The Law of Moses, the Gospel, and Antinomianism: A Response to R. L. Solberg

[@DavidWilberBlog]

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[@joshamaya196]

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[@martystover5689]

David Wilber, I fully agree with your position. You gotta bring up what Christ was teaching his disciples and the crowd in Matthew 23:1-3 and also verse 23! He does blatantly and very clearly tell them to practice and obey the law of Moses (Law of God). 😉 Love you brother. Continue in humility! ❤

[@ToddsDiscGolf]

As long both you fellas keep it cordial and loving. I believe you’re both sincere in your desire to follow Jesus. Make sure that gentleness and love undergirds both your arguments with each other. ❤️

[@jenofthenorth02]

May Jesus bless you David as you speak the truth! ששלום ה' ינוח עליך

[@truthnottradition7]

Here is a line from my 7th day Sabbath study that I wish every "christian" would take the time to understand. It would add so much clarity in understanding Pauls letters. Laws of God / Moses controversies of the Gospels are on issues of Halacha (based on biblical commandments (mitzvot), subsequent Talmudic and rabbinic law Halacha teaches how to behave between others and God) The N.T. uses paradosis for Jewish Halachah (Rabbinic rules for walking out Torah): For example see Matthew 15:2,3,6; Mark 7:3,5,8,9,13. Paul uses it in a negative sense in Colossians 2:8 “tradition of men,” and in a positive sense for his own instruction as to how believers should walk (1 Cor 11:2; Gal 1:14; 2 Thess 2:15; 3:6).

[@jeremyarevalo5665]

Because I am saved I choose to honor the Father's commandments, thank you Son of the Most High for bringing me a reason to obey the Father and why I want to be like you so I can please Him! Thank you for teaching me how to love!

[@Anon62796]

Great video David. I think this is your best “response” style video. Respectful and firm. Well done!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I appreciate that!

[@rcormonutube]

great video. I believe Solberg has made very good clarifications on the reasons , explicitly the 5 points that vmake impossible the following of the law . Not in an antinomian way , rather in a respectful way for the law and the previous covenants, which makes unnecessary the rituals . As Jesus said, unless we were more righteous than the scribes and pharisees, we would not see the kingdom of God. Here Solberg shows good points on the GOspel summarizing in the grace for everybody including Jews , as the scripture confirms that nobody was ever saved by the law until Jesus consummated it ( as the law was a mean to show men the no salvation through works from the beginning). Emphasis is provided on Paul recognizing the foundation provided by the law pointing to the Messiah ( if the prime is holy , the rest is holy) Thanks for the wisdom and the learning opportunity .I have been checking the information from some months. God Bless you.

[@DedicatedtoYAH]

“For if you really believed Moshe, you would believe me; because it was about me that he wrote. But if you don’t believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”” ‭‭Yochanan (Jhn)‬ ‭5‬:‭46‬-‭47‬ ‭CJB‬‬

[@eclipseGlassfish]

Yes, Christ pointing out that if you could not believe Moses who prophesied the coming of a Messiah, it would be difficult for you to believe that he is that Messiah come to provide a new covenant, superseding, fulfilling the Mosaic Law which only proved that man could not keep it, hence Jesus, his new law, not written on tablets but on the hearts of men, as he dwells in us by the Holy Spirit. He especially, in the context of the verses prior, exposes how they put so much hope in Moses, the keeping of the Law, their works of righteousness, glory they get from each other and not the glory that comes from His Father, the purpose of his coming.

[@ldk777far]

Way back in the mid 1980's (while travelling in the USA) I came across Jewish beleivers in Messiah, I attended a Passover sadar and was totally blown away by the experence and it had me going back to the scriptures with new insights. Since then I have been blessed by some wonderful and humble teachers of the Torah over the years - the scripture is from Genesis to Revelations. It is sad that many Christians are so lacking in knowledge of the books the old testement (the Tanakh) or how it relates to them. The Torah is for today or has G-D changed? What G-D "hated" then, is not something HE hates now? If we don't know what is unlawful how can we know we have sinned? And how can we be lawful with out the law? Can being lawless be wrong if we are not required to follow the law? Common sense tells you that there are many parts of the Torah of G-D which we can not keep but for the rest what is the problem? Christians tell be that they just keep the ten commandments but I smile and reply - "You mean the nine commandments".

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

If it's impossible for someone to be both a follower of Christ to keep law of Moses, how does Solberg explain Apostle Paul - the apostle to the gentiles - declaring after 25 years or more as a Christian: _“Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended at all”_ (Acts 25:8)? And how does he account for Paul's admonition that: _neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God_ (1 Corinthians 7:19)?

[@ArchDLuxe]

Well done, sir! Great tone. Your patience realy comes through in the calm way you explain things. I know it can be frustrating to engage in discussions where opponents shift the goal posts. You are adorning His truth with grace. Keep it up!

[@wesmyhre8034]

Very respectful. Thanks

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks for watching!

