in the YT comment sections. Im always so impressed by the kind of knowledge and expertise people are walking around with.

[@Green28142814]

If you had told me, 10 years ago, that I would find a channel with fascinating and incredibly well researched stories of maritime disasters, I would have said, "Cool. I'll look forward to it...." And here I am.

[@roadwarrior114]

Check out Maritime Horrors.

[@Green28142814]

@@roadwarrior114 I will! Appreciate the tip, thank you.

[@mikehunt3420]

Brick Immortar is the best in this area. He also doesnt do sponsorships out of respect

[@Slider68]

A simple way to understand why carbon fiber is not a good material for compressive loads is to imagine holding a piece in your hands. When you pull on it, in tension, it is incredibly strong, significantly stronger than steel. When you push on it, in compression, it immediately buckles with almost no resistance. In compression, it is the resin that provides much of the compressive strength. Also, this buckling of fibers results in delamination between the fiber and resin layers, which further weakens the bulk material over future compressive loads.

[@themidnighttavern6784]

Carbon fiber is an excellent material for something like a car, both for high performance light weight exotics, and even things like trucks, as it's apparently holding up quite well in truck beds. But it has no place on other vehicles like a submarine. I'm stunned this proposal made it into the prototyping phase, let alone into active duty carrying passengers.

[@TheSpartan451]

"Doesn't want to hire 50 year olds with gray hair" from a guy in his early 60s is another way of saying "I want people I can violate the worker's rights of without them having the confidence to do anything about it

[@timothyseeger5296]

Imagine the look on Stockton's face in that milliseconds it took to realise that he was wrong all along.

[@Tirani2]

I think it was more than milliseconds. There is evidence that they released their ballast and were trying to surface. There is evidence they knew there was something wrong, and were getting pings on those acoustic sensors he designed. He had time to realize just how wrong he was, and that it was going to kill him.

[@JohnSmith-lz3gk]

😂

[@johnj.baranski6553]

And the 4 passengers?

[@TheMightyZwom]

Really good video on the case. It also nicely shows why no one should trust a company crying about being restricted by safety rules!

[@OpEditorial]

Technically that wasn't a Playstation controller Rush was using, it was a Logitech wireless game pad, the device used to send unsuspecting billionaires to a watery grave can be purchased for around $50. I would absolutely recommend getting one as they're pretty good if you want to play a console optimised game on your PC (they have an identical button layout to the PS4) but as a way to pilot an experimental submersible into the abyss? Definitely not.

[@Magnarmis]

Only 3 minutes in and I can already tell the research is way better than any other video I have seen on the same subject. Thank you.

[@thh4584]

This is just pro rush bullshit.

[@BS-oi7ts]

Besides being an interesting story, this is the best example of integrating a sponsor's product into the story without being obnoxious. Well done. A winning combination for all.

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks. Not all would agree

[@PirateZ1]

I agree but I know the ad integration will be frustrating for others :/ sad because it is a clever and appropriate inclusion of the sponsor.

[@ripwednesdayadams]

lol i hate when creators do that shit. wendover always inserts an ad into random sentences. i don’t expect every ad/sponsorship to go with the topic of the video so i hate when they try to force it like that. 😂

[@GeneralJackRipper]

_"The carbon fiber playstation submarine."_ lol. Imagine thinking any of that was a good idea.

[@hjertrudfiddlecock4394]

hey, it's just casue we aren't engineers. we're too stupid to see the brilliance

[@rikupv]

I know you’re joking, but the controller in no way was a “weak point” if you could call it that. Game controllers are used in several ships and vessels to do the same purpose of that on the titan.

[@BubbleChicken3350]

@@rikupv they’re used for periscopes and small operations not for controlling every system and monitoring.

[@Bob.martens]

Darwin says goodbye, Stockton, and thanks you for participating.

[@johnj.baranski6553]

And the 4 passengers?

[@kateemma22]

Man saw the Deepsea Challenger and went 'I'm going to make the Temu version of that' and then got angry when people told him it's not okay to expose people to the dangers of going underwater in a Temu Challenger. This will never not the funniest thing ever.

[@horsetowater]

Rush sadly lived up to his namesake.

