The Libertarian National Convention was wild | Reason Roundtable | May 28, 2024

[@Sammo212]

I am a libertarian. The LP never amazes me how hard they fight to ensure I no longer give them a dime.

[@dointime1]

I remember when there were libertarians in the libertarian party

[@karantov1]

"The Edible kicked in" Libertarians never change...

[@davidanalyst671]

They will forever pick the wrong candidate in order to be subservient to the Republican party.

[@dointime1]

They have changed quite a bit. they're not even libertarians anymore. You're very confused.

[@Matt-zg8os]

As a longtime Ron Paul libertarian, the problem with the party is that it's become a party of "we don't like that". Its philosophy is essentially based on negativity, not allowing for a cohesive unifying theme. "I don't like anti weed laws, I don't like this, I don't like that", When your overall central message is based on this, the party devolves into shouting matches. Instead, it needs to promote the actual philosophy of what it stands for. And what is that, exactly? It seems we lack the ability to communicate it very well to others. Are we going by the constitution? Are we going by some ambiguous definition of 'liberty'? Things need to be more clearly defined to move the party forward.

[@Porcupine19]

As a longtime Harry Browne libertarian, I agree with you. I left the LP after Badnarik ran and never looked back. I still vote Libertarian locally and state but the national party has long gone off the rails.

[@davidwiley8752]

Perhaps because the MC completely abandoned the statement of principles. The SoP is what the party stood for and needs to go back to in order to have success again.

[@SC-fu9if]

"Success again".... I guess I missed that one. Hahaha.

[@Nubenhoofer]

I agree, it's WAY too campy. The Mises and CATO microcosms are as ununifiable as the Republicans and Democrats. I think the WISE thing would be for the Mises Caucus to follow their own teachings of decentralization and leave the LP and form their own party. Maybe the Minimalist Party? Or if that is to negative, maybe the Fundamentalist Party, thats a FUN one...? Or the Foundation Party, where one's freedom can be FOUND again? Just spitballing here... Christ, it can't be that hard to find a better way... or at least better than the train wreck we have currently....

[@tarstarkusz]

The LP is run by people who think Ron Paul is a White Supremacist racist who is an overall badguy. It's a joke.

[@mdrnfinance]

This is a joke. You should have someone on your panel who is pro Mises

[@bobcobb7992]

They do sometimes. But this episode was more about subtly rubbing this win into the faces of the Mises people. A Mises person would get in the way of their spiteful little party and would also be pointing out that this win is actually pretty hollow because the Libertarian Party is getting more attention from the media than we've ever seen, but the attention consists almost entirely of mocking and bashing.

[@Nubenhoofer]

Mises Caucus should practice what they preach and decentralize RIGHT THE FUCK OUT OF THIS SHIT SHOW OF A PARTY, start their own Party with CLEAR, unambiguous core values for membership. This is the way

[@Chizad1982]

I will grant that Zach as at least reasonable on this. The others, particularly Nick and Katherine, are pretty ridiculous on holding onto this grudge.

[@faceplants2]

This victory lap is gross and unproductive.

[@MidnightRambler]

Reason are just dem lite

[@Matt-wl9gc]

This sum bullshit. Libertarian party went to shit.

[@MaxThaxton]

Could have been worse, the candidate who wants to vote for Trump could have won. We can't know who they vote for but Rectenwald seemed like he would rather vote for Trump than himself.

[@michadmochowski1246]

What a horseshit.

[@Rensune]

​@@MaxThaxtonthere is no way that nomination could've gone worse.

[@daviddavidson7836]

I'm a big Mises fan. Read human action, I've studied Hayek and Rothbard in academic settings. I'm voting for Kennedy, because the Libertarian party doesn't own my vote, and they need to learn that we can, and will, vote contrary to their wishes if they don't represent us well enough.

[@joshuaberry1329]

RFKjr is more libertarian than Chase Oliver. I don't blame you. I'm voting for Trump myself but I support your decision on RFKjr brother.

[@DennisConklin-e9s]

Kennedy is not in line with free market economics, and that is putting it mildly. He is a Keynesian through and through,

[@faceplants2]

For the first time in my life, I was seriously considering voting for the libertarian party candidate until Chase won the nomination. His positions on medical transitioning for minors and vaccine mandates are completely intolerable to me. Puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones are not reversible it's complete nonsense. I'll continue watching and supporting the LP generally. Hopefully they nominate a worthwhile candidate next time around. P.S. I can't believe Michael recktenwald would take an edible from a stranger before the most impactful address he would give at the national conference. This is why libertarians get laughed at and it's a genuine shame.