[@casparjw]

This response video is on point, David. Well done. I've somewhat followed the back and forth with you and Solberg and I watched his video regarding the Law of Moses and the Gospel when it first came out, and I have witnessed his flip-flopping on this very point. He may not even realized at the time that he was doing this. But it's not just on this point that his arguments get convoluted. It happens whenever he attempts to articulate who/what *Israel* is and whenever he attempts to explain that the Law of Moses has "ended", but not actually and isn't applicable to Christians but kind of is. I do hope Solberg will one day take it upon himself to actually familiarize himself with the scholarship and exegetical work of men like David Rudolph and Matthew Thiessen and Mark Nanos. Unfortunately, Solberg is really just stuck at the level of an apologist. He doesn't avail himself of resources accessible for real exegetical analysis.

[@kingdomseekers1973]

You said it perfectly David. He changed his argument within the same video several times

[@DedicatedtoYAH]

“Yes, keep this book of the Torah on your lips, and meditate on it day and night, so that you will take care to act according to everything written in it. Then your undertakings will prosper, and you will succeed.” ‭‭Y'hoshua (Jos)‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬ ‭CJB‬‬

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

For all his posturing about being a theologian, Solberg handles Scripture and history appallingly. Contrary to what Solberg claimed in his video _Which biblical laws apply to Christians?_ (I can't post the link): 1. Gentiles living in Israel were not expected to be Torah-observant. Although they were not supposed to work on the sabbath, they were not required to circumcise their sons or eat only kosher foods, for example. 2. The Torah was not built piecemeal with the addition of extra mitzvot each time Israel disobeyed God. 3. Although the ten northern tribes were taken into captivity and Israel never recovered as a nation, those tribes were not wiped off the map. Many Israelites fled south to the nation of Judah. Babylon's conquest of the Assyrian empire also brought the exiled ten northern tribes under Babylon's control. All twelve tribes were thus affected by the Babylonian captivity and a remnant of all twelve later returned to the Promised Land. 4. The Promised Land did not become a theocracy post-exile; that is what it was between Moses and King Saul. Post-exile, it became a hierocracy (priestly rule). 5. The commandments referred to in Matthew 22:36-40 were not introduced for the new covenant; they merely affirmed existing summaries of the old one (cf. Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). The greatest commandment encapsulates the first four of the 10 commandments and the second greatest commandment encapsulates the last six. 6. Obedience to the 10 commandments has not been done away with on the basis of Matthew 22:36-40 or by anything else written in the NT. 7. Acts 10 has nothing to do with God declaring all foods clean. As the narrative plainly shows, Peter's vision was allegorical and the reality concerned sharing the gospel with gentiles. Given the ritual purity context of Mark 7, even Mark 7:19 only applies to _kosher_ foods. Furthermore, 1 Corinthians 10:23-30 concerns asking questions about whether food has been offered in sacrifice, not whether it is kosher. 8. In saying the old covenant has become obsolete at Hebrews 8:13, the writer does not say it has already been abolished; rather, he says it _will soon_ disappear. Solberg even says the old covenant is not just obsolete but that it has already disappeared. 9. The Law of Moses didn't only concern outward acts and behaviors. The two greatest commandments prove otherwise. The 1st and 10th commandments, which bookend the others, clearly concern one's thoughts. 10. Christ does not give us his righteousness. 2 Corinthians 5:21 says Christ was _made_ sin for us (not that our sin was imputed to Him) and that we _become_ the righteousness of God through union with Christ (not just have it imputed to us). See also Romans 3:22; 5:19; Galatians 3:13 & Philippians 3:9. What we do see, though, is that faithfulness to God was reckoned to Abraham as righteousness (Romans 4:3, 9, 22). See also Romans 4:5-6 for righteousness on the basis of faithfulness being imputed to us also.

[@thejohn17project15]

Another great and kind response to his terrible arguments. Maybe you should do a video that is just clips of him contradicting himself and moving the goal posts.

[@TheGiantSlayer1]

Do it

[@HCA777]

Mulțumim!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks for the support!

[@LoiDivine]

Every other Prophet we shall listen to in virtue of the word of Moses: (Deut 18:15-19) "A prophet like me will the LORD, your God, raise up for you from among your own kindred; that is the one to whom you shall listen." So a prophet after Moses cannot contradict Moses (which would oppose the reason we shall listen to him) and shall also come from the people of Moses. Therefore Jeez who tells to abolish the laws of Moses is not to be followed. and Mohamed is even not from the people of Moses, and makes his own law...

[@BiblicalApologetics]

Rob should spend time learning more about the curse of the law vs the law itself. That should help with his inconsistency

[@jeffreyalvarez3035]

Also the law that came due to sin. The sacrificial system in the book of Leviticus was a response to Moses plea to God to not annihilate the nation of Israel. It is the shadow of good things to come and the ordinances that were against us. The sin offerings were to teach us that if you sin something had to die and that we needed someone to redeem us. This also made it our schoolmaster until the seed came which is Christ.

