The LC200 is WEIGHED | Fully MODIFIED and LOADED? | It might be time to go on a diet!? | GVM & GCM

[@slowboat6021]

well done Nathan it's way to easy to overload, I solved this problem by carrying less crap, no bull bar no winch, no rear bar, no kids, my dog only weighs

[@XploringOz]

Yeah, I'm thinking we will have to re-consider how much and what we take away with us from here on! It's very easy to get caught up in having all the latest and greatest accessories... Cheers, Nathan.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Great video mate. So many 4WD's are way over the legal GVM weight of their 4WD. I went through this in my GU Patrol. Mine was always over weight when going away on a trip, and i didn't want to do a GVM upgrade to carry more weight. I wanted to keep my current GVM and carry less weight. So i went to town and began putting my Patrol on a massive diet. In the end i removed just over 300kgs from my Patrol and this includes taking out the second row back seats. I'll speak of the State of Victoria if you are considering this change and you want to keep your 4WD legal when taking out the back seats. It must be inspected and signed off by Vic Roads with those seats out and now my Patrol is a registered and insured 2 seater GU Patrol. It can cause all sorts of legal issues if you take your second row seats in and out and your involved accident while your 4WD is still registered and insured as a 5 or 7 seater vehicle.

[@XploringOz]

Thanks Tim! It sure is a underrated subject. Probably due to some people putting their heads in the sand and not wanting to know how far over GVM they really are... I'm hoping to do something to reduce the overall weight as we all know how much difference a lighter vehicle can make when out on the tracks. So many legalities to consider as well and frustratingly, so different from state to state.... it definitely doesn't make it easy for people to work out what they are going to do and how to do it! Cheers, Nathan.

[@paulchaseling9154]

Hey Nathan my guesstimate was close on your empty weight but out when the big girl is fully loaded, wow 😯. Something I'm learning as I build mine at the moment as well. It took me sometime getting my head around weights and after market products that would support my build but thanks too content creators like yourself and your experiences they have really help me setup my cruiser. Another great vid and I can't wait to see the new van when it arrives. Cheers Paul 👍

[@darylephillips6778]

Remember when weighing this should include the weight of MUM Dad Kids and the dogs plus full fuel

[@XploringOz]

Thanks Paul. I'm glad to hear that you have got some value from my experiences with my cruiser, after all this is why I started this channel. It was amazing to see how quickly those wights add up, but I'm glad I'm aware of them and can adjust things to make it work. All the best with your build and hopefully I'll see you out there someday. Cheers, Nathan.

[@lukehutchinson6754]

Great episode Nathan, can't say I was surprised with being overweight as we had a fleet of 200's attempting to be remote patrol vehicles. Glad you have kept it real and honest, I thought you had to be within GVM with tanks full at all times so not sure the "short term " fixes will work. Good luck with the further upgrade and I look forward to the diet episode (this time of year we all need it) 😃🍻🍻🍻👍👍

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate. For sure, these weights add up very quickly! Doesn't take long to fill to pass by those GVM figures, especially the stock. I'm looking forward to working out what I'm going to do... 🤔

[@TristanNicolas]

Thank you for that transparency. The payload is definitely a huge challenge. I think it is not only modified 4wd but lots of small SUV as well as they have limited payload and are at risk of being overloaded when going camping. I have a Prado and we ended buying a pod trailer to carry the weight instead of adding more weight on the roof.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, there would be so many people out there well and truely over weight. Good idea with the Pod trailer, very light weight but will help the GMV weights out significantly! Cheers, Nathan.

[@SteveBurns80]

I went through a similar process with my 100series, like you, we had far too much stuff. We managed to cull just over 200kgs by swapping out our heavy vehicle based equipment for the light weight hiking equipment. This culling also included removing our rear draws and fridge slide and going back to basic lightweight storage boxes. To our surprise we haven't missed anything and now prefer this simpler lighter set-up. Fully loaded we're still 50kg over our gvm of 3500kg but it's only when the longranger tank is full.

[@XploringOz]

Yeah, I hear you. Soo easy to overpack and become soo heavy. We are definitely considering all options at the moment and try and find out what works best for us. Cheers, Nathan.

[@wiljensadventures4425]

Same here Steve, wife and I recently sold our fully decked out HZJ105 and purchased a GX 200 series, have focused on packing our lighter Motorcycle/Bicycle camping gear and keeping the rear modular. No more slide out draws, roof racks, rear bars, fridge slides, etc for us. Just a Pelican case for tools and minimal recovery gear, an Engel 40L fridge and the dog. Happy camping.

[@XploringOz]

@@wiljensadventures4425 Sometimes simple is better! It's very easy to get carried away with too much gear.

[@nzAndy]

Good video Nathan, my 2015 Prado (almost a 200) with 3rd seats removed, full fuel tank, 40ltr water tank, roo bar, winch, tow bar, rock sliders, roof rack, 2nd battery system, plywood rear shelving and without a GVM upgrade, only leaves 300kg for 2 people and gear which is tight to say the least. I can get an extra 70kg by removing the 2nd row seats

[@XploringOz]

😂....(almost a 200) ... Love it mate! Yes for sure, the weights add up very quickly. I'm glad to hear that at least you are aware and can managing this loading capacity appropriately. Imagine how many people out there are just driving around overweight! Cheers

[@foss5011]

Great warts & all video with honest disclosure. I have a 2010 60th Anniversary 200. No spare wheel carrier, LR tank, no water, no flat rack but otherwise similar to your setup. It has the Lovells 3800 GVM upgrade with 7300 GCM. With caravan attached, on a recent trip, a check at a roadside VicRoads weighbridge showed the car with 2 people at 3720kg. Very close to GVM & I have to be careful what I can add, otherwise I will be in the same boat as you. Add a couple of people & I am over. How many 200 owners are out there that are hopelessly overweight & don't know or do know but choose to ignore it? Keep up the good work.

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the video. I'm jealous of your upgraded GCM, something I can't do post rego on my vehicle, but yes absolutely agree with how quickly these weights add up. Thanks mate, Nathan.

[@ClaytonCookpanda]

Yeah I'm at 3.7 plus for a weekend camping trip. Will have to look at gvm upgrade

[@SUPERTRUCKER166]

Had a Space cab 2017 BT50, had a resonably standard canopy setup + barwork + rooftop tent, it came in at 3500kg without a driver, and it would tare at 2720kg without canopy. Ended up ditching it and going to a 4wd truck (Canter) gives almost 3t payload with a 6500kg gvm. And you can safely tow 4500kg as well ontop.

[@Belltown]

Well done. That’s the way to go. Can’t get over how heavy these light duty Utes and SUVs weigh once loaded.

[@XploringOz]

That's heavy for a ute too! I hear you and trust me, I consider everything including trucks. They just aren't for me, not my style and won't do everything I need and expect from my cruiser. Absolutely love this vehicle and wouldn't change for much, although tempting options do come along from time to time...

