The Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus: A Slow Motion Debate

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Ah! Now I get it! I was wondering why I was seeing multiple comments about "moving the goal posts" in the messages. Well, it turns out that instead of accepting my invitation to discuss these issues live on my channel, David chose to release a pre-recorded video response. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but it seems he may have mentioned something about me "moving the goal posts" in my argument. I'll have to check out his video when I get a minute. In the meantime, and I mean this in all sincerity, if someone can give me an example of a goal post that I moved in my argument, I'm all ears. My goal is to seek the truth, not win arguments. And I'm far from perfect! So if I have changed a rule or criterion of a process mid-argument, I'd welcome the chance correct myself publicly. Rob

[@jessiebass8670]

I reached out to david and asked "why you two didn't just talk rather than making videos". And He said "We have talked about doing another debate or live discussion. I cannot right now due my schedule but I would be up for doing it in the future". I hope you would think thats reasonable.

[@dispensationofgod]

You're both partially right and more importantly partially wrong. You mention the things Paul said not to do or rather things that people who will not be in the kingdom of heaven do. Every one of those mentioned in Galatians are Mosaic laws. Jesus said in Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. The law has commands and judgments. We are not to execute the judgments of the law, that is Jesus' job which will be accomplished at the great white throne judgment. Judge no lest ye be judged. Much of the Mosaic law is not possible to be performed, espcially as it relates to judgments, ritual cleansing and sacrifices. What we are left with are the parts of the law that have to do with spiritual purity and God's moral law. Jesus said in John 3:17-21 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. John continued to show what the transformation of the true believer in Christ looks like in 1 John 3:1-10 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Why have another debate on H roots v. law of love? We've seen these back-and-forth tired arguments from both of these extremes and both of these arguments take out of context what the Bible actually says while also getting part of it right. Do they teach Hegelian dialectics in seminary? Must have been sponsored by Rockefeller Foundation or freemason religion funders, the Pew family (founders of Christianity Today). You can call me, Rob, or email me sojourner at disciples dot com.

[@6969smurfy]

Yes Rob you should watch it. It's a good one. Shalom Rob

[@alexblack6634]

Hi Rob. A few points on this video. 1) At around 16 min, you talk about "old covenant rituals" that are not for Christians today. So adultery is ok today. 2) Around 17:30, Paul and the apostles kept the law and followed Jesus, did their attention also shift Jesus to Moses. 3) Do you keep the kosher laws of Moses repeated in Acts 15v20?

[@salpezzino7803]

@@dispensationofgod BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[@John3.36]

David Wilber is in deep, so sad. He starts with an idea and attempts to justify it, rather than reading the context. This is common with all false teachings.

[@rayray4192]

Wilbur sounds like Mickey Mouse; and little boys masquerading as men wear caps indoors. Obviously never served in any branch of military.

[@dandeliontea7]

Actually David is the one reading the context, much better than Rob is. Robs entire channel is just a cope because his dogma is being challenged by better exegesis.

[@John3.36]

@@dandeliontea7 Not in this case or any case.

[@leonardhunt7241]

@@dandeliontea7neither David nor Rob begin with Jesus saying 1st the first schoolmaster, the Ten Commandments, were until Luke 16:16, prophesied until, John the Baptist, 2nd the New Testament schoolmaster, God’s kingdom of heaven laws are summarized similar to the kingdom of Israel’s laws were. * The kingdom of Israel’s law was summarized as Hear O Israel the Lord our God is one 1️⃣ Lord Deuteronomy 6:4 and You shall Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength Deuteronomy 6:5, and the second summary is similar Love your neighbor as yourself Leviticus 19:18 of the Torah. * 2nd The kingdom of heaven ( kingdom of God) Law established only the second summary of the law thereby taking away the obligations to the first summary of the Law Love God and its subsequent regulations: Have no other gods before Israel’s God, Make no graven images Don’t bow down and serve them Don’t take God’s name unworthily Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy And the regulations which came from them in the Torah. 3rd God’s kingdom of heaven Law, Matthew 19:16-19: our new schoolmaster Galatians 3:25, Love your neighbor as yourself and its regulations that come from the Torah, are defined: Honor your father and your mother Don’t murder Don’t commit adultery Don’t steal Don’t bear false witness, either to others or to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s. Romans 13:9. 4th The Old schoolmaster schooled us in the Ten Commandments and finished its schooling us Galatians 3:24. Our new schoolmaster, the kingdom of heaven ( kingdom of God )’s Law Love your neighbor as yourself used only the portion of the Old Testament schooling that applies to the time of the Gentiles Matthew 21:24, Romans 11:25, until Jesus’ millennium rule Revelation 20:1-6, Zechariah chapter 14, keeping the Feast of Festivals, burnt offerings, and sacrifices, ….

[@AE-km1gz]

The Hebrew roots movement is a cult. They take scripture out of context and manipulate people with fear. People in the movement say they find peace in it because they’ve given in to the fear being forced on them and when they comply they don’t fear any longer and then think they’ve found peace. All cults do this. And they also love bomb new members and gaslight the heck out of them when they bring up any questions about inconsistencies of their teachings. It’s such a dangerous “gospel” - a quagmire - for those who have gotten caught in it. These teachers are the wolves that Jesus warned about.

[@FireCreekForge]

WHOA!! Dude just said we should start up sacrifices again if the temple system was restored! We are all prone to deception, it's amazing how the devil can even use God's word to deceive! He tried it with Jesus. Remember, we serve a Person not a paragraph. JESUS is the way, the truth and the LIFE, not Torah.

[@dmoffitt1914]

Because that's what is prophesied for the millennial kingdom as shown in Isaiah 2 $ 56. If the tabernacle/temple is there it reinstates sacrifices per the law. But there would only be burnt sacrifices since by that point we're not sinning. Sacrifices stop with the new heaven and new earth which is after the millennial kingdom.

[@adamguy33]

​@@dmoffitt1914its called having a BBQ in remembrance of what JESUS did. Not actually sacrificing animals for sin . get a clue all these law worshipers miss the point and put themselves under bondage thinking it does something when actually it does nothing and probably just shows a rejection of grace. Basically they have fallen from grace, the futility of trying to be made righrous through the flesh . thats another slap in the face of the messiah . good job

[@dmoffitt1914]

@@adamguy33 first off, the BBQ for Christ... Hilarious! And I'm taking that for the high holy days. Next for you to have a barbecue you have to sacrifice an animal. Next point, when you say you're repenting from sin, what do you think you're repenting from? You're repenting from transgressing the law, (before your retort, sin is biblically defined as transgressing the law). I bet you forgot that Jesus replaced sin sacrifice, there are still burnt, gift,and peace offerings that God says will continue do and have the world bring before God (see Isaiah 54) or be slaughtered by the Messiah. Every time the temple is destroyed we are kept by grace, this is talked about in Ezekiel. The only slap in the face of the Messiah is deliberately sinning or blasphemy against the holy Ghost as described in Hebrews. Why would the devil ask you to do what God commanded. [7] Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. [8] He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge and don't even consider. As Paul said you don't even know what you're doing wrong without the law.

[@adamguy33]

@@dmoffitt1914 the moral law and ceremonial laws are different. Animals will never be sacrificed for sin because JESUS sacrafice was once and for all. People are given a conscience from God so they know what is right and wrong . murder was wrong before the law was given. You can not make yourself rightous otherwise JESUS died in vain. We are uunder the law of Christ now and not the law of Moses. There is a NEW covenant and the old has been dont away with. Those who accept the gospel 1st corinthians 15 1-4 john 3:16 are under grace if there is a temple or not, for we are the temple of God now and worship in spirit and truth. We are made rightous in Christ , for the just shell live by faith. In the Millennium those animals will be sacrificed for a rememberance of what Christ did for us as communion is a rememberance of the new covenant establishment that JESUS instituted . i follow the law of Christ and therefore i keep the moral law.

[@heather602]

The antichrist will start up sacrifices and then at the mid point of the 70th week the antichrist will stop the sacrifices and then sit in the temple and claim to be god. These are abominations obviously. But after the tribulation, at the end of the 70th week, Jesus returns to gather his elect at the rapture and destroy his enemies that have gathered around Jerusalem to fight it. After this, the millennium begins with Christ on the throne ruling from Jerusalem. Old testament prophecies show that sacrifices will resume during this time, but it will likely be to point back to Christ's sacrifice as a reminder that His sacrifice alone is perfect. The jews who repent at Christ's return will likely not receive new bodies but instead will enter the Millennium in their original bodies in order to be fruitful and multiply in the earth. This is probably why Isaiah speaks of the days of his people being like a tree. They will live long lives because satan will be bound during this time, yet there will still be death (death won't be thrown in the lake of fire until after the second resurrection)

[@pben004]

It's clear that David hasn't actually watched your videos. If he had, he would know that you don't belittle the Tanakh. I used to be "Torah observant" and your videos have been a huge source of encouragement to me.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you for sharing that! God is good. Blessings, Rob

[@jeramilltua-requena1497]

God bless. I am struggling so hard in my mind between both of these sides.. I feel so disturbed and confused. Praying God will give me the correct understanding..

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Yes! Ask God in prayer to guide you to the truth and read the Bible for yourself. Especially the Gospels and the words of Jesus. This time is difficult, but it is a very important part of your faith walk. The Bible says: “Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.” ‭‭James‬ ‭1‬:‭2‬-‭5‬ Blessings, Rob

[@Asaph1978-z]

@@jeramilltua-requena1497 Greetings, seek God, but it’s not hard keeping the Law. Read Psamls 119. Its talks about how wonderful the law is.

[@walkinginthegodgiven-jerem5502]

David responds. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKCagpR_j9p6kMksi=_3FojWAkN5ctm0D_

[@RiseUpUNAFRAID4614]

It's faith in Jesus alone + NOTHING = SALVATION‼️ Thank you Jesus 😊

[@6969smurfy]

Correct. Buttt... you might... kind ah... Maybe... ah... should....look into what "Faith" actualy entails .. JM2C: I don't think it's a get out of jail, empty blanket statement... I think there's a Family Adobtion, some grafting into thing going on, that to be concidered one of .. "HIS PEOPLES" yea that's the very definition of YAHisrael ie Israel... just kinda sayin..be a lost sheep you might want to look into that... Shabbat Shalom

[@tincantu1244]

David Wilbur, and many others agree we are first saved by grace through faith. Just in case you misrepresent his stance.

[@6969smurfy]

@@tincantu1244 yes, "Given Graces" is spelled out for us, Once youve excepted the Son as your Messiah Savior Acts 15, you recieve Grace once you Stop these "Four" abominations to Fathers Word ie TORAH, You Receive Grace to GO and Learn Fathers Will ie Torah form the "Mosses Seat", like it has been done through out Thy Generations. that's meaning being Read "TORAH" From the original Scriptures!