[@ledanart]

@@jeffreyalvarez3035the ‘good things to come’ are still ahead of us. This is the millennial kingdom and the world to come (new heavens and earth) in Jesus’ second coming. We are still in the present world of duality and sin in which more work is necessary. The ordinances of the Torah are not against us, they are against the wicked. If you believe in Messiah you are free from the condemnation (curses) of the Torah upon the wicked. It does not mean that the Torah is evil or unfair. On the contrary the Torah is a reflection of God’s will for the humanity. This is what Paul explained in Galatians. When you have hard feelings about the Torah always remember the words of our Messiah, our ultimate teacher: Do not think that I come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. Build your understanding of the Scriptures on that and you’ll get a new light of Paul’s (difficult) writings

[@NANA-fh6we]

⁠@@jeffreyalvarez3035that can’t be the case. Exodus 25-31 gives very precise details about what the priest are to do. This occurred before the golden calf incident. Animal sacrifices were being done in the time of Cain and Abel, so it’s not something that just sprang up out of nowhere. It’s even seen in the Passover on Exodus 14, before the golden calf incident

[@simonkruse2459]

David, you win every debate with Solberg. I'm not sure why you bother with him anymore. Maybe he doesn't take you seriously because you have a globe sitting behind you? And yes I did by your book and I love it. 👏👍

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Why would that cause him not to take me seriously? Is Solberg a flat earther? Anyway, I like Solberg and he is actually one of my favorite interlocutors for my writing and videos. He and Andy Stanley provide the best quotes to use for the position I’m arguing against.

[@simonkruse2459]

Brother, so what you're saying is we live on a spinning ball?

[@ScottRachelson777]

Good take here: "But what then of those New Testament passages that teach that the Christian is free of the Old Testament and other ceremonial law (e.g. Mk. 7:19)? The simple answer to that is that this passage (Matt. 5:17-20) is not a detailed statement concerning every single aspect of the Christian’s relationship to the Old Testament law; its scope and frame of reference are more limited. As I have argued, the purpose of these verses is to answer the accusation that Jesus is an antinomian who favoured a lowering of moral standards; and the question of whether or not the Old Testament food laws should be binding on all is not here in question."

[@DavidWilberBlog]

That person is wrong and simply imposing their later conceptual framework of "moral law" onto the text of Matthew 5:17-20. A straightforward reading of the text is clear: not an "iota or dot" has passed from the Law.

[@Anon62796]

I think a podcast/conversation style video with Solberg would be much better than a debate style video. Just a 2-3 hour video where you guys sit down and have a polite back and forth conversation about this topic. Shabbat shalom!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

He and I have talked about doing something like that. Hopefully it can happen eventually.

[@Anon62796]

@@DavidWilberBlog that would be awesome.

[@snowadrian]

David Wilber is rightly dividing the scriptures, and simply showing that the new (renewed) covenant is a continuation, not a new thing altogether. Yeshua died to bring us back into covenant, to keep the original promises to the nation, not so that we could continue to transgress the covenant!

[@seankennedy4284]

Very good video, thanks. One telltale sign of insufficient / incomplete scholarship is the lack of a clear and consistent argument. Sounds like Solberg is yet equivocating on whether Torah-keeping is contradictory to following Christ vs. whether it is compatible. Waiting for him to get to the question of whether it is not only compatible, but actually required.

[@JohnRobinson-qo7qb]

Sing the song of Moses and the Lamb Revelation 15:3

[@DTH1661]

Shalom and blessings, David. I pray you are well, brother. Thank you for your excellent and edifying video. I totally agree with you and I also believe Rob is a genuine man of YHWH. However, since listening to him recently he seems to be moving the deckchairs around on a sinking Titanic. Every blessing, brother. David (UK)

[@TheMissionWithEric]

Shalom, this was well articulated, and presented.👍🏼

[@nicoarnold2200]

With all due respect David, I love your systematic thinking and way of explaining your views and you make a great teacher. I do not agree with all your views though and do believe that Rob has the better argument in most cases. May we all learn from the exchange in responses between the two of you, and hold fast to that which is good. God bless.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Fair enough. I appreciate the kind words, and thanks for thoughtfully considering another perspective. Maybe someday I'll be able to persuade you! :)

[@Tracy-Inches]

Maybe we pray that the Father will do the persuading and we continue planting.

[@DedicatedtoYAH]

So YAHWEH our creator was angry at the continual sin and disregard for His law…so His solution is to send His son to get rid of the law He created? Really??? Um no

[@sherryr7792]

I said a prayer for him that the veil/delusion will be lifted from him soon and that he will be humble enough to see. 🙏 Thank you David for refuting him with such respect and love!

[@rsbertram]

Absolutely loved it... Would love to see a debate with Dr Michael Brown and yourself.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I feel like I would need to prepare for an entire year before debating that guy lol. He’s sharp.

[@wheatandchaff-z6s]

I was curious as to who should be putting Sabbath breakers to death according to the Mosaic Law in Exodus 31: 13-15? Is that the responsibility of the pastor/elders or should the whole congregation stone them?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

FWIW, I've never met a single Sabbath keeper who believes that we are supposed to enforce capital punishment for breaking the Sabbath today. For one thing, the Torah forbids one from doing so. I made a video on the topic. Hope it helps! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqqti4OCh7ljrMU

[@isacnoel4326]

Love this! Great job

[@HCA777]

Amen Brother David!