[@douglashartney2564]

Great videos keep up the good work, I have rear drawers and recovery equipment in back of 200 series, etc. when loaded up up with caravan I am at 3860 kgs, gvm on vehicle. One thing I found that my rear axle was nearly 200 kilos over, ( insurance will be void in case of the unthinkable.) which hardly anybody seems to mention. if rear axle etc is overloaded. That was with lovells 3800 kg gvm, I have since installed 4.2 tonne gvm and new rear diff housing, now 2.5 tonne on rear axle, upgraded from 2000kg to 2500kg I now am well under GVM and rear axle weights. keep the videos coming Much appreciated.

[@XploringOz]

For sure mate, this is a good point to consider. There are so many points to consider and many of them weren't mentioned in this video. Unfortunately I didn't have the ability to weigh individual axles on this occasions and therefore didn't comment. But something I will be looking into in the future, particularly with the new van. Cheers, Nathan.

[@GR8Tmate]

@@XploringOz Hey Nathan, I was reading through the comments hoping that someone had brought the issue of Rear Axel to your attention. Unfortunately many, actually nearly all of the GVM upgrade kits don’t address AXEL WEIGHTS. Many of the kits, it’s impossible to get to the advertised GVM weight without breaching the axel weight. FYI, Jason from JMacx has some excellent KZbin content on this issue, it’s well worthy watching FROM A SAFETY ASPECT. IMO, SSM is a bit of a joke in this country. Basically what happens is Toyota engineers establish what is safe weight for their products and then other engineers come along and re-rate it often without changing much more than suspension components. That’s the beauty of what Jason talks about on his YT’s on this subject. At the end of the day, I think there’s alot of people rolling around with these basic GVM upgrade kits “Thinking” they’ve got it covered when in fact they are overlooking a number of things but on most occasions are oblivious to axel weights. What people don’t realise in a criminal court of law, ignorance is not a defence. Traffic matters can become Criminal matters especially in incidents where Serious injury or death is occasioned. Great YT, excellent work by yourself again. If you have any dramas & want to chat I’d be happy to discuss this with you as it’s something I have experience with on a professional level & something that EVERYONE should get right as there’s a lot riding on this. It’s always too late after things go pear shaped to find things out and has the potential to cause the loss of life and serious financial consequences too. Cheers 👍

[@XploringOz]

@@GR8Tmate Good advice there. The more you dive into this subject, the more confusing it can become, particularly for those who are just starting out in the 4WD scene. I might have to hit you up sometime and go over a few things for sure 👍

[@jeffwallis6696]

@@XploringOz Great video, this stuff gets really complex when you start pushing the load limits. The rear axle weight isn’t as simple as just the tow ball down load either because the distance between the rear axle and the tow hitch acts as a multiplier for the weight by actually transferring front axle weight to the rear axle to further complicate the issue, so a 250kg tow ball download could actually be 350kg on the rear axle.

[@shanebrowne2439]

@@XploringOz as per usual very informative video. My 2017 cruiser has hah a GVM upgrade as well. But it is always a struggle the keep the rear axle at or below rated once packed for touring Ann caravan in tow. Not sure up you way but there are many free public weight bridges along main highways. They weigh stations here typically operated by our road authority. VIC Roadshave in the past few years have been converted so that anyone can use if they are interested. Some points to note. You cam weigh each axle seperately. Front axle first. Take weight. Then Both axles. Take weight. Rear axle next take weight. Then of course take caravan weight. I use a spring weight at home to get before leaving. You can then add the ball weight to the caravan weight you just took to get van ATM. Oh and you can transfer rear vehicle axle weight to front axle by putting more tension on weight distribution hitch. Hope this helps. Shane

[@kisbushcraftdownunder]

I have a 2017 hilux with a few mods a nudge bar ,rock sliders, water tank,UHF, dual battery about a 100 kg add water and all my usual gear adds up to 200KG I weighed everything for my trip to Dirk Hartog Island inc camping gear food, water, kayak , ect I had 800KG still 200kg under my limit but if I had a bull bar and winch I would be at the limit. The concept of a GVM upgrade been a set of heavy springs gives me the chills when the car was made they fitted brakes designed to stop a certain load and a wheel of a certain diameter a larger wheel is harder to stop as is a heavier vehicle. Every component from wheel bearing, cv joints and axles is made to give a long Service life when used with in design limits its easy to modify out reliability and you are spot on with few people consider the ball down weight when towing. If you test how much longer it takes to stop with big diameter wheels over standard you will be horrified, great content regards Mike

[@XploringOz]

For sure, again agree with you here. The service life of a lot of components would reduce with extra weight, wind resistance and bigger tyres, but this is after all part of the compromise. Personally, I have upgraded the brakes which has made a big and noticeable difference! Cheers, Nathan.

[@stevegoodwin5841]

You can see why Utes are popular, large pay loads. My Dmax space cab chassis for example has an OEM GVM of 3050kg and GCM 6000kg. Pre first reg Lovells GVM and GCM upgrade done to produce new GVM 3600kg and new GCM 7000kg. I have built a tourer and not towing. Alloy tray and canvas canopy. Drawer system, under tray water and fuel tanks installed. Fridge, second battery, steel bull bar and scrub bar, winch, rear Xbar. We sleep on our drawer system bed base so weight low and between axles. Stock tyres and steel wheels. I am at 3200 kg without second fuel tank carrying its extra 60 lt capacity. Awning 270 degree, solar panel up top, maxtrax 1 pr, spare parts, hi lift jack and shovel. The weight adds up fast.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, Utes as the names would suggest have a big advantage there for their stock load carrying capacity. You are definitely right though, doesn't take much for the weight to add up quickly, it sure surprised me. Cheers, Nathan.

[@matthewfarrell317]

Makes me glad that 4 of the 6 people in our car weigh under 30kgs lol. I have no idea what we weigh, but I had thought that we might be close so got a 6x4 trailer to modify to just offload as much weight from the Prado as possible. GVM upgrade is outside our price range at the moment, especially with needing the Kakadu upgrade. Something I find very interesting is the whole GVM thing is mostly around 4x4's. I know 100% I constantly overload the Camry with weight but have never had any worry about being tested as I have with the Prado.

[@XploringOz]

Haha, only until they grow! 😂 The trailer idea is definitely a smart one though! This will work for us too when we get the new van! Good point you bring up about the GVM focussing on 4WD's though. I guess because they appear more obvious than regular vehicles. People would see them as a threat, whereas would be ignorant to sedans that are overweight... maybe, just my opinion? Cheers.

[@michaelhermans4753]

Another informative and well presented video Owning a modified gu patrol I am very weight conscious I have set my vehicle up modular style so I only take what I need for that particular trip My major weight saving comes from having two lithium batteries and removing the rear and middle seats ( my family have grown up) Having a family makes everything much more complicated A simple cheap solution is a small off-road trailer with extra water, fuel and spare wheels. It only gets hitched up for those remote trips With the caravan things will get really difficult as most vans don’t have much payload In your situation you will want to focus on van payload I know the “urban” hybrid vans are ally construction and offer more payload than most Will be interesting to see the path you take

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it. I hear you, I had a 09 GU Patrol and it must of been super overloaded, however weights weren't something I considered back then. I was one of the blissfully unaware... The lithium, batteries have definitely been a great weight saver and something I'll be exploring very soon. I have resorted to a trailer on the odd occasion, particularly when taking out motorbikes along as well. The payload of our van was one of the biggest considerations and I think we have one of the best in the market. Can't wait to show our new van when it arrives. Cheers, Nathan.

