Ghost of Yotei is a step too far

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[@odeball22]

Game awards arnt real dont use that as an example, the only thing real is steam reviews.

[@Shatterglass23]

LOL YOU'LL LIVE. LOTS of female Japanese warriors back then. She's not fictional. YOU'LL LIVE.

[@odeball22]

@@Shatterglass23 did you buy the final fansty 7 remake?

[@Funko777]

Nice, finally a KZbin advertisement I'll use! Dedicated game design and programming schools are ridiculously expensive, don't blame you for dropping out.

[@danielkelsosmith]

Doesn’t this just show that these sponsor links don’t work. 8 likes on your pinned comment lmao.

[@Error-mn4el]

turns out that if you beat a dog long enough it will run away even if you raise a hand holding a treat because it sees a raised hand, truly shocking

[@Justcallmelou]

Poetic

[@socratese5]

@@Justcallmelouconcise

[@dingdong3335]

@@Error-mn4el Imma screenshot this. What a great quote/analogy.

[@fancyjoey9102]

🎯

[@d4mterro320]

so ure traumatized? sad. Trauma people go to the hospital, not on youtube 😂

[@Cidhighwind83]

"If you don't like it, don't buy it"...well that went well for EA when they said it....

[@royvice666]

Ubisoft too

[@chummygun]

Good thing he doesn't work for somy anymore lmao

[@LucLightWolf121]

Kelly Sue DeConnick, too.😂

[@LegoStarHawk98]

​@@chummygun I think that's the thing that gets me over the quote, the guy saying it hasn't worked for Sony for 5 years now.

[@DeadKingKnight]

@Krypto121true but if the ones who are complaining are THE dedicated fans then that’s a completely different story

[@inyourbase3026]

pattern recognition is a damn good way to explain it. its the devs fault that they conditioned actual customers to recoil from shoehorned issues.

[@bannedmann4469]

They’ve generated a quasi effective misogyny. It’s ironic, but I also suspect it’s by design.

[@nubbyfresh5623]

Buddy you do realize the different devs work for different companies right? What goes on in one studio has literally nothing to do with a different studio One thing you always have to keep in mind is look at the track record of the studio / developers actively working on the game. Ubisoft has had a CONSISTENT track record since roughly 2016 of working on absolute trash tear agenda-driven bullshit. Compare that to sucker Punch who has had a VERY consistent track record of doing the exact opposite. Consistently putting out banger after banger and even recently with Ghost of tsushima you can look at how they handle a strong female co-lead. They handled it perfectly and delivered a fantastic piece of work! So I'd say it's pretty safe to assume we're in the clear with getting a good game on this one.

[@raics101]

As usual, actman doesn't see the elephant in the room. It isn't a 'cry wolf' scenario if the wolf was actually there more often than not. If the boy in the story had this kind of success rate in calling out the wolf, villagers would've recognized the pattern and made him the official village scout.

[@mitkoogrozev]

Right, but pattern recognition doesn't mean you've recognized an actual pattern when it happens. I think a more appropriate description of what we do is the following : Do you know that game where a person starts drawing and you have to guess what they are drawing, and you say what it ''is'' before it's finished? We are basically good at "filling things in". The person might end up drawing something completely different from what you say they are doing, but we fill in anyway. And that's why learning about causality, and how to withhold your first thoughts and think about them first is useful. To regulate your tendency to fill things in and/or freely associate anything to be connected , to check how valid or likely it is whatever conclusions you are making with the little bits you have, or are you premature in your conclusions and instead withhold making conclusions/ignore your initial impressions recognizing it's not based on enough info. Same mechanism is involved in becoming racist or superstitions etc. Always based on some bits of actual experience since no one truly completely makes shit up, BUT we fill things in if we don't take a step back and examine what we are doing.

[@naturallawgiver]

​@@nubbyfresh5623three points to consider: 1. Ghost of Tsushima had low-key woke. No attractive women for one and there was a prominent old lesbian samurai character. 2. It's not just the studios and devs...Sony has a heavy hand in all 1st party studios and they're all in on woke. 3. Games have long development cycles...GoT came out in 2020...was most likely in development since 2015. The woke started ramping up in 2016 so you can see the start of it in GoT...but it's REALLY ramped up since 2020... just look at the shocking difference between God of War 2018 to Ragnarok. Time will tell but given the performance artist chosen for the lead and that this is Sony...I will be genuinely surprised if the game doesn't have some heavily subversive themes. Last thought...given Sucker Punch's pedigree I'm sure it will be gorgeous with polished fun gameplay...but the best propaganda is made so that you'll love it. Arcane comes to mind...well done artful and masterful propaganda is still propaganda.

[@AkyraStrike]

"Female protagonists aren't the issue, its the inauthentic way that the industry has handled "inclusivity" over the last few years that has caused players to recoil at the sight of anything that resembles it." You absolutely nailed it here.

[@kiddgemini2068]

Yes it is the issue we DONT WANT TO PLAY A FEMALE ACTION HERO. They are trying to get rid of masculinity

[@0h_hey944]

But tbf this character isn't some woke DEI thing at all, and is just expanding on the world. Her being a woman isn't going to negatively impact the story in any way, and its set in a completely different area for a reason. Them going away from the main character is them signaling they want to make the "Ghosts of ___" a thing. This could open up so many GOOD things, Imagine a "Ghosts of Cardiff" or some other place in Europe with a focus on medieval combat. I feel like people have started with the idea that this will be bad because of a female protagonist, and are finding evidence for that and nitpicking everything. I feel this isn't throwing away our fan favorite characters, as it is expanding on the world they already have. Unless they kill him off in the first 10minutes of the game, its almost a guarantee that we'll see him again. Like he came to the conclusion in the video, we really just gotta wait and see, but if I had to bet money on this, its going to be a great game, and a GOTY contender.

[@bwhere45]

@@0h_hey944 the character might not be, but the voice actress categorically is. Don't play dumb by willfully ignoring why people are pointing DEI out. It's easy to say everything's fine when you live with horse blinders on.

[@talkingbutt3150]

@@bwhere45 _"the character might not be, but the voice actress categorically is. Don't play dumb by willfully ignoring why people are pointing DEI out. It's easy to say everything's fine when you live with horse blinders on."_ Are you sure that you want to die on that hill ? You use this word DEI, a word that you yourself have never use before until you heard it being use by someone else. You then regurgitate a word that you don't even understand its meaning and its origin. Here's a hint the word DEI is in the context that you were just regurgitating, its origin is from conservative politic. Conservative incels basement dwellers use it to put down woman. Now ask yourself this: Am I also one of those Conservative incels basement dwellers ?

[@RealKoolKid1]

Think the typical nerd base of white men needs to grow up and learn that it’s literally a non issue.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

You just nailed it, my man. Nothing wrong with female protagonists, but activist game designers have turned it into a red flag. People need to wait until they know more before judging the game, but being suspicious at this point is completely justified.

[@ethanwintersseveredhand]

At least they are not catering to the right-wing.

[@LordHaragnok]

​@@ethanwintersseveredhand What does it even mean to "cater to the right wing"

[@LawrenceNewman-f1z]

​@@ethanwintersseveredhanddefine right wing.

[@gabrielmccray3457]

Dude. They're saying space marine 2 is woke and dei. When you stand on the same side of the racists. It's hard to pick you out.

[@ethanwintersseveredhand]

@@aaronhumphrey3514 capitalists/bigots like you. And @lordharagnok

[@marchmelloow]

As RomanianTVee says: It's like if you find me squatting on your kitchen table, with my pants down and a pained expression on my face, and, when you accuse me of shitting on your table, I said, "but how do you know it's shit when it isn't out yet?"

[@flaviusiacob1558]

True!

[@tblicher]

But if you would be on the kitchen table like this, usually the thing that comes out is shit. Same goes here. People recognize a situation and based on the years of experience they have now, they expect a certain outcome. Expection anything else would be insane.

[@metallboy25]

Exactly.

[@hardbrocklife]

100%

[@M_CFV]

Vee is a fence sitting commie

[@tsalapbeew]

It's the devs fault for making their customers "hyper sensitive" to possible modern audience BS.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

Yep.

[@commandershepard7728]

I don’t think having a female protagonist is a “modern audience “ ( critical drink TM) problem. Samus was female and well loved Ripley in alien is well loved. Jin was a very bland character in my opinion While I don’t think odyssey is the best AC game I do like Kassandra as a protagonist And this is coming from a 20 year Warcraft player who doesn’t play female or body type 2(lol) models

[@Halfort57]

​@@commandershepard7728my brother in christ, this woman WOULD NOT be part of the project if the game's narrative didn't align with her politics

[@Saint.Cosmos]

Nah, you should be able to use basic critical thinking to understand the context of seeing a woman or a minority in the wild. If your first thought is that it's gotta be pandering, you're still part of the problem.

[@Xelpherpolis]

⁠@@Halfort57The first game ALREADY aligned with her politics. One of the most prominent characters in Tsushima is Lady Masako, an older 50-plus year old warrior woman who banged younger chicks on the side. Literally nothing we’ve seen about Yotei betrays the spirit of what was already established in the first game.

[@E.G.1005]

Gotta be honest. Jin was a fantastic protagonist. But I'm much more excited for a brand new story with brand new characters than I am watching Jin get his shit kicked in by a new adversary just to keep the sense of danger despite the fact that the previous game established he was nearly unkillable. Sequels tend to suck for me if they aren't drasticly changing their gameplay or giving you new characters that aren't established badasses yet.

[@kiddgemini2068]

So you rather play a weak female samurai warrior fighting against strong grown men that are way too powerful for her.

[@E.G.1005]

@@kiddgemini2068 rage bait won't work here. Be better.

[@NebuIaaa]

@@kiddgemini2068 you do realise that samurai don't only use raw strength to fight, right? the whole fighting style is about redirecting/deflecting attacks and agile, flowing movement, compared to the brutish strength the mongols use (if that's even who the antagonists will be). of course you are right that there would be a strength imbalance, but its important to consider that it isn't the only factor here plus, for gameplay purposes it doesn't really matter anyway cause of suspension of disbelief and all that

[@123hunterHUNTER]

​@@kiddgemini2068 shotei is 400 years after tsushima, jins dead move on

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

​@kiddgemini2068 First off you don't even know if she is a samurai. Secondly they had female samurai. Third Jin was saved by women in his game. Take your rage bait elsewhere

[@SP_TOOP]

Sony has yet again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

[@KiomonDuck]

I had to read that like 4 times. It's to early to make me have to think.

[@shnobi4221]

😂

[@DenBed]

Lmfao

[@iraford5788]

This game will definitely be a victory for Sony when it releases, regardless of any political narrative people try to spin on it.

[@nubbyfresh5623]

No. I honestly think in this case it's simply trolls and low brain cell commenters on the internet that are driving all of the discourse with this. One thing you always have to keep in mind is look at the track record of the studio / developers actively working on the game. Ubisoft has had a CONSISTENT track record since roughly 2016 of working on absolute trash tear agenda-driven bullshit. Compare that to sucker Punch who has had a VERY consistent track record of doing the exact opposite. Consistently putting out banger after banger and even recently with Ghost of tsushima you can look at how they handle a strong female co-lead. They handled it perfectly and delivered a fantastic piece of work! So I'd say it's pretty safe to assume we're in the clear with getting a good game on this one.