[@yahsworld2940]

The Torah is part and parcel of the gospel of the kingdom. Nothing unclean and no one who practices abomination and lying can ever enter the new Jerusalem (Revelation 21:27). Those terms sound awfully familiar don’t ya think? God’s Law is the guide to how to behave in the kingdom and the Lamb is the door that allows us to enter.

[@davidpatrick1813]

Thank You

[@ShaulTzuar]

I want to say that I know what Solberg means by a double-minded approach. I do think that this particular criticism is appropriate. But it is a specific issue that can happen no matter what one’s theological paradigm. It is not a useful argument to throw out the baby with the bath water. Some do become so hyper-focused on “doing” Torah that they lose their focus on Messiah. They forget to worship Messiah receiving and giving mercy for those who are yet to fully understand why Torah is important. It is akin to those who become so hyper focused on grace that they don’t emphasize accountability to the truth. Or like some who become hyper-focused on the book of revelation so that they forget the teachings of Yeshua for day to day life. They forget the importance of sanctification and sharing the gospel. Often when we become overly focused, we forget fellowship in the bond of love with those who may truly be trusting in Gods mercy and receiving His grace yet have not fully recognized the beauty of Torah. I have stumbled in this area myself but my sinning in this way does not release me from what I know is true. Don’t get me wrong, I believe Torah is a “should” and not merely an invitation, but I am not sure that we will convince them without a merciful loving approach. They must see our love of Messiah and the mercy of God toward them as we hold tight to what we know is true for sanctification. Our calling is not easy. You have done a beautiful job David. Let us all pursue the truth in light of Gods mercies. We must remember that such were some of us.

[@WallstreetJackboyz]

Laying the smackdown!

[@MsChashar]

Good job David ! Keep up the good work

[@cynthiahunter2570]

To be honest, he agreed with you on a few points and never attacked you personally. Question: since obedience to the law cannot bring about righteousness, to what are we to be obedient? John 6:29 Jesus said: “This is the work which God requires, that you “believe on him” whom he has sent.“ Romans 1:4 .. Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the “obedience of faith…”

[@ledanart]

This is the kind of circular reasoning that makes Paul’s writings so difficult to understand. At the end of the day we are not justified by the perfection of our accomplishment of the Law but by the merits of Messiah. But if we truly believe in Messiah we must walk in his footsteps and live obediently as he lived. What I’m saying is that ‘not being justified by the Law’ does not means ‘reject it, forget it, destroy it’. After believing in Jesus, Paul did not abandon the ways of the Torah. That would be weird as Jesus’ ways are the ways of the Torah. That idea of rejecting it is mostly a later intellectual adding by Luther and other theologians, it’s just dark stuff. Imagine this situation, someone tells a foreign National: obeying the laws of our country does not grant you citizenship. There is a specific procedure for that. And the person understands: ok this must mean that all the laws of the country are abolished then😂😂

[@KeepingWatch95]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, *what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?* Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but *if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.* Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[@eclipseGlassfish]

The Mosaic Law is subsumed by the Law of Christ. So, I don't reject, forget or destroy the Law, it's that the practice of the old covenant was God's witness of his chosen and their inability to keep it, an attempt at satisfying righteousness before God that is lived out as burdensome, and hence the need for a better covenant. The Law of Christ, not written on tablets of stone but on the hearts of men. How is that dark stuff? It is light, liberation brought by Christ to live righteousness in us, setting me free from the bondage of the Law. It's the provision of a means by which we are better able to keep and obey the laws of the country and be ambassadors of a new law. We are to walk in the spirit and to not fulfill the desires of the flesh and the Holy Spirit enables us to far exceed the Law God gave as the old covenant. Paul would have no imperative to stop practicing the ways of the Torah as was his Jewish custom and discipline. But Paul himself taught that Christ has brought a better, a greater covenant.

[@azarel7]

@@eclipseGlassfish Well said.

[@ShaulTzuar]

I think your quote of JN 6:29 is out of context: The jewish people of the land were likely all eating kosher, resting on shabbat, doing deeds of repentance (they were, after all, the people of the land and were seeking this amazing teacher). But they were seeking Jesus for his miracles of food, he corrects them and they asked what they must do. His answer is then, of course, that they need to believe in the one whom the father had sent. Notice that he doesn't say believe and then stop worrying about obeying commandments and festivals. The work of God is faith that leads to heart obedience (obedience of faith). Not wrote obedience as if we are doing magical actions and checking boxes to earn grace, but heartfelt obedience because a person believes in the one God sent and has received what only God can give: grace. Torah obedience, Law obedience is something I do now in freedom from the fear of the penalty for failing to do it perfectly.(Ro.8) I do the torah commands by faith through His Spirit. They are part of sanctification for all believers. Many Christians already do Torah commands when they care for the widow and the orphan. When they serve in their communities to help the less fortunate, when they deal in good faith with others in business, when they are careful with the name of God. There are many commandments that Christians already strive for because of their love for God. I believe that we have the privilege of more not less. More ways that God clearly says he desires us to show our love for him. Festivals are a great starting point. Festivals help believers see the eternal time line of events in God's redemption story and the Eschaton.

