The Lethal Company War Theory

[@minaxa]

Hello everyone! After the official release of v50, I do have some stuff I need to clarify that was fixed between the beta and now. Sigurd's inclusion in the Old Bird's entry has been removed. This means the discrepancy was not intentional, and Zeekers simply made a mistake. So much for that! On top of that, it seems the shadow that shows up behind you in the opening cutscene has also been removed. I don't know how *that* could've possibly been a mistake, but who knows... Anyways, that's all. Thanks for watching!

[@Jackin0ff]

How would the shadow dude be a mistake? im guessing he just didnt like the idea of him so he just removed it?

[@chicken999.]

hes still there for me

[@AfraidWinter11]

where liquidation moon at?

[@izeamarr]

YOOO I JUST REALIZED THO PEOPLE LIVED ON DIFFERENT PLANETS AND MOONS WHICH MEANS IN SPACE TIME WONT MATCH UP JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFEEEEE I CRACKED IT

[@izeamarr]

LIKE HOW TIME MOVES DIFFERENT IN SPACE AND HOW A YEAR IS ALSO TECHNICALLY A REVOLUTION OF A MOON OR PLANET TO A SUN.

[@Bopl_]

Perhaps after the first Sigurd died his name was used as a code name for anyone who questioned the company?

[@ExtantPerson]

That makes a lot of sense

[@gameshoww2606]

That would work best as an answer to the given knowledge

[@Chonkems]

Considering Sigurd (or Siegfried) is a name in German legend, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a codename, since it is fitting for someone leaving logs behind to try and help others. Sigurd could also technically be a group of people following in the original's footsteps. (Off the top of my head, similar to Perseus in Black Ops)

[@godfreyofbouillon5634]

Yeah like a Dread Pirate Robert's situation.

[@darthgonk5648]

A Martyr of sorts

[@glm_9555]

I like the idea of the old birds being the antithesis to coil heds, because it would make sense too that the coil heads would only survive inside the facility where the birds can't reach them - and that's why coilheads don't go out of the facility.

[@BlueStopSign]

9:30 19:55 Sigurd's danger level and his advice on the Old Birds were recently removed in one of the recent patches of the Update 50 beta. I believe it was simply an oversight by Zeekerss Great theory though! The correlation between Old Birds and Coilheads is awesome

[@revolutionofthekind]

Oh damn. Well at least rhat solves one proboem

[@emeryduhgamer]

Huh, well then it seems that it’s either a lore contradiction or the Lethal Company universe has an even more major divergence as its stated in the description of the Old Birds that they were first sighted invading the capital (or something of the sort) of a space empire, so unless this is simply a game oversight then humans must’ve been in space way earlier (like 1940s-50s, if not earlier, considering when Sigurd is alive). Edit: after further watching the video, it must have been a game oversight, as there’s no way Sigurd could’ve seen them when they were first sighted in 2143, unless he saw some sort of testing planet.

[@DToTheB]

@@emeryduhgamer everyone kinda assumed space travel got invented way earlier in lcs timeline, and yeah the sigurd thing with the old birds was a mistake on zeekers part

[@shoobzy3431]

@@emeryduhgamer I mean when sigurds crew start working for the company the planets are always abandoned and in ruin so honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the moon landing happened in like the 1700's or something and then it took them like 200 years to really start exploring space and setting up bases before whatever went wrong and lead to them abandoning the planets

[@ligma6992]

@@shoobzy3431 perhaps in this timeline the roman empire survived.

[@ExtantPerson]

Someone said that the Butler is likely a bloated corpse controlled by the hornets.

[@Bruh-pk6ei]

Supported by the fact he pops in 1 hit if stabbed by a knife, compared to the several hits from a shovel

[@TheWalkingMeme360]

Definitely

[@SpriteCranberryReal]

Yup

[@davisjian8250]

@@Bruh-pk6eithe butler only takes one hit no matter what weapon if he has his knife out.

[@Fatigue023]

@@davisjian8250 No this was changed, when the butler chases you, he takes two hits, and when he isn't, he takes like 5 hits

[@wizardly9211]

My biggest theory I myself came up with is, the Bracken is also supernatural. Not only that, but the Bracken we see in game is the same one from Sigurds logs. The way the Bracken vanishes into "shadows" on "death" just screams super natural. I believe the Bracken doesn't truly die whenever it's "killed", instead, vanishing in order to reform somewhere else. Also I think it's really cool the way The Old Birds are clearly a direct counter to Coil Heads in a war situation, really cool way to expand the entities

[@Like.a.boss.]

WAIT GET THIS MAN SOME ATTENTION, in greek mythology its said that monsters disappear to reform and then they come back so this really could be true. But hey thats just a theory, A GAME THEORY.

[@slurper5300]

solid idea however this is kinda messed up via gameplay there being more then 1 possible

[@jambott5520]

​@@slurper5300 The monster not permanently dying in lore does not necessarily mean the same for the game. In terms of gameplay, only 1 braken can spawn per day. Lore wise this could be explained as it taking a while to reform itself.

[@lightningfinger]

didnt it say in the brackens bestiary log that they go through some sort of fast metamorphosis or decomposition or smth?

[@Fatumity]

@@lightningfinger yeah, there is probably multiple seeing as they're part of a whole species and they never found any bodies since they decompose really quickly

[@foncess]

I think the mansion maps are probably just supernatural as a whole and not related to the war. People usually don't build giant homes and libraries in super cold and inhospitable places (especially when they're busy warring for resources), and the fauna section for both rend and dine says "it's highly unlikely for complex life to exist here" which makes me think whoever wrote them doesn't even know what's living in there. They're just supposed to be scary and mysterious instead of part of the larger picture? At least for now

[@Mintybird]

My personal speculation is that they're supernatural not because the location itself is, but because a bunch of rich people wanted to hide from the war and brought their expensive and rare curios, many of which were cursed, and resulted in the deaths of many.

