The Many Scams & Downfall of Machinima (2006 - 2019)

[@KelSoCoNNor]

Literally forgot Machinima was a thing till this popped up in my feed

[@Shushkin]

Me too 😆

[@Michael-en7rk]

Same

[@domcobb7325]

I’m glad I’m not the only one. 😂😂

[@BartBasquiato]

Forgot bout them then I remembered COD Chameleon checked his channel out then remembered machinima.. wish I would of recorded back in the day I was a beast in my COD days.. knife only nukes or 1v6s in S&D w knife or intervention. Man I miss those days, LA summer weather 3pm was out of school smoking blunts on the roofs then hitting the food truck then going home & destroying in MW2 simpler times.

[@KaiserDeclan]

Kelso Watsey same with me Like just imagine if in a few years people forgot about Disney

[@Neptunequeen42]

The machinima logo was in front of so many videos that I didn’t even know they were a company at the time. I just thought it was a genre of video. All this drama totally flew over my head at that age and it’s super interesting to see what was actually going on.

[@NathanielVillapando]

Same here.

[@NathanielVillapando]

I thought It's just a intro of people in YT.

[@Bluemansonic]

Same here, when I was a kid I thought a Machinima was a genre of video describing gaming culture

[@DoodleThis]

Same!

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

The logo being on videos outside their channel is how I discovered them personally, almost a whole decade ago. They're where I discovered many people I still watch today. Similarly that's how I found out about Rooster Teeth but I never really watched their stuff even when Machinama people went to them.

[@mcmcmorris]

The nostalgia of old KZbin will always have a place in my heart

[@verbalkint4258]

It was a simpler time. No corporate bs, no censorship, just good content.

[@maymay5600]

yep, good old days

[@sajjadbaig7299]

that yellow subscribe button really hits home

[@hehehahapoopoo3496]

It’s a close memory, but a distant one

[@Naz34452]

I remember that there was this one particular video on KZbin years ago which was basically horse porn with a voice over.

[@YonkoDGoofy]

It's absolutely crazy how this entire instance went over our head.

[@addictedtoRS]

We were kids and didn't care, instead of watching news about machinima we were watching 360 noscope montages on machinima

[@camronh14]

I definitely agree.

[@jude_the_apostle]

I think a lot of us knew Machinima were shitty but were just too young to care. The creators just dealt with it because it was their only way of making income and content creation as a job was still in its infancy.

[@KillConLeche]

Machinima so old we never even got to see their logo turn into a oversimplified vector

[@AbstractS04]

They already were, right?

[@alexandre007opa]

Yes we did, for that green shit one

[@AstralPhnx]

Sadly the green one exists

[@Ttegegg]

@@AstralPhnx rip to to all those videos. Was gonna watch noob adventure. Unfortunately it was part of machinma. Also the reupload videos are blocked

[@krusher181]

What’s with the sudden obsession with graphic design?

[@drivingsports]

They pursued us back in 2012. Their contract terms were ridiculous and we turned them down cold.

[@Catmeat106]

130k subs and this was 8 years ago? Yeah I doubt that

[@drivingsports]

appledong At that time we were one of the larger automotive channels on KZbin at around 30k subs with views that outperformed many other channels. KZbin was tiny by comparison back then. I did an interview with Reuters at the time if you really care you can look that up. By the end of 2012 we put our YT channel on the back-burner (instead, focusing on international syndication of our show, which actually did much better $$ there than on YT.) Only at the end of 2018 did we put focus back on the YT channel, which has been growing steadily since. Subs are important, but they aren’t relevant in terms of ultimate reach or revenue.

[@insinergy_DDD]

Driving Sports TV damn you showed him

[@nono_Hoi4]

thank god they died

[@genericusername4206]

appledong get noobed

[@AcidGlow]

I remember this. Stuck in a contract, low CPM, No help. Alot of promise but little actual support. Which leaves everyone fending for themselves. But thankfully, it was a learning process.

[@angelosantelices5310]

Dayemtheking _ people search for videos? You know there are youtubers with little subscribers but get a lot of views. You should be saying how youtubers with so much subscribers barely get any views.

[@Oi1Suzy]

@Dayemtheking _ It's the search/recommendation algorithm. If you watch a certain type of content (i.e. pointless and irrelevant news/retrospective about crap no one cares about with generic game footage background) it will recommend similar types of content. When you run the filter manually against this guy you get commentary channels like Optimus, ItsAGundam, EmpLemon. Low energy, clickbait videos that always sit around the 10min mark to game to algorithm.

[@manictiger]

No one learned anything. Entire state governments are like Machinima and so many of their cities are going to collapse, too. And it won't be as much of a "haha, I remember those hijinks" when it happens. It'll be more like, "remember that one time when the homicide rate went up to 50 million, because the globalists and CCP successfully turned Americans against each other".

[@aw2584]

^what?

[@sukulbembe4657]

@@aw2584 he has his 3rd eye open lol

[@pajorion]

Machinima had SUCH A HIGH potential to be a MASSIVE gaming corporation. But instead, they made it into a scam.

[@johnclement189]

Probably in a alternative universe, Machinima is probably bigger than Twitch and basically a backbone for the Gaming industry in our time.

[@supportmalphite8769]

Mashitima

[@hifuncautismboi2350]

@@supportmalphite8769 the auto translate says "mashitima" translates to "condemnation" how fitting

[@Runefrag]

Uh yeah no. There's no channel that is 100% dependent on other people's content that remains successful overtime. Especially not if that channel specializes in child exploitation.

[@AngelA-mk5ty]

Honestly glad they died hope their corporate leaders lost tons of money

[@DylanCEdh]

“What could possibly go wrong?” *Drama Alert music begins* Yep, sounds about right

[@commanderjason7786]

Yeah, as soon as I saw the Drama Alert title I knew who it was, and it sounded pretty accurate.