[@altair2098]

Games was already diverse until they started telling us there games are diverse

[@kempvaughn1827]

That's what I'm saying. Decades worth of incredible stories and characters have been ignored just to create unnecessary division and strife in the games industry.

[@stanislavkimov2779]

Even the most diverse setting ever, Cyberpunk 2077, will have a new game awful, because diversity agenda will be forced there, even if everything is already 100% diverse.

[@copingflower1909]

Its why its so backwards now, Ghost of tsushima was diverse and rich with a beautifully accurate portrayal of Japan back when, while with games now they say their diverse, but so many of them are filled with so much discrimination and blatant offensive content towards the cultures they are derived from

[@headkicked]

Tetris never had to worry about being diverse and Mrs Pacman broke glass ceilings before most of these modern feminists were even a sperm in their deadbeat fathers balls.

[@RedWolfenstein]

Most gamers are White guys or Asian guys especially when it comes to RPG's

[@stevemuzak8526]

"You have to force behaviors. If you don't force behaviors, whether it's gender or race or just any way you want to say the composition of your team, you're going to be impacted. That not just recruiting, it's development," Fink said. "We're gonna have to force change." Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock.

[@new_zzzombie]

100% true

[@Retrofun69]

He can force his fist up his Chocha that blackrock bastard.

[@excalibro8365]

You are absolutely right. The people who think woke media is ending because companies have lost millions clearly haven't been paying enough attention. Millions is a chump change to BlackRock, ESG won't go away anytime soon. Not to mention woke games like BG3, CP2077 and GoWR to name a few were very successful despite being clearly agenda driven.

[@schmiggidy]

Do yourself a favor: swap out Rat Fink's name for a certain mustachioed painter. You'll discover that the sentiment being expressed (and the INCREDIBLE arrogance behind it) are one-and-the-same.

[@jmal]

​​@@Ambander-p3xHe was against the painter because he saw him as _competition,_ when both of them are equally horrible people. Go be an NPC someplace else.

[@Paperweight0]

4:08 no it doesn’t make sense. That thinking is why we get fifa games every year. Jins story is done. He doesnt need another game and if you think he does, you don’t understand how proper stories work. The devs didnt make dustborn or concord they made Ghost of Tsushima. We know they can make a good game. Players are just mad that there is a female protagonist. thats it.

[@Goodies733]

Agreed

[@Jayden-ig5fz]

Preach dawg, like let the game drop and then we can all judge it. I have high hopes for the gameplay and mechanics, i just hope they take the story seriously as well

[@JarretBrown-0412]

Duhhh at least give us a dang option i hate being a dang female in a game where your kicking ass. Straight Gun games are different but at least give us the option

[@Jayden-ig5fz]

@ it’s a story game cuh and you can either play it or nah🤷🏽‍♂️ nothing wrong with a female protagonist.

[@michaelangelocobra8163]

I was losing my mind seeing multiple videos like this one come up and all the top comments agreeing with the video! I was like "why does a female protagonist matter then?" And they all say the same thing! "Oh it doesn't it's fine" but you're mad it's a female? "No we're mad that they're trying to be inclusive" 🤯 like bro what? I thought I was going crazy and then I found all the reasonable people in the comments 😌

[@jackyjackson604]

In my place, there's a saying "if you see a cockroach, good chance is there are a whole den of cockroaches hiding somewhere nearby". Those "warriors" just happen to hire people that think like them and repel anyone don't, and many members in the original group have left, so there's also a good chance the hiring of that actress is the one cockroach we see .... A legitimate concern IMHO

[@Chung_Wang]

Yes I worked for micro$soft gaming studios for many years. Its the rats you don't see that pervade 90% of modern gaming studios.

[@excalibro8365]

Great analogy. One of the best comment here.

[@rodrigofreitas3288]

And she's nothing more then the face of the game. Yup, of course, the game is for sure free of political drama. 🙃

[@brokenhanz-o4m]

@@Chung_Wang what do you do now? Did all the normal guys just quit and fall off the face of the earth? Why didn’t they create an actor’s guild or a video game company that makes non-woke games?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Likening Sucker Punch to a den of cockroaches...

[@SourRobo8364]

I'm just going to play Ghost of Tsushima and Space Marine 2 again.

[@CoreyAdolfi]

Sadly even Space Marine 2 hasn’t been spared being dragged into these ridiculous conversations.

[@TriFekt]

Space Marine 2 has also been called "woke" a lot too.

[@rod99ttett90]

Really why ? ​@TriFekt

[@LawrenceNewman-f1z]

​@@TriFektbecause it is. Just not as bad as many others.

[@gabrielmccray3457]

@@LawrenceNewman-f1z say it man. I know you want to. dont be a coward.

[@Bignuke87]

"Alt-right Japanese politicians" OMG please stop I cant take it anymore, my sides hurt 😂😂

[@tdspkhype3042]

I think USA doesn’t understand that the world politics isn’t same as theirs lol

[@tdspkhype3042]

I don’t think US understands that every other country has different politics huh

[@2156Charlie]

@@tdspkhype3042Yeah, our country has half of the population wanting Communism and Marxism

[@baka_ja_nai]

Japanese mainstream politicians are not even alt-, they are openly right wing nazi-style, glorifying all the war crimes Japan commited in ww2 like mass slaughter of civilians and human experiments.

[@baka_ja_nai]

Japan is also a country where the same right wing party rules for 50+ years and it's impossible to win against it because it's supported by US.

[@SugerSprinkledFun]

Did ghost of tsusima end with a cliff hanger? No. The story ended. So instead of dragging out an already finished story beyond its intended conclusion create a new story with a new protagonist. This is how new stories and characters get created. Not everything has to have a million sequels with the same tired old characters. Not everything is a Disney creation.

[@asterfield02]

Didn't end with a cliffhanger but ended with "there are still Mongols out there. Let's get them" or something which was kinda sequel baity

[@yungboxer9128]

@@asterfield02dawg that was an excuse to explain how the Mongolian camps and other mongol activities were still on the island. It was for a gameplay reason, not a story reason.

[@ElectricMizzalu]

You’re wrong it wasn’t a cliff hanger but it was eluded that Jin was now an outlaw, an enemy of shogunate, and that new lords loyal to the shogun were on there way to Tsushima. Couple that with the second mongol invasion that managed to make it to the mainland and you’ve got yourself a sequel that could have explored Jin’s further development and transformation into the ghost, dealing with isolation that accompanies being a pariah, trying to save his country and being hunted by his own countrymen, development of old new friendships, and even a possible further exploration of Tomoe. All of this a licence to print money for sucker punch but they dropped the ball and now that possibility very much hinges on the actual game and wether or not it’s a well crafted game with a well written story that doesn’t force diversity for the sake of it.

[@davidcook680]

Nah not interested in a girl boss insert.

[@mily7872]

Well said.

[@gaiarailink]

The game industry with its activists unintentionally trained their audiences to think like this. They created their own monster and expected it to give them money

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Obsidian made Fallout New Vegas woke and expected to get their bonuses too. LOL /s

[@justaguy3983]

@@Edax_Royeaux It is a pretty popular game.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@justaguy3983 Only got a 84 on metacritic on release, so no bonuses for Obsidian because it needed 85+ per their deal with Bethesda.

[@atreesto]

I love the "we only have our opinions because you made us have them!" take ownership for your dumbass opinion and move on.

[@RG32822]

The reason the industry is like this is because Straight masculine guys said gaming was only for gays. If you played video games you were a gay loser. Now those sports dudes are upset there's gay people making games Maybe stick to sports?

[@wavetactics13]

I'm more annoyed that they didn't follow up on Jin's story with the obvious hook the 2nd invasion provides than I am at the choice for the new protagonist. That said, me expressing that opinion somehow got someone to accuse me of irrationally hating on the new game.

[@sugipulaboule]

There is still hope they can bring it back for the third game.

[@MeggaMann_theBlueLion]

Same here. Me saying that i was attacked accused of being a sexist when all I said was I was disappointed after a 4 year wait that I don’t get a sequel of Jin.

[@deadhelix]

Idk I feel like it was supposed to be like that they told his story, wanted to have it end to tell their next, but also wanted to say “His work still isn’t done”. I never played the game yet so I could be wrong tho I just imagine it like a spiderman sort of thing where it ends a story with the writers showing despite it all spiderman has much more he will be doing off screen

[@cimpler]

Even worse, if Yotei was the 3rd installment after Jin´s story had finished in a second game, I would have welcomed it. There was so much still open in the narative. What happens with his relationship to his uncle( if you didn´t kill him, which I think was the canon ending), what happend with him being hunted by the shogunate, did he join or create a ninja-esque clan, the second mogol invasion, his realtionships with all the great characters( did the sake merchant/swindler ever make it to the main land or did Jin?) what happend to Yuna and his (maybe) relationship with her, does Jin have a legacy? And while a few of these things could be sprinkled into Yotei it will not be the same as if we would have expirienced with Jin as the MC. And even worse worse, since Yotei plays 300 years after the first game, the chances of us ever getting Jin back as an MC are probably zero....

[@MeggaMann_theBlueLion]

@@deadhelix you haven’t played the game? Ah then your thoughts are invalid my guy. Play the game

[@SpectreXS]

15:23 Spielberg is wrong about one thing - Games DID reach a very high emotional impact. But not anymore, and as long as they keep trying to be like movies, they won't.

[@Sorain1]

Damn right. I can think of two examples off the top of my head. Asura's Wrath brought me to tears of sorrow at one point and tears of joy at it's ending. (I won't spoil those.) Mass Effect 2 had a point where I changed my position in an argument over it. This one I'll explain. Garrus's loyalty mission. It sounds so simple: His little vigilante crew got betrayed and all but himself and the traitor were killed. He's finally tracked down the traitor and asks only that Shepard engage the traitor in conversation so Garrus can snipe him. Just before you get off the shuttle out to the location, Garrus and Shepard discuss just killing the traitor without even speaking to him. Garrus's final line is "If it was your crew, what would you do?" Shepard doesn't answer aloud, but the question alone caused me to reconsider the situation and in the end, stand aside for the shot to be taken. Because yeah, I would want to do far worse than the cold, instant and impersonal execution of a snipers shot. Is that reaction rational? No. It's purely an emotional one. It's a sentiment and feeling, not a logical conclusion or reasoned change of position. There have been other games, but those two are the ones that immediately sprang to mind in reply to Spielberg's position.

[@rodrigofreitas3288]

Games have reached that because of the movie industry and now has forgotten what it was supposed to be in the first place.

[@ArturoBandini-F]

@@rodrigofreitas3288 very keen observation...

[@StephenHunts]

Most movies in the past 10 years has been TERRIBLE! Games gave been better - SIMPLE

[@dantemorales1826]

“There aren’t a lot of male protagonists anymore” Astro Bot Ratchet Death Stranding Miles Morales Peter Parker Kratos (only one mentioned) Final Fantasy 16 FF7:Remake Ghost of Tsushima All these games have male protagonists Vs TLOU2 Horizon Returnal Stellar Blade Ghost of Yotei (unreleased) That seems like a pretty fair and even split And I didn’t even include the games where the default is male but you can choose like Helldivers and Demon’s Souls That’s not just a bad take, it’s simply wrong

[@GeronimoOoO7]

Retard

[@dangerousfelon]

Over 90% of gamers are male dummy so no, that split is not fair or balanced lmao

[@dantemorales1826]

@@dangerousfelon That's also not just a bad take, it's (also) simply wrong. Studies have all shown that nearly 50% of gamers are female. Not just that but the demographic of gamers should have nothing to do with the demographic of videogame protagonists. It's strange how important it is for some men to play exclusively as men all the time (also weird that it's always some strong, silent type man that is almost always white) Bad take, dummy. Google is free.