[@Cammmmeron]

I did not know that rush fired the engineer after the engineer wouldnt clear the submersible to be safe for what the intended use was. Thats insane and then sued him. I bet that engineer is glad that he was not the one that signed off on this.

[@frankiegreer6258]

When I was a kid my cousin and me took some big empty cardboard boxes and duck tape and made a submarine. We took it to his big swimming pool then climbed inside to explore the oceans depth but the cardboard and duck tape submarine fell apart and we had to abandon ship and my cousin's mom got mad because we made a big cardboard mess in the swimming pool 😢. This video reminded me of that time something I had long forgotten. Its sad so many people lost their life in The Titan and I hope the families find peace.

[@Silenced23]

Before the implosion, the Titan shot down like an arrow into the dark abyss for a little over a minute. Shooting all on board to the front of the Titan squeezing everyone together in darkness. I can't imagine the horror they felt before the big pop.

[@LarryPigeon1]

True the only good thing i found bout kt is prob stocktons face and realization he got when he knew he is fked

[@SMGJohn]

Thats good though, no mercy for the rich

[@zantegeezer]

No it didn’t

[@ghanaboyz]

@silenced23 how could you possibly know this? What does not make you just another random dude making a wild guess sound like facts? Shame it is not criminal and a penalty for all creators of misinformation and desinformation.

[@hgbugalou]

I'm not into diving or sailing but you story telling has made me binge your channel. Great content.

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks, I really appreciate that

[@ratatouille2129]

19:50 "needlessly prioritizes passenger safety over commercial innovation" NEEDLESSLY HOW

[@wickets]

Sir, this is one of your finest, together with the Kursk and Thresher stories. I love it

[@waterlinestories]

Awesome. Thanks for watching👌🏻

[@jirom71]

Elon Musk won’t make it to Mars either so Rush had that in common.

[@tinetannies4637]

One of the best videos on the Titan I've seen. Great background and clinical analysis, and zero sensationalism. Well done.

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks, I really appreciate that

[@tinetannies4637]

@@waterlinestories You're most welcome. Thank YOU for putting out this excellent content.

[@MGJDMNJ]

Amazing breakdown and explanation.. Stockton is a murder. His intentional misinformation was used to get them to go when he knew all the issues. Him dying means nothing. The only sympathy goes to the other

[@thetruthisthelight0910]

He was still a human being. He deserves some sympathy, although he was a bit of a charlatan, quite greedy, and very reckless. He obviously really did believe in his contraption. He did have some success with it, which made him arrogant, but the vessel could only take but so much repeated use. I guess it cracked after a while. Ultimately imploded.

[@MGJDMNJ]

@@thetruthisthelight0910 I can’t agree with that I’m afraid. He used the very statistics which he said didn’t matter to “sell” the trip to unknowing customers. Those amazing safety statistics which he refused to follow are that good because of best practice and years of testing and research. He set his company up in a way that if any passengers died, it would keep his family from being sued as they were “specialists”. There is a major difference between passion and willful negligence. At every single turn he knowingly deceived everyone about almost every single aspect of his business.

[@thetruthisthelight0910]

@@MGJDMNJ Definition of slick and charlatan and reckless. He wasn't evil, he died as well. He was just stubborn and incredibly arrogant and grandiose. THAT'S sad.

[@MGJDMNJ]

@@thetruthisthelight0910 fair point. I guess it depends on what actions you view as evil. If just he and he alone died, it would be just another inventor who’s invention killed him. The evil part is having a willful disregard for anyone else’s life. Okay fast and loose with your own life if that’s what you want. I don’t care if believed he was right, that argument has been used through history to justify bad actions. Hitler believed his racial ideology fully and completely. It doesn’t excuse his actions. Btw I am not using this example as a reference to you and don’t want you to think so. I’m just using that example because it’s clear. Roughly 100 years ago, There was an inventory who was trying to to create a parachute. Famously his test was him wearing his own suit and jumping off the Eiffel Tower. He was also seeking to innovate and create with other materials (I think he as a curtain maker) and risked his life. Sad for sure. What rush did would be like telling people his parachute had been tested (which it hasn’t), was made of materials which were perfect (when in fact the opposite was true) and safe (without doing any safety tests). Furthermore, going out to actively sell this idea people and get them to try his parachute by parroting those features which were blatant lies and just hoping it went well. To me, that’s evil and takes a special kind of person to have absolutely no qualms about lying to others with no regard of their safety in an attempt to “innovate”. It shows a total lack of sympathy or empathy through active and knowing deception. His passengers families are now dealing with the consequences this mans actions. The number of people hit with tragedy could range in the hundreds when looking Spouses, children, siblings, in laws, employees etc.

