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The Life And Death Of Skateboarding Games

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Leon Massey

Leon Massey

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@LeonMassey
@LeonMassey 2 жыл бұрын
To clear up some confusion, Skate 4 wasn't mentioned in this video specifically due to a lack of news about it right up until the day this video came out. I thought that it was going to be a Metroid prime 4 situation, announced but would never actually see the light of day. It would appear I was incorrect.
@Dzingzing
@Dzingzing 2 жыл бұрын
was just about to type an angry comment... thank you.......
@SeisoYabai
@SeisoYabai 2 жыл бұрын
This was part of a conspiracy to discredit you as a KZbinr, I'm Sure
@lasarousi
@lasarousi 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing like seeing the update pinned comment being just "I was wrong" lol
@deadfr0g
@deadfr0g 2 жыл бұрын
This video essay is the canonical sequel to Dandy J’s seminal FGC KZbin classic, “i only know how to play fighting games” (2009). This is my truth. I know it deep inside my heart.
@josephgarcia3690
@josephgarcia3690 2 жыл бұрын
This month is gonna be hype
@FUNKe
@FUNKe 2 жыл бұрын
I really want an action RPG where a skateboard functions as both your form of travel and your blunt melee weapon. Work of beauty as usual leon
@ripbooboo8563
@ripbooboo8563 2 жыл бұрын
Yoooooo FUNKe whattup? You got good taste
@fatyoshi696
@fatyoshi696 2 жыл бұрын
so you play as switch from lethal league basically
@andreighinescu4946
@andreighinescu4946 2 жыл бұрын
FUNKe and Brit collab on tf2 update when?
@WorldsCoolestPerson
@WorldsCoolestPerson 2 жыл бұрын
hey FUNKe
@clammyjarl7359
@clammyjarl7359 2 жыл бұрын
chad thundercock at 1:58
@melliel2957
@melliel2957 2 жыл бұрын
As much as I love your videos on fighting games, It's very nice to see you talk about other genres, specific games, and what made them work or... not work. You're a very compelling person to listen to, and I'm eager to see more of your content in the future.
@vennicerunnos
@vennicerunnos 2 жыл бұрын
Allright so at 1:08:30 there's an interlude with the song "theme from harry's game" and the phrase "the turtles hiding in shells" which seems to be the latest installment in a possible cross youtuber ARG mystery thingy. The first installment I can find is from Noodle's Need for speed video at 9:03 with the phrase "i can be anywhere" then FUNKe's Concept album video at 6:04 with "light into water reflections" and Mandalore's Marathon video at 9:27 with "we all have a real first floor" any others I don't know about? anybody know what this is all about? anybody noticing these at all?
@profoundthoughtswgingyman1805
@profoundthoughtswgingyman1805 2 жыл бұрын
Replying to Bump up
@Sispyhi
@Sispyhi 2 жыл бұрын
up up!!!
@zevitu1433
@zevitu1433 2 жыл бұрын
Bump
@nanor4214
@nanor4214 2 жыл бұрын
weird
@QuestionableObject
@QuestionableObject 2 жыл бұрын
its annoying
@ZexyZek
@ZexyZek 2 жыл бұрын
Insane how deep you went into this video! Great job man
@reper6441
@reper6441 2 жыл бұрын
Hi zek
@4ntwi
@4ntwi 2 жыл бұрын
W mans
@thomashightower7881
@thomashightower7881 2 жыл бұрын
@@reper6441 lol pl)o
@marsmugio
@marsmugio Жыл бұрын
Im being 100% honest when i say this, but my god this is one of the CLEANEST scripts I've heard from a KZbin video. You do a perfect job of allowing your personality to shrine through, while still allowing viewers to get all the information they'd want about the history of these games. The pacing is also fantastic, and honestly the video just completely flew by for me. Absolute gold
@ProjectSudoku
@ProjectSudoku 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video you've ever made. If this is a hint toward the future of your content, I will watch them again and again, easy.
@TJ-Henry-Yoshi
@TJ-Henry-Yoshi 2 жыл бұрын
1:24:36 Coney Jumpscare No but seriously this was an incredibly well made video, and while I may hard disagree with your reception to THAW, I think this was a really well made reflection of an era of games long since past. What truly surprises me most is that none of the "rip-offs" were able to stand the same ground as the original. One of my favorite games growing up was Shaun Palmer's Pro Snowboarder and for a game that pretty much entirely follows the wake of the Pro-Skater series, it genuinely still holds up as my favorite game of this era. Although my desire for someone to acknowledge it will have to wait for another day, I feel as though it shows how the formula of skating can be re-contextualized to a gameplay element that's able to stand on its own in spite of cultural relevance and I really hope we get a functional airblade some day.
@Why_It
@Why_It 2 жыл бұрын
Never seen this channel before, but KZbin's algorithm figured I loved skateboarding games enough to throw a video that's only been uploaded for 9 minutes right at me. I'm glad it did, I'm really enjoying it!
