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[@rustybuckets]

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[@MDHDH-iy7nm]

I cant stand when people try to say Basketball is getting worse... As if any skill ever has degraded over time with more technology and information and more accessibility than ever. 90s defenders were well practiced and social distancing. When you watch older games theres so much less defensive nuance. Illegal defense, players just JUMPING at the ball at the rim with no regard for technique, just having to beat your man 1 on 1 without worrying about zone or any kind of ranged attack since shooters werent as good or valued at the time. It drives me NUTS when old heads try to talk about old basketball like it was the best thing since sliced bread

[@MDHDH-iy7nm]

just because its more physical, doesnt mean at all that its more complex or difficult to play defense in the old days... dunno why people think otherwise

[@buymeinandoutyt9693]

Hand checking was illegal since 1979 or around the time just that ths rule was redefined and reimplaminted

[@tannerplummer1996]

If the 90's NBA wasn't weaker then how do you explain this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmaaiJ2YgLiigJI

[@cameronjohnson9361]

I’m in my 30s but I follow you because bulls

[@bbonmywaistv2]

When he said "are we going to hold lebron accountable for playing twitch streamers and soundcloud rappers 30 years from now" I literally almost died🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@legendarywiimaster]

Kids in the 2050s going to say something like “LeBron lost the MVP to a guy who can barely dunk” or “LeBron lost to KD who can’t even bench 200.”

[@MiddleClassNaPobre]

“twitch streamer and sound cloud rapper” got me 😂😂😂

[@KiddsWorldEntertainment]

Lmaooo that joke was definitely 10/10

[@lildaniel35247]

Bruhh right? I never thought about that but it’s lowkey accurate😂

[@user-ou5pm6gn9j]

I never knew Anthony Fantano was so knowledgeable about basketball

[@kevinmorgan9944]

lmaooo

[@rustybuckets]

bro...

[@user-ou5pm6gn9j]

@@rustybuckets sorry, I had to

[@tobinmoffatt3075]

Anthony SLAMtano

[@dbboy8760]

Hey guys rusthany bantano here

[@afrobebryant6266]

It amazes me how many analysts often criticize star players shooting a lot of 3 pointers instead of penetrating or posting up, when in reality zone basically forces you to. People meme on Harden today when in reality he’s the prototype of a player you want in this era.

[@bcuno]

Isoing into 3s is harder than isoing into pull ups, finishes. Idek why people knock on him. Dude is unguardable

[@LowValueMan]

Most analysts are fucking stupid there’s statisticians & mathematicians that have looked into this. Mathematically it makes way more sense to shoot more 3s than 2s. Shooting 40% from the mid range is equal to shooting 26.67% from beyond the arc. Ugh do analysts even know how to google bruh.

[@umarb7325]

these people are casuals masquerading as purists

[@dannyllerenatv8635]

Truth be told, a lot of teams do not really play zone either. Throwing a double team or a switch isn't exactly a zone and teams more often than not sway away from it because it leaves too many open lanes to the basket or wide open 3s. In an offensive scheme that promotes ball movement, momentum and pace, it makes more sense to shoot 3's which is a momentum shot.

[@afrobebryant6266]

DannyLlerenaTV when I’m talking about zone I’m not referring to zone sets. Once you beat a zone set then it’s pretty easy to score. I’m talking about a hybrid man to man with free zone defense (which a lot of teams do in the NBA).

[@Blairskirock]

Wait, we're 30ish? I assumed everyone here was college aged Or you know, younger than 30. Impressive.

[@rustybuckets]

20-25 is almost as big of my demo as 30-35, but younger people tend to comment more

[@ianforester45]

@@rustybuckets Nah its people making accounts over the age of 18 to watch age restricted videos

[@meep7895]

@@ianforester45 yeah, i made this account when i was like 11 or something so this account is a couple years older than it should be

[@Mckylan]

Rusty Buckets I’m 19

[@lihua3941]

Rusty Buckets i just put a random age in, so a lot of ppl might have dome the same😂

[@JohnMezzo]

If someone thinks modern officiating is too biased in favor of the offence, that's fine, but hearing people reminisce about the days of throwing punches and elbows, as "real basketball/defense" is annoying.

[@goldensperm7182]

The most annoying is "Lebron, Curry, Harden wouldn't survive the era back then, or they would've just been an average player" claim. Just plain bullshit.

[@umarb7325]

those people think watching dudes hurt each other on tv makes them tough. Calling people soft over the internet like theyre warriors for watching 90s basketball

[@agentfriday1970]

That’s because you’re looking at it wrong. Y’all young people are so damn sensitive. When I was young and not very experienced like ALL of you, I probably to some degree took older folks knocking something from my generation as a slight. I only know now after getting some years under my belt that those older folks were telling a lot of truth. Without defense and just giving these players free range to move about on offense with the only real resistance and stoppage comes from a refs whistle to put that player on the line for grazing shoulders(if even that) makes for a poor product. Sorry. It’s like when you used to think wrestling was real only to see guys swinging fake slap exchanges and reacting like they’ve just been smashed with a war hammer. The refs new control on the game has thst effect on the game. Your era(and Lebron’s)is the era of FLOPPING! That time will forever be a black eye on the face of the league. Yet, it was only the players of today reacting to the ridiculous rule changes the league made. It continues. It used to be where at least if there was a foul you didn’t quite see, you could always watch the replay and see the contact. It helped you believe that the game was being officiated properly. Nowadays, MOST of the calls are not fouls and seeing the evidence of the non contact that just sent Lebron to the line makes anyone with intelligence question, “Why am I watching pro wrestling style basketball?” The corporation that is the league is a business. Any business will try to exert as much control over their product as possible. Right down to having refs control and adjust foul calling(since it’s not based on anything but subjectivity now with no proof or consequence)to keep games close in hopes of manufacturing drama. The league is scared to death that another Michael Jordan didn’t just pop up out of the Rucker, AAU or the Drew league. I’m telling you as someone who watched the 90s and so on that the organic competitiveness was palpable and will probably never be duplicated when the rules of today hinder the growth and potential extra gear most players will never see because the NBA has made it so easy on the offensive end that even if you miss, the refs will send you to the line. You call it romanticizing I’d you want. We trying to give you some context of where today’s game has gone so wrong and is wasting a lot of young talent by turning them into entitled stars who’ll be looking for the bailout in the clutch. Pressure bust pipes but pressure also makes diamonds. No pressure makes for a monotonous league of position less b-ball where players only want to jack up 3s or drive down an open highway lane with no resistance. Please bring back defense. It’s half of the game and one of the reasons Lebron is barely half the player Michael Jordan was.