[@shanpai50]

I’m very disappointed with Libertarian Party

[@GermanicDottir]

Hello, why are you disappointed? I have some reservations, so I would like to know where your disappointment lies. 🤔

[@RobertWWD]

@@GermanicDottir Libertarians nominated a Communist.

[@FoodNerds]

@@GermanicDottirMe too

[@Medi0cre]

@@GermanicDottir Because the former president, current front runner, offered cabinet positions, was boo'd out the building. We were given an opportunity to be listened to by the main stream and treated like we were relevant. We then acted like clowns, and voted in Chase, a very poor representative of a libertarian IMO. More of a progressive. BTW, i'm not saying we need to support Trump, just not act like clowns. Even the Mises guy was high on brownies...

[@GermanicDottir]

@@Medi0cre I understand. Thanks.

[@Antitotalitarianrevolutionary]

Nick Galespy genuinely likes freeform jazz too much for me to take him seriously

[@joshuaberry1329]

RFKjr is more libertarian than Chase Oliver. I'm voting for Trump this year.

[@DennisConklin-e9s]

No he is not. RFK is a Keynesian. On the other hand, Oliver is a wack job. I will have to write in someone unfortunately.

[@DarkHorseSki]

I find the objections to the Mises folks running the Libertarian party to be weird. It's as if you don't remember just how stupid things were in 2020 for the party. And yeah, I'm voting for Trump. If it was RCV, I'd have the Libertarian candidate first, but Michigan is in play and I will vote for the candidate who was somewhat Libertarian over the one that is almost the definition of anti-Libertarian.

[@MaxThaxton]

Trump is authoritarian and an anathema to the libertarian project and Libertarian Party. They should have sold T-shirts of Mises caucus members licking his boot, instead of showcasing his hair.

[@classiclibertarian]

look at the bright side. right leaning libertarians vote for trump. left leaning libertarians lead the party and peel off biden voters.

[@skyfreak73]

"somewhat libertarian" 🤣🤣🤣

[@featheredfriend1310]

Valid point. To watch all the propaganda and the one party that's against, refuses to look at the actual facts. Instead they fall right into the misinformation because they suffer from TDS. I absolutely cannot comprehend how a group of so many who believe in truth- refuse to do actual research when it comes to Trump. I'm voting for him no matter what anyone says about him because he is innocent and once you see the lies, it's undeniable.

[@perfectlyGoodInk]

As mentioned at 21:28 and 25:48, Michael Heise had urged everyone in 2020 to judge them by their fruits. Membership is down, donations are down, and ballot access is down. Those are the fruits.

[@Fugazicrat]

This episode is like a bunch of MSNBC staffers doing a podcast about the LP convention.

[@fastingman4726]

Exactly. I thought I was a libertarian based on John Stuart Mill’s philosophy. But if these four represent libertarianism, no wonder both parties call us “lolbertarians” in jest.

[@PhyloGenesis]

12:45 that is not what happened at the speech. Why does everyone lie and pretend that all that happened was constant boos? It was way more balanced than that.

[@davidanalyst671]

Trump has no business at the Libertarian convention. We saw his budgets, we saw his speeches that divide everyone, we saw his tweets, we saw how he prosecuted Julian. Trump has nothing in common with libertarians,

[@chrimony]

Nick Gillespie is woke, not libertarian.

[@Marinealver]

Turns out Libertarians have 🦏Rhinos too!

[@MaxThaxton]

Because he doesn't like Trump?

[@willosee]

I disagree strongly

[@chrimony]

@@MaxThaxton Because he thinks cross-dressing men performing lewd acts in front of children as part of "story hour" is a libertarian value. Because he thinks open borders is a libertarian value. Because he supports cancel culture when some college sports team wrote some silly things. Because he trashed Thomas Sowell.

[@uncircumcisedcircus]

@@MaxThaxton He dislikes Trump more than Biden, that is an issue.

[@tonypalmentera7752]

If you can't handle an edible, you can't run a country lol.