@heyitsmort7744
@heyitsmort7744 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to one of the best channels on KZbin.
@Guitar-Dog
@Guitar-Dog 2 жыл бұрын
You every heard of guilty gear? It's about to become your main game
@El_Chuchuca
@El_Chuchuca 2 жыл бұрын
@@Guitar-Dog SPOILER: It's a fighting game... SPOILER 2: You're gonna get into fighting games.
@dillypoo341
@dillypoo341 2 жыл бұрын
This is like the new age version of watching how its made or any history channel show. But its ACTUALLY interesting and appreciates the time you spend watching it. Even though its over an hour long, there are so many split second gags that I found myself floored. By both how funny the gag was and by how much more effort was put into this one video compared to modern traditional media. Loved this.
@TheZer0wned
@TheZer0wned 2 жыл бұрын
Hey how it's made was interesting
@yuhyuh2871
@yuhyuh2871 2 жыл бұрын
I almost feel like I don't deserve this kind of quality content for free.
@0uttaS1TE
@0uttaS1TE 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
@OccuredJakub12
@OccuredJakub12 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@234fddesa
@234fddesa 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like I do, get a bigger ego
@aceDOZA
@aceDOZA 2 жыл бұрын
1000%
@shawklan27
@shawklan27 2 жыл бұрын
@@234fddesa yep
@alvin_row
@alvin_row 2 жыл бұрын
It's weird how much power a video like this has. There's a lot of comments from people who never played a skateboarding game but now care about the genre (me being one of those people) and I think it's really cool to have people teach about why certain games were loved. My parents never bought me a console growing up, so I only know of these games form my friends at school who used to talk about them, but right now I'd love to play Skate, and I'll definitely look into whatever game in the genre comes next.
@muhammadsaad5493
@muhammadsaad5493 2 жыл бұрын
I've been watching you for years Leon, and when you pivoted from fighting games towards other genres, I was worried that, like a lot of other people, the transition might knock them out, especially since the stuff you were covering was really niche in the modern landscape. And even though you've been doing this for over a year at this point, I was still worried. This video killed those doubts. To me this is your best work. (And I never imagined in a million years I'd get teary eyed by the end of a damn Skateboarding genre documentary). Bravo.
@StreamWatcher-kj7cb
@StreamWatcher-kj7cb 2 жыл бұрын
This video was amazing. I've never played a skateboard game but you've kept he engrossed the entire time. Thank you.
@meltyblood
@meltyblood 2 жыл бұрын
Sir you must be 12 years old to use this website
@WhereThereDude
@WhereThereDude 2 жыл бұрын
@@meltyblood Why do you call him Sir then ?
@meltyblood
@meltyblood 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhereThereDude the youth deserve respect
@docholiday4129
@docholiday4129 Жыл бұрын
59:06 i'm not kidding when i say that scene actually made me tear up a little. The music, the setup, and cinematography of it along with the hour long ride to that point. It all got me immersed in this narrative you set up. Great video man, great video
@adamswing6115
@adamswing6115 2 жыл бұрын
20:06 dude that edit was so fucking clean your editing skills have improved such an insane amount, your videos are so good
@Lazypackmule
@Lazypackmule 2 жыл бұрын
I had to roll the video back several times to even catch what the hell you were referring to
@zawaray4229
@zawaray4229 2 жыл бұрын
I still don't get what they are referring to
@adamswing6115
@adamswing6115 2 жыл бұрын
@@zawaray4229 the Map change as he goes up the ramp
@Darkeclipse2
@Darkeclipse2 2 жыл бұрын
it took me 3 rewatches to realize what you were talking about
@XavielArt
@XavielArt 2 жыл бұрын
That shit was so smooth I had to replay it 3+ times
@Lazypackmule
@Lazypackmule 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't mention my favorite indie subgenre from the last decade, "insane abstract artistic experiences(via skateboarding)", comprised of titles like griptape backbone, perfect stride, and the upcoming weirdly ambitious looking skate story Also, Jackass was a highly popular TV show(with several spinoffs) before it was ever a movie series, and I as an american cannot let that heinous slight to my culture slide
@Starkweather133
@Starkweather133 2 жыл бұрын
As a British teen in the 2000s I can't let it slide either. It's was a cultural touchstone in Britain too lol
@k_kubes
@k_kubes 2 жыл бұрын
Talking about Jackass, i don't think THUG 2 deserves much of the hate the game gets, the mechanics of the game is as refined and arcade the series gets, the game clearly doesn't get itself seriously and focuses on the fun factor, and if you don't want the Jackass crazy inspired story mode you still have classic mode, that's not only the same stages with a THPS coat of paint but you also get a lot of new levels, both from previous TH levels and new ones alike, and THUG pro proves how solid the base of THUG 2 is. the game tone is very different from the previous Tony Hawk's games? it is! but that doesn't necessarily makes the game bad, and the arcade, fun driven design philosophy is still there
@amp4105
@amp4105 2 жыл бұрын
@@k_kubes I feel like people actually like thug2, just the creator of this video has a weird taste.