[@alohatigers1199]

Agent Friday Getting and-1 by a soft touch, I agree with you. But I don’t agree with you with anything else.

[@blackreign351]

Agent Friday dude, this isn’t Lebron era lol. Lebron is on his way out. Also you seem to forget that they were still playing defense in the 2000s. Not anywhere close to 80s:90s but it was still defensive (low scoring games, inside out games, iso ball etc ) shit changed after the Malice in the Palace. But regardless you throw shots at Lebron for this lol. Act like this dude didn’t make all defensive teams. There’s a reason why he was able to guard 1-5 in his prime(he obviously didn’t guard all the best players in their own positions all the time, but the fact that he could is what matters)

[@alphabah6094]

I hate the fact that people talk about”when they played real basketball” or “when they players defense” even though the pace was high in the 80s then devolved through the 90s and early 2000s then 3s became emphasizes as well as rules such as the offensive rebound 14 sec clock to increase possessions made scores a little inflated

[@ThrowbackHighlightss]

Exactly 😂

[@muhammadkazmi8982]

The 2000s was the slowest paced decade

[@TheTariqibnziyad]

Well defense was real in the 90s and 2000s, no 3 second rule, hand checking and in the 2000 the zone, while they had no 3 point spacing.

[@shepardice3775]

@@TheTariqibnziyad Roughing someone up is not "real defense" and I'm tired of hearing it. If you have to cheat by grabbing the offensive player or camping in the paint to stop drives you are not playing "real defense". IMO good defense today is as real as it gets. You have to be smart, you have to be quick on your feet and you have to be able to close gaps and defend as a whole team better than you ever had to before. You have to just keep your man in front of you and not let them beat you or get enough space for a shot without any funny business. That's as "no bullshit" as defense gets.

[@Mckylan]

Ibnziyad Tariq the game evolved and spacing is way better. Players are far better shooters.

[@tobinmoffatt3075]

All The Smoke is to the 0s what the TNT guys are to the 90s

[@scotty776]

@Keyan Dehghan A podcast.

[@bustanutt3848]

Keyan Dehghan podcast hosted by matt barnes and stephen jackson. it’s really good

[@tobinmoffatt3075]

@@bustanutt3848 Yeah, without walking back my comment, it *is* really good/ recommended.👍

[@robertofranciscor.beltran5588]

Gen Z Bronsexual hating.

[@beanteam2217]

Stephen Jackson thinks he’s a 90s player😂

[@BaithNa]

I'm 31, have been watching the NBA since the 90's and there is no doubt in my mind that today's players are definitely more athletic and skilled

[@__brianturnerbodybuildingt9988]

More athletic I wouldn't say more skilled Ben Simmons can't even shoot a jump shot lol

[@mrsqueak6787]

__brianturnerbodybuiling Turner I’d say Simmons is the exception. The average player nowadays is probably more skilled in certain aspects of the game but that’s largely due to modern technology and the 3-point evolution. Nowadays, because of spacing, almost everyone’s gotta be able to shoot - you can’t just make the league because you’re seven foot and can rebound.

[@michaeldesanta7746]

@@__brianturnerbodybuildingt9988 He is a 6 foot 10 point guard, he has superb handles and passing skill for a guard his size. Yes, jumpshot is his biggest problem but please don't act like everyone had a jumper back then.

[@jonjuko8859]

__brianturnerbodybuiling Turner Simmons is more skilled than most 90’s players it’s only shooting that he struggles with

[@Proatcod10]

Nah most players today can’t do as much . Bigs today don’t know a single post move and up until recently they couldn’t shoot either . Most players just shoot threes that’s all they can do . Klay Thompson a Star can’t do any but shoot key word offensively.

[@VictorFPoB]

Also handchecking was actually removed in 1994 already, at least in part. Players were no longer allowed to handcheck from the opponents baseline up to their own FT line, meaning no handchecking on the perimeter or drives, only on deep post ups. Then it was completely removed in 2004.

[@rustybuckets]

yes I'm aware, but didnt feel that detail was all that relevant

[@michaeldesanta7746]

I am a little confused, so are you not allowed to handcheck in the post? How do you guard big men then? They can push you all day and you can't push back even a little?

[@jonjuko8859]

Michael De Santa you can body up as much as you like, handchecking is maintaining contact with your hand on an offensive players hip

[@215thetruth]

The handcheck was actually removed in 1979 and the handcheck rule was amended because players were controlling players hips

[@lamontjamison9848]

@@rustybuckets it is tho bc handchecking gets used all the time to say it was tougher back then to score even tho people handcheck now 🤣🤣🤣

[@PastorTFowler]

I cant wait for rustys evil twin brother dusty buckets

[@RedMan-vf3ck]

Still no match for crusty buckets.