[@Rametetr]

The reason roundtable panels always strike me as four people that live in their cars

[@stephenkasee650]

Chase has ensured LP will be less revelvent 3%

[@jonathanrichter4256]

I'm one of the serious and reasonable people in the Party and what I will tell you is that no 3rd Party or independent candidate will get more than a small percentage of votes (and then get blamed for being the spoiler for one of the majors) until we change our system of elections to one that features Ranked Choice Voting.

[@richdobbs6595]

Even if you have ranked choice voting, the representatives won't represent you. The fundamental problem is that we don't have any effective limitations on what issues should be decided by governments and what shouldn't be. If the 2nd Amendment says the right to bare arms shall not be infringed, why is gun control a thing? If the 14th Amendment forbids involuntary servitude, why have there been drafts? Ranked choice is better than what we have currently, but it is time to face it that representative democracy doesn't work. Time to try something different. It's fairly easy to imagine other democratic systems that don't feature picking one representative for all issues for a fixed period of time for a geographical district.

[@richdobbs6595]

@jeffschwartz4t.o.council-j132 That would work as a system, but apparently it won't work in the sense of displacing the existing system. People still nominally value democracy more than liberty. If Russia holds elections. That is why I think you need a better form of democracy than representative democracy to start the "withering away of the state".

[@richdobbs6595]

@jeffschwartz4t.o.council-j132 How is that working?

[@jonathanrichter4256]

@@richdobbs6595 Politics is the art of the possible. RCV is gaining momentum around the country.

[@jonathanrichter4256]

@jeffschwartz4t.o.council-j132 While I do believe there is a plurality of Americans would would support "less" government, I don't believe more than 10% of America would ever support "NO" government. And since they are anarchists, 90% of them don't vote. And Rectenwald suffers from social anxiety disorder (i.e. speaking in front of crowds makes him nervous) not exactly the guy you want campaigning around the country.

[@kimberleywarren8679]

Too bad rechenwald couldn't stay sober for a weekend.

[@Fugazicrat]

Nick says the LP should be more politically correct...that's how the LP wins in his mind.

[@MaxThaxton]

Did he say that specifically?

[@kjellbjrnasmo480]

Has he gone woke? Sure sounds like it... I thought he was somewhat good on wokeness

[@craigdennis4210]

I guess this is example of beltway libertarians

[@caelanhardwicke3174]

Good episode but would respectfully disagree with most of you here I am sorry to say (libertarians disagreeing? never..). I think MC truly represents libertarianism, far more than Chase Oliver. No personal disrespect to him but has seemingly conflated his socialist and neo-Marxist leanings with libertarian philosophy (which many libertarians seem to do and end up falling into the woke fog that has captured a LOT of the left - and creeping more into the right now as well, especially with regard to Israel). He can have his cultural views (of course..) but those cultural views are NOT libertarianism per say, think its important to distinguish. He might be a little too good at "politicking" for a libertarian..(I joke). Apart from strategy, questions regarding abortion and immigration are key differentiators between the caucuses but it really just comes down to different interpretation and application of the core libertarian principles. Personally, in terms of libertarian positions on abortion , I have yet to find an argument more honest, scientifically, logically and philosophically strong as presented by libertarian anarchist Kerry Baldwin. In summary, sometimes, honouring NAP and natural laws may lead to a conclusion opposing left leaning socialist outcomes that the LP has become so accustomed to and those shouldnt just be disregarded. Trump had a few positives and also true he made some terrible policies and the booing was justifiable on those fronts. Biden has failed on literally every metric, zero redeeming aspects to his presidency. Dave Smith is 100% right, Chase getting nominated was fantastic for Trump! Unlikely, Chase will get widespread LP support in terms of votes and his appeal to "normies" is a bit of a ridiculous argument for his suitability as nominee.. It wont move the needle in any meaningful way, its more likely to just bring more socialist elements into LP (moving things right back to the state of pre-2022 MC takeover) rather than spreading libertarianism outward and actually influencing or educating people (which is what MC rightly want to do). Libertarians will never win at that political game Chase and so many prior candidates wanted to play, most dont really want to (because libertarians and politics arent the best fit..), they dont have the practice, to get to those high vote percentages would likely involve compromising on libertarian values and principles to even achieve, at which point, in worth nothing and may aswell be republican or democrat. Cato was mentioned briefly, just to note, Cato supported lockdowns during COVID. In my view, for them to cling to the title of "libertarians" I think is truly disingenuous after those events. It was fundamentally opposed to libertarian core principles, regardless of whether your Minarchist, Anarchist etc..