@bipolarprobe
@bipolarprobe 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy seeing you take on all different genres of games and topics as niche as jump arcs to as broad as all skating games. Your witty writing complete with context sensitive jokes that fly by at blink and you'll miss them pace always underpins your experimentation with a quality and character that is uniquely your own and I've greatly enjoyed following your channel. Looking forward to more
@sjajsjsja4523
@sjajsjsja4523 2 жыл бұрын
Downhill Jam is lowkey underrated. I had a blast playing through it and going for 100%. It's all about how much effort you put into it.
@theharvardyard2356
@theharvardyard2356 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the games he trashed are underrated. THP8 and THPG are both pretty good. THUG2 and THPS4 are obviously great. Only Ride, Shred, THPS5 and THPSHD are trash.
@Cee-looo
@Cee-looo 2 жыл бұрын
as someone who grew up skating, filming skating and playing all those games you really did a good job with this one
@hctaz
@hctaz 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when 1+2 came out and hearing all the positive feedback. I actually couldn’t believe it until I picked it up for myself, and it was every bit as good as I had thought it would be and then some. Not only the nostalgia factor, but they really made a game that played like what child me always imagined those games to be.
@djshy3
@djshy3 2 жыл бұрын
(I actually never played Pro Skater 1 or 2, so keep that in mind as I say this. Altho I did play Disney Extreme Skate Adventure and had fun there.) I absolutely love it when game creators do this: successfully create playable nostalgia. Like, I guarantee if you went back and played THPS 1 or 2, it would not play NEARLY as well as you remember and it would definitely show it’s age. But 1+2? It’s as if those games pulled a Captain America and was frozen in time, unchanging in its greatness until someone finally decided to thaw them out.
@hctaz
@hctaz 2 жыл бұрын
@@djshy3 Tbh, I actually do a thing periodically where I go back and play through the originals 1-3. They do actually still surprisingly play as good as I remember them sorta with the exception of 1 as that game lacked a lot of the smoothness that 2 got and kept for a long time. That being said: 1+2 is actually an improvement regardless which I think is what REALLY blows my mind. Look at the reception of Warcraft 3: Reforged or even just the first time they released the HD remaster of 1 and 2 in like… 2015 I think? People did not like the HD remaster of 1 and 2 (myself included) but 1+2 got it right AND kept many of the features from the future installments of the game. Like it’s hard to accurately explain what I mean, but the physics of 1+2 feels perfect, and any new additions to the mechanics just work with the old physics. I can’t explain exactly why the first HD remakes didn’t feel quite right. I didn’t play any of the THUG games, so it’s likely they basically ported the levels from the originals into the physics engine that the later games had and didn’t bother changing anything past that point. 1+2 feels like they started by recreating the physics engine from 2 (2 definitely being the superior game IMO anyway) and then and only then did they remake the levels and the graphics. Going down the very first ramp on the very first level, I could instantly tell that I was going to have a good time. Right out of the gate, it just felt different than the HD remasters.
@DefiantTurtle21
@DefiantTurtle21 Жыл бұрын
Aaaaand now they've pulled the plug on the US servers 🥲
@daemonvanmeir9697
@daemonvanmeir9697 Жыл бұрын
​@@DefiantTurtle21 damn, really? that's sad...
@uamdbro
@uamdbro Жыл бұрын
Back on Steam! @@DefiantTurtle21
@TheYakikate
@TheYakikate 2 жыл бұрын
I know you'll eventually make a skate video, given by your rambling on motion inputs, but my god i never expected this kind of quality. I feel like i've just got out from a cinema, watching THPS+Skate documentary that left my eyes teary, full of nostalgia and emotional over the 'dark ages'. Then the moment you pull out that end card i couldn't hold my tears anymore. Truly, a masterpiece
@spookyspook5347
@spookyspook5347 2 жыл бұрын
I just got back into watching your videos again, and just a day later, I am blessed with a 1 and a half hour video. Thank you Leon
@smugs7921
@smugs7921 2 жыл бұрын
I am gonna be honest how you dont have more than 100k subs at this point is an absolute crime. This is such a high quality video this deserves so many views.
@nyaxayn7885
@nyaxayn7885 2 жыл бұрын
What I expected : A glorificative nostalgia bait of THPS2 What I got : a hella good video essay about a genre I didn't care for the last 10 years and also 𝐭 𝐡 𝐞 𝐭 𝐮 𝐫 𝐭 𝐥 𝐞 𝐬 𝐡 𝐢 𝐝 𝐢 𝐧 𝐠 𝐢 𝐧 𝐬 𝐡 𝐞 𝐥 𝐥 𝐬
@theobell2002
@theobell2002 2 жыл бұрын
THPS3 is objectively better than THPS2 anyway. :)
@ThaRixer
@ThaRixer 2 жыл бұрын
I've never played a skateboarding game since finishing THUG1 a few days ago. Amazing job on this deep dive friend.
