The Marvels - a rambling review

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[@kemmdog4444]

Iman Vellani is even co-writing her character in the comics.

[@mikaylaeager7942]

It’s a limited series called “Ms. Marvel: The New Mutant” and it’s actually quite good!

[@scientivore]

In the comics, the people of Aladna speak in rhyme. The movie changes it to song.

[@johnhmaloney]

Great review! This is probably the most thoughtful and tactful review of The Marvels that I've seen. I was lucky to see it on opening night, so I was able to go into it without any expectations of the film itself and, tbh, I don''t really have very high expectations for most storylines in the MCU. I also adore the way Iman Vellani plays Kamala, so that helped a lot. It was a fairly brain-off experience for me, but it was also a lot of fun.

[@cjayconrod]

People had unrealistic expectations for this movie. It was fun and funny. I really couldn't ask for much more.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What do you feel were the expectations that people had for this film that were unrealistic?

[@chrisj617]

I just saw the movie for the first time a couple weeks ago, and it was much better than what people made it out to be. It had all the building blocks of a great film, but it definitely didn't make use of them in the final cut. Regardless, it was mostly enjoyable with jokes that actually landed for once, and Kamala Khan was absolutely the standout!

[@superkid801]

It is fun I enjoyed it and Kamala is so great, she did steal the show for me. My sister loved that planet where they sung to communicate and loved Carol's dress, even got a Funko if it for my sister too. It does have its flaws but I can still enjoy it

[@ThePonderer]

I thought this movie was quite weak on first viewing, but I’ve watched it twice since and now I can confidently say I *love* it.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What do you love the most in the film?

[@ThePonderer]

@@Thed538dhsk my favorite part of any movie I love is bound to be character arcs, though I could also say the action.

[@borjankosarac3645]

It’s far from as bad as some claim, and I don’t fault anyone liking it. Personally I feel it’s disappointing on multiple levels - skipping the actual defeat of the Great Intelligence and having a villain who should have been more interesting given her motivations - but I don’t hate it; I wish it was better put together but then, I feel that about a lot of post-IW/EG Marvel.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@borjankosarac3645 which other films or shows did you feel this way about?

[@christineherrmann205]

To me it felt fun, but I agree that the editing felt wonky. It needs a director's cut badly. I actually missed some of the deeper character stuff that they could have added. It felt like they missed a lot of connection.

[@briangressett902]

It's become my second favorite Marvel movie. I love the movie and have watched it several times.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What do you love most about this film?

[@briangressett902]

@@Thed538dhsk The humor and the fun. I found it just a delight to watch...Ms. Marvel is a joy to watch, Her and her Family her excitement is infectious. The character of Monica Rambeau has been my Captain Marvel since the Earlier 80s. I started Reading right after the first Captain Marvel had died so I didn't know him as well. I didn't feel bored anywhere in the movie. It was a great Popcorn flick. I thought the actress al played well off of each other. I felt more for Captain Marvel in this movie. This is a woman who had the first half of her life erased from her memory and I could see that pain and regret in her face when it came to Monica and her trying to do better with Kamala. I finished watching that movie with a big smile on my faces and excited for what's next in the MCU and my cat Maxie looks like Goose.

[@danielsleeper2307]

It took a google search for me to get the answer to the second bangle. Apparently Carol wears it at the end and used it to help her restart Hala's sun. Pretty sure any actual explanatory dialogue didn't appear in the film.

[@Siansonea]

I wonder how much of the issues I have with this movie really boil down to editing choices? 🤔

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@Siansoneawhat problems did you have with this film? Likely most are indeed the problem with the editing

[@dawgy444]

I saw Carol wearing it at the end, but no reasons were said. I guess we had to assume it was safer with Carol having it, then letting Kamala have both of them.

[@amw6846]

No, I remembered that in the film. She took it and was fixing some of her mistakes with it.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Im just confused why some people are okay with the guardians vol 3 orgoscope flesh biological satellite but bothered by a planet with life forms that sing as their language?

[@AceOfSevens]

I liked this movie, mainly because of the characters, but plot-wise, it has serious issues. I think you are right it comes off more as missing scenes than just nonsense like Madame Webb, but so much stuff we just don't understand, like what happens to Carol's husband or what Fury is doing.