[@Wagzz786]

Tbh Keemstar fucks over most of the things or people he talks about.

[@MrHistory269]

@Waqas Ali kinda true tbh

[@brots3]

So accurate

[@naverilllang]

I fucking despise Keemstar, but man, he never failed to put himself in the middle of drama

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

I was legit wondering what had happened to them not that long again. Thank you for this

[@Radithor]

Who's red team

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Game of thrones guy.

[@ronnieturner6820]

No problem we thought it was timely thanks for watching!

[@L0wallyn]

I love your video, and even moreso the ones with Preston! Thanks for the fantastic content!

[@ronnieturner6820]

@@L0wallyn no problem, thank you for watching and appreciating!

[@Raining345]

Nice to see a small channel getting on the recommended page. This is awesome news and information that I didn't even know about Machinima back in the day.

[@markoconnell9717]

Yeah he's been growing pretty fast, I can tell you right now he puts time in the videos.

[@Raining345]

@@markoconnell9717 i can tell. They look really well thought out and professional. Definitely got my sub

[@SunnyV2]

APPRECIATE THAT, THANK YOU A LOT :)

[@kresi3283]

@@markoconnell9717 good thing he didnt sign a contract then lol

[@sbevexlr848]

@@SunnyV2 another jay law

[@blackhat1018]

2:45, it’s worth pointing out that Ubisoft didn’t actually do this. It was someone pretending to be them to get Phil’s channel taken down because Phil has always been such a hated figure. KZbin discovered the lie and reinstated his channel.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

and that is a thing that hasn't changed since then, only that it now takes 3 strikes

[@xxkillbotxx7553]

Sounds about like this channel to leave out crucial details.

[@razerow3391]

Yeah... He is a complicated man... But thats what happens... Being with Machinicunts changed me... And not in a good way. But Phil has always had a... Well dark side... I can't really say much cause I am bitter and angry... But I walked away knowing that I was projecting my anger and self hatred i felt for being so stupid to believe the hype and believe the lies they span.

[@xxkillbotxx7553]

@@mrravinraven When the mistakes are so often and never addressed, then it becomes a problem. I never understood how so many people can take a channel seriously who uses Facebook and Reddit comments as evidence for anything. Case in point the "Faking Tourettes" video. I like some of the content, but I don't expect much to change since so many people eat his shit up lol

[@dicedmeat7857]

@@mrravinraven i feel it is kind of worth to make sure that was true, especially when it comes to someone impersonating a big company and getting some guys video dropped

[@ClarkyWarky2]

It’s kinda crazy to think this is lowkey history, and we’re old heads. Kids nowadays will never even know what Machinima is.

[@skyolo4923]

Honestly, it would be the best for them if they never found out.

[@laspeedyboi3388]

The knowledge of being a kid is a curse yet a blessing i found KZbin so early back in 2013

[@wadribrab751]

@@laspeedyboi3388 yoooo same I'm actually 14 now

[@Gabsboy123]

Kids these days would never relate to the simplicity of the golden era of KZbin

[@JohnSmith-ts8xp]

Kids these days are now stuck with the likes of Jake Paul and other attention seeking, talentless rich kids. It honestly annoys me how much money can be made from having a shit haircut and a fan base with an average age of 8.

[@bakerXderek]

I had this whole experience in 2012 with Maker studios as well lol. This video totally brought back those memories.

[@blockmore1]

Yea

[@HellaSlow3.7]

Cheah👌🏻

[@xxxxSHADOWxxxxxX]

Damn you show up everywhere

[@Jacobowitness]

Cheyeeeeeaaahhh!!!!

[@spideyfan300]

Dude fuck Maker Studios, they're the reason YFM faced an early death/the reason why their album never released

[@spacedolphin6596]

Loving the RuneScape background music

[@Appreciation-Community]

Them synth trumpets do be tootin' N dootin'.

[@JAZPER]

Very nostalgic video

[@tareqtoyne2737]

sea shanty 2?

[@rogerdelicbo9696]

11$ 🦀

[@DZSherpa]

Sosolid2k one of runescapes biggest creators was on machinima

[@andresruiloba322]

Whoever does not miss Machinima has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.

[@squadcode71]

It's a nostalgia for us, but their actions deserved to be deplatformed

[@coolterra8491]

isn't that what putin said about the ussr?

[@joem.3124]

@@coolterra8491 i knew I'd heard a similar quote somewhere

[@professordrmao6321]

@@coolterra8491 that quote had existed for a long time. Idk if putin said it too. But in old commie circles they used to say a version that went like "he who was never an anarchist has no heart, but he who is not a communist has no brain" and then there's another that goes "he who was never a communist has no heart" etc etc. It goes on. Virtually anyone could tweak the quote. Too lazy to Google if putin said it tho. But I do know he didn't support the ussr dissolving, but he doesn't really seem like he misses it either

[@CouncilOfTheLostGoats]

Well said.

[@JeffMakesGames]

The only thing I remember Machinima for was Freeman's Mind, and luckily the guy behind it (Ross Scott/Accursed Farms) was able to get the rights of his videos back with the help of a lawyer and he was able to continue the series with nothing to do with Machinina anymore, and eventually finished it, and started Freeman's Mind 2. Kinda glad Machinima is no more. Maybe people can get the rights to their content back with them gone.

[@zcritten]

Funhaus got the inside gaming videos back after the end of machinima

[@goofygoob420]

I remember watching sonic for hire when I was 7 or 8 years old

[@itzjustkris7964]

I remember it from bioschock let’s play videos xD

[@JZStudiosonline]

Neebs Gaming lost Battlefield Friends and the Best Friends had to constantly periodically upload videos to Machinima as the only place to watch them.