[@foncess]

@@Mintybird I like the idea of the mansion moons being a complete mystery, but that’s a good explanation. Nutcrackers could’ve been like an expensive security product since the bestiary calls them “the guardians of the house”, and we see so many there because only the rich could afford them

[@Mintybird]

@@foncess That and butlers being caretakers of the house, likely long dead alongside whoever owns the property. The fun part is getting to speculate and toss around explanations, even if it never gets revealed!

[@foncess]

@@Mintybird I wonder if the butlers are also man-made? Like they’re supposed to be alive, but they behave in a sort of robotic way, and exploding into bees when it dies is a weird defense mechanism for a creature to just evolve. Everything about it seems to exists to serve and protect the mansion itself instead of prioritizing self-preservation. We’ve already seen monsters that are organic with man-made armor (like nutcrackers and maybe coil heads since they bleed), so what if it’s the opposite? A living thing engineered to maintain the mansions and chase out intruders at all costs, even its own life.

[@Mintybird]

@@foncess I personally take to the idea that the Butlers, being described as "smelling like rotting meat," might actually just be controlled by the hornets inside as a hive of sorts. The reason they might do so is to lull prey into a false sense of security, stab them with the knife, and then scavenge off the corpse created, only attacking the Employees because either they're much less threatening than anything else they could attack, or they have a sort of symbiotic relationship with other denizens of the mansion, keeping it as a clean living environment for everything else in exchange for protection/not getting attacked by everything else. The corpse may have slowed its decay because the hornets maintain it, possibly preserving it with a wax coating, which won't stop it from reeking or bloating from the bacteria already inside, but will probably stop outside elements from getting in, and maintain some of its outward appearance for an extended period of time. The log implies it's another recent discovery like the Old Birds are, which could mean they haven't had the time to fully decay yet with that maintenance. It's gross yes, but it could end up making a lot of sense regardless of the origin of the house tilesets.

[@waspoptic]

I'm gonna go off on a limb and propose that the Company is completely separate and unrelated to the greater conflicts of the universe. The Company's sole goal is to find scrap and bring it back to HQ, supposedly to (feed the beast) sell later. The Company has thus existed for many many years with hundreds of thousands of employees coming and going. Sigurd worked for them back in the 1960s, we work for them in the 2300s. It'd explain why Sigurd ended up on moons we know, yet they were somehow 'recently discovered'. It'd also explain why we encounter Cola soda cans and bottles, old cash registers and hair dryers, while also finding advanced technology. Additionally, one of the biggest benefactress of any conflict are those companies who salvage and repair lost or broken stuff. The Company has thus been around for years, waiting for conflicts to occur before swooping in to salvage stuff. They did so in the 1960s, they did so in the 2100s, and right now after whatever the last major conflict was in 2300s. Its just bad luck when their employees encounter still active weapons of war... Thats at least my two ¢

[@Dazzybhoy31]

Kinda like the S.C.P foundation? How they sit in the shadows watching as they do what they need to discreetly?

[@harryblockser]

maybe the company has been causing the wars, if theres no war then theres no scrap. its probably too expensive to mine it to feed the beast, so they incite wars over the years for their profits.

[@RubyRedAllOver]

My guy that is a whole dollar

[@TheAquaAuthor]

@@Dazzybhoy31 Corporate entities operating in this way are referred to as 'Clandestine', and yes you could say that both the Company and the SCP Foundation operate in a clandestine manner.

[@ladyhella7560]

That has always been my theory, give or take it.

[@jaredgray4987]

Just an idea, but could it be called the “fading nebulae” because it’s planets/stars are slowly getting eaten up by Jed/the Beast, therefore becoming more dim overtime?

[@Tysbot]

Is Jed it's actual name or is a fan given name?

[@Mothbean]

​@@Tysbot I believe it's just called the "CompanyMonster" internally, but someone started calling him Jeb and the name stuck. In fact, the wiki even had the page for the thing listed under the name "Jeb" for a while before it was changed to the actual one.

[@codyjackson8648]

Theory: They are headed towards a calender reset in the same way that BC went into AD for our world. That way, you could have the Old Birds discovered, and Sigurd talks about them much later in the timeline in 1968

[@Joshuathegreen]

Yeah, I always assumed that the year system starts when The Boat colonises the Fading Nebulae, and that for Sigurd, that was 1968 years ago, and thats why advanced technology exists for them before man even went to the moon.

[@ulyssebully5816]

and what's more, the day and the year don't last the same length on most irl planets, it makes sense to have a different calendar

[@voldemortii5544]

@@Joshuathegreen that would explain Sigurd being immortal and going to planets before we land on the moon, but the technology we have in the game seems like it fits ~2400 AD better than it fits ~5000 AD, i think the best explanation is we simply found space travel much much faster in this universe and there are multiple people going under the name of Sigurd

[@ewezyr]

alternatively, there could multiple different calendars being used, with the calendar used by sigurd being different than the one being used by the person writing about the old birds, so it could actually be happening around the same time, just recorded differently, plus the calendar has 6 days in a week instead of 7, which by itself shows that time measuring methods in game are different from real life. also there's already been mention of the company being shady and possibly even malicious, so I don't think that much of a stretch to imagine that some of the dates were fabricated.