@jebaena91
@jebaena91 2 жыл бұрын
i love how Loen is slowly turning in the Sequelitis that we never got, amazing videos dude!
@doppleganger4660
@doppleganger4660 2 жыл бұрын
Here because foxcade retweeted your video and now I'm sat here getting emotional remembering all the good times. THPS was a huge part of my childhood and still is a huge part of my life today so this hit hard. Amazing video and definitely staying around for future videos
@lunnihyre4215
@lunnihyre4215 2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for the mention of skate and especially skate 3. Skate 3 was an amazing game of my childhood and holds a special place in my cousins heart and I'm glad to hear it praised.
@AlejandroSilva-mr7yy
@AlejandroSilva-mr7yy 2 жыл бұрын
I hope this comes across as a compliment because I don't give a shit about skating games OR fighting games and yet I cannot keep away from your videos and my next final is in about 10 hours
@mrsammy7600
@mrsammy7600 2 жыл бұрын
Leon do be Masseying it on this one. Always good to hear your voice over of your rants on games / genres.
@IndyRevolutions
@IndyRevolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Your ability to convey words in ideas my goblin brain just loves is beautiful. 10/10 video But also damn completely skipping my beloved Shawn White Skateboarding PS3/X360 that was one of the games which made me wish I had something other than a Wii
@Ape_Tero
@Ape_Tero 2 жыл бұрын
I love THUG 2. It completed the gameplay mechanics from previous games by adding sticker slapping. And then fans made THUG Pro, and it was great too.
@HandyFox333
@HandyFox333 2 жыл бұрын
THUG 2 is my favorite of them all. Second is American Wasteland. People may disagree but to each their own.
@Dalt0nSaxn3r
@Dalt0nSaxn3r 2 жыл бұрын
Loved your video man, one of the best YT docs I’ve seen in a long time. You have definitely earned my subscription. You kind of dropped the ball with not ending the video on how Skate 4 is about to revitalize the Skate series and possibly modern gaming in general when it drops next year. I mean come on man, we’ve had official concept art from EA for months now and it was very well known that the game has been in development. You also failed to mention Shaun White Skateboarding, the various mobile apps like Touchgrind or True Skate which are immensely popular, or how the Nintendo DS versions of Tony Hawk games were actually kind of fun for an on the go skating game at the time. Regardless of all my gripes, this really was an amazing video you put together and it had me entertained from start to finish with quite a few laughs thrown in! Definitely going to check out more of your videos. Cheers!
@SubparFiddle
@SubparFiddle 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t been excited for a skating game in a long time, but seeing the trailer for Skate Story a couple days ago blew me away.
@ILikePopCans
@ILikePopCans 2 жыл бұрын
the quality of the video is super impressive, especially with how long it is. it may of took awhile to make but it was worth the wait for me Leon, just don't get burnt out
@DragynFyre12
@DragynFyre12 2 жыл бұрын
What a memoir to a genre that's doesn't get enough love. Ty Leon. Personally really excited for Skate Story :)
@pablobarrios7681
@pablobarrios7681 2 жыл бұрын
Just recently discovered your content dude, incredibly addicting, your way of explaining stuff is really entertaining
@shiwakao
@shiwakao 2 жыл бұрын
holy shit leon documentary. skate story n bomb rush are by far my two most anticipated games currently.
@princepeachfuzz
@princepeachfuzz 2 жыл бұрын
Video gives me MASSIVE Noodle vibes, emotional, well rounded, beautifully edited, informative and clean with a tasteful execution, subscribed!
@aceDOZA
@aceDOZA 2 жыл бұрын
Just want to go out the way to let you know that out of the many channels I'm subscribed to, your channel is the probably the only one that I actually watch videos with my full attention all the way thru because I can tell how passionate you are about each topic. This video is one of your best! Keep it up, Lee! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
@LolindirElros
@LolindirElros 2 жыл бұрын
1:04:37 oh, of course it syncs hahaha OMG Sooo gooood! Amazing content, as always!
@lilliangoulston5706
@lilliangoulston5706 2 жыл бұрын
Game development is pretty difficult and time-consuming, so I can understand why niche genres tend to get overlooked like this. Have you ever considered downloading a game engine and seeing what it's like for yourself? As a hobbyist game dev, I can guarantee that you'll get a more nuanced understanding and appreciation for the work game devs do. I personally use Unreal; the Blueprint system lets you create game logic through a flowchart-like graph, and the default templates are great for prototyping. The initial learning curve is a bit steep, but once you get it, it's very easy to play around and create simple game concepts. I'd definitely recommend messing around and maybe taking part in a game jam.
@PiroKUSS
@PiroKUSS 2 жыл бұрын
This is the reason I never trust game reviewers; a lot of them expect the same thing or something completely different instead of bothering to understand what the devs were going for.