[@fooanonymous]

Great comment, wish I could like it twice.

[@gregrobbins6716]

Nice knowing you libertarians. Nomination of a pro peto Pro mandate candidate. Pretty much alienates you from a reasonable people.

[@classiclibertarian]

nominating someone with those distinctions is sure to peel off voters from biden's coalition 😊

[@billhartig4805]

He was pro mandate? Citation?

[@bobcobb7992]

@@billhartig4805 He's not pro-mandate. The media and commenters have been dishonest about him in a lot of ways. He supports the right of businesses to require vaccination and masks if they so choose, which I'm pretty sure is a standard Libertarian stance. It's disingenuous if not a complete lie to call that supporting mandates. I have a lot of problems with him, but it's because of things he has actually done, said, or supported. And while the media dishonesty certainly doesn't help, it is those actual problems that make this guy a bad candidate. The Reason type Libertarians brought a lot of this negative reaction on themselves and really squandered an opportunity here. I think this was more about beating the Mises Caucus than presenting a candidate that could bring positive attention to the party and maybe to get a bigger piece of the popular vote than usual.

[@billhartig4805]

@@bobcobb7992 Thats kinda what i thought. What are his policy positions that you disagree with? I don’t know much about this guy.

[@bobcobb7992]

@@billhartig4805 He is pro drag queen story hour, pro giving puberty blockers and hormones to supposedly trans minors and pro (trans) males competing against females. He is for open borders. He is pro-BLM. I do agree with the statement that black lives matter, but BLM as an organization is corrupt and the BLM cause absolutely does include a lot of dishonesty and those terrible riots of 2020, which I was and still am very much disgusted by. To be fair, a lot of this is the more cultural stuff and while that does matter, from a legislative point of view, he would definitely be a lot better than Biden and almost certainly better overall than Trump. He is very much anti-war and it seems like he's pro-2A and those things are important to me. It is possible I'll vote for him. Again, the media and commenters aren't making it easy to figure out what this guy is really about, but that will become clearer as time goes on. In short, at this point, I have a hard time supporting a guy who is so woke and supports open borders. I wish Michael Rectenwald had gotten the nomination. I really wish Dave Smith had run and won. Anyway, thanks for being curious. Keep looking into the subject, understand that there is a lot of disagreement amongst Libertarians, and try to look at things objectively.

[@yuriyanu2694]

Chase supports puberty blockers for kids. That isn't libertarian, and it's disqualifying.

[@WiseGuyGene]

This libertarian is voting for Trump. I can't stand him but it's no contest, and I know in my heart that Murray Rothbard would too.

[@mitchelltriplett7974]

Record deficits? Continued wars? LDs? I think Rothbard would laugh in your face.

[@RyanGunn]

Do you live in a swing state? Voting for a major party in a non swing state is throwing your vote away.

[@WiseGuyGene]

@@mitchelltriplett7974 Murray would hold his nose same as me, because 1) civilization itself is at stake, and 2) a tenth of a loaf is better than nothing, and 3) Trump would deliver that tenth unlike Republicans of the past. And BTW, I knew Murray pretty well and have a basis for my belief: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[@mitchelltriplett7974]

@WiseGuyGene Trumps first 4yrs says otherwise. Trump and Biden are the same.

[@songster7]

Unless you live in a state that is not already either red or blue dominated, your only worthwhile vote is for your conscience

[@canadianroots7681]

I let my Libertarian membership lapse due to a lack of seriousness in the candidates in 2020 (i was in TX at the time). If a candidate wants my vote, they need more than the boilerplate Libertarian talking points.

[@Whateverwhocares22]

The election of Chase Oliver literally is what made me decide to not officially join the party. If your worldview is decided primary by what you do with your penis, my answer is no. If you are super concerned about pushing DEI nonsense my answer is no. He is basically an activist lefty with some common sense economic beliefs. The treatment of Trump also certainly did not help matters. Childish behavior

[@paniaguam2]

Libertarian candidate wins a sweeping and shocking victory running on platform to remove KMW from the Reason podcast

[@MaxThaxton]

Doubtful.

[@jonathanrichter4256]

People HAD heard of Jo Jorgensen because she was Harry Brown's running mate in his second run for president. Harry's first running mate was Art Olivier, who jumped into this year's Presidential contest at the last minute. I thought he had some great words when he said that if all the candidates on that stage had run for a local office as hard as they ran for this nomination, they would win.