[@christbenitez8797]

Metroid Silent hill 3 Tomb raider Chainsaw lollipop Parasite eve Dino crisis

[@dantemorales1826]

@@christbenitez8797 Huh?

[@BobSmith-kk4kp]

Actually, there is a very good and consistent reason why people would not want to support this game over a single voice actor. They have learned over the past decade or so of games devolving into a censored, sanitized and micro-transacted mess that it is a very bad idea to keep giving money to people who hate, despise, and have no respect for you or what you do to earn your dollars - but will happily relieve you of them, while calling you a bigot. As you said many times, the corporations made the industry this way, and they are now reaping what they have sown. Maybe you are not at the point where you think this is a reasonable reaction, but many other are. They do not want to fund people who see them as the enemy, and I cannot blame them one bit.

[@xmatthyx1]

Everyone is everyone enemies nowadays. Dont buy anything, hide in a hole and enjoy

[@Lemminjoose]

Exactly. Why the hell should people give their money to people who despise them and call them things like nazi, incel, man baby, etc? I just don't get it.

[@BobSmith-kk4kp]

@@xmatthyx1 Spoken like an enemy. But, no, we will not be hiding any time soon 😂 Plenty of good indie and older games to play, we do not suffer for lack of quality games.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

This. Plus, as it has to keep being pointed out -- Sucker Punch hired this person as the lead for their game, knowing full well what she represents. If I'm a creative director I'm going to want someone who best represents my creation, and if I'm hiring someone like that then it means my views and her views align. The fact that people don't see this is actually almost more frustrating than the typical blogger responses, because Sucker Punch has full control over who they hire, and they could have hired any Japanese VA out there, but they specifically sought out... this person.

[@xmatthyx1]

@@BobSmith-kk4kp i wasn't specifically aiming it at you but if you feel threatened at every turn, how anxious must you be in your life day-to-day moment. Watch the good place, you'll see what I mean.

[@KaitenRyu5]

7:19 THIS! You hit the nail on the head, this is literally it! Gamers have NEVER hated strong female characters, because they were almost always very well written and relatable. What they have and will continue to hate is the disingenuity and pandering used when presenting the new "modern" versions.

[@MrDezokokotar]

I think thats because they were almost always designed and written by men. Thats not to say women are bad writers, but men know what men like. Men can write relatable characters that appeal to other men better than women can, for obvious reasons. And today, with so much more women in game dev, even characters that are still written by men have a much more feminine influence. They are... inoffensive, at best. The overall big studio culture, everywhere in the west, is such that male writers take care not to step on any toes, let alone risk offending some of their progressive colleagues, and female writers just write what they know and like, but that often doesnt appeal to most of the players (men) that much.

[@Leonhart_93]

​ @MrDezokokotar Yes, women written by women are like men without responsibility and accountability. Of course that's always ugly.

[@brokenhanz-o4m]

@@MrDezokokotar Your comment reminds me of all those nerdy protagonists like Peter Parker that got the babe in the end. The sad reality about your comment is that most women aren’t relatable to today’s men. Most men value honor and loyalty. Today’s women (not all/but most in high paying corporate positions) don’t value honor and loyalty due to their feminine nature of monkey branching for the next best thing. If Peter Parker were to butt heads with Clark Kent, Mary Jane would definitely monkey branch over to Clark Kent since he’s much more powerful as Superman compared to Spiderman. It’s sad, but it is reality. Most people call that the red pill. Most men would get men with writing about brotherhood, loyalty, and respect. In the past, they set a standard for how women should behave in order to get the partner they desire. Women would know what men would want from them based off of these stories written by men. This in turn, set a standard in the dating scene for men and women to treat each other with respect. A woman, on the other hand, would write about greed for a man’s character as that’s usually hard wired into a female personality that plays into their monkey branching nature. Some of the best villains in video game history weren’t crazy about greed… they were crazy about love, honor, loyalty, respect, etc (Dutch Van Der Linde, Voss from far cry 3, and Raul Menedez were amazing villains to name a few). A woman wouldn’t have a standard to set when writing about a woman because most women view being independent from men as a sign of power rather than weakness (when it’s really a sign of weakness since no one is dependent on her love). To put things frank and bluntly, men still want stories with women written by men because men still value loyalty, respect, and honor. Loyalty, respect, and honor are hard to get out of today’s modern female. In most cases, male writing of women are perfect forms of male escapism as most of us men will never experience that kind of love, honesty, loyalty, and respect from a woman because they will just see us as a person that pays the bills for their way of life. In the past, I used to think of Hollywood writers as if they were wise and fatherly in how they portrayed characters through their stories. A good fatherly figure thinks about consequences and outcomes to actions. A good writer does the same thing as most good storytelling has a lot of great consequences due to actions or lack thereof. I think a big problem with modern society is that everyone thinks they are a “great writer” due to 120 characters on their average social media posting. The psychology of guilt within social media has put activists on a pedestal to the point that they are now the clergy class of society that dictates virtue to the masses. That and our nonstop need for instant gratification is getting bad to the point that entire generations like generation z are synonymously characterized with brainrot.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

"Gamers have NEVER hated strong female characters, because they were almost always very well written and relatable. " This might be the most absurd comment I've read today. Yeah, NEVER hated, ALWAYS well written"

[@cmoore2541]

@@Edax_Royeauxexplain?

[@GRR1MN1R]

"If you don't like it, don't buy it" Gamers: "alright , BET!!!"

[@TheJamesBraun]

Let’s vote with our wallet! A 100% no buy for me!

[@scottcoull88]

If you think this game won't sell you may be a little too far down that delusional hole you're in 😂

[@Demial_Sparda]

Yup, it’s not even about the actress anymore, but about how game developers and producers treat gamers-like cattle on a farm. Or like stray dogs being thrown the bones from yesterday's dinner. Until I get atleast the basic respect, they won’t get a penny from me.

[@alieninvention1310]

​@@Demial_Spardaso you won't buy a game because someone who isn't involved with the game said so? Ok.... Don't buy any games ever again

[@falcod7374]

Don't worry lil bro ghost of yotei is gonna be one of the biggest sellers next year

[@Phillywood01]

GHOST OF TSUSHIMA WAS IN 1274 AND GHOST OF YOTEI IS IN 1603 THATS 329yrs LATER JIN SEKAI IS DEAD 😂

[@El_Gran_Jefe]

I saw that pattern so many times, that I need less and less information to recognize it again. I won't be fooled again, I see where this game is going.

[@thunderbird4088]

I'm still hoping for it to be a good game. I'm not gonna be hyped about it but I'm also not gonna start hating it just because the main character has tits

[@Unjerry_s]

Where is it going?

[@El_Gran_Jefe]

@@Unjerry_s Insufferable "strong independent" main character, boring, predictable, shallow story of revenge or betrayal (of a terrible male of course, every woman will be virtous or at least very well justified) , inclusion of gay people on every step ( they will be cool guys as well), today's world problems reflected in feudal Japan, critic of any authority and my favourite - virtue signaling. If you don't care about story, they'll probably fuck something up with gameplay too, activists always do, like stupid AI, optimization, dumb unfitting character design, unsatisfactory character progression. I hope I'm wrong, but that's the direction I think it's heading.

[@bestbrainbigman]

@@El_Gran_JefeYou sound insufferable

[@kidzor16]

@@El_Gran_Jefe damn bro, you might be right

[@thefunkymonk4528]

Hey dude, just wanna say you've risen to become my favorite channel on yt. Basically when a new video drops, I stop what I'm doing to watch. I don't know how else to say this but you bring so much reason to these conversations, while bringing a brutal honesty w/o falling into incivility like so many others. Also seeing around the industry you're being mentioned a lot, Gene Park from washington post for example has said he likes your content. keep it up

[@LegendaryDrops]

Haven't seen Gene mention me before, but thank you. I have no issue discussing difficult topics, and I try to give my honest opinion on things. As I've talked about on livestreams, it's much easier to be myself than to pretend to be someone I'm not. I'd have a mental breakdown, haha.

[@thefunkymonk4528]

@@LegendaryDrops Yeah Gene mentioned it on one of the podcasts from Last Stand Media, referenced your last ubisoft video. It's definitely gone around! In addition to the space marine 2 story a bit ago involving the ceo (thru an asmon react but still a big deal lol). End of the day, authenticity sells and your takes are clearly resonating with a lot us. But just wanted to say good shit dude, I'll try to catch a livestream at some point.

[@chadfromchad4662]

But this is not all. Just after Ghost of Yotei was announced, certain journalists started asking "Oh why is everyone defending this bland ass man", referencing Jin. Somehow Jin became a bad character overnight in favor of the new female protagonist. Most of us really wanted to see more of Jin and belive the ending for GoT was hinting that may be the case. Then again, people on social media started crapping all over claiming "Jin's story is over, you are just sexist" or some other horse shit.

[@MoonPhantom]

No the last game was clearly leading up to a continuation of Jin's story... It's not Witcher 3.... Witcher 3 CLEARLY ends Geralts story, not only does his own clan of Witchers dissolve, he gets to choose his final love interest and set Ciri up for her own adventures... he also gets to actually go on pension with his own vineyard in the DLC. Geralts story is pretty wrapped up and done with. So that Ciri is the next main character is so clearly sat up and worked toward in the previous game. ...... There was no build up, wrapping up or sat up here... It was so obviously some consultant saying. "But you can't have a male protagonist, it must be female. That lady can do stuff, make the game about her."

[@dj2257]

Watch Endymion's latest video on this and Assassin's Creed Shadows. The initial plan, based on his sources, was to continue Jin's story. Apparently they changed direction within the last year or so. Combine wanting to have more of Jin's story with how Sony has fumbled sequels of some of its best games with the "for modern audiences" approach (Last of Us 2, Horizon Forbidden West, Spiderman 2, God of War: Ragnorak) and it's no wonder people are concerned with Ghost of Yotei.

[@bopsie55]

I mean jins story ended. It has nowhere interesting to go next. No emotional hook. No easy way of starting the game without undermining the first. Everyone since the dawn of time have been apprehensive with protagonist changes. I remember when everyone hated the idea of playing as arthur in red dead. They then played him and ended up liking him more. Same with last of us 2. A lot of people hated the change but the change made sense and frankly after playing it most realised Joel wouldn't have worked as well. It's not worth commenting on until the game comes out. Are you sexist for not liking the change? No. But you are being stupid if you already adamant the change was the wrong one.

[@dj2257]

@@bopsie55 While I do agree many people have concerns with a change in protagonists, using The Last of Us 2 as an example of something that worked is a very poor example. Yes, some people liked the change, but MANY people--even those who less critical of current direction of gaming--did not like it. You can say you did and some others did but to act as if most people did is rewriting history. RDR2 may be a better example but considering I never played the first one and wasn't deep into gaming news then, I cannot give an accurate portrayal of the fans concerns with that game. As far as Jin goes, saying there's nowhere to go with his story is solely built on your opinion (which is fine) but has no basis on fact; from a storytelling perspective, I mean. There was PLENTY of things to touch on with his story. Japan was still inundated with the Mongols; he could have created his own band of ghosts to combat the invaders, and that's not even thinking about some of the situations he could find himself in with new characters. He's also an enemy of the Shogun. How would that affect his story? Being an enemy to those who you helped fight against invaders? If you personally did not want to see more of Jin, that's fair, but to say his story had nowhere to go is just incorrect.