[@GameChanger-xi4iy]

What about his sister busty buckets?

[@fatiryamin3927]

@@GameChanger-xi4iy bro chill 💀😂😂

[@christiansnell8475]

@@GameChanger-xi4iy bruh

[@connorkimball3064]

Im calling it by 2050 injury prone players will be able to replace whole muscles and tendons through lab grown muscles and surgery. There also might be neural link type technologies in basketball. Or maybe they wont allow it.

[@Terror832]

2050s players will be cyborgs that can jump from half court and run at 40 mph.

[@danielajayi894]

It’s actually coming in 2021. They decided if u survive 2020 they’ll give us that and everything in area 51

[@connorkimball3064]

nabil chowdhury im not saying they’re gonna be more athletic im saying they’re gonna “cure” injury prone players.

[@CLos93.]

I think things will be the same just more knowledge about our bodies and how to recover quicker...like look back 30 years not much has changed when it comes to sports...I mean a lot had changed but nothing like robots and shit lol

[@lucidity910]

Hand checking has been illegal since the 70s, and I remember it being called in the 90s

[@djteq9]

That part idk where this notion came from you could handcheck in the 90s. They be handchecking now

[@jimmysimon4400]

Players still handcheck in the modern era. It doesn't get call against the defensive players all the time.

[@drechillin2154]

Not really it’s rare

[@docmemphis2760]

The 90s is the era of fouling and calling it defense and toughness. They significantly had less number of possessions and still has more free throw attempts than today.

[@michaelmeng8446]

Always looking forward to your daily uploads! Appreciate the content, Rusty!

[@charlierichardson3169]

Slapped a like around the 3:54 second mark. Lmao

[@smrtfasizmu6161]

Drazen Petrović was shooting 45% 3PT in the 1990s. He didn't take a lot of threes because he was probably told not to (In the Olympics when he was playing for Yugoslavia in the 1980s he was taking 6 three point shots per game).

[@davelouie131]

Many players was not good shooters. Hence why the 3pt line was shortened from 95-97, Craig Hodges was a excellent shooter too but many in the 90s were not.

[@aldogarciamoreno5490]

One thing that isn't mentioned a lot todays is the defensive scheming that goes on right now. That's one of my favorite things that the league does more now, like getting weird with tactics and lineups that really wasn't that viable back then

[@newrecruit100]

I try tell people that spacing and shooting are why the scoring is so high. It has very little to do these rules. Offensive evolution has made those rules ineffective. Pick and rolls, spacing, shooting, ball movement, ball handing, pace mean handchecking isn’t effective. Also if handchecking was so effective then why on earth does the scoring in the 80s mirror the scoring today?

[@DeaDAss-gi6vp]

hand checkering didnt work on ppl w handle lol, jordan came into the nba doing playground dribbles and zooming around handchecking, they just had to start fouling him to try and scare him

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

And thats why people laugh at you

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

Scoring in the 80s wasnt done with 3 point chucking you m\oron

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

@@DeaDAss-gi6vp sounds like you didnt watch. Simpleton

[@Keepit100Dre]

The early 2000s has by far the best defense and it’s not close.

[@dewanewelch1744]

This I agree with

[@afrobebryant6266]

Mid 2000s

[@Terror832]

I mean early 2000s was really an extension of the late 90s. Lots of iso play, very poor spacing, lots of unskilled bigs, underdeveloped high school players, some very weak draft classes and everybody wanted to “be like Mike” and not be themselves.

[@leonardomalvestio8885]

thelegendsqb1 Kwame in practice must have been like Ayo mike look at this pull up

[@craigwilks2202]

Those pacers teams with Artest and of course the pistons teams who won in 04" played some the best defense I've ever seen

[@Heart_ken01]

Imagine Kawhi, Giannis, and Prime LeBron *without* hand checking... Lord have mercy

[@Playboyy1985]

This comment for has me confused. There is no hand checking NOW

[@Terror832]

A better question would be what if Giannis and LeBron in particular can play in the illegal defense era? They could simply ask for clearouts and they would easily blow past their defender with ease. No handchecking ain’t gonna stop that.

[@h4rshturtle456]

@@Terror832 and they vould hand heck or jsut stand on a dude that can t shoot and double team

[@winter9242]

@@Terror832 most players that dominate today would dominate more in the 90s like giannis lebron and kd lebron and giannis will bully anyone and kd well 1v1 match up against him would be really difficult

[@weneedhim526]

@@winter9242 thats debatable

[@mikeunlimited20]

Best video in while imo

[@WilliamSmith-mz9qz]

I’m 51 years old and I get so tired of my contemporaries complaining about how soft players today are. It’s like they don’t realize if a player played like the players of the 80’s and 90’s he would foul out every game.

[@OK-yy6qz]

People also don't realise how skilled players today are In the 90s if someone made 2 straight 3s everyone was Going Crazy and now you have people making 5 or 6 in a row Not to mention you only took a 3 a Couple feet behind the line if time was Running out Now people making Logo shots

[@im_waffles2920]

Well boys we found a rare one. One that recognizes that the game of basketball evolves.

[@hayesc0]

@@OK-yy6qz it is not that players couldn't make that amount of threes from that era it's just that any 3 pointer that wasn't wide open was consider a bad shot. The objective was to get as close of a shot as possible. Analytics changed that once it was understood you only need to make 35% of three pointers to equal 50% of two pointers that is why players started taking more threes.