[@explore_moor]

Its an eye opening process of weighing your rig! Great run down.

[@Michael_Mears]

There'll always be people projecting their version of their understanding of camping on others. It's such a broad idea with many variations. You do what you works for you, and call it what you will. If people start saying to you,"You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means", then maybe you're operating right on the edge, or even beyond, the accepted definition ;-) Those weights are up there, for sure. Have a look at the axles ratings as well. Great video on a subject that doesn't get that much attention, like the unsprung weight issue you mentioned with respect to wheels. That's often overlooked as well.

[@XploringOz]

For sure mate, absolutely agree with your comments there. That's the great thing about the car/van/camping scene. It can be whatever you make it, as long as you're happy. Yeah, unfortunately I didn't have the opportunity to weigh individual axles weights and therefore didn't comment on them this time around. Maybe something I'll look into with our final setup with the van. Cheers, Nathan.

[@tomrollings4233]

Another informative video and what like about your videos is the honesty . Iam about to do a gvm upgrade so you have helped with the research again . Oh and those foor mat fit perfectly Thanks again :)

[@XploringOz]

Awesome, glad to hear this video came in good timing for your research and very glad to hear that you're enjoying those new mats! All the best mate, Nathan.

[@overlandingand4WD]

Another great informative video Nathan - my '19 VX has similar mods with addition of a full Kaymar rear bar with dual wheel carrier, but I've removed the 2nd row seats and fitted a lighter storage unit (benefit of no kids to worry about). My weights are similar to yours - once I established an empty base line I created a spreadsheet to calculate total weight for each big trip, including an inbuilt roof rack load/capacity tab. This way I can tweak what I take based on the trip needs, and whether towing, with a good idea of total mass without having to re-weigh often. Oh, and perhaps in a future video touch on axle limits also, many people overlook that the rear axle limit (2,145kg in your case) is often exceeded even though the total vehicle is under GVM limit.

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the video. Have seen some of your videos previously too, great looking setup! I like the idea of the spreadsheet allowing for easy calculation when changing gear setups. Yes, axles limits and weights are very important, unfortunately I just didn't have access to equipment that could do this for me this time around. I will have to re-visit this subject when I have my full setup. Cheers, Nathan.

[@SUPERTRUCKER166]

@@XploringOz You can do individual axles on a single point weighbridge, just drive the steer axles up to the B pillar, measure then drive forward until drives are on and measure, subtract the steer from the total and gives you your drive. Alternatively plenty of split weighbridges around that do individual plate weights so you can weigh each axle.

[@overlandingand4WD]

Agreed Daniel, that's how I've been doing mine and its pretty close, with little change in axle weight measured when driving a metre or so around the mid-point

[@WayneHewlett1]

I am going through the same process with a 79 series, the weight nobody seems to mention is the weights over the front and back axle, surprising to me my weights are ok overall but I was overweight over the back axle is the 200 series ok

[@XploringOz]

For sure, individual axles weights need to be considered, however unfortunately I didn't have access to this equipment and didn't mention it in the video. Cheers, Nathan.

[@markhill2216]

Hey Nathan - good all round information session. I have the 4015kg GVM ARB upgrade - thankfully!! You may have to look at upgrading your brakes as well with such a solid load on board. My mate had a Pedders gvm upgrade and part of that was new discs and pads for handling the increased weight. For some reason ARB don't offer the same brake upgrade.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, there are many parts that need to be considered when changing major dynamics of the vehicle. Fortunately a brake upgrade is something that I have already done and something that made a huge difference to the vehicle. Would definitely recommend. Cheers, Nathan.

[@peterj1376]

Great work as always Nathan. Interesting to see how things are progressing with your 200. I also have a 200 and recently discovered on a trip to the rubbish tip of all places where they these days weigh the vehicle I was almost overweight and would be if I had my van on the back. I've got a few accessories fitted but I got a shock to see how much the thing weighed and realised to keep legal I would need a GVM upgrade. Since then I have done plenty of research into the dark art of weights and measures which can be very confusing and inconsistent between manufacturers. For example I've discovered different manufacturers use different parameters to measure kerb weight of the vehicle, the starting point for all this. Some allow for passengers and some fuel or varying amounts of either and the figure they supply out of the factory is an approximate one. I worry about the day to day ride after this is done as mostly it's a town car but if I want to use my van and stay legal it has to be done. Fortunately for me my van is on the light side at less than 2ton so a GVM upgrade to 3800 should cover my needs. Mine is still in warranty so if something goes wrong Toyota will probably walk away. Another thing to check that's sometimes overlooked when considering a GVM upgrade is tyre and rim load capacities. Cheers, Peter 👍

[@XploringOz]

I completely agree, it's about crazy how quickly these weights add up, even with relatively 'standard' aftermarket accessories. I know the feeling when researching the weights, there is so much info out there, it's hard to make sense of it all when starting out. I was pleasantly surprised with the ride quality after fitting my GVM upgrade kit. I fitted it when the vehicle was stock standard and although much firmer, no where near as bad as I was expecting. Yes, the aftermarket wheel and tyre combo is definitely overlooked when upgrading wheels and tyres and this is something I mentioned in one of my first (and somewhat cringeworthy) KZbin videos when talking about wheels and tyres. All the best with your build and hope is all goes well. Cheers, Nathan.

[@4bnewb969]

Hi Nathan As usual another informative video. 👍 I’m amazed as to where all that weight comes from. Its not just the aftermarket gear bolted to the vehicle. I think I have my maths right; You mentioned a standard tare of 2740kg and a ready to roll weight with you in it of 3540kg. ie 800kg of gear on and in the vehicle; Bbar 85 Winch 25 Lights, aerials, radio 20 Fuel filter and catch can 10 Wheels 45 Roof rack 30 That’s 215kg, leaving 585kg for you, the rear drawers, tyre carrier and the larger tanks. 630kg if you deduct the removed 3rd row seat weight. We ( we are all guilty !) certainly find plenty of gadgets and gear to take with us. Cheers

[@XploringOz]

For sure mate. These weights add up so quickly! I believe just the LR fuel tank itself is quite a bit heavy as well. Not only more steel, but made from a heavy duty construction. It will be all the small things like this that add up very quickly... Not denying a cull of items we bringing is in order though! Cheers.

[@overlandphotography]

G'day Nathan. Very appropriate video because in about 3 hours, I have a mobile weigh professional calling in to weigh the Cruiser and van. I know I'm overweight already but just don't know by how much. At least this way, I'll know what needs to be done to get back to where I need to be. Thanks again and as always, very informative.

[@XploringOz]

Thanks Jim! Good timing then 👍 How did you go with your weighing? Have you much adjusting to do? Cheers.

[@overlandphotography]

@@XploringOz ... I knew I was over but geezzzz. I'm 490 kgs over my max GCM of 6850kgs. I'm carrying 3 x 95 litre tanks (285litres) of water in the van and 1 x 105 litre bladder of water which sits on the 200's passenger floor. The 200 is -35kgs underweight when attached to van and -333 underweight when not attached. The caravan is 280 kgs overweight when standing alone and 211 kgs overweight when attached to the 200. As you can see, I have a bit of thinking to do.