[@OldyAlbert]

Wait till he's killed with the ancient Japanese golf club in the sequel

[@TheLegendaryLlama]

You don't know anything about the game though, if seeing a female triggers a defence response from you then that's your problem. Literally the way you currently have it, it sounds like they are simply not allowed to have a female protagonist. Them saying "if you don't like it, don't buy it," is perfectly valid, do you know how insane it would be if they threw out the character they've developed and swapped her with a male protagonist, because asides that I actually don't see what you want from them: an apology? I could say more, but I prefer not to spend my time making 16 minute videos when something slightly bothers me.

[@mexicanoaao]

Something interesting here, at the end of the video, he literally says that he believes being angry at Ghost of Yotei for having a female character and a left leaning VA, is not worth all of the saber rattling and this all essentially is a nothing burger generated by people’s hypersensitivity to anything hinting at forced diversity. He literally says we should wait to see the game, before making judgement calls about the quality and direction of it. This comment here somewhat tells me you didn’t watch the video in full before writing this comment.

[@TheLegendaryLlama]

@@mexicanoaao i did watch the full video, he literally mad multiple assumptions about the game, he had clearly developed opinions about it already, he even takes some time to justify the outrage. if you cannot see the view he is pushing, then i just don't know what to say. that stuff he says at the end is just to fall back on if there is any backlash. do you think the guy made a 16 minute video on something he didn't have any opinion about that he wanted to push? It doesn't matter if he tries to tell you he thinks its not worth all the rattle when he is contributing to it before your eyes.

[@nilpointfive]

Did Actman really just criticize people for making KZbin videos about what to be mad at? I guess Mr. Sunshine can’t hear his own bullshit through that vocal fry.

[@GreatRaijin]

You lack critical thinking skills 😂

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

​@@GreatRaijinI think you meant that towards act man.

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

It's just a shame andypantsgaming messed up that debate and went crazy over it. It would have been a great opportunity to call out act man for the shill that he truly is.

[@g3ar75]

​@@thathandsomedevil0828andypants fumbled hard and just revealed that he was a clown. My favorite part of the debate was when they actually talked about games

[@liamwilliams6651]

Actman has criticised DEI and woke elements in games before. Great example is the world war 2 call of duty titles. He's also right here that we need to be careful about what we call woke. In saying that, Andys video about games becoming gay now is spot on. He really just fell into the trap of looking like a crazy grifter in that debate.

[@FaizalKuntz]

Gamers had been hurt for so long, they can't hope a game companies to make good games anymore. Once there's a small change the game has a problem, gamers react how the previous games has been. It's hard to be not sceptical anymore, and not thinking for the worse.

[@MrEffectfilms]

We shouldn't let these people drag us down to their level. There's nothing with Ghost of Yotei that warrants being so skeptical yet, maybe that will change later on but right now there's no reason to be so upset. Fans got angry about Solid Snake being switched out for Raiden in Metal Gear Solid 2, now he's a fan favorite character but he didn't start out that way. Nero wasn't liked at first upon his introduction in Devil May Cry 4 but in DMC5 he's now a favorite too. Point is we can't assume anything just yet, I understand feeling burned by recent titles but we can't start preemptively judging for things like the gender of the main character. If we allow ourselves to sink that low then we're no better than the people who caused this problem because that's exactly what they do.

[@mrghost3938]

Preach

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@MrEffectfilms They hired someone who hates you. How do you not see that as something that isn't wrong? That's like making a game about basketball and the lead actor for the story mode hates basketball fans.

[@MrEffectfilms]

@@Billy-bc8pk WTF are you talking about?! She doesn't know who I am! Stop trying to tell me how I should feel about something. I don't give a rats ass about the personal beliefs and feelings of an actress, she's there to do a job and that's it. I don't know her and she doesn't know me and I won't use her political beliefs as an excuse to preemptively hate on something.

[@Shadowbanned_On_YouTube]

An insider has said the the ending Wokei is going to piss everyone off.

[@smugism1685]

When I heard that there was going to be a sequel to Jin's story but was later canceled, this tells me that the devil is in the details.

[@risottonero4501]

Maybe it got canceled because of the dlc maybe maybe idk Jin wasnt that great of a character anyway

[@cupatea5972]

I really don't get why it matters who you play as as long as the character is well developed and the story and gameplay is good

[@lebastion7104]

I didn't even play the first game in english😂 Edit: tbh I did see that the old team responsible for the first ghost are not working on yotei so...

[@bannedmann4469]

Was it not the same actors?

[@nubbyfresh5623]

​@@bannedmann4469 ghost of yote takes place roughly 300 years after ghost of tsushima... I highly doubt they're going to get the same voice actors😂

[@kirishimatheredriot8002]

Wait, are you talking about the voice actors or the development staff?

[@DeathGrandMaster]

@@kirishimatheredriot8002 the devs are different

[@giovanisabbagh5749]

I think he meant, are they not the same actors that did both the english and japanese voice acting for ghost of tsushima​@@nubbyfresh5623

[@sj4iy]

I completely agree, and I’m female. My issue with games right now is that they are replacing previous male roles with female characters. It’s stupid. Games like Perfect Dark or new IPs like South of Midnight…people were excited for those games. No one was upset. But replacing Jin or making Mary Jane stupidly OP is just aggravating…and I didn’t even like ghost of Tsushima. The same goes for Race swapping popular characters. The problem becomes that it’s now “woke” to make any game with a female or POC lead character, and gamers automatically think it’s bad. It doesn’t do women or POC any favors to force this into existing stories. It doesn’t create tolerance, it creates backlash and anger. The best way to do it is to write new stories and new IPs.

[@ganggang3788]

Perfect Dark and other games back then were a different time. Today, politics is applied to EVERYTHING. You can't make a damn ham sammich without someone wondering if the mustard is woke or not. It's stupid.

[@namelessking9068]

@@ganggang3788 just make a very masculine ham sandwich without women or lgbtq wukong and space marine 2 are great ham sandwiches wich sell well

[@MrDezokokotar]

Well, you might have missed the South of Midnight backlash... :D Not because it has a female protagonist but because Sweet Baby inc collaborated on it. We'll see when it comes out but i would be shocked if the writing doesnt stink of progressive politics. While a female protagonist doesnt make a game woke necessarily (Stellar Blade is not woke), it is a red flag because these days, when it comes to western games, a "diverse" protagonist or cast so often correlates with the game having annoying pandering and activism shoved in. And i disagree about the new IPs. Thats not a solution, not anymore. Sure taking over old IPs is worse, but by now people are so fed up that they are immediately skeptical even with new IPs when they see something that seems like forced diversity, even if it isnt. Honestly devs that do have a genuinely good idea for a "diverse" protagonist are kinda screwed right now, it will immediately put them on the back foot.

[@dreamcatcher6937]

​@@namelessking9068SM2 isn't according to the woke spreadsheet.

[@rodrigofreitas3288]

@@ganggang3788 It doesn't work that way, it's more like: "You can't appreciate ham sandwich without someone trying to push their opinion if the mustard should be put or not."

[@Snoddy2Hotty]

Cyberpunk 2077 is a great example of having “inclusive” stuff in a game that is authentically implemented is not a problem. You can modify yourself in that game but because it works within the world that CDPR made it isn’t a problem. People don’t like forced agenda, that’s it…

[@tempoaccla4041]

cyberpunk was made right when cd projekt red was starting to go woke you can bet your ass the sequel is going to be absolutely insufferable

[@user-dr2sr9ft4x]

@@tempoaccla4041 You sound insufferable, if a game isn't nothing but straight white men you think it's instantly woke lmao.

[@wolfrayet0042]

Depends on who you ask. According to some Cyberpunk is woke, Space Marine 2 is woke, Skyrim is woke & Helldivers is woke. Anything with a person of color, non straight or a female is now woke according to some. It's hard to take it seriously when it's so loosely applied to everything

[@brokenhanz-o4m]

Cyberpunk never felt authentic like the Matrix or Mr Robot. It tried to copy that vibe, but couldn’t because it tried too hard doing what Star Wars Outlaws did in portraying an “outlaw” or “punk” as a good guy. AC Valhalla did the same thing and the Vikings are historically known for plunder and evil deeds. Heck, I would get shadow banned into oblivion for mentioning historically accurate Viking lore on YT. TBF most of these companies creating these blockbuster matrix style products as video games and movies are the very antithesis to those products of video games and movies. To be frank, they are the living embodiment of the bad guys that Johnny Silverhand hates. RDR2 was successful compared to Cyberpunk because it actually allowed you to be a bad guy in the game. That and it didn’t take 3 years to become playable after release. In short, inclusivity hindered the story of Cyberpunk because the story didn’t feel raw and edgy like how the actual punk genre began. Punk had its roots in going against the mainstream. Inclusivity is the living embodiment of mainstream as even the US government pays more attention to “inclusivity” rather than real life problems like rising crime, unemployment, rent, etc. The car racing missions in Cyberpunk were dumb when you realized the woman who was getting you to race was an actual 300 lb man. I didn’t need to know that kind of information playing the game, and it took me out of the immersion as I was reminded of today’s dystopian politics because of it. Judy’s missions were also boring as hell. Finding out that she was a lesbian didn’t really bother me. TBH it felt like a “cool story bro” moment that didn’t make the character seem relatable. Isn’t relatability what most consumers care about? Isn’t that what sells tickets for football games? I swear, these DEI developers create inclusive content like they are foreigners needing Hollywood movies made in their own language. Unfortunately for them, most people interacting with their content have great love and respect for the opposite sex. Unfortunately for them, most people have a beauty standard hard wired into their dna. Straight white male content has been perfected since Hollywood got its origins from the Oregon Trail. Someday, people will laugh at Cyberpunk’s portrayal of the future. It will age just as badly as those Jetson cartoons. Our modern time period will be looked back on as the Dark Ages due to corporate political activism. People will talk in disgust about this type of political activism as if it were out of style like those horn rimmed glasses and bell bottoms people wore in the 70’s. Anyone remember when the hipster was thought of as a cool personality type? That’s sooo mid 2000’s. Nobody gives a shit about the hipster anymore. AI replaced the hipster because it’s a hive mind of all our thoughts, feelings, dreams, ideas, and predictions. Nowadays, I prefer the hipster over the activist. At least the hipster was trying to get you interested in new things compared to virtue signaling and ruining already existing franchises.

