The Manchester RIPPER: A NEW Nightmare from an Old LEGEND / Jack the Ripper (1905)

[@DaysofHorror]

This video is a long one, so make a brew or grab a glass of the finest, get some treats, and settle down. Try and make sense of what you are about to hear, and let us know your thoughts on the case in the comments down below. Also, please share and like the video, as it does help with the algorithms. 🫡

[@-Reagan]

The longer the better when it’s one of yours! I’ve just discovered your channel and I am binge watching every single video, I only hope they hold out until the next one premieres! I’ve rang the bell for this one and the bell for ALL of the others! I appreciate you adding this notification so, I won’t miss a video. I loved the rainy weather cemetery tour of the Brontë family parish. That’s how I found you. I think… or it might’ve been the story of Auld Aggie… I watched them both before the one on Ceaser’s resting place in Rome. Regardless, I’d love to see more, even if you don’t trace the footsteps of antiquity on the long road to Rome and, you’re just wandering around a damp cemetery (lovely atmosphere, tbh) showing us the gravestones or walking along a windswept cowpath aside an autumnal pasture, telling any auld story. Thank you so much!

[@DaysofHorror]

Mant thanks for the kind words. We always feel anxious just before a new video goes up as we never know how people will take to it, but at the end of the day, as long as we enjoy doing the research and enjoy the travelling to these places, then we are happy. And if others like it, then that is an absolute massive bonus to us.

[@Deedsofwill]

Amazing video

[@Bee-ly4gx]

I always have a brew whilst watching and one great thing is your sound quality is so good I can boil the kettle whilst watching and don’t need to pause unlike many channels. Good point about the date on the magazine I do know that a lot of women’s magazines are dated in advance or at least they were back in the day when I used to buy them. Haha had mi brew now so I’m following your orders and having a glass of the finest Aka a glass or two of sparkling pinot Grigio from home bargains 😂.

[@kimmccabe1422]

3 Bud 24oz's will do? Just no lunch😊

[@LorraineWeston-t9j]

Sad story but intersting. Shame they don't have head stones. A couple points: sometimes serial killers do go back to the scene of the crime to interfere with the body & i beleive that comic was stuffed down his throat days after the murder. Great channel.

[@DaysofHorror]

When we were thinking (or talking) aloud regarding serial killers and going back to the scene of their crimes, in my head I was thinking about the location of where Thomas was found and how it might have been difficult to avoid being seen, should the killer have gone back. But I guess anything is possible and he could well have done so in the very early hours when the streets may have been much quieter?

[@veronicacomoe]

How very sad for all 4 boys. The 2 found & the 2 never found. May they RIP 🙏🏻. Ty for telling these young boys stories that they may be remembered & thought of to RIP. 🖤🖤🖤🖤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks for watching Veronica 😊

[@KellyfromMemphis]

I am pleased you actually go to these places, it totally adds to the story. 🤗

[@DaysofHorror]

We always try to visit where the stories took place, as you say, it can add more to the story and people may be able to get a feeling as to what the places may have once looked like, as with time, many change so much.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Kelly, we always try 😊

[@kimmccabe1422]

It brings it to us, the present.

[@kimmccabe1422]

​@@DaysofHorrorA partnership who works together, espec. on important issues, stays together😊 Good job

[@shirleybezuidenhout2724]

Such a sad story once again thanks for sharing. So sad when children get murdered and so brutally makes it worse. Feel so sorry for their families 💔 I think that they were lured away by someone unknown to them, probably went willingly trusting whhoever this was nnever thinking that any evil would happen. Whoever did this was scared that his identity would be made known. Such a pity that case went cold. Once again very interesting story going back many years 😢

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yeah, I always think of the fear tye child is going through and how as a parent you live knowing someone murdered your child and you couldn't stop it happening, just hard to comprehend 😊

[@Stesasda]

Love the longer vids.....You and Vickie's presentations just keep getting better.These stories you revive would be forever forgot if it wasnt for you and channels like yours.Thanks again for another fascinating story.Well done😊

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you for your kind comments, I personally think the longer ones we can re tell the stories better for you the viewers 😊

[@angelamills58]

Well presented and edited enjoyable to watch. Keep up the good work. Perhaps enjoyable might not be the right word, informative.

