The Lost Filming Location from Talons and How it Looks Today

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[@hgwells1899]

"So, using detailed comparisons between screen grabs and old photos-" Ah, music to my ears! Welcome back, Dalek 63•88:)

[@philtonge7522]

Splendid video. The location also turns up in 'The Elephant Man' (1980)...

[@Charlie_Duz]

Strike me pink! Another devilish delve into the diabolically detailed. Bravo, sir. Bravo! 👏👏

[@friendlyotaku9525]

Who knew a 30 minute video about a TARDIS landing sight could be so interesting? this was incredible, I'd love to see more videos like this from you. I love the regular Dalek videos but this is just as fascinating so I hope there'll be more like this!

[@reviewsbyelaine4902]

The work that goes into making these really shows - another extremely professional and fascinating episode that demonstrates excellent detective skills! I really enjoyed it, well done! Keep them coming!

[@stephenrider2413]

Fascinating as always. Everybody Weng-Chiang tonight!

[@IlSqueak]

Great 'Eck! I thought I was doing well spotting that "Leela" is now called "Mary" and living in "Emmerdale". I also remember that "Talons" is The One with the Giant Rat, but sheesh... This is ridiculously good detective work - pace(sic) tracking down each bit of every dalek ever (In classic Who + the films) is good, but finding every film shot on one obscure corner in London is just... amazing. Keep it Up!

[@originaluddite]

Maybe space always folds around the Doctor to ensure he's where he needs to be, in the nick of time or just a moment too late. :)

[@lc3566]

You certainly put a lot of work into your videos!

[@theprofessor5253]

Awesome alliterative ability. Top 'tec toiling too.

[@Lumibear.]

Brilliant, thorough and fascinating as always guys, thanks so much.

[@lordofthemoon7006]

Found what I think is a brief film shot of the TARDIS landing site, in daytime in 1982. It's on KZbin and it's a clip of a programme where Bob Hoskins and Barry Norman are talking about the plans to redevelop Docklands. At about 04:58 the pair of them seem to be right in front of where the TARDIS was and actually go into Pickford's wharf (on the left) to get to the river side. This film clip also has them strolling along Shad Thames - on film and it looks just like a shot from Resurrection of the Daleks! The London Picture archive website also has black and white photos of the interiors of both Clink Wharf and St Mary Overies wharf (under 'wharves') and ironically also from Butler's Wharf. All dated 1980

[@AndrewMartinIsHere]

Wow, the forensic detail in the research and the effort to then convey it back is fantastic. Nice to see things have improved, but a few old favourites remain.

[@OfflineSetup]

I walked the length of the Queens Queue for her lying in state, but I walked the opposite way (there is no message in there, I just wanted a walk). By complete surprise I came across the location and saw a boy wearing a dr who shirt with his dad by the ruined church wall. I asked the dad if they were there because of the dr who location, and they looked at me as if I was a crazy person. I quickly mentioned "Tom Baker filmed an episode here" and fortunately for me the dad was interested. I think you need a more memorable channel title , can I suggest "dr who bites your bum". no one will forget that.

[@dreamcastfan]

Ah, piles of crumbling brickwork! 😉 I honestly thought this was all shot in studio. I don’t know why I thought that, the only explanation I can think of is that I thought all the fog and darkness was being used to hide the sets. But then given how brightly they insisted on lighting the Sea Base in Warriors of the Deep there’s no way they’d have lit Talons so moodily!

[@aydinstone]

This work is indomitable

[@pianoman8642]

Loving the alliteration

[@samdenningsrestaurant]

I’m very interesting about history and lots of films as well telly same street fabulous absolutely

[@jnielson1121]

This is utterly epic. I LOVE your videos - the research and attention to detail is a constant delight. I also used to live really near these streets and it's amazing to find out I frequently hurried past key filming locations from Who horror classics :D

[@tastiger91]

Nice work. I remember walking around there when visiting the UK.

[@highpath4776]

I was aware of places to the East of Tower bridge into the south thames docklands that were often used for film locations and the Brewery/Hays Wharf area pre its modelling into the tourist traplands of today, but never had cause to visit the Southern Bulwarks of Southwark Bridge/Millenium Bridge London Bridge area on Foot, I suppose there was nothing there at the time of the kind of things I wanted to go to despite studying and working not far away on the other side of the river.

[@mrb.5610]

I remember goingcto see HMS Belfast in the early 70s with my parents snd be walked along that street .... those photographs brought it alll back ! Likewise a trip to the Monument when Billingsgate Fish Narket was still a market ! God, I feel old !!