[@XploringOz]

@@overlandphotography Hmm, yes. That's going to be a little puzzle trying to figure out how to fix that. Looks like a little bit of gear might have to be off-loaded. Saying that, you're not too far off, I think there would be many 200's out there over their GCM by a lot more. Keep us in the loop as to how you go! Thanks for sharing your experience though, good to hear how others are going with their setups.

[@justanotherhuman1701]

Good video. By luck I chose a full sized 4wd with a stock carrying capacity of nearly 900 kg. I drive the very under rated old Nissan patrol rb30. It’s got the 3 l petrol motor. Once we were done with young kids it was out with most of the seats, homemade ,light box system, Aluminium bull bar and general emphasis on light weight. Despite drinking fuel like a sailer on shore leave , I manage to do Simpson Desert trips around 3000 kg, admittedly still a couple of hundred kgs over weight but probably a ton lighter than most 4wd’s out there. The car drinks that weight after the first couple of days ! I know my car is old and gutless and Cruisers clearly are better vehicles ,but out in the sand it performs really, really well. Too much weight and sand are not a great combination. I suppose Land Rover defenders would have a very high load carrying capacity too. It does seem strange that cruisers can’t legally carry more because in real life they do it easily. Anyway, just how I do it.

[@XploringOz]

I hear you mate, I used to have an old patrol too. They are great cars and very underrated. Fuel and power are not their strong suits at all. Glad to hear that you made it worked and still enjoyed it so much. I love the cruiser, but the 4t weight sure concerns me a little. Still yet to get properly stuck in sand (crawl control is great!) but we'll see... Thanks for sharing, Nathan.

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

You could save 40 kg by putting a lithium cranking battery under the bonnet. Brent from BAW shows his setup at 12 minute mark on Brent’s Nori green Toyota Land Cruiser 79. It’s an expensive option though.

[@XploringOz]

Lithium is something that I'll be exploring very soon. But I'll definitely check out the channel you mentioned, always keen to see others experiences. Cheers, Nathan.

[@arash13571]

My bird hasn’t got any extra on it and drives like a king on the road ,I passed a rd train doing 190km and she was like gimme more , love it the way it is and not gonna do any mods or add extras , cheers for your video tho

[@XploringOz]

Mate, that are absolutely awesome vehicle from stock. That's the best thing about the car scene. We can all modify/ or not modify our vehicles to be exactly how we like them! As long as the driver is happy. Glad you enjoy your cruiser and enjoy the vid's. Thanks mate, Nathan.

[@thirdtimeround-chromenomads]

WOW! Certainly something to take into account as my other half and I plan to do the grey nomad lap at the end of this year.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, I hope you guys manage to come in a little lighter than this. Cheers, Nathan.

[@chrisspies8123]

An other informative and well produced video Nathan. Im looking to my next vehicle and the 200 is on the radar so its been really helpful. Hope the new van arrives soon, and cant wait to see the travels whe you guys hit the road full time.

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate! Glad you are enjoying the content and it can be somewhat helpful. Me too, can't wait for it to come and can't wait to share it here!

[@chrisspies8123]

@@XploringOz i bet you guys cant wait. I look forward to see the travels

[@j.t.s8618]

Nice! Can't wait to get ours. Great content!

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate, all the best with yours! 👍

[@j.t.s8618]

Thx mate and the best with yours 👍

[@russellmarker3673]

I’m going through the same problem at the moment. I still can’t believe that manufactures do a tare weight with only 10L in the tank and no people. Until the government do something about this we are all going to keep having this problem.

[@XploringOz]

Hmm, for sure. There are many sneaky things the manufactures do, I guess something we have to live with for the time being...

[@watpat4930]

Just an FYI, if ever inspected for weight the relevant authorities will fill all tanks fitted, so you can’t argue/say that you’re keeping legal by not running full tanks. Great video btw, my equivalent 2015 VX recently weighed in at 3.22 without me in it and not many less mods…add the 350kg ball weight, luggage, a full fridge etc and I’m creeping up to my 4T gvm very quickly! There are soooo many over weight four wheel drives getting around!

[@XploringOz]

This is a good point if your state/territory specifies this. It is amazing how quickly those weights add up!

[@GetCampingOz]

Great vid mate! Its defiantly an eye opener that's for sure!

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate. Sure is! I'm glad I found out so that I can now manage all this weight. Cheers, Nathan.

[@chuckberry7692]

Great vid fella. You wouldn’t be the only one out there over that’s for sure🤘🇦🇺🔥🍻

[@XploringOz]

I can only imagine. Cheers mate 👍

[@andyk5473]

Very informative video. Doesn't take much to eat up the standard payload, then the GVM upgrade payload. Been down that track. Unfortunately, like you mentioned, alot of cars would be over both GVM & GCM.

[@XploringOz]

Not at all. I couldn't believe the weight of the cruiser without any gear, it's crazy!

[@paulhamilton8991]

I am on my second 200 series and identified the same issue so have had the Lovells GCM upgrade to 7300 pre rego. 3800 for the car and retains 3500 towing. I am just about to go through a similar weigh and check process on the car and our van. We will see. Considering they are an 8 seater makes you wonder if they are fit for purpose with only 610kg for say a family of 5 and normal luggage with no extras fitted. I assume the 300 will likely be similar issue! Great informative vid should upload a link to the LC200 forum.

[@XploringOz]

Absolutely mate, considering the size of the vehicle, the passenger capacity and intended use the payload does not seem adequate for its purpose. Good luck with your setup, hopefully its not too heavy 🤞 Cheers, Nathan.

[@bobklincke4671]

Just gone through the same with my Colorado and van. GVM and ATM upgrades, shed some weight and moved heavy items between the axle where possible. The thing to be conscious of is should you have an accident the authorities and the insurance will weigh you vehicle. I believe there is a woman in NSW in serious trouble due to a fatal accidence and her vehicle / van was proven to be over the specified limits.

[@XploringOz]

Yes, for sure this is definitely another consideration that is worth taking into account. 👍

[@DoNotThinkJustDo]

The spare tire carrier is amazing. Who makes that tire carrier?

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, this tyre carrier is made by Kaymar. An ARB dealer supplied my one, however I have heard they might not stocking or fitting these units anymore. Best to speak with Kaymar themselves if you are interested. Cheers, Nathan.

[@daleallen-ankins6777]

Few companies doing a 4495 gvm for the wagon without a chop. Could be worth a look. DMW in QLD is one.

[@XploringOz]

Mate I wish, but there's no way I can afford that sort of modification. Maybe one day.... we can only dream

[@Susieandchris]

Excellent video as usual . Really struggling what to buy . Covid overpriced 200 or a 300 that you cannot buy . 300 slightly more gvm but you have to spend a fortune to get the comforts . Not much choice out there I do not want a 4 cylinder! Cannot wait to see what your new van is . Had a v8 Trooopy with a bed up top but getting to old for that . Please keep your videos coming your one of the few that say how it is . All the best to you and your family

[@XploringOz]

For sure mate. I hear you! There aren't too many options on the market at the moment for mid-large sized engines and capacity without going for the big US trucks! Can't wait to show the van on the channel. Still patiently waiting on this side, but I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Cheers mate, Nathan.