[@DaysofHorror]

Thanks for watching

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Angela

[@lunarose7234]

I missed the live,but this is such a sad story, ive never heard about it . Thank you ❤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Glad you enjoyed Luna, and thanks for your continued support 😊

[@esterherschkovich6499]

Gosh did not know Manchester had a Ripper... Am watching... Thank you... New sub here...

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Ester,and welcome on board. We have a lovely small community here and love you see comments about our stories. We release new videos ever Monday at 8.05pm. Thanks again for your kind comments 😊

[@michelleellis1290]

Yay I’ve found another good channel. Keep up the great work.

[@DaysofHorror]

Welcome aboard and many thanks for the kind comment :-) Hopefully you find some of the stories interesting.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you Michelle 😊

[@therossendalerambler-mikei7294]

Another fascinating and tragic story, well documented and researched as usual guys well done. Virtually ZERO clues and nobody brought to task.

[@suemcgregor9248]

It would be many years into the future until the Police learned how to sniff out serial killers, as late as the Yorkshire Ripper they still thought they were hunting a monster. They weren't, they were hunting a hunter who knew more about victimology than they did. R.I.P. to these dear boys ❤

[@Bee-ly4gx]

One thing we do know is the press haven’t changed their tactics. I love your channel and I think one of the reasons apart from great content is the relationship between you both it’s so refreshing to see a couple doing things together and interacting in such a lovely way despite the dark content.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Aww thank you for the lovely comments. We are a good duo. Thanks for watching 😊

[@kimmccabe1422]

So true.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@@kimmccabe1422❤

[@Bee-ly4gx]

@@Daysofhorror-vickie you certainly are.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@Bee-ly4gx thank you ❤

[@rosemarymoore9825]

Fortunately for me your channel popped up, fascinating but sad story,so you now have a new subscriber 😊 looking forward to watching past episodes and new ones!

[@DaysofHorror]

Welcome aboard! Just hope you find the other videos on interest :-)

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Glad to have you on board Rosemary, glad you enjoyed, Got a good selection her on our channel 😊

[@lunevalleyparanormal]

Thank you for this video Chris & Vicky a true tale of horror & intrigue A search into any kind of crime records may see a pattern especially with the gaps in the time frame Is it feasible to contact what is now Greater Manchester Police to find out if they have archived files available Great video again 👍🏻👍🏻

[@DaysofHorror]

That's something we have spoken about and I know the police museum can be extremely helpful with things such as this.

[@lunevalleyparanormal]

@@DaysofHorror excellent 👍🏻

[@DonnaBooth-qe3ez]

I love watching your new video tonight it was a sad one I just can't believe what happened to them to young boys my heart goes out to all their families 😢❤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

It was. You and your mum should come into the premier of the videos.. xxx

[@mash0101-b5j]

Brilliant but oh so sad. Your videos never disappoint. I think you mentioned the railway being expanded upon, hence those empty houses; alot of the railway workers were transient. I find it quite extraordinary that these horrific murders just started and then stopped. There's always the possibility that they may have gone abroad of their own volition or deported. Anyway great investigative work and I always 'enjoy'😮 watching them.

[@DaysofHorror]

Many thanks for the kind words. We have covered a couple of stories of workers travelling around, and this could well be exactly what was going on here.

[@emmajulian8716]

Dear god only 20 minutes in and im nearly crying poor boys

[@DaysofHorror]

I know. It's so sad. Thanks for watching the premiere tonight Emma vickie x

[@emmajulian8716]

​@@DaysofHorrorthank you Chris and vickie great video

[@Lancastrian501]

Hi, I enjoyed the video very much thanks. Just to add to your comment about whether Thomas & Squire had donations to aid the funeral etc of the boys, I don't know about Thomas, but Squire did have a collection from some "kind hearted persons" but that only amounted to 3 shillings. That's a shame but, as you said, the area was poverty stricken so maybe the neighbourhood simply didn't have any money to give?