[@SnowingApple135]

Freemans mind is from JsXanatos

[@CorderoIvan]

Darksidephil: Innocently uploads a single 240p gameplay Ubisoft: Im about to end this mans whole career

[@chromegnats]

It wasn’t them... was a troll larping as UBI

[@SunnyV2]

I now realise this was a mistake, however this comment made my day hahaha

[@SpicySkeleton]

DSP: "I did nothing wrong, I did everything correct"

[@tsundokus]

That roach will always find a way to survive ack ack ack

[@apa123APA]

Innocent? Uhh, wrong. It's for thi$$$. It's gross!

[@CenJohan]

I feel like Machinima is just a good allegory for KZbin as a whole. It started off as this benevolent thing to help people share videos, but eventually they got bogged down with being greedy and lost site of what made them good in the first place.

[@Bluemansonic]

Just like Disney, Bill Cosby, Michael Jackson, Bungie, StarWars, Dr Who, Robin Williams, America.......

[@DonDeDon445]

JTAC Bluemansonic Wait two of those people are dead.. So how are they relevant?

[@apachers2807]

@@DonDeDon445 How does being dead change their relevance?

[@mattbehindthewheel6901]

I don't understand how Machinima was greedy... most of the company was made up of small, moderate success, channels. Smaller success means larger percentages have to be taken to achieve the same result as a low percent on a highly successful channel. (Machinma needed to pay for the support network that It provided) And as for the lengths of the contracts, KZbin was (and still is mostly) an unstable and volatile platform in which entire genres and industries can be destroyed at any given moment. To have any sort of income security on KZbin, even to this day, is worth every penny that they gave up, however, because KZbin decided that they will monetize gaming videos many of these KZbin giants started to realise that they could simply ditch their income security and make more money, until they realised that they couldn't because they hastily signed contracts without taking them seriously...

[@MrBlaktoe]

You think KZbin started with benevolent intentions? lol. That's adorable!

[@asneakylawngnome5792]

I remember Oney being one of the first ones to speak up and make an animation about machinma. It’s what got me to look into them in the first place.

[@smally809]

Mashitima 😂😂😂😂

[@apocailypse3766]

Machinima had great potential to act as a negotiating power against the youtube gods. Too bad. Especially considering the situation we are in now.

[@voin5371]

Yeah but lets be real right, if someone did try to bring back the original ideals of Machinama (As in a middle ground and a automatic gaurentee for new youtubers to get their gaming stuff monetized) either KZbin would shut it down for whatever reason or people will be too scared to sign up as news outlets will probably twist the potential and bring up the old stories of Machinima.

[@Jupiter__001_]

It could almost have acted as something of a creators' union.

[@sharishth]

Twitch, can be a similar case we are talking about, but it isn't any better.

[@comradeviper4054]

@@Jupiter__001_ well it could have but they were still a business that needed to make money so...

[@ano_nym]

@Io The slingshot channel guy, Joerg Sprave, was trying to create something like that recently. Don't know if it went anywhere.

[@ViperCup]

In regards to the Darkside Phill thing, that was actually a troll pretending to be Ubisoft. A few days later Phil directly contacted Ubisoft and they had no idea what he was talking about. I believe that the video was then allowed to go ahead after he liased with youtube.

[@robertinogochev3682]

Then he jacked it on stream.

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

🤣🤣

[@UranousImpala]

@@robertinogochev3682 Wait, He's the guy?

[@Mickael_Mineo]

@@robertinogochev3682 "There was nothing I could"

[@vict0ree]

Yeah Sunny needs to do a little more research on DSP. Rule #1, NEVER make him out to be a victim like he did in this video.

[@Kagarin05]

Clicked to see what was up with machinima Stayed because of Runescape music

[@memes_gbc674]

open.spotify.com/album/75cteI9yLXTEZGJQhOvQJF soundtrack is on spotify and apple music

[@RathOX]

So glad i was able to leave, still have my Machinima Respawn hoodie we got for joining.

[@skygorex6]

Who doesnt love a bit of runescape music

[@ph0bia970]

I know right best soundtrack ever

[@aberhamlaguna415]

Idk about you but It helped me remember of ice posidon whe he was actually a good streamer

[@bigpapa4755]

Read this as it came on

[@tonycovey3333]

I was thinking the same thing

[@haverqlh7904]

Most authentic is that it sounds like he recorded his audio with an Xbox 360 mic

[@Mrcarpetmanager]

How did machinima monetise gaming content back when gaming wasn’t monetisable?

[@buildingwithtrees2258]

Lawyers. That's how it worked back then. They could afford top lawyers with a federation of creators. Every big channel did this.

[@joeymann2410]

In part lawyers and in part because their KZbin CMS account was in good standing and in those days, they weren't checked very often.

[@johnsmith2351]

@@joeymann2410 l

[@LeeEverett1]

The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

[@stillamitchinmybook6320]

Lee Everett lmao epic comment

[@supersonic20091]

Another factor that helped lead to Machinima's downfall that wasn't mentioned in this video was when they made the huge sponsorship deal with Levi's back in 2012. It ended up being their only sponsor for the whole year. Machinima started boasting about the creators they had under their umbrella, name dropping Pewdiepie in particular. Some people at Levi's then looked him up and were greeted by a video where Pewds was screaming about r*pe at the top of his lungs. Levi's got angry that Machinima wasn't clear about what kind of content they were associating themselves with and pulled out of the deal.

[@WhiteDarkness3113]

Guru Larry ?

[@switchthechannel6317]

Machinima ruined machinima by claiming that "lets' plays" were machinima.

[@yx5367]

Facts! Machine-Cinema that inspired many like Kootra, danznewz, and gassymexican is not let's plays or call of duty commentaries

[@robroux6074]

DSP, Da Stalinator, Prince of Macedon were the godfathers of 'Let's Play's'.

