The Light No Fire Hype Is Already Getting Crazy - Luke Reacts

[@count_dcinamon]

If you have played No Man Sky anytime recently and tried their updates (or hell just look at the update trailers), it's not hard to imagine that they can deliver what they shown in the Light No Fire trailer because the same / similar mechanic shown there is ALREADY implemented in No Man Sky. Base building, under water stuff, crazy biomes, the flying mount which is basically kinda like how you pilot your ship, the animal mounting, npcs.

[@NoName-ym5zj]

True, but why not show real gameplay? This is clearly a very polished fake gameplay like they did with OG NMS. It's hard for me to imagine they would fail like they did with NMS AGAIN, but it is kinda sus as far as the trailer goes. Otherwise I think it's a really good idea, a single, huge, generated planet and stuff sounds awesoem.

[@norezplaysgames]

​@@NoName-ym5zj Naw, that was real gameplay. Everything we saw in the trailer is completely believable that they have a working game at this point. Why? Because it all exists in their existing game, albeit with a different twist. If this were a different company, I'd be way more apprehensive, but they have given me absolutely no reason to think otherwise. HG is a different company now than at the NMS launch, and people who think they haven't changed haven't been paying attention.

[@ras_alhim]

​@@NoName-ym5zjEvery No Man's Sky trailer for a new update looks like this, there was nothing fake about it

[@NoName-ym5zj]

@@norezplaysgames it's very clearly a pre-made concept trailer, literally almost every game does this and here it's painfully obvious.

[@Psycorde]

@@NoName-ym5zj This is actually almost identical to their trailers for NMS, which feature gameplay - people walking around doing things

[@TabalugaDragon]

"In no man's sky one planet is red and another one is kinda blue" Have you actually played it since release? There are anomalous scaly planets, robot planets, erupting volcano planets, there are tornadoes that actually pick you up and throw you around, there are all sorts of animals, including extremely weird ones. There are corrupted planets with gravity storms and so on and so forth. When was the last time you *actually* played NMS?

[@DrAutismo623]

I had this exact thought. That statement is just straight up not true. There are all sorts of of very different planets. I still find planets that impress me, and I have over 100 hours in game

[@count_dcinamon]

9:40 i think this is kind of a bad argument to have. Because the light no fire trailer style is exactly the same style also as any other content updates for No Man Sky. it's just their style of delivering the info, which does work to give you hype. The point is, they arent trying to overhyped you just like how they did back then, it's just the style of trailer they have had all these time.

[@lolmarko4897]

Exactly

[@PandaBearJelly]

It's also very clear, particularly the underwater scene, they were purposefully paying homage to the original trailer. It's similar by design.

[@fapperino-ql4zu]

@@PandaBearJelly Similar by design, because Light No Fire is most definitely set in the same Universe. What I see in that logo is Atlas clearly being built. 11:10

[@chojigage]

@@fapperino-ql4zu could we be playing as the dawn of the no man sky universe? the original anomalies that set everything into motion, similar to the story of prometheus giving the first humans fire and they began to implode, hence the name

[@whathappened246]

You guys are falling for the hype again. No Man Sky is still boring even today with 0 story and little combat.

[@wannaBtraceur]

Yes, this is a “let’s wait and see” because it’s just an announcement trailer. But I wouldn’t say there are red flags yet. It’s too early to say it’ll be good, and it’s too early to say it’ll be unsuccessful. A little excitement is good but the next trailer will likely show us more about what the game is going to be about, and then we’ll see if it’s worthy of hype. It’s good to keep in mind also that they’re still releasing updates for NMS and those are enjoyable, so they have the tech side down.

[@whathappened246]

You guys are falling for the hype again. No Man Sky is still boring even today with 0 story and little combat.

[@RedheadJack]

After seeing the amount of work that's gone into no mans sky i don't care what anyone says about hype for this game. I'm buying it day 1 to support Hello Games and Sean Murray

[@AretaicGames]

I'm of much the same mind. Given how many hours I've put into NMS - it's into four figures, now - I'm happy to pay them another $60 for LNF. If the gameplay is anything like NMS, though perhaps refined to a much higher degree, I'll be entirely satisfied with LNF. That is the extent of my "hype".

[@gleekthemonkey4570]

I am the opposite. I don’t give a flying fuck about what comes out of that man’s mouth or what I’m shown until the game comes out and I can see if he was capping. He shouldn’t get any credit for doing the bare minimum of making the game he advertised. Only after HE DELIVERS ON A GAME THAT WAS PROMISED AT LAUNCH Will I start to give benefit of the doubt.

[@65firered]

And the cycle repeats unquestioningly.

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

​@@gleekthemonkey4570out of curiosity, is this how you treat all developers who don't deliver on launch or just Sean Murray with No Man's Sky? I think it's fair to feel this way, but they won me back after 10 years of free updates not asking for a single penny after buying the base product (I got it for $15 on sale).

[@rsoul9158]

Not me just because they fixed their game doesn’t give them a pass or a earned Pre order.

[@piersyfy4148]

I don't particularly disagree with anything here, but people seem to ommit some important differences between Hello Games now and back then. As I understand it, the main reason for the disaster launch of NMS was the publishing pressures put on it in combination with Sean's team of optimistic and rather shy dreamers. Fastforward to now, when they have bags of funding of their own and tons of experience making an incredibly similar game. I also don't think it's dumb to trust devs that go so beyond expectations to fix their mistakes as Hello Games have. I think at some point it almost becomes unreasonable to hold on to past mistakes.

[@gleekthemonkey4570]

“Sean’s team of optimistic and shy dreamers” is a really cute way of saying they lied to your face. They also didn’t fix any mistakes. They KNOWINGLY LIED ABOUT THEIR GAME. They should not get any credit for DOING THE BARE MINIMUM of making the game they promised. They actually have to deliver on the promises of a game AT LAUNCH in order to start getting the benefit of the doubt. This trend of people saying “you lied to my stupid face and took my money while delivering a bucket of dog poop but 4 years later you gave the thing I ordered so it’s all cool now and I’m gonna get hyped for your next game” is actually mind numbing and makes me want you people to keep getting scammed.

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

​@@gleekthemonkey4570holding a grudge is exhausting, especially towards a video game for 10 years. Sometimes it's best to just let go.

[@paopao.]

​@@gleekthemonkey4570Did they tho? From what I understand a lot of the features they said were in the game were actually in there, but because it confused people testing it they removed/changed them in the final version. That's just how game development works, something you say 2 years before launch may be changed.

[@paybacksuper3670]

@@gleekthemonkey4570 just stop it dude, no one give a shit. lol

[@DevNug]

⁠@@gleekthemonkey4570You’re forgetting that Sony picked it up as a timed exclusive. That made it release much sooner since they had to fulfill their end of the deal. Now, it’s their fault for accepting the deal and putting pressure on themselves for a deadline, but as an indie developer it’s understandable why it happened

[@Pullmanfan7]

Sean literally said he wants to work on this game post launch for 10 years - that man doesn't release and dump games, he puts a ring on them. I expect a certain level of bugs and issues but HG are in it for the community, and I'm here for it. A more densely, scaled version of NMS is not something people are stupid or gullible to be excited for, it's very much something these talented people can deliver, even if it takes a some updates to polish and build on.