@LeonMassey
@LeonMassey 2 жыл бұрын
I've dabbled in Unity and GM2 - perhaps I didn't sink my teeth into Unity enough but the learning wall really puts me off of making stuff. I try probably twice a year to get into it and get put off every time. Maybe it'll be a blender thing though, that took me years of trying and failing to learn and just this year finally clicked with me. GM2 was fun though I should probably get back into making little projects in that.
@coreblaster6809
@coreblaster6809 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeonMassey If you like 2D games you could consider going into Godot, after bouncing off unity a few times I actually managed to get into that one
@Sin606
@Sin606 2 жыл бұрын
This was a massive video, Man I didn't expect to hear soo much about a skating game. Thank you very much, I doubt we'll be getting spiderman back on a board but man it was fun.
@lukadahusky4005
@lukadahusky4005 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been following the development of a game called “Pixel Skater”, and it’s honestly super cool. It does have a demo out on Xbox, and the gameplay is similar to a 2D THUG, but it’s going to have almost a mario maker mode. It’s honestly a lot of fun and the developers have been giving updates in the discord fairly consistently. I would highly suggest looking into it. Also, this video didn’t bring it up so I thought I should say it here. Skate 4 was announced and is in development
@EPCdevJoaoFiga
@EPCdevJoaoFiga 2 жыл бұрын
Really intersting take on the history of skate as a trend on a gamer's perspective! I love it! As a Game developer that grown up playing Proskater/Thug/Skate1,2&3, i am really glad for the new free to play "Skate." and would be awesome to live the rebirth of this genre.
@yamean8102
@yamean8102 2 жыл бұрын
Leon just be making content about what ever he likes and I love it
@Mario-wp8ut
@Mario-wp8ut 2 жыл бұрын
Although I personally am not invested nor have any interest in the genre of skateboarding games, this video made me actually interested in both the history and popularity In my opinion, this is one of your top 3 videos if not the best one you've made, great job as always skate cowboy
@wheeze.mp3176
@wheeze.mp3176 2 жыл бұрын
Haven’t even watched it yet but I know this video bouta be great, peak topic
@haseebirshad
@haseebirshad 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this, you summarised what I've been thinking in my head for a decade about these games. Lets hope for a better future!
@eurosonly
@eurosonly 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed wasteland very much. It was a more refined underground. The sound track was also more relaxing and I love how there's no loading screens and you create your own skate park by bringing parts from the local neighborhoods out of LA into it. I must have played through it like 5 times.
@lyyretv1126
@lyyretv1126 Жыл бұрын
Loving the channel. Binged it all
@TheMantyke
@TheMantyke 2 жыл бұрын
The only skateboarding game I've ever played is 10 minutes of a tony hawk on the n64 as a child and this is still an enthralling video. Absolutely insane work and I hope dearly this gets as much attention as possible.
@EAGLEGAMES-d4k
@EAGLEGAMES-d4k 2 жыл бұрын
From an actual Skater these games made my childhood & the Culture supported it. Great video, Looks you can actually shred as well. Great Work, Keep itup!
@kazy8029
@kazy8029 2 жыл бұрын
As much as I love Tony Hawk, Skate is just so much fun. Skate 3 was my favorite. I have no idea many times skated the dam or the waterworks system. Its just a wonderful laid back experience with a massive skill ceiling.
@Swim_Jonse
@Swim_Jonse Жыл бұрын
37:32 cracks me up. I have no clue where exactly your accent drifted off to at "grind this rail."
@masterofdoom5000
@masterofdoom5000 2 жыл бұрын
Don't think I didn't see that Klonoa Beach Volleyball tier shift.....and I agree, goddamn that games way better than it deserves to be. Speaking of Klonoa, don't think I didn't miss a few of it's tracks being in the background of this video, superb taste sir.
@Lenk9
@Lenk9 2 жыл бұрын
Fuccckin hell this ones been a while in the making? It was ages ago since i saw you stream skating games on twitch. Bangin vid as always tho, mad love
@deadwarriorw1225
@deadwarriorw1225 2 жыл бұрын
I believe a new skate reboot was announced a couple years back that's still in development, I think they released something last year about it too. And then there's that "Skate story" indie game that was shown off during devolver digitals showcase a couple weeks back which looked somewhat interesting to me personally. Hopefully it's good, cause I miss playing the tony hawk and skate games
@bingo2underscores
@bingo2underscores 2 жыл бұрын
only just noticed it now but that cut at 20:07 is so good lmao
@user-fy1nq3nf1q
@user-fy1nq3nf1q 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see this movie you've put out
@yeetkunedo
@yeetkunedo 2 жыл бұрын
The constant extreme sports OST choices are so good, I found myself going “I’M ONE STEP AHEAD OF THE GAME” during the Skate portion, good shit Leon
@zeetch4575
@zeetch4575 2 жыл бұрын
i have NEVER played any of these, closest being jet set radio but good lord this was so fun to watch i am now tempted to at least try some of these
@KrashyKharma
@KrashyKharma 2 жыл бұрын
Get the remaster of THPS1+2, or Skate 2
@thesilverw0lf
@thesilverw0lf 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, I intended to watch it in two pieces but was glued the whole time. Your pacing and edits are so damn good.