[@janetbryan2060]

Those poor lads. Terrible to think of it and that the kller was never brought to justice. Thank you for telling their stories and remembering them.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

I know! Thanks Janet for watching and commenting 😊

[@stephen8577]

outstanding video, so pleased ive found this channel. now in the process of binge watching older videos. well researched and excellent presentation. great work and thank you.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thank you so much Stephen for your kind comments and glad to have you on board 😊

[@bluebird1109]

Thanks for sharing. Excellent.

[@DaysofHorror]

Glad you enjoyed it and for the kind comment. This story we covered as a podcast a few years ago and we have always wanted to visit the actual location of where the first murder took place.

[@bluebird1109]

@@DaysofHorror I love your format, you both really bring the stories to life with excellent research and video footage. So glad I found your channel! 💚

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@@bluebird1109so kind 😇

[@Jkk55]

I just noticed I forgot to comment on this I have watched it and left a like very sorry tale it always is when children are involved you always do a great job Chris thank you 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yeah, sometimes difficult finding right words to use too. Thanks for watching and your support as always 😊

[@lunaumbra]

I'm watching it again because I was chattering in the chat and missed some of it 😆You make a great team and the research, presentation is brilliant! Keep up the good work ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@DaysofHorror]

Thanks again!

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

We do, don't we 😅. Love the interaction during the premieres and glad you enjoyed this one. Thanks for yoir support as always 😊

[@lindar7698]

Just found this channel and very subscribed and I am enjoying binge watching your past vlogs. Love your narrative.

[@DaysofHorror]

Thank you so much Lindar. Means a lot to us both the kind support you give to us.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

That's lovely to hear and welcome on board. Glad you enjoyed this one 😊

[@davidwoodham1307]

Great work guys I am I Joining your video work keep up with the great work guys may the boys R.I.P . so be safe guys

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks again David for your comments. 😊

[@jenatkinson6067]

You should cover the unsolved murder of Mary Ellen, who's body was found in a basement on Bromwich street, Bolton. It's a very interesting story and as I said, still unsolved to this day.

[@DaysofHorror]

Now this sounds interesting! I'm currently looking into a couple of stories this evening so will have a quick look at her name and story now. Thanks so much for the heads-up.

[@brandyjean7015]

I can see kids with a row of abandoned houses to play in, avoiding the one that stinks! The police didn't ask the ne'er do well urchins; they might have been able to tell them when that house started to smell like death.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yeah I see where your coming from with that!

[@marksadventures3889]

Sadly, sexual abuse, rape and murder in such circumstances is not unheard of through the centuries - child abuse is something that has happened for a long time to the extent that Fairy Tales were ways to disguise such stories and to warn children to keep away from strangers. In modern times such things seem almost regular in occurrence. The links to some disturbed people in places of authority are not unheard of either. As a story once posed a clue - "The Juwes will not be blamed for nothing", referring to members of a certain "brotherhood" for a Sherlock Holmes story - within the culture of Luciferianism dark sacrifice was practiced by some.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes, Mark totally agree with this, it is horrific to think what these children mind mentally and physically go through at the hands of these monsters 😢

[@ReneeHorth]

Yes ! Vicky is really good at finding graves, and has good ideas as to what could have happened, from a woman’s perspective 💚

[@DaysofHorror]

Yes, she does. We make a great team !

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Renee. Yes and I point out b footage to add into the videos when we are out and about. ❤

[@-Reagan]