[@tempoaccla4041]

@@wolfrayet0042 woke is not a yes or no thing it's a spectrum cyberpunk 2077 IS woke, Arcane is woke, Undertale is woke but these three have just a bit of wokeness and it's more or less tasteful + the product itself is good you can have racially and sexually diverse characters, just don't make it their personality and focus on making them characters first, diverse second also if the setting is medieval, then you need to justify having black or female characters in positions that don't make sense normal, and they have to be an exception, not the norm

[@jgunner280]

I'm really not aboard the hate-train for this one yet. There's just too much I still don't know, and too much good potential. Its still a newer IP, so a character swap so many bemoan really doesn't strike a cord with me. There was no standard or reason to reinvent a new historical problem and spot for the same guy, it could have always moved on, just like there's no reason to expect a 3rd game will have this new character. A female didn't change that, for all I know she was probably more Shinobi and didn't have to ever adhere to a 'normal' convention to assassinate big figures, and they want a new angle for a new character once the setting and framing is locked in for a different time. It ain't like LOU2/MGS2 either where we got baited and switched with the lead, its pretty clear, and taking full advantage of a significant time leap. This is at the beginning of the Edo period, and an outsider going into hiding after a time of great war. There's so much writing potential for plots of vengeance, regrets, and old spy on bounty hunter logic. I want to see what's being done, and as I put together the potential in my head, I actually got real excited for the change. My ONLY red flag after all of this, is the actress herself - and I'm gonna say it, I'm still not for Cancel Culture BS. I'm going to see what the game does for me as a game, not what some actress does on twitter.

[@khalidstetkevych9838]

Ghost of Tsushima did just about everything great, including writing strong female characters. There is no evidence that Ghost of Yotei is pandering to DEI. As long as her badassery is commensurate to Jin's, it'll be great.

[@grottphd9090]

No it won't because it's a female lead and Jin was male. Most of the player base is male. Most males would rather play as a male. So either game devs don't know this, in which case they're out of touch with players or they do and made the decision out of spite. Either way, this game won't be doing the same numbers.

[@chippewaguy4193]

@@grottphd9090 the horizon series has sold over 30 million copies and it’s a female led game………

[@grottphd9090]

@@chippewaguy4193 Most games don't have the luxury of being bundled with the PS5

[@chippewaguy4193]

@@grottphd9090 zero dawn was a ps4 game and sold over 20 million.

[@grottphd9090]

@@chippewaguy4193 It sold like 13% of the physical copies of even primal. It's the first Far Cry game since 2 to have "mixed" reviews on steam. Pointing to New Dawn as a success is crazy

[@Funkloned]

Personally I was a little bit disappointed because Jin Sakai's Story wasnt over. You finish the game and have the feeling that Jin and other characters have loose ends, more adventures ahead. So, when the sequel not only changed the main character but also the time period, I was taken aback. Does that mean the game will be bad or woke? not really, but it makes you wonder why they made that decision.

[@Mejandora]

Well the reason could be what all are claiming or the team wasnt comfortable with the idea to continue the story. At the end of GoT he was a hunted man and thats a difficult position to write something with a huge climax like it was in GoT with the liberation of the island. The only place he could have went is the main land and thats under the control of the shogun. Thats an enemy he could not defeat nor reason with. Not much tension besides staying hidden from the samurai. So maybe they thought that its better to start a new story, at another time, in another part of japan and make it a good story than to continue an existing story, so the fans can be happy, but without the conviction to be able to make it good.

[@gorowlystomak3339]

@@Mejandora What you just describes sounds like the samurai equivalent of Red Dead Redemption 2 and it sounds awesome. Not all 'good stories' have to end in victory. Ghost of Tsushima may not have been the most historically accurate, but it was straight-faced and uncompromising in it's vision of representating a scenario that could've occurred in that period. Ghost of Yotei meanwhile just looks like another Sony comic book game. It's premise, whilst not impossible, is inherently hard to swallow and that stuff is going to deter people from playing, whether consciously or subconsciously.

[@gorowlystomak3339]

@TP-pq9xx Never said it realistic. You read what you wanted to read.

[@gorowlystomak3339]

@TP-pq9xx My comment was edited to correct a typo like 5 seconds after I posted it bro. lmao.

[@jasonramsey1493]

I’ll at least wait and see if it’s good I’ll buy, if it flops I saved my money and time

[@SuperBennnnnnnnn]

why give money to a company that hates you?

[@jasonramsey1493]

@@SuperBennnnnnnnn relax buddy if this follows the trends that all these companies do this game will be bad I’m telling you so let’s just wait and see.

[@aytony4090]

​@SuperBennnnnnnnn Sony hates me, but Sucker Punch doesn't. So far SP has the best track record of any of Sony's studios.

[@SuperBennnnnnnnn]

Writing is on the walls guys. You do what you want.

[@nerofl89]

@@aytony4090 Sucker Punch is a subsidiary of Sony, which means it is no different than giving Sony your money.

[@KevinDanker-b8r]

I got to say that i do trust SuckerPunch with female characters, Look at Yuna, Masako and Tomoe for example, they are badass female characters and if they can also bring that to live with a character like Atsu it could be a really great game, i also would have loved a new story about Jin Sakai and maybe in the future we wil see that but for now whe just have to wait and when the trailers and game arrive whe can judge if we like it or not.

[@mrzest6356]

Highly agreed with the explanation. It's easy to state what we hate abt today's games, but not pointing out the actual festering wounds of a problem with the games industry these past few yrs like ever since the pandemic

[@rensten4893]

It was issues before that. The problem was distracted problems got magnified and larger.

[@goblin6282]

Sometimes when I see these game journalists and what they're saying, I think, damn, maybe we should just stop game journalism all together.

[@akiraangelfire2127]

Most of us think wonder what their tune is when getting their teeth kicked in and more and more that kind of thought becomes the stronger one till it happens and honestly I have zero sympathy should have been knocked out sooner. Journos don’t think they fabricate racism and it takes a real pile of crap to somehow make racism out of nothing but they sure do that well.

[@karlsonkopfspalter3127]

A.I. will do that

[@perseus3115]

this is why ive held the belief for years now that all journalism is evil, its inherent.

[@cokechang]

It’s still a wonder to me that such a profession continue to exist in the age of internet and social media. All these independent KZbinrs does a way better job reporting and reviewing games than the so call professional journalists

[@chesster423]

whats a female protagonist? it's called type-2 nowadays.

[@maxmagnus3793]

I'm not upset that we are moving on from Jin Sakai. But I am very skeptical about having a woman be the protagonist in a historically faithful swordfighting game. It just seems like she would have a fatal disadvantage going into fights with elite male swordfighters, with their greater upper body strength. Yes, I have seen Blue Eyed Samurai and yes, it bothered me there as well. Then there's using a two-sword style, which I am also skeptical about. Yes, I know there are cases of it being used historically, but they were very rare. I'm left with a feeling that the game will have a lot of explaining to do straight out of the gate. Why is Atsu on a (presumably) revenge fueled murder spree in Hokkaido? How is she able to fight, why does she use two swords, and how is she able to match stronger male swordfighters in duels? With Jin Sakai, so much of it was natural. He was essentially a samurai stereotype at the beginning, which made it very easy to understand and buy into his character. You never want to spend the start of your story explaining too much, and with this game, I think that is going to be a problem. Either having too much to explain, or having unanswered questions hanging over the story.

[@qwqwqwqw99]

It's scorched earth until these companies learn their lesson.

[@104thSpecialGrade]

😂😂😂 their wallets are still getting bigger and bigger. Some people play games for a distraction. Not political statements. 😂😂

[@kodo2795]

@@104thSpecialGrade Ubisoft shareholders will be so relieved to hear that they can ignore the share price, because 104thSpecialGrade from the KZbin comments section reckons their wallets are just getting bigger and bigger 🤡

[@mackybell14]

​@@104thSpecialGrade Ubisoft lost 9 billion dollars. Even if they have infinite money, the infinite greed of their shareholders have will still put people's heads on the chopping block.

[@taia-b8f]

Scorched earth? My guy we talking about video games. Get a grip.

[@qwqwqwqw99]

@@taia-b8f I'll get a grip when the infestation is over.

[@AspireBR]

About The Act Man's point: one thing he didn't mention is that the boy who cried racism/sexism WON.

[@QuangTran-zy6sg]

I think that ppl gonna push this over the edge at some point. The woke trend makes so many people mad, destroys many things in the gamers community and the industry too. As now, anything that is marked as dei or woke would be jugded so hard even when the game itself is not bad.

[@AvaaSlays_Swiftie]

@@QuangTran-zy6sgfans of media have just been burned so many times. This game could turn out to be amazing. Just with every group comes the vocal minority that’ll be hating this instantly because of the female character. What can you say when these companies show time and time again they can’t write a good female character like they used to. It can be done though. Also an activist as the voice actor doesn’t help.

[@rungunninja1289]

@@AvaaSlays_Swiftie the voice actress is a great red flag more then the female protagonist. Especially when Sony has been known to encourage activists taking over sequels. If the development team wants to prove people wrong they should either do a story trailer or early gameplay. Anything to try and prove the doubt wrong, but personally the voice actress has justified all the more reason to not get hype for this game.

[@MichaMundy]

We are already at that stage recently, any games that have a slightest sign of "woke" is getting boycott and backlash. But you know who created that? That's right the community/organisation that push the woke stuff. The pendulum is swigging back again and I'm afraid it's not just gonna only be the woke crowd who is gonna pay the price.

[@Old_Machine_Spirit]

A counterpoint to your counterpoint that has been brought up but needs repeating: They won (and rightfully so), but now pattern recognition has overridden nuance and patience to such a degree that lots will scream woke before more information comes out just at looking at one teaser image or super short vertical slice of a preview (and we all know the truly woke ones tend to drone on to hammer a point rather than tease). That's what Act Man was talking about.

[@SammichNetwork]

Excluding in the name of inclusion, making things the same in the name of diversity and rewriting history in the name of reflecting reality. Madness

[@hillehai]

Madness is exactly what it is. And it's spreading.

[@excalibro8365]

Unironically 1984.

[@brokenhanz-o4m]

Unironically 1939

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Unironically Ghost of Tsushima. That shit never happened.

[@slckb0y65]

its the oyest of times, it's the veyest of times... but don't worry, soon enough it'll be one hundred and ten.

[@TheIndulgers]

I don't care about the VA, but Sony has not had a good track record this year and seemingly on a mission to destroy their brand: Burns $100+ million on a generic bland hero shooter, removes disc drives and stands from $700 product, inserts psn where it shouldn’t, psn hacks and shutdowns, inserts ads on their console homepage, cancel games of beloved IPs, closing studios, abandoning the psvr2, raises prices of hardware and controllers, leaks content of anticipated games (final shape), raises price of subscription just for the privilege to play multiplayer, removes games from multiple regions, remasters unnecessary games, raises prices of said remaster game, ignores and holds Bloodborne hostage etc. Yeah, I'm not touching anything related to Sony. Pass.

[@aguywithlaptopand3dprinter]

The Last of Us, Joker, and now this. I'm almost convinced that money is not a problem for them.

[@Marbeary]

This will depend on how Sony, Sucker Punch and the Cast if they go to the Concord and Ubisoft route (hating the gamers) the goodwill of the last game will be forgotten. But if handled properly and the game is as good as the last game then people will buy it. But we can't blame the complaints of other people because all are tired of it.

[@Bignuke87]

I am curious if that Ghost of Tsushima/Yotei dev team side by side photo thats been passed around is actually legitimate or simply propaganda.

[@LaZd-]

It's legitimate. Most of the old devs from GoT are gone from Sucker Punch. If you do a little digging it's not hard to find out.

[@gnarlyboyjai]

@@LaZd-then when you do a little more digging you found out the game director hasn’t changed and if you understand game development you’ll know that’s also pretty important but no one is talking about that at all

[@14ElmStreet28]

@@gnarlyboyjai These people act like they've suddenly become experts on the gaming industry

[@Dekamerx]

I read it was a picture they took for woman's day.