[@Gooner333333333]

thats probably whre the Fine brothers got the idea of trademarking reaction videos

[@ArcherVll]

"What could possibly go wrong?".. *Enter's Keemstar*

[@witherbendisch2704]

Skybanez when your channel gets mentioned by keemstar expect it to die

[@kidsombie]

Wither Bendisch lmao this is too accurate

[@witherbendisch2704]

Bl1zzard 144 keemstar has the infinity gauntlet in his possession

[@ZavernKY]

@@witherbendisch2704 Who is this Keemstar dude I've started seeing more about on some comments about being bad? I tried to google who he was, and is the problem with him, but haven't found anything.

[@NKS-jo1ik]

lol

[@taltigolt]

i remember how i begged machinima to join them and eventually i got to, this was back when it was either them or 0 so i chose machinima, i had terms changed without my knowledge and this is the most funny part my videos used to be features on their gaming show called inside gaming they kept featuring them there to the point where those shows were mostly about my videos, eventually they started making their own identical videos of gta mods shortly after they stopped featuring my videos, and guess who made those videos? the hosts of inside gaming, and that host eventually started funhaus based on those videos their first video that they made playing mods themselves was a terminator mod for gta 4, so if anything i was the inspiration for funhaus, they completely killed off my own growth (or well it didn't kill my growth but still) to compete with my youtube channel their own partner, they directly competed with their own creator, i am pretty certain that funhaus exists because of me.

[@Darkprince7764]

That's an amazing story, and I'm sorry that you never got the recognition you deserved because of couple of ungrateful scumbags. Trust me.... I know how you feel to get screwed over by ungrateful leeches of KZbinrs and Companies after you helped them build them up expecting to get help in return, only to get backstab or ghosted by them. However as a right now there are opportunities with great potential waiting for all of us who was left behind, as a right now or in the future. With faith alone I can already see the future of you becoming a legendary content creator. So you shouldn't give up just yet... instead try new things, experiment with ideas where it will take you, and cultivate new skills that will help you succeed!

[@TRILLMAR]

Holy shit I never knew this dark history about them... wow I’ve been with Funhaus since I was like 12 watching inside gaming that’s crazy I’m sorry bro

[@taltigolt]

@@TRILLMAR i actually asked them if this was the case and they have ignored every attempt at asking them about it, and yeah it was sad to see my own network compete with me and then become their own huge succesful channel, ironically the hulk mod for gta 5 they did a video of was a mod based on the one for gta 4 which was a mod mostly of my ideas as i worked with that mod author i got stabbed in the back by MANY

[@TheErenYeagerChannel]

@@taltigolt well then, knowing your story, I guess I have no choice but to boycott funhaus' content from now on even though it wouldn't be that easy for me since a number of my peers talk about them a lot.

[@klaykid117]

@@taltigolt I can totally see Adam and Lawrence doing that tbh they've always been entertaining but have always seemed like assholes adam especially

[@Waryfuls]

This went mostly over our heads as kiddos, and to think the high potential they had...

[@biteablehawk4551]

"what could go wrong?" D R A M A A L E R T every video lol

[@edenlambaco5721]

Perfect

[@MrHistory269]

Underrated comment so true!

[@nvPixieslayer010]

Didn’t even mention the fact that they copyrighted the word machinima so other youtubers couldn’t even call their vids that. Rooster Teeth and rocketjump/Freddie’s had huge problems with them in the old days of KZbin

[@ThaBoss00541]

Yep, once they pulled a FineBros, it was all over for them. Honestly at this point I can’t even remember which channel did the whole stupid copyright thing first

[@nvPixieslayer010]

ThaBoss00541 machinima definitely did it first. I think they did it around 2010-2012

[@JZStudiosonline]

Ehh, Machinima wasn't ever a very popular word, if it ever was a word, before the channel, so... I could give it a pass. Trying to copyright normal everyday words though is horseshit.

[@GwyndolinOwO]

@@JZStudiosonline i wouldn't say it was POPULAR but having words copywritten that are used by artistic communities also really sucks- because to them its an everyday word. Its something that they should at least keep in mind (and the fact another large group like roosterteeth ALSO used the word frequently should be enough for it to be kind of dodgy to claim it). I can find books and pages talking about machinima (making films from video games) dating back to the early 2000's as well so by the time the trademark was made the word used in that context wasn't that "new" I'm not a copywrite expert by far but there's good and bad ways to go about it. A restaurant pulled something somewhat similar to this. The word "Hon". the restaurant was in a town where the word was pretty popular to use, and when she sent out "cease-and-desists" the people there weren't happy- at all. I've never heard the word used in public or online ever but its that kind of backlash in communities it impacts that really hurts them. (she was in an episode of kitchen nightmares, so her business wasn't doing the best)

[@joeymann2410]

The trademark's expired now, enjoy everyone!

[@deezynrth]

This was a wild trip down memory lane. It's funny how much I would watch Machinima videos when I was younger, and then how quickly I forget they even existed.

[@neoxastro2407]

Favourite segments is “what could possibly go wrong “ followed by drama alert gave me a really good chuckle

[@KillerMontage]

Before the channel became famous, wasn't the term "Machinima" defined as animation/youtube poop/parodies of games? i.e. Red vs blue, Days of our Lives Resident Evil, Raccoon City stories, etc?

[@exen8650]

I think it was making a parody/show from a video game, but this shit all happened so long ago I can't remember

[@jjcoola998]

Ok so I always thought mschinima was making a video with video game characters like people do with gmod but back in the day I was sitting here thinking I made all that up until I saw this comment I used to watch old TBC wow videos and they'd always be mschinima

[@RO_117]

Yeah basically 'Machinima' comes from Machine x Cinema.

[@BradyT918]

I never associated Machinima with game play videos but more with things like RvB and game music videos (such as wow parodies like Nyhm) which seemed to die off in 2011-12.

[@RavenThePlayer]

This is what I remember machinima being. Productions using video game footage.