[@juancarlosalonso5664]

Not denying that they fixed nms eventually, but let’s not forget hat man has a history of repeatedly lying in public, so I am cautious at the very least.

[@tjepting1]

Yeah I don't know what the guy in the video is talking about, saying there are tons of red flags... Like I don't see one? I also called out Starfield sucking before it came out, so I am hyper aware of red flags, and I don't see any yet. I fully expect some bugs etc. at launch, but I ONE MILLION percent believe, after watching NMS over the years, that Sean will work every kink out and add tons of content over the years. I love the idea of having tons of content on a single planet.

[@whathappened246]

You guys are falling for the hype again. No Man Sky is still boring even today with 0 story and little combat.

[@Pullmanfan7]

@@whathappened246 Wow that's so objectively true! My hundreds of hours of enjoyment were an illusion! Oh no!!

[@whathappened246]

@@Pullmanfan7 That has 0 to do with what i'm talking about. Its great you get enjoyment out of the game. I never said it was a bad game. What i'm saying is, No Man's Sky is an overall decent game. But that's also it's biggest problem. It doesn't do anything new or revolutionary. The story is pretty bad. Theres like 0 lore. The combat is lackluster. The PvP is dead. Etc. This is after a decade or so of updates. Sean saying Light No Fire is going to be some big revolutionary game that is a masterpiece, right at launch at that, when No Man Sky isn't even currently living up to that standard is insane.

[@stuartellis2]

They’ve earned their respect. They’ve learned their lesson the hard way. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Redemption is a beautiful thing. If they get this one right it will be a pivotal game and the one that makes people buy consoles.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

No. This reminds me of the same thing people said about Bethesda and Starfield.

[@houmran2878]

@@Billy-bc8pk Bethesda doesnt fix their games Hello games do.

[@hunterlane5997]

@@Billy-bc8pk Bethesda hasn't tried to make things right. Hello Games didn't make dlc or anything, they sat down fixed the game and never charged a cent for anything after launch. They even added VR for free, unlike what Bethesda did with Skyrim where they charged for another game. I am very hesitant toward game dev companies but that doesn't mean we should ignore companies that do it right. Larian and Hello Games are two of these.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@hunterlane5997And until the game is out, it's best to reserve judgment instead of assuming. Because lest we not forget, people were completely on the Bethesda train before Starfield released, and now Bethesda is (rightfully) getting dumped on after its release. Good will only goes so far, so it's best to be skeptical at all times.

[@hunterlane5997]

@@Billy-bc8pk Thats what I was addressing before. Bethesda has shafted it's consumers for almost 10 years. The two companies aren't comparable, and I don't know why anyone ever thought Starfield would be good after the continual Bethesda issues almost every other year since skyrims release.

[@MyWORDisntGospel]

I’m going to do this like I do every other game now. I’m going to wait for it to release. See what the community of that game says. Then base my decision to purchase it, or not, depending on the overall mood of said community. I’ve been let down too many times now.

[@YOUNGJBR]

Yea nowadays I just wait for Gameranx or ACG reviews to come out before I buy.

[@TheOnlyTaps]

💯💯💯💯

[@SteveBonario]

Yes. This is the right way we should approach this as consumers. If 80% of gamers did this game companies/publishers would stop delivering incomplete games and asking us to beta test them for $70 while they laugh all the way to the bank.

[@MyWORDisntGospel]

@@SteveBonario a good example of this (personally) I waited for BaulderGate3. About two weeks after launch, I got it and I am very happy. I was going to buy an Xbox just for Starfield. I waited…and nope. I’ll pass. I did not get MW3. First COD I haven’t played on launch. Funny thing…I don’t miss it at all. Glad I passed. This is the way

[@TheOnlyTaps]

@@SteveBonario 💯🤣

[@chairchriss]

I think if you've played No Mans Sky, you would be hyped for Light No Fire. No Mans Sky players know what would make No Mans Sky better, and it seems Hello Games put all of that feedback into Light No Fire based on just parts of the trailer.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

I gathered as much as well, but I'm not going to go all-in until more info and gameplay footage is out.

[@ras_alhim]

What nobody seems to notice is how the characters are wearing gear like swords, shields or magic staffs, which implies loot

[@Virakotxa]

Or plain crafting, really... Would be desirable, but it's too early to tell.

[@GarryFishsticks]

i hope the combat is good

[@username.exenotfound2943]

@@GarryFishsticks unlikely, the game is above all exploration same reason no man sky will never really have the best ground combat

[@GarryFishsticks]

@@username.exenotfound2943 I mean they show a few bits of combat in the trailer, I'm just hoping it is decent

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

Maybe, but if it's literally just NMS, fantasy edition, then you'll likely either find gear, or straight up buy it from shops like in NMS.

[@mspat8332]

Luke once again shooting on small studios... He's not at all skeptical with phantom liberty even if cdpr literally made the worst scam in video game history few years before and voluntarily. He's not skeptical about gta6 even if 90% of rockstar's heads left, and rockstar currently scamming players like never. But he's not skeptical, but literaly fatalistic about hello games whose lies were ordered by sony's threats, and who have been giving massive free updates for years, starting as soon as they went indie

[@the_prasenjeet]

I know right. This dude said "I don't want to hate on it" but started shitting all over it.

[@Inkinred]

Man…. Nothing worse than taking a hot steamy dump in something before it isn’t even released ain’t it? So frkn tired of all these pessimistic content creators. I’m surprised this dude didn’t include a thumbnail of him doing a thumbs down with the title “NMS WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE, LIGHT NO FIRE WILL BANKRUPT HELLO GAMES…… I can’t stand this crap.

[@liamchapman6889]

You just have to think that there's zero chance they'll release another undercooked game... I have confidence that Light No Fire will be amazing

[@Billy-bc8pk]

So you're putting your skepticism in the closet despite history dictaing you should do otherwise?

[@basedfemboi9401]

Never underestimate how low people can go

[@whathappened246]

You guys are falling for the hype again. No Man Sky is still boring even today with 0 story and little combat.

[@shavp]

I don't really think there is much of a comparison between the 2 because unlike No Man's Sky, I think Light No Fire will have a much stronger launch simply because the game will most likely have base building and multiplayer on day 1 of release rather than waiting months or years for those features to be added to the game lol Also Back then, hello games still an inexperienced game studio who had never dealt with something on the scale of no man sky before and when Sean first even spoke about no man sky in 2013 the game was very early in development. Many of the controversies over that game happened during a time when hello games themselves were still trying to figure out the type of game they wanted no man sky to be In 2023 hello games are now a far more experienced game studio that has spent years releasing many successful updates for no man sky, and they even released the critically acclaimed game the last campfire in 2020. Also, unlike no man sky "Light No Fire" has been in development for more than 5 years before they finally decided to reveal it to the public...

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Your argument is 1:1 to what people said about CDPR and Cyberpunk 2077.

[@TakaChan569]

Try as you might all the work they have put in after all these years and for free, has earned trust from me i can be hyped for Light No Fire. I mean hell take all the biomes upgrades they have done over the years put that all on on planets, along with all the other systems and it will make for a very cool focused survival/exploration game.