@shovelclaws
@shovelclaws 2 жыл бұрын
great video! personally i'm really excited for skate story-the visual identity of the game is beautiful, and the mechanical development posted about on the dev's twitter seems to be incredibly promising. if the genre has a more narrative driven, visual eye-candy approach like that for a bit... i don't think i'd complain. curious what your thoughts are.
@Notester82
@Notester82 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome overview of skateboarding games! I liked the points about said games being at their best when they were about player expression (instead of skateboards just being another vehicle for racing, for example), and the idea of realism in (physics) games being toned down or tweaked to make for a better experience for the player. I still like some of your older videos on fighting games, but I also wish you the best of luck with these other kinds of videos too, this was a neat watch! :)
@fearjunkie
@fearjunkie 2 жыл бұрын
1:08:41 I swear to god, whatever ARG you, noodle, funke and mandalore are doing is gonna drive me fucking insane. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?????????
@taylornelson7872
@taylornelson7872 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, I can tell you put a TON of work into it. When you mentioned 2Xtreme my face lit up because I played the shit out of that game as a kid.
@jakecornelius7742
@jakecornelius7742 2 жыл бұрын
"it doesnt seem like blizzard and ubisoft are foaming at the mouth to make a live service around half pipes" that aged well
@Tribow
@Tribow 2 жыл бұрын
No mention of the "Skate 4?" meme in almost every video game presentation like E3 and Summer Game Festival, but still, amazing video.
@3ternals0ul25
@3ternals0ul25 2 жыл бұрын
Man, watching this after hearing that THPS3+4 was planned but canned in favor of moving the team to shit like Call of Duty just makes me even sadder.
@datguy9408
@datguy9408 2 жыл бұрын
Wth that franchise again? And wasn’t the remake of 1-2 really successful???
@k_kubes
@k_kubes 2 жыл бұрын
@@datguy9408 Activision Blizzard higher ups are out of touch, and because of their immense greed to milk Call Of Duty to death, blinds them to see the absolute goldmine the Tony Hawk Pro Skater franchise is
@randomnerd23
@randomnerd23 2 жыл бұрын
@@datguy9408 it was successful. Like REALLY successful. Problem it wasn't call of duty successful so in the bin it goes. At least until they can be bothered to take it out again.
@Mafon2
@Mafon2 2 жыл бұрын
Not Call of Duty, but Diablo (Resurrection).
@nootnoot7396
@nootnoot7396 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man I'm watching this shit in pitch black trying to fall asleep before a big interview tomorrow, that turtles in shells thing wasn't chill. Great video tho
@orcguy51
@orcguy51 2 жыл бұрын
At 21:12, I saw you change Klonoa's spot, don't try to hide it from me!
@zaperzero
@zaperzero 2 жыл бұрын
Thank god Super Eyepatch Wolf mentioned you in the credits, the algorithm did not want me seeing this delightful piece on a topic I've actually thought about a number of times before. In the intro still and it's already got its claws in me. Time to enjoy~!
@zaperzero
@zaperzero 2 жыл бұрын
Ok more accurately, thank YOU for doing your animation bits for his video. :D I'm glad you did it!
@Calplex
@Calplex 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Skate Series
@Tocinos
@Tocinos 2 жыл бұрын
yees
@skateorpie
@skateorpie 2 жыл бұрын
It’s one my favorite video game series ever. Personally skate 2 is the best one
@amp4105
@amp4105 2 жыл бұрын
here to EA not fucking up skate4 🙏
@VrginityTheft
@VrginityTheft 2 жыл бұрын
as someone who often talks about practicing skating and getting tips on how to ollie at the local im honestly surprised how many of my particular interests this video expands over so far, even having higurashi in a segment about genres which is a show i finished just a few months ago this video has been VERY very well made and its a joy to see just so much of my interests and what is essentially my childhood favorite game for a good few years and one of my all time favorite games to play thank you leon ps. minazuki 236C/D and c-nanaya's entire 22X and 214X series in a twerk off, who wins
@freshboy3968
@freshboy3968 Жыл бұрын
Woo, melty, wooo
@AbaLeo94
@AbaLeo94 2 жыл бұрын
Extremely cool video (like all of yours) that I enjoyed immensely even though I never cared about skateboarding games. Just one question: WHAT the HECK was 1:08:35
@superbro6413
@superbro6413 2 жыл бұрын
Mandaloregaming had the exact same sort of odd no-context cut in one of his recent videos too. How peculiar
@AbaLeo94
@AbaLeo94 2 жыл бұрын
@@superbro6413 A conspiracy brews
@Something2doWith7
@Something2doWith7 2 жыл бұрын
So did FUNKe and Noodle, other KZbinrs. At 2:42, on the note pad are doodles of FUNKe, Noodle, I'm assuming Mandalore, and a fourth doodle. Need to find out who the fourth doodle is
@Something2doWith7
@Something2doWith7 2 жыл бұрын
Almost looks like Trevor Henderson's "Lil' Nugget"
@Drew_42
@Drew_42 2 жыл бұрын
@@Something2doWith7 Maybe the fourth doodle is a funny red herring. Looks to me like the "Yippee" meme
@avivchotzen1300
@avivchotzen1300 Жыл бұрын
kudos man, this was insanely watchable. although I disagreed with your take on american wasteland. I actually remember it quite fondly tbh. other than that killer video and you should definitely keep going out of your comfort zone and talk about other video game genres, it suits you well
@samanthashelly9947
@samanthashelly9947 2 жыл бұрын
1:08:34 this actually scared the shit outta me
@zacharyjohnson9562
@zacharyjohnson9562 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment fr. Amazing MasterClass video right here but why is there a jump scare
@brexthompson
@brexthompson 2 жыл бұрын
there is something similar in this video and i dont under stand why. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5LUepSKlL-IrtU
@brexthompson
@brexthompson 2 жыл бұрын
making me feel like a conspiracy theorist that watches too much KZbin
@krizzz7940
@krizzz7940 2 жыл бұрын
You can find the same thing at: 9:03 in Noodle's NEED FOR SPEED video. 6:05 in FUNKe's Concept albums video 9:28 in MandaloreGaming's Marathon review video I'm honestly so confused about this stuff but I kinda want to know more...