[@OK-yy6qz]

@@hayesc0 i think that's only part of it i think another part is players are legitimately better shooters (of course that's because they worked on their skills more because it was now viewed as a better shot) Also i think overall the Skill Level for non-stars is considerably higher

[@Oppenheimer1967]

@@im_waffles2920 6’5 PJ Tucker guarding Shaq lol

[@griffongaming4474]

There were two teams that pretty rapidly ascended as expansion teams in the 90's, plus two others that were towards the middle tier in terms of how good they were, Miami and Orlando ascended pretty quickly and even Charlotte and Minnesota were consistent playoff teams, the only two that really struggled during the 90's were Toronto and Vancouver, and that's partially because they were only in the league for half the decade, the other part for Vancouver in particular was at the time nobody wanted to play that, while that still woulf hold true today it would be a lot easier for a team in Vancouver to keep good talent, since players make more money and would be able to afford a home in warmer climent areas like Cali or Florida so they wouldn't have to live in Vancouver year round

[@charlierichardson3169]

God speed on your run to 100k! Been following since right before the 60k mark, good to see you growing!

[@k_lewis29]

The 90s isn’t as talented as now. But it was definitely not trash

[@dannyllerenatv8635]

With all the talk about the 90s and the modern era, the 80s has become underrated. There were so many explosive scorers in the 80s and they played at the pace that teams play in now. It was also an era that had a lot of great wing players.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

The '80s was stronger than most of the '90s. I was there for both.

[@imdbtruth]

Shout out to Alex English.

[@Boxinggenius1]

Defensive 3 seconds (2001) opened up the lanes as well.

[@showtimenick824]

Don't forget that there was also such thing as defensive 3 seconds until the 2001-02 season and also no restricted area until the 1997-98 season.

[@oldmanwaterfall]

Great video

[@jojodaberry9994]

Old intro music is back from last summer. Aye 👍🏿

[@showtimesportsmedia6906]

Rusty get on that shake idea. It could help so many of us, specifically me 😂

[@Yo-nb5im]

Oooo I really liked a lot this video and there points very interesting

[@mysupremecream2692]

You’re old videos style was goated

[@miquelcanosasanteularia1678]

the expansions team is a valid argument. The free teams of the expansions team it helped boosting the regular season success

[@tmac731]

It’s actually now. Every NBA season has sorry ass teams. The warriors went 15-50, the cavs went 19-46 this season. Every season in nba history has sorry teams expansion or not

[@Terror832]

2020 Warriors would go 82-0 in any season of the 90s. Ky Bowman would look like a god Jordan Poole is the real Jordan Eric Paschall is a grown man Draymond Green the donkey would play like a goat Marquese Chriss winning every single fight in the 90s

[@jdjwilliamsjw]

But it doesnt matter in the playoffs

[@welpyeet8307]

@@tmac731 cause GSW real starters are all injured if the players weren't injured they'll be a championship team

[@Mckylan]

Tyler McGee warriors starters were injured n cavs are the cavs. In the 90s the cavs were good n warriors were good from offnthe top of my head with Run TMC

[@harrygarris6921]

It was so much easier to play defense in the 90s. Most teams had essentially no spacing outside of 16 to 18 feet so defenses didn't have to guard the three point line. Also it's obviously much easier to stay in front of your man on the perimeter if you're allowed to stick your hand on his chest. Defenders now are better disciplined and more skilled by default just because they have to move around so much more and be quicker on their feet due to no hand checking.

[@karmic2277]

Has nothing to do with how difficult it is to score though. When people say defense in the 90s was better they mean it was more difficult for offenses to be effective, which is true

[@harrygarris6921]

@@karmic2277 I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. The 90s had no spacing, which made it much easier to play defense. Defenses were helped by the rules back then but it also had a lot to do with how inefficient offense was back then and how bad shooters were.

[@Oppenheimer1967]

@@harrygarris6921 Yea that’s true. Watch MJ or Shaq play in the 90’s. They iso the defense sends a double or someone shades and they take a shot over two people or pass it back out and repost

[@nixynox6359]

Hand checking is fouling but they never did away with it. You just can’t abuse it. The illegal defense is the biggest rule change and just the amount of man and ball movement, which forces more quick reaction and lateral movement from the defense

[@keepiticy]

3 rule changes that made defense irrelevant in modern basketball. 1. lack of offensive fouls. being able to swipe defenders' arms down, push off, make contact and "bounce off" defenders, grab a defenders wrist or shorts, hook around a defender with your elbow..... 2. Carrying. Mj used to do this and players have noticed and do it now. If you squeeze the basketball with your fingertips while you dribble you can keep it in the air for a little longer.(kinda like palming the ball for a second every time you dribble) If you keep your hand on the side of the ball but keep your pinky slightly underneath then you can keep the ball in the air slightly longer. Combine these two moves and you have maximum control of the ball. pushing the ball with your palm allows you to "carry" the ball over your body when you cross over (I.E Tony Parker) Players do these moves all the time, most noticeably the shot fake move.........HOWEVER, I've noticed players are now completely putting their hand underneath the basketball. 3. Traveling. OFCOURSE i had to add this one, The gather step is complete bull shit. The term is too loose to actually be refereed. WIth all that said, I enjoy most of these changes. Exploiting the rules was half the reason i even played D1 basketball. It allows for more exciting play and more evolution.