[@X862go]

YUP I'm a traveler and love nms

[@dr.loomis4221]

They say a fool is born every minute. They have not proven they can launch a large scale game that is "as advertised". This team was only 37 people in in 2020...unless they're 5x that size now, that game will ship in an unsatisfying state. It took them around 5 additional years post launch to get No Man's Sky where it needed to be.

[@GribbleGrunger]

Agreed. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Hello Games with the launch of NMS, the amount of work, patches and updates alone shows you 'collectively' ONE single planet is at least going to be 'good'. Whether it's going to be 'great' is another question, but this harking back to the release of NMS is disingenuous to say the least. Anyone who's continued to play NMS will be rolling their eyes at this video right now. But I will say: 'Sean, make it GREAT!' ... but I'll be satisfied with good if that's what I get.

[@Psycorde]

@@dr.loomis4221 It has already been 5 years in the making, with experience from NMS in mind. There's being skeptical and then there's being outright cynical. They know better than anyone the responsibility all this entails.

[@NO14122.]

@@dr.loomis4221 It is always good to keep everything in mind. You are correct to say that we should temper our hype for Light no Fire (LnF) because of the scale of the team working on it and looking at the past experience. However I would argue that there are things amiss in this argument. 1st, the most obvious one is that unlike the first trailer of NMS, the launch and the "before" of each update, they know have the knowledge they have gathered until *today* (although it took 5 years to NMS to become what it is today, they have the entirety of the knowledge) : They also have proven to be much better than many other big companies for procedurally generated content 2, are you sure they were 37 ? I can see that they're 26 in the team and I doubt that they would have cut the number of employees when NMS brung so much money - at the beginning with an unfinished product - and when NMS is now highly regarded by the community. If there was a change in numbers, I would argue it would be in the upscaling size although I can't back up what I say to 100 %. 3, I would also argue that the team size working on LnF will change, shifting current full timers of NMS to LnF, (the first ones might have created a proof of concept and added the basic mechanics as of now), this paired with the knowledge of each individual will not mean that they need to have grown 5 times to deliver. 4, On the "not proven they can launch a large scale game that is "as advertised"", as NMS was a first, it is right to say that, however, as it is a first, we can't make a concluding conjecture just yet on that matter, it would be silly. Now NMS is actually more than it was advertised at first, so I can also think that they can now know how much effort should be put in a "large scale game" Lastly, they have not given us any dates, which is for the best, as they keep themselves from rushing (as of now), and looking at the effort they gave to transform NMS to that state today, while making less than minimum press, I think two things : Either the final product sold (in 3-6 years ?) lives up to the hype at the beginning (which is, I admit, not certain, but we never know (e.g. BG3) ) Or it is underwhelming (not as much as NMS when it got out) and will eventually become what it was supposed to be.

[@TriFekt]

I will say that Sean didn't promise anything this time around. He just got on stage explained that it was a single planet survival game, showed the trailer, and that's it.

[@whathappened246]

He said it would be the first truly open world game, and you have to walk across the entire planet. Hes already putting fake hype behind it,

[@the_fat_hans7755]

​@@whathappened246hype he can back up this time tho

[@KenLinx]

The only reason I buy into the hype here is because they've already shown that they can deliver everything shown in the trailer already with No Man's Sky. They've shown they can competently generate large masses of land procedurally, they've shown they can do base-building properly, they've shown they can do multiplayer correctly, etc. Most of the stuff is reskins. The only thing I'm a little on the fence about is it being a massively multiplayer experience. What I'm betting they'll do is only have players that party together show up or have players that are directly next to you show up--and their interactions with the world only appearing once they upload their base data to the server.

[@NamePend]

I felt that Sean made it clear enough that it is developed by a small team so don't expect the world. but if people want to be ridiculously hyped about it, it's on them. Sean just has to remind everyone that the game is still an indie game so you can't expect triple A level gameplay

[@fernandofaria2872]

Meanwhile, he says things like "tHis Is ThE FIRsT rEal oPEN wORLd gAME GuYs!!!1111" and "ThIS Is SOmEThINg tHat havE NEvER bEeN tRIED bEfoRE, ITs evEN MoRe aMbITIouS tHaN nO MAn'S sky!!!!!!11111"... give me a break 😒

[@ToGrimmToWin]

He did that with no man's sky as well. I took five years to be what he said it was before it came out​@@fernandofaria2872

[@RememberingTheLost]

I think the big difference between the two trailers is that, as mentioned in the video, the No Mans Sky trailer had a lot of rendered footage whereas the Light No Fire gameplay, if the trailer is to be believed, is in game footage. That difference along with their continued dedication to No Mans Sky post launch makes it easier to buy into the trust and hype. Another thing to keep in mind is that while I completely agree No Mans Sky had a failed launch and should have waited to release, the studio lost a ton of their data during development when their studio flooded. I think that really hurt them being able to implement the features shown in the trailer in time for the release and they just left them out instead of pushing the release out. I say this not to dismiss how inexcusably bad No Mans Sky was at launch, but to say that it had it's valid, albeit fixable, reasons for being so. All this to say that I have a fair bit of faith in this being a decent launch that they build up into a phenomenal game, and even if it tanks at launch I think they will build it up into something amazing.

[@MrThespitfire]

Tbh, I don't really see the relevance of comparing the first trailer for NMS and the first trailer for LNF. Yes, in form the two trailers have similarities, particularly in terms of structure, because HelloGames has kept the same trailer structure for all their trailers since the one in 2013. But in terms of content, they have nothing to do with each other. What I mean by that is that when NMS came out in 2016, with all the problems we know about, the previous games HelloGames had made were the Joe Danger series, so they had nothing to do with NMS. They had to start from scratch. But for LNF it's completely different, as they have 7 years' experience with NMS behind them (not to mention The Last Campfire). And as an NMS player, everything (almost) I saw in the LNF trailer is stuff that already exists or exists in part in NMS. For example, the mechanics of the dragon that flies away and allows you to move around are exactly the same as those of the ships in NMS. Another example : the tree that one of the players is cutting down is almost exactly the same model as one of the trees in NMS, with more detail and a few modifications. I could go on and on. Of course, that doesn't mean we can't ask questions about LNF, particularly when it comes to multiplayer, because although it exists in NMS, there are problems with stability and synchronisation. But I don't see what the problem is with getting hype by the trailer. I personally found this trailer more interesting and eye-catching than the one for GTA VI (this is just my opinion). I will finish by saying that in any case, whatever the game, you should never pre-order. It's better to wait for the game to be released, for there to be reviews, or for people on KZbin or Twitch (or whatever) to play the game so that you can make up your own mind. But that applies to all games.

[@artheals8869]

That’s strange considering at most I’ve seen people saying Sean Murray earned his second chance, but for the most part it’s either people being extremely skeptical about the game or just flat out shitting on Sean Murray still for his initial No Man’s Sky lies and the fact that even with the updates the game is still boring. I must be on a different side of the net.

[@kluneberg8952]

yeah i haven't seen massive hype for it but im also not searching for it. it does have the most views out the vga trailers. even the big reveal at the end with monster hunter has 5 million less views.