[@FloridaFoodie]

That RuneScape music starting at 3:30 brought back memories 😭

[@apyrrhus0]

I remember when cupquake was apart of machinima, honestly 2012 was such a good nostalgic year for youtube in my opinion

[@just-a-squishstudios]

THATS HOW I KNOW MACHINIMA! I remember being a young kid wanting so had to start up this super big KZbin channel and go with Machinima. Glad I never did that, though I doubt I’d ever get any notoriety considering I was 8 when I wanted to do it, lol. Glad I am where I am today regardless, even if I only have 100 subs on here and 2k on my insta. Growth takes time and work. Fuck Machinima promising all of their bullshit.

[@cjboyo]

Is cupquake still active? Holy shit I just flashed back to middle school

[@joerperez290]

I knew Machinima from watching Sonic For Hire series in early 2012. I missed the golden age of KZbin

[@cjboyo]

@Mitch Hart omg same. Her voice was so soothing

[@Lollol-ty2nx]

E

[@KneeCapHill]

I miss the machinima era of gaming. No stupid MLG or international gaming events. Just people having fun and sharing their cool videos online. Felt like a much smaller and intimate community

[@GoldieH3]

MLG was around back then, It just wasn't as in your face as it is now.

[@KneeCapHill]

@@GoldieH3 There wasn't all that money in gaming championships and it was better. Always online competitive only games have made the gaming scene as a whole about being good more than having fun

[@ShutUpBubi]

Early 2010s MLG when it was strictly Halo & Call of Duty was amazing... Gaming died around 2013 as a whole and has been a shell ever since tbh and its sad

[@GoldieH3]

@@KneeCapHill As soon as money gets involved in anything it stops being about fun and more about making green. KZbin and Twitch are just as much to blame as MLG for people starting to take things too seriously.

[@lxrdkenji]

@@GoldieH3 But that doesn't make any sense though. People still play games for fun and there are still tournaments where the award isnt money but something else differently. That really isnt an issue. And it also offers more jobs for people who are great at playing games and do it for a living.

[@secretshotgunape832]

How ironic that the title is “scams” and I got an ad for a psychic

[@epiccollision]

Yeah @google will shill for anyone, @amazon will too unless it’s a union.

[@Zedexization]

I got an ad for a MLM work-from-home scheme.

[@unluckyblanket2779]

I got Fortnite bullshit

[@WhiplashSL]

I don't think the fall of Machinima was tied solely to their aggressive and bullish business practices. There was also the loss of some of their biggest talent on the platform. For example, Inside Gaming was arguably their biggest draw on the channel. At the time, it was the go-to place for gaming news coverage. I have fond memories of coming home from middle and high school and refreshing KZbin to see if there was a new video from Inside Gaming, especially when E3 was happening (back when it had prestige and renown). It also helped that it had the crew of Adam Kovic, Bruce Greene, James Willems, Lawrence Sonntag, Sean Poole, Matt Peake, and Joel Rubin, which made the videos all the more enjoyable. When they announced back in 2015 that they were leaving Machinima, it was kind of the beginning of the end for Machinima. They lost possibly their best team and arguably the best part about Machinima overnight. After that, everything felt bland and generic. The charm that Machinima had was drained and wrung out like a wet rag.

[@AgeofJP]

Inside Gaming and later Funhaus was by far my favorite group of content creators until quite recently when most OGs left Funhaus...the combination of Bruce, James and Adam especially is the funniest dynamic I've come across period. They made a series of playing awful game demos absolutely legendary. I recommend the Demo Disk playlist to anyone who has a sense of humor and no stick up their ass. The tampon bucket, Scrobbles, Boonty Box...their style of comedy was truely unique and I miss it dearly

[@nayujsemaj7012]

@@AgeofJP Well said, that trio and overall original group was unbeatable when it came to funny gameplays.... sad to see it go but then again, everything has to come to an end and that era of KZbin gaming has long since passed.

[@zekeiwa5837]

2015 was also the year arby n the chief ended, and funnily enough they lost a considerable amount of subscribers the same day, not to mention they kept treating their creators like crap and it was obvious the people working there had no idea of who they were, so to many it was insulting to see push away the only creators they still had

[@wizardmaster7475]

I watch I am Wildcats podcast where he had Sark, Hutch and Nanners on, and Saric basically said that the downfall of machinima happened, when KZbin told everyone that they can partner them with their ad program.

[@Sabre2015]

Good old days of inside gaming🔥🙌 I not only used to watch inside gaming & also naiomi kyle from IGN daily fix remember her? 😂

[@SpeedosAndTheGun]

“The early 2000s isn’t a time we can all reminisce on” are you trying to make me feel old lool

[@sailorgoon501]

I'd love to know everything about that time period on the internet. An internet devoid of the taint of normality, PC culture and the depredations of jealous and greedy corporations sounds like a mythical realm to me. What was it like?

[@SpeedosAndTheGun]

@@sailorgoon501 it was a beautiful time on the ol internet explorer which was pretty much the only browser at the time lol, however it was slow as hell loool

[@zen608]

@@SpeedosAndTheGun yo take me back. Society keeps getting worse

[@wizardmaster7475]

@@zen608 i think the reason our society is getting worse is because of social media being a thing.

[@spoodthang2146]

@@SpeedosAndTheGun Uh Firefox was a thing.

[@BELLEVERIC]

i remember seeing them everywhere back then lol but never really noticed they werent around anymore lol

[@shona5512]

Who seen the Machinima logo intro and the sound effects automatically played in their heads?

[@literallyarthur1610]

Lmao I can just hear that with just you saying that

[@wizardmaster7475]

I can literally sound out the intro sound effects I know them so well.

[@diontes1480]

I love how you explain the nostalgic times of Machinima type videos w even more nostalgic Runescape music.