Looking at Thomas’s photo, he might’ve had a form of chromosome disorder. Perhaps Down’s Syndrome. He would have been able to work at age 15, most are able to work by age 20. Especially the type of work he did. All people who have Down’s and other chromosomal conditions that typically affect development have varying degrees of abilities. He seemed quite capable and intelligent. He stuck to a routine, which is characteristic. His mother trusted him implicitly to go and come on a routine that he seemed rarely to deviate from. I think he would only be led off by someone he knew. I thought he might’ve been lured by the comics, even if the date was wrong, too. You both point out interesting possibilities. It makes me consider another possibility and that is the attacker revisiting his crime scene. Maybe he brought the comic strip with him and did that after the death. I wonder if there’s any photos of the strip or a description anywhere. Revisiting the scene is common among sexually motivated serial killers. They are motivated sexually by replaying the crime and gaining feelings that they experienced during the crime, which they want to relive. The killer might’ve derived satisfaction from stuffing comics, specifically to be shocking in exhibitionism. It makes sense that it would have happened within a few days of the crime. Usually, it occurs within days or even up to a few weeks after a murder. It happened in the case of the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway, also Ted Bundy revisited the bodies of his victims, for gratification purposes. The Atlanta Child Killer Wayne Williams is suspected to have done the same. Another possibility is that it may have been planted intentionally by the killer at a later time, to deceive the police or mislead them about the time of death and means of killing. Did they ever ask his family about that paper? It seems they determined it didn’t belong to him. It’s unfortunate they didn’t know he was there and that they didn’t stake out the scene, if they could have avoided spreading word about it and that, too might’ve endangered others who were warned to go in pairs and not be out alone. All three boys (described so far) have been raised by single/widowed mothers, have varying temperaments and routines and personalities. They have a commonality in where they lived, the nature of attacks, the similarities of places where they were found, being remote or hidden places near to their homes. The places as well would be known to be rarely traveled. They would be places known to the killer, as a local. Otherwise, the killer could not necessarily have known for certain these places were private or, even there (such as the cellar). It’s possible the cellar where Kingston’s skeletal remains were found, was the same place where he was killed. The fact his pants were still pulled down though, not fully off as they would have been if he’d been dragged. So, instead of attacking in one place and then moving the body to another location and leaving it there or in a third, there seems to be a single location for each victim, attack and murder. Otherwise, the scene was restaged by the killer either for gratification of appearance or staging for the arousal of imagining how they would be discovered. In a degrading scene. They are all unusual in being sexually motivated killings and there being so many of them in a relatively short period of time and area. I don’t personally believe the killings were related to the Ripper’s murders. It’s possible the police released the man responsible. It’s highly probable they interviewed him and released him. He was likely keeping up with the police investigation and could have been in contact with the victim’s familles after their death. It would be easier for a single man to approach a single woman or widow, with the pretext of showing sympathy or support, rather than if she were married. Simply to be in proximity with the victims and discuss the cases. One thing, I wouldn’t rule out a younger man, an older boy or a man who was somewhat of a loner. I think the victims felt compelled to go with him, either by threat of a weapon that he could conceal or, by luring them with a promise. It might not have even been anything very valuable, it’s simply the promise of it. He could have told them he needed help with a job and he’d split the money with them or, that he had something interesting he wanted to show them. He could have said he had a lost or injured dog and asked for their help to bring it home. This was long before stranger danger. The term serial killer hadn’t even been invented. The Whitechapel murders would hardly have held any bearing on the conduct of boys, especially with someone they were familiar with from the area. The Whitechapel killings weren’t committed on boys, and there was a strong sentiment that the Whitechapel victims were doing "unwholesome" and loathsome work for alcoholic drinks, which was scorned on basis of religious, cultural and social values. The truth was that they were most likely targeted for the fact they were much more accessible and often alone, vulnerable, both destitute, functionally homeless and often inebriated. This idea was that Jack was targeting prostitutes due to their work and that they reminded Jack of his mother, who had caused him to become a sex-crazed maniac and he resented her, was most likely incorrect. However, the idea was so ingrained that, nearly a century later, in the case of the Yorkshire Ripper, many of Peter Suttcliff’s victims were immediately labeled by police and media as being engaged in prostitution. Some were, however not all were. This was being printed as fact in newspapers and it traumatized many children and families of these victims, who had never known their beloved mother’s to do anything like that and were shocked by the news. They were also taunted and told that their mothers had brought it in themselves. It was wrong, even for those who were involved with sex work. It was deadly for women who believed they were safe from being targeted, since they didn’t engage in that sort of work. It was not until a young girl was attacked, educated and working in a job considered to be very respectable at the time, who had a spotless reputation. She was found on the street in front of a park and had been dragged. Another girl had been beaten in the back of her head in a sudden, frenzied attack and police didn’t connect it with the murders bc she didn’t fit the profile, being only a 17 year old girl who was a typical teenager. There’s a very good documentary on the Yorkshire Ripper that goes into the case and sociological aspect, if anyone is interested in it. I’d be glad to share a link. Well , you’ve done a wonderful job with this! I hadn’t heard about this case, before. I’m certainly interested to learn more. It’s very tragic and details are heartbreaking. Even though the families and killer(s) are long gone, it seems still unfair that there’s a story untold and their killer remains unknown (at least to those of us still here living on earth). The fact it remains unsolved is tantalizing. I like the mystery aspect and the puzzle of psychological implications. You’ve certainly given me something to ponder that I will not soon forget. Your thoughts, questions, suppositions and insights are all enriching to consider and share with you and others. I know I’ll be sharing this documentary. You have such genuinely compassionate hearts and you have created an outstanding piece of work. The victims are given a chance to express themselves through your words, for them to be remembered anew by who they were, not simply their ending. Thank you! ❤️ I know I’ve said too much. Please excuse me. You’ve really inspired my heart and mind, riled me up for these little boys and I’m trying to make some sense of it. TL;DR please read the last three paragraphs, or even just the final one. I know it’s very long. I do apologize for leaving such long comments. I’ll refrain from that, in future.