[@iandibley8032]

Hi Nathan very interesting very easy be over weight, I have been chasing weight on my LC 200 & caravan also with a towball weight of 250 kgX TBW by 1.5 & this gives the approx weight added to the rear axle. With 1950 kg max rear axle it is very easy to exceed this figure, hence the reason I haven't fitted a bigger fuel tank wheel carrier etc etc and increased solar on the van & leave the genny at home. I am fine with the 6850 gcm 1000 kg under and the van gvm under by 150 kg the LC has a 3650 kg upgrade OK there...but it is the rear axle is very close. With a big van with a TBW of 300kg + I don't see how it would be possible without a rear axle up grade apparently Lovells sign off on the rear load increase increase on their 3800kg upgrade. . Thanks enjoyed the vid. Cheers Ian.

[@XploringOz]

For sure mate, there is so much to consider with these weights. Unfortunately I didn't have access or the ability to weigh individual axles at my local weigh bridge. This will probably be something I look into when the van is here and setup ready to go. Then I'll be able to manage all my final weights. Thanks for the watch and the continued support on the channel, it's always appreciated. Cheers, Nathan.

[@iandibley8032]

Hi Nathan when you pick your van up get them to check weight in you presents to ensure the weight on the compliance is the actual weight of your van. I am on the Sunshine Coast Qld the guy at the local weigh bridge told me they are weighing the wreck after a smash now....insurance injepody if over .

[@XploringOz]

@@iandibley8032 Definitely a good tip. We have ordered a van with a very promising payload capacity, but the weights need to be correct none-the-less. Cheers.

[@holgermuller2987]

G day Nathan And happy new year to you and your audience! Ok, having viewed all 81 commences now, I would like to share my opinion on this damned subject with the low GVM in the lc200 and the nite picking for kg. We are all in the same boat but all with a different set up but similar requirements. Not talking about the daily driver lc 200. Seeing your setup and gross numbers but missing the max Axel loads numbers for your GVM upgrade how the 3840 kg are distributed ? My rear axle is 2020kg plus 1700kg front total 3720 kg = Pedders set max GVM upgrade in 2019. with new DBA T3 slotted rotors all around fitted by me. 1st. Question I could not find an answer: Toyota std rear axle max capacity ??? (Tire and rims well over 3000kg) Upgraded axles housing I recon min 2500 kg We need the max capacity in the rear axle, not front! Adding the tow ball weight with roughly 300kg will unload the front axle. (+600kg spring set fitted = well balanced fully loaded) For us now problem since we travel most of the time with van. No daily driver. As said, considering full air spring in the rear as last option. But here comes the 2nd question: what would be the max achievable higher max GVM and max rear std rear axle capacity? 3rd question: Can it be re engineered certificated in VIC and WA?? Hola.. there are so many more options to play with, it’s a learning by doing and learn from others. You mentioned you would run you lc200 with not full diesel tanks on road to gain weight. Good idea… I had the same while running 270 ltr capacity tanks. Why not pump the 100 kg diesel into the spare tank in the van? And when you need it pump it back to the car. Oh.. your van has no diesel tank for the diesel heater ??? Therefor the AGM batterie set has to go and lithium battery in. I consider also to relocate my car 2nd. spare wheel to the van and take one 2nd. Row rear seat out. Safe weight make space. Leaving wife and kids at home is NOT an option here for you mate….. Would be interesting to see some more good ideas spared from you and your audience here in the commences. I have learned allot from you and selected related good commences to get the overall picture and possible solutions for my final setup to beat the GVM war! Have a nice day and keep the sunny side up. Cheers Lea

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate. Some good points mentioned here. Particularly about sharing some of the weight to the new van. Moving things like fuel, water and spare wheels to the van is definitely an option and something we will consider when we finally have the full setup. In terms of axles weights, yes it was something I didn't talk about here, I just didn't have access to systems that could do this for me. But they are very important to consider. Again this is something I'll try to re-visit once we have the full setup. Hadn't thought about removing a single rear seat and could definitely be something I look into. I might be doing something in the Lithium space on the vehicle soon... nothing to extravagant though. Cheers, Nathan.

[@Wilbargosh]

There comes a point where you tow a good quality single axle box trailer and move some weight ie water, fuel and luggage across. This is what the Australian Army does.

[@pen1910]

check the 4015 upgrade .. i have been informed it does not increase your rear axel weight capacity , but does increase your front .. this was from ARB themselves .. I have the exact same set up as you .. only way you can improve the rear is jmax set up at an eye watering cost of $19,000.00 .... would love you to prove me wrong tho

[@XploringOz]

Yes, there is so much to consider with the weights issues. 19k is going to be out of almost everyones budget, that's for sure!

[@snoordman04]

Now that is a lot of weight there 😮.. I hope the combination with loaded car and van won't exceed you GCM.. what could you do if so? Great video as always mate, can't wait for the new van.. cheers Nathan🤙🏼

[@XploringOz]

Sure is mate! I hope so too, I'm thinking there will be a fair bit of culling some of the 'over the top' comforts that we can maybe do without 😂 Cheers mate

[@chrisgraham1179]

Good video mate Suggest you stick with the lighter spring and running the airbags as you have been. It’ll be horrid with 600kg when not running with your max payload

[@XploringOz]

I sure have considered this. But considering the vehicle is loaded with 800kg of weight without a single item in the vehicle, I'm thinking it should be alright. I keep quite a bit of gear in the vehicle for everyday use, which I'm sure would add another 100 or kg as well. I'll definitely think about it though. Cheers, Nathan.

[@holgermuller2987]

Hi guys I run the plus 600 kg rear springs and loaded without the caravan is just ok. My van ball weight is 300 kg. I would not go to 400 kg springs plus helper air bags. If the 600 kg does not work out for you (borrow a set and try) consider airbag men full air bags in the rear. You got the arb air compressor and tank in the lc already so the set is not the full montey and with the remote controlled version you can level the rear as required. Will be my solution to fix it. Cheers

[@moto4x4adventure9]

Bloody great content as always. Many thanks for the effort. I went with the AEV 4.2 GVM upgrade SSM, before first rego. BTC of 3.5T is maintained at 4.2T GVM. Please tell us about your van, at least some clues. It's been about a year already and we have no idea... My Titanium arrives in February 👍

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback 👍 I'm jealous of the pre-rego upgrades, something I can't do with my one. I'll see if I can do some clues on the channel form time to time leading up to the handover. I know it's been a while, trust me its killing me. I know that it will be worth waiting for! The Titanium are great vans, which model did you end up going for?

[@moto4x4adventure9]

@@XploringOz I went with the 21.6 Hardcore with Cruiemaster XT Air suspension. Extra water, solar and lithium. 👍

[@XploringOz]

@@moto4x4adventure9 Yeah awesome, that would be a great combination!

[@guitarslinger2837]

Quality work again…. Cheers

[@XploringOz]

Thanks man, appreciate it.