[@whitleybayman123]

Awesome vid, love these location shots. Great research and well put together. Tom was my Doctor and this is one of my favorite stories.

[@TheZeofobic73Channel]

Wow what a piece of sci fi History

[@markmackintosh1195]

Brilliant video - absolutely fascinating!

[@RichArd-vc5jp]

Another amazing video!! Perhaps I can ask you a question. I'm sure I read somewhere that an episode of Image of the Fendhal was re-filmed (ep 4?) as it was damaged for some reason. Is that true? I cant find anything to back that up...?

[@Dalek6388]

I think there were some issues at the location filming but I don’t recall a whole episode being redone?

[@RichArd-vc5jp]

@@Dalek6388 I seem to remember possibly DWM saying it once but as scenes are shot out of sequance I cantvsee a whole episode being unusable. Perhaps it was the location as you say. Thanks for the reply.

[@endofthelane1]

No nothing refilmed for Fendahl. The original intention to film the explosive climax there was abandoned so as not to damage the Grade 2 listed building. There was also a generator that caught fire during the night shooting, but that was quickly replaced.

[@LukeNyul]

Wow! Nice work in solving that mystery and although it was never something I gave a second thought when watching Talons it's certainly a nice fact to know when watching the story in future! Excellent video 👍

[@MattHarropActor]

Bizarrely I have a video on my KZbin channel with a video of me and a friend eating food from the local market and we end the video facing the rose window basically right where the tardis stood. Makes me happy to know! Great video. Xxx

[@Djarra]

Great video. Was able to be a little ahead due to knowing the area. IIRC ‘Blue Peter’ in the 80s did a piece on the palace being preserved. As for the space warp I think that was caused by the Doctors sonic screwdriver briefly triggering the DALEK time tunnel that terminated down the river at Butler’s Wharf, as seen in ‘Resurrection…’ Speaking of ‘Resurrection…’ that’s another one where locations have changed immensely since filming.

[@goozer4248]

Thanks!

[@Dalek6388]

Thank you!

[@cockneyse]

Just watched "The London Nobody Knows" on Talking Pictures TV (may be available on their website) and saw another view of Clink Street and the TARDIS Corner on it.

[@zoomer1979]

Yes, just watched it myself. As soon as that corner with the brick reinforcement on it came up I realised! Great spot.

[@KarlDaly-n2r]

Very good, again

[@leejohnstone4663]

The production used streets in London to recreate the Victorian era. Streets in London still look like they did in the Victorian era lol

[@lightdark00]

Because? That's no laughing matter. 🤨

[@markoconnor1186]

To the devil a daughter was that filmed there,Im sure one of those metal bridge things there was a fight ? Or I may be thinking of return of the saint.

[@vampiremonkeyonspeed]

I mean, I suspect that pretty much nobody asked, but fascinating nevertheless.

[@benflay6038]

Wasn't cutty shark where tardis landed for 30 years in the tardis ?

[@endofthelane1]

It was, but that's about four miles away from the site being talked about in this video.

[@benflay6038]

@@endofthelane1 it says in video where it is

[@endofthelane1]

@@benflay6038 The ship in the video is The Golden Hinde.

[@HashbrownMashup]

Oh huh British people can just drive anywhere in Britain in like an afternoon on a whim can't they.

[@that-british-whovian]

The level of research and dedication is honestly inspiring

[@stimulusrespond]

I must admit: until watching this video, the location of the TARDIS in Talons is not something which has given me many sleepless nights. However, your deductive skills in this video are really quite fascinating to watch, and combined with some nostalgia in the form of memories of walking around Clink Street and its vicinity makes for a really pleasant video. Many thanks.

[@zandernewson9933]

Exactly - also I really want to visit the Clink Prison. They should have given him commission !

[@Anthony_Stockton09]

@@zandernewson9933who?

[@sensiblename295]

I remember back in the 90s DWAS issued a book detailing what was known about Doctor Who locations which I couldn't get on the spurious grounds I have never been a member of DWAS. Then around 1999, a chap called Stephen Carter started a superb location website where he tracked down obscure locations by the merest hint of a distant corner of a roof or the bend of a tree, and I was so taken aback by his photos of Talons locations, I had to nip down and visit them myself on New Year's Eve, which was naturally Millenium's Eve, and the streets had been cordoned off to traffic for that night's... er... revelries. I do hope he is well. Alas, his site didn't continue for too much longer due to costs, and then Richard Bignell produced his location book which was a magnificent opus.