[@DaysofHorror]

Don't apologise for this being long as we love it and you raise some brilliant points! Are you ex-police or still working for the police as we like the way you are logical in your thought process. The more people interact with the videos, the more we (myself and Vickie) can learn more and hopefully make future videos even better.

[@suemcgregor9248]

The concepts of staking out and processing crime scenes, victimology and criminal profiling were unknown to Police in the early 20th century. We cannot criticize an investigation by modern standards

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

Hi Chris - subscribed yesterday and been watching since! Hooked! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Glad you've found our channel and enjoying the videos. Thank you for your support.

[@DaysofHorror]

Welcome aboard!

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Carol, nice to have you on board. We do weekly videos and some lives, and now and then throw in an extra video during the weeks

[@CarolWoosey-ck2rg]

There's a mystery from Liverpool might intrigue you- think it was after the war and a group of kids found a large metal cylinder - when the authorities opened it, it contained the body of an Edwardian Gent ! Don't know much more about it but worth checking it out if you can

[@GregPodster133]

Still working my way through your 'Back' Catalogue. 😂xxx

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Good to hear! Glad you enjoyed this video 😊

[@DaysofHorror]

Many thanks, Greg. We do cringe looking back at them now 😬

[@andrewmarsland4793]

Hoyle street/ Rachel street was the location of city of Manchester public mortuary, which was operated by Manchester City council built in the late 50’s and closed about 1995/1996, we went in looking inside it after it had closed down.

[@AcornElectron]

Missed the live sorry. I’ll fall asleep to it and watch properly tomorrow, well, after I sleep. ❤ longer is a-ok with me.

[@patriciaangeles4816]

I think he was keeping the boys in another location until they became a problem, hence the sickly one went quickly

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

You might be on to something with this comment 🤔

[@jeepsthetimebandit]

DNA has been an amazing thing for catching killers. If this happened today, he would have been caught easily, I reckon.

[@jaynelouise8221]

I am subscribed to another KZbin channel called Faces of the Unforgotten . Based in the USA is a similar channel to this which I enjoy yours too by the way, he leaves a Yellow rose on the graves of the ones he tells the history/story of their life and what happened. Sometimes the person hasn't got a headstone so especially if they have died horrible eg murdered or in a horrific accident he raises money from the subscribers and he himself to get a headstone for the forgotten person . Just an idea but why don't you suggested to your subscribers to do that for that poor vulnerable boy x

[@DaysofHorror]

Yep, we also watch Ron (FotF) and he is brilliant. As for headstones and raising money, we aren't as big a channel as Ron's and after our experiences of dealing with councils and other authorities when it comes to plaques and the like, it has kind of left a sour taste as the amount of paperwork and red-tape we have to get over the line has at times just been horrendous. It's a good idea, trying to help by having headstones or markers made, but one we might have to think about in the near future.