[@rayapapa5946]

Good job brother 👍 yah bless!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thank you! Blessings to you too.

[@bayoucountry3331]

He may not be under the Law he may be under a great delusion that affects most churchianity.

[@rudolphmaziya9665]

Why are the 10 commandments called the law of Moses when it was written by Go himself even after the first stones broke. God could not delegate the rewriting of the commandments. I therefore call the 10 commandments the law of God compared to the laws that were written by Moses which I call of Moses. God even calls the Sabbath "the Sabbath of the Lord your God in exodus 20

[@DedicatedtoYAH]

“The Torah-teachers and the P’rushim,” he said, “sit in the seat of Moshe. So whatever they tell you, take care to do it. But don’t do what they do, because they talk but don’t act!” ‭‭Mattityahu (Mat)‬ ‭23‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭CJB‬‬

[@DedicatedtoYAH]

My word!!!! Arrggg. Yeshua was the walking Torah showing us how to live it out. His commandments have been since the beginning. Torah is the Word of Yeshua.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

Why didn't the apostles care that Titus wasn't circumcised

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Paul, like other Jews (e.g., Josephus), was against anyone being "compelled" to become circumcised. Paul's opponents believed that Gentiles must become Jews to be saved, and that was believed to happen through circumcision (e.g., Acts 15:1). During the Hasmonean period, circumcision began to be associated with conversion to Judaism. And by the first century, circumcision was synonymous with Jewish identity and had evolved into the ritual symbolizing the culmination of the conversion process for males. Paul opposed adult Gentile males undergoing this rite with the intention to become "Jewish" because it implied that God saved only Jews on the basis of their Jewish identity, which is a false gospel. In contrast to the idea that salvation is available only to Jews (whether one is born Jewish or converts later), the apostles taught that a person is saved because of their faith in the Messiah. While the apostles opposed the idea that Gentiles needed to become Jews to be saved, they did not oppose the idea that Gentiles should learn and do the Torah. In fact, according to Acts 15:21, the apostles expected Gentile believers to attend synagogue services every Sabbath to hear the Torah preached. Now, whether the Torah applies to Gentiles in all the same ways that it applies to Jews is a matter of debate, but the New Testament is clear that Jewish and Gentile believers have much more in common than not in terms of the Law.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

@@DavidWilberBlog thank you for taking your time to make this long and detailed response to my comment

[@TonyPino777Yeshuasaves]

Good Job David. Yes, Solberg is always moving the goal posts to fit his theology. It is what always happens when antinomanism comes in play. Blessings Brother.

[@riderxlx1]

So, what does he call the law and what law(s)

[@NANA-fh6we]

From what I’ve seen in some of his videos, it has to have been explicitly restated by Jesus or the apostles in the New Testament to be “The Law of Christ”. By explicitly, I mean, it has to say it verbatim. When it was pointed out to him that commandments pertaining to beastiality are not explicitly restated in the New Testament, he states that it falls under sexual immorality, which is indeed explicitly condemned in the New Testament. The problem with this is, we would have to turn to the Old Testament to define what sexual immorality is.

[@Bobbychildree]

Of course! Yeshua and His followers succeeded in following both, did they not? Rob apparently thinks Yeshua did not follow Moses, but the New Testament disagrees with that view. Rob argues that Yeshua DiD AWAY with the Aaronic Priesthood by introducing a “Better Priesthood” - scripture does not agree with that. The destruction of the Temple in 70AD interrupted the Aaronic Priesthood, certainly, but according to Ezekiel that priesthood will function on earth once again. There are deeper issues at stake, like Psalm 89:34 “My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone forth out of My mouth.” God’s perfect Torah cannot get more perfect - there’s nothing wrong with the Torah. While the New Testament unfolds delightful insights into the plans and purposes of God, it in no way puts down the Torah.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

I agree that the Apostles kept the law but I don't think they believed sacrifices were necessary

[@jeremiest-louis2943]

I found his video very confusing because of all the shifting of positions

[@cameronstolhand7149]

If you say jesus's teachings are not compatible with the law of Moses wouldn't that be like saying jesus's teachings are not compatible with Jesus's teachings? That is if you do believe that Jesus is God. How can they be of the same person if their teachings are contrary to each other?

[@simonkruse2459]

Exactly. David could end these debates very quickly. But it's good for views.

[@willytangkere5784]

Since the laW was written in log of stone, new covenant into the heart of individual Heart by the Spirit of GOD

[@husqvarna3726]

Excellent!

[@Jordan-1999]

So I believe that the Mosaic law consists of 613 laws in total. So how many of the 613 are we required to keep? Just so you know I am of the opinion that Christians should keep the 10 commandments.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

The "613" enumeration is a later tradition, fwiw. But in any case, in addition to the laws that all Christians believe we should keep (e.g., nine of the Ten Commandments, care for the widow and orphan, love your neighbor, etc.), I think we should also keep the 4th of the Ten Commandments (rest on the Sabbath), the food laws (Leviticus 11), the festivals (Leviticus 23), among a few others. Blessings!