[@nrmjessop1257]

Insurance being cancelled is also a problem if the vehicle is over the GVM.

[@XploringOz]

This can potentially be an issue that needs to be considered for sure. Cheers.

[@bigfishfishing-111]

I'm at 3310kg so I'm left with 40kg for my wife. Either she has to diet or the car had too. I'm to selfish to stop eating junk food so the 200 just got 100kg taken off it. In the process of gvm with original Dobinsons mrra kit I got done in 2020. I just found out 3650 gvm upgrade is the biggest that can be achieved with that brand on a 200. I could start again for 5k and get a lovells or Pedders as an example and get 3800 or 3875 gvm. It sux to go to that kit and lose the resivour shocks of the Dobinsons. They are really great shocks. I've got no choice but to stick to what I have and just get the 3650 gvm. If I was to go my number 1 choice it would be Kings but out of my budget and going Bp51 and $1700 on top for engineering it's just way to much. Atleast for $4800 for lovells or Pedders that comes with compliance plates in case others wanting to know. The others don't for some reason post rego

[@XploringOz]

For sure, there isn't a huge range for GVM upgrade for the 200 series and the ones that do exist aren't exactly most people's first choice for suspension. It can be a bit of a choice between comfort and legality... I hope it all works out in the end though and it works well 👍

[@chadingerson6354]

I just stick my head in the sand , seems to be working so far . Na got a pajero sport which has a payload of around 7 hundred kgs . With a ruff estimate we are well under cvm but like yourself don't think there is much wiggle room with gvm once fully loaded for camping

[@XploringOz]

Haha, I reckon there would be a few people out there who aren't joking 😬 Yes, I hear you. The weight adds up quickly!

[@tallica8145]

Hey Nathan, have you ever thought of upgrading to lithium batteries? DCS do a 200ah and 260ah under bonnet lithium setup. This saves a bit of weight in the car, also get a 2000w inverter and that will power induction cook top. That way you won’t have to lug around the blueetti generator you have. Just a thought? 3 grand for the batteries though but they are meant to last 6x the life of an agm.

[@tallica8145]

I just looked up, 2 x dcs 100ah batteries weigh 26.2kg the average agm (1 battery) weighs 28kg. Plus the weight of the generator

[@XploringOz]

For sure, have thought about this and have some plans coming up (albeit not DCS). There are reasons I have chosen not to go with DCS, not because of any issues, but just given our requirements and I'll definitely cover this in a video coming out in the future. The DCS setup (and removing the Bluetti/generator) would definitely save a significant amount of weight though!

[@jedmagoo4943]

Great video mate. You're aftermarket wheels (very nice btw) are most likely rated to match your new GVM but my std Toyota wheels don't have a published load rating according to a Toyota dealer I spoke with. I suspect they don't want to be held responsible if a wheels fails on a vehicle that has a GVM upgrade in excess of the std 3350kg. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong.

[@alrefaei82]

You may consider selling the cruiser and get ram 2500

[@XploringOz]

It has crossed my mind, but I have several reasons as to why I will stay with the mighty cruiser for now! Cheers.

[@SUPERTRUCKER166]

Rams have the same issue, infact its worse if you want to keep it registered as a car (4495kg gvm) If its LR rego'ed (5200kg or 5800kg) then its not really a problem.

[@XploringOz]

@@SUPERTRUCKER166 For sure, the vehicles are still very heavy! The LR or heavy license doesn't worry me, but those vehicles just aren't my style and probably wouldn't do some of the tracks I do. But great option for those long term touring and spending most of their time on open roads.

[@adamj1299]

wow... and no food.....better change the beers to cans ! interestingly your thoughts are to increase GVM rather than decrease the stuff you take and see what you can do with rather than nice to have .! ASPW is going through lightweight concept as well...perhaps get a HINO :)

[@XploringOz]

I'm hoping to do a bit of both, reduce what we take and maybe look at increasing GVM. It sure is a fine balance.

[@ADayInTheLifeOfJames]

Ripper video Nathan!

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate 👍 Appreciate it

[@ausguy4385]

Hmmm the Lovells 4t kit also makes GCM to 7500. Keeping the 3.5t towing.

[@XploringOz]

Do you know if that is available in WA post rego though? Cheers, Nathan.

[@ausguy4385]

@@XploringOz it's available post rego in SA. My understanding is we are similar.

[@XploringOz]

@@ausguy4385 I'll definitely look into this! Could be a good option for me. Cheers

[@lappingozoffgrid]

Thank you for creating the vid

[@XploringOz]

No problems mate, glad you enjoyed it 👍

[@richardbaldwin5490]

Thanks Nathan, what an opener this is. PS I like your wheel carrier , is it something you custom made or purchased, it looks trick. Thanks Richard 👍

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate. So the wheel carrier is made by Kaymar, but I've added the water supply myself. I've got a detailed video on these mod's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJmok6eJnsdjj8k Cheers.

[@jcv551]

Hi Nathan It’s annoying when you spend $100000 plus on a new car and you immediately have to modify in order to stay legal even just for the basic’s. the landcruiser is 7 or eight seater so you’re close to being overweight just with fuel and passenger’s. Landcruisers are great overall but there gvm is not. Great video as usual, thanks again for sharing.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, I hear the frustration. I'm under the impression that the LC's are a little over engineered for their quoted weights. I'm hoping this is the case and it seems to be performing quite well to date. Thanks mate, Nathan.

[@Adhdroamer]

So glad I came across this video. It would also be interesting to see what the difference in weight would be if you had a 4495 gvm vs a ute chop with a 4495 gvm. Also could you go to 4495 gvm Post rego?

[@XploringOz]

Would be very interesting to see how a ute variant would stack up. I guess the majority of weight in those vehicles is from the large modified canopies people run. Unfortunately in WA we are very limited to GVM and GCM upgrades after initial registration... who knows 🤷‍♂️ The 4495 is not an option for my vehicle now... Cheers, Nathan.

[@Adhdroamer]

@@XploringOz wow did not know that. So I'm guessing getting it done out of state wouldn't work either. Well you've done well with what you got

[@XploringOz]

@@Adhdroamer Yeah, it's extremely frustrating, but it is what it is... Cheers 👍

[@adamtaniasargent1386]

Morning Nathan.. Great vid and yes totally agree with you as there is a lot of 4WD owners who do not know or who turn a blind eye.. Just a quick question. Was there a weight saving from the standard exhaust system to the modified you are currently running??

[@XploringOz]

For sure mate. I couldn't believe how quickly the weight added up and I'm fairly conscious of my weights too. I could imagine plenty of people just adding everything for the purpose of adding it, without thinking about some of the consequences. So unfortunately I never actually officially weighed my exhaust, so I can only speak from experience by way of handling the install. In my opinion the Manta exhaust felt lighter, I put this down to the fact that it has one less muffler, which was quite heavy on the factory system. Cheers again, Nathan. 👍

[@Mick_4591]

Another informative video Nathan. No brake/ transmission/cooling work carried out given the GVM upgrade? Cheers

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate. So yes, aftermarket brakes fitted (massive difference), have had a transmission tune done previously, adjusting shift point and line pressures, but no, no cooling work completed and doesn't seem to be required at this point. Cheers.