[@dimitri0404]

The people who are hyped the most are the people who have played tons of NMS.

[@ItsDigidyDan]

Luke just has to ride that skepticism train since that's apparently his brand now

[@bobsteven2363]

No man’s sky one, they build the game from scratch and didn’t have most of the features. For light no fire, they got all the major mechanics already working in no man’s sky.

[@flameloude]

5:27 the reason why I belive the trailer is actually in engin is because they have that weird water effect where it somewhat reflecting the dragon wings. Only thing I doubt is that last bit with the dragon flying through the clouds near the ground. If their new procedural engin can do that, it's amazing. I just doubt it.

[@Fazeshyft]

I'm cautiously optimistic. After nearly 700 hours, I got to a point where No Man's Sky grew JUUUUST a little stale. So, I'm Lukewarm (heh, get it?) on Light No Fire, simply because it likely will be No Man's Sky with a fantasy coat of paint. I'm ready and willing for Hello Games to prove me wrong and knock all of our socks off.

[@ghostknight1865]

They definitely got all the attention right now. It’s funny because in the middle of these NMS / Star Citizen / Starfield huge space games, I know of at least 2 currently unannounced games that are also doing the “full planet simulation” thing. IMO it’ll be the next big trend.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Do you know the publishers behind those two unannounced games?

[@Totally_not_a_lizard_person]

Just repeating myself alot I think, but the TLDR version of my longwinded ramble is something like. No Man Sky already does all of the things shown in Light No Fire, we just need to see if they can make the world with the size they claim. If you don't like exploration for exploration like in NMS this will likely disappoint, but tons of people are really into that, and some want the fantasy flavor. --- Sure people are expecting too much, but expecting too little is also a thing someone can do. This is basically a reskin of NMS, but an interesting one to me. I think implying this is as big of a reach as their first attempt is disingenuous.. a little bit anyway.. They don't need to build an engine and everything from scratch... And yea, in NMS its about exploration, crafting, building and little else.. That's likely what this is and many people enjoy it and are still playing it to this day. If you don't like exploration for exploration you probably wont like this and likely dont like NMS even after all the updates. There isn't some rich involved game play loop, no in depth combat where you have to think and counter opponents.. Just exploration.. find stuff upgrade your stuff so you can find more stuff, build something cool or dumb, do basic missions to zap things and get cosmetics.. Its a vibe of its own and yea, alot of people still find NMS boring, so they likely will with this too. I don't think it will have 'challenging gameplay' beyond what we've already seen from them... Also don't downplay what they have already done. Even back with the disappointing launch, when they were smaller than their current team, they managed to make an actual universe.. even if it lacked multiplayer, had break dancing aliens, and didn't have any features other than exploration, ship flying, and resource gathering.. The major difference between NMS and this, other than the fantasy thing and not starting from square one, seems to be that instead of a shared universe with almost endless worlds, this is one shared world the size of earth, or something close, with procedurally placed environments and things. NMS procedural stuff also isn't rouge-like procedural stuff, which alot of people seem to assume.. In NMS people on the other side of the irl world aren't on another server.. well they are.. but the stuff is shared, so if you went to the planet those people built a base on in nms you can see what they did... And even if they didn't do anything, that world they were on will look exactly the same to you as it does to them. Any world anyone visits will be the same if they visit that exact world. You wont land on that planet and the terrain be completely different due to your instance or what have you. That's how things currently are in NMS... So why wouldn't it be similar in this game? Why assume they will change it? Why assume they will throw out all their work and start from scratch? In nms you got different vehicles you can find.. light no fire has mounts.. same difference.. you can tame animals in nms, even if its super basic.. so that tracks.. You can build in nms.. and light no fire.. Harvest resources.. yea.. There are even different races you can play as in NMS.. and light no fire seems to be the same. One can argue that the trailer isn't a 1 to 1 for what the game looks like.. I'm personally skeptical on the draw distance and clouds, but thats just because those aren't already in NMS.. They probably don't have the world fully made, if they did it would be released yea? So this trailer footage would likely be a carefully curated and controlled walk through some premade things.. Likely with some automated movement and what have you.. Again, if the world was made, and all this was done and fully working the game would likely be out. Though in some of those flashes the terrain looks basic, like it just has a texture slapped over it so who knows. Anyway, people should just be expecting a fantasy themed NMS style game on a single insanely large planet, not much more than that has been claimed or hinted at through the trailer.. Sure there will be fantasy flavor changes, but this isn't dark souls or skyrim or lord of the rings. The part that will be a challenge for them and has yet to be seen if they can manage, is actually making a planet that is the size of earth with biomes that are diverse and transition well. I know games like star citizen have specialized streaming things to pull off something massive like that without load screens, but does hello games have something that is similar or serves that role? If they pull that one thing off.. the size of the world will insure you dont have to see peoples builds wherever you go.. People keep underestimating the size of earth.. A planet in nms is 70 square miles.. and if you want to see how big that is just land on a planet and try walking on foot all the way around it.. Mounts in light no fire may be faster than walking, but they aren't space ships that get into orbit... A game like skyrim is like 14 square miles or something and riding a horse from one side to the other takes a little while.. The earth is over 190 million square miles.. So unless the entire population of earth starts playing Light No Fire, I think we would be good.. Again.. I don't think this game will appeal to people that don't like the vague open ended exploration of NMS.. I have no reason to think it will be different, as they haven't even claimed it would be. People who only like the scifi and space theme of NMS wont play this for long either because its not their thing. There are many who play NMS just to fly space ships.. I'm personally looking forward to Light No Fire, as a fantasy style NMS is right up my alley.. If they eventually add vr support like in NMS.. people may not see me again. I am very much content with exploration and seeing whats over the next hill.. I'm the guy who slow walks in rpgs.. So you know there is something wrong with me... Also here's a cookie.. 🍪

[@nikolainikiforov3883]

Looking forward to it my self, the scale is kind of hard to comprehend, I love exploration games and the fact that this planet is supposed to have multiple biomes and even rivers, on the scale they claim, which I think they can pull off, I can't wait. I really hope if one does run unto another build that we can share our explored map information via a map table or something along those lines. First objective is to circumnavigate the entire map, and I really hoe we can make roads, that would be super.

[@daniell5740]

The difference is this has had 10+ years of no man sky experience. They learned a lot from their failures and put that knowledge into this game. Especially helps they are using engine they used before

[@RodneyG669]

Not just the engine they used before, they built that phone for No Man's Sky, they know it very, very well.

[@nobo1982]

Is it possible that them figuring out how to pull off no mans sky (even if it took years post release) has given them the know how to pull this off for launch? It will certainly be an interesting one to watch as more info becomes available.

[@NiceB4dge]

To me, most people seem reasonably "hyped" for this game, mainly because it looks just like a "basic" survival game, only with a larger map that has more realistically scaled environments. Technically, with what was explicitly announced, it is less ambitious than No Man's Sky in every way except the scale of the planet's procedural generation. The only way some people (a minority, tbh) are getting disturbingly hyped, is when it comes to the multiplayer aspect : we don't know how it will exactly work, so it would be reasonable to expect No Man's Sky's multiplayer and *nothing more*, and yet some people are starting to imagine some insanely ambitious tech like Star Citizen's seamless server-meshing which would let every player on Earth play in the same instance with persistence, and work together as groups of hundreds/thousands in a MMO fashion...