@productplacementadz24-73
@productplacementadz24-73 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone know what that song is?
@nicodemos4829
@nicodemos4829 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, Leon. I loved a lot of the games in this video when they first came out and your analysis of the skate genre was comprehensive. I look forward to more non-fg videos from you.
@burrito9327
@burrito9327 2 жыл бұрын
So.... is no one gonna talk about the "The turtles are hiding in the shell" bit? No? Okay then.
@thekingsof1786
@thekingsof1786 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was looking in the comments for something about that. It has the feeling of something for an ARG but I don't know what that would be hinting towards. Maybe something with the audio? Idk
@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 2 жыл бұрын
Man you can't just blindside me with an S tier video like that
@KreuzDrache
@KreuzDrache 2 жыл бұрын
"Even SKYLANDERS were getting in on the action." Why you have to hurt me like that?
@plasmadan2664
@plasmadan2664 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man even if this video doesn't do ass good as your fighting games video essays I can appreciate the quality and effort you put in.Keep up the good work man this was a great video 😊
@nhall129
@nhall129 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why OlliOlli World was so enjoyable to me and fresh feeling Come to realize that it was mainly because i hadnt played a skateboarding game since Skate3 Thats so sad…
@LeonMassey
@LeonMassey 2 жыл бұрын
Yes BUT OlliOlli world is genuinely good
@JReaLBiz86
@JReaLBiz86 2 жыл бұрын
I've only reached the Redemption "arc" of this video, but I have to comment. I'll warn that this will be long, because I like to write, but I'm only taking the time to give you a TL;DR because I appreciate what you've done here. First off, I love this. I mean, seriously, I keep finding things on KZbin (honestly the best video content anywhere) that just align with my personality and experiences, and to stumble across this video I chose to use, to pad a playlist I planned on going to sleep to, yet repeatedly woke up to rewatch because of what skateboarding and skateboarding video games mean to me, just proves to me that synchronicity is a real thing. But let's not get too deep. I remember playing Skate or Die for the NES. I loved it, even though I hardly knew how to play it (this should explain how young I was at the time and how old I am now). There was something about skateboarding that was just cool. I was at my grandmother's house, waiting for my mom to pick me up after work, on that July evening in 1995 when a lanky young adult named Tony spun 2 and a half times on a piece of plywood with wheels out of a vertical ramp in front of millions nationwide, in one of the first ever "Xtreme Games". There, my true love affair with the culture of skateboarding (and most extreme sports) was born. And then, THPS happened. The first 3 Hawk games were insane. They weren't marvels of the technology of the time, or the most graphically aesthetic or gameplay-mechanic intensive, but they filled a void that a young preteen/teen me didn't know existed. The need for self-expression through video games, and the ability to use skateboarding, our generations poster child for self-expression, as the catalyst. I hardly remember THPS 4, but I had fun with THUG 1 and 2. However, when I got to THAW, I had already reached a realization. These games didn't appeal to me nearly as much as when I was still in middle school about to embark on life as a young adult. I knew that, no matter what the franchise did to reign in players like me, their original market, I'd never be as interested in the Hawk franchise again. Then EA showed up (while they were still a reputable developer) and gave us what I consider to be the best idea to ever reach gaming consoles in regards to skateboarding. See, what the Skate franchise gave us, from day one, was the ability to "perform" tricks, in an open world, whenever, wherever, and however we wanted. The tricks we could do weren't limited to "push this direction with the button assigned to 'grinds' or 'grabs' or 'flip tricks' to do the trick you've chosen corresponding to the direction and button you've pressed", limiting the bag of tricks we had in our arsenal and, honestly, limiting how we could personally express ourselves playing those arcade-style games. What Skate gave us was a board, analog sticks, and a way to correspond our movements to actions on that board. It put the act of performing a trick squarely in our hands. So doing a hardflip wasn't as easy as "select that trick and assign it to left + square". We had to retrain our brains to learn the precise analog input to scoop the board while flicking it in the direction a hardflip would be performed. We had a whole new level of engagement. And thus, the "skater sim" was born. To this day, I own both Session and Skater XL, both of which I play casually when I just want to wind down and kill time, sessioning a spot to come up with