[@JonfitzFitzjohn-k6s]

Can't Wait Guy's

[@jacquelinemitchell7148]

Very interesting video brillantly told 💯💯😎📷📸✅

[@DaysofHorror]

Glad you enjoyed it Jacquline. Thanks for watching

[@Richieb1774]

Just had a thought, maybe after the first body the children where told not to play in the cellars, so the body could have been missed for a long time ?

[@DaysofHorror]

Excellent point! That something we never gave a thought to, and it wouldn't be a surprise for parents to warn their kids. Damn! Should have put that in the video 😀

[@roymcnicholas4825]

Most kids back then also hung about in groups but no other kids were mentioned

[@suemcgregor9248]

Lured away perhaps? Police didn't know about victimology then

[@elainaworsley470]

Poor souls don't even have head stones. So sad. May all 4 RIP.

[@DaysofHorror]

It's one of the most frustrating issues we have when covering these stories, visiting the cemeteries and graveyards only to find no headstone.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

I know, so sad 😢

[@murielmaccalman3021]

Late to this one but could it not be a Myra hindley , Iain Brady situation and the woman enticed them first . X

[@DaysofHorror]

To be honest, we never gave it a thought that it could have been a couple, as you say, like a Hindle. Interesting!

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes, good point 😊

[@DonnaDouglas-x3x]

Hello from New Hampshire, USA. Maybe the connection if through their widowed mothers. Did their mothers work at the same place or get aid at the same place? Did these boys go to the same church? Thank you for this interesting case.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Good points raised here, unfortunately we just do not know, but something to think about 😊

[@roymcnicholas4825]

And I thought that phedopillia was a more modern thing I knew it existed way back but this was extreme madness and frenzy this killer was definitely very sick .

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

As long as there have been humans, there have been sickos, unfortunately.

[@suehawthorne1553]

An other interesting true story which will never be solved , leaving us with lots of questions 😢

[@DavidWoods-of2ct]

It may have been someone from the factory or a ex serviceman or a gayman

[@LisaSwainbank]

Exciting ❤

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

😊

[@gingermolly234]

Very sad. Regarding the date of the comic, could it have been a 3 and read as an 8? If the 3 is correct, it would make sense. The description of delicate could mean health issues as well. Sadly, we will never know the full truth 😢

[@DaysofHorror]

That is a very good point! I've read the number 3 as being an 8 many times at work when filling in delivery notes. It's an interesting idea and does for thought!

[@emmajulian8716]

This is great got my pop and cake ready 😂

[@lindar7698]

I think you have stalker, there is a strange lady following you.😂😂😂😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@DaysofHorror]

Hahaha, our vickie in back ground 🤣

[@WyattRyeSway]

Awwww, Thomas doesn’t have a headstone. That’s sad. How far back in time do those headstones in that cemetery go? Some of those look ancient. Really interesting old cemetery. We don’t have numbers on our headstones until you find the grave you are looking for. We don’t have cemeteries near that big in my area. The boys knew their killer. Also Thomas might have been mildly intellectually challenged or on the spectrum. If the killer was from the area and both boys knew him, at least by sight.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

I see your thought process here.. Again thanks for watching Wyatt and commenting 😊

[@lameesahmad9166]