[@Lopfff]

You know how you hate it when your favorite comedian podcaster has an episode where he interviews another comedian and they just talk shop? And it’s fucking insufferable? Need I extend the analogy to its logical conclusion?

[@victorcastle5757]

You just described every episode of we might be drunk.

[@HowBoutDemBoyzz]

I actually love that exact thing. I saw Rick glassman and Mark Normand break down what comedy is to them for like 4 podcasts and it was great lol

[@WithstandTheStorm]

libertarianism is fallen

[@Guyvermectin]

Chase Oliver is a clown

[@leslierpeterson]

How did Matt not mention the use of the theme song from The Lost Boys in the South Park episode. Wonderful.

[@anthonycristo376]

As a debate teacher in San Antonio, I had my students critique the Texas LP Convention presidential debate from April 2024. Most of these students will be voting in November. They overwhelmingly chose Chase Oliver as their candidate. Lars Mapstead was 2nd with ranked choice voting. Mike Ter Maat was third, but he received the only other first place vote besides Chase Oliver. The students said Rectenwald came across as, "that crazed uncle who claims he was abducted by aliens." The Libertarians chose the best possible candidate to appeal to Gen Z voters and voters outside the Libertarian Party.

[@bobcobb7992]

Oh, so a bunch of high school students who have likely been at least partly brainwashed by the woke public education system chose the woke Libertarian candidate. Pretty compelling. And a big shout out to you. You're obviously doing a great of teaching critical thinking and debating skills to these kids if their main critique of Rectenwald was a petty personal insult that has absolutely nothing to do with his political views.

[@eduardobranco8349]

​@@bobcobb7992 it is compeling. Those are the kids that you need to convince. You cant win with the half a dozen people that agree with you

[@bobcobb7992]

@@eduardobranco8349 It's not compelling. Obviously we need more people than we already have in order to win. Woke kids are not the ones we need to convince. They are going to vote for woke candidates/left-wingers. These kids didn't choose Oliver to be President. Nothing in OP's comment indicated they did or would. They chose him to be the Libertarian candidate.

[@tann_man]

@@eduardobranco8349 young people hardly vote and their demographically smaller than boomers. To win elections you have to convince the elites with money and the geezers.

[@Macca-95]

@@eduardobranco8349 So the libertarian party should pander to the left wing indoctrinated youth of today and no longer be fit for purpose?

[@iPhi-YT]

on this episode where the failparty constantly talks over each other and panders to the left... gee i wonder why this failboat sank so many decades ago.

[@songster7]

I unearthed the speech I gave at the 2000 LPCon in Anaheim, endorsing NOTA for POTUS and explaining why, in about 4 minutes. It is NOT at all how the MC folks tried to use that power this time. (If you are curious I can post the CSPAN link to the that entire day's proceedings which are kind of fun to watch anyway. My piece happens at the 00:07 thru 00:11 mark)

[@AtaraxiaaixaratA]

I find it hilarious Katherine thinks there is 'confusion' about the LP & the right. SMH. The LP was spawned out of the RNC Mrs. Mangu-Ward. Strange to have to explain this to the editor of Reason...

[@LibertarianJRT]

Sad I didn't see Nick, but I am glad I got to see Zach.

[@jonathanrichter4256]

Lots of venues required masking for admission back in the panic days, so the context of that photo is very important. I don't believe masks accomplish a single thang and likely have negative effects, but if I had to wear one to get into a concert, or even a restaurant, I'm wearing it.

[@michaellowe3665]

Who knew that getting all the freedom minded people to agree on who should be given an unreasonable amount of power would be so difficult?

[@damaj40124]

What an unserious party. Also using the term “normies” to describe non libertarians is incredibly off putting and douchey. Enjoy the 1% of the vote this November

[@LogicalMesss]

I get that RFK is not 100 percent libertarian but I don’t understand why libertarians don’t want him over the other candidates. He is more libertarian than any other major presidential candidate in a long time. Take a win and build onto it from there! #Kennedy2024

[@billhartig4805]

His Israeli policy is why.

[@featheredfriend1310]

Kennedy is more Marxist than the other two options. Is that what you want? At least Trump was at the NRA convention.