[@Tuaron]

I know this film got a bad rep (particularly with the box officer performance), but I quite loved this film. It was a ton of fun, even if there are a lot of problems (one of my biggest issues is the space station storyline, to avoid spoiling it, though I found the end of that pretty entertaining). I do agree that it does feel like some stuff was trimmed for tone, we definitely could've used more on certain fronts and less on others unless for tone. Going into this, I had lower expectations or hopes (I wasn't much of a fan of the Captain Marvel film, thought she was better in her very brief Endgame appearance, and Ms. Marvel was a bit fun but rather mixed), but the first trailer made it look like kinda dumb fun, so that's what I expected and got. Actually, it was better on an emotional/character front than I'd expected, with Monica definitely getting the most underserved (they didn't quite delve into her relationship with Carol as much as I'd liked, but enough that it worked). The mechanics of the swap were iffy, but honestly, it's comic/dumb sci-fi logic - it makes a base level of sense, don't poke many holes as it'll just work the best way it can for the story, so enjoy that. Iman Vellani is definitely the MVP, but Brie Larson was great, and Teyonah Parris was solid - you probably could've cut most of Kamala's family and Fury, but that definitely would've hurt the tone and they were such a joy. Wouldn't mind seeing what was cut out or dropped before filming, etc. MORE SPOILER-Y COMMENTS: I was also surprised by how much I enjoyed the unnecessary cameos. Valkyrie's brief appearance really helped fill out Carol as a character in just a few seconds (that immediate hug, the show of how they've become friends who help each other out - that's the Carol I've come to like, after the Kelly Thompson run), while Kate Bishop's was a little fun (including poking fun at the idea of being a "Kid" Avenger when she's in her 20s).

[@cnc9716]

Was looking forward to the film, saw it and got what I expected. A dumb fun space team-up movie. Villian could of been better but the teams chemistry with each other was great.

[@kemmdog4444]

I enjoyed it. It’s not the greatest superhero movie but I had fun.

[@karsonbollinger8412]

I completely agree with the take of when it’s good it’s fun. I definitely didn’t think it was marvels worst by a long shot. Far better than Dark World at least.

[@Gh0stbumbles]

I did not hate the movie. I think they finally gave Carol Danvers a personality She was charming personable fun to watch finally. I loved her dynamic with Rambo and Kamal Khan. It does feel like there's things missing in the movie and the villain to me is just very just bad non-threatening non menacing No personality boring generic. But overall even with its issues I found the movie charming. not great but not bad I was charmed I had a smile on my face during a lot of it.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

The Marvels doesn't deserve nearly as much hate as it gets. It was a fun romp, the training montage was really fun, the switching was a great idea for story and fights and Kamala is still one of the most fun characters and actresses. And the villain has one of the better motivations and plans in the MCU. The hate comes from people who despise women so much they made a fan edit to Avengers Endgame that removes all scenes with women. Yeah, those people are obsessed.

[@TheMaxxAwesome]

I saw this in the cinema and thought it was okay. But, much like the first Captain Marvel, watching it at home, I enjoyed it even more. No idea why, nothing particularly changed, but it just seemed better this time around.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Why do you think that is for both films?

[@TheMaxxAwesome]

@@Thed538dhsk It's odd, I admit. There is no real explanation. Maybe it is down to my own mood a bit. The only thing that has changed in my own circumstances is that I've been sick lately, I saw that this was on Disney Plus and it seemed better than I remember.

[@jfsredhead]

any thoughts on the post credits scee

[@docweidner]

Iman Vellani was by far the best part of the film. Along with her family continuing to be a delight. Carol has the other bangle when they are moving stuff at the end.

[@uuneya]

I think the bones of a successful YA film are there, but trying to cram this square peg into the MCU hole resulted something that feels like a kids movie but wishes it was for grownups (hence swearing at the last second so they garner that PG-13 rating). I had fun, but I also knew who most of these characters were beforehand.

[@nathanielraefraughton5218]

This is definitely not a perfect movie but I genuinely loved it. It was just fun. Iman Vellani needs to be in more things, she is a consistent delight as is Kamala's family. As someone whose favourite superhero tv show was DC's Legends of Tomorrow, please give me all of the comic book silliness, that is what I'm here for. The stuff with the Flerkens near the end of the movie had me laughing so hard. The singing planet was also delightfully silly. While they could definitely do with deeper character work and more depth to the storytelling, I will take a fun movie over a boring one anyday, and kinda boring is what most of the Marvel movies have been lately so this one was an improvement for me.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Which mcu films do you feel have been boring lately for you?