[@frenchtoastenjoyer]

I mean out of all the game award trailers this one had genuinely gameplay instead of just cgi cinematics, say what you will about NMS I’m pretty excited nonetheless for the title.

[@frenchbloo]

Mate... you literally see them fight with arrows and swords in a few short snapshots -_- now I am not advocating to how GOOD that combat will be but there is more than just the base building there

[@chase5436]

I don't care. Hello Games has worked on NMS for almost 8 years after launch, and all those updates are free. I'm giving them my money, if nothing else than to thank them for their work on NMS. I'm hyped for this game and I really don't care if it's not as amazing as people think it's going to be. I don't care if it's not going to be as amazing as I think it's going to be (I really don't have any expectations). Hello Games now has a reputation of working on their games far longer after their launch than most developers ever think to. I get that people who don't play NMS don't have that same belief, but it's pretty disingenuous to just throw away all the work they've done to fix their reputation the past 8 years. "Most of what they promised" No, they delivered everything they promised and more over the last 8 years. Just stop, we get it, you don't play NMS and don't understand the work they've put into it. I'm sure you're super excited for whatever CDPR comes out with next though... You're being pathetically hypocritical, Luke. "They're not magical." Neither is CDPR but you describe their work as magic constantly. You made an entire video praising them for adding a tram system, Luke.

[@treysmith1551]

Totally agree. This is one of Luke’s worst Videos yet. Lukes recently been putting out L takes and I’m kinda thinking I should unsubscribe. Bro forgave CDPR for their shit game and I have no idea why.

[@GamersBlogX]

I'm not really "hyped" but I am optimistic. So long as they take their time with it, don't set a definitive deadline (one of the reasons NMS had problems at launch), be willing to delay as long as they can, and don't over promise what they can deliver for the initial launch, I am hopeful that it will be good. I also hope they focus on making the combat significantly better then NMS, because NMS felt quite janky combat-wise (not bad, just awkward). An example of me being hype is Monster Hunter Wilds. I am buying that game day one, pre-ordering it even, because I'm a sucker for Monster Hunter and I will play it no matter what. They'd have to make individual monsters separate DLC instead of an expansion or free update for me to drop Monster Hunter as a series.

[@GarretGreen]

No man, this game is going to be on another level I can sense it. Everything in the trailer looked amazing and No Man Sky is an amazing game. Theres no doubt they learned from the launch of No Man Sky and them focusing focusing on 1 planet and adding RPG elements has me beyond hyped. But I'm curious what "didn't look particularly great" to you?

[@Retribution8]

I'm hopefully optimistic for this game. I love NMS and where it's come, so we'll see what they'll be able to pull off this time around. It looks like it could be quite enjoyable.

[@MrAnony07]

With what they did with NMS I'd say we give them a chance they learned there lesson & had one if if not the biggest comebacks in ganeing history.

[@boki1693]

I am an optimistic at heart that wants to believe all the hype. But ever since Chronicles of Elyria burned me big time, I have become skeptical with just about every game. Oh sure I still get hyped up for a game. It's just that I temper the hype with a "wait and see" attitude before I fully invest in a game now. So sad really. And now on a side note. Why is it become acceptable for every game to be released either broken or incomplete? When Steam started the trend to buy Beta's of games for a fraction of the cost, I thought that was a great thing. But now it seems the game companies have taken advantage of that by charging full price for games that are incomplete but advertising that they are finished.

[@shivamutreja6427]

Hello Games Strengths: 1. Procedural generation 2. Tech trees 3. Base Building Weaknesses: 1. Story arcs/ Quest writing 2. MMO-level player concurrency In conclusion, a measured expectation for this game is a 4-8 player co-op survival fantasy sandbox similar to Lego Fortnite or Valheim. That still sounds like fun!

[@daniell5740]

Weaknessess? They told a story in their own way and it was good. They never wanted a mmo. So your points are invalid

[@KoryFPV]

with what they have learned, and the money they have made, I hope this game shines. Narrative is what might be the short fall.

[@DroosterH]

So, Luke's philosophy is 'don't find joy in anticipation'? Luke, I think you're a good creator, but sometimes you can bum people out. I'm beyond hyped for this game, but _obviously_ I'll do my due diligence on release like with _any_ game. You can do both.

[@Pokapix]

I like the concept of having an engine with different “plugins” running to give different features to each game, and then take these and reuse it for the other game as the tech evolves. With Light No Fire, I imagine this might be the best thing going to happen for No Mans sky, they could take all the experience from making 1 planet with lots of content and variation of life and different climate depending on on where you are on the planet, and take this tech and run that “plugin” in No Mans sky, so we could have all these planets, and really see civilations on these in the future, with variation of landscape changing where you are on the planet and different tripes and maybe even different ages of tech on them :) Dreaming, but doing two so different games with one focus on endless planets, and the other one with 1:1 content, this could only benefit No Man Sky, If the team are planning to keep on evolving No Man’s Sky

[@stardustdragonx3612]

Sean Murray is not a good salesman. I don't know where you get that thought from. When no man sky first was shown off, people thought he was lying because of his demeanor.

[@Epiphone1964]

If you are an NMS player, with all that you can do in that universe, and the depth and richness of the lore, and the community engagement they do with expeditions and weekend mission specials etc... it is easy to get excited about Light No Fire. All Hello Games has to do is to keep doing what they are doing, and we know it will be amazing.

[@matthijsweststrate5552]

Remember no preorders. the previous game was falsely advertised. there is a big chance this is to

[@chrispharmd2077]

Why is it that the Creation Engine 2 is always the same, but Baldur's Gate 3 isn't just DoS3 for gambling addicts?

[@Mike-pd6np]

It's okay to be excited/interested, but you should always remain cautious. I'm definitely excited to see what this game brings, but I'm not full throttle on the hype train because 1, we know almost nothing about the game, and 2, while they've definitely made up for the terrible launch of no man's sky, it's important not to forget just how much was promised and what wasn't delivered. So taking what Sean says with a grain of salt is the best course of action here.

[@TheOnlyTaps]

Exactly 💯💯💯

[@kyoken3855]

Anything “promised” was delivered day one. Anything else, like multiplayer, was planned content that didn’t make into the game day one. Sean consistently talked about things that were in development, or plans they wanted to implement, but didn’t have ready and developed. Extremely bad idea, but he didn’t lie or promise things that weren’t there. Only thing that was PROMISED, was a full universe in which you could explore. That was there day one.

[@Mike-pd6np]

@@kyoken3855 Sean literally confirmed multiplayer when he was on a talk show, showing off the game. Stop acting like he didn't overpromise and under deliver. If he didn't promise these things, the game wouldn't have been considered a flop on launch. Sean and the team wouldn't have been berated for the way the game launched. You're delusional if you think otherwise. Not delivering the game they advertised and promised is the sole reason they were shit on until it was fixed.