[@SteveInScotland]

I’ve just realised, as a kid, we stayed overnight in London and walked over London Bridge, so not too far away about 4 years after this was filmed so I wonder if most of those buildings were still there. Oh to have bumped into Tom and Louise!

[@andrewellis9500]

terrific work - well done ! Other films using that same corner/area include Scrooge, A Study In Terror, Pool of London & The Elephant Man

[@marchampson006]

My Dad worked on that episode on BBC Television Outside Broadcast units running of West Acton base. For the couple of days i went to see the recordings at Northampton theatre and St Crispins hospital for other internal shots. I lived in a south Northampton village at the time so was easy for me to get to. It was good watching Stunt man Stuart Fell doing his work up above the stage and had quite a chat with Actor Chris benjamin in between takes. Under the stage there is or was a passage going to the makeup or production area what i think was Swan Street at the time. They laid track down for Camera and crew to do a scene where Chris Benjamin would walk in between the runners this take seem to take ages to do. Being a son of a BBC TV O/B rigger/driver ive been with him on lots of location filming from the early 1960's to the 80's. Always interested in behind the scene in the industry. Marc in Bletchley G6XEG

[@missingepisodespodcast]

Such an entertaining video. I never knew I needed to know so much where the TARDIS landed, but then that’s what you do. More please 👏 PS love the music too!!

[@HampshireVideo]

Bravo. Great detective work as usual Dalek 63:88. Mr Holmes would be proud.

[@BenCol]

Brilliant detective work! Would never have guessed that there was an American Werewolf connection - interesting to know that street wasn’t a dead end. Next you’ll be telling me the werewolf wasn’t real!

[@smorris12]

Excellent video! If you ever need to make a quick one that requires almost no detective work, East Hagborne (Android Invasion) has basically not changed!

[@OfflineSetup]

When the staff were getting a "bit of wood" to prop up the front of the TARDIS, could they of imagined that decades later their work would be analysed

[@StSparky]

I commend you for using “Murder By Decree” but suggest 1988’s “Without A Clue” could also give locations. 1982’s Hound starting Tom has scenes with Toby that may be useful.

[@MrBannystar]

You've answered a mild curiosity of mine which goes back a few years. I've always been interested in historic filming locations, especially Victorian London. On the Doctor Who locations site, I remember trying to find the opening shot as the walkways are reminiscent of Resurrection of the Daleks but to no avail, and now I know why! Yet again, fascinating work and brilliant research, and this is quickly becoming my favourite channel on YT!

[@JeremiahEcks777]

Shad Thames! That's much more findable. And had a nice Starbucks there too.

[@lesigh1749]

Alas if you go to where the warehouses in Resurrection of the Daleks are now, its entirely full of Cafe Nero, costa and swanky bistros, with LED spotlighting and plate glass everywhere.

[@JeremiahEcks777]

@@lesigh1749 It is but I've got to be honest, I kind of liked it down there. It looked busy in a quiet sort of way.

[@chriswinwood6501]

Bloody marvellous! How wonderful that I have walked across the Tardis landing spot umpteen times and never known. Thank you for this research.

[@frankshailes3205]

Never mind "Thameside tourist traps", this video is pure fan trap! I couldn't look away. It's like catnip but for Who-ers. I had to look up the tragic history/myth of Mary Overy/Overie, it's worthy of a Doctor Who story in itself.

[@arcoholic3]

An inspiringly brilliant video. Gives me much satisfaction of a mystery solved, despite never having wondered about the location in reality before. I used to spend a great deal of time near Clink street, the kids loved the Golden Hind, and I loved cycling through to the market by Southwark Cathedral (just beyond the dock for those not in the know). Now I feel that I must return and pay homage to one of the most eloquently atmospheric stories in the 'Who' canon. Masterful...

[@highpath4776]

Despite saying I had never really been in the area - until recently at Bankside for the Art Gallery I must have been once to the Golden Hind which I found by accident on some kind of stroll from the east to the west.

[@rickyred001]

i remember watching this when it first aired, i must have been about 9, i loved it, it has a jack the ripper vibe to it kind of, very good cast and also a bit left of centre with what Tom usually did as the Dr mid to late 70s, great video cheers

[@dametrot]

Awww love this sooo much ! This is a long my favourite walk in London I’ve been past it thousands of times literally had no idea that’s where location filming was, although of course it looks very different now! mind blown !