[@nathanielraefraughton5218]

@@Thed538dhsk Quantummania and the Dr. Strange movie were kinda boring for me. So was Thor Love and Thunder, I almost forgot that one existed. They're not bad necessarily, just kinda fine but not exciting.

[@notuptome]

I am curious about the End credits scene and where that could play in to the future of the MCU also Iman Vellani who plays ms.marvel is writing g with marvel some new MS. Marvel comics she herself I guess from what I read is writing the stories

[@sbi168]

Iman vallani is just brilliant. She should be massive. She out shines everyone in this. The film is really messy but I had allot more fun than I feared . All the negative press etc really worried me but I had allot of fun.

[@Nortarachanges]

Yeah I think messy fits better than bad or good. And absolutely Iman was a gift ^_^

[@Mrhullsie2]

Yes, it was a fun movie. I saw it on Disneyplus and am a little sorry I didn't give it my support in theatre. Kept meaning to and never got round to it. Yes, probably ranks in lower half of Marvel movies as you say but of the Marvel movies since Endgame probably in the upper half.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What is your post endgame ranking?

[@Mrhullsie2]

@@Thed538dhsk There have been 10 films post Endgame. I would certainly put, Spider-Man, Shang-Chi and Guardians above Marvel's Thor and Black Widow and Eternals below. Black Panther probably higher, Antman and Doc Strange probably lower, so Marvels probably no 5.

[@ljayscott]

When I saw the movie in the theater, they DID have a scene at the end explaining what happened to the second bangle, so my first impression was you may have been distracted on the plane and that was why you thought it was missing scenes... Then I remembered what happen with Infinity War: I saw it in the theater then, just before End Game came out, I watched it again on Netflix streaming only to discover it was a different cut of the movie... So now I'm wondering, if given the poor box office for the movie, did you get an alternative cut of the movie on the plane which, indeed, lacked the scene about what happened to the second bangle as well as other scenes that were in the theatrical release...?

[@Thed538dhsk]

What DID happen with the second bangle?

[@amyr6544]

​@@Thed538dhskCarol has it. The bangle is on her wrist in the last scene where the Khan family is helping Carol move into Monica and Maria's house.

[@alfje5492]

Quite liked the movie, but I can see many reasons why people didn't go see it: - People don't like Carol, the Colin Baker of the MCU (on top of the usual misogyny and Mary-Sue BS). - The 2 other leads come from TV-series, who knows how many people have seen these? - This movie works best when it's light and funny, another world-ending baddie was really not needed. - Sony and DC keep bringing out mainly crap superhero movies, so you already lost the casual viewer. - MCU Phase 4 and 5 haven't been great, so you lost quite a few Marvel fans along the way. - The lead-in to the movie was the abysmal Secret Invasion... nuff said. I hope this movie gets re-appraised further down the line and looking forward to more Ms Marvel!

[@Elwaves2925]

The overall movie was okay IMO, it had it's good and fun moments but also it's fair share of poor moments. I'm glad it wasn't longer, any more and I agree it would have become boring. Marvel has put out worse movies. What really kept me watching though was Iman Vellani who was clearly have a fantastic time and it showed.

[@evaserration6223]

Not gonna lie, I cried at the moment where the Kree attacked the Skrull settlement. The scenes of refugees fleeing bombardment from a superior military power was too prescient and hit hard given the current situation in Gaza.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Ino that scene wasn't given enough weight afterwards. Did you feel the same or nah? Like cm really doesn't seem to care about any of those skrulls after sending them with val. No guilt or remorse or desire to avenge them after they head with val. Felt really odd imo after watching her first film in 2019

[@xHx23x]

Great review. Honestly I loved the fact that there was so much fun in this movie which I feel has been missing from this particular universe for a while. Oh Carol had the other band at the end in the scene at the house.

[@apocrypha5363]

I honestly thought it was a very 'nothing' movie. It just sort of washed over me and had very little impact on me. It comes across like 'just another cookie cutter MCU movie,' and that's exactly what Disney doesn't need right now, since people are so tired of that. They need new, fresh and different.

[@stephennootens916]

I watch it on Disney + and loved the action bit often felt like there was important stuff like the whole back story of the bad guys that wss not dumped at the last minutes. It was like they realize plot holes so they through a sense to fix it. It took me out of the movie and pick up my phone.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Why did you choose to watch this film on Disney +?