[@KeepingWatch95]

@@tincantu1244 Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, *what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?* Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but *if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.* Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[@rupierichards1809]

Your faith alone "concept" is wrong and is not consistent with the Scripture. The Bible tells us that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ and not of works that anyone should boast. However, the Scriptures give a descriptive view as to the manifestation of that faith: in Hebrews 11 Paul explains what is faith. He also did so in Romans 4:19-22 and 10:13-18. James' statement about faith and works supports what Paul is saying: Belief: We accept something to be true or factual. Faith: We are driven to actualize that truth. Abraham knew Sarah had passed childbearing age. This is coupled with the fact that she was barren. In spite of this, Abraham and Sarah came together to have Issac. Faith in God's Word forced them to have Issac despite their circumstances. The Gospel not only tells of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but it tells, in the form of a directive, how to gain salvation. In a couple of examples, after hearing the Gospel, the New believers usually asked what must they do.

[@timmccreery6597]

The bottom line for me is that, no matter what Hebrew Roots people claim, they CANNOT keep the Law, as Jesus demonstrated in Matthew 5. The Law is our tutor to point us to Jesus, who fully kept all the Law on our behalf. If that was not sufficient then there is no point to any of this.

[@AndreColon]

I am curious about this statement "they CANNOT keep the Law, as Jesus demonstrated in Matthew 5" Can you expound this for me?

[@cedricgaming5106]

​@AndreColon It means that God is Holy. The B attitudes discussed in chapter five of Matthew shows the character and heart of God In which this should show how we fall short Because God would never do any sin not once, so when u read Matthew's 5. IT should send off red flags, I have not done this perfectly thus u falling short deserving HELL, and needing A SAVIOR to fulfill the law including the sacrificial part of the law for ATONEMENT once and for all.

[@elijahirvin5911]

Explain Luke 1-6

[@cedricgaming5106]

@@elijahirvin5911 please clarify is ch1 verse 6 or chapters 1-6 that need explain which subject

[@elijahirvin5911]

@@cedricgaming5106 it says they kept the commends of God

[@aarons1789]

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Ephesians 2:15 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2 Corinthians 3:8 I have no problem whatsoever saying that the Law of Moses is "abolished," "done away with," or "vanishing away." Those are exactly how the Bible describes it.

[@rayray4192]

Difficult to understand how a human capable of critical thinking can read the passage you posted, and still make arguments that new covenant new creations in Christ are under the yoke of bondage of a law never given to them.

[@scotthays9133]

I thought the acorn analogy was powerful and quite thought provoking!

[@rayray4192]

I had never thought of the law in the same way as the Acorn analogy. Oak trees are awesome.

[@6969smurfy]

Yep, he proves GOOD biblical theology of Roots! That's what the Torah is ment for. Shabbat Shalom

[@6969smurfy]

@@rayray4192 yea, GOOD Roots are needed to support the tree, lol that's what the Torah does! SHABBAT SHALOM!

[@rayray4192]

@@6969smurfy The Torah was not written to Christians. I get it- you want to be a Jew. Why not attend synagogue and be done with the charade? The root of Christianity is a tree at Calvary where Jesus hung, cursed, and the savior of all who come to him for rest for their souls.

[@arkayweber534]

God-10 commands = love. Jesus-2 commands = love God/love neighbor. God/Jesus = love. Law fulfilled

[@KeepingWatch95]

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[@JesusPPK]

Are you aware that the 2 commandments given by Jesus on Earth were a summation of the 10 commandments he gave to Moses on Mt Sinai?

[@tedroybal5231]

It's hard to reason with modern day Judaizers. Acts 13, "38 Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39 and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses."

[@JVTRUTH]

I watch another channel here on KZbin called The Ask Project with Corey, they ask various questions to Israelis and Palestinians. Anyhow one episode it was asked what Jews think of Jesus, what he means to rhem and I know all religious Jews don't necessarily believe this but many say that they know Jesus isn't the Messiah because they are still required to keep the commandments, that when Messiah comes that will change and they will no longer be required to keep the commandments. I found that very interesting.🤔

[@dutch1995]

Not really, getting your theology from modern jews is a bigger mistake than it would have been 2,000 years ago to build a theology on that of the pharisees...

[@JVTRUTH]

@dutch1995 I have no idea what your on about, but ok.

[@borrowedtruths6955]

It's actually quite simple. “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.” (Rom. 6:14)

[@rayray4192]

Christianity is simple.

[@borrowedtruths6955]

@@rayray4192 The answer to their question was, the path the Lord places us on is usually not. “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” (2nd Tim. 3:12)

[@brandonbackes930]

To be under the law is to not measure up, it is to be outside of the law. To be in Christ is to fulfill God's teachings and to live out all things that pertain to life and Godliness. What we call the law is just God's teachings on how his children can live a life of Godliness. It is love for God, His family, and His possessions. The problem, is when people try to use the law to disguise themselves outwardly as godly people without being God's children. Or try to use the law as a check list for acquiring or retaining a status as a child of God rather than by accept God's offer and His faithfulness.

[@borrowedtruths6955]

@@brandonbackes930 “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:” (Romans 5:1) Salvation has absolutely nothing to do with the law, whether it be the Mosaic, Levitical, the Ten Commandments or those moral constructs that people place upon themselves. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Eph. 2:8-9)

[@6969smurfy]

@@rayray4192 yes, it requires no structure, just say it and your in.... ?

[@justpassingthrough2195]

As Christians, we are under the Law of The Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. That is not the big 10. David's problem is he is not being led by The Holy Spirit, rather he is being led by his intellect. Until he repents (has a change of mind) from believing the intellect is the voice of God, he will remain in his unbelieving state. "Trying to keep the Old Covenant Law, and follow Jesus at the same time does lead to a double minded pursuit of God. It shifts our attention away from Jesus and toward Moses." I would argue, it shifts our attention away from Jesus and toward the self...self-righteousness...something one has to earn. Self-righteousness, it has been said, is the mother of all sins.

[@anonymom_]

I can't speak for David, but you described what was certainly true for me while in the HRM.

[@dutch1995]

Self righteousness is following commands and traditions of men over God's Law. Following the commands is how we walk as he walked. He folowed the Law perfectly and is called MANY times our example. What do you do with an example? Follow it or reject it?

[@justpassingthrough2195]

@@dutch1995 Self righteousness is believing you have to earn your way to holiness. Jesus is our holiness. Yes he fulfilled all the commandments. In the New Covenant, all the big 10 are incorporated in two of Jesus commands, Love God, and Love your neighbor. In addition to that, if you read the New Covenant carefully, you will find there are more commands to us directly from Jesus Like, Go into all the world and make disciples of all nations. That is one of the commands to us from Jesus Christ...and there are more.

[@MrGaines]

Thank you, So much for these studys. I in my personal walk deal with a lot of people who are under the torah and these rebutals help me so much in learning how to conversate and speak with them. Great Job all glory to God. I also notice a lot of the hebrew roots instructors hardly quote much scripture in the new covenant. After watching the last debate between yall, You quoted mostly scripture and majority of your points were scripture. A lot of his points was based upon what other scholars said.

[@MrGaines]

@@ce3417 agreed, I was in it so I know fully. There were months that New Testament scriptures wasn’t even quoted.

[@rayray4192]

@@MrGaines very interesting. I think it’s all about ego. Hebrew roots freaks want to feel special and possess special knowledge. It’s gnostic mentality. Do you agree?

[@gkeith64]

Mark 7:7-9 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for DOCTRINES the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. “For laying aside the {Asareth Ya'dibrot🟦🟦}, COMMANDMENTS of YaHU'aH AllahAYnu, ye hold the TRADITION OF MEN, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.” 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye REJECT the COMMANDMENTS of YaHU'aH, that YE MAY KEEP YOUR OWN TRADITION Asareth Ya'∆ibrot 🟦🟦 1st Thou shalt have no other before me.” sayeth YaHU'aH🔯 2nd Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.”.. Ya∆ah the living 🌊Water🔯Lilly🌹 3rd Thou shalt not take the NAME of YaHU'aH🔯 thy AllahAYnu in vain.” ... 4th Remember the shABBAth ∆aY, to keep it Qodesh.” Qe∆em Yam LV💜R YHO'A 🔯🌙 ✨ 🌅 5th Honour thy father and thy mother.” ... Thou shalt not kill.” ... 6th Thou shalt not commit adultery.” ... 7th Thou shalt not steal", 8th Thou shalt not bear false witness 9th against thy neighbour Thou shalt not covet. 10th MaYa'T 🟩🟩🟩

[@glenmorse9533]

Thank you, the book of Romans led me out of Hebrew Roots. It took a while to sink in, I had to read it over, and over again for myself, The Holy Spirit I believe helped me.

[@dutch1995]

How is Romans antinomian? 😂

[@lawsonpridgen7968]

Definitely True. I think David is not remembering what we know what was said Jesus we are not to put new wine in old wine skin's. The ways he has brought fourth to the world are new and will not fit in old containers.

[@joshuamelton9148]

Very informative video. I just finished reading a position paper from the International Alliance of Messianic Congregations and Synagogues (IAMCS) Steering Committee entitled "One Law, Two Sticks: A Critical Look at the Hebrew Roots Movement" It is a very fascinating read that breaks down the history of the Hebrew roots movement in which has its genesis with the Millerites of the 1840s. Here is some brief excerpts. Hebrew Roots teaching suggests that the only hope for the Gentile believer is to get out of the church, and start keeping the Sabbath, the Levitical feasts, and eating kosher along with other Sabbaterean Hebrew Roots “believers.” This kind of legalistic message is necessarily connected to a mistaken belief about the identity of Israel. It presumes that the Jews are either not descendants of Israel at all, or that Jews are a people who constitute just one tribe among Israel. In either case, therefore, the only way we can know if a person is Israel or not, is if they are keeping the Torah. Hence, by keeping the law, a person proves that they are Israel. This is the Hebrew Roots premise. The next line in the paper really it home "From the Hebrew Roots perspective, God is presented not as a loving and forgiving God who gave His only Son to die for the sins of all people. But rather, an intolerant God, who rejects all Gentile cultures, and only loves His own Hebraic culture. As if there is no way that a person can be in good standing with God as a Gentile. As if a Gentile must become culturally Jewish in order to come into the fullness of a healthy relationship with God. The Hebrew Roots message to the Gentiles is that the reason Messiah died on the tree was not to deliver the Gentile from sin, but to deliver the Gentile from being a Gentile. As if being a Gentile would somehow be unacceptable to God. The gospel message therefore, for the Hebrew Roots enthusiast, is that God has sent His son into the world in order to conform people to the image of a Jew. After all, Yeshua is Jewish, so all people must be like Him - not just in character, but in culture. He won’t have it any other way, or so they say in Hebrew Roots. In our view, this is entirely wrong. It is the very antithesis of the gospel. "

[@Gigi2four]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Yes! I'm familiar with that paper, Joshua. It is a fascinating read. Rob

[@rayray4192]

Wow, Miller really screwed up. He was a false prophet and a criminal who profited from his lies. Thanks for the info.

[@rayray4192]

Big thumbs up. What a treasure this channel is. Is this a fair statement? “ You must become Jewish to become a Christian.” - Hebrew Roots heretic.

[@rayray4192]

What are the “ two sticks?”

[@Esco-ef4ji]

David Wilber is not the person for this "debate". He needs to sit down.