[@kyoken3855]

@@Mike-pd6np he did NOT confirm multiplayer. Like I said, he talked about plans that the team planned on implementing, but were not developed or finished at the time of talking about them. Which AGAIN, was a very bad move, but the only one delusional here is the one thinking he did that with malicious intent and knew that it wouldn’t be there at launch. That’s horseshit. The public on mass considered every mention of every feature a promise that it would be there day one, yet the only thing they ever promised was an infinite universe in which you could explore. And that’s what we got day one. You type of people are ridiculous.

[@c1audius]

Altogether now: “I’m cautiously optimistic.”

[@kraxmel]

I found this video because I was searching "light no fire hype is in full swing". So, quite a timely video (it just came out 13 hours ago)! And, IMHO, very balanced. We hardly know anything about this new game and it's getting insane how many videos I'm seeing with guesses spoken almost like facts being put out and the comments saying this is going to be the greatest game ever (I'm exaggerating...a little). I really hope the game turns out to be good. If it is, I know I WILL be buying and playing it a TON.

[@cendresaphoenix1974]

Ever played rust, ark, or Conan exiles? If you haven't then how about gta online? Get where I'm going here? It's a miserable experience.

[@AzureRook]

I play on a modded Valheim server and agree LNF may not have a persistent gameplay loop beyond reaching endgame gear, but maybe showing off builds and community driven events are enough

[@NeoShameMan]

As someone who follow pcg pretty closely, I wonder how they will handle story, quest and lore, especially in term of emotion and dynamism.

[@troneenort7304]

I feel like there will be no story. But I would really like that they implement it in some way

[@ryanakahoward5246]

Why don't devs say "We want to add this. We would to have it like this. We are aiming to do that." Rather than "It's gna have this. We are going to have that. It will be like this with that mixed in."

[@essentialasa]

It wouldn't matter. People would still treat it like they promised. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@ryanakahoward5246]

@@essentialasa Sad but true.

[@65firered]

It's better to keep ideas not locked in, quiet. Outside of getting people's hopes up, it can be easy to over-promise. Stick to the core elements and features that you KNOW will be there.

[@pixels_per_minute]

I would hope Hello Games knows how they should market a game after the disaster that was the launch of No Mans Sky, and now the redemption that is has had. Murray himself doesn't know how to speak with people publicly. We all know that, and it lead to him loosing all credibility, but the man stuck to his promise and earned most of it back. Chances are they'll just keep their heads down, and god forbid they let Sean Murray back on stage to fumble over his words.

[@loki_3545]

Anyone who gets hyped by a hello games game is being moronic. I play NMS. I have 3000 hours in it as a builder. I am very hesitant about this new game. Their communication sucks. Oct 2022 they released an update that pissed off many of their base. I averaged 1200 hours in 2021. This year I played 200 because of their lack of wanting to communicate. Don't be excited. Be skeptical. People mention all the free updates.. but look at what they gave us (and will give us Feb 24). New ships.. it's their default. They aren't story tellers. They couldn't tell an interesting story to save their lives. I can't imagine how they plan to have folks continue going when they couldn't even tell a story in NMS. Now the one thing they can do is make build systems. So that has me intrigued. But it hg. The game will be passable 3 years after it launches... T least by their track record

[@Phantazmay]

Tbh I just wanna buy the game to support Hello Games. They've been awesome throughout all this years without asking for a dime. I pre ordered NMS and was extremely disappointed, but came back to it 2 years later and it felt like a new game. Their reddit community is super fun too. So I should probably be more careful around them after what they did, but imo they earned my trust again. We'll see. If they over deliver again this is going to be chaos. They need to prove all their loving fans right.

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

I'll admit, if they pull it off it will be something else

[@justins6134]

To me it looks like a primarily survival type game, with a no man’s sky type storyline mixed in, which I’m definitely here for

[@gangstazchannels5954]

That's exactly my taught lol nms version fantasy. They have the assets, they have the experience, the had the time and the money and the good will, expecting them to make a nms version fantasy isn't setting crazy expectations like wtf are people even yapping about lol

[@justins6134]

@@gangstazchannels5954 yeah the bones are clearly there in no man’s sky, and they really haven’t really promised anything that they haven’t already done in that game. I’d imagine the biggest challenge will be making the multiplayer function how they would want it to.

[@gangstazchannels5954]

@@justins6134 I'm confident the gale will launch in a better state that nms at launch, and from that we have 10 years more of improvement, not just starting improvement from scratch, bruh I'm confident the game would be great, not for everyone of course but I truly don't understand why people are talking like they made the game yersetday night in a pool party 😂 also we have to take into account, that this game may be fully next gen, so the limitations of the ps4 and shit wouldn't be there to hold it back in what it can achieve, both in graphics and gameplay. Also fuck, the community of hello games is one of the best in video gaming and I've played a lot of games 😂 I can't wait to see you guys there to build our little village 💪👍

[@paopao.]

The similarity in trailer is obviously intentional. I thought everyone realized that. It was done on purpose either to overwrite that stigma for their first release trailers, or just pride as a studio to announce that "we are not that studio anymore"

[@SaintInix]

The only thing that concerns me about this game is the lack of combat in the trailer. There's soooo many cool mechanics and features in No Man's Sky, and I have no doubt that many of the secondary bits, crafting, building, exploring, etc... Will be cool. However, Hello Games has not shown they have any idea what fun or engaging combat is, or how it's designed. NMS combat is barely passable, and that worries me a bit. Hopefully it's good, I'll give them a chance on it because of all the stuff they have accomplished in NMS, in the end, at least we know they won't sweep it under the rug.

[@johnnyjay6959]

I forget the name of the modders that do some great mods for Skyrim put out a message saying they are stopping all work on mods they were doing for Starfield bc it’s a trash game. They didn’t say trash game but it was HEAVILY implied. They said they weren’t wasting their time bc of the many issues with the code. Idk I read that and thought oh shit. No more hype here. lol

[@TheOnlyTaps]

Great watch and coverage as always! People should be excited but cautious. I dont know why people love to give blind loyalty to any company/studio. Be hyped be excited but be cautious and actually WAIT for the product to drop and THEN make a decision. When will gamers learn! Keep up the great work Luke 🙏🏿👊🏿

[@obenohnebohne]

I wasn’t affected by the Hype for NMS. I learned about the game 1 before launch. I played it for like a week and had my fun with it. Over the years they added stuff and the game became inanely complex. LNF is the first game in years I feel a little bit more interested in than any other game. I wasn’t burnt by NMS, but I closed my heart to any type of hype. And i was right to do so, because Cyberpunk 2077 and Starfield were broken and overhyped. Most big games underdelivered at launched. I am with you: it is healty being sceptic about anything, especially with a launch trailer. But Hello Games have the ability to turn LNF into something big. I hope, they manage expectations better. I hope, they learn from their mistake. And I like the feeling of being a little bit excited for a game. I haven’t felt that in years. I hope, that I don’t get burnt.

[@crashboredom2]

I'm personally very excited about this game, but I also know that Sean said this is a small team of a dozen people working on this, so I know it won't have everything that no mans sky has at launch, but 10 years from now I bet there will be 40 free updates.

[@SqualingtonConstantine]

Light No Fire looks nearly identical to No Man's Sky mechanically. The terrain generation, the flying, base building. I think the big differences will be coming with combat and RPG mechanics.