[@amw6846]

Couple of things...on the streaming version we bought, Carol has that second bangle at the end. She used it to fix Hala's sun. I agree that there were a lot of what seemed like editing blips in the narrative, though, that were done for tonal reasons. In some ways I prefer that because a LOT of MCU movies feel bloaty to me. There's a tendency to try to roll too many larger MCU points into a movie, and getting those in as well as what would be considered normal plot and development is...getting unwieldly. The leaner feel is appreciated. I agree with you on the desire to see more work on the script before filming. It would cut expenses too.

[@ItsMeHarry]

Also fun fact (which I'm sure you may have got in the comments already but hey ho), but the actor who played the main villain in this movie is actually the main soldier from "Into The Dalek"

[@HudsonMedia]

This films like a film that just came out at the wrong time. It’s gonna be one of those ones that people look on more fondly retroactively I think. Like it’s fine. It’s not bad. It’s not great. Just your usual Marvel fare.

[@PixelatedH2O]

The movie has some serious holes but I'd call it a solid B tier MCU movie

[@Thed538dhsk]

What do you feel are other b tier mcu films?

[@PixelatedH2O]

@@Thed538dhsk Black Widow, GotG 2, Age of Ultron

[@JohnBainbridge0]

I thought it was fun. It wasn't great, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as some reviews. The moral of the story is that Iman Vellani stole the show. Even some of the people who didn't like the movie still loved her in it.

[@TheMadMuttMcNally]

The problem is that it’s just “good”. If Disney wants to maintain a film universe they need to make great films that fans want to see continue

[@Zecuto]

I was waiting for this one, the marvels review

[@allyssaswain2394]

pretty sure the phrase is short end of the stick.

[@sojabursche]

Movie has many cats = I like the movie.

[@Tokrakree]

I really enjoyed it! Just like you said a fun time to just enjoy and not take too serious. Hate that the worst of people are again being the loudest against these women.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Who do you feel are the worst of people being the loudest against these women?

[@mikaylaeager7942]

The singing planet is pulled directly from the comics actually, specifically Captain Marvel (2014) #9. The entire issue is written in rhyming couplets and guest stars Dazzler from the X-men. The MCU Captain Marvel movies are heavily inspired by the Kelly Sue DeConnick run. She is the one that transitioned her from Ms. Marvel to Captain Marvel and introduced the iconic suit. Carols cat (Chewie in the comics. No clue why they changed it to Goose. Yes, they are both wingmen, but Chewie is a furry wingman which is way better!) anyway… Chewie laying eggs and being revealed to be an Eldritch horror know as a Flerkin is pulled directly from Captain Marvel (2014) #7-8. Carol reigniting the sun is also from the comics but it’s from Captain Marvel: The End (2020) by Kelly Thompson. You might be right that this feels disjointed because it was cut for tone, but it could also be that the writers were pulling the best moments from the comics without creating a good narrative to structure them around. I would have liked to see them adapt the first arc in the 2014 DeConnick series, the one where she helps a bunch of alien revolutionaries overthrow the Galactic Alliance against the Avengers orders. Or any of Kelly Thomson arcs where she works alongside her friends to take down a tyrant. My personal favorite being the Roosevelt Island “mad max” revolution arc in Captain Marvel (2019) #1-5.

[@kevin10001]

It feels like even though I have not seen the movie and have no interest in ever seeing it that a lot of exposition was cut from the movie in favor of trying to maintain marvel’s more at this point overused humorous tone and it makes the narrative incoherent I don’t mind a more campy tone in comic book movies my all time favorite movie Batman is campy but it still works narratively unlike this movie seems to so it would be interesting to see an extended version or a Snyder cut version of this movie to see what could have been and if it fixes some of the issues in the version we got unlike the Snyder cut that doesn’t make justice league any better in my opinion

[@arubinojr5670]

8:50: Well I have to ask then. Chapter 1 of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume III, patterned on The Threepenny Opera. Yay or nay? (Admittedly I haven't really seen a musical episode of a comic book before or since.)

[@Flexor35]

I also watched The Marvels for the first time this week (one of the benefits of having to rest, while fighting a cold). One of the things I did enjoy and I'm not sure if it was brought up, was that we got to see some more motion from Captain Marvel. Something that I felt was lacking from her other appearances.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Wdym more motion like more fight scenes to showcase her powers?