[@colinrock8816]

I was looking for this comment. Finally found it. As soon as the music started I was scrolling through the comment section looking for a fellow adventurer haha

[@pandaempirethatsme3821]

There was a series a videos on Machinima and there were two seasons it was called battlefield friends and some videos still hang around as they have been re-uploaded by smaller KZbin creators but they're almost all gone the videos were so good as well but they're almost all completely gone and the ones that weren't re-uploaded are gone forever and some of those were my favorite ones it makes me really sad :(

[@exen8650]

neebs gaming were the guys who made battlefield friends, and I am fairly certain the entire show as well as their other content is available on their channel?

[@M4TTYN]

mine were the GTA IV stuff man i miss them gems lost to a company that turned evil but what company ain't evil

[@rddrpar8349]

Dude I got news for you somebody was able to archived the entire Thing go to online archives or search around KZbin videos about battlefield friends and you will find them

[@paulcarmi8130]

@@M4TTYN lots. Lots of companies aren't evil. Get your head out of your ass

[@AchiragChiragg]

I remember watching battlefield friends during BF3 days

[@singlemotherRespector]

Holy shit you just brought these memories back from the deepest parts of my mind

[@Flat_Earth_Sophia]

Deepest? The channel was huge just a few years ago. lol

[@dkrieger5281]

He's like " I'm not old enough to review the whole history, so let's just talk about what I know"

[@Ge0man]

with the dark syde phill thing, it wasn't actually ubisoft it was a troll trying to get rid oh phills channel.

[@tsundokus]

Why am I toxic snort ack ack ack

[@Shushkin]

He failed :/

[@webbedshadow2601]

Remember how hard it was having to click the little "x" on all the annotation video links covering the screen and one of them leading to some kind of Zombie video??

[@dethmaul]

And Ray William johnson atarting the trend of making them the size of the screen, so you click on tge video to pause it, and you go to the linked video instead?

[@pinklova_101]

The only thing of machinima I really grew attached to was two best friends play. God before game grumps, Matt and pat were the og’s I watched. Their videos were so iconic and I miss them sometimes. Sad that they also were a part of this mess : /

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

Mans1ay3er (Oblivion/Skyrim/MassEffect youtube poop) and Ross Scott (Civil Protection, Freeman's Mind) were a part of Machinima too.

[@Kirbythediver]

Me: trying to go cold turkey on OSRS addiction You: subliminal RS background music Me: TRIGGERED!!!

[@zzzarkka]

Gg

[@motolife8616]

you can never quit runescape you just take... breaks.

[@dustinjames1268]

Its been months for me. I quit because I didn't have the time anymore for my Ironman. I would spend more than 10x more of my time just gathering resources and processing them in order to do the things I wanted to do Its frustrating to spend my 2 hours a day all week gathering things to boss or do a slayer task or two on the weekend I'll come back when GroupManMode comes out so that I can do ironman with alts

[@motolife8616]

@@dustinjames1268 i rest my case.

[@fetus_the_paddy5420]

It actually was not ubisoft that took dsp down but somebody pretending to be ubisoft

[@SoftSpokenShank]

So someone pretended to be Ubi, and YT didn't even cross-checked before taking the entire channel down? Classy YT.

[@tristan6509]

@@SoftSpokenShank KZbin never cross check any copyright claim even to this day..

[@puppyhowler]

@@SoftSpokenShank oh yeah, they never double-check the copyright claim to make sure it was legit, it's one of the biggest reasons why the copyright system is so shit.

[@wizardmaster7475]

@@puppyhowler Oh yeah it’s gotten so bad to the point where companies or people will just copyright strike your videos for no reason. Even if you weren’t playing a song.

[@truvic5274]

Nostalgic af putting that Runescape music in there. I started playing osrs a few months ago, missed it.

[@PokemonHaloFan]

I was in high school when KZbin was first launched and being a huge gamer seeing the Machinima logo before a video started was a nearly constant companion. So many great memories from the late 2000s. Never knew all this was going on though.

[@Glxdiatorr]

I'm just glad the Inside Gaming lads made it out alive and into something soooo much better, love Funhaus

[@tsundokus]

You forgot the etc guys aswell

[@jkmorbo]

I'm surprised I had to scroll down a bit to see this comment. Funhaus is the shit.

[@badoinker]

Dude Inside Gaming was my favourite gaming channel of all time and I remember being so sad when I heard they had to shut down. When I found Funhaus, I was so happy am excited to see how the boys were doing

[@jason3955]

The only real experience I have had with Machinima was when I used to sell my old Games on eBay and one buyer messaged me in a very hostile manner demanding more stuff AFTER the sale and saying “I am a machinima editor and you need to do this!” I ignored and reported to eBay after that one 🤷‍♂️

[@tastyburger9260]

Snitches get stitches. Your time is coming Jason.

[@CardLounge]

@@tastyburger9260 machinimas time came. 🤯😂

[@Jsjsusi]

​@@tastyburger9260bruh😂😂

[@CloakedJ24]

That RuneScape music was a nostalgic slap in the face

[@darkpondz]

Damn kinda forgot machinima existed till I saw it’s logo in a random video thumbnail and now I’m here wondering what happened 😅

[@gixerson8212]

Same here.

[@camronh14]

Same here, too.

[@98hunterj]

Remember when they cut everyones pay to give WoodysGamertag more 🤣

[@ohmanyourecool1]

Who?

[@aiwash2766]

Hunter Jackson well I would imagine, wasn’t he and whiteboy7thstreet like the top 2 biggest gaming channels at that point?