[@ppotter]

Walked through this area as part of the Queen Queue yesterday, which brought a bit of comfort to my already-aching feet.

[@OfflineSetup]

:-) It was a nice surprise for me as I walked the queue (but from the "end" to the "start").

[@peterdixon7734]

Excellent stuff. Parts of London did still look very Victorian in 1976. Sometimes, if you have clear shadows in a photo, you can determine the direction, as the sun is in the south. Unfortunately, it usually rains. "Talons" certainly had a Jack-the-Ripper vibe, although Whitechapel is about a mile away from this location, and modern police behaviourists have expressed the view that the offender in that case did not stray far from where he lived.

[@e-convoy1783]

Could we have more fun videos like this where we can go crazy based on topics like the studio that had once filmed the oldest doctor who episodes since the beginning of the series?

[@alexlyon2583]

Fantastic! I work in The Clink Prison Museum, and have long been aware that we're the site of the fight, but I had always assumed the TARDIS landed on Stoney Street - thanks for this!

[@alexlyon2583]

You'll be aware that Clink Street and the Borough Market also feature in the Secret Army episode 'Sound of Thunder'?

[@peternakitch4167]

Fascinating! And great detective work and use of sources. Having first seen them as a child, Talons and the Pyramids of Mars are still my favourite episodes.

[@thisiszaphod]

A surprising number of films and documentaries have used Clink Street as a location, down the years. I hope researching those has helped and save you time in this project.

[@serveaux]

Amazing work reconstructing the location of filming!

[@Dalek6388]

Thank you very much!

[@colfb]

I always thought it odd that the TARDIS landed on location / shot on film. Switch to studio / video for dialogue. Then back to location / film for Tom n Lou to walk off.... Now I know....and a whole lot more. The level of research and detective work is amazing - great video. Thanks! x

[@the.obstreperous]

As this is a great video, breaking down all the locations etc, I went on a Doctor Who location guided walk back in 2017 and some of these locations were already known to our guide and pointed out by him at the time.

[@jamesgameUK]

Very interesting and watch-worthy investigation work, I have been through that area a few times in my life and didn't know how much it had changed over time.

[@SinCity2007a]

Totally blown away by this. I have walked through this area so many times and even been to night clubs at The Clink many times in the 1990's. So cool to know that this was the site of two amazing pieces of sci fi / horror that I love so much. The Clink had a balcony that you could stand on to look down on to Clink Street. It must have been built where one of the bridges used to come out of the wall.

[@SamLowryDZ-015]

Excellent piece of detective work - worthy of Mr Holmes himself. I remember wandering down there on Sunday Mornings in the late 80s early 90s and recognised it as the location for Murder by Decree initially as it was still just as run down and wondered how on earth they got a coach and horses to navigate those turns at speed. The Clink as originally the London Dungeon before it was rebranded as the clink museum and the area redeveloped.

[@stickytapenrust6869]

On a sightseeing tour of London a few days ago, me and my best friend stumbled across this location entering from the Golden Hind end of Clink Street. Because of your video I *instantly* recognised where I was and the significance of the spot we had just walked over - we had walked over the spot where the TARDIS stood and walked past the corner with the face off between Chang’s minions and Team TARDIS!

[@martyb1981]

This is one of the best videos I have ever watched. The attention to detail and level of research are astounding.

[@davidaston5773]

This has BBC hire this man. Along with Josh Snares and other Doctor Who fans you prove the show connects with people who have a great vision and passion. Look at all the fans of the 60s and 70s who have become showrunners, writers, producers or even actors who played the Doctor. Yes, it's official: Doctor Who fans are a special breed who see something beautiful in the mundane thing. But of course, there's nothing mundane or normal about Doctor Who. I'm proud to be part of it. Thank you and bless you, David

[@marquonuk]

Wouldn't it be great if the TARDIS landing sites filmed in real locations had a "blue square" on the floor in a similar way to the blue plaques that mark locations where famous people lived? A good further use for your research. :-)

[@ExplosiveAction]

Absolutely fascinating. So much work put into these investigations - well done.

[@TooManyHobbiesJeremy]

Bravo! I really enjoy this classic Dr Who episode. Great job figuring out where it was shot.

[@chrisp5930]

Great stuff thank you. Regularly walked round here during lunchtimes and recognised the clink location but obviously not the demolished bits!

[@lallancashire2201]

Great vid 👍 interesting such great cult stuff as Talons and Murder by Decree and American Werewolf used that great location so effectively.