[@m9_trece257]

Make this a series with players or teams

[@camerondavidson2026]

DameDolla he’s been doing it with pkayers

[@m9_trece257]

O

[@m9_trece257]

It’s just that I started watching him since late December

[@jackpeyton1894]

nobody has said anything about how nobody had to cover the pick and roll with any difficulty in the 90s. it was barely ran, and you could just go under every screen and drop, now you have to go over or switch every screen, and if you drop on it then you’ll get burnt by pull up jumpers

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

Sounds like a lie

[@kevjad6536]

totally make sense. i this this also play a factor on why the 2000s percentage also went down. the choice to prioritize long 2s, and zone defense while shooting and spacing haven't adjusted yet

[@adrianadavis5514]

Well shit sorry that they're not allowed to clothesline people and rip their arms off anymore 😂

[@jacobfarley247]

Right old heads are so dumb

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@jacobfarley247 I'm one of those old heads (almost 49) & I agree with the OP. The quality of play in the '80s & early '90s was, btw, considerably higher than the quality of play in the late '90s & early '00s. Expansion played a big part in this--when MJ came into the League, for instance, there were just 23 teams. The rules for trading players were also a lot looser & made it easier for top teams to horde talent. There was also an unusually high number of God-tier draft classes in the late '70s & early mid-80s. Not so much after that. Jordan's first three-peat was, IMO, MUCH more impressive than his second one. It wasn't until the early late '90s/early '00s when elite international players really became a thing that the league's overall talent level really started to return to the '80s/early '90s level. Late '90s hoops was just ugly.

[@andrewsucksatvideos4482]

Yeah guys I’m sorry there not allowed to literallt fucking murder someone in the court.

[@SirCharles824]

​@@grahamstrouse1165 finally someone who've seen NBA evolution through the years. and im replying to a 2 year old comment. 😂 40 year old here.

[@theshawshankinception1220]

“Everyone can shoot” Ben Simmons still can’t shoot.

[@rustybuckets]

had him in the back of my mind saying that lol

[@blackmarlin3166]

Those expansion teams helped the bulls win 72 games and the awful sonics win 64 games.

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

Ugh no they didnt n/itwit

[@angelcervantes6316]

You should make a video about ranking each era and which is the best and why

[@LegitDalton]

How many lights do you have shining on you? I just noticed the different shadows.

[@vastyandrews2631]

To the thumbnail, Weren't the 90s defense allowed to be more physical? Meaning players were allowed to me more disruptive?

[@oluwaseyijohnson3162]

Nowadays players are more switchable and adaptable tho. Its 2 different types of defenses

[@nathangamerz3534]

Actually, yes, especially that the rules still allow some hand checking at the time. However, illegal defense were still, well, illegal. So I guess them being more disruptive comes to one's own opinion.

[@Playboyy1985]

They could get away with anything. Plus it was a half court offense league (much fewer possessions) and today’s coaches prefer putting good offensive players in and don’t care if they can’t play defense anymore. All that leads to inflated numbers

[@jonjuko8859]

It’s going to look more physical if the game is played at a snails pace and the skill level of the players is low

[@weneedhim526]

@@nathangamerz3534 no it doesn't allow hand checking, maybe you can tap them once or follow them a little with hands on them, but you will indeed get called for it

[@spacerace1448]

Bruh the defense was NOT better. Yes they were more physically, but there was no zone (which makes a huge difference because you can't stop lanes with 90s defense). Also they didn't even have to account for shooters. Old heads if you have a problem with this, come fight me 😂

[@GameChanger-xi4iy]

No this is pretty much true except paint defence was better in the 90’s

[@Terror832]

90s Bulls and 90s Knicks would not be holding today’s teams to under 100 points like they could in their era. Their defense would get stretched out like a rubber band. Likewise if you put today’s best defensive teams like the Lakers, Raptors, or Bucks back then and pit them against 90s teams they would look like a shutdown unit.

[@h4rshturtle456]

People who can t switch or are not rim protectors or massive offensive guns trae or booker are basicly not playable in the 4 quarter these days

[@jasonturner6459]

It was harder to get to the rim in the 90s... More good big men, more physical defense allowed and less spacing.

[@DeaDAss-gi6vp]

@@GameChanger-xi4iy it wasn't better you could just FOUL more, and it was super CLOGGED you know how badly them 90s bigs would get cooked if it was just THEM and the driver and nor 3 ppl condescend in an area

[@djteq9]

I feel like back then they relied more on the rules than actual skill. Being able to shoot, pass, move the ball and being versatile while also having good team defense, iq and game plans. More verticality. Better muscle memory.

[@johnlestersunaya-rpl1958]

because of the illegal defensive 3 seconds rule. in the 90s, Shaq would have been allowed to camp out in the lane and contest Lebron's shot if he were to make it past Payton, but in 2004 Gary didn't have that luxury if he messed up. In spite of all those defensive disadvantages, he still locked down a much bigger, faster, stronger, and taller Lebron with the game on the line. Remember that as we look at how the great 90s defense of the Knicks did in the 2000s. The 2000 washed up Knicks with a 37 year old Patrick Ewing as well as the 2001 Ewing-less Knicks shut down Vince Carter to 19 ppg on 30% and 23 ppg on 38% shooting for the 2000 and 2001 playoffs. Vince had averaged 26.0 ppg on 47% in the 99/00 regular season and 27.6 ppg on 46% in 00/01. Those two seasons were his highest scoring totals out of any season in his career, and two of his three most efficient FG% outputs in any season. Remember, this was after the massive anti-handcheck rule introduced in 99/00 and after the further no-contact rules added in 00/01. Vince still got shut down by 90s defenders even after the 90s rules were gone.

[@marcwilliams3692]

Its not just advancements in modern technology the culture of the game as a whole has grown. There are far more overseas players and players that started the game at 5 or second generation nba players than there were in the 90s so alot of players are gonna be more talented cuz there are more and more talented people interested in basketball

[@Akash043]

Comparing eras is tough. I think the 90s and the 10s were pretty equal, and competition was similar but just in different ways. Now guys use a lot of ball handling, shooting from 3, and a lot of skill Back then, the post game, mid range and in the paint players would use dominance, It’s tough for me but I think it’s pretty equal.