[@Zeltaris]

What makes you think that a company with basically the same people, that disappointed players at first and improved the game to what it is today, could regress and disappoint in the same way again? They clearly know how to make a lot of things work now. This game can only be an improvement on the lesson they've learned. Besides this being more compressed yet being a giant open world, I don't see how you can mess that up using the same engine. I believe that the hype should be more validated now based on the successes that no man sky eventually achieved. You are still right to say that hype is generally a set up for disappointment, but not everything needs to be in the extreme. I am for one "excited" about this future game that I know little about.

[@PandaBearJelly]

I'd say they do have a pretty great track record SINCE the disaster that was the NMS launch. Let's keep in mind how long ago that was at this point and what they have done since. I can't really think of one mistake they have made in all the updates they have provided to NMS over the past 7/8 years. It seems pretty clear they learned from their mistakes. A simpler game like The Last Campfire should also be considered in the equation, a recent game from the same team that has received nothing but praise. I completely agree, people need to keep expectations in check. Personally, I'm just expecting what we currently have in NMS but a bit more focused and refined, set to a different genre. If that's what we get, I think many people will be very happy. If you've recently played NMS and didn't like it, you probably aren't going to like this.

[@RiverRockRecords]

Sometimes id rather have people blinded with Video Game hype.. than Hateful because of other People's actions in the real world. Its much safer.. even with the depression overhype gives you.

[@CrazedDanMan]

I don't understand why hype is such a bad thing haha. In my experiences I've learned it honestly makes me enjoy games way more even if they aren't as incredible as I expect them to be. I genuinely feel like this approach of "skepticism" can also create a strong bias. What's wrong with going in to something being overly optimistic? Worst case, it sucks and you move on lol

[@the_prasenjeet]

@@CrazedDanMan yep, i agree.

[@Bulletmagnet111]

I’m definitely hyped, but I don’t expect this game to be flawless. I expect the multiplayer to be janky and rough, I expect the “persistent” player constructions to be like the uploaded bases from nms. I’m very curious on how they’re going to tweak their formula, but I don’t expect anything marginally better than nms.

[@ClellBiggs]

Well, at least we know they'll fix it if doesn't release in the best shape. lol

[@frankg1415]

Yeah.. can't be worse than The Day Before LMAO

[@NicholasBrakespear]

I think there's every reason to be quietly optimistic - given what they've done with No Man's Sky, there's nothing in their trailer that isn't possible. But everyone would do well to remember that even if they can do everything they're promising... they can also still mess it up with a broken, glitchy, badly optimized launch, and/or network problems etc. So I'd say, celebrate the fact that you can reasonably trust that they will indeed keep working on the game, but accept that it may NEED continued work, and don't pass out hyperventilating over a title that isn't out yet.

[@xetir]

I’m completely ok with a barebones game with light crafting with nms style updates lol

[@xetir]

There’s a lot of things you can assume very strongly are in the game from the trailer lol

[@infrared6973]

All I can think about listening to what this game is is todd howard going on and on about how amazing 1000 planets is. Like word the games really the size of the earth is that right? lolol

[@ezeNdog]

After watching trailers of no man's sky, thinking it looks cool, great idea but ughh.... Then after their recent update, and starting a playthrough. No man's sky is so big and so diverse that it's beyond comprehension. It would mathematically take u over some 70 million years in real time to explore every planet. It's endless what u can actual create, from base building on a random planet to fleets of spaceships exploring the galaxies looking for loot and materials while u do your own thing. It takes over 60 hours of game play to actually understand how to do things in the tutorial, you're still in the ”welcome to star field" at almost 100 hours in game play and learning how things work. I don't think most people realize and appreciate what's going on with this game, its far more than people realize.

[@fotosrotas]

No mans sky fans expect nothing more than the same formula, applied in a more concentrated way, on a single planet. It is the same engine, which they had 7 years to refine and perfect. If light no fire manages to give me half of the 600 hours of exploration that NMS gave me, I'm satisfied, so I don't think my hype is unjustified.

[@X862go]

I am beyond hyped ! I currently have 300 plus hours on NMS remember they went from joe dangerous to No Mans Sky!

[@xsoundofsil3nc3x96]

But the Creation engine 2 actually WAS a revamp of the engine. Revamped rendering system, revamped lighting system, revamped materials system, revamped weather system, revamped procedural generation system, on a technical level, it IS a revamp. You can’t say that Unreal engine 3 is the same as Unreal engine 5 and that nothings changed and it’s all “tech Words”, there ARE quantifiable differences in the tech. Still bugs, because Bethesda, but overall a much more advanced iteration of the engine than Fallout 4. Btw starfield is an amazing game stay mad about it lol

[@Dr.UldenWascht]

This is technically absolutely true. And the fact is, contrary to what many believe, BGS has never used a single engine twice. I'm quoting my modder friends that "each game the engine has gotten significantly more capable and more stable". However people expected something more. What they assumed "Creation Engine 2" implied was an attempt at solving the age old problem. An engine that can be interacted with the same as before at the level of syntax/code, but at the same time it's written from the ground up to circumvent all the problems and limitations of the previous engines. It was a challenging task, but a multi-billion dollar company had the resources to do that. But they didn't. And to be honest, why would they when the previous strategy still sells?

[@ShadowTani]

The NMS gameplay loop we have today is not that different from what it was in the beginning, there was just so much that got in the way for it which made it bad. In my case I couldn't play the game properly in the beginning because I kept encountering bugged or poorly optimized planets that would crash you so frequently there was a challenge to escape them. I'm expecting a similar gameplay loop in LNF, and I won't be surprised if it comes off a bit barebones to start, but that's fine if I can actually play the game, lol. And considering they don't have Sony forcing them to release early I'm not too worried about that. But that's just me. x3

[@khaidircentaury]

Bro forget to mention Sean that he will update this game for 10 years

[@ehenningsen]

This is why i am going against my rule of not buying day 1 for this release. I fully acknowledge it may turn it bad on release, but what they did with NMS and their approach to this game is making me want to reward them.

[@khaidircentaury]

@@ehenningsen but they have head start which is they have more time before release and they have same engine with No Mans Sky.

[@ehenningsen]

@khaidircentaury Yeah. It is great that they have had this jump on it. I want to check this bad boy out

[@ndwknss]

NMS is STILL over hyped to this day! I just recently went and played through the entire game again, about 100 hours, and it's still just OKAY. It's no man's sky. Nothing more. People are giving them a pass because of the free updates over the years but I don't want a good game that takes 10 years, no one should want that. We ought to demand as gamers a great game at launch. Nothing less is acceptable. If a dev gets away with it once they will cut corners again, even if it's not intintionally deceptive this time around, we shouldn't hold our breath this time around. Good video as usual.

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

It's definitely not impossible, but I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Hello Games would EVER repeat the same mistakes they made with No Man's Sky! Especially because now, they are unburdened by corporate money and forced release dates. They're developing Light No Fire on their OWN terms, and I think their game is gonna launch the way they want it to!