[@eduardobranco8349]

​@@billhartig4805 yeah, israel was probably the reason why he is not the nominee

[@davidanalyst671]

It has to do with political philosophy. Joe P Kennedy, and all of his children use the philosophy that the government writes laws to make things better for people. So the kennedys are one of the reasons there are so many laws for handicap shtt. RFK is a greenie global warming BS artist. He will raise taxes and use the environment, and that is the opposite of libertarian.

[@tann_man]

because he is a war monger. MOSSAD has him by the balls.

[@Cameron0718]

Thanks Reason for your podcast. I enjoyed it. 💯 I miss Liz Wolfe though. Good luck to her with her next move 🙏🏿

[@kostbill]

Liz Wolfe is leaving Reason?

[@IAmInterested-cc4hr]

If he had all these boos could you not cut in some video of this?

[@authenticallysuperficial9874]

I testify there were a lot of boos

[@shadfurman]

I do think MiCaucs flubbed the ball over a year ago. I almost joined the LP, but they started showing the same kind of corruption. But the LP was NOT better before. Don't confuse your cultural preferences for what libertarian is.

[@jonathanrichter4256]

I've got a Shiba. She's 15 and starting to show her age. RIP Kabuso 😢

[@zacnewford]

what a weird characterization of dave smith by nick. micaucs like gays just not gay babies.

[@kennethobrien8386]

Goodbye Libertarian Party. "We hardly knew ya". Now go smoke a bowl as the party crumbles even more.

[@jonathanrichter4256]

I was opposed to the Trump invite when I first heard about it, but in hindsight I think it attracted a ton of media attention to the Party. If the crowd had enthusiastically embraced Trump I would have quit the Party on the spot. But the fact that he was roundly boo'd cheered my heart. They did invite RFK, Trump and Biden to speak, so I don't think it was too pro-GOP. (Are we still calling it the Grand Old Party anymore? Doesn't seem right.) I do think that it made every candidate who spoke think about things in a libertarian way in order to prepare to address the convention. That's a valuable education for them.

[@reglavcor]

Very little media has covered Chase Oliver, which was the point of the Trump invite. Media has just covered Trump speaking there. The invite was a waste for the LP.

[@jonathanrichter4256]

@@reglavcor There's no such thing as bad publicity. If the crowd had cheered Trump I would have quit the Party on the spot. But hearing them boo him warmed my heart.

[@dtskicks]

Reason fuckin sucks. Huge reason, no pun intended, why the LP is a joke.

[@TheOrthodoxMoor]

"By our fruits you shall know us" ~Michael Heise~

[@jonathanrichter4256]

I don't need to write to my Representative, because it's Tom McClintock. He's almost as libertarian as Massie or Paul.

[@FoodNerds]

I’m gonna have right reason a letter. as a political scientist, I observe what’s going on I commentary I write about it and it’s very disheartening to see that this is still happening it. I thought it was bad in the late 80s and 90s when the libertarian party just wanted to get elected instead of the Democrats and the Republicans, and we’re willing to compromise their principles as long as they got elected and this is still going on. I’m very disappointed.

[@xqtemari]

As an ancap I have 2 words following this convention. Trump 2024

[@kelbycaplinger5367]

Ancap? How are trillions of dollars in debt, extremely high tariffs, supporting social security and medicare, and prohibiting freedom of movement across borders anarchical capitalism?

[@7sq]

I was a "lifetime member" the LP party says i am not a member (am i dead?) !

[@randallstephens1680]

What's hurting the Libertarian Party is their lack of professionalism.

[@CGAPU]

Javier Milei supports Trump. That's all I need to know.

[@LibertarianJRT]

Everyone has flaws.

[@CGAPU]

@@LibertarianJRT He also supports Netanyahu. He's closer to paleoconservatives and Rothbard's populism than anything else.

[@davidanalyst671]

If you are a libertarian, what do you have in common with Trump? I want to see a list of issues that you agree with Trump.

[@CGAPU]

@@davidanalyst671 This is Milei's argument: opposition to socialism is what unites us. Reducing military interference abroad is another point we have in common. Defense of states rights, gun rights, free speech, freedom of religion, and entrepreneurship, also. Those immediately come to my mind, but I'm sure there are many others.

[@RichardPhillips1066]

All that really matters is is he good for Argentina

[@iPhi-YT]

FWIW this is the episode that finally convinced me to unsub from these clowns. RIP ron paul, we hardly knew ye. also RIP dave smith.