[@donthephoneman7084]

Rob, I have listened to some of your videos, and I totally agree with you. Thank you for making your videos and standing up for the truth. Your also are very humble and respectful with your opposition.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you, Don! Blessings, Rob

[@musicinspire1745]

What I find interesting is that NONE of the Torah-requirement people I have ever met are farmers! None! When we read the commands concerning farming, no farmer these days could survive financially but following the commands for the ancient farmers of Israel because the promises made to ancient Israel were coupled with promises for prospering them for their obedience...promises that are nowhere evidenced as applying to Gentiles nor the surrounding nations around ancient Israel. Our family farm would never have survived the decades of our farming had we followed the ancient Mosaic Law! Those promises are not for us today, which also means the commands are not for us today! We are called to be a peculiar people not on the basis of the Mosaic Law, but on the basis of our identity with Christ Jesus.

[@dutch1995]

Sounds like you read a different Law than I did in regards to farming. Which Laws were such huge detriments?

[@2HungerandThirst]

I was working on a review of his book on the sabbath…he’s a good dude and I like him but his studies and theology are flawed. I’ve never heard you say the law is abolished nor have you ever said it’s wholly irrelevant. No true Bible scholar would ever say anything like that. Most Torahists make this claim when we debate them

[@rayray4192]

Wilbur is dazed and confused. Paul was acting as an evangelist in the temple.

[@TheRevelationDeception]

Torahists can never answer how it is that Paul said he was both "not myself under the law" IC9.20 while at the same time stating "not being without the law of God in the law of Christ" 1C9.21. The "law of faithing" R3.27 was not out of Moses G3.11-12. The "law of the FLESHY-inner aim" H7.14 wars against "the law of the SPIRIT" R8.2. But whenever you make these points, they always nullify Paul's epistles as well as the book of Hebrews. Then you point out how Peter endorsed Paul's "wisdom" 2P3.15, but they change the subject. I mean, do they just negate ALL of the "new covenant" prophets? It seems so confirming 2 Timothy 4.3 😥

[@OneSparrow-76]

32:39 The temple was destroyed in the Old Testament, because the people disobeyed God….Why would he then destroy a temple if the new covenant people were trying to obey him? Why would Jesus have foretold the happening?

[@dmoffitt1914]

Adding to JustMe-76 point it also said that the nations would come to bring sacrifice to God in the millennial kingdom Isaiah 2:3, 56:7 After the millennial kingdom with the new heaven and new earth is where when Jesus and God are the temple. Revelation 21

[@ashersian2563]

No biblical support for sunday worship Acts 20:7 Verse: "On the first day of the week, we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight." 1. Timing: According to Jewish reckoning, a day begins at sunset. Thus, the "first day of the week" (Sunday) would begin at sunset on what we consider Saturday night. The gathering in Acts 20:7 occurred on Saturday night, a continuation of the Sabbath worship that day. 2. Breaking Bread: The phrase "to break bread" can refer to a regular meal. In Acts 2:42, it is noted that the early Christians "devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer," suggesting that breaking bread was a daily practice, not confined to a specific day of the week, and not exclusive to a sacred day of worship. 3. Context: This verse describes a specific event where Paul and the disciples gathered on the first day of the week to break bread and Paul preached. The context shows this as a narrative description of a one-time event rather than an establishment of a regular practice or commandment, undermining or replacing the Sabbath worship found in the Decalogue. 4. First Day of the Week: While it mentions the first day of the week (Sunday), the emphasis seems more on Paul's departure and his long sermon rather than instituting a new worship practice. The meeting may have been more practical due to Paul’s travel plans rather than a doctrinal statement about worship. In fact, Paul traveled the next morning (sunday), further proving that Sunday is an ordinary day. 1 Corinthians 16:2 Verse: "On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made." 1. Context: Paul is instructing the Corinthians to set aside money for the collection for the saints (no indication as tithe). This practice of setting aside money on the first day of the week was more about logistical convenience for collecting funds rather than establishing a worship day. 2. Private Action: The instruction is for individuals to set aside money privately ("each one of you"), not necessarily implying a communal gathering for worship, but rather a common earning or working day. It is an organizational matter, ensuring the fund is ready when Paul arrives. 3. No Mention of Worship: The verse does not mention worship, prayer, breaking bread, or any other elements typically associated with a worship service. It focuses solely on preparing a financial collection. Summary Acts 20:7 describes a gathering on what would be Saturday night, and breaking bread was a daily practice for early Christians (Acts 2:42), not confined to a specific day. Both Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 describe practices occurring on the first day of the week but do not explicitly prescribe Sunday as a day of worship. Acts 20:7 is a narrative of a particular event, while 1 Corinthians 16:2 is an instruction for financial preparation. Neither verse directly commands or establishes Sunday as the new Sabbath or a regular day for Christian worship services.

[@gibgibGG]

You always present your position with integrity, humility and scripturally based knowledge, which in my mind equals the power of the spirit to reach people with truth. As always, well done. Loved the acorn analogy. ✝

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you, GG! Blessings, Rob

[@kellydorney3514]

Yes , you do an amazing job of being gracious and kind. I, on the other hand, am so finished with the lies and twisting of scripture. Not to mention the path of heart ache and destruction that has devastated families and relationships. There is a different spirit at work in this movement, and it's not of the Lord.😢

[@kimartist]

​​@@kellydorney3514 Yes, they teach a different gospel, which is no gospel at all & which in fact Paul called perverted (Galatians 1 : 6-7) 😢

[@kimartist]

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a DIFFERENT SPIRIT from the Spirit you received, or a DIFFERENT GOSPEL from the one you accepted, YOU PUT UP WITH IT EASILY enough." ~ 2 Corinthians 11 : 4

[@kimartist]

Different Jesus Different Spirit Different Gospel "Easily" 👀 🙄🙄🙄 😭😭😭

[@heather602]

Well done, Rob. Biblically grounded in all points. Praise the Lord 🙌🙌

[@rayray4192]

Really is a fantastic teaching, and easy to follow and understand, and he pointed out things I never thought of, and things I’ve never heard anyone touch on.

[@rayray4192]

The acorn into the oak tree is a simple analogy at the same time being profound.

[@kingPerry34]

@heather602 you said well done Rob, biblically grounded in all points. If so why won’t Rob answer my question: what is the Law of Moses and is the Ten Commandments the law of Moses?

[@kingPerry34]

@sonia____02Moses didn’t write the Ten Commandments, this is what Moses said Deuteronomy 4:1,2 11-13 and 5:22-28 and you will see the Ten Commandments is not the Law of Moses To take what belongs to God and give to another, is a lie and you are saying Moses is the authoritative one

[@6969smurfy]

He grounded them alright, but I thought the goal was heaven??? 😛🤪😜 Sorry couldn't resist....

[@xFermin13]

To to understand, the law of christ is different from the law God give to moses..?

[@kellydorney3514]

👍

[@6969smurfy]

Yes, YAHshu aka Jesus showed us how to apply Torah correctly. For 100% of YAHshuas Teachings was Torah. That is why Messiah is reffered to as the walking talking Torah. Shabbat Shalom

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

That is correct, xFermin. Blessings, Rob

[@salpezzino7803]

@@6969smurfy You are a Liar and All Liars tossed into the Lake of Fire. This is a total LIE, all of it "Yes, YAHshu aka Jesus showed us how to apply Torah correctly. For 100% of YAHshuas Teachings was Torah. That is why Messiah is reffered to as the walking talking Torah" Too Funny how ignorant those in your Cult are. Just think about it, you are claiming that Jesus shed His Blood, died a murderous Death on the Cross to 'show us how to apply Torah' have you been Drinking? You spit on the Cross of Jesus Christ - Fear Him

[@gloriarivera7435]

I'm 88 and have learned so much from Solberg thank you so much

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Bless you, Gloria! Rob

[@thecure728]

Of course we believe you're saved by grace through faith, but one only needs to study the word behind faith/belief, and yes they are the same exact word. Belief and faith, is taking what you belive in your head with your thoughts, and applying faithfully to your life and walking avoiding to what the subject teaches

[@sarelvanloggerenberg2307]

There is a lot to say about this topic and I find that even those who say that we are no longer under the law but under grace don't understand. Romans 8 says the law of the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. These verses is the key to the whole debate because it is no more about keeping any laws or rules but about a life. It is when we come in a life with Christ that the requirements of the law will be fulfilled in us. It is no longer about the outward but the inward where only you and God sees. This is why Paul speaks of the fruit. We must come in to a life where we are led by the Spirit. ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:28‭-‬29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ [28] For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; [29] but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

[@rayray4192]

You are gnostic with special knowledge us ignorant simpletons don’t posses. Your huge ego is your downfall. You are not in Christ. There’s no salvation in Moses

[@rayray4192]

I sent you a reply meant for someone else. His Hebrew Roots heretic comment starts with “ there is so much here.” My apologies.

[@TheRevelationDeception]

Exactly and "the law of faithing" R3.27-28 was not out of Moses G3.12. The ten commandments were established on the basis of a covenant Ex34.28 which came AFTER four hundred thirty years" when YHWH made a covenant with Abraham piror, on account of his FAITH Gn15.18; Gal3.17). The covenant of law in stony tablets was on account of their failing to faith! So simply, it's a matter of two covenants which the seed of promise through Abraham being Christ, was fulfilled when Christ came according to the flesh then awakened in SPIRIT making the "preceding covenant" near it's disappearance H8.7,13. But when you try to explain all this to Torahists, they nullify Paul's writings AND the book of Hebrews for that matter, which Hebrews doesn't even bear the name of its author and for good reason, because there will come a day, when they will be shamed and then seek the wisdom in that epistle as "reading ones" M24.15.

[@titosantiago3694]

Thank you Dr. Solberg! The prices on livestock are untenable these days so it's good to know that animal sacrifices are insufficient, but Christ the sacrifice Lamb is ALL SUFFICIENT as described in Hebrews 10.

[@beckyfrechette4439]

He’s being manipulative, its no wonder he joined 119 Ministries, who are dripping with manipulation themselves. I say this as someone who was once a supporter of all these popular teachers.

[@MarcelleSmit]

Thank you for all your videos! You have helped me have an answer to my Torah keeping family who started out with the Spirit but are now trying to finish God's work with the flesh. Bless you! All the way from South Africa🫶🏻

[@CupOJoeOuttaIdaho]

You and Gary Demar could have some amazing conversations sir!!

[@markklecka1823]

Brother Solberg, something dawned on me today. My understanding is that all the Torah sacrifices were for unintentional sin. Therefore "what the law was powerlessness to do" was to address intentional sin. Yeshua's sacrifice covers all sin. Hallelujah! The law being a totor makes more sense to me in this context. The amazing good news is that we all stand guilty of intentional sin and have "uncircumcised hearts." Yes, the amazing good news is in the new covenant , that we are new creations, forgiven , cleansed, and under the blood of the perfect, unblemished Yeshua. Your thoughts?

[@timmccreery6597]

Andy Stanley is a poor representative for the "opposition to Hebraic Roots" position.

[@CSherf1980]

Good, now I don't have to make that comment, I was going through each response to see if anyone else had this stated!!