[@Siansonea]

I enjoyed this movie for what it was, but I was very disappointed by how they wrote the villain. Dar-Benn could have been as compelling as Zemo from _Civil War,_ but instead she was more like Malekith from _The Dark World._ Missed opportunity, and the movie deserved better. Loved Kamala Kahn, liked Monica and Carol quite a bit. Always nice to see Nick Fury. And kitties, can't go wrong with kitties. I would have like to have seen a little more depth in the Kamala/Carol/Monica interaction, it was mostly played for the laughs, but there was something there they could have developed. Carol trying to live up to an impossible ideal, Kamala and Monica coming to terms with Carol not being perfect, and Kamala coming to terms with the darker side of being a hero-that you can't save everyone, and you will look death in the face on a regular basis. All themes that just didn't make it out of the writers' room for whatever reason. I feel like the blueprint for a better movie is visible in this end product, and that makes me a bit sad. All the ingredients were there, but the recipe omitted a couple of steps. They really needed another two rounds of redrafts at least. One just to hammer out the villain storyline/arc, and the other to cement the themes and dynamics of the Carol/Monica/Kamala relationship and really deal with the fallout of Monica disappearing. Stuff has to make sense, even in this bizarre comic book context.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Same!

[@theboulder027]

The editing was choppy, i feel like yon rogg shouldve just been the villain again, and i find it baffling that they killed the supreme intelligence off screen. But yeah this movie wasnt bad.

[@Thed538dhsk]

I agree with your points made but imo it's one of the worst mcu films. Imo it doesn't feel finished due to the editing. Feels so rushed. I even like the singing planet and flerken kitties

[@nairrdlairrd]

I went in (also at home cuz I couldn’t be bothered to see it in theaters) expecting a bad movie. It certainly isn’t that. I had fun with it. But the greater problem is that superhero movies these days are too often just fun instead of great.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Wdym?

[@JenniferKlumpp]

Aladna is absolutely in the comics and was pretty much exactly the same, though in the plot in the comic there was an interstellar rock star involved.

[@Starbush69]

Well, I gave the new Indiana Jones movie a chance. Might do the same for this one. 😂

[@1monki]

I think Captain Marvel had more depth. It had a lot to say that most people missed completely because of the silliness surrounding its release. This film is a crowd-pleaser. It should've switched places with GotG3 because it's a better summer, take your kids to the movies film. GotG3 was heavier and fit better in the fall.

[@that_morrigan6184]

A pleasant feel good romp I can have on in the background while ironing. 10/10 would chuckle again

[@Chaedron1]

Yeah, I saw this on Disney plus a few weeks ago and was presently surprised! And I agree, Kamala Khan' s actress is the real highlight and when her family comes in it is such a fun dynamic. It makes we sad that we probably won't get a second season with a better script that is better paced and does the character justice. I loved the singing people, that was an out there idea but it works and it reminded me a bit of Bollywood musicals because the culture was so flamboyant like you'd see in a musical. It really reminded me more of Guardians of the Galaxy or Thor: Ragnarok , more than say, Winter Soldier or Avengers: Endgame. Although it wasn't on that level unfortunately, it was light hearted and fun which I enjoy those types of Marvel movies than the more serious ones. And Spoiler alert: I'm surprised you didn't talk more about the Flerken(SP?) scene, I thought that was hilarious and it was a clever way to resolve that sequence in the movie. It was a highlight for me honestly.

[@Tuaron]

That spoiler part is where I have the most mixed feelings about the movie: I didn't really like the way that storyline rolled out (looked obvious an would've been better if the problems stemmed from the villain, not random coincidence) but I did love the wrap-up, that was a fun bit.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Why did you choose to watch this film on Disney +?

[@Chaedron1]

Well I'm pretty picky of the movies I go to see at the Theater and it got generally bad reviews so I avoided it. I have Disney+ because I like both Marvel and Starwars as well as all the old Disney movies so it is a good streaming service to me. @@Thed538dhsk

[@Chaedron1]

True they could've tied that event more too the Villain of the film. But how it wrapped up was hilarious even though it was an obvious set up and who doesn't like kittens? @@Tuaron

[@Tuaron]

@@Chaedron1 Exactly. I didn't think it was the best lead up, but what it led to was great, thoroughly enjoyed it. As mentioned in the video, it feels like a movie that goes for tone over the best story move, but I don't mind (and they still have some really good character moments).