[@golja248]

This channel is great. Also Rusty sometimes it amazes me you know so much shit about the 70s 80s 90s I am the same age as you and I don't know half of the things you do about the early eras of NBA

[@rustybuckets]

all it takes is way to much free time and an unhealthy obsession with basketball lol

[@reallifeshenanigans8471]

Me too it is one of the main reasons I keep coming back here

[@v.a.productions_9829]

@@rustybuckets facts mate

[@golja248]

@@rustybuckets I guess my obsession with basketball came a little bit later than yours ;)

[@yeatdagoat173]

Do your research

[@ananmahir756]

You could say that defence was not better in terms of skill but it was harder to score in that era

[@travestyy7642]

It looked harder cuz players back then couldn’t score like they can now.

[@ZazaWachulia27]

That ain’t true either. It was no zone defense and a lack of double teams last era.

[@Oppenheimer1967]

@@ZazaWachulia27 The old illegal defense was replaced for the modern illegal defensive 3 and the semi circle was added in 97-98 which makes it harder for big men to contest at the rim without picking up a blocking or shooting foul. Back then if you were a star like MJ or Shaq, you weren’t surrounded By shooters which made double teams and help defense easier since your teammates weren’t a big threat to shoot

[@dizzydacure8226]

That's a lie. The 90s weren't that hard to score in. There are literally stats that debunks that myth. Defense was at its peak in the early to mid 2000s

[@Oppenheimer1967]

@@dizzydacure8226 Ppg in Lebron’s era was slightly higher than MJ’s by 2 ppg

[@mtg829]

The NBA should really consider bringing back Tae Kwon Doe kicking someone in the head😂

[@Terror832]

I remember that one time Scottie Pippen stabbed Magic Johnson with a machete in the 1991 Finals. That’s how the Bulls ended up winning the final 4 games.

[@h4rshturtle456]

Just chainsaw a hand of the best offensive player easy

[@meep7895]

@@Terror832 wait what

[@tnk4me4]

By 2050 you'll be able to download skills directly into your brain and "Remember" them like you're riding a bike. Also you'll be able to replace your muscles with nanomachines son.

[@illWillienumber31]

Saying shaq was not a good defender outside of his 1st 2 years is just wrong.

[@HugoSoup57]

Rusty says a lot of dumb and objectively wrong takes, he’s not that great at thinking logically and making sound arguments.

[@ammarqureshi3084]

early gang shoutout to twitter 🤞🏽

[@mista_mask3163]

Every time LeBron drops 40 pts some oldhead goes “he wouldnt be doing that in the 90s, Bill Lambeer would swat him in the paint”.... Right because a 6’9 260 pound black male with big ass shoulders whose game evolves every YEAR is not gonna adapt simply because Bill Lambeer slaps a couple of guys.😐

[@rafikz77]

Old heads, Jordan stans, heck even young Jordan fans, they always bring up dumb narratives instead of using logic

[@jackpeyton1894]

lmao

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

Is that why Lebron flops on players smaller than him?

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

And wasnt Lebron tackled by Kirk Hinrich?

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

And thats the same Laimbeer who fought Charles Barkley. Silly kid

[@Keepit100Dre]

The flagrant foul was introduced in the 90s. The bulls didn’t win until after it was introduced. The flagrant 2 is what got players ejected

[@Youngster543210]

Yeah you got it buddy. The Bulls were somehow the only team in the NBA that managed to benefit from rule changes that applied to every team in the NBA 👌

[@Keepit100Dre]

@@Youngster543210 screenshot where I said that

[@Youngster543210]

@@Keepit100Dre So what was your point then lol? Why would it matter if the Bulls didn't win until after the flagrant if you aren't trying to suggest the rule somehow helped them win?

[@Keepit100Dre]

@@Youngster543210 it absolutely helped them win. The would not have been able to beat the pistons without the rule change. The rule change benefitted offenses in general but it helped the bulls win. Denying it is pretty silly. Stop with the strawmans and false dichotomies.

[@Youngster543210]

@@Keepit100Dre Proof? How did it only help the Bulls but not everyone else? Everybody was subjected to the same rules lol. If the Pistons weren't allowed to be as physical neither were the Bulls. The Bulls were likely going to beat the Pistons in 1991 no matter what rule changes were introduced. They pushed them 7 games in 1990 with Scottie Pippen sick as a dog in game 7. The 91-93 Bulls were very likely better than the Pistons ever were, the Bull just peaked at a different time than the Pistons did. The Pistons had the same roster from 85-88 and didn't win a damn thing, they like the Bulls had their own growing pains. You can't just make shit up and then say I'm denying it when you've yet to prove the shit you claim I'm denying tf.

[@dazbry7612]

Nice videos, I had a discussion/argument about hand checking, in today's NBA, I think the game is smoother without it

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

Nothing smooth about no defense played

[@martycoleman3801]

this should be a series for every single decade of the NBA

[@macdeleon3717]

when you said shaq didnt play defense, i got really confused, because yeah by after probably the threepeat he wasnt a great defender, but in his mvp season he averaged 3 blocks a game, which i know isnt all there is to defense, but he was still a solid defensive presence

[@rustybuckets]

Shaq could protect the paint, but that was it. In his early Orlando days he was a great defender, but other than being big he didnt have much of an impact on defense

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@rustybuckets He was a very, very good defense when he was younger but he got REALLY fat with the Lakers.

[@darealreggie6226]

Bro did you loose weight looks good💯

[@josepenuelas4440]

Aliens and robots taking over, now thats an original idea

[@suckmehoff5108]

Jersey collection reveal and q&a for 100k?

[@rustybuckets]

I have like 4 jerseys lol

[@suckmehoff5108]

Rusty Buckets well u got time to get that collection up before u hit 100k

[@im_waffles2920]

Rusty Buckets well then 4 jersey jersey reveal. I dunno, maybe lump it in with a Q&A.