[@krel7160]

@@voldemortii5544 Equally, with the company being what it is, and the wars that have been fought.. It's entirely possible that you're dealing with a Mechwarrior situation where humanity set itself so far back in conflict that previously ubiquitous war machines and scientific advancements are now considered lost tech

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

I love the fact that the one entry not written by Sigurd is absurdly detailed. It shows that he was not very qualified to write them

[@DaGamingCore]

With the war theory, maybe the mansions were used as housing for employees/soldiers? Considering Rend, Titan, and Dine primarily have mansion layouts, maybe those moons were largely used as housing. Perhaps these mansions were even attacked in the war, and thats where the supernatural enemies come from.. Maybe they were even shelters of some kind, considering the Ghost Girl.

[@Chonkems]

Mansions as militant housing makes no sense, though. Not only is it expensive, but it's pretty much useless. Barracks are simple and easy to get into and out of for a reason irl.

[@Tractorman502]

Titan has a higher chance of the factory interior compared to the mansion, I like your idea just wanted to say that.

[@Chonkems]

Mansions being purpose-built as barracks or shelters doesn't make much sense. It'd be expensive and unnecessary for those purposes. Maybe repurposed, but even then, there's a cabin on Titan, iirc, which implies people lived outside the facility at one point.

[@Tractorman502]

​@@Chonkems The cabin is located on rend,

[@DaGamingCore]

@@Chonkems I admit it's not the most solid theory

[@WobblesandBean]

The timeline thing seems obvious to me - the company is cloning Sigurd and the others. That's why they seem to persist for centuries, that's why they don't remember anything past joining the company, that why the company gets really mad if a teammate goes boom and you don't bring back the stiff. It's not to "notify the family", it's cuz they want their property back. When you sign that contract, *_you_* become proprietary. Humankind is dwindling, and they need workers. You do the math.

[@redsentry9785]

So then are we playing as Sigurd? or is he in another ship also doing scavenging runs

[@harryblockser]

@@redsentry9785 both

[@A.please_insert_witty_text.M]

The Sigurd section in the Old Bird entry was an accident by Zeekerss and got removed, to pair with that, Bunker Spiders had a date changed to around Sigurd's time period as well.

[@RubyRedAllOver]

​@@redsentry9785I really like the idea that the player is Sigurd or one of the others

[@GAMER32231]

actually sigurd writing the entry for the old bird was a mistake by the dev and sigurds involvement in that has now been removed and is not cannon

[@benagix]

Man this guy deserves a lot more. He is so good of a creator i always wait for his videos to come out, he is just that good

[@brunomenna5211]

The Sigurd thing with the Old Birds,I think he was one of the first to spot them,way before The Boat ended up finding them,and since he was stuck to the company the same as everybody else that ended up working for the company,he couldn't spread word about it,just writing in the logs as the first thing about them, probably under another name,and the company just put the new description and the name "Old birds" when they got their hands on it,before having only Sigurd's notes about them.

[@A.please_insert_witty_text.M]

The Sigurd section was a mistake on Zeekerss' part, it got removed at some point in the beta.

[@thediam0nddrag0n78]

I believe after Sigurd's crew inevitability died, they kept making clones, each one losing their memories. You're just playing as the most recent batch of clones

[@borntoyeet1320]

bro I just made an entire thing on what if Sigurd is a clone and then I scroll down on the comments only to see you said the same thing as me 20 minutes earlier lol

[@Nutteredbutter]

It could be possible. But you guys are also forgetting that time speeds up in space, who knows, that could be why the minutes fly by so fast on each moon and time flies by quick. Of course it’s a game and you can’t go by real time but they aren’t on earth. This could be according to our time. It’s possible for someone to live for over 100 years especially if they’re in space.

[@MovingUp7]

Clones makes sense. I mean after 100s of years... where are they finding new humans to take this job??

[@Goby-c4l]

I like the theory but in the logs they mention a new guy that replaced rich after his death. How could he be a clone

[@thediam0nddrag0n78]

@@Goby-c4l did the logs ever mention the new guy's name?

[@no_face_guy]

Maybe sigurd is like the brotherhood from 1984 in a sense, giving hope to the employees that they might overthrow the company eventualy, but only really existing to keep moral up.

[@edgee7665]

This game is such a collection of potential theories. About Sigurd: I don't think his memory is wrong since different sources align with similar dates. Either there's more than one "Sigurd", or the dropship's ability to travel near light-speed causes time dilation (time moves slower for us as we travel 'instantly' between moons. Minutes to us may be months, years to an observer) Mansions may be for families of the high-ranking facility overseers on the remote locations. Were the facilities run by Buemoch? The engines and giant bolts, etc - parts for Old Birds? Butlers may be bloated corpses used by the hornets. Are they really hornets? Circuit Bees are nanobots imitating bees. Can the hornets read and mimic the memories of these once-living humans? If Anglen made the Coilhead - did they make other psychological / "pseudo-organic" weaponry? The Nutcrackers, Jesters, Bees / Hornets, maybe even the Mimic? Turrets, mines, old birds, facilities - all fit thematically. Nutcrackers, easter eggs, etc don't. These things are meant to cause fear out of typically harmless things, and being hunted by a "mannequin" sounds terrifying. Imagine hiding in a cozy sitting room, hearing frantic pitter-patter behind the door where you saw your loved ones slaughtered. Or a family suiciding together to prevent making more coilheads. May explain the ghost girl, though The Beast / 'Company' also represents a Lovecraftian 'abyss' whose influence slowly corrupts the mind and fabric of reality as it grows and consumes.

[@diamondan5721]

You can hear a nutcracker shot in the opening cutscene, so they probably made those

[@crysu533]

maybe since v50 is still in beta, zeekers might add something so we can be able to use some sort of noise playing or VERY powerful flashlights to “kill" coilheads. which me, as a high quota runner, would save me alot of time.