[@Marwil23]

6:50 time stamp ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17‭-‬18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ [17] “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. [18] For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. A acorn being planted will not come to a end only if the tree will not bear fruit will it come to a end. That trees whole purpose it to make acorns. 8:18 time stamp ‭‭John‬ ‭8:28‭-‬29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ [28] Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things. [29] And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him.” I understand this as what will be pleasing to the Father will to do the things Jesus did. Even if only in the shadow of Jesus with the helpper The Holy Spirit. 10:30 time stamp Deuteronomy 14:21 How do you see yourself in Gods family are you a part of it maybe even his son do you call God your Father in heaven? Can people be grafted into Gods people? What translation are you using I find the word sojouner replaced with alien in nkjv. Thanks

[@cobyhelton9246]

Good video. We are justified by faith alone. Yes we desire/strive to obey the required eternal moral laws of God out of Thanksgiving for what Christ did for us but obedience to the law/works have zero to do with salvation or proof of salvation. Thanks for the video.

[@dmoffitt1914]

Jesus, Paul, John and James disagree with that. Because faith is what makes you do just things which to then be justified. Thus the point of repentance. Paul: Romans 2:13 James: James 2:26 Christ: Matthew 15:8 John: 1 John 2:4

[@bugsocsollie1694]

​@dmoffitt1914 Paul does not teach that we are under the law. He teaches that we are under Grace and not under the law. He teaches that the justified shall live by faith. He teaches that we are delivered from the law, specifically from the 10 Commandments. Romans 7:6-7 He teaches that NOW, the righteousness of God is manifested without the law, the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ UNTO ALL THAT BELIEVE. Jesus, Peter, James, John, Hebrews, Revelation... were not talking to the Body of Christ Church. They were talking to Israel. Jesus sent Paul to talk to us. It's two different Gospels for two different churches for two completely different purposes. This is what right division is all about.

[@dmoffitt1914]

@@bugsocsollie1694 so is Paul teaching a different message, from the rest of the author. Because there has always been Grace, especially when the temple was destroyed. I don't think so and head of the church James as recorded in acts acts also made sure that this wasn't the message being taught.

[@dmoffitt1914]

@@bugsocsollie1694 One moment while I give a better response due to seeing the rest of your comment

[@dmoffitt1914]

@bugsocsollie1694 Israel is the church, you see Paul's letters phrases like "Our fathers who passed through the sea" in 1 Corinthians, saints who made a covenant at the Mount" in 2nd Corinthians. "Redeem then Uber the curse..." in Galatians,"the blessing, promises and covenants pertaining to Israel", in Romans Now to your Romans the point Paul is talking about sacrifice vs grace and we can tell because he makes sure to clarify at the end of the paragraph you posted ‭Romans‬ ‭3:31‬ [31] Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. You answered my question about "another messages" which I originally missed and that is the part you are going to have to convince/justify since as Peter said ‭II Peter‬ ‭1:19‭-‬20‬ [19] And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; [20] knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, And as Paul said ‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4‭-‬6‬ ‭NKJV‬ [4] There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; [5] one Lord, one faith, one baptism; [6] one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. By implication you're saying there is a different faith, and thus a different god, I understand you may say, "No a different people", but then that further would point that then those who are reading are not under the new covenant, which would be texturally correct but for another argument.

[@Jdavid7771]

In regards to issue #1: The Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) was never for taking away the sins of Israel. The function of Yom Kippur is to cleanse the Sanctuary from the sins of the people (Lev. 16:20). Why? Because the sins of Israel is what drives away the presence of the God. Sin and death are not to be in the presence of God. In Jacob Milgrom's book on Leviticus, he does a good job of explaining how the functions of some of these offerings that dealt with sin. Their main function is to cleanse the Sanctuary of sin in order to keep the presence of God amongst the people. And you brought up a good point, why then do we need Jesus? Numbers 15:30, God says that those who commit willful sin, rebellious sin, they are cut-off from the people, essentially dead. What type of sin did Adam and Eve do? Rebellious sin. Their sin is what brought death into the world, and according to the Torah, that sin has no offering that can atone for that. That's what Hebrews is talking about when it says that year after year the High Priest does the atonement for the people on Yom Kippur, but they still die. And that's where Jesus comes in. In order for us to have Salvation, i.e., eternal life, Jesus paid the price for humanity's sin. Now God can restore the original plan he had in Genesis, to dwell among us like he did with Adam in the Garden. And we see that in Revelation 22, where many understand is a restoration of Eden. If you don't have a good understanding of the Temple, why God wanted in the first place, and what is the function of it, you're going to lose a lot of key information and understanding the Bible.

[@jessiebass8670]

You guys need to have another debate. It seems like there is a lot of goal post shifting.

[@salpezzino7803]

why? David is under the Power of the Evil One. It is the Power of the Gospel that is needed. David is damned.

[@justindarnellfpv]

This David guy is going to stand before God Almighty one day, and that terrifies me

[@salpezzino7803]

I have warned him exactly that.

[@leonaperdue8784]

Great analogy re acorn and tree 🙂

[@6969smurfy]

Yep, Torah is the good Roots needed to grow into the TREE of Life. Oh wait... you didn't mean it that way did you, sorry... Shabbat Shalom

[@anthonypalelei8559]

That is why Jesus said in John 5:39-47, you search the laws and prophets to get life, but you don't come to me that I give life.

[@thecure728]

It's funny that the whole trinity vibe goes out the window when you need something to fit. Listen to MY commandments, as if you teach that he isn't YHWH himself.

[@thecure728]

Nope. Whenever he says, you've heard it said, he's talking about the oral law which is not biblical but man made traditions. When he says, it is written, that is scripture mb

[@woodflowerman]

27 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart….pretty sure that’s from the Yahweh and not man made traditions.

[@woodflowerman]

21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.' 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire…..yeah this man made traditions 😂😂😂

[@whatistruth2810]

What a great explanation of the Torah and how it applies to Christians. It is sad to see people in the modern church still fall prey to the same errors that existed in the first century church.

[@pierreferguson5257]

I commented on David Wilbers rebuttle video to this one and when David wants to whitwash his error he simply deletes or hides some of your comments from his videos. Nothing new, same old David Wilber from Passion For Truth Ministries and the Hebrew Roots Movement. Oy!

[@salpezzino7803]

David is a snake, Ask him to give you one scripture where anyone instructs the Church to keep the law of Moses. The guy works for 119, known Satan worshipers and Charlatans

[@monkkeygawd]

Hello, Sir.... I'm not a Christian (Im an Advaita Vedantin, nondual Hindu), but even though my capacity to believe in Jesus being the Savior of humanity is precisely zero %, it is information such as presented in this video that further ices that cake of my disbelief. Even though I find you very sincere, thoughtful and intelligent, the very fact that the Bible can be interpreted SO EASILY in SO MANY DIFFERING WAYS with actual verses to back-up many of the divergent views and claims, is enough to drive one crazy, if pursued earnestly. Again, I'm not a believer, but do enjoy comparative religions. It would literally be IMPOSSIBLE for me personally to ever "believe in Christ" because of a wholly incompatable worldview/take on reality and the meaning/purpose of existence itself. So, if your religion/God were true, then I was created to go to hell. I do not have the ability to believe/trust in the Jesus character (nor Yaweh). In addition to my vastly different view of reality, my further inability to believe is due to innumerable verses of the Bible that are full of supposed facts that would force a believer to suspend reality/common sense in order to believe, along with great atrocities such as chattel slavery sanctioned by Yaweh, and the needlessness of Yaweh becoming man in order to sacrifIce himself to himself (for merely a long weekend; no permanent sacrifice) so he could finally tolerate his creation again once and for all, but... ONLY if we confess belief in Jesus based upon an incongruent, wildly erratic collection of books (the Bible) (even containing known forgeries!), which can be easily interpreted in a myriad of dramatically varying ways. Ugh! The Bible is a mess. Why would a loving God leave us with such a literary nightmare of inconsistencies that could sincerely be interpreted SO MANY VARYING WAYS??? My very sincere, well researched objections against the validity of Christianity presented here are merely the tip of the reasonable doubt iceberg.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you sir! You said, "The very fact that the Bible can be interpreted SO EASILY in SO MANY DIFFERING WAYS with actual verses to back-up many of the divergent views and claims, is enough to drive one crazy, if pursued earnestly." I hear what you're saying. But if you think your Prasthanatrayi are any more articulate or concrete, I would respectfully suggest your bias is showing! P.S. My religion doesn't teach that you were created to go to hell. It teaches you were created in God image (Gen. 1:27), and you have sinned (Rom. 3:23), and God loved you so much that He sent His son to save you from your sin (John 3:16). "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). Blessings, Rob

[@monkkeygawd]

@TheBiblicalRoots yes! You are ABSOLUTELY correct! And, that is the beauty of a living breathing philosophy -vs- a religion. The many Upanishads are often at odds with each other, the Bhagavad Gita is not 100% internally consistent and the Bhama Sutras (the 3rd Advaita Vedantin source) is a complicated read sure to give its reader a headache. But.... the beauty of Advaita Vedanta is that all "sources" are merely pointers to the truth and do not need to be 100% true or historically accurate themselves. For example, I do not believe Krishna, Shiva, etc, to be actual historical figures, but literary pointers to a deeper truth(s) of reality (nondualism). Some Hindus read the same texts and find themselves believing in alternate views to that of Advaita Vedanta's, such as the Hare Krishnas who VERY MUCH believe Krishna was a historical figure. That doesn't bother me nor affect my philosophy in any way, shape, or form. Proving each text/championing my take on vedanta means nothing to me. The Vedantic texts are merely street signs on the highway to self-discovery. In fact, my favorite and personally most inspiring text to read is a much later text called the Ashtavakra Gita. Christianity, however, is typically NOT to be interpreted as metaphorical or as merely pointing to a deeper meaning.... in Christianity, Yaweh/Jesus MUST be precisely who/as the Bible reports.... the gospels MUST be, for the most part, truly accurate. The death/resurrection of Jesus MUST be historical fact (and not allegory for one making changes in their heart, for example). Therefore, people, various denominations, etc, argue and disagree because the Bible is NOT infallible (which is blatently obvious to any open-minded thinker outside the faith) and is up for infinite interpretations. No two people would ever read the Bible cover to cover and step away with the exact same interpretation. This need for the Bible to be "true" causes great insecurity in many Christians, to the point they will suspend reason and common sense in order to maintain their faith. Some great thinkers, such as Meister Eckhart, for example, were able to read Christianity in a more mystical sense and not quite as literally. Same as the poet Rumi was able to do with his Islamic faith. Ok, I'm rambling. Good luck to you and your journey, and I wish you the best. I hope you and your youtube followers will always keep your minds and hearts open to where truth and reality lead, not just where you need it to lead in order to maintain a comfortable faith. Reality is beautiful. Mystery/the unknown is also ok and very exciting and beautiful. Hari Om.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@monkkeygawd Exactly! That's the same reason I don't like religion. Following Jesus means being in a relationship with the Living God. It's not about trying to please some distant deity through rituals and performance, it's about seeking the heart and guidance of our perfect, loving Father. And the more I dig into the Scriptures, the more profound they become to me. They are packed full of metaphorical meaning, archetypes, and ancient wisdom. Not nearly as black-and-white as many fundamentalists would have you believe. At the same time, unlike Advaita Vedanta, Christianity is firmly grounded in the reality of human history. For me, the fact that Christianity is falsifiable gives it incredible weight and significance. As spiritual as life, love and beauty are, we humans are _also_ physical beings who live in a physical, concrete world. I find belief systems that are detached from that aspect of reality inadequate and wanting. On top of that, I find the idea that all things are an emanation of Brahman untenable because it ultimately denies all distinction between good and evil, holy and profane, special and common, creator and created, wise and foolish. And it further robs suffering of all meaning. None of these things accord with the reality you and I live in. Okay, I'll stop rambling now! Forgive me. Bless you on your journey, my friend. May it ultimately bring you to the Truth. Rob

[@monkkeygawd]

@TheBiblicalRoots yes, and I am drawn to Advaita Vedanta for all the reasons you felt repelled. lol funny how that works. All humans are different. According to Advaita, the Universe is simply Brahman unfolding a dream; no such thing as concrete matter/physical reality. No such thing as individual souls. No free will. No good. No evil. No redemption. No punishment. Simply the beauty of being. "We" are all God wearing masks playing out a collective dream. So, we are literally the divine and eternal because ONLY Consciousness/God exists. Fun stuff 😉 Thank you for engaging and sharing, I sincerely appreciate you.