[@soapmctavish194]

WoodysGamertag sucks

[@gabrielwildman]

not really true but he probably did get paid more

[@s.h.723]

ohmanyourecool just your average boomer

[@MollymaukT]

Machinima was pretty impactful here in Brazil and in many ways shaped KZbin gaming perhaps even more than in the rest of the world. Their network actually helped kickstart a bunch of channels that weren't economically viable by the amount of views (which was an issue cause they burned through their cash reserves), and they also had a couple of "poster boys" (Monark and VenomExtreme) who were a big deal before they entered the network, though it was never proved officially, Machinima ran them a bot to bolster the amount of subs they had, in the beginning it was foul play to deceive the algorithm and get them more spotlight, but it got quite silly when around 2014 they had each about 3M subscribers, which was a ridiculous amount back then, and meanwhile their views were fluctuating around 200-250k and after 2016 got even lower. To this day their mostly dead channels have an insane amount of subs from the bots.

[@CopsOnPatrol]

Funny Machinima story: I was with them from 2011-2014. My original contract was $2 per 1000 views, all views not just monetized views. In late 2012, I was given an ultimatum. Accept the new contract terms or leave the network. It was $1.96 per 1000 monetized views. They got $1.96 by using my average CPM in the last 3 months. I took that deal. In 2013, my channel was blowing up. 7m views in September out of nowhere. I contacted Machinima and bitched about getting a better contract. They gave me a 80/20 split. October comes around & I get 19m views. My payout was $16,000ish in December. I got pissed thinking “no way, I definitely made more than that.” I contacted them and found out different lol Turns out, I only made $10,800 that month in ad revenue and analytics showed that. I was overplayed by almost $6000 lmao. They paid me on my old contract of $1.96 per 1000 monetized views rather than the new 80/20 split. They were cool about it and said just keep it. Needless to say, I did 😂 but $5000? That’s someone’s salary that month. Idk why they didn’t pursue it. This is partly why Machinima failed. They burned money

[@nzmanhdee6246]

I think the employees wanted the company to fail

[@razepp]

@PetNinja why you delete all your videos?

[@sunshine_bypolar8769]

wow

[@CopsOnPatrol]

@Chomo Nice this channel was created in 2014...great research scooby, you get the gang involved on this one? And if you checked the socialblade data of this channel, Pet Ninja, for the last 2 years you’d see around 100m views have been deleted. The channel I’m referencing in the above comment was “MrClasssicKxD” now terminated, but also shows up on socialblade.

[@jaif7327]

@@CopsOnPatrol what a loser jesus

[@BLACKIR0NTARKUS]

No mention of Papa Sark? He was there on the front lines, helping people escape their contracts from within the company and seeing to it that the content they created for Machinima would be given back to the creators. He was the real MVP

[@southj89]

He fought really hard for Hutch and SeaNanners

[@wizardmaster7475]

Yeah I remember watching I am wildcats podcast, and Hutch said that he used to think machinima was gonna last forever. I also remember sark saying in the podcast that when he was trying to leave machinima was threatening to sue him.

[@Synthwavu]

The only thing I remember about Machinima are three legends: Sark, SeaNanners, and Hutch

[@enthused5679]

kids these days will never know

[@NemesisFromResidentEvil]

I used to be a Respawn Director, those 3 people were awful behind the scenes and used sub bots

[@ABUltra64]

Don't forget Sonic For Hire

[@huze5]

The most heartbreaking experience I've had was finding out they deleted every single video. There was so much content from so many talented people that's just completely lost forever now.

[@yx5367]

Yo there better be a backup somewhere holyshit.

[@RandalfElVikingo]

That was a dick move lol

[@user-lz5wf]

Most of it has been reuploaded on the creator's channels. Mans1ay3r for example was a prominent machinima creator and all of his work has been reuploaded on his personal channel

[@thelazypotato4860]

Totally forgot machinima was even a thing until I saw this video!

[@wizardmaster7475]

Same

[@sweatshirtearl9537]

2:46 Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Ubisoft state they didn’t copyright the video and it was just some random guy. Then KZbin realized and brought it back up

[@bradengardiner5124]

yeah that part wasn't looked into greatly, fredrick Knudsen clears what happened to DSP well. other than that though good vid

[@Nicomanism]

That RuneScape 2006 music brings back so many memories

[@jiminycricket6747]

i was thinking about machinima the other day and remembering all the great vids i used to watch.. and the this comes up in recommendations.

[@KEVlNy0]

The nostalgia in this video is unreal from the old KZbin layouts to the trick shots this video made me feel like I was 13 again

[@xSaidinx]

I wonder how many times he said "Ross Boom Sticks" .

[@nicholasoates9653]

too many

[@bigidiotdumbstupidguy9329]

Was looking for this comment lmao. It’s just close enough to understand who he’s talking about, but just far enough for it to be annoying.

[@pawel2669]

I miss old youtube layout. When people comment section on their channel as well. It was like a chat room for fans of the youtuber. Also you used to be able to friend people on youtube, it was like facebook friends, except it meant a lot less

[@londonboy9422]

This is so sad. I was only 14 at the height of MW2 and Machinima was to me one of the greatest channels on KZbin. I literally haven't heard the name for years until seeing this video, and to see how they operated is just terrible, I had no idea.

[@slicer940]

This just makes me miss Seananners more.

[@cpt.mystic_stirling]

Nannners and the gang. Chilled has been trying to keep the gang together. Bless him for still hoping

[@hairydiablo1326]

He occasionally jumps on Mr Sark's, Hutch's or Chilled's twitch and they play. Chilled has a few recent Warzone livestreams with Nanners saved on his twitch page.

[@crocidile90]

@@hairydiablo1326 Well, he still hangs with his old friends from time to time, though has the "derp crew" of him, GaLm, Smarty, and Zeroyalchaos (the main quadrio) that keeps him up.

[@wizardmaster7475]

Yeah but I think he started uploading again.

[@anxietywave8735]

I wasn't aware of Machinima's dark past but it's members produced spectacular videos that are all now gone forever.

[@bullmoosevelt4495]

Now that I think about it. That Machinima logo did look pretty evil.

[@chipman911]

The quality of this video is amazing!