[@fluffcat1351]

*flashbangs*

[@crysu533]

@@fluffcat1351 oh yeh i forgot about them, but maybe for a longer time and since the logs say that coilheads especially are sensitive to these they could have a greater affect? idk im just yappien

[@DragonuFear]

@@crysu533 stun grenades and radar booster pings are basically what the lore is referencing- it stuns the coilheads for a whopping 15 seconds, far longer than the base 5 second duration. It only resets them, it doesn't damage them permanently.

[@Fatumity]

@@DragonuFear if the air horn stunned them or the shotgun shot noise 😭

[@ВеселаКорівка]

cutscene seems to be a bombing, i was under bombing a couple times and when bomb dropped, all starts shake and exactlly the same sound

[@voldemortii5544]

i was not expecting that to be your explanation lol i hope everything is okay where you are

[@catpoke9557]

@@voldemortii5544 Sounds like it isn't okay there, or at least wasn't

[@barkingsandwich]

same man

[@Imirui]

19:42 I definitely do believe that the danger level for Old Birds was not made by Sigurd. Maybe he left a guide on how to make them we can’t access, (we don’t need to access it to make one, literally eyeball how dangerous you think an entity is) but I don’t believe the guy lived like 200 years working for the company.

[@OskarCzechowicz-OmniMusician]

This! The danger level is **what Sigurd would have assigned **

[@jaqaivisjames9971]

Yesss more Lethal company lore Broooo. Your style of videos are the only ones that works for lethal company. The music and eldritch vibe it gives meals me wanna know everything about this game

[@Oceangamer-7230]

One Lethal Company theory stated that all the crewmates are dead because of the life support UI when you die. It also states that the company recovers the bodies to give them life again. This would explain why Sigurd was alive for 170+ years

[@Dazzybhoy31]

It’d explain why your punished so harshly for leaving bodies behind, that’s a permanent loss for them and 1 less person working to keep Jeb (Jef? Jed???) happy and fed

[@Oceangamer-7230]

@@Dazzybhoy31 Yeah yhe punishment was also taken to account in that theory

[@midnight6274]

nah sigurd being alive for 175 years was a mistake by zeekers

[@arandomyoutubecommenter728]

Does that really work when they bother taking back the empty suits that happen when you get killed by the slimes? Or other variations where the body gets heavily damaged like with the coil head death?

[@declan2775]

@@arandomyoutubecommenter728 or the fact that you just get ejected if you don't meet quota. Why would they do that if bodies were a valuable resource?

[@themangolorian4074]

I think the opening cutscene is an attack by the old birds, not the first one on the anglen capital but another one. If you pay attention you can hear thumping at an interval and the cries of a child, 2 signature things associated with old birds. The computer does expire on the date before the old birds landing, but thats just the copyright. If this is a war both sides would be using whatever they had including centuries old worn down computers, similar to how some militaries use more analog devices to prevent spying due to how hard it can be to access these. You are playing from the perspective of an anglen military scientist on artifice (or a similar moon) late in an october during the war when old birds attacked, it explains the hospital as it was an anglen military outpost where they couldve restocked and helped civilians

[@borntoyeet1320]

Maybe Sigurd isn't human. What if he was a clone line of humans or some other creature. Maybe even your whole crew are just the same clones as Sigurd and his crew were. That would explain a lot. How when you die on the job, you just come right back on the ship. Why the company doesn't care about your wellbeing. Maybe you aren't coming back. Maybe it's just your clone uploaded with your memories before you died, and when you fail the company they can just do a hard reset on you and start over. That would also explain the amnesia that Sigurd seems to have. The company is trying to do a reset on him but he just keeps making quota, so instead of doing a reset when he's dead, they try a reset while he's alive. Or this could be completely wrong but hey isn't that what theories are all about.

[@1758]

it doesn’t make any sense and since it’s tautological it could be applied to any other game

[@fluffcat1351]

@@1758 no, I think it has *some* value to it. the cloning thing would certainly explain why the company fines you for not retrieving the bodies, since it means they need to fork out extra resources to make a new one. as for the memory though, I think it's just that the clones decay over time due to being somewhat unstable, so dementia sets in from the brain damage accumulating

[@diztinger]

yeah also the bodies of employees are really lightweight

[@1758]

@@fluffcat1351 it's just a gameplay mechanic to balance the game's economy and reward the player for taking the risk. It's like saying that in Payday 2 you play as a clones too because you can respawn and also get cash-rewarded if you revive your teammates; so making a theory based on a game's mechanics is a dumb thing to do. Ofc aint sayin that subop is dumb, he might be just young. What is important is that theories are based on substantiated data, not tautological facts.

[@fluffcat1351]

@@1758 the payday 2 example makes no sense. you never "die" in the game, you're shown as being taken into custody, in which case it makes sense why you would be rewarded for reviving since it avoids bail or hostage exchange costs also, since fuckin when does something being a gameplay mechanic mean it's not relevant to the worldbuilding? next you're going to tell me that because the terminal is a core gameplay mechanic it can't add to the lore

[@kino_Kk]

My theory is that either A: The different societies have a different time correlation, being that different planets keep track of their years differently which is why the times are different. Or B: the crew you’re currently using are just the same crew with Sigurd, , they’re just really efficient at their job so the company keeps them alive somehow. Over the years, they’ve just so old at this point their don’t remember anything but to get scrap. Dying in the game is just a game function, but canonically they’ve just never failed., that or they somehow escaped after all that time

[@Genius_O-Clock]

Pros gonna be the matpat of lethal company

[@diamondan5721]

Theory about the glitchy man in the intro cutscene: YOU are the spy. And you just found out. Also, you can see the coilhead run away before the lights turn red, and hear a nutcracker shot.