[@FilipinoInAustralia]

Please where almost in the new year 2024.. & we don’t want to struggle with heaps of Old Testament laws.. Simple thing like just today I’ve been judgemental to a person I didn’t even know personally.. You see as simple as that & still I couldn’t avoid to sin.. how much more this David guy wants us to religiously follow the old laws😭 I’m thanking our Almighty GOD for HIS goodness of sending HIS SON to save our sins.. I talked to GOD I’m not perfect.. even until my last breath or even until JESUS CHRIST Second Coming.. but I will try my best to love GOD with all my heart & soul.. and will also try to love people/neighbours💕💞💕

[@RONALD-ej8cj]

Jesus said he didnt come to do away with the Law, but He came to fullfill the Law by writing Gods will on the hearts of those that are in Christ.

[@marinad3854]

God has given you an anointing to teach accurately. Thank you for your ministry.

[@FaithandFoodSecrets]

Acts chapter 15 the Apostle's and Elders made the decision for the Church that the gentiles did not have to follow the Law or circumcision. They made a decree and sent it out to the Churches to follow. Peter even called the Law a yoke that did not belong on them . He also said they nor their fathers were able to bear it . Read v24 tells it plain that the Apostle's gave no commandment to be circumcised or keep the law. In Gal 5:1 Paul states for them not to be entangled with the yoke of bondage, the Law ! So over and over they said not to follow circumcision or the law. Period ! Read Gal 4:21-31 WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN, but of the FREE ! Complete separation of the two covenants. HEB 8:6-13 is more proof. Rom 6:14 ye are NOT under the Law ! Rom 7:6. 8 v2 I noticed he jumped to other scripture he likes to point out whenever he doesn't want to answer on a scripture he doesn't like. These law idiots always do that. They are that deceived ! They are teaching contrary to the Grace of Christ. If Grace is not enough, Paul says Christ died in vain. Sin would still have dominion over us . These people are playing the same game the Jews did to the gentiles in Acts 15 and in Galatians. Don't listen to these law keeping devil's that want to put others in their bondage they are in. These deceived law keepers don't follow the Law themselves they say they believe so much in. Here is proof : make them show you proof of them following Deut 26:12-13. Make them bring proof where they followed this command of the law and the fatherless and the widow got their share of the tithe ? These so called law or Torah keepers are nothing but fake and flakey. Gal 5:13 describes them devil's. Nothing but proud hypocrites that don't even follow the Law themselves ! But we all need to pray for them that God straightens their dizzy minds before they miss out on Heaven.

[@salpezzino7803]

and yet they claim 2000 years of Christianity are the fakes, go figure

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

This is unequivocally wrong, as James mentions in Acts 15:21 that the Gentile converts _were instructed from the Law every Sabbath_ . There is no passage in the entire chapter that shows James saying Gentiles didn't have to live by the Law, especially because the prohibitions he mentioned are all in the Law.

[@salpezzino7803]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 that is unequivocally wrong, as James never mentions in Acts 15:21 that the Gentile converts were instructed from the Law every Sabbath, IT JUST DOESN'T SEND ANYONE ANYWHERE. Why didn't James repeat your vomit in Acts 21: 25 But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.” -- Look sending no one anywhere

[@randylundgren8421]

It has always been about faith. If Israel had faith at Sinai and obeyed the commandments they would have received the blessings. As it turned out they did not have faith and suffered the consequences. Faith is BELIEVING God and TRUSTING him. Also we are to love the Lord with all that's within us. If we don't keep his commandments we are saying by our actions that we don't believe him, trust him, or love him. Just my take.

[@AB-ComeLordJesus]

​@@randylundgren8421I don't know exactly what side you are on but I like your approach. The sad thing is here with all the talk of loving God by obeying His commands, I see people in the comments on both sides not loving one another as Christ instructed. He even said love your enemies and die to self (pride) but it's evident how much we are falling short of the command to love one another as Christ commanded!. So where is our boasting??? No one wants to touch Hebrews or deal with the passages about the Judaizers either. May God open our eyes and may we agree in the Spirit on the essential gospel.

[@salpezzino7803]

I have a question for all of you 'Torah Positive'' - God the Holy Spirit has been among us since the day of Pentecost. So, How did Christianity spread around the World for 2000 years all the while Eating Unclean? Also, where did your god go for so long after the Cross???

[@6969smurfy]

First off your God, my YAH gave us "this" spirit you speak of, so this sprit is NOT God, IF you care to Learn about the "Ruach Hakodesh" aka holy spirit you would need to learn some Bassic "old" Hebrew intent of the very Book you are translating from. YAH put it in YOU! so you can't make it a separate entity. It's part of you, know one else to blame kind-of a thing. but Yourself, see? Here's prof in English form wich you read from. ~ ~ Ezekiel 11 19-20 And I will give them one HEART, and a "NEW SPIRIT" "I will put within them." I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "My Statutes" and keep my "Rules" and obey them. And they shall be "MY PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God.

[@6969smurfy]

2nd-ly "I only came for the Lost Sheep" "blessings and curses." When YAH devorced YAHisrael/Isreal he had them Spread around the World correct? Im assumming you know this.. starting some 750 years before YAHshua/Jesus arrived, that "Mixing" was a curse to YAHisael, but it was a blessing YAH father gave to us(Gentiles) For there mixing into World gives us ALL a chance to Join, adopt ,graft into the the Family Structures of YAHisael. As Taught by YAHshua aka jesus.

[@6969smurfy]

Your 2000 years questioned. Where has HE been. You would need to have knowlage understandings of the Feast Days and Times to understand. IF you truly care, watch this "very well" put together Video "Messiah 2030" it's One of the better Ones Iv seen. Shabbat Shalom.

[@salpezzino7803]

@@6969smurfy You are truly NutZ

[@salpezzino7803]

I stopped reading after "First"

[@benblackburn8028]

I can settle this debate when Jesus said to the pharisees that they search the scriptures that would be the old testament that in them you have eternal life but all they do is testify about me. John 5:39

[@salpezzino7803]

Jesus is on every page of the Bible.

[@Oversite869]

Agape - BEING LOVE Fulfills the whole Law of Moses and makes its judgement null as Agape prevents sin from even happening. The original sin was directing judgement (condemning) fellow man before Loving them enough to hold ourselves accountable for sinning. A mistake Adam made which killed both Him and his wife.

[@randylundgren8421]

When my children disobeyed me (did their will instead of mine) they were punished in some way. I took no pleasure in punishing them. So when Jesus said God took no pleasure in sacrifices etc. He was in effect saying I would rather have had you to do my will (follow my commandments). I agree with you that Jesus did away with the sin offerings by becoming the ultimate and final sin offering. If you've had any children you probably had rules for them to follow (your will). If they didn't follow them there were probably consequences. Jesus removed the consequences but still wants us to do his will. As for the Sabbath, I liken it to a child taking a nap. They often don't want to do it, but it's good for them and you. Many things in the Bible have a spiritual and a physical connection. Flesh and spirit, heaven and earth etc. The same is true with Sabbath. The spiritual side you've already covered. The physical side was rest for your body. We do our job then we rest. We don't want to burn ourselves out, we don't want to get cranky etc. Also people like to say everyday is a Sabbath. Spiritually true, physically not so much. If we did that we would be hungry, homeless and no telling what else. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just sharing my point of view. Looking forward to your reply.

[@kiruiandrew1]

On Sacrifices, Yeshua became our altimate sacrifice. Acts 15 does not say Circumcision, Sabbath, Kosher etc have been done away with. This is one of Yeshua's teaching... Matthew 19:16-19 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. IS THERE ANY VERSE WHICH SAY THE LAW IS PERMITED BUT NOT REQUIRED AS YOU KEEP SAYING? PROFESSOR, You keep quoting Deu.14:21 in total assumption of Leviticus 11 Leviticus 11:39-40 And if any beast, of which ye may eat, die; he that toucheth the carcase thereof shall be unclean until the even. And he that eateth of the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: he also that beareth the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.

[@elijahirvin5911]

Keeping the law shows your love for God and your brother

[@theomegawerty9688]

"Therefore cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the children of the bondwoman shall not be heirs with the children of the free"

[@casparjw]

"The children of the bondwoman" are those who reject the Law of Moses and put it away from themselves, choosing instead to invent a righteousness of their own making through teaching that one can violate the Law of Moses and it doesn't matter because "Jesus did it for you". Instead of obeying the royal Law/Law of liberty/Law of Moses, they choose to make up their own laws and community rules ("works of law") and place people in bondage to them. As Paul says, it's not the hearers of the Law who are righteous but the doers of the Law who will be justified before God (Romans 2:13), and again, the one who does them shall love in them (Galatians 3:12).

[@theomegawerty9688]

@casparjw Paul clearly defines who are the children of the bondwoman.

[@brentbeatty4171]

John 4:24, 2 Peter 3 :14-18 Jeremiah 17:9

[@dmoffitt1914]

5:12 Christ also said you are to listen to the Pharisees law teachings but dont follow their hypocrisy actions/works. To show love to god you keep his commandments, which is substantiated by the rich man's question on how to get to the kingdom of heaven

[@salpezzino7803]

this is a law of God - Acts 15:23 with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers[c] who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you[d] with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.” === So if you are pushing the law of Moses on Gentiles or today's Church you are BREAKING HIS COMMANDMENTS - Good Luck with that BLAAAAAH

[@angelav916]

Andy Stanley could hardly be this example of a Christian. Comparing you to Stanley is like comparing apples and beans... Thank you for all of your hard work, brother🙏❣️✝️🕎

[@highlanderthegreat]

jesus said if you love me keep my commands, jesus said that ....thats in the new NT jesus also said in matthew arouund chapter 22 /24 that the whole law is in these 2 commands, 1 ..LOVE THE LORD / GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART ALL YOUR SOUL ALL YOUR MIND and 2... LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, in those 2 commands all the LAW AND PROPHETS AND STATUTES are contained... so the law is still in the NT. that is what jesus said by those 2 commands...also in the first 1 ..that command also takes in the 4th command to keep the sabbath and keep it holy... JM2C.... just my 2 cents..after all what do i know... if it walks liike a duck, quacks like a duck and has a duck bill, must be a duck, right???? the first command takes in the first 4 commands and the 2nd command takes in the last 6 commands......