There is a very good old idiom relevant to the press. "Good news is no news and does not sell". Only the most shocking or macabre news sells with the exception of news about famous people. But even then the press will be like vultures on a carcass if there is any scandal about these famous people. The very public life of the British Royal family makes easy pickings. In this case I wonder if that child reprobate belonged to a gang of robbers and muggers which the local police did not know about. Maybe the families knew their own children hung out with him and covered up this fact. Schoolyard bullies always pick on quiet and naive children and that sweet quiet boy sounds like a perfect victim. Maybe the bad child knew who had done that and an older member of this group decided that he had to be silenced. Maybe the story of Oliver is taking it a bit far but maybe an adult man enticed children to rob people and steal from people and lured these poor children in with promises of wealth and things they could not afford. Maybe after these horrific murders he kidnapped the other two children and relocated to somewhere where the loot would be better. So many possibilities and few answers. I live in Cape Town in South Africa and I was involved through our religious youth group in trying to educate our children about the dangers of drug trafficking. The drug lords have an evil way to get young people to ferry drugs from one location to another and to sell them on the streets. They target very poor children below the age of 17 preferably even 5 years younger. They show off their fancy cars and rich life style and tempt the boys with the promise of great riches for the child if they ferry the drugs and/or sell them for them. But they use the sick story that these children will be able to give their parents a better life and (especially in the case of single mothers) their parents will not have such a difficult task to provide for them and will not have to work so hard. These naive children are easily hooked. After one delivery the drug lord then tells them that they need to try the drug so they know what they are selling. The children take the drug and normally they are given something like heroin which is instantly addictive. Then the children fund themselves working for free to feed their addiction. If you think this is bad, it gets worse. In our country children under the age of seventeen cannot be fully convicted for drug running. That is why the drug lords use children under 17. The children do not realise that when they turn 17 the drug lords execute them. This way they try to evade the law. Terrible but true.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks for sharing as always your thoughts. We really appreciate these long detailed comments. 😊

[@kimmccabe1422]

Poor kid. Now quiet with God 🙏and at total peace.❤ I think there probably was a nice headstone paid for-but interfered with by curious seekers over the yrs, they finally took it down or it was stolen. Either way, he was loved by many strangers in the end and, is at total peace now 🙏

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

😢 RIP 🙏

[@lindaholmes9289]

The killer in my opinion must have known the area im thinking that he was from another area and using the trains to move away from the area im sure its the same person who has committed these awful murders and he sexually assaulted these lads and killed them so he couldn't be recognised he probably killed the other two lads then using the train for a quick get away im sure its not jack the ripper because he hated prostitutes and he killed them other killers new that he was being blamed for all murders at that time and they could get away from it great video really enjoyed many thanks jeff 😀👍😇

[@barbaraprest783]

Thomas 's mum said he was a delicate and shy boy so he imo would not have met with a stranger early in the morning ( when few people would have been in that area ) he was meeting someone he knew

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes, I think Thomas must have known him somehow, though work of friends with him being a delicate boy. Thanks for watching and commenting Barbara. Have a lovely week

[@susandoig4192]

Poor wee Boy

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@@susandoig4192Agree Susan 😢

[@boohoo1902]

Just an idea, start a fundraiser to pay for a headstone? I’ll donate ✔️

[@DaysofHorror]

It's such a big thing to undertake, which we have done previously. Then there is the issue with 'red tape', which again, we found to be a massive headache when it comes to councils and getting permission, etc, to erect a plaque or headstone. It's just a huge thing to do and takes up a lot of time. It's something we just don't want to organise again. We don't mind helping with donations should someone else take it on.

[@wiccanways]

Hit the thumbs up as this will get out to more people 😊

[@DaysofHorror]

Thanks Liz 👍

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks Liz. Your support always appreciated 👏 😊

[@Deviljacket]

Just a thought, but , why no start up a fund (like go fund me) for just such things as the unmarked grave of poor little lads. Like Thomas Smith. I would donate and I am sure many other subscribers would love to. Probably he has no living relatives to care.❤

[@Deviljacket]

*not

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks, will give it some thought

[@emmajulian8716]

Well Chris and vickie i knew you wouldn't disappoint and your certainly didn't this video was great. I think this murderer was a copycat jack the ripper. Those poor 2 boys. My 10 year old boy is like Thomas very delicate learning age off a 4/5 year old so i understand what delicate is. Well done Chris and vickie

[@DaysofHorror]

We struggled to try and word it correctly when mentioning Thomas, as we both felt his mother was intimating he maybe had learning difficulties and we didn't want to offend people by mentioning it in the wrong way, but thats what we both think was being said in the newspaper cuttings.

[@emmajulian8716]

@@DaysofHorror yes definitely learning difficulties bless him my 10 year son as learning difficulties and my 5 year old girl is none verbal autistic so I completely understand what was being said and you both said it in a great respectful way

[@bjmartin5225]

Perhaps the killer came back to the body to play with the body and he stuffed the magazine down his mouth because of a strange reason known only by the killer . Also would it be normal for a young person to carry a walking stick no it must of been an older man . I think that would a big clue .