[@MotherGapshin12]

I wonder if we will ever get a moon with an actual population, it would be interesting twist to the lore if we had a moon that still had humans. I find it hard to believe though that a company or army would make nutcracker, jester and coilhead considering how elaborate their designs are, I mean if I was corporation designing weapons I would make them as bare and simple as well as utilitarian as possible like mines or turrets. My simple theory is that the ghost girl is the child of that mansion's owner and the butlers are some sort of engineered biological entity made to serve the mansion's owner, I do also like the idea that whoever is the owner of the mansion is also a high-ranking member in the interstellar politics considering how jesters and nutcrackers and maybe even coilheads are so childlike I wouldn't be surprised if their designs were based off of this person's daughter (Ghost Girl) toys and drawings.

[@thewoodpeckers655]

I believe that the reason things are only recently getting discovered again is that both of these empires were completely obliterated by their war. There was a separate English faction that seemed to play a third party role in the politics, and perhaps considering the state of Lethal Company’s world when we play, it’s likely that they were also caught in the crossfire and were almost all killed too. Only hundreds of years after it seems after they rebuilt their civilization, that’s around when the loop of lethal company we actually play with happens. I probably missed some details, but I think this is a pretty decent outline for a theory.

[@swagathan5]

If I'm not tripping, I believe the English are only mentioned in the 1960s dates. Anglen comes much later. Also, note that the "Anglo" prefix is often used to describe things pertaining to England. Also note that England is the ONLY Earth country explicitly mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if the Anglen Empire was some sort of English successor state.

[@through-faith-alone]

the Angle empire are the villains, they are the ones that encountered the Boat, which was the vessel that carried the Company (monster) and is responsible for the creation of the other monsters. The Anglen made a deal with the Company, and created the various paranormal weapons they were planning to use to take over everything with terror. The Buemoch did not know entirely what was going on but they must have gotten jerked after initial terror attacks on their colonies by the Anglen. They started developing weapons to counter them. To the dismay of both, the Company had played the Anglen, and it was revealed that it had unleashed terrible bioweapons on both of them on its path, and took over Earth, while the two Empires were busy fighting a war against each other. Everyone perished in the aftermath and all that's left is a shell of civilisation. The Boat stopped being important and all of humanity is subservient to the Company monster, which is kept and fed on Earth, in a place the Anglen made to house it.

[@through-faith-alone]

to add, this is probably an allusion to capitalism and its effects on the world, it makes sense as the Anglos are responsible for the overwhelming spread of capitalism, which has turned back to bite them in the butt, and has made them and everyone subservient to it

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

It could be a thing where different civilizations have different ways to count years

[@ulyssebully5816]

make lot of sense

[@deletos7463]

It may be time dilation. It is known that time is relative to the location you are in the universe, and depending on the proximity you are from certain celestial bodys, time moves at insane speeds relative to you. Lets say you deside to orbit a massive black hole or similar phenomenon. From the surface level info I've seen, 1 year near the blackhole could make "time" travel at 80x the normal pace for you (80 heckin Years). And this can get much faster the closer you are to the event horizon (Other factors include size, shape, and type). One thing im particularly interested in is the Beast having similar characteristics to a blackhole. It would explain the sudden time jumps despite the team being (presumably) normal humans. Especially sense they are close enough to it to hear and interact with it (technically). Just my one cent on the matter.

[@sweetpassionrose]

I think the player plays as a clone of Sigurd, it would explain the time dilation between the old entries. Every time Sigurd has been cloned, the Company made him a blank slate of his old previous self minus his memories. Since in order to feed this creature is to have disposable clones working like machines. And since the creature feeds on metal and things of value. It wouldn’t be so far fetched if the Complete found a way to cut down on making machines/robots to save those materials in order to feed. Since the creature doesn’t particularly eat anything biological exactly. Plus with the way they simply disregard the crew so to speak, I highly suspect we’re playing as clones. Also along with the diary entries and sticky note makes sense to be there for the next clone to read and make new entries on what they encounter. I could be wrong since it’s just a little theory. I must say though, I really like how you’ve structured and took the relevant entries and parts to bring to light the subject at hand. I do very much agree on about the coil heads and the old birds that you’ve highlighted and shown is absolutely outstanding~!🎶✨ I am honestly looking forward to more of your theories and videos~😄🌸✨

[@Gullible_Idiot2423]

My theory is all the dates for the logs are different because the logs are being documented on different planets with each year and month varying between planet to planet, that or Sigurd is just using the date and year of his home planet making it easier for him to keep track of time so he doesn't go crazy. This is a good possibility for Sigurd knowing about the old birds while his notes are dated so long ago in the past.

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

"The Boat" sounds like a reference to "Noah's Ark"

[@fanOfMinecraft-UAs_channel]

Jester is 100% supernatural and not man made, and the butler feels like some mutated thing posessed by hornets, but it's still natural

[@A.please_insert_witty_text.M]

Yeah, I feel like Jesters and Nutcrackers are both an unexplained mystery that most people in this universe don't know about. Butlers are weird and even Zeekerss has stated that it felt more like something that could be in his previous game, The Upturned (which is a really cool game by the way).

[@joshuajarret6907]

It is very possible that Sigurd was able to be alive to both write his logs and write for when the Old Bird was discovered. Considering how speed affects time, he most likely just aged slower due to constant high-speed space travel

[@Zakeh15]

I feel like we shouldn’t discard the mansion and everything in it like nutcrackers or jesters or butlers because it seems so complex and has something deep hidden in it that we haven’t figured out yet

[@cakosmess]

9:39 my personal theory for that is although the first *known* sighting of an old bird was centuries later, what if sigurd encountered some whilst exploring the abandoned moons? this makes sense because he clearly doesn’t alert the public (and probably doesn’t have a way to) about the butler or jester that don’t have data entries, so he wouldn’t do the same with old birds, and so the public never knew about it until centuries later.