[@Ghost_pro6384]

From what I found that photo was from 2018 so not legitimate

[@elivean]

Actually when I saw that the protagonist would be a woman, none of these "problems" mentioned came to mind. At all. Having the opposite gender as a protagonist is not woke, is just another person for a different story. Now if she started saying "hi, my pronouns are she/they" or looked something between a female and a male... then I would think devs were stoned when making this game. All the rest of critics about accuracy, real bushido code etc... people tend to forget videogames are not history classes; they are fiction and artists are allowed to do what they want.

[@NF12222]

Robert DeNiro is an absolute lunatic in real life, but I still watch Goodfellas once a year. The voice actress and direction Sony has been going are massive red flags, but given how much I loved GoT, I'm going to give it a chance. Plus, I play in Japanese anyways, so don't care about her lol

[@AzurePursuer]

You overlook the fact thst it isn't a single member of Tsushima making Yotei

[@Mulchavelli]

How is Deniro a lunatic in real life?

[@player1enjoyer]

I see youre going for "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" route. Ok. lol

[@player1enjoyer]

​@@Mulchavelli TDS

[@Pårchmēntôs]

@@AzurePursuer you are full of crap. It’s the same development team.

[@amharbinger]

I honestly just want it to be good. Sucker Punch has a good track record with Sly Cooper, inFamous, and now Ghost of Tsushima. In a lot of ways, they should be the face of PlayStation since they've developed incredible games for Sony since the PS2.

[@treyfolkmen7942]

Did you see photo of dev teams for Tsushima and Yutei?

[@TheKanjiX]

This has been my root reasoning. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt. I’m not worrying at all, and will let the game speak for itself. 👍

[@Ghost_pro6384]

​@@treyfolkmen7942 If you're talking about that dev team picture that's currently floating around then must inform you that this picture was taken on International Womens Day in like 2018. As of right now the only information that we have about GoY's developers is that it has the same directors and producers as Ghost of Tsushima.

[@MightyMarven]

What’s Act Man’s point? This backlash has been building for years. It’s not always going to be measured, and some people will take it too far into parody, as some always do. Those individuals only represent themselves. Highlighting that a few people called air conditioning racist doesn’t reflect the majority, and that level of absurdity hasn’t really changed anything. Calling someone racist today has about the same impact it did four years ago.

[@thorinhayward1124]

Act Man’s observation was pretty pointless. He’s judging people who share an opinion just because some take it too far, as if that invalidates everyone else. Apparently, BlackRock isn’t offering considerable financial incentives to studios for embracing forced diversity, DEI, and non-binary representation in entertainment-despite their own statements on the matter. It was all just our imagination.

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

I would have told him that the issue is not the word "woke", it's that no one is calling it for what it truly is "cultural marxism". Which is very real and is destroying the USA, never mind the planet.

[@stanislavkimov2779]

He's arguing in bad faith. He is a coward and sold out long ago. Now he's just broken.

[@marchmelloow]

And as if being skeptical is some insane state to be in. As if talking bad about a future video game is some grave crime.

[@khalduras784]

@@marchmelloow if your skepticism is already triggered just by seeing a female character first, of course your standing end up becoming laughable.

[@TheKevin899]

Nah this is just ridiculous. Certain games definitely do have a political agenda. But now we’re at a point where every game with a female protagonist is just labeled as woke. And all this drama for a TEASER. You cannot make ANY deductions for a teaser trailer that contains nothing but B-Roll shots. It’s just sad that these so called “non-activist get politics out of my games” people became the thing they hate.

[@roxxon6138]

It's so crazy to me. There is zero political agenda about Ghost of Yotei, it's just gonna be a cool samurai game building on the world established in Ghost of Tsushima. People who cry about the female protagonist should also absolutely hate the first game. After all, it also had several strong female characters with Yuna, Masako and Tomoe - the kryptonite of these people.

[@FilterChain]

@@roxxon6138 lol no ways its totally woke , no reason to have a female samurai when there were none - breaks the immersion

[@FilterChain]

not true there were no female samurai , breaks immersion , feels inauthentic to shoehorn female protagonist. if you want female character play into it , make them afraid of men , have low stats , need to run away , can call other men for help -- the real agenda is that they want to get more women to play so they just shoehorn them in , not noticing that women want to play what women want , its like the vegan restaurant around the area that only serves vegan food guess what it closed down

[@WikiXIV]

@@FilterChain did you even play Ghost of Tsushima? Did you not see Yuna or even Lady Masako? Get out of here with that lol She's a female GHOST, not a true "samurai". The devs mentioned they are carrying on the concept of a "Ghost of X". Jin Sakai just had a Samurai background, but that isn't a requirement for being a "Ghost".

[@theblackknight101]

The whole speculation is not just due to the trailer, but from what surrounds this reveal.. the voice actor is a raging political activist.

[@GotCamel]

12:34 I love Antman’s hypocrisy. So you can be upset at me calling games with an agenda “woke” but it’s ok for you to call me rac!st or misogynist because I don’t want to play a game that is preaching to me? GTFOH with that mess.

[@meaux4054]

12:21 he addressed that too. Both sides overuse and misuse terms. Both sides make everything about politics instead of critiquing the actual game. If you see a non white male character “it’s too woke” and if you have a white male character “it’s racist or sexist”

[@ni9274]

Literally nobody call you people racist or misogynist for not playing a game, we call you that when your only reason to hate a game is the fact that the protagonist is a women.

[@ni9274]

@@meaux4054Could you provide me a single example of the « woke » side attacking a game cause it has white male protagonist ? Did FF16 get massively attacked by thousands of « woke » people cause they had a white protagonist ? No, only two random journalists made one article that everybody dismissed. Only your side are making things political and trying to cancel games cause a protagonist isn’t white or male

[@meaux4054]

@@ni9274 yes I can give a recent example. Black Myth: Wukong (a game that came out less than 2 months ago) got a negative review by a journalist because “it wasn’t diverse enough” and didn’t have enough woman representation. It got review bombed before it was even released. It the same thing they’re doing with AC:Shadows. That has nothing to do with the writing or gameplay mechanics. And my side? What side is "my side”? I separate my political opinions from the games that I play. You and the original comment prove my initial point.

[@forasago]

@@ni9274 I prefer games with male protagonists and if you're making something else I'm just not gonna buy it. And I will never feel guilty for this. There is nothing wrong with it. Get over your brainwashing.

[@Gandwarf213]

I’ve not seen anyone talking about this, but even with the most recent Ratchet and Clank (Rift Apart) they set it up to move away from Ratchet to the new female protagonist Rivet. And from Clank to the female (?) Kit. I think people aren’t up in arms about this because this game is more for kids than most of Sony’s roster, but as a longtime fan of the R&C series, this was a big turnoff for me. It’s clear now that this was just part of the program. Out with the old, in with the New. “Male and Pale is stale”

[@RaiginAnimator]

What I played that game tho rivet and Ratchet end the game looking for the lombaxes together? Pivoting how Rivet was a gender bent ratchet and clank because they were in an alternate reality where characters were different.

[@mightquinnable]

Oh yeah, I haven’t played it cause I heard one of the writers is an annoying human of a woman. I been avoiding it

[@Gandwarf213]

@@mightquinnable I didn't realize that but that would explain a lot. There are some pretty insufferable characters and lines in the game.

[@MrDezokokotar]

Diversity/inclusion is not at all inherently a good thing, its completely contextual. For example, racial or gender diversity in a medieval japanese setting that focuses on samurai warfare is bad. Most of the people should be japanese (or in the case of Tsushima, japanese and mongol), and most of the characters (if theyre mostly soldiers) should be men. Diversity would make it worse. On the other hand, in a setting taking place in modern San Francisco, diversity is good and necessary, otherwise it would look silly and not believable.

[@taco1957]

why does a video game, an inherently fictional medium, need to be believable? the protagonist can mow down thousands of people or survive otherwise lethal falls, but a women out of time is where you draw the line?

[@MrDezokokotar]

​@@taco1957 Im not sure what you mean by that. Can you explain what you mean by a video game being an "inherently fictional medium"? A medium (video game, movie, book, oil painting) is neither fictional nor non-fictional, these terms dont apply to the concept.

[@taco1957]

@@MrDezokokotar @MrDezokokotar you're being intentionally naive. obviously you recognize that video games (a medium) are by majority - works of fiction. a video game can try to be as non-fictional as it wants, but liberties must be made in almost all cases to make the actual act of playing it fun. there's nothing "historically accurate" about Jhin being able to change outfits on the fly, for example. My question to you, is: why you draw a line between things like this only when it involves diversity?

[@MrDezokokotar]

​@@taco1957 Ok then, let me explain. It's not about diversity per se. It's about believable human behaviour. There are degrees to realism, and different weight should be put on different elements. Even if some concepts simply can't be translated from real life (like the way you physically fight), that doesn't mean some aspects that can be, shouldn't be. Things like changing outfits on the fly aren't very immersion breaking because they be explained as a "movie cut". I assume his new outfit didn't magically appear on his body but that he changed, i just didn't see it. I don't see him eating or going to the toilet either but i assume he does that when im "not looking". This has some immersion breaking effect, they could choose to show it, but it's very minimal. It's a good tradeoff of believablity for convenience. But IF his outfits did in fact magically appear out of thin air, by actual magic - that WOULD be ridiculous and i would question the logic of that in a otherwise fairly realistic game. Similarly, being able to heal wounds quickly is simply for the benefit of the gameplay, to make it more fun and/or easy to play, nothing more. (you can always add higher difficulties in a game) But we don't actually assume he is a nigh immortal superhuman - its just luck, skill, or "movie(game) magic". However, the most important aspect to keep as believable as possible, in any medium, is human behaviour. Also the way humans look, sound, etc., but especially how they behave. We are very familiar with humans, and they act as a grounding element so that we can suspend our disbelief of the more fantastical elements. When they are believable, it makes us better able to imagine what it would be like if this fantastic world was real - or imagine ourselves in it. Making humans act oddly and unrealistically doesn't bring any benefit to the gameplay, and we can't write it off as "movie magic" - it simply feels wrong. It's a BAD tradeoff to sacrifice realistic human behaviour for some other aspect - like story convenience, or ideology. If humans don't act believably, people usually call that bad writing. And that's what i don't want in games. Even in more fantasy games like Baldur's Gate 3, humans should behave like humans. And they don't. In that game, half of any army for example are women, and human women don't behave like that. So i end up wondering why? Do these humans have different brains to real humans? Different bodies? Women don't bear children in this world? Everything else about them seems to be the same - they look normal, sound normal. But they act oddly, like some human-like but alien race. Star Trek (the old, good ones) is very sci-fi, but humans still act like we would expect humans to act. In a setting where there are aliens that act weirdly, the humans are the ground and the point of comparison. So in some sense, you could argue that in fantasy or sci-fi with other intelligent species, it may be be even more important for humans to act believably. But certainly a game like Ghost of Tsushima, with fairly realistic world-building and setting, humans should behave believably. To me and i think most people, that's important, otherwise the world feels fake. Like the author is trying to shield me from the harsh reality of... well, reality. Like a cartoon that's made for a child. That or it's simply ideological. It's most likely a bit of both. To be clear, in Ghost of Tsushima it's still somewhat reasonable, there are much bigger offenders. It's just a bit of a stain on a otherwise good game. And i suspect the next game will have it much worse, but we can only wait and see.