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hello, Highlander! The "laws" of God that define right and wrong were true long before the Law of Moses was given. So when God commands us not to murder today, it’s not because of the Ten Commandments. It’s because of His universal principle against murder. Long before God gave Israel the Law of Moses, Cain was judged for murdering his brother Abel (Gen 4:8-16). Same thing with adultery. Unfaithfulness and sexual immorality were wrong long before the Law of Moses, as we see, for example, in the story of Joseph fleeing Potiphar’s wife (Gen 39:12-18). The Bible teaches that the Law of Moses was given at a specific time to specific people for a specific purpose. Much of what was given at Mount Sinai included God's universal "laws" about right and wrong and loving God, which were in effect long before the Law was given. But the purpose of the Law of Moses was not to set a new moral standard. It was to turn a ragtag group of recent slaves into the nation of Israel and set them apart for God. And embedded in those Mosaic laws of ceremony, ritual, distinction, and civil order were shadows that pointed to Christ. And it's _those_ laws that have been fulfilled by Christ and are no longer binding under the New Covenant. Blessings, Rob

[@TheRevelationDeception]

12:46 The verb entellomai in M28.19 and noun "entole" found in MANY NT verses is not a "command(ment)" but an "aim-in" or "inner-aim" from the Greek preposition "en" (in) and "telios" a finishing. To translated entellomai or entole as "command(ment)" has the disadvantage in that i's only understood as a "demand" of "obedience" according to the old covenant through Moses. In the new and "better covenant" with the INdwelling spirit, a "command" is now adapted to the new situation because of the fulfillment of the law of the which could never make alivet. Unfortunately, the Greek entellomai and entole have been freely rendered "command(ment)," however the internal instruction contains in in the law of the Spirit of the life in Christ is not a demand but an aim to be reached which is in the abillity of God Himwelf, INdwelling the faithing ones, not a "demand" or "commandment" which the law of Moses did not attain into a completion or finishing of the hallowing required into son-setting.

[@leonardhunt7241]

@TheRevelationDeception 12:46 concerning entellomai used as give orders, meaning reaching the purpose of an order, which order would be read in the previous words ‘Teaching them to obey all things whatsoever I have’ said reaching the purpose of my earlier order ‘teaching them all things’ ?

[@shayla4094]

Very good video! Well explained it❤

[@michaelbrutsche75]

If the Spirit urges one to honor their father and mother, should they tell the Spirit that His best friend Jesus already did it for him ? Should a Christian heed the warning of the Spirit to not commit adultery? Or should he say “ my friend Jesus already refrained from committing adultery for me and therefore I need not resist? Is this the kind of upholding the law that you believe in?

[@leonardhunt7241]

The teacher doesn’t establish: 1: the first schoolmaster Galatians 3:24, the Ten Commandments, were until Luke 16:16, prophesied until Matthew 11:13 , John the Baptist. That is, John the Baptist began the preaching of God’s kingdom of heaven laws; Jesus continued the preaching John had begun Matthew 4:17. Preaching of God’s kingdom of heaven and its laws had not been earlier. 2: During the life of John’s preaching, and including Jesus’s, the establishment of the kingdom’s laws were begun but their enforcement couldn’t begin until the death of its testator for human believers Hebrews 9:16-17 ‘a testament is of force after men are dead’. 3: What Defiles A Man: Old Testament regulations included unclean food and drink and eating with unwashed hands 🙌 along with others Leviticus chapters 5-22. God’s kingdom of heaven laws on What Defiles A Man is: The things that come out of the mouth from an evil heart These Defile A Man, but not outward uncleanliness. Matthew 15:10-20, Mark 7:15-23. 4: The Law of God’s kingdom of heaven is: Love your neighbor as yourself, coming from the Torah’s Exodus 20:12-17, labeled in Leviticus 19:18, the second summary of the old law Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31: Honor your father and your mother Don’t murder Don’t commit adultery Don’t steal Don’t bear false witness 👀 to others or 👀 to yourself Don’t covet anything that is your neighbor’s 👀: Love your neighbor as yourself. Matthew 19:16-19. Because the second summary of the Law of the Ten Commandments is God’s kingdom Law; The obligations which were until John of the first summary of the Ten Commandments Law - have no other gods before Israel’s God; make no graven images; don’t bow down and serve them; don’t take God’s name unworthily; remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy - no longer obligates believers in order to a: have eternal life, b: please Israel’s God, the Father of Jesus; c: be prepared for the millennium rule of Jesus because God Jesus Micah 5:2 then will give new hearts and minds that the former things shall not be remembered nor come to mind Isaiah 65:17, if you would receive it.

[@sarpicerde4284]

Malachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I COMMANDED UNTO HIM in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. (This is interesting right?)

[@MandMe91]

Can I come on and you can debate me about why I keep saying you were never under the law, cursed by the law or redeemed from its curse?

[@Gigi2four]

He has stated that in other videos

[@MandMe91]

@@Gigi2four Wasn't asking you...thanks though!!

[@FreeGraceNotes]

I like this format. Thank you

[@Pavestar1]

What does our Messiah say about people teaching to do even the least of the Commandments?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

He says they will make it to heaven. ;-) RLS

[@Pavestar1]

@@TheBiblicalRoots 😂😂 where does it say that? I’m pretty sure the Bible says heaven is coming to us. 🤔🤔

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

"Whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least *_in the kingdom of heaven"_* (Matt. 5:18) Shalom! Rob @@Pavestar1

[@EM-vb8gx]

Rob, what do we do with what Jesus says in revelation to the churches? “ I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of my God”….sardis was a church known to be alive. Jesus said repent. Repent from what? They were already believers and made righteous before God. I truly want to understand. I’m so confused between your teachings and David’s

[@Hammerofheretics989]

Thanks so much for your work. I agree with most things you teach and am learning from you as well. Can you clear up one thing for me? The one example I have a hard time with is when you say that the food laws were only for the Israelites, but in other contexts we also use the argument that we have been grafted in, and essentially are part of God's people. Now I don't believe in the food laws but I'm just wondering how we can reconcile that.

[@thecure728]

Why doesn't the death of Christ do away with all laws and not just some? Who decided which one stayed and which ones were culled? If his death was to cover all of our sins, and sin was the transgression of torah, how did that torah get squeezed and refined? We don't see a commandment to tithe in the new testament. So why is that one of the laws that is kept now?

[@woodflowerman]

Sin is disobeying Yahweh not just the Torah. Adam sinned by eating a fruit…not disobeying the Torah. Jesus gave us His laws in the new covenant. Just go a read read the New Testament and write them down if you need a list. And tithing isn’t required but some pastors manipulate to get money unfortunately. If you feel you should give by all means give but it’s not required.

[@EricHort-cx1jp]

All Gods people from the inception of sin were " 7th day Adventists" . They all believed in a Messiah to come to pay the price for their sins . They all believed in a coming King and Lord and they believed in the coming of the Recreator who will.make this earth and everything in it new for ever. This is all in the O.T. These people were " better" Christians than are in the world today who do all they can to find excuses NOT to obey God or now has a DIFFERENT law that He changed when He NEVER HAS NOR NEVER WILL Isa 40:8. This law is that which we will all be judged out of by God the righteous Judge. No one can be a Judge or Adcocate if there is no law or it is changing all the time . This law tells us how to treat everyone and love honor and obey God now and for eternity .

[@user-yb9pw7cr8d]

The law of Moises observance and obedience the ten commandment. and the law of traditional law of jews givem by Moises but by lae of grace you save by the mercy and and leve of God through faith alone. Ephesian 2:8,9.

[@simonskinner1450]

David Wilber - the commandments to be kept are in the Torah of Abraham not Moses, who introduced death for sin for those who do not keep the law of Abraham.

[@rupierichards1809]

I think your explanation about the Law is right. However, for context, I would like to add the following: The Old and New Testaments are intertwined into the message of salvation. Each plays a distinct role. God instituted the Old Testament Covenant with the Children of Israel under the period of Adam's sin. The Scriptures state that sin and death reigned from the periods of Adam to Moses. Interestingly, one of the roles of the Old Testament was to give people the opportunity to escape the condemnation of this sin and death by the keeping of the Law to obtain righteousness to which no one could. Therefore, by the Law, the Children of Israel were helplessly trapped under the condemnation of sin and death. The Children of Israel were trapped because of the Law's stipulations: "The soul that sins shall surely die, and sin is the transgression of the Law." God also declares that all have sinned and come shot of His glory. The Children of Israel were in a difficult situation because they were sinners by nature. They could not prevent themselves from breaking God's Law. The New Testament, through Jesus ' blood, is the only means of escape from the Law's wrath. After escaping the Law's wrath through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the power of His salvation, many are still clinging to that old system of sin and death thereby despising Jesus sufferings and death. However, if there was no Law, Jesus would not have died. As a result, there would be no need for salvation.

[@elijahirvin5911]

Explain Luke 1:6 Romans 6:18

[@rupierichards1809]

Luke 1:6 speaks to the period before the New Testament Church Age. Therefore, that kind of righteousness did redeem them from the Law's wrath. Jesus' death redeems us from the Law which is the true righteousness unto salvation. Therefore, Zacharias and his wife were still under sin. Paul explains this mystery: Philippians 3:5-8 states: Concerning zeal, persecuting the church. Touching the righteousness which is in the Law blameless. But what things were gained to me, I counted loss to Christ... Romans 6:18 speaks to them for whom Jesus had died. Because we believe in Jesus Christ, God has remitted our sins. As a result, we have become children of God having been made righteous through Jesus Christ. During the period of the Old Testament, humanity was held captive under sin. Under the New Testament, believers are not only redeemed from sin but are the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ.

[@kimartist]

​@@elijahirvin5911 Re: Luke 1 : 6. They were only "righteous" so long as they made the Mosaic sacrifices for their SINS year after year after year.