[@FoodNerds]

Clears throat 80s-90s weirdness in the party LYNDON LEROUCHE

[@LibertarianJRT]

Mike ter Maat's lane was the Badnarick and JoJo lane. We wanted to be everyones second choice. Its a shame the MC crowd didnt see that Rec had a ceiling and pivot to support MtM. Mike could have won, and MC could have had Clint Russell as the VP. MC didn't play the game and they got the candidate they liked the least.

[@geraldking4080]

Past president at a third party convention: Theodore Roosevelt 1912 Progressive party

[@jamesbarca7229]

I would say that the Libertarian Party is a joke, but it doesn't even rise to that level anymore.

[@mitchelltriplett7974]

Chase Oliver showed up to every state. He got the message of freedom out there and he's reached people that most "Libertarians" alienated for years. Im glad to see him getting the nomination.

[@Whowhatwherewhen5]

Glad your happy.... most are not

[@MaxThaxton]

​@@Whowhatwherewhen5I was likely to not vote this election but the Mises Caucus didn't get its way so I might actually vote for the Libertarian Party this year.

[@cc8751]

He supports transing the kids, but hey, you be you.

[@craiglittle7367]

RFK is a civil libertarian.

[@davidanalyst671]

who pushes greenie crap. no thanks

[@HowBoutDemBoyzz]

What is greenie crap? ​@@davidanalyst671

[@abramgaller2037]

It is an interesting observation, that the best documentaries in terms of fit, finish and entertainment are the worst in terms of fact.

[@robertmtaylor2472]

The Libertarian National Convention was the most Wildest Convention I've ever heard. At the end Sadly Trump, won because of this. Sadly!

[@flowbrandz316]

Once again the folks at Reason are anything but reasonable. It seems they are hell-bent on losing. Any time a Libertarian wins they virtually cheer for their downfall (think Milei) and they go out of their way to ensure the Libertarian party is anything but strategically viable.... Have your pious roundtable. Keep getting us 3%. Matter of fact that's what we should change Reason's name to, Three Percent

[@FoodNerds]

😂😂😂😂 As a political scientist that is one of my most favorite political statements!! I love it!

[@readwatchlisten2863]

This was a big loss for the party. The Trump invitation/speech was a mistake, the Mises Caucus is flaming out, Michael Rectenwald was that personified, and Oliver is a no-name with no support. LP is done.

[@reglavcor]

The strip tease was the most memorable LNC! And how can you forget the guy with boot on his head!!

[@davidanalyst671]

did I hear free ponies???

[@4wardnthought234]

And now, 7 months later, your predictions on Trump turned out to be dead wrong. Even as you guys more how false documentaries are, your political wishes color your dedication to fact.

[@christopherleblanc160]

Ross Ulbricht will see his sentence commuted right after Trump releases his tax returns.

[@faceplants2]

Nobody from the Mises caucus on the panel? This seemed like spiteful dancing on the graves of your enemies who shouldn't even be your enemies. Self-Aggrandizement without any pushback is a big turn off.

[@bryson8918]

it doesn't help that 95% of the party doesn't actually know what libertarianism is. Rothbard admitted it himself. "“One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over...” ― Murray N. Rothbard, The Betrayal Of The American Right

[@zacnewford]

this lady hates ross. can’t even share the stage for 10 minutes to save a young man’s life. reason is weird

[@mchorn011]

The purpose of politics isn't to entertain. You people might not have fallen for Trump's BS, but you are part of the problem.

[@WithstandTheStorm]

KMW loves Elenksy

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

It’s too bad what’s become of the Libertarian Party.

[@jonathanrichter4256]

Party membership always rises after a Presidential campaign. that's just common sense. In THIS campaign, I do believe that Oliver/ter Matt will bring in a lot of new members, and probably largely from the left, which the Party could use right now. On the final ballot, almost all the MCers voted for None Of The Above rather than support Chase. That shows a level of immaturity that doesn't speak well for their handling of the Party.

[@classiclibertarian]

hopefully this strategy will have a disproportionate impact of negatively affecting biden's margins in key states.

[@juancuelloespinosa]

who is this natural hair-colored woman that looks like katherine mangu ward?

[@dashnja.9202]

I am proud to support Chase Oliver. I think he will represent us well. He is a principled Libertarian and anyone who tries to say he's not is usually Mises and has a problem with him being gay and pro choice. He isn't an asshole and acts like a decent professional person actually matters too. I would definitely not support Rectenwald. I thought that way before the idiotic gummy-gate. So embarrassing. He yelled at people in speeches and honestly he would have appealed to no one other than "right libertarians"and people who would end up voting for Trump because he can win.