[@Jordan-1999]

@@DavidWilberBlog If you don't mind me asking, Are you non denominational?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I practice Messianic Judaism, but I'm not a member of any "official" denomination.

[@KindersVanYAHWEH]

Anyone who rejects (aka does not believe) the writings of Moses will also reject (not believe) Yahshua Messiah's words - which is loaded with Torah. Only the wise will understand.

[@DannyYt-y5h]

Matthew 5:20 (ESV): For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven….the context that Yeshua was directing this comparison was the practicing of the Law, (Torah) or not being very observent of the Law.

[@KeepingWatch95]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, *what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?* Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but *if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.* Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[@bboness713]

If your love for God doesn't manifest itself in obedience to the Torah of God, maybe you don't love Him.... You don't continue in sin because you've been forgiven but rather try your best not to sin again. The Torah was the law, is the law and will be the law in the millennial kingdom. God doesn't change and His Torah is perfect.

[@yahsworld2940]

That’s why Tovia Singer debated this guy, he’s easy to disprove.

[@pierreferguson1300]

Where in the law given through Moses (Matthew 5:43) are you commanded to love your enemies (Matthew 5:44; Hebrews 7:11-12; Hebrews 8:10)? And the new commandment to love one another; just as the Lord Jesus Christ has loved us (John 13:34) by His Spirit (Galatians 5:22) is not written in the old covenant law given through Moses, therefore the law of Christ does not refer to the law given through Moses (Jeremiah 31:31-32). Sorry but Christ does not refer to Moses, new wine does not refer to old wine, the tribe of Judah does not refer to the tribe of Levi, Mount Zion does not refer to Mount Sinai, and the order of Melchizedek does not refer to the order of Aaron. Truly, in the Greek John 13:34 does not refer to Matthew 22:37-39. Only an antinomian would believe and teach that the law of Christ (Matthew 5:44) refers to the law given through Moses (Matthew 5:43). Psalm 56:5 All day long they distort my words; All their thoughts are against me for evil. (NASB)

[@jirehseiuli6173]

You are commanded to love your enemies (or gentiles ) as it is written in Leviticus 19:33-34 And if a stranger sojourn with you in your land you shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwells with you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself for you were strangers in the land of Egypt I am the LORD your God. And in leviticus 19:18 you shall not avenge nor bear any grudge against the children of your people but you shall love your neighbour as yourself. ☝️ is literally what the messiah was referencing when the lawyer asked him which is the greatest commandment in the law . Not the commandment in his law . Plus the word law in hebrew is torah which can mean law but can also mean instruction . Put it together you have the instructions of christ and while he did say love one another as I have loved you . He also said In mattew 5:17-20 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Unless your righteousness is better then the Pharisees you can't enter heaven does just mean faith or does that include works as well ? more scriptures to conclude the law isn't done away with is in Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. “Therefore whatever they tell you to observe that observe and do, but do not do according to their works for they say and do not do. Matthew 19:17 And he said to him why call you me good there is none good but one that is God but if you will enter into life keep the commandments John 14:15 if you love me keep my commandments ( remember mattew 23:1-3 etc) That last scripture of yours doesn't make sense and in fact ( I'm saying this in love not in anger hebrews 12:14 ) That scripture proves your thoughts and your doctrines are evil because worshipping Elohim doesn't just happen by saying "I trust in Jesus " or a couple of hyms songs at church it happens by walking the same way YESHUA HA'MASHIACH walked ( Just wanted to proclaim it in all caps ) as Yeshua said to the Pharisees in Mark 7: 6-9 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’fn “For laying aside the commandment of Elohim you hold the tradition of men the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” He said to them "All too well you reject the commandment of Elohim that you may keep your tradition. Because as Solomon wrote in Proverbs 28:9 but he that turns his ear from keeping the torah even his prayer shall be abomination

[@pierreferguson5257]

​​​@@jirehseiuli6173I disagree w/ your eisegesis in the spirit of error, Leviticus 19:33-34 says nothing about loving your enemies and your enemy could also be an Israelite not only a Gentile. Sorry Matthew 5:43 is not Matthew 5:44. You foolish "Galatians," who has bewitched you?

[@pierreferguson1300]

@@jirehseiuli6173 Truly, Leviticus 19:33-34 nor any of the other scriptures you referenced from the Tanakh say nothing about loving your enemies and Matthew 5:43 is not Matthew 5:44. Why are you willfully bearing false witness against the truth w/ your eisegesis from the spirit of error? You foolish "Galatians," who has bewitched you? And odds are that some hypocrite will hide or delete this comment.