the cleanest looking tricks and lines I can on a gap, or a rail, or stair set, etc. EA has dreadfully fallen from grace, however I am interested to see what they're going to do now that they're FINALLY announcing Skate 4. I wonder how many microtransactions will be involved, honestly. But the key here is that the genre, "skateboarding games" has evolved with it's fans over the years, in that now, in my mid 30s, I still anxiously await the next skateboarding title to hit shelves, wondering what kind of world these developers will give me and what kind of lines and tricks I'll be able to pull off in it. So.... anyway, sorry again for this, but also thank you for creating this masterpiece of a video. Seeing these images and hearing about what made those games of my youth the blockbuster hits they were brought me back 2 decades to a time when skateboarding was still considered "counter-culture" and a young black man like myself was learning that it's okay to fall in love with music, television, clothing, art, and sports that weren't deemed "mainstream" or "normal" for someone like me. I look forward to finishing this video now, and seeing what else you have on offer. Kudos.
@STINKY1790
@STINKY1790 2 жыл бұрын
Youre completely wrong about THUG2 and neglect every single good part about that game but still a great piece on the history and possible future of this genre. The resurgence definitely feels real and im really looking forward to what developers are gonna do in the future with titles like Skate Story and shit
@Momentanius
@Momentanius 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video essay, Leon. Also, congratz on almost 100k!
@skeven0
@skeven0 2 жыл бұрын
As somebody that player from start of the tony hawk games, i say THAW was the last good game before its decline
@soylentconsumer420
@soylentconsumer420 2 жыл бұрын
this was incredibly well done mr massive, exceptional work! i hope you feel satisfied with how this came out cause as a viewer i can say that you did great with it
@dublsm
@dublsm 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish you had at least mentioned steep, as it feels like a spiritual successor to skate, although it’s extremely different it feels like it’s fun for the same reason.
@Yee-Haw_Bird
@Yee-Haw_Bird 2 жыл бұрын
Remember when you had like 900 subscribers, and were talking about some random niche things in fighting games. Those were good times, and now you're frankly just an excellent video essayist.
@internetstranger_
@internetstranger_ 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently I care about skating games now. Thanks Leon. Fuck.
@ingry
@ingry 2 жыл бұрын
1:16:58 in and this is the first time I've wanted to reply as the video is phenomenal, great work man... but the EA NHL games are a phenomenal sports sim (yes the community has gripes as any does), but it's arguably the most fun/highest skill cap (mechanically) sports game out there. Also has the potential to induce rage as FIFA, which I think is arguably an important aspect of a competitive score/mechanic based game. And honestly I think it's pivotal in the growth of NHL viewership amongst the younger millennials and especially gen z. This is one of those videos that I hoped someone would make so thanks for the hard work.
@theharvardyard2356
@theharvardyard2356 2 жыл бұрын
Proving Ground had some redeeming qualities. I liked what they did with the "Street" challenges, they required some exploration and problem-solving skills kind of like environmental puzzles with executional difficulty layered on top.
@koketsok1513
@koketsok1513 2 жыл бұрын
really enjoyed this,It has been a while since I sat a feature length retrospective in one sitting.Really well made
@cod4148
@cod4148 2 жыл бұрын
i played the hell out of Tony Hawk's Underground online on the PS2. The amount of depth i learned the game has from other players as you would spectate them and text chat together, you could get so good it would look like you were cheating.
@bageltime8983
@bageltime8983 2 жыл бұрын
This vid, I shit you not,is a feeling that everyone needs to experience. It's Birth. It's Joy. It's Hope. It's Grief. It's captivating till the very end. I've never played a skateboarding game in my life,but this made me feel as if I was doing this since birth. Thank you Leon for giving an homage to a category of games that will never truly die,but will ebb and flow with time. Thank you.
@TheAfroMenace
@TheAfroMenace 2 жыл бұрын
This video dropping right after the announcement that Activision canned the Tony Hawk Skater 3 + 4 Remakes is biblical. Considering the Video length, I'm sure it must've been made before that news came out.
@RagdollArtwork
@RagdollArtwork 2 жыл бұрын
I understand this video is about sports and skate boarding and the rise and fall of a unique genre of video game but I'd just like to mention I was very pleasantly surprised by the sudden appearance of not only Klonoa Beach Volleyball footage near the beginning, but also Klonoa MUSIC near the ending. Love to see it, hope to see more.
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