[@thetruthisthelight0910]

@@MGJDMNJ Let's not descend into hyperbole. He was NOT akin to Hitler. That belief system was an ignorant, evil, ethnic & racial ideology that ignored the facts, and who GOD created, which is EVERYONE. Rush was a fascinating figure, --the books to come, will be interesting. He was such an apparent egomaniac & a narcissist, who was dumb enough, with all of his surface intelligence and college degrees, to take the proverbial "snake oil" that he was selling to others.

[@ariahaneul]

I've watched a few videos on this topic and I think this is the best one so far: concise explanations without any click bait type content or conspiracy theories. I love how clearly you explain things!

[@JamesCarmichael]

Not to sound grim, but the deaths of these five people are quite unique in that 1: There has never been a deep submersible implosion leading to human death and 2: Practically nothing that I'm aware of could cause such an instantaneous death like that besides deep ocean implosion has happened on earth. Sure there are deaths that are instantaneous and very quick, but nothing that will tear you apart into pieces before you even register a danger. So in an odd way Rush was a pioneer - in execution.

[@giggiddy]

People with that type of wealth are always looking for a one of a kind, never done before experience. And thats what they got. 😅 SPLAT

[@joshuapatrick682]

Oh and Stockton Rush was an idiot, and possibly a murderer? It astounds me someone with a background in Aviation wouldn’t consider cycle fatigue.

[@pvtimberfaller]

I know people who were witness to the tests early on, the clip where Rush states it was “tested” to 300 meters(?) The model actually failed at that depth and they spun it. In addition my witness stated the wiring was awful and primitive as was the workmanship and design aspects.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

wiring was primitive or simple? if wiring is like a web, you can't really fix it in short time

[@pvtimberfaller]

@@vipvip-tf9rw By primitive I mean it didn't have stuff like circuit breakers etc.

[@shrimpgeisha]

I SCUBA dived one time and I am in no rush to do it again. While it was a cool experience, knowing the dangers if anything goes wrong is too much for me to try it again.

[@jezackr3500]

I really like the format of this episode - jumping back and forth between the mission and the backstory makes it a compelling narrative:)

[@quinbatcheller5805]

I dislike how the sponsor read is peppered throughout the video. It makes it seem like the story is worked around the advertisement rather than the other way around. I get that it's relevant but it just rubs me the wrong way and I wouldn't be surprised if other people feel that way too. Other than that it's a really interesting video 👍

[@waterlinestories]

Hey, Ive listened to the feedback. Ive deleted the duplicate sponsorship segments and kept the main one. Ive also put a timestamp in the description so its easy to navigate the sponsor chapter. Thanks for the feedback.

[@fatrambo73]

@@waterlinestories many don’t listen thanks for considering the subscriber.

[@zarajones5428]

Been looking forward to your take on this. Can tell you've really taken the time to research and do this properly instead of doing it quickly and poorly to capitalise on the initial hype. Thank you!

[@enilenis]

Very comprehensive research. I watched dozens of videos on the subject and this is, hands down, the best one. Thank you for producing it.

[@thedacardea416]

Lot of excuses made and minimizing done on the behalf of Stockton Rush here. He ought to be cited as an exemplar of the dangers of people whose personalities are at the intersection of grandiose and vulnerable narcissism. He had been told over and over what a stupid idea this was, and he knew that it was a stupid idea. He knew that these people wouldn't all be saying so if it weren't, but his ego was the most important thing on earth. He had no compunctions taking that teenage boy down in a submersible that he knew was going to blow one day. That's what you call "depraved indifference". People like him will absolutely go to their own graves in service of their ego problems., and they'll take anyone with them. Its really something else to me to see people continuing to give these videos the credibility of being "educated" when they present the idea of seafloor mining like it's a neutral concept without nightmarish ramifications for life on the entire planet. Just because someone neutralizes their tone by taking a benzo before reading their script doesn't mean they're The Smart People on KZbin.