[@bobmathis-friedman6742]

It was like watching a Doctor Who episode with super-powers! LOVED IT!!!

[@andrewklang809]

Woulda worked great as a 6-episode TV show, but big budget superhero movies have such a high bar to meet, this just wasn't it.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What do you feel this film was lacking to meet that high bar?

[@andrewklang809]

@@Thed538dhsk Pacing, giving everyone their time. Tone-wise, a single musical episode would have been far from original, but it woulda worked fine (the songs were fun, if truncated). Monica wasn't given enough time. And, I hate to say, audiences don't go to the big screens for comedy anymore. They want pure spectacle/Splosions. This film needed time to breathe, focus on the chemistry of its three leads (and Fury, and the Flurkin). The MCU seriously disrupted all expectations for "team up" movies. If you're bringing previous characters together for a a team-up, you gotta be epic. This film didn't want that. Marvel should have seen it coming. This was a film built around chemistry. After Infinity War and Endgame, that Rubicon had been crossed.

[@rebeccasam3434]

This was the first MCU film I've been totally on board with since Multiverse of Madness. I've loved most of the shows, but the 4 previous shows have been good by action film standards, but lacking by MCU standards for me.

[@kellyloganme]

What I think happened in the writer's room was: Okay, MCU wants to reveal Kamala's bangle is one of the Nega-bands. The bracelets that Mar-Vell had that would swap him and Rick Jones out of the Negative Zone? Would that mean someone is going to be stuck off screen for a bunch of scenes? Yeah. . .? But we need to tie into the villain. We give the other 'bangle' to the villain, and she wants Kamala's. So Kamala will get stuck in the Negative Zone? That seems like a clunker, we really need her to be in all the scenes as the kid standin. Okay, what if no Negative Zone, they just switch places? Kamala and the villain? That seems to distance the heroes. No, just the heroes switch places! No negative zone! Everybody's here but the heroes switch places. Because they are all energy users, we say their powers are synced up, that way they aren't popping back and forth while they're taking, just when they're using their powers. Doesn't the villain have energy powers too? Shut up, no, doesn't matter I've got something here. (Seriously, I *just* realized, watching this vid, that the body switching thing is a call back to the old Eon pal-ing Mar-Vell. I don't know how I missed that the whole movie.😅)

[@TheLunarboy4]

You know, the Marvels had just the right amount of silly for me, cuz the last few Thor movies were not my humor. But this one was just right, and Kamalah really did carry this movie. I hope she got PAID

[@maatcrook6910]

I enjoyed the movie. And I’m a fan of all 3 main characters! At the same time, having more time to explore the characters would have improved the areas of the movie that felt rushed and unclear. A mini series or tv show could have given enough time to spotlight every Marvel, especially Monica who doesn’t have solo movie or tv titles. It could have time to better establish the connection between Capt and her husband. We could have seen the horrible mistake she made, how it affected the Kree, given us more tension from knowing consequences were coming, shown us why Capt is who she is at the beginning, and given more satisfaction if we’d had a clue of villains who might be involved. And we could have had time to better explain why they switch and when they CAN use their powers without switching. You helped me understand better and maybe a 2nd viewing when my focus isn’t croakus would help. Still, I’m glad it was made and I want more MCU stuff that breaks out of the sameness I feel watching the other films.

[@oneoftheorder]

I feel like the good version of this film needed to lean really heavily into Captain Marvel as the villain from the start, somehow showing us what she did on Hala, its consequences, and a remorseless/self-justifying attitude from Carol in the interim, only eventually undercut by seeing herself through Kamala's eyes. Basically, pull Captain Marvel's (the film's) twist in reverse, making Carol the villain that has brought unjustifiable harm and suffering to the Kree. That film almost certainly couldn't maintain the functional light tone of this version, though. My 9yo daughter loved it. This and Thor L&T seem to work pretty well if you're a kid, so at least someone is getting good value from it as it. I hope the end credits scene isn't addressed exclusively in Deadpool, because that will probably not be the next Marvel film she sees. Most of the very loud and public complaints don't seem to get at anything that really fails to work in the film except a general sense of poor writing.