[@sheepgrass500]

I really hope there is a story to follow in the game, what made me stop playing no mans sky was I didn't like the story and when I don't like storys in games I get instantly bored, so I reallyyyyy hope this had an actual story to it and not just vague stuff thrown in and thats it

[@KenLinx]

Here's your clickbait title a year or two from now when the game releases: "I Was Wrong About Light No Fire" with the thumbnail being of the Light No Fire atlas torch logo with big bold white-lettering text reading "This Changes Everything.."

[@DVictor23]

The creation engine 2 is as much marketing as the unreal engine 5. You always make a shit ton of assumptions without knowledge, that's your biggest downside.

[@makdrumz]

This is going to be epic based on including and expanding upon everything they 've created for NMS till now...but on a fantasy setting taking place on a single planet with much more details and verticality from what it seems. Good enough for me! DO NOT disappoint us, Hello Games!

[@sdrawk3611]

It looks interesting, but I caution people to temper their expectations. Its amazing how people are like "NO YOU ARE CRAZY HAVE YOU SEEN NMS??!" and I'm just sitting there thinking this could be amazing, but it could also be boring. I must admit though this looks a lot more appealing to me than the original NMS trailer did, and certainly more achievable.

[@irishbob26]

Its basically no mans sky but no sky. No mans ground? No mans planet?

[@dr.rooney7653]

I expect the game to play essentially exactly how no man’s sky plays only instead of flying to a different planet for a new biome instead of a dragon to another part of the same planet. That said NMS offers so much so I don’t expect it to be any less anticipating

[@JustNTimeGames]

I agree that hype can be a bad thing and ultimately lead to disappointment and loss of money... Hell, it's happened to me more than I can count. That being said, every now and then, there is a developer that I feel has earned my hype, and Hello Games is one of them. Even if Light No Fire doesn't hit everything that I hope it does at launch, I have absolutely 100000% confidence they will NMS it and keep updating it until it's a masterpiece. I have zero issues with giving them my money for this game.

[@Acidity01]

Creation Engine 2 is not the exact same thing as CE1. Yes it might have some of the same problems and stuff but its still a significant upgrade over the first one. If we go by your logic than Unreal Engine 5 is just the same engine as Unreal Engine from 1999, Valve's Source 2 is the same engine as Quake engine from 1996 etc.

[@Sandro_de_Vega]

I have ambivalent feelings. I was disappointed with NMS myself (although now I think they managed to fix it). So common sense tells us that "since they sold us a piece of crap once, which they had to repair for years, they will do it again." But on the other hand... when Hello games made NMS they had nothing. They had a concept, but it was so loose that they didn't even know what they wanted to do in this game. They had no skills, no technology, no specific vision, no grasp on the reality of how many players spend absurd amounts of time on such games, so they did not predict how identical their "procedurally generated worlds" would look. And they had no idea how much time was needed for such a large project. But now they have all these things. If, for example, Microsoft announced Minecraft 2 and it was exactly the same game, but instead of a procedurally generated infinite world, we had a procedurally generated universe with planets, moons and asteroids (a bit like Astroneer), wouldn't you believe them? Because Minecraft has been in development for 20 years, so surely they won't be able to do it? Exactly. And Hello Games is in the same situation. They already have their Minecraft, all they need is a handful of lines of code for a few new elements and new textures for old mobs. This trailer didn't show anything that they didn't already have in the NMS futures closet.

[@Randaddy25]

We can pretty much assume that LNF will continue to get better and better over the years. It's a first day buy from me. I might even pre-order.

[@34KIN]

I need to see more about the game. Like i dont understand what the point of the game is. You see like the bunny people kneeling to you. Are you some type of hero? You see them holding different weapons so how much are you fighting stuff. Is that big robot looking guy a boss? Are the different creatures aggro to you and if you kill them do you get different things you can craft stuff with? Like if its just about exploring what are you exploring. Are there like dungeons with traps and stuff? Like minecraft is more about the building but they have atleast added bosses here and there. Is this the same and minecraft has mobs that attack you often do the creatures attack you often? Was there leveling? Like nothing was explained in this at all. I get the hype when you get an idea of what its supposed to be but i just have no clue. No man sky is so much different now and i expect they learned from it so i assume it will be solid but wtf are you doing in it?

[@kyuubey7688]

For some reason I'm getting major Dream World vibes from the trailer. I don't doubt their talent, but the trailer lacks any cohesion. It's this you can do anything, do everything, every genre, last game you'll ever play. I want them to succeed but I'm not sold yet.

[@tallll70]

I personally would be interested in this just from the point of scenic exploration, but most people probably would not... Let's not forget AAA Studios have problems populating a huge game maps, game surface bigger than Earth will be that much more difficult to make gameplay interesting... so let's expect less and get surprised more

[@TyaColo]

I agree with the skeptical take and honestly personally I’m a little confused what the point of the game is supposed to be as well, we just have to wait and see. With that said, I can also understand those saying they’re going to support the game regardless because of the good will shown over time with No man’s sky despite the epic disaster it was at launch, and there’s something to be said for that level of dedication. In a world where games that don’t succeed are immediately abandoned I can empathize with wanting to support a studio that has proven they’re not like that, but at the same time I still think it’s a bad idea to blindly trust, hype over, and preorder any game especially based off of a 2 min trailer 😭😭😭

[@TheOnePistol]

I was hurt back in 2016 with the launch of No Man's Sky. But I feel HelloGames has done more than enough to earn back both my trust and excitement.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

What genre is this game?

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

Fantasy Survival.

[@fapperino-ql4zu]

Im really surprised they havent hired some kind of PR or spokesperson to speak for Sean. The man is incredibly awkward. It's cute, but the media took advantage of him in a big way. That being said, as others have pointed out, I dont think it's wrong to be hyped about this game because the framework is already there. The biggest challenge will be scoping out having every player exist on one planet. It would only take like 100 players to colonize the entirety of a No Man's Sky planet if they wanted to turn it into Coruscant from Star Wars. So Im interested to see just how massive this planet will be. It will be larger than any No Man's Sky planet for sure. At the end of the day. In Starfield we cant walk around planets. In No Mans Sky, around a 9 year old game now, we can. Bethesda set Hello Games up for all this hype (which also makes me wonder if Hello Games might've released a trailer too soon because they wanted to capitalize on all the bad press.)

[@SteveBonario]

(with apologies to The Doors). "C'mon baby light no fire....C'mon baby light no fire...try and set my PC on FYYYAAAH!!!""

[@ruiverresty3669]

To tell you the truth I'm not sure open world with size of Earth is a good idea. Most of us have no idea how big the Earth is, we know the numbers but we've never experience it. Back then traveling between one place to another takes days if not weeks or even months. What if I want to revisit places I had been, should I travel there and how long would that take? real life days?

[@econundrum1977]

It is a new game, but not an entirely new engine I would guess it's the same engine they've been working on since no man's sky came out somewhat modified. Personally I feel they will deliver something better than no man's sky on launch in terms of an interesting world. The bit I'd find more of a question is how it will work as an RPG and will it be fun to play as well as interesting to explore. But what gives me faith it will be of great interest is all the experience they have gained and technology they created for procedural generation while working for so long to make noan sky a great game. I agree it's too early to get to hyped but it's very interesting none the less.