[@GreyHulk2156]

Jago: "Gather round to see Architectural Archaeology via Archived Animated Amusements." ;P

[@philwebb8049]

Funny, I was only watching this story this morning! Wonderful job! Very enjoyable - always love your videos 😉

[@9crutnacker985]

I got this story on DVD recently. I found the real location shots added a great deal in making this a very good DrWho story. Such a change from the studio based ones. Loved this video. Thank you.

[@francisvaughan7460]

Someone should really go and put up a few little plaques in these locations. A nice blue square painted on the roadway would be a nice touch.

[@thelastofthetimelords9043]

I was thinking the same. It would be awesome to have little plaques set up in places the TARDIS landed.

[@pianoman8642]

You guys could cure cancer if you put as much dedication into medical research as you do into old Doctor Who episodes. It would likely not be as much fun though.

[@obsidiancurse429]

Brilliant stuff, worthy of the great detective himself.

[@thepastremembered7651]

Brilliant work, now I want to see the film to enjoy seeing the locations, East Hagbourne is still as it was in 1975, and not too far is Aldbourne and country roads used for Planet of Spiders car chase, you have put so much work into this production, thank you for sharing with us all

[@DanniDerpy]

I havent been recieving notifications of your vids or reccomendations on my home page for a while now which sucks bc i love eveything you put out

[@paulg1974]

How bizarre! I’ve walked that street on a trip to London without knowing the Doctor Who connection!

[@DavidJHowe00]

Excellent stuff ... I worked just past the Clink for many many years in the 90s and walked down those roads to and from London Bridge station ... I never knew I walked straight over where the TARDIS landed!!! LOL The other locations I had figured out and knew ... but the detailed analysis and comparison with photos and the films shot at the same locations is superb!

[@Dalek6388]

Thanks David!

[@GrumpyOldGit60]

I remember the locations as they were! It's odd to think that somewhere so central in London was so run down and forgotten. Wapping Wall was pretty much the same. #feelingold

[@Doctor_Smith]

Very well researched, brilliant stuff. If you want another rabbithole to go down, try looking for the locations you see in The Invasion :)

[@X-Gen-001]

Very interesting. I remember as a kid I had a bit of a crush on Louise Jameson haha.

[@EdSigma]

Wow, I used to walk that route loads, when I was working at the Shard heading towards South Bank, and had no idea!

[@andrewgilbertson5672]

I love this kind of investigative work; bravo, fellas!

[@TheZodiacz]

Shakespeare used to lodge in Clink Street (the Globe Theatre being nearby), I wonder how close to that location.

[@mrattapuss]

find stuff like this absolutely fascinating. only wish there was more stuff like it on here

[@TheMelloyMan]

Love to see your style of videos cover later parts of Doctor Who :0

[@milk_is_a_lie9331]

I met Tom Baker in the 1980's and got his phone number and years later when I called him... more recently, I was surprised when he picked up, I though I might get some answering service. He's had the same number all that time lol. Guess the same house too. It is funny that I find myself watching this... I was watching some other Doctor Who video earlier. OMG this video is almost 30 minutes long lol.

[@stickytapenrust6869]

Can’t have been the same number. All landline numbers in the UK were changed as part of phONE Day in April 1995.

[@davidlavelle70]

Why, dash me optics! Fantastic work, I love this kind of research. Very, very impressive.

[@lordofthemoon7006]

If you go into Flickr and look up Peter Marshalls photos (he took loads of derelict areas of 70s and 80s London) go to his 1978 album and there are black and white pictures of this very location. There's even one of the posters that the production team left behind!

[@highpath4776]

thanks will have to look

[@eonetim]

Since the 80's (and probably earlier, but not to my knowledge) fans have gone down here and of course found the corner and then just sort of looked around and said the landing site must have been near here. The logical place being where the shots imply, near that shutter - but of course, the magic of film, we were looking the wrong way. And the walkways look like Shad Thames from Resurrection of the Daleks, so in my mind at least, I'd considered that being a possibility (no production documents here). Lovely to have it pinned down at last - a mystery solved 💜

[@highpath4776]

The walkways at shad thames were a little longer and more frequent/numerous

[@eonetim]

@@highpath4776 and you have the perfect name to speak of them 👌

[@highpath4776]

@@eonetim Indeed I am often run over by delivery trollies

[@eonetim]

@@highpath4776 🤗

[@bletheringfool]

The reconstruction work that went into this is astounding. You guys make the video version of going down a rabbit hole and make it fascinating and entertaining.

[@grahamturner1290]

I fondly remember watching it at the time.