[@bobcobb7992]

Being principled isn't a selling point if I disagree with his principles. I won't be supporting him. It has nothing to do with him being gay but if a big part of your strategy to get people to support him consists of moral bullying, then you've revealed yourself to be just another wokester.

[@dashnja.9202]

@@bobcobb7992 can you give me an example of Chase doing that as strategy?

[@bobcobb7992]

@@dashnja.9202 No, because I was talking about you doing that as a strategy. Claiming that anyone who disagrees with you about him has a problem with him being gay (amongst other things). No different than a standard wokester or other form of left-winger who will call you fascist, racist, anti- trans, anti-science, a nazi, or whatever if you disagree with them.

[@dashnja.9202]

@@bobcobb7992 I said usually, but I could have worded that differently. There has been a lot of things said about him being gay and how they love using the imagery of him with a rainbow mask and flag. I would say it with better

[@bobcobb7992]

@@dashnja.9202 You did say usually and I guess that counts for something. I have not heard a single negative thing said about him for being gay. The LGBTQ related criticisms have had to do with him being pro-drag show story hour, pro-transing of children, and pro-males (trans males) competing against females. This is another problem with the wokesters/left-wingers. They hear such criticisms and instead of acknowledging and debating them honestly, they accuse you of being anti-gay or anti-trans. I don't care if someone is gay. I don't care if an adult tries to become the opposite gender. I am unapologetically against drag queen story hour, girls being forced to compete against and share locker rooms with boys and giving puberty blockers or hormones to supposedly trans minors. That doesn't make me anti-gay or anti-trans. You are correct that critics of Chase are using the imagery you cited. The mask is a problem for many libertarians because we believe that masks did little to nothing to stop Covid. They were control mechanisms. Many of us wore them because we didn't have much of a choice. Chase seems to be happily and proudly wearing his in the photos I've seen. The rainbow flag is a problem for many Libertarians because it stands for so much more than gays rights. That battle was fought and won a long time ago. The rainbow flag nowadays mainly represents things like the previously mentioned causes that Chase supports but we are very much against. If the Libertarian Party had chosen a gay man whose positions were in line with the Mises Caucus, I would very happily vote for him.

[@victorcastle5757]

KMW: there are some, maybe in the Mises Caucus, calling themselves libertarian, who are maybe not the type of libertarian i recognize myself as being. Well, that's a "you" problem. Also, the dude saying Oliver is a "hardcore" libertarian made me literally ell oh ell. Thanks for the laugh in this dark time.

[@danjohn2365]

These pseudo libertarian hacks are a disgrace to anything that is remotely libertarian.

[@geetarbube]

Sponsored by Better Help?! Jesus Christ, you CANNOT be serious.

[@GermanicDottir]

What's up with the display of the "Become Ungovernable" sign at the convention? Since when did “The Party of Principle” become "The Party of Anarchists?" What the hell?

[@TRyan3]

Individualists, trying to come together..

[@MidnightRambler]

These guys are still pouting because they lost in 2022😂😂

[@hismajesty6272]

Trump 2024.

[@zacnewford]

if this lady wants to be serious zzzz be cool

[@dariusthurman8835]

No matter who Wins, you guys Lost.

[@Knardsh]

Can someone explain how they support Ulbricht being released? He paid for murder.

[@MaxThaxton]

Off the top of my head it's because that part was fabricated, one of the DEA agents was a real shit bag and he and another DEA agent were convicted of malfeasance of some sort related to it. Also, libertarians in general don't think drugs should be illegal so him getting convicted of some stuff he didn't do related to doing something that shouldn't be illegal rankles liberty minded folk.

[@billhartig4805]

That claim is wholly unsubstantiated. Please prove your claim or edit it.

[@Knardsh]

@@MaxThaxton The malfeasance was stealing some of the confiscated bitcoin. The only position against his conspiracy to murder would be entrapment. But he did pay for it nonetheless. Drugs, fine. Murder, not fine.

[@LibertarianJRT]

I am so happy that Chase extended the VP offer to MtM. I believe Oliver/ ter Maat is a great and very diverse ticket. It saddens me that unhappy people are attacking Chase for being of the left.

[@FoodNerds]

Clears throat 80s-90s weirdness in the party LYNDON LEROUCHE