[@Noikar]

I like it better when the sponsored stuff is in one part of the video cuz otherwise it feels like I'm being constantly nagged.

[@waterlinestories]

Hey, Ive listened to the feedback. Ive deleted the duplicate sponsorship segments and kept the main one. Ive also put a timestamp in the description so its easy to navigate the sponsor chapter. Thanks for the feedback.

[@GoBlueGirl78]

I’m a fan of all your work, but I think this is your best video so far. The way you’ve explained the history & gone into detail to describe the complex technical aspects makes it really easy to understand.

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

It's one big advertisement FFS. Best work? the advertisement never fucking ends.

[@GoBlueGirl78]

@@Mr.UnacceptableBlink twice if someone is forcing you to watch.

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

@@GoBlueGirl78 Good excuse for shitty habits. So no I didn't bother watching all the advertisements.

[@GoBlueGirl78]

@@Mr.UnacceptableAnd yet, you’re still here, helping his algo 😅

[@GoBlueGirl78]

@@mrjjman2010Where did I say OG was innovative? LOL You’re making shit up & claiming I said it.

[@nightowl3582]

"Safety be damned." - Stockton Rush.

[@danieldevito6380]

Hold on a second... Those end caps were only GLUED on? Are you kidding me?!!

[@scottbutkowski5803]

That's exactly what I thought, And it almost certainly played a role in its destruction.

[@stacey7529]

I would love to see the Titanic. I've been fascinated about everything Titanic since I was little. That said, never in my life would I ever go down in a submersible. It looks like a tiny water coffin.

[@navibanfield1591]

I really feel that the main two reason this happened was the cost-cutting surrounding non destructive testing and the fact that i truly believe that they descended too fast. They reached the titanic depth far too early and that plus the previous wear and tear from other dives is probably a large factor. Moving up too fast can be fatal and moving down too fast can be just as fatal.

[@waterlinestories]

If there vessel were able to withstand the force at depth then the rate of descent or ascent would not be a factor. On the descent the only thing that rate would possibly do is create momentum that they would need to slow before contacting the seabed.

[@Stark21293]

It was never rated or tested for anywhere near the depth of the actual dives………so the point is kinda irrelevant. Also, the change in external ATM absolutely plays a factor when you consider the type of material used 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Lakridza67]

Fantastic episode yet again. Outstanding research for this presentation. Might I add that the Skandi Vinland is a serious vessel almost worthy of its own episode. Beautiful ship if ever I did see one. 👏👏👏

[@ImLqnd]

imagine even thinking of going down to see the titanic in something that was glued together.

[@johnj.baranski6553]

Did they know that?

[@infernalstan886]

This video needs an award for most plugs for Brilliant in a single video 😅

[@waterlinestories]

This didn't go down how I thought it would😂

[@waterlinestories]

Hey, Ive listened to the feedback. Ive deleted the duplicate sponsorship segments and kept the main one. Ive also put a timestamp in the description so its easy to navigate the sponsor chapter. Thanks for the feedback.

[@ForbiddenMagic]

As usual you've brought new insights and made interesting a topic i've seen covered many times! One thing i feel the need to mention about carbon fiber is that it's like a rope in that it that it performs best under tension (pulling) vs. compression. For this reason it works great for air tanks, pressurized aircraft hulls and such where the fibers are being pulled but not in the case of Titan where the fibers are being pushed not pullsed so the only thing providing and strength really is the resin. I like how you pointed out that the need to be flexinble when innovating, make mistakes, learn from them, and change paths when necessary.

[@drstrangelove09]

As an engineer, whenever I'm working on a new concept, I always iterate, and correct problems as I go.

[@mlembrant]

the most expensive, epic and fastest skullcrush that man kind ever have created yet!

[@davidpawson7393]

The video I've been waiting patiently, yeah right, for but quality isn't rushed nor cheap so here we are getting the Alvin version in a sea of net bouys.

[@joshuapatrick682]

He never solved the “depth issue” also if someone tells you it’s going to take an hour to seal/unseal you into a cylinder run the fuck away. That person is obviously incapable of worrying about your safety because all other submersibles have dorso lateral access hatches for a reason after all.