[@dknollRX7]

I noticed in the recent Assassin’s Creed games that they always try to squeeze in homosexual relationships. It was also blatantly apparent in the Horizon games- because what better way to build back society and repopulate the world on a dystopian society, than to have 80% of the relationships be gay. Another game I played (I can’t recall its name but you have a magical gauntlet and soar across desert sands) would constantly refer to the character with they/them pronouns. I’ve played plenty of games with female lead characters, and never had any issues with them. I’ve played games with diversity without it being forced. Hell, one of my favorite games is the original FFVII: playing as a male lead, various female companions, a black male companion, a canine companion, etc. None of those things mattered because you cared about the characters, not their identity politics- which is something that can’t be said about some examples from modern gaming.

[@eddiedead2702]

These companies need to decide if representation actually matters. If no, then they need to cut the bullcrap. If yes, then these companies need to stop being surprised and butthurt when characters that are not representative of the actual audience get rejected.

[@ShodakonFury]

It’s like you said. When presented with failure after failure, eventually we develop a sense for the signs that lead to said failures. We were conditioned over time to see the telltale ingredients of DEI and, even though one or two aren’t inherently bad when done well, we still initially recoil and brace for the worst because of what has happened before, which is justified. But we shouldn’t judge until we have sufficient information. However, even though we don’t know about Yotei too much, the game has a different team of devs with a different creative vision while the original talents behind Tsushima left. And usually when the original creators leave something, that tends to be a bad sign.

[@brokenhanz-o4m]

Game will be like BFV compared to BF1. Crazy to think that it’s been almost a decade since BF1. I wish people would get tired of this demoralization and start a full scale witch hunt against the perpetrators.

[@dlc_2678]

I saw the pic on Twitter/X where it showed all men on the left who worked on GoT, vs all women on the right who developed GoY. The contrast is quite apparent between the 2. And some of the women had brightly dyed hair, so we know that those at the very least are left leaning. All the devs that worked on GoT are gone. Sucker Punch has been taken over by women and they/thems just like Ubisoft. I have no hope nor high expectations for this game at all

[@pixelforg]

Basically you guys have become zombies that are walking woke-dei detectors. But I am damn sure about one thing, this game will still be a hit, it's not gonna go the way concord/dustborn went, anti woke mfs aren't all that powerful they think they are woke and anti woke mfs both seem like deranged people to us sane people in the middle tbh

[@Ghost_pro6384]

​​@@dlc_2678 You know the picture with all the women was taken on International womens day in 2018 right? You also know that Ghost of Yotei has the same directors and producers as GoT and that other than that we have no information about the developers of the game right?

[@Lloyd_Frontera_XD]

Male to female MC but never the other way. Just saying.

[@WardenWyrd]

🎯

[@ganggang3788]

Right because male roles in videogames were always pretty rare

[@liamwilliams6651]

​@@ganggang3788They're getting increasingly rare. Video games are consumed by mostly dudes. Of course male protagonists were the norm. Despite what surveys try to convey by including mobile games and women who occasionally play the sims, this fact hasn't changed.

[@MrDezokokotar]

@@ganggang3788 They werent, but now they are. At least in western AAA games. When do you imagine we are going to see the reverse? When is Sony doing a Last of Us or Horizon sequel with a dude?

[@holographicfrog1503]

@@MrDezokokotar Only can think of 3 male protags this year.

[@marzek89]

But why? Why hire a VA with some potentially controversial opinions when there are so many out there who could play the role and not incite a revolt? You have a path of gold in front of you but choose to shit on it because you do not want to be as safe as the 1st game? Rattle the cage a bit? I have a bad feeling about this.

[@slckb0y65]

gotta secure those unbeatably low interest loans from black rock larry

[@maskedspartan7397]

As long as the games solid. You can play it with Japanese voicing. Which is how you should play it anyway i reckon

[@Lordran_Penance]

Holy shit I forgot about that. I play the game Japanese so what the fuck am I tripping for.

[@irishijo1]

Japanese voicing doesnt matter if the Subtitles are unfaithfully translated, an issue in Japan among anime studios

[@Lordran_Penance]

@@irishijo1 I don't remember really having a problem with it in ghost of Tsushima. For the most part I always understood what was going on, and was able to keep up with the storyline. And this is someone who doesn't speak or understand Japanese

[@mattmark94]

@Lordran_Penance you need to understand that this is not the same Sucker Punch that made GoT.

[@cc0767]

​@@irishijo1I hope the subtitles bring up the fight against THE PATRIARCHY

[@ZinhoMegaman]

The fact that SBI and Sony are partners only makes things more difficult to take apart.

[@ookammi]

im kinda in the wait and see spot, i think suckerpunch gets that much from tsushima, but im certainly concerned and i think its a big red flag these days with any sort of girl boss

[@mohammadalkhani6714]

Ragebait lmao. Anyone who’s actually a fan of ghost of Tsushima is excited for this game nd doesnt care if we’re playing a different character this game cause jin sakais story was pretty much complete in the first game nd has no need for a sequel. Playing a different time period is a big plus for gameplay as well and makes everything fresh. Yall are just pretending tht u care abt jin sakai when rlly yall are just obsessed w wokeness nd cant enjoy anything. Yall dgaf tht its not jin sakai or tht its a different time period yall just for some reason think playing a woman is woke🤡

[@Psykout]

It's insanely tiring to keep having devs and media gaslight gamers as if we aren't smart enough to see how so many of these decisions are just straight pandering. The Dragon Age drama is a perfect example, there was no need to have a certain type of scars exist outside of the rest of the scars and that submenu. Putting as a separate top menu toggle was done deliberately to put it every ones face and to pander inclusivity. There would have been some backlash regardless, but it escalated so much more due to it's implementation.

[@NeoN-PeoN]

I think doing more with Days Gone would be a good thing. I actually liked that game.

[@BusesAreFatCars]

The game wasn't woke enough so Sony refused to promote it. It then didn't hit it's sales targets and Sony refused to green light a sequel. If they do now make a sequel it will undoubtedly have a girl boss protagonist and miss the point of the original. They also won't bring back the people who made the first game. They've moved on. Be careful what you wish for.

[@mattmark94]

I would rather never see a sequel of DG than give Deacon St John the "sony treatment": getting replaced by a butch lesbian in the sequel.

[@IBelieveInTheGYAT]

There is no situation, when the time comes buy it or don't.

[@mywifesboyfriend5558]

It's a big damn situation. Face facts. No replies will be seen

[@samueldawkins]

there is no war in ba sing se.

[@kopiseduh9767]

"if you don't like it, don't buy it" Actually , this is a normal thing to say. This is how I decide where my money will be spent (if I have any) The problem is, the sentence itself has become something of a pattern recognition. Usually, when gamers *did* not buy it, because gamers *did* not like it, they called gamers all sorts of names They blame their failure on gamers, who just followed their suggestions.

[@mattmfjaynes]

I feel like the ending of GoT left players thinking they would get a direct sequel to that game. Now that GoT 2 is going in a different direction, I think it left a lot of players feeling like they got the short end of the stick. This combined with a female lead and the amount of DEI in gaming now has got everyone’s guard up

[@BackyardBlacksmithing]

How? Jin’s story is finished.

[@thepopeofkeke]

Don’t accuse gamers of over reacting when we are just responding with the same energy as our detractors It’s also normal to want to protect or advocate for something you care about. All my channel has been since it dropped on of is my ghost game play

[@GulagMoosefeller]

If the game isn't for you, don't buy it. Put the wallet down. Take a deep breath in and slowly let it out. Relax. There are other new games that might be for you. Dig a little. Don't just buy what is pushed in your face. Stop buying garbage.

[@johndoe-sh6bi]

Then you will call men sexist when the game doesn’t do well.

[@adriangrimm3826]

Sony is to female protagonists in gaming what James Cameron was to female protags in film. I’ve yet to play a Sony-published game with a female protagonist; from Uncharted TLL to inFamous First Light, and not been impressed with how well written those women are. Sure, we don’t know anything about the woman in Yotei yet, but, for whatever reason, Sony seems to have a good track record when putting women front and center. Looking at the games industry as a whole and proclaiming that it’s their fault that gamers raise the red flag when they see females in leads is unfair to studios who have good track records with their female leads. They don’t seem to be putting in “girl boss” protagonists for the sake of scoring points.

[@PureColumbianCocainum1949]

I'm not against actually badass female characters but if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it's probably a duck. A good example of a good female character is Lara Croft from the tomb raider games, she doesn't have superhuman strength because she's a "strong independent woman" she is physically weaker than all the men in that game but she's a skilled fighter and uses weapons. She can't throw a haymaker in a dudes in his face and put him in a coma for the rest of his life like that self insert in Star Wars Outlaws. Also Lara Croft is hot. It's important that you show the weaknesses and the disadvantages women have in battle if you are going to make female characters in games like these. I guess we'll see if it is a duck when it comes out.

[@THEONETRUEOVERLORD]

Kill bill is awesome so I don’t care.

[@JinzoTK]

While I trust Suckerpunch, that isnt enough anymore these days. Joker 2 is most recent example of not trusting creators and their sequels. Soemtimes they just hate you. Sometimes the first outing is meant to appeal, then the rest is a bait and switch (Spiderman 2 felt like a replacement of Peter Parker with Miles for example and for me that's a no thank you). I will wait and see what direction Ghost of Yotei goes but I am more than likely to skip it based on the industry as it currently is. Whats that saying about a dog getting hit to many times?

[@recklessnotion1899]

7:20 this sums it up in a nutshell. Studios know its true, its like their mad for figuring out their play. Unfortunately it's not gonna stop, you cant stop a world agenda. This is beyond having fun, entertainment are now tools to indoctrinize the masses to how theyre shaping the new world

[@HardyPilgrim]

Excellent, level-headed analysis of the situation and noise surrounding this game. Personally, I like the anthology approach to what will now be the Ghost series of games. I’ll wait to see what reviewers like ACG have to say about it before buying, but if the character is well conceived, the story is compelling, and the gameplay is just as good as GoT, I’ll check it out.

[@notneb82]

5:30 You may not pay much attention to the VA for the main character on this game - kinda like what I thought since I'd have the Japanese voices anyhow, but let's remember that this activist nutter is also the very face of the character you're playing.

[@nooneproductions1556]

Seams like it won’t effect my game play.

[@randomstuff4762]

Stellar blade was a massive hit and the cast was only asian women. We don't hate anyone, we hate being used

[@themanicfiddler1152]

Nah, you just hate not getting that sweet booty you like so much. I can smell your secretions from over here dude x''D

[@harleywilson8829]

Poor Adam 😢

[@Manudyne]

@@harleywilson8829 Adam and Orcal be like: 🗿

[@Hat-san]

"Gamers are sexist and don't like female protags" Yet most male gamers love to play as female characters cause what straight man doesn't like to look at a pretty woman? It's like they say these things and completely forget Tomb raider even exists and that's just 1 example of many. As what was well put in the video. We love female characters with unique stories and great character design. We don't love female characters for the sake of inclusion or any character for that matter. It's almost like when you make art with no political agenda people will like it.

[@EvilAngelXV]

Exactly! Why can't most people understand this😭

[@fuzzylittlespider]

I’m a women gamer and I’m so sick and tired of the modern girl boss. It makes me embarrassed to be a woman. Games can have women protagonist if done right but no one knows how to write strong women anymore and it’s exhausting. Now when I see a woman lead, I groan and shut my wallet!