[@heather602]

Exactly. Hence, Jesus saying "You have heard it said an eye for an eye, but *I* tell you.....etc. The law of Moses is the letter of the law. Jesus taught the Spirit of the law, which gets to the heart of the matter. Divorce was permitted under Moses for almost any reason due to the hardness of their hearts. Jesus teaches that divorce should only be done under limited conditions because marriage points to the greater mystery of Christ's relationship with the church, as Paul teaches in Ephesians. The law of Moses permits one to seek justice/Vengeance suffered. Jesus teaches us to commit all judgment to God, and be willing to suffer wrong for righteousness sake. He teaches us to turn the other cheek, give two cloaks, etc. These were not part of the letter of the law in Moses. But mainly, Jesus teaches grace rather than law and judgment. For example, the woman taken in adultery. When Jesus was suffering and dying on the cross, He didn't call out for wrath, retribution and judgment. He said Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

[@born2delet379]

Toda achi!

[@brianlucas7604]

Mr. Wilbur: How was Messiah justified? BY FLAWLESSLY KEEPING THE LAW.

[@jessiebass8670]

will you guys be debating anytime soo? RL comes off as very confused.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

We have talked about doing another debate or live discussion. I cannot right now due my schedule but I would be up for doing it in the future.

[@cameronstolhand7149]

The law of Moses is no longer required for what?

[@nicoarnold2200]

Required to be kept. It was for Israel alone.

[@myspoonky]

@@nicoarnold2200and we become spiritual Israel when we accept JesusChrist/Yeshuah Hamashiac as our Lord and Savior and so we also now have to obey GOD’s commandments. 😇

[@BiblersWayCottage]

Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. Jacob is Abraham’s seed and he became Israel so we too are grafted into the olive branch which is israel. 12 tribes 12 gates, halleluYah we are grafted into one of the tribes 😊🙌🏽♥️

[@myronmire4463]

Some people just don’t get it, the law is perfect if you have Love in your heart. You won’t sin against your brothers or our Fathers. Some people want God to be near, but there hands are dirty and their hearts corrupted. Using the 21 century edition of the strongest strong’s concordance Anyone can understand what the Father is saying. Taking the names of people,places,actions, and events. The little words and all the first time used Hebrew words and the verses associated with them with the root word for each word. Awake,O people

[@deniseirish8913]

Where do you worship? Are you saying we should still sacrifice animals? I am a little confused.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I attend a Messianic congregation in SC. No, I do not think we should still be sacrificing animals today.

[@godsmercycallministry7263]

Dean Odle series on Torah keeping . Fire and grace church

[@justsomeguy7768]

An example of pulling a Solberg... I don't teach the law is done away with, I teach it is done and elsewhere.

[@James-m8j2w]

How do you keep the law without a temple or a levitical priesthood?

[@alexblack6634]

It's permitted to commit adultery, not required 😂😂😂

[@HarryHafsak]

Solberg needs to ask himself, is he going to follow Jesus or is he going to follow a misunderstood Paul? He also seems to forget that Moses received those laws from God.

[@frankmckinley1254]

David, you can respond adnausim and it will not make a difference in his Greco-Roman Catholic Church system. He cares not for Scripture alone but loves a false religious system.

[@yeshuaeselcaminoayhwh1861]

Awesome David

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks!

[@yeshuaeselcaminoayhwh1861]

@@DavidWilberBlog when he said Yeshua commandand to teach nations everything he had teached them, besides matthew 5:19, matthew 23:1 is super clear. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. How do u go around that right? May our father open Rob's eyes to where he will one day say. Psalms 119:18 Open my eyes that I may see wonderful things in your law.

[@mbrown6837]

Ask Solberg: WWJD?

[@tonybenjamin7844]

Wasn't Yeshua's sacrifice necessary to allow The Northern Tribes to "marry" back into the "bride" of Yeshua, as they had been divorced by GOD? Because, as scripture says a husband cannot remarry a woman(who has gone and married another re false god worship aka adultery) so the only way around that was to have the "husband" die and be resurrected??

[@susanshea8415]

Yeshua taught Torah (the correct interpretation of Torah, not the tradition of the Pharisees) “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me. If anyone desires to do His (YHWH’s) desire, he shall know concerning the teaching, whether it is from Elohim, or whether I speak from Myself (making up new teachings and commands). John 7:16-17 At the end of days we see: Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Elohim And the belief of Yeshua. Rev 14:12 YHWY’s Word has not been replaced as Yeshua mentions all throughout the gospels that He came to do and say Only what His Father gave Him to say. If He taught anything different He would be a false prophet/messiah. Refer to Deuteronomy 13:1-5 and Deuteronomy 18:15-19. Mr Solberg is Scripturally off base. 😢

[@pierreferguson1300]

Truly, Exodus 19:5-6 was not fulfilled in the Law given through Moses, simply because only the tribe of Levi were the priesthood (Numbers 3; Hebrews 7:11). In the Old Testament (Tanakh) the nation of Israel w/ all twelve tribes was not a kingdom of priests. You are in the spirit of error. Repent. Jeremiah 4:22 “For My people are foolish, They do not know Me; They are foolish children And have no understanding. They are skillful at doing evil, But they do not know how to do good.” (NASB)

[@qwerty-so6ml]

Only one Gospel: Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM (gods).