[@mousepixi]

lethal compy

[@kresimirsoldo7199]

Yep compy I'm your compy 😁😁

[@TrashGoblin824]

lethal lappy

[@kresimirsoldo7199]

@@TrashGoblin824 little happy 😁😁

[@DeployedN]

💀💀💀

[@deadpocke]

i actually cant wait for when lethal company is finished, with an entire completed narrative

[@valeriucb6497]

Honestly considering how we get feed whenever someone dies on a moon makes me believe the company just...has the technology to bring us to life and the lowered fee if we retrieve the body is for their teleporter which we also can get access to, so to me it always felt like we were sigurd's crew , probably memory wiped too , forced to do endless work for the company.

[@arachnatango]

My personal theory is that when Sigurd and co. signed up to the company, some cryogenic stuff went down and they were only 'unfrozen' when needed, meaning Sigurd still thinks that it's 1968 even though its actually been a couple hundred years (yes I know this is incredibly far-fetched).

[@freefarz-q6p]

The Calendar really seems to just be a meta refrence because october twenty third is the release date of lethal company

[@ScrappySlowbro]

I just came up with a theory similar to your old bird coilheads one (tho not as strong as yours). Coilheads were designed to destroy nutcrackers. Nutcrackers can only see movement, which coils work around by stopping when seen and nuts are weak in their neck, which coils destroy as seen in the player corpse model. The destroyed arms could be to stop it from shooting if the first part fails

[@samherken]

I have some theories for the, "supernatural" monsters. For the nutcrackers and jesters, some sort of alien had taken over decorations/toys to hide and use as protection. Then the ghost girl is death from mental decline due to her mechanics being phycological and her not being seen by others, and being unscannable. Finally the butler is the hardest one to figure out, but my beat guess is that it could be a corpse being controlled by the hornets (as stupid as that sounds).

[@destroyerofturtles5024]

I think the butlers might be some kind of artificial servant.

[@samherken]

@@destroyerofturtles5024 Yeah, and the knife could be a simple, yet affective, defense. And the butler explodes upon death, so the hornets could be fuel that reacts violently, like igniting gas. And using bugs as a fuel source isn't outlandish because circuit bees exist.

[@lifeisbreadbrosbutbetter9132]

The idea of Butlers being artificial servants and home defense mechanisms seem the most likely I have an idea that Coilheads were the remains of superhumans(explaining the ridiculous height and bod) repurposed via hollowing out and replaced with mechanical bits. Jesters and Nutcrackers are probably a similar case to Coilheads, where they were bio weapons, but using a parasitic species or something, or maybe a Frankenstein kinda thing going on

[@aq_ua]

​@@lifeisbreadbrosbutbetter9132 I own a Butler for home defense, since that's what the Company intended.

[@lifeisbreadbrosbutbetter9132]

@@aq_ua this guy gets it

[@Deadlyspark]

Alternate theory. The coil heads were manufactured on artifice by the buemac empire, however the broke loose from the facilities and cause mayhem. This required a new machine to counter it and regain control, with the added benefit of it being handy for war. This is why there are no records of its creation, as it was never meant to exist in the first place Main clue I use for this is the starting cut scene being at a desk loosely similar to that found in a warehouse on artifice This can also explain the only recent discovery of coilheads, cause they could have largely been countered by the old birds before ever being discovered in the first place

[@chaseredford5047]

I actually have a theory on how the mansions could be important. With the war going on and how things had been going, they needed places to stay besides the facilities that were on other moons. They also needed a way to get away from war itself, seeing as how it had all spread to other moons. Well, this is why they built the mansions, for people who couldn’t or wouldn’t fight and just wanted to stay out of the war. I also have theories on the creatures inside, including the Ghost Girl and the Masked. Number on is obviously the Nutcracker. They’re not called the “Guard of the House” for no reason. These creatures were most likely created, or were spawned, to…well, protect the mansion. They would walk around, leave people alone, stuff like that. They guarded them. But, at some point soldiers would come in and start taking people out. They’d found the people who were just trying to take shelter. Which, in turn, set the Nutcrackers off. The Nutcrackers, having gone on a complete rampage and killing both people inside and soldiers, they became hostile toward any living human that they came across. This is probably why we hear a Nutcracker firing in the background of the opening cutscene of V50 after the alarms start and the Coil Head escapes. Second is the Jester, which is honestly pretty hard to explain. My theory on it is that the Jesters were created to entertain children at the mansion. They would start winding when they heard crying or fighting or something like that, and either scare or comfort the kids because of how big and menacing they are. My other theory that goes into this is that the Jesters we see now didn’t have the face and stuff that pops out long ago. They probably had some sort of mechanic inside them that showed a clown or a dog, or something of the sorts. But, when soldiers came in and started firing, the Jesters went APE. Using the blood and bones of the people that had been murdered, they gained a resentment toward humans and used these human’s bodies as a disguise to cover up their original form so they wouldn’t have to look back at it all. Third is the Masked, which is also hard to explain. My theory is that the Masks themselves are possessed by spirits of people that had died inside the facilities and just want to be free, which is why they take over your body and in turn find their one way out. The Masked then goes to try and find another person to infect, which puts a spirit inside of a mask on them as well, allowing them to escape their torture of being bound to a Mask for the rest of time. Fourth is the Ghost Girl. I’m assuming the Ghost Girl is, obviously, a little girl who had been murdered during a raid and is now a malevolent spirit that goes after one person at a time. Maybe this little game had been played with her, and that’s how she died. With multiple people hunting her, one after the other, her hiding from them before eventually being found and killed. Fifth is the Butler. They could have been created as a way of trying to make a person who would help them live and keep clean. But, the Butlers, having gained the ever common trope of “butler murders master”, go on and take the lives of many when they are alone. This allows them to live in secrecy of what they truly desire while blending for the most part with the people inside. The reason they have a swarm of hornets inside is beyond my knowledge, but I assume it is a source of power for the body of the Butler. I’m unsure of if any of this would be correct, or has already been debunked, but I truly feel that some of this is a little correct. I just wanted to point out some things that I thought it of.