[@Trindividual]

almost like they dont know how to portrait a women like they are some alien species

[@Akmarillion]

Yeah

[@hollowichigo56778]

If you think of core gaming as a pyramid, men are the foundation and the largest percentage of that triangle. We are the largest demographic in Western and Eastern gaming. When game companies make games that don’t represent or appeal to us, the literal foundation of their power and growth the past 20 years, they’ll find their money vanishes in an instant.

[@marctech1996]

Bro somehow forgot Spider-Man, in fact we have TWO, when it comes to male characters from Sony 😅 Also if you discount characters like Nathan Drake and Deacon St. John because their stories are either over or won’t be continued, then a female character like Selene from Returnal doesn’t count either because we know that Housemarque is moving to a new IP. I could also get extra pedantic and include male characters like Ratchet and both Clank and Astrobot are perceived as male. That isn’t even to mention second party games like Death Stranding that have a male lead or third party titles that are financially supported by PlayStation like FF7R and FF16. I wonder if the people complaining about a male lead being taken “away” (Jin’s story was finished btw so try keeping the same energy) will have the same issue when the next “Ghost of” game has a male lead again? 🤔

[@Eazyflea26]

At first I was not concerned about female protagonist until I heard they scrapped a whole entire story for Jin after it was complete because devs where asked to include a female lead.

[@randomuserame]

You should 100% pay attention to who games companies hire. It's indicative of either a level of incompetence to know who they have on staff, or complicity and agreeing with them. The VA for a lead being woke is actually _quite_ bad, as they have a higher degree of creative influence over the implementation of the narrative, more than one might expect. They have at least some degree of "veto power" over certain lines; or at least the activists are far more likely to grant themselves that power as an ultimatum "Let me mistranslate or find someone else". Intonation is also _very_ important for VAs.... there is a big difference between a line being delivered with levity, and the same line being delivered passive-aggressively. You can change the meaning/interpretation of a line by changing how you deliver it; and for an activist, they will use every trick in the book to make sure they squeeze out as much influence as possible; they're not above using false me2 claims to get what they want. Lastly, GoY is not being made by the same studio as GoT. They haven't proven themselves resistant or immune from woke activist insurgency/subversion. Instead, they swapped the MC for a woman, and hired a woke activist to voice her. Unfortunately continued enshittification of games by wokeness has taught me that this isn't a good first sign; and that I should just write it off now and save myself the disappointment. The woke cult sent us back collectively, about 30-40 years when it comes to any sort of social progress; because the goal of social progress got co-opted by tyrannical sycophants who are just waiting for the opportunity to draw the knife across your throat while you sleep. The easiest solution is to not let them in your house, no matter how much they tell you "they just want to help."

[@gporr7004]

You win by hurting pockets. Hurt their money. DON’T BUY IT!!!!! Hirt the pockets enough and you control the product eventually

[@jimcarrey2866]

Actman is the worse person to give example of "boy who cried woke". Not a few months ago he had the safe opinion not get cancelled making fun of people point out the obvious. Now he changed his opinion, not based on new knowledge, but on the safe opinion not to get cancelled. I know who are the Angry average Joes or Shills still Up and ready to make fun of anybody pointing out the obvious. I'm not even mad about them, most of the content I see from them is through other creators I follow. I hope they have success in their careers. Andypants recently showed that he knows what's wrong but, he doesn't know how to explain it. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Ghost 2. But, I've seen this one before, it's a classic.

[@jamesh5957]

Andypants is really not the guy u wanna reference rn lol, bro lost all credibility when he couldn't construct a cohesive argument without constantly resorting to fallacies my g

[@THEONETRUEOVERLORD]

But he’s right. The word lost all meaning. It just means anything conservatives don’t like anymore which makes it useless. It’s like when everyone on twitter called everyone they didn’t like racist it lost all meaning.

[@dimitrisbright9807]

Everything talked about in this video is exactly how trauma works. We have woke trauma and with trauma, the hammer and nail analogy is natural human nature. What people like Roger Clark are too disingenuous to understand is that back then, people’s political or social beliefs weren’t heavy handed forced down people’s throats and come off as preachy bullshit. And even if they did put their beliefs in their art, it never got in the way of telling a good story. Storytelling was ALWAYS first. Now…it’s a distant second or even last with agendas as first and foremost

[@malikfoxen2045]

If customers dont like tomatoes, and the restaurant keeps putting tomatoes in their food, then releases a new dish that has a tomato all over it... it doesnt matter if the food is good even with the tomatoes in it. Theyre gonna stop eating at the restaurant because you insist on putting tomatoes in their food, and even when they ask the restaurant to remove them, theyre either ignored or mocked by the kitchen staff. That person leaves and so does their money, then the restaurant is closed and the staff laid off and theyre like "I dont know what happened!" I've been making this argument to people dumping on people getting upset that the yotei protag was a "body type 2". Like perhaps theyre new to the whole thing, but you poke and poke and poke the bear, the bear will eventually consider you a threat, and will attack as soon as you lift your hand. Act Ma'am likes to appeal to the boy who cried wolf but the false equivalency there is that the boy who was crying wolf in this instance actually saw wolves and the villagers have been ignoring him the whole time... and now he sees a pair of eyes in the bushes and since theyve been coming around so often, its no surprise at all, (even though people who like the changes like to act like it is) that he's preemptively trying to get someone to deal with the wolf. If the game is fine, this will be the one time, where the villagers came and will be the one time there was no wolf. Using the boy who cried wolf is a bad analogy to explain what has been happening, and is only apt to you, if you have been ignoring the decline of triple A titles that adjusted to put diversity at the forefront of their philosophy and deleted male protags to make way for the new lady character, only for the games to decline in popularity or the story to take some weird-ass left turn.

[@guilherme5094]

👍👍!!!

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Ghost in Yotei has a tomato in it! REEE. SCORCHED EARTH! ACT OUTRAGED OVER TOMATOS!

[@malikfoxen2045]

@@Edax_Royeaux Shut up, lol. If you're going to ignore my whole point dont bother commenting.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@malikfoxen2045 Your point is countered by the outrage farm over "tomatoes". Precious few in this comment section are engaging in "Well I prefer not to eat tomatoes" rhetoric, and instead prefer to act persecuted, rooting for a game and company to fail based on very limited knowledge. Same thing happened with the GTA VI trailer, woke panic based on very limited knowledge. And I'm virtually certain GTA VI will NOT be the next Concord in terms of revenue.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

"deleted male protags to make way for the new lady character" That is certainly one way to spin a game being set centuries after the first one. "Deleting male protag!" *GET OUTRAGED*

[@Socherbal]

I think you are wrong brother. When the developers dismiss criticism because people are attacking a studio over being woke, you aren’t just caught in the crossfire. They are talking to you too with your “valid criticism”. They don’t like you either, and your criticism isn’t valid to them, no matter how level-headed you think it is. Those shouting about a woke voice actor and a female protagonist may appear extreme to you, but the only difference between them and you is they have been paying attention longer. They are just you pushed to the extreme (even if they aren’t as eloquent),and they are seeing patterns you aren’t privy to yet. This woke crap has been going on for a long time. That is why we are apparently in “gamergate 2”. Gamergate 1 happened 10 years ago.

[@deep_amok]

Still trying to figure out how the title of this video relates to its content. You basically said that you don't really subscribe to this outrage over the game but you can understand it. How is this 'a step too far'?

[@bekir51500]

He's doing it for the grift, lots of dumb brainlets are angry, they click and like anything that will remotely validate their opinions. At the end of the day he's a slave to his content and will bend his loser ass knees to the biggest common denominator. Like so many other youtuber, he brings no value to the platform, the industry and life as a whole.

[@andrejdelaney4222]

The thing is ... Particularly male players feeling like they are being pushed out is not just a baseless sentiment. Numerous reports, leaks, statements etc. from people inside the industry have already confirmed that this is actually the case. Could the new Ghost game end up good? Sure. But the whole thing undoubtedly stinks from a mile away, especially considering that there are rumours out and about that the decision to switch to a female protagonist has been made over the last year or so and the recent announcement apparently has caught Sony by surprise. And after Concord ... All of it sounds hella believable to me.

[@Hugh_Jannis]

"If you don't like it, don't buy it" Okay 🤷‍♂️

[@reguisthesjw7796]

Nobody cares

[@7RIXXX]

@@reguisthesjw7796ur mom cares😉

[@theblackknight101]

@@reguisthesjw7796 there definitely have been people who care.. hence the countless articles from hollywood press or games journalists about "toxic consumers".

[@LuisManChelosWorld]

​@@reguisthesjw7796Battlefield V's head devs did the same and the game flopped hard, people care LMAO

[@revisit8480]

@@reguisthesjw7796 You're right. You can shut up now.

[@jalmodov7817]

I agree with much of what you said. But it's not just the actress. Look up pictures of the previous and current development teams. That's all you'll need to see that this game is doomed.

[@thehoboman]

Yuna is the most compelling character in Ghost of Tsushima. The game also has the option of playing in Japanese if the voice actor is that big of an issue. If a female lead character bothers you I suggest you put the games down for a while and see a therapist.

[@saulmist9593]

I think it's an unintentional strawman (or a misunderstood sentiment) to label the dislike as stemming from "a voice actress we don't like" when it's more about the fact that she's an activist. When the writing is on the wall and the "pattern" that we gamers see involves companies hiring very vocal activists for a game, we typically know what comes next is, indeed, something with forced diversity. You seemed very fair and balanced in the first 2/3rd of the video, but at a certain point, instead of the Boy who Cried Wolf analogy from Act Man, maybe we ought to see it as a "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a *duck*." Actually, I think that's a much better portrayal of gamers' sentiments regarding this news from Ghost of Yotei. And even as a nominal fan of Ghost of Tsushima (loved the game, but never finished it, as the gameplay loop got fairly bland to me once I was maxed out, hardest difficulty was still easy), I could see that this was possibly a step in the bad directly - at the VERY least, the company should be hyper-sensitive to letting PR nightmares into their ranks and building a whole visual-storytelling game with a DEI and LGBTQ+ activist as the foundation.

[@hangar8872]

At this point, with all the recent "woke" gaming changes, this really turned into something bigger than "is the game good or not".. Gaming comunity just feels overlooked and attaccked by all these companys, blantly trying to shuve an ideology down the masses throats. Thats what all this fuss is about... And NOT about male or female protagonist. Hell we all played the sh*t out of Tomb Raider without a blink of an eye. To many people, whom have been gaming for years, and made these companies millions, a good game sequel, is something they trully cherish and await for, for years, as their source of entertainment and happiness. Thats what gaming should be about. The primal purpose of a game, should be to entertain, not to deliver ideologic propaganda, left, nor right. And now, they are messing with that. In name of a personal agenda. I feel this game, good as it may be, will be boycoted by many. No game made me invest in a PS5 yet.. GOT sequel would be it. Guess ill keep rocking my Ps4, GOT, and RDR2. As a side note.. im an old guy.. the last group of people that i can think of, to soooo openly and agressivelly use sports, tv, radio and everything in their reach to: "make you think the same way i do, weather you like it or not..." them MFs spoke German .. and were 100% in the wrong.

[@saulmist9593]

@@hangar8872 Very well said. Your experience deserves to be shared. Thanks for sharing it here with me!