[@Rogue_Sworn]

Its simply solburg is a modern day pharisee and agrees with the false witnesses set up against steven so either scripture is false and jesus did change the law of moses and solburg and false witnesses are correct or scriptures true you decided...‭‭Acts‬ ‭6:13‭-‬14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [13] and set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law: [14] for we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

[@MainPointMinistries]

This is textbook double-speak by Solberg. Such forked tongue disingenuous is dangerous to the faith, once and for all delivered to us by the saints.

[@alexblack6634]

Solberg is one of these Christians that DOES NOT want to learn and read his Bible!!!

[@tbishop4961]

You would stone adulterers to death?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

No, Christians don't believe the Torah's capital punishment laws are applicable today. We believe we should obey God's other laws that DO apply today though. For many of us, that would include God's command to rest on the Sabbath, for instance. See my video, "Why We Don't Stone Sabbath Breakers." Hope it helps!

[@tbishop4961]

@@DavidWilberBlog I did watch, but the evidences you provide are a bit weak. This is something I pondered alot in my early observance. It's one thing to go extreme lengths for kosher foods or proper caring for fields and livestock but something else entirely to carry out judgement You did provide an example of a crime for which substitution can be made, but the fact is this just doesn't exist for things like adultery, rape, or murder. There is no out. Only execution. And while you may appeal to "we don't live under a theocracy in Israel", again there is no provision in the covenant for such circumstances Not dogging your efforts. I just don't think it is as simple as you make it out

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

If animal sacrifices only point to JESUS why do you think they are still necessary

[@DavidWilberBlog]

For the same reason Christians do communion. It's a memorial of Christ's work. But I also think they serve a practical function as it pertains to worship at the physical temple. So, if there will be future restored in the future, those elements will once again serve a practical function. See the papers I cited in the video from Moffitt and Thiessen.

[@TheGiantSlayer1]

R. L. Solberg ... didn't he write a bunch of children's horror books?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Lol that is R. L. Stine.

[@TheGiantSlayer1]

​@@DavidWilberBlogI see, R.L.Solbergs horror writing is theological

[@Anon62796]

@@TheGiantSlayer1LOL

[@Tracy-Inches]

Good break down, still can’t give up the globe lie huh? I see it hanging upon nothing on the top shelf there in the back ground. Yah bless brother!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Lol I'm pretty solidly against flat earthism, and I don't see that changing. Sorry! Blessings!

[@jasonwebley6440]

These false teachers and their false teachings need to be pointed out. The leaders error and those who follow them are destroyed

[@aaronshipp8766]

Get em David, silly arguments & bad goalpost shifting. Hopefully he humbles himself & stops teaching this bad theology.

[@6969smurfy]

I'm always telling Rob Iove Him. He will turn from the Darkside of religion or He will just give up soon and atay blinded... I've noticed the way he's had to adapt His wordings against Torah more positive over last few years, it shows his cracks in his manned religoun armor. Nice Job Brither Dave Webber, Nice Job.

[@eclipseGlassfish]

What is the Darkside of religion you speak of?

[@Purdin347]

What are you referring to as law of Moses? Because Old Testament laws are also traditions of man as Jesus stated. But, if you follow Jesus, you won't break the 10 commandments. But, you won't do animal sacrifice for sins and illnesses. The laws were physical that was a shadow of the spiritual. Paul did the Nazarite offering to appease the Jewish leaders. A sin offering does go against the sacrifice of Jesus. I will just follow Jesus and not worry about the law of Moses. If you follow Jesus you can't go wrong. Plain and simple. I don't agree either of you. New Testament means Old Testament mean Old testament is pasted away. Jesus brought a New Covenant. Old has pasted away.

[@myspoonky]

The commandments of men that Yeshuah/JesusChrist was referring to was the rabbinic teachings and the Talmud and the oral Torah by the rabbis. The law of Moses as they call it is not the law of Moses but Moses was the one that got the commandments from GOD for the Israelites to follow . Old Testament is man made translation the real translation of the Torah is the Law and the New Testament is basically that commandments are not written anymore in tablets of stone But on the Tablets of our hearts! And we have also a new spirit in us!( The Holy Spirit living in us and helping us walk righteously and obey GOD’s commands and have the faith in Yeshuah Hamashiac/ JesusChrist for the forgiveness of sins.

[@salpezzino7803]

You arent arguing with Solberg, you are arguing with Jesus and His Bride. Too funny, Acts 15:21 sends no one anywhere.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks for the feedback. May God bless you abundantly!

[@salpezzino7803]

@@DavidWilberBlog I see you were able to block my comments. Rob asked you to join him in his vid and u declined, All cowards tossed into the Lake of Fire. You are going there anyway - false teacher

[@DavidWilberBlog]

​@@salpezzino7803 I don't know what you're talking about. I'm literally responding to your comments? In any case, I do hope to do another live discussion with Rob someday. Thanks for the comment. May God overwhelm you with his love!

[@TheGiantSlayer1]

​@salpezzino7803 nobody censoring you bud. We can all see your flawed comments and David responding with kindness

[@dandeliontea7]

​@@salpezzino7803cope and seethe more