[@A_Stormworks_gamer7269]

Man dats a lot of text

[@chaseredford5047]

@@A_Stormworks_gamer7269 You don’t say… Yeah, I was just trying to explain a lot of what I was thinking better. 😂

[@pedrokka04]

22:34 Fun fact: October 23rd was when Lethal Company launched

[@nullstudios2989]

I saw an idea somewhere that iron lung, lethal company, and Ultrakill take place in the same universe. But I for one think that they’re variations of the same one. Each with a horrible end for humanity.

[@funkey6737]

I really don't see Ultrakill but there could be an argument for iron lung

[@smallxplosion9546]

5:15 is nobody talking about how *_clean_* that kill was?

[@FireBossWatching]

i was more focused on the Minecraft music in the background. I thought I was going insane but the rest of the video has mc music too.

[@Demonslayer-dt9dl]

Sigurs' danger level could be just an adopted way that crews used to assess the danger of enemy's

[@shurikengaming47]

Sigurd probably lived to be able to tell about the Old Birds bc the company has the ability to infinitely revive the workers even if they die or if their bodies are left behind. The one thing with this though is that Richard got replaced by a different worker instead of just being revived

[@Pretzil_Qat]

17:18 i personally think the mansions were used as nuclear bunkers. this would explain the room with the giant screen in it, since (i believe) most if not all nuclear bunkers have screens that either display the outside or project something to feel more like a real home. This would also explain why all the tier 3 moons are snowy, desolate landscapes, with the nuclear bombs disrupting how the climate naturally is.

[@KingJackofJakistan]

it was truly a War... A War without Reason...

[@josh7352]

22:33 the day the bombs dropped in the Fallout series

[@moltonvods]

i love lethal company lore videos!

[@progamerj01]

I love lore videos in general :D

[@weirdocatguy2167]

my idea is tha siguards logs became a sorta cliff notes within the company with people adding "siguard logs" to convey important info

[@Goby-c4l]

I think the company monster was the ultimate weapon capable of destroying planets but when the war ended it like the other monsters where still around still hungry for destruction.

[@bensamsmith2922]

My theory is that the opening cutscene is the first old bird attack 20:45

[@chucklenut7974]

Could it be the reason coil-heads don't move when they're looked at is because they are made to counter nutcrackers?

[@pyroball602]

Possibly. Nutcrackers seem to be security machines, so an effective killing machine would have to get around them. Thus, Coilheads stay still in the sight of a Nutcracker tracking movement.

[@sirthanksalot97]

The butlers remind me of this silly D&D monster - an animated suit of platemail piloted by a hive of honey bees. They'd use the suit for protection, then work as its "muscles" to ward off predators. I wager the butlers are something similar, a natural creature just masquerading as something that "fits the scene" to blend in and protect their hive.

[@TheGalacticJester]

22:34 fun fact! lethal company was released on the 23rd of october, i dont know what significance this has for the story, but i just thought it was neat.

[@youknowitinenglish8714]

Anyone notice how some moons, when you load in, some moons say population: abandoned. Meanwhile some other moons like titan say population: none.

[@zefft.f4010]

The most realistic and mundane explanation I can think of for the date discrepancy is that they aren't using the same calendar.

[@WobblesandBean]

24:00 How cool would it be if that were Sigurt? Maybe he's found a way to "hide" in time, like a pocket dimension where time stays still. Might have something to do with that device in the warehouse you can't do anything with yet.

[@casuallyundead3679]

My personal theory is that LC takes place in some sort of time looping pocket dimension, where we play as the 4 original crew from the logs, and when we fail to meet the quotas, the monster resets everything. Maybe the monster lured the 4 into the job, took them to said pocket dimension and now they're forever trapped repeating the same job over and over. The radiation from scanning seems to be the main cause for the memory loss, but what if memory loss is also a side effect of being reset so much. Time keeps moving outside the pocket dimension and so the monster potentially updates the time stamps on the computer and stuff

[@hasechoward2928]

I love your videos! You should look into the creepypasta known as Tales from the Gas Station. I feel its one of the best works of writing when it comes to the genre. Its so deep and cynically horrific.

[@robbiquigz2748]

maybe why sigurd's name showed up in a log from 2143 newer log is that the "company" is keeping the workers alive as in freezing or magic maybe thats why his name showed up in the log (idk i might be wrong)

[@chronomize]

The coil-head leaves its post in the opening cutscene, and you can hear a coil-head kill sound and shotgun blast after that as well

[@kobraslayer8082]

A point that could be made about the mansion maps and the supernatural. As we may not know now due to logs or info, it could be that these are merely due to the psychological torment of the individuals that embark on this journey. They always start off on small and risk averse moons, that slowly become more and more dangerous along with encountering more horrifying things. Thus, it could quite literally be the workers on this ship end up losing their minds entirely.

[@JohnTeddyShishi]

based on how these moons were used for resources, would be cool if a new interior was basically like an underground mine

[@TheWalkingMeme360]

The boat is probably a reference to The Ark. I think it is either an organization like the ITDA, or it could be a ship used for colonisation

[@LiveOrcaReaction]

WAR??? OLD BIRDS MEANT TO COUNTER COILHEADS?? sounds like ultrakill to me here

[@Eruditica]

A great war..