[@vastyandrews2631]

11:23 woah barkley, shaq, kemp.... I have not watched enough full basketball games to know these guys weren't defenders. Crazy i always thought they played d, but i also have only seen highlights since i never watch full games

[@rustybuckets]

Kemp and Shaq werent bad, but also not good. Young shaq was great, but as he got bigger his effort went down. Barkley was not a defensive player at all.

[@robertolebron2296]

Rusty Buckets I mean he was 6’ 6” against big Power Forwards like Karl Malone, Charles Oakley, Shawn Kemp, and AC Green

[@akeme25]

Shaq got bigger to focus more on his strength and in the process sacrificed much of his defensive ability. Charles Barkley, as aggressive as he played, was never known as a great defensive player. He's even openly said "They don't pay me to play defense."

[@TruthTeller10444]

You know that today NBA they don't play defense more offensive then anything compared to what I grew up watching. I'm 88 baby so if you was borned after 92 you didn't experience the 90s like I did. It's ok your era just soft and less competitive. It's ok they soft other then Giannis and Westbrook they don't want to be your friend. They want to ripped your heart out. How the NBA was from the 60s to the 09

[@user-ou5pm6gn9j]

Can you make a video on the NBA in the 2000s?

[@tobinmoffatt3075]

That's what every episode of All The Smoke is

[@ericzamudio2905]

I have the 96 bulls championship hat with the tags still lol

[@condog209]

I've said this point for years The scoring of teams like the 86-87 lakers or 69 win ( wilts first year) That only scored less than 100 once

[@Heart_ken01]

4:13 The irony is with Ben Simmons, Damian Lillard, and Devin Booker in the league rn, LeBron is technically going against streamers and SoundCloud rappers P.S. if that's what you meant already my b

[@Heart_ken01]

Tanner Hecht Honestly

[@KingEDZKY]

Can you do a video about the NBA having superteams pretty much in any era? It's so annoying that some people think that superteams only exist in today's NBA.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Truth!

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

@@grahamstrouse1165 not

[@jonjuko8859]

Great video only point I’d make it how many more people in the world play basketball now, even with the 30 teams this is probably the most talent rich era we’ve had

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

Dont

[@kenmoorer4678]

Also the Charlotte Hornets and Miami Heat were also making the playoffs in the 90s.

[@legendarywiimaster]

That’s when the Hornets and Heat were actually good

[@nocap9382]

I'm on the same side of this as you, but maybe we should say that if we're going to say that players today are just as good defensively as players were then, but rules today don't allow such levels of defense, then we should assign lack of shooting back then to players just not being needed as much to shoot. Many players then would for sure replicate today's shooting if that's what was required. And I'm not saying that everyone would shoot like Steph or Klay, of course not, but what I sam saying is that it would even out when you took everyone into account. Or at least it would be a lot closer.

[@aaronhall4039]

See I like your comment but the problem is he’s saying that’s today’s players have the skills to play defense they aren’t aloud too but players back then didn’t have the skills to shoot like today. Basically your adding skills to players vs skilled players not being able to use the skill

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

Haha in your dreams kid

[@nonamewillbegiven6847]

Yes Bird, Miller, Abdul-Rauf would shoot just like those two you i/diot. They already were

[@Oppenheimer1967]

@@aaronhall4039 A lot of guys could shoot back then but they just didn’t have the green light. Kerr was a 45% 3pt shooter and the most he ever took in a season was 2.9

[@jump25ontoast]

Pretty insignificant, but just thought I’d mention that most people’s age on youtube is completely wrong cos you have to be over 18 to sign up. I’ve had my account since I was like 9 and I’m now 21 so it be saying I’m 30

[@ptownsmash]

i like all your videos when i start to watch them, then decide to change it at the end lol jk

[@samwescoat5750]

You sounded drunk as all hell in that last clip😂

[@mcardy250]

I dont know man, watching Bill Simmons’s podcast And listening to him talk about the jazz 97, 98 teams for example, that team had basically one and a half scoring option, only Malone coukd really provide scoring, and I can’t see a team being dominant as that team was with those pieces today. Many good teams of the 90s are like that, they have 1, 2 or at the maax 3 good guys and the rest are a bunch of regular/bad role players

[@harrygarris6921]

There was a talent gap because the league expanded quickly but there really weren't enough NBA quality players to fill 29 rosters for a long time. It took really until the 2010's until the pool of available basketball talent worldwide grew enough to really fill out that many teams. Up until the past 5 years we still had some stiff white centers or raw athletes with really no basketball skill to speak of still in the NBA.

[@Terror832]

Do you have a link for that Bill Simmons podcast? I wanna hear his perspective on that.

[@Mrdonjuliothewicked]

I like every Rusty video whether I agree or disagree hbu?

[@jamesdjl4359]

Same.

[@DAS63]

Sheep

[@osamabinhavin2501]

Hell no

[@kingraj3433]

I would like to hear more of your predictions for 2050

[@ComaAlpha]

10:11 THANK YOU!!!!!!

[@davidmartinez52420]

The goal with the hard fouls in the lane(the "No Easy Layup rule") was to make people think twice about driving to the basket and essentially force more low percentage shots.

[@harrygarris6921]

It was really only the 90s Knicks and the late 80s, early 90s Pistons who did that. A few other eastern conference teams became a bit more physical in the playoffs too... But the idea that every single team in the NBA in the 90s was super physical is a complete lie. Try watching literally any western conference matchup from the 90s. There's honestly less physicality in those games than there is today.

[@davidmartinez52420]

@@harrygarris6921 That's another good point. It really was only a few teams doing this, and the Western Conference was more about finesse. The mid-90s Heat had some physical matchups in the playoffs against the Knicks, but I don't remember if they were a physical team overall.