[@eddielopez2373]

The "drama alert" dude is so incredibly annoying to listen to.

[@ferminola]

@@A_Stranger2256 nobody wants to know It

[@henrymcbark7337]

I like him.

[@Z4J3B4NT]

5:29 I was like dude, are you having a stroke?

[@bigyoshi5092]

Henry McBark what?

[@unfortunateson5016]

@Flare let's see falsely accusing an old man as a pedo, saying the n word with the hard r, and pushing someone to suicide.

[@CommanderCharms]

I remember Machinima for Arby 'n' the Chief, The Forgotten Spartans, all that kind of old stuff, you know, the stuff that Machinima is actually defined as (to loosely quote DigitalPh33r / Jon CJG, Machinima is the art of creating a form of entertainment utilising video games as the foundation). Ironically, Xanatos, a HL2 KZbinr made a skit in "The GMan Squad" where the future of Machinima as a network and as a creative art form was solely frag movies and trickshot montages, which is pretty much exactly what it is.

[@FATTYBONGRIPS]

now even trickshottings been dead for over 5 years. jesus christ

[@g_vo]

HOLY SHIT an actual outro to a Sunny video, I’m actually in complete shock and awe

[@leertesebeirge2310]

Back in the day, everyone wanted a machinima partnership.

[@dawsonsmith3797]

3:15 that RuneScape music pierced my heart 😔

[@senormarston]

So, probably, the best time to be a gaming content creator was around 2013/2014. Wow, I didn't it was such a hard period for us gamer

[@VelvetCzar]

The Runescape background music was super distracting and nostalgic at the same time. You earned a sub

[@CrazyzzzDudezzz]

I never knew the story behind the fall of the call of duty community was so interesting. Keep it up!

[@SunnyV2]

Thank you brother much love

[@richardmichaels2330]

I think Xjawz is due some attention on this channel keep it up

[@MrIWILLEATYOU]

Wasn't it drug and alcohol problems that led to him quitting?

[@CallForGrandPappy]

Spudman drugs, booze along with living above his means and getting seriously in debt.

[@AloozerOW]

Fuck I loved him he was the first you tuber I watched.

[@Sizzllllnn]

I always thought he and BlameTruth were the same person

[@TehUltimateSnake]

@@MrIWILLEATYOU Adderall

[@jakechasenbergman1041]

Machinima before MW2 was all about Halo. Especially Halo 3, they would go into theatre mode and create content that had unlimited amount of stories within the game. Halo Machinimas were dope. Idk why you never mentioned that when regarded as nostalgia.

[@clevernamegotban1752]

yeah how he completely disregarded Halo machinima is beyond me.... even Reach was still popular on the machinima channel

[@Ammut6]

Halo is what started it all!

[@Ammut6]

Red vs Blue, Anoj, etc

[@jakechasenbergman1041]

@@Ammut6 I forgot about Anoj lol

[@xRolyJoel]

@@Ammut6 Anoj! Now there's some nostalgia

[@imatlastheyote]

2:45 I might have this wrong but I believe that it was actually someone pretending to be Ubisoft who contacted youtube to take down Phil's channel. Not Ubisoft themselves.

[@RexZ412]

My man is blowing up

[@tactical_slime4608]

only thing when machinama comes to mind : halo machinima movies/shows

[@yx5367]

Or machine Cinema creations hence the original name

[@EvolPunk]

I remember seeing machinima videos as I was going into high school, and being a gamer since pre-school I always thought getting a video onto the machinima channel would be the greatest thing ever. I never tried, never had the equipment or knowledge. As bad as machinima was for their creators, it's still just as hard or possibly harder to gain any traction today with everyone having their own channel and dream, the competition is much greater and your content just gets lost in a sea of unviewed content. This was a good video, I never knew this story. I was familiar but didn't know the details.

[@timmoethy]

I really appreciate the trickshots as transition. Thank you!

[@n0zo.143]

"What could possibly go wrong" *dramaalert intro plays*

[@Stuart_Dooley]

I remember binge watching Anoj’s Top 10’s from Machinima when I was in high school and I was so sad when I found out he was leaving for good in 2014. I still to this day honestly missed Anoj because even though he was fairly small back then, he was honestly really enjoyable to watch.

[@vict0ree]

DarkSydePhil is a bigger scammer than Machinima could ever hope to be.

[@Imucknukchuck]

From 3:36 - 5:15 or so - what is that music from? It is really familiar, but I can't place it.

[@CVasqueezy]

I’m 23 years old and the last time I played RuneScape was like 13 years ago. The background music punched me so hard in the nostalgia.

[@Dunki113]

I still find it crazy how much of a big deal Machinima was back then, seeing the logo basically assured you that you were gonna watch a really good video and how a lot of content creators kept talking about how amazing it would be to be partnered with Machinima. Now that they no longer exist it kinda sucks because it's like witnessing Cartoon Network being shutdown and all those memories of watching your favorite entertainment from them are just memories now. Even to this day if I happen to stumble across an old video that still has the Machinima intro it instantly becomes a blast from the past for me. Don't get me wrong, I still acknowledge that they're a bad company but the memories are still good and it's kinda sad to know that despite the bad rep they were still part of the golden age of KZbin before KZbin got better and then started going downhill to this day.

[@marlongasparotto5867]

Who stopped listening to the narrator when the Runescape music started in the background? XD

[@hellkid227]

I came to look in the comments if anybody noticed the Runescape music lmao

[@EQTsaus]

Literally paused the video to come look for any comments on this lol

[@TremourSphereUK]

i was actually playing and started tripping

[@xjcforever1x]

@@TremourSphereUK yuhhhhhhhhh

[@YesIsForMe]

I was like, I remember this song... then remembered I got lured and ended up in lumbridge dancing for money

[@ddrebelrehab5883]

That RuneScape bg music tho. Suddenly I'm flooded with nostalgia. Thanks!