[@DaysofHorror]

I always thu k about the walking stick. From what the police say, it has one of those large, rounded knob handles, so I can't but think it's possibly someone older and with money. Some business type of man. I know that may just be me stereotyping, but that's my thought.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes when I discussed this story with Chris we both think it was a older man, just everything in our opinion relates to it being an older man! Thanks for watching and commenting 😊

[@davidandrews8963]

THAT BRIDGE AREA AT THE BEGINNING LOOKED WELL IFFY WOULDN'T GO THERE AT NIGHT BRILLIANT FILM VERY WELL PRESENTED THANKYOU FROM DAVID CROMER NORTH NORFOLK COAST 🌊🏐🥅⚽⚡🎸🎶🇬🇧👽

[@DaysofHorror]

We said we wouldn't like to walk those areas during the night. Manchester has a pretty rough name to it with the homeless and crime, and from all accounts, the area we were walking in during this video can be sketchy. We were in Manchester that morning on a completely different trip, so we decided to use the opportunity to do this story as it's one I've wanted to do for a couple of years. Luckily, as it was the morning, the area was quiet for most parts, except for that annoying drone sound you can hear in the background coming from a nearby warehouse.

[@jonboypatton]

Just in

[@barryalken4733]

Is this story true before I save or not ?

[@DaysofHorror]

All these stories we do are very much true and can be easily found in historical records, newspapers etc.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Yes, and documented in the news at the time. 😊

[@rozcole3650]

I think they were lured there to do some work for good money for the murderer and second time they were set upon

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

👍 yes very plausible. Thanks again Roz for watching and commenting 😊

[@annkynaston3605]

If it was someone travelling through it would be much easier to abduct a small boy of seven than a teenager,you could drug him and carry him onto the train in your arms, something you would struggle to do with a teenager,plus being rather noticeable.

[@DaysofHorror]

Yes, but found in houses near picadilly !

[@annkynaston3605]

Sorry,I thought the little boy's body was never found only the two teenagers.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

​@annkynaston3605 sorry yes, the little boy never found. I read it wrong. So very plausible could have been drugged and taken 😊

[@VICTOR-pf9eg]

Have you ever thought about Joseph maybrick some said that he was the Jack the ripper I think I heard stories that he was on drugs or something in a fit of rage killed the two boys and killed the other two boys that were not seen again have you not thought about it

[@DaysofHorror]

I know about James Maybrick and his links to possibly being JTR. We covered his story a couple of years ago and visited his grave. But I've never heard of him being linked to killing boys?

[@annkynaston3605]

Kynaston is pronounced Kin-a-ston.

[@Daysofhorror-vickie]

Thanks 👍

[@annkynaston3605]

Sorry should have been a u not an o "Kin-a-stun".

[@patrickdempsey9886]

Love ❤️ your story guys but there was also a stick used was it one of those expensive metal top hard wood sticks maybe the one you pull a sword from that only used by the rich Was it one of his family the first suspects in any crime he trusted no one I hope not but I don't think he was killed straight away killers do take trophies 🏆 and leave messages was the comic page reference to his slowness reference of him as a foolish maybe his talk was childish his mothers reference of him as delicate child would more than likely say he could have had TB typhoid that left him prone to sickness killers have the habit of catch me if you can narcissistic nature they are there was that kind of game going on someone befriended these victims they can spot a person with low self worth and a child that lost in life and work on it the two boys had no fathers around a father figure came on the scene a trusted person which was big at that time a policeman a church man doctor teacher people they been told to obey the comic in the mouth would be key and what that person ment to the killer the killer knew the boys he knew the area red scarf colour means sacrifice he knew the meaning of what he put in the mouth

[@jonboypatton]

Oh I can coment now 😅

[@DaysofHorror]

Was it not working during the premier, Jon? Last week we had issues.

[@jonboypatton]

@DaysofHorror I couldn't comment on any live. Not just yours. It's something my end.