[@messengerisrael3817]

@@rupierichards1809 MALACHI 3:6 , " 6.For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. PSALM 111:7-8 , " 7.The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. 8They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness. HEBREWS 12:24 , " 24.And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. JESUS CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE COVENANT ; WHICH IS BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE CHLDREN OF ISRAEL , SO HOW DID THE FATHER'S LAW CHANGE , WHEN THEY STAND FOREVER , AND HE CHANGE NOT ? HEBREWS 13:8 , " 8.Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. JESUS CHRIST CAME TO BRING YOU THE WORDS OF THE FATHER . DEUTERONOMY 18:15-19 , " 15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. JESUS SAID THAT IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE WORDS THAT HE SPEAK , WHICH CAME FROM THE FATHER ; THOSE WORDS WILL JUDGE YOU ON THE LAST DAY . JOHN 12:47-49 , " 47.And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. PEOPLE FORGET THAT THE SACRIFICE LAW OF ATONEMENT FOR TRANSGRESSING THE FATHER'S LAW , COMES THROUGH THE MEDIATORS , UNDER A PRIESTHOOD . HEBREWS 7:11-16 , " 11.If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. THE LAW OF MOSES ( ANIMAL SACRIFICE & OBLATIONS ) CAME UNDER THE MEDIATOR MOSES , THROUGH THE LEVITICUS PRIESTHOOD ; WHICH WAS OF WORKS . THE LAW OF CHRIST ( REPENTING AND BELIEVING THE GOSPEL ; WHICH ARE THE WORDS THAT CHRIST GIVE YOU FROM THE FATHER ) CAME UNDER THE MEDIATOR JESUS CHRIST , THROUGH THE PRIESTHOOD OF MELCHISEDEC ; WHICH IS OF FAITH . THE CHANGE IN WHAT YOU CALL THE OLD COVENANT AND NEW COVENANT , ARE THE LAWS OF ATONEMENT THROUGH THE MEDIATORS , UNDER THE PRIESTHOODS . JESUS LAWS AND THE FATHER'S LAWS ARE THE SAME : HE DID NOT COME TO CHANGE THEM . MATTHEW 5:17-18 , " 17.Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. HAST HEAVEN AND EARTH PASSED ; ARE YOU STILL IN YOUR EARTHLY BODY ; THEN ALL HAST NOT BEEN FULFILLED , SO THE FATHER LAW STAND ? SHALOM !

[@messengerisrael3817]

@@kimartist ACTS 13:38-39 , " 38.Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS , AND OBLATIONS DID NOT MAKE YOU RIGHTEOUS , IT WAS ONLY TO KEEP GOD FROM KILLING YOUR FLESH . TO SERVE THE FATHER , YOU MUST LIVE BY FAITH ; WHICH IS REPENTING OF YOUR SINS WITH A SORROWFUL HEART ( MIND ) THEN BELIEVING THE WORDS OF YOUR MEDIATOR ; WHICH HE RECEIVED FROM THE FATHER ; WHICH ARE HIS WORDS . MOSES AND JESUS CHRIST GAVE THE PEOPLE THE WORDS OF THE FATHER . WHY DO PEOPLE ONLY STATE THAT MOSES GAVE THE PEOPLE THE FATHER'S WORDS , BUT SOMEHOW JESUS DID NOT ? THAT MOSAIC LAW THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IS THE SIN SACRIFICE LAW OF ATONEMENT OF THE FLESH/BODY , NOT THE HEART/SPIRIT , WHEN THE PEOPLE TRANSGRESS THE LAW OF THE FATHER , THAT MOSES GAVE THEM . HEBREWS 10:4-9 , " 4.For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. JESUS CHRIST REPLACE THE MEDIATOR OF WORKS ( MOSES ) , WITH THE MEDIATOR OF FAITH ( HIMSELF ) ; AND TOOK AWAY THE LAW OF ANIMAL SACRIFICE & OBLATIONS . ZACHARIAS AND ELISABETH WERE RIGHTEOUS AND BLAMELESS BEFORE GOD , BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT SACARIFICES AND OBLATIONS COULD NOT TAKE AWAY THEY SINS : THEY MUST DO WHAT KING DAVID DID ; REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL . PSALM 51: 16-17 , " 16.For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. 17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. SHALOM !

[@paulwiederhold7629]

If we step away from 'what Moses commanded', and 'what Jesus commanded', what do we do with Matt. 24:20? Flight in winter or on a Sabbath. If you say that just refers to Jews - 1) isn't that confusing? That would give credence to the whole 'two sets of Laws', one for Jews and one for Gentiles. But then this screws up the whole Gal 3:28 'neither Jew nor Greek', Rom. 10:12, and Col. 3:11 2) 'flight on a Sabbath', well whose Sabbath?! Jew's will have different Sabbaths than Gentiles. Then you have the real cray cray believers who say that any and everyday can be their Sabbath. Therefore, what in the world is Jesus talking about? Now I am confused more than ever. Which I thought 'sound doctrine = Scripture' was not suppose to do. What say you Mr. Solberg?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Paul. I read Matthew 24:20 as revealing Jesus' expectation that His Jewish followers would continue to observe the seventh day Shabbat. And why wouldn't they? It was never forbidden. Rob

[@paulwiederhold7629]

@TheBiblicalRoots thank you. But to me, that seems to negate the 'no longer Jew or Gentile' statements. To imply, yes there are Jews that do this, and Gentiles that do that. Maybe you and David or Dr. Brown could hash through that?

[@salpezzino7803]

@@paulwiederhold7629 'no longer Jew or Gentile' is speaking to those who are In Christ. Paul has said this many times. So, Paul is speaking to Jesus's Bride not Judaism. The Lord's Day is the Christian Sabbath, the 7th Day is the Judaism Sabbath

[@paulwiederhold7629]

@@salpezzino7803 That's great. But it still doesn't clearly get us to understand or know what Jesus is saying when He says pray that your flight isn't on a Sabbath. If everyone is going to have a different Sabbath then that statement is a head scratches.

[@salpezzino7803]

@@paulwiederhold7629 not really, He was speaking to Torah Keepers before the Cross. Also Jesus was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem and it was a favor of God that it happened in the summer, and not in winter

[@simonskinner1450]

Atonement does not come from blood on the Cross, but by faith in his blood gone into heaven changing the covenant of Moses, but both the old and new covenants optional until AD70.

[@norakotze2575]

Antonement is the blood that was shed to save us filthy sinners. Without shedding of the blood, no one can be saved. Theres life in the blood and believers believe in the precious blood that was shed and the work and person of Christ. Just like the day of atonement when the blood of lambs were to be applied on the doorposts😊

[@simonskinner1450]

@@norakotze2575 I guess you are relying on Hebrews 9:22 for you to say it is necessary to shed blood for the forgiveness of sins, but the context of that verse is blood being required to change a covenant, no offering can pay for sins. But you do make a good point that in Egypt the wrath of God passed over doors covered with blood, that is what Jesus can do for us by faith in his blood, that now in heaven he can sprinkle his blood on the Mercy Seat for those he judges as sanctified. Not actual blood but the Mercy of forgiveness of past sins at baptism. The Temple is in heaven now where Mercy is given in atonement for sins, the Cross was not a temple ceremony.

[@tonybenjamin7844]

I just read Galatians...no where in there does it say that the Law is done away with or that we need not follow it. Merely it says that our Salvation cannot be attained through works, but by Faith only. Am I reading it wrong?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi Tony! Galatians 3:23-25 says: ""Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Shalom, RLS

[@tonybenjamin7844]

Hi Brother, I appreciate your view on this but still feel we are at odds about it :) It is interesting because Paul does contradict himself in other passages re The Law. Faith in Christ/Yeshua is paramount and no doubt, we will know the Truth on this matter very shortly....I hope :) PS: I also find it surprising that Temple sacrifices are to be reinstituted in the Millennium?? Very surprised.

[@salpezzino7803]

@@tonybenjamin7844 you know what makes me sick? When Cultists say 'your view' You seem confused, the 'your view' is 2000 years of understanding of the Holy Scriptures. What is wrong with you? It is your Cult that twists the scriptures. All Rob is doing is defending the Truth. The Bible you twist was Canonized by Christian Men of God who didn't keep the law of Moses and worshiped on the Lord's Day.

[@tonybenjamin7844]

Hi, And which day is the Lord's Day? @@salpezzino7803

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

No, you're not reading it wrong. It is deceivers like the owner of this channel that tries to argue that Paul words about animal sacrifices no longer being necessary is the same as him saying Christians don't need to live by the Law as a whole. This lawless attempt at connecting those dots stem from a unwillingness to accept Paul's clear words in Rom. 3:31 that all of the apostles were upholding the authority of God's laws.

[@dmoffitt1914]

4:26 here is the problem with you quick video. You cant have all 4 statement and the whole be true. The problem starts with #2 the laws of Moses/Christ/God are the same, and are the requirements of the new testament as stated in Jeremiah 31:31 and echoed Hebrew 8:10 the difference is the reward and circumcised heart. #3 So if you agree to the blood of Christ, you're still bound by the requirements law as spoke in 1 John 3 because the old law is imbedded in the new testament. #4 if Christ is one with God he would have the same morality as God this the same law. Else you have actually changed to a different god.

[@tumipeele8174]

I agree with you 100%. Faith in Jesus Christ liberates

[@jeffholder8018]

"Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your law is truth." Psalms 119:142 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ." John 1:17 "But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins PREVIOUSLY committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but BY A LAW OF FAITH. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the CIRCUMCISED BY FAITH and the UNCIRCUMCISED THROUGH FAITH is one. Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW." Romans 3:21‭-‬31 "Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but WHAT MATTERS IS THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Each man must remain in that condition in which he was called." 1 Corinthians 7:18‭-‬20 "If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. BUT GODLINESS ACTUALLY IS A MEANS OF GREAT GAIN WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY CONTENTMENT. For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either. If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content." 1 Timothy 6:3‭-‬8 Thank You Lord our God who came in the flesh in the name of Jesus!

[@bobcolby5607]

I would be offended by David’s lumping you with Stanley who is a false teacher

[@BillNaire]

David, Is Christ not enough for you? Is Christ work on the cross not complete or not providing complete perfection for you? Why are you running back to the law to find perfection. Christ has rescued you when mosaic law cannot rescue you but condemns you and put you to death. Christ fulfills it and ending it through his shared blood on the cross... What more do I lack when I already posses Christ. If I run back to the law that makes no sense at all because Christ has provided the complete perfection and I am complete in Christ. David you are telling Christ Jesus that his redemptive work for us on the cross still lacks perfection that's why you run back to the law to be fully complete... David, you are totally outside of God's GRACE...