[@Sundance967]

I’m only at 6:30 rn but my guess for the jester is that the box it’s in is for protection and/or to lure the victim into a false sense of safety or whatever, I guess

[@Graves933]

I think the employees kept writing logs long past sigurds death

[@Ofi141]

The sigurd log is fix now theres no danger level (if i remember right)

[@Busters2005]

I just kinda thought of this, it was said that the coilheads tend to combust whenever there opened up right? And the Old birds also have a flamethrower and they grab the player and burn them to death. That was probably yet another way the old birds would take down coilheads. I mean this doesn't add anything really new to the discussion but I thought it was a cool detail that kinda clicked for me

[@duncanquan5471]

I personally think it's more on the supernatural side as to why sigurd's able to be so far in time discrepancies, time travel, perhaps his ship just flew too close to the event horizon of a blackhole and was time warped, or some anomaly just flung them into the future, it makes the most sense to me.

[@DaFigureYT_2024]

hold up a person that never dies, while having memory loss?!?! D-9341?!?!?!?!?!?! WE NEED MATTY PATTY BACK!!!!!!!

[@mecksee]

If you want to get super scientific with it, time passes a lot slower for one undergoing space travel. So if the time stamps are in reference to a specific location, and Sigurd is traveling vast swathes of the galaxy, if you stretch quite a bit it is possible for the time to pass at that specific location much faster than it did for Sigurd. Think of interstellar as a good theatrical example. This is the only way I could imagine Sigurd being alive while also the logs having such a large time discrepancy.

[@Why_so_salty]

I haven’t been this invested in a games lore, sense Matpat’s Minecraft theory’s and lore videos.

[@CyanSythe]

I think I have a theory about the date thing in the old bird logs, Sigurd simply copied and pasted a record about it from somewhere. Im backing this up with the small detail in the Jester log where he says it doesn't have a record. I think Sigurd is finding data chips or even found a book about the monsters in one of the moons. Sigurd will then either leave it be or slightly alter them to his knowledge of how to actual deal with them

[@DoctorAids]

Sigurds name may have just been passed along as a name for someone who either distrusted the company or was a veteran who knew what they were doing, and "sigurds danger level" may just be something given to known dangerous creatures these veterans have encountered.

[@Lastered]

I think a third alternative to "Sigurd is 200+ years old" or "The dates are wrong" are another calendar year system. What if just like we use B.C. and A.D. in our years there was another large event which they based their years off of. So its possible that 2234 After Death = 1968 After Monster or something

[@TheStuffedIguana]

2 ideas about sigurd and his age - 1- sigurd is a pseudonym, and is passed down to those filling the database. 2 - sigurd and all other crew members respawn when they die. Literally.

[@lightningfinger]

i get a little spooked that the population for all moons say none or abandoned just imagine that a new moon releases, and as you're flying in, you see the population part have something like mild or large.

[@DamienLee]

Anglen and Buemoch fighting each other when they could just hug it out SMH!

[@ExtantPerson]

Holy sheißer, Damien from Emkay plays lethal company?

[@agocs6921]

In the v50 opening cutscene you can hear a nutcracker shooting

[@milkandcookies5574]

Sigurds presence in the old bird bestiary could be some new employee playing along as him after reading the logs just as a troll

[@Snyper077]

22:28 For the calendar in the cutscene, it is important to remember that Lethal Company was released on the 23rd, so that could be all it means. Also, the shadow figure looks like Rick Astley, right? Am I the only one to see it?

[@Agent-8]

My theory is that Sugared had access to the logs after he left which explains the date discrepancy

[@Lev_Malygin]

24:08 "Time, mister freeman? Is it really that time again? "

[@Darzius2ded]

For some reason whilist i was watching this and when you talked about the shadow figure,i got a thought that the shadow is someone going to do something to Sigurd and that Sigurd is an Anglen

[@bibliothewizard]

Great video - Couldn't help noticing the Minecraft music in the background!

[@MrSnowman838]

22:34 I'm pretty sure that the 23rd October is the release date of Lethal Company but I'm not sure if it has any other significance.

[@Hell-Films1971]

It's kind of I had to put this. Interesting that these robots that work Autonomously. And they're still there. They can Still move their joints and walk around and actually do something. Why are they here? Who made them and why do they have these functions? Why are they called old birds?

[@AnotherIdioticEgoist]

Oh I never noticed the connection between Old Birds and Coil Heads, that's neat! Thanks for pointing that out There are some interesting details in the opening video Other than the screaming and explosion in the background, there are also sounds of bones being snapped & metal springs (Coil Heads killing people, perhaps include the one we saw in an adjoining room in the beginning), and shot guns being fired (possibly from Nutcrackers?) The shadow person was removed in the updated intro video, but we can still see the silhouette of a person being casted on the wall in fornt of us as they opened the door behind us and the light shone inside our office. So not that much was changed actually, possibly just for the sake of making everything more vague One more thing I saw in another comment, the Coil Heads might've been created to counter Nutcrackers, since they have the behavior of immediately stop moving after being "seen", this could explain why Nutcracker(s) appeared in a facility that was supposed to manufacture and test Coil Heads A weapon made to fight against a previous one, contributing to wars without reasons

[@Captain23rdGaming]

part of my theroy is thinking that Sigurd isnt a single person but an entity meaning that there is more than one sigurd. So when one sigurd kicks the bucket another one takes there place and picks up where they last left off

[@PGF1892]

I believe that the version 50 start up cutscene is from the perspective of a Beumoch spy trying to collect data about the coilheads. Maybe the figure at the end was an Angelen scientist / security guard / soldier that caught them stealing the data?