[@Mick_4591]

@@XploringOz Will you be uploading videos of your upcoming trip?

[@XploringOz]

@@Mick_4591 I hope so, but some of the plans are already changing 🤦‍♂I tell you, I'm looking forward to the end of COVID!

[@craigbennett541]

Hi Nathan what type and brand of rear wheel carrier do you have installed? I have a long range tank and have been driving with no spare for quite so time and i am sure it will lead to a problem if i dont add a spare to my 200 seires.

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, so this is made by Kaymar. I had mine purchased through and fitted by ARB, however I have heard that they might not be stocking them anymore. I'm sure Kaymar themselves would be able to point you in the right direction if you were interested though. Cheers, Nathan.

[@DRTYWKND]

G'day Nathan. With your rear wheel carrier, does it affect your rear sensors? I have 2020 Sahara and Kaymar have told me I can not install the wheel carriers without the bar due to the rear sensors that need to be relocated. How does yours perform?

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, so I'm probably not the best to comment. I had the sensors disable quite some time ago and they aren't something I ever use. Looking at the system, they may still work with the 3 remaining sensors, but I couldn't confirm. Cheers.

[@roscoewheeler3634]

Good video. I would be checking the weighbridge. And also am check out our cruise master weigh in videos, he has similar stuff and only weighing in a lot less. I don’t know how he manages it with a jmax rear end. Something not right. I’ll be getting multiple weigh ins when I’m done to get a accurate figure.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, weight bridges can sometimes be out a little. I usually try and find registered weight bridges which are often a little more accurate, however this is all I had access to this time round. Will probably revisit this subject when I have my full van setup ready to go.

[@SUPERTRUCKER166]

@@XploringOz Local tips are the go to for a registered weighbridge, should be a list on the internet of all the registered weighbridges in your area.

[@XploringOz]

@@SUPERTRUCKER166 Unfortunately not a whole lot of option around my area in regional WA. Particularly when using it multiple times during different setups.

[@darylephillips6778]

Very informative Nathan so many people forget that the weight includes the weight of Mum Dad Kids and dogs keep up the good videos . But with GVM upgrade how do you go with insurance if you have accident ? I hear there is some conflict with insurance companies paying out on upgraded GVM

[@XploringOz]

For sure, it's very easy to underestimate these weights. I guess this would be like any aftermarket accessory. There will always be some debate, but each company will have their own policy regarding these weights. Cheers.

[@EduardoMartinez-bu3hj]

Great video on a very important subject. By any chance do you have indication on fuel consumption on and off-road with the car fully loaded?

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, glad the video was helpful. Obviously there are many things to take into account for fuel consumption, but on average about 15L/100km on-road and about 17L/100kmh off-road. Cheers, Nathan

[@tonytaylor3308]

Thanks Nathan. This is such a helpful YT site. So far I have only been able to confirm my towball weight is 10% of van. Is it possible to increase load carry capacity of my 200 a bit without a lift? I don't have drawers fridge etc in this one. Cheers TonyT

[@XploringOz]

Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback. I do believe it is possible. Companies like ARB do offer standard height springs at higher weight ratings. I can't comment on whether they offer their GVM upgrade for these kits though, but it could be worth making contact and seeing what they say?

[@tonytaylor3308]

@@XploringOz thanks for that Nathan. I will follow up. Looking to keep it as simple as possible. Less is more. Looking forward to seeing the new van. Keep up the good work.

[@astra686]

You could work out the 3 items you use the least or ones that arnt important and remove them

[@XploringOz]

For sure, I'm thinking some sort of cull has to come soon. I know the van will help the weights out in the cruiser significantly. Cheers, Nathan.

[@jaimedrumm4380]

I hope you're able to get that 4 tonne upgrade recognised! How much would it cost to get a stock standard 2014 Sahara to the level of modifications you have made? All the best for your big trip you mentioned before you get your new caravan!

[@XploringOz]

I hope so to mate! Otherwise a big cull is going to be required. Hmm, that would be hard to estimate. I've probably wasted a fair bit of money on things that I have replaced or upgraded due to various reasons. But I would say about $35k... not a cheap exercise. Cheers, Nathan.

[@arielle_australia]

Hey Nathan, this is excellent. Thanks for the transparency. Weights are a b*tch. Where are you right now?

[@XploringOz]

Cheers mate. They sure are... and surprising quick to add up on these vehicles. Unfortunately we haven't started our travel just yet, however we based in WA, about 1.5hrs south east of Perth. Cheers.

[@SenorTucano]

Very surprised you don’t have twin spare tyres.

[@XploringOz]

Yeah, never needed them. I've lived all over the state and been in regional (some remote) for the last 10 years and only had 1 tyre I couldn't repair with a repair kit. If I was doing to the CSR, I would carry a second, but the weight is just too much...

[@garryfleming4816]

Hi Nathan, can you tell me the brand of your single rear wheel carrier please?

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, the tyre carrier is made by Kaymar and installed by ARB 👍

[@barrybarfield2397]

Can you advise me please - what is the Brand of the spare wheel carrier on the rear of your 200 series? Barry , Qld.

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, so this is a Kaymar rear swing away single tyre carrier. These can be purchased through ARB stores and stockists. Cheers, Nathan.

[@PhilTaylorPhotog]

Please update us if you can get the ARB gear re-badged. I have the same 3845 setup.

[@XploringOz]

For sure mate, I'll keep the channel viewers update. Cheers

[@happyknife8785]

Good stuff, easily the most overlooked thing when it comes to 4wd'ing, don't worry about a fine, worry about the day you're in a big car accident and kill someone and they weigh your vehicle after and see that you were over your payload, or you roll your vehicle going around the corner and you had 120kg's on the roof when your 4wd only allows for 70, note: most Dual Cab ute's like Hilux, Triton ect roof capacity is only 70-80kg, this has very little to do with physical strength of the roof but roll factor and centre of gravity, if you're over that, roll your vehicle and kill someone, say hello to the inside of a jail cell.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, the criminality of it definitely comes into play here as well. Ignorance isn't a defence in Australia. Cheers, Nathan.

[@xidengmao429]

Where did u get the spare wheel carrier m8?

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, this is made by Kaymar and it was supplied and fitted by a local ARB store 👍

[@robgardiner9054]

Hey Nathan, great informative video on an issue that impacts a lot of us. Just wondering if you could fill me in on the rear wheel carrier? I've had a look online but there's not a lot of singles without the rear bar as a pre-requisite. Your's is a nice, neat bit of kit and I'd like to see if I can find one for my 21 Sahara.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, many people would be shocked to see how heavy their vehicle actually are! I have heard a rumour that this bar may now be discontinued, which would be a big shame if it has been. Although I haven't confirmed this, I would recommend contacting an ARB dealer to see. ARB stockist and dealers are the authorised fitter for these bars and should be able to provide the most up to date info. Would be interested to hear how you go if you wanted to let us know? Thanks, Nathan.

[@robgardiner9054]

Thanks Nathan. I’ll check that out with ARB and let you know how I go.