[@edoziealigwekwe1253]

I definitely think that playing defense is harder now but the 90’s did have the greatest defensive player at the point guard, shooting guard and center positions

[@h4rshturtle456]

I agree with that but look at the end of the hand check rule like dwight or bruce bowen are the dudes that come to my mind in a second

[@housesuns-kings8480]

myths are high in the 90s

[@bohanxu6125]

You should also have shown the average score from {with hand check and without zoom} to {without hand check and with zoom}. I remember the scoring became much less (before people figure out the value of spacing). With zoom make offense much harder(hand checking is a smaller factor). 2005ish spurs and piston is the pinicle of this difficulty of offense. 90s offensive players actually had it easy compared to early 2000s. Of course, things changed when spacing began to be valued.

[@Xavier-tl1cv]

Everyone here is 30? I’m 14😂

[@clubberlang2615]

There were actually 6 expansion teams.... Miami and Charlotte came into the league 1988. Jordan's play in the 90's absolutely got more eyeballs watching the NBA and wanting to play basketball. The talent pool today is significantly greater now than back in the 90's, primarily because of Jordan. Not only is the American talent greater, but international presence is also greater now.

[@elitheeconomist5674]

RUSTANOY BUCKTANO with a 90’s review

[@Jasonwilliams21]

when i say defense was better and the flow of game was better in the 90s what i mean is you didnt see guys dribbling at the top of the key for 16 seconds using a million different size up dribbles then jacking up bad shots while also trying to draw a foul. harden im looking at you. i dont mind trying to take a charge i do mind excessive flopping where the guy stays on the ground for 5 minutes trying to bait the refs into a flagrant. see lance stevenston or even lebron when he ran into draymond then acted like he got shot. i also think more of the elite players in the 90s also put forth effort of defense. the idea that as a best player you didnt have to put effort on defense cause you needed to save your energy on offense wasnt a thing. also i dont think when comparing the eras going to the points, rebounds, assist basketball reference does not give appropriate context to how good 90s players were and their focus wasnt assist or rebounds if they were a primary scorer. but overall great video see you tomorrow.

[@coreyrussell7155]

@Ghost2000 I kno exactly what he's talking about makes perfect sense might've been a Christmas game but I remember the flop

[@robustbottlecap]

90s is an expansion era, so MJ did play against easy competition

[@nonamewillbegiven9989]

Expansion team Orlando made the finals in 95. M/oron

[@johnlestersunaya-rpl1958]

1. "Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harassment of zone traps and double and triple-teaming" - New York Times, 1987 2. "They`ve used zone traps; they`ve put two, three and sometimes four defenders on him" - Chicago Tribune, 1987 3. ''My concerns are that more teams are going to the trap, 'which ultimately ends in a zone defense... I noticed that Chicago has adopted a half-court that L.A. has been using so successfully and it ended up in a zone defense" 'When you play New York, you have to prepare yourself because they have so many different traps.'' - Chuck Daly, 1988 4. The assumption that zone defenses are not played in the NBA is false. The rules allow for full-court zone pressure, andbecause defenses are permitted to aggressively double-team the ballanywhere on the floor, teams play de facto zones in the frontcourt,too. To one degree or another, every NBA team uses some type of zone. - Sports Illustrated, 1990 5. "Our teams are zoning now. Rule or no rule. We're not allowed to use the word `zone' but it's a zone.'' - Dick Motta, 1996 6. "They (Seattle Supersonics) play a zone defense. They shove you in a corner and they trap you at half-court and they run off and double-team while you're dribbling the ball. It's a legal zone but they have a heck of a good defense." - Phil Jackson, 1996 7. "I don't think Seattle is going to put Gary Payton on Michael Jordan. We like that matchup because he'll get in foul trouble. In a zone defense like Seattle plays, they're just going to send him some way where they can double-team him all the time." - Phil Jackson, 1996 8. Utah plays the best zone in basketball. They play a 2-1-2 with five guys with a foot in the paint 90 percent of the time." - George Karl, 1996 9. "A lot of good defensive teams are playing nothing more than a disguised zone. The Bulls, the Sonics, a couple of other teams do it." - Antoine Carr said the chief problem with the illegal-defense rule is that coaches know refs won't call it every time they see it. "I asked one of the referees in Seattle, `If there were 21 illegal defenses, would you call all 21?' " Carr said. "And he said he would, because if he didn't the league would be all over him. But it never happens. Now put yourself in the same situation as a coach. If you know the most they are going to call it is four times a game, wouldn't you start playing it after awhile?" - Desert News, 1996 10. "Zone was always in there. It just weren't called. It was always in there" - Wilt Chamberlain -

[@JesseInisanastrology]

MY DUDE

[@willemcenter8649]

The expansion teams 100% made the decade easier. It’s pure math.

[@showtimenick824]

At least Shaq did step up his defense when he came to LA. He made 3 All-Defensive Second teams and during his MVP season in 2000, he was second to Alonzo Mourning for Defensive Player of The Year.

[@DeaDAss-gi6vp]

cause he aint have to leave the paint , teams would be running shaq mad now a days he be dominate but the would abuse him in motion offense and foul his all all game. and flop that elbow of his all game

[@awayinmymind3970]

Moving your feet and positioning your body in front of your opponent is not elite defense Rusty, clotheslines and Judo throws are high skill defense.

[@ejbvides4625]

LMAO😂😂😂

[@Pallehz]

there are shakes you can take that turn you into the Rock... You just take a similar stack that he does 350 megs of test and 30 megs of Winstrol should do.

[@ComaAlpha]

5:20 tell that to the Detroit Bad Boys.