[@paulwiederhold7629]

Maybe it would help me (us) understand what your position is on 'grafting in'. And, if grafted in are we then part of God's people, God's nation Israel?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

You might find this video of ours helpful, Paul. *Identity Crisis: Are We Israel? Are We Gentiles?* kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJzEeYhjqcR_fLc Blessings, Rob

[@brandonbackes930]

I would disagree with you on the point you made around 13 minutes in where you say the commandments of Christ are not the commandments of God. First if we review all the things that Christ teaches, or "commands" if you prefer. We find that the Son does only what He has seen the Father do. He speaks the words the Father has spoken and instructs the same things the Father instructed. Refer to Jeremiah 31:33. Notice that the content of the new covenant is the Torah. Using Hebrew and Greek interlinears will help in your studies. In your analogy of the acorn, when the oak arises from it, all of the content of the acorn is invested in the oak. Now, you are right when you say that some of God's teachings apply exclusively to the people they are addressed to. And it is also true that some of God's teachings are not permissible to those they are not addressed to. But there are many things that apply specifically to the people addressed and are permissible to others if done with the right understanding and intent. Consider God's instructions to the levitical priests in Exodus 30. The priests are supposed to wash the rotting blood and guts, from sacrificing animals, off their hands before approaching the altar to prepare the meal. No one else is commanded to do this. But is it a good idea to avoid cross contamination? Are regular people not allowed to wash their hands before preparing or serving food? Obviously there is a lot of freedom in the law. Often, even the principles of the law are given as a vague generalization leaving the exact implementation up to the person practicing it. On the topic of ceremonial law, you might consider what ceremonial law is. Ceremonial law describes How God runs his eternal court after which the earthly temple, synagogue and the New testament church are patterned (Exodus 25:40). Ceremonial law allows people on earth to follow along with what God is doing in heaven. Refer to the Lord's prayer. It also keeps God's kids from bumbling around on earth, making fools of themselves in the heavenly court. To be absent from the body is to already be in God's presence. We are there now even though we can't see it through our earthly eyes. You brought up circumcision. This is something God taught to the children of Abraham. Both biological and adopted. If you know what it means go ahead, but Paul teaches that a gentile should not undergo circumcision as a means of giving up your nationality and becoming a citizen of the tribe of Judah. In Paul's time Circumcision had become conflated with immigration. Many elders, in the time of Christ, taught that only people with Judian citizenship could get saved. Circumcision cannot impart or improve salvation. Neither does the mikvah. It is a personal witness between a believer and God. So it is more significant to be inwardly circumcised than to be just outwardly so. It is both spiritual and physical. But if you don't know what it means don't do the physical part. It isn't of any use to you if you don't know what it means. Yes, Jewish children are raised with it and affirm it when they understand. But are supposed to have been taught from infancy. When it comes to discussion of God's law, I would advise learning what it is and how it works as a prerequisite to discussing it. Here is a quick overview. The Law is the collection of God's teachings(Torah) about how men can live a Godly life in this earthly age. It is the content of every covenant He makes. As society cast off Godly knowledge the verbal expression of Godliness was expanded to cover the principles cast off by the world. Now, the word "Israel" has two interpretations. Together they tell the story of every child of God. First it means to have struggled fruitlessly in the presence of God. Second it means to labor fruitfully, joined to God. The law begins, "Listen up Israel, the Lord is your God the Lord in oneness." Next it is divided into ten topical headings into which the rest of God's teachings are sorted. We sometimes translate them as commandments but the text refers to them as matters, issues, or topics. In the new testament a different set of 4 topic headings are provided for new gentile believers. See acts 15, particularly 20 and 21. The apostles did not invent them but instead drew from Torah a set of topical headings that predate the ten on the stone tablets. Traditionally, Judaism has taught that these four topical headings apply to righteous gentiles. These God given topics encapsulate all of God's teachings that are required of gentle believers or permissible to them. The stated goal, in the text, is to use these categorical generalizations partly as an introductory course for new believers and partly as a way of establishing fellowship as siblings between Jews, mature gentile believers and new converts. Not to make gentiles Jews or Jews gentiles but to welcome them as co-religionists from different nations. Then, as Acts 21:25 states, fill in their understanding from the Torah. Some other common names for the law of Moses are, "All things that pertain to life and Godliness" and "The divine nature that is in us through Messiah". We also find those terms in the New Testament. Now a certain man began to build a mansion, and longed desperately for it to become totelos, functionality complete. On the day it was completed he visited. He did not move in, but ordered it's destruction for it was totelos, fulfilled. Now, in the course of time, a certain man began to build a mansion, and longed desperately for it to become totelos, functionality complete. On the day it was completed he visited. He did not move in, but abandoned it to rot and decay and he lived on the street begging for bread because his expensive mansion was totelos, fulfilled. Again, somewhere in the course of time, a certain man began to build a mansion, and he longed desperately for it to become totelos, functionality complete. On the day it was completed he visited. He moved in, and invited his friends, saying "Rejoice with me because my mansion is totelos, fulfilled."

[@norakotze2575]

You sound like a Gnostic and a Judaiser from Pauls days.... Watch Solbergs videos. He explains it so beautifully that you can easily understand it. The HRM has you really confused!

[@brandonbackes930]

@@norakotze2575 Me? No I don't hold with the Gnostics nor do I believe you have to be ethnically Jewish to get saved. I don't believe a gentile needs to fake Jewishness in order to get or keep a relationship with God. So I am not a Judaizer like the ones in Paul's day. I am not even Hebrew Roots. What I am is a Jewish follower of the Jewish Messiah. I do believe that a personal relationship God will look very Jewish because the Jews got their Jewishness from a personal relationship with God. I have watched Mr Solberg's other videos and I find he draws too heavily on teachings of Marcion the heretic. Marcion the heretic believed that all the apostles had fallen into heresy since their teachings were very Jewish. He was also something of a neo gnostic. He got kicked out of his home church for using his teachings in an immoral way. He came to feel that Paul was the only faithful church leader, so he moved to Rome confident that Paul's disciples would welcome him put him in a position of authority and affirm his own personal spin on the teachings of Paul. Paul's disciples met with him and gave him a fair hearing, but they rejected his teachings and when he refused correction he was put out of fellowship. After that he decided he was the only real Christian, so he made his own church based on getting rid of anything that seemed to Jewish. After he died his followers gave up some of his worst herecies but clung to many others. In time their hybrid doctrine became more popular than the teachings of the apostolic disciples. Mr Solberg's teachings draw heavily from the Marcionite tradition. I think people should go back to the teachings of the Messiah and his apostles. I enjoy studying the scriptures in the original languages and learning the cultural background that went into the text. I enjoy helping people understand the teachings of God as they are preserved for us in the Bible. Sure it looks more Jewish than the ways of the world, but what's the world worth to us in comparison to the God of all creation anyway?

[@KeepingWatch95]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, *what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?* Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but *if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.* Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[@rowe8593]

You never say what it means to be grafted into Israel. If you believe we are grafted in what are we grafted into? Their covenant with God or just all the blessings?

[@Tom-dd6hk]

Jesus said that Moses wrote of Him. If the Torah is that much different from the gospel, I think we got issues

[@giovanni545]

Revelation 14:12 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

[@woodflowerman]

Which commandments is this referring to? To say it’s referring to the Torah would be adding to the text but we can look at the context of the passage and see that it says faith in Jesus so it would be logical to think it’s talking about the commandments Jesus gave us. Also this is only a dispensationalist issue.

[@stephenvieting]

Has hebrew roots tried touching Roman’s 2:14-16 yet i would be very interested in how they handle that passage. That and the more i see it seems like the movement itself is stalled at the mythic literal stage on the James Fowler scale

[@dmoffitt1914]

Sure I can respond, Romans 2:14-16 that paragraph is about ignorance of the law is no excuse. Some nations may have laws like don't murder, don't steal that is in the laws of God, but that is laws for that nation god because we all can see that is wrong. But again having a similar law like do not murder and having a law of bow to this idol means it's still death in the end. Aka those without the low perish with the law This is also echoed by James's guilty of part of the law you are guilty of it all. You can do everything right but if you murder someone you're guilty of all the law. Which is the same for any nations law

[@stephenvieting]

@@dmoffitt1914 Roman’s 13:10 says charity is the fulfillment of the law. So If i apply your Roman’s 2:14 hermeneutic what’s your excuse for following moses and not doing charity?

[@dmoffitt1914]

@@stephenvieting charity is on the law. Such as poor is allowed to gleen from the trees, don't mistreat the widow or fatherless, and other laws of charity. ‭Matthew‬ ‭23:23‬ [23] “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

[@stephenvieting]

@@dmoffitt1914 i know this might be challenging for you but if you can try to view the text and not your presuppositions you will see it says what it says “fulfillment” if you need the tutor you’re not doing ephesian 4:16 and you’re being blown two and fro with every wind of doctine.

[@dmoffitt1914]

@@stephenvieting I'm challenging you to do the same with you presuppositions. The term fullilment just means to do. That also not steal, If you do not steal, you have fulfill the law, You ride into town on a donkey. You fulfill the prophecy. All matters are established by two or more witnesses, can you find another author along than Paul that agrees with your thought? Christ, John, Paul, Peter, whoever wrote Hebrews.. "To the law and to the testimonies if they speak not to this there is no light in them. " "For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments and his commandments are not grievous". In case here is the definition of: ful·fill·ment /fo͝olˈfilm(ə)nt/ noun 1. the achievement of something desired, promised, or predicted. "winning the championship was the fulfillment of a childhood dream" 2. the meeting of a requirement or condition. "the fulfillment of statutory requirements"

[@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975]

Would you consider someone who, while claiming Christ and His gospel, but also thinking that keeping the torah is necessary and even as far as sacrifices are necessary (or will be), is an actual saved Christian? Of course only as far as a man can know, using the bible as our litmus test not our own feelings.

[@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975]

I know that answering this could cause some to find it quite offensive. To be fair, my opinion would be that they are not. If adding circumcision to the gospel would cause Paul to declare that person anathema, adding future sacrifices and keeping the torah is that same heresy but to the enth degree. But I'd like to know your opinion, maybe I am wrong.

[@rayray4192]

I don’t care about Wilbur’s effeminate soy boy feelings. He’s not “ In Christ.” “ He wants to be a Jew because it feeds his huge ego. Playing wannabe Jew is like cherry pie yo the little heretic. ​@@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975

[@rayray4192]

You are sooohhhhhh right! ​@@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975

[@rayray4192]

Absolutely not.

[@casparjw]

​@@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975Paul declared that a new Gentile convert who sought to be circumcised in order to be saved would be anathema because doing so is a violation of the Law of Moses. That's why they would be cut off from Christ. Paul's opponents in Galatians weren't teaching obedience to the Law of Moses. They were teaching a man-made tradition which held that the only way a Gentile could be saved was to become a Jew through ritual circumcision. This is what Paul calls "ergon nomou" (works of law) which is something different than the Law of Moses.

[@EricHort-cx1jp]

TheBiblicalRootts. Hi. My sentiments exactly. What I was trying to point out was the only law that is salvation oriented is the moral law or the 10 commands . Other laws were not . Eg. How I treat people today is how I will.treat them in heaven . The eternal law of love defines and describes what love joy peace etc is towards our nieghbors and more importantly our Creator . We could make up oue own ideas of what love is otherwise . The sanctuary laws have shifted to the heavenly sanctuary. The SYBOLS have been done away with bur the SERVICE to get rid of sin through the blood is still.available ( well I hope so)

[@king_____geo273]

We need both

[@yeshuaeselcaminoayhwh1861]

You have heared is said but i say, you have that wrong... there is a big difference between "u have heard it said" and "its written" he never said, its written but i say, because he is what is written.

[@sarpicerde4284]

Zechariah (chapter 1) In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, 2 The Lord hath been sore displeased with your fathers. 3 Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. 4 Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and from your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the Lord. 5 Your fathers, where are they? and the prophets, do they live for ever? 6 But MY WORDS and MY STATUTES, WHICH I COMMANDED MY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, did they not take hold of your fathers? Looks like ALL THE LAW comes from GOD, he told to his SERVANTS (Moses, etc) what to write and say... The COMMANDMENTS of God 👈

[@courtneydiaz9161]

Ummmm....What about the Sermon on the Mount...? He didn't only teach the Law, He made it even harder! This is misleading teaching you are sharing.