[@XploringOz]

@@robgardiner9054 Sure, let us know how you go. I'd be interested to see if this rumour is true.

[@robgardiner9054]

@@XploringOz Hey Nathan, checked this out and ARB don’t have them anymore but Kaymar do supply one. They’re pretty costly though so I’ll have to start saving my pennies 🙂

[@XploringOz]

@@robgardiner9054 Thanks for letting me know. Interesting to hear that ARB don't stock them anymore. Wonder what happen there? 🤔

[@mienoljianol7203]

What brand suspension you have under the 200,seem to hold the weight of the 200

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, I'm running the ARB BP51 suspension. Heavy duty front springs, 400kg constant rear springs with airbag helpers. Front diff drop, adjustable rear pan-hard rod and front UCA's.

[@mienoljianol7203]

@@XploringOz how do you rate the bp51? Would you buy it again?, in the market for a new shock atm, good video mate, hope you get your gvm upgrad

[@XploringOz]

@@mienoljianol7203 Hey mate, so I released a video this morning with a large portion of it dedicated to issues I've faced with the suspension. However this being said the issue were primarily fitment and technicians that worked on the vehicle. The suspensions itself has been fairly decent and so far met my expectations. Would I buy again? Not sure, I would definitely do some more research on the market to see what else is out there.

[@sstoneman5020]

This is always a subject not considered enough. It's surprising how little payload you have when you add the family into the equation. Have you looked into the off road weight carrying capacity of your truck's roof and rack? I was shocked to discover I could only put 35kg on my roof, and that included the weight of the rack.

[@XploringOz]

Absolutely, there is not much loading capacity at all. Yes, I have actually done a full video on the roof rack taking about the ratings and limits of the cruiser and rack. Fortunately I get a decent rack loading on the cruiser with this setup 👍 Cheers, Nathan.

[@andrewdurbidge1283]

Can you confirm from Toyota whether a full tank of fuel is included in the GVM, or at least part there off.

[@XploringOz]

Hey mate, I'm assuming you mean the Tare wight being the starting weight. I found this definition for Toyota themselves: Tare Mass: is the mass of a vehicle (other than L-group vehicles, such as mopeds, motorcycles and motor tricycles) ready for service unoccupied and unladen with all fluid reservoirs filled to nominal capacity, except for fuel, which shall be ten litres only and with all standard equipment and any options fitted.

[@andrewdurbidge1283]

​@@XploringOz Thanks for your reply and clarification. Well done with your channel. Your doing a great job with your content and delivery.

[@XploringOz]

@@andrewdurbidge1283 Thanks mate, appreciate that and glad you enjoy it. Cheers.

[@andrewdurbidge1283]

Just noted this on Toyota's web site which states Nominal....Does that mean full or 10 liters? .."Kerb Mass (or Kerb Weight): is the mass of the vehicle in running order unoccupied and unladen with all fluid reservoirs filled to nominal capacity, including fuel and with all standard equipment." May have recently changed.

[@rikialwaysright]

Hi, just wonder where can I get the same rear-wheel carrier? how much fule do your car cost per 100km?

[@XploringOz]

So this wheel carrier is made by Kaymar and can be bought from most ARB dealers in Australia. Fuel, not so great on my vehicle. I'm averaging about 16-18L/100km...

[@rikialwaysright]

@@XploringOz thanks for sharing the info, my does 14--16L/100k sounds about right

[@XploringOz]

@@rikialwaysright Yeah, they aren't the most fuel efficient vehicles... but worth the drive!

[@mikeburns8959]

I have a 200 Sahara and have a Lovels GVM and GCM of 7300 kegs certified and plated You didn’t mention that you have a GCM upgrade

[@XploringOz]

Very nice. Unfortunately I'm unable to get a GCM upgrade post rego as this is something that needs to be done pre-rego. Very jealous of the 7.3 GCM though, would be very handy for those who are towing. Cheers, Nathan.

[@mikeburns8959]

@@XploringOz there must be different rules in Western Australia as I had mine done post rego Mine is a 2013 Sahara and I only had the upgrade done in 2019

[@XploringOz]

@@mikeburns8959 Hmm, I'll definitely look into this...

[@boymeetsbush8232]

Shocked at the empty vehicle weight. It seems high by 200 kg.

[@XploringOz]

It sure is high, but there are quite a few accessories mounted to the vehicle and I guess it all add's up. The fuel and water (and the tanks) add a significant amount of weight! Cheers, Nathan.

[@jeddadog1689]

Manufactures payload/GVM is such a problem. Using a complete stock vehicle, Fill the tank up and have only the driver in it take it onto a weight bridge. It will already be 100’s of kg over the weight stated weight on the rego papers to start with leaving very little to play with. Its so confusing…..

[@XploringOz]

For sure, this is so often the case with all manufactures, not just Toyota. It can be a little misleading and not great for us who modify their vehicles. Cheers, Nathan

[@AP-ow5vu]

That snorkels got to go.

[@XploringOz]

Haha, it’s not the prettiest thing, but it’s one thing that makes my cruiser unique. And filters the intake supply too 👍😂 Cheers, Nathan.

[@dustyfarmer]

Are the flies bad there or are you flashing your latest Kung Fu moves every now & then?

[@XploringOz]

Bit of both?

[@pauladams4890]

This makes me scared to weigh my 60…I’ve got WAAAY more gear than you fitted.

[@XploringOz]

Yeah, I know the feeling mate. I think I was feeling that way on the drive to the weigh bridge. Crazy how quickly the weight adds up!

[@musokid89]

shoulda got a RAM truck or something

[@XploringOz]

It's something that I've given some thought to, however just not something that would suit our trips. Cheers.

[@stendecstretcher5678]

Beer is heavy.

[@XploringOz]

Hmm, yes but I'm not sure that's going to make the cull list 😂

[@aulord80]

The numbers for a cruiser are a embarrassment

[@XploringOz]

I'm just glad these things are over engineered and these figures are often underestimated.

[@bobklincke4671]

Opps accident

[@warwickbourke]

I feel she’s being judged a lot. It’s just a little winter weight, she can slim down a bit lol.

[@XploringOz]

Don't get me wrong, I've got no complaints with how she goes. Absolutely beast of a vehicle! Does everything I ask and more. I would like to be official legal as well though. Cheers, Nathan.

[@warwickbourke]

Yes, she’s definitely a beast I’d be happy to have. You can’t ask for much more. It’s a very well thought out and built vehicle. The fines they throw at you these days just aren’t worth risking. Can’t wait to see what kind of diet you put her on. Cheers.

[@XploringOz]

@@warwickbourke For sure, I'm sure I'll be able to get rid of some things to keep it legal... just a hard process deciding what those things are going to be. Cheers.

[@warwickbourke]

Fingers crossed you can get the revised GVM upgrade sorted which will help a little and then move a few bits and pieces into the van should help a little more. It’s too hard to decide what to leave behind. No matter what you take out you’ll wish you’d kept something. Cheers.

[@dale8535]

600 kg payload for a seven seater in standard form is pathetic on Toyotas behalf. Overweight doing the family shopping.

[@XploringOz]

For sure, I'll agree with that! Particularly for those who modified there vehicle and head remote!