[@Velereonics]

Something being TOO hard is a problem you have to watch out for when treating bone issues. Prolia is a really interesting medication for halting (or supposedly reversing although not in my experience lol) the softening of bones. But if you take too much your bones become so hard and rigid that they become brittle and prone to fractures

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

That's a good point. Bones are meant to be at least a little flexible. Take the two in your forearms for example- they twist around each other all damn day, like they're supposed to. Wouldn't be possible without at least a bit of give. Things being 'too hard' is also problematic in things like earthquakes, which is why modern buildings in earthquake-prone areas are designed with joints.

[@TheJayLordx]

Same principle with drinking too much milk because of all the calcium in it. Which is something I genuinely worry about as I fucking love milk and drink it constantly.

[@l.o.gfauzan1877]

The writing is all over the place, same point is brought up multiple times like it were never mentioned earlier in the video. And that damn repeating background sound

[@Mo_Taser]

Just a brilliantly informative video. I'm a commercial diver and I think we talked briefly on your channel before. Even though I'm a diver I have no experience with manned submersibles. Of course I understand the physics of pressure you're talking about but your information about pressure hulls was fascinating. I learned a lot. Great job.

[@GeneralJackRipper]

22:19 Rush's major innovation was, _"Not relying on tried and true methods, and not relying on old white men with experience,"_ to build his submersible. Let me ask the peanut gallery: Hey folks, would you ride in an aircraft built using 'non-traditional construction methods, and not using tried and true airplane construction methods'?

[@GoBlueGirl78]

LOL Probably not. I’d have never gone in the OceanGate sub. But TBF, a plane is not a good comparison because of the different environments. Eg carbon fibre works on a plane hull because of internal pressurization.

[@GeneralJackRipper]

@@GoBlueGirl78 I think the guy was arrogant and simply assumed his existing body of knowledge was enough to do the job. He certainly didn't seem to understand the difference between the mechanical forces differing between aircraft at high altitude, and submarines beneath the sea. The guys I talked to with submarine experience took one look at how this submersible was constructed and said it was a death trap.

[@GoBlueGirl78]

@@GeneralJackRipper I completely agree. I have a friend who dives & said it looked like a death trap.

[@DeezNuggz]

did he really bring race into it or are you being hyperbolic? if he actually said that, nothing of value was lost. edit: wow he really did say that quote 😂

[@nonna_sof5889]

Oh, it's worse than that. This thing not only didn't have safety testing by third parties, their own personnel were telling them it was unsafe. At least an airplane, at least in the US, will have someone check the work before flying.

[@FireRescue884]

Very good Documentary, takes a lot keep my attention to the end 👍

[@waterlinestories]

That's great to hear

[@ByproductRebelMind]

while the sheeples were glued to their TV's the power that be was up to no good.. Amazing how a little distraction can go a long ways

[@kenday7942]

AT LAST! A scientifically accurate and well presented description of the physics of pressure, depth and volume as it relates to diving. A brilliant, well organized presentation expertly done.

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks

[@howdan1985]

Thank you for another absolutely fascinating, highly informative and expertly-produced video. I'd always wanted to know more about the Titan disaster and you explain it in the most easy to understand way. World class.

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks, I really appreciate that

[@printer5518]

I almost didn’t watch this video because there were so many KZbin videos of this last year, but I’m glad I did because you brought a higher level of research and facts as well as a much better overall view of the whole event, and some things to think about not brought up before.

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks, I really appreciate that

[@mssuxmyass]

Very well done! I was waiting for your analysis too, as has been mentioned this has been covered a lot by others, but short of a very technical discussion of the properties of carbon fiber under compression this was as excellent, No one I'm familiar with on YT covers issues involving underwater pressure as completely as you, thank you!

[@kirstenspencer3630]

😢

[@mirandapetrie8514]

I think you’ve done a great job covering this incident with an examination presented from all sides. I think this counts as appreciative inquiry. Great job!

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@Scratchingforcash]

Wow, what an amazingly detailed video, thank you very much. A lot of questions answered.

[@McFrop]

I've watched a ton of videos on the topic. This was by far the most interesting and well researched I've seen. Nice work!

[@waterlinestories]

Thanks, I really appreciate that