[@ItsMeHarry]

Honestly I feel like my feelings towards this film are very similar to mine of The Eternals. Both are pretty decent, not anything special by any means, but aren't home runs and so got a LOT of negative reception (at least on release). I did see people a couple months back saying how they liked this film now after it came to Disney+, but I think it's overall just a fairly fun (if a little boilerplate) Marvel film

[@Sara_TheFatCultureCritic]

Yeah, it needed more time in the script drafting to match the tone and the structure, but I just enjoy spending time with Kamala and her family.

[@koji6745]

It was literally not that bad, not mindblowing but not bad. But yknow, men™

[@stevetayler9518]

I really like it. Whimsical suggestion ….imagine if this had been in segments and was actually Ms Marvel Series 2 I feel it would fit the fun, sillier, less impactful tone.

[@lewisthellama2569]

Man what a fun movie. The singing planet was awesome. The lyrics are hilarious too, Brie Larson singing about an upcoming invasion

[@dawgy444]

I loved this movie, yes it had its problems, but I really enjoyed it. I even got the DVD when it was released.

[@Billy01113]

Totally agree 100% for a change 😄

[@gobatron6589]

Also finally saw this this weekend. I was actually looking forward to this one and interaction between the three main women but I did not enjoy thought it was really weak. The musical planet was so random.

[@theragnarokchronicles3074]

Oh I adored this film when I saw it in the cinema (although indeed was still confused in a couple of places when we suddenly seemed to have skipped something in the plot)

[@frunobulaxthepoodle5334]

You nailed it. This is simply the most fun I've had at an MCU movie in a very long time.

[@arielsteinsaltz1956]

They confirmed that it was longer and they cut it after Ant Man did badly.

[@user-ef7kt5sf6o]

Its sadly well known that this movie had 2 different third acts filmed and a lot of the Aladna planet was cut

[@thelibrarianofalexandria6200]

I saw it in theatrs. For me its among my Top 5. I had a blast, loved Aldana, flerkins, Kamala, the cameos everything honestly.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Mcu Kamala reminds me a lot of dc booster good in many ways.

[@furynotes]

I like it more than Captain Marvel. I don't think its a bad movie. Its just not what some people want in a Marvel Movie. I think the people saying that this gives Female led movies a stigma. It's bad faith on the current online narrative of Hollywood. I have the 4k steel book. The only thing I don't like is the amount of extra's and behind the scenes. Its not enough.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What did you like the most in this film? Why do you feel this film has the bad faith arguments?

[@cyrussoxlegion]

I loved it. No lie. 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@Thed538dhsk]

What did you love most in this film?

[@cyrussoxlegion]

​@@Thed538dhsk I'll do you two better, here are three: 1)I loved the performances 2)the dynamics between the three characters 3) I also liked that Captain Marvel was coming face to face with herself being the main reason the villain exists. I liked that, because for all of Carol's superpowers, those powers can still create the things that like Ultron said, we fear the most.

[@1monki]

The musical scene was from the Captain Marvel comics. It was from VOL. 2 Stay Fly, I think. So were the Flerken kittens. In the comics, it was a rhyming planet, but the idea was the same. This was a very comic-book movie.

[@Jay32954]

I found this movie to be a dull, paint-by-numbers affair. The only interesting parts were, Kamala Khan meeting her hero, and at one point standing up to her, and the mid-credits scenes, which looked like they were setting up way more interesting stuff.

[@Jay32954]

Also, the stuff with Kamala's family wasn't anything we didn't already see in her show. Also also, Jackson does the best he can, with the mediocre material.

[@ohleander02]

I loved The Marvels.

[@joh2434]

This was the last film I saw at the cinema, the ticket was free and it was ok. Not great, not not awful.

[@Thed538dhsk]

What did you like and dislike in this film?

[@joh2434]

@@Thed538dhsk it was a fun brain-out superhero movie but it was a bit formulaic

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@joh2434 what did you like about this film?

[@calebleland8390]

I watched this a couple of weeks ago, and I really enjoyed it. I'm so tired of the angry fanboys who screamed about how bad this was (you know, "The MCU/Star Wars/Doctor Who is dead!!"). Maybe I'm wrong, but ut entertained me, and that's all I asked of it.

[@DavidBeddard]

I thought it was fine. Not bad, not great, just fine. I agree, when it's at its best it shines, but the plot is generic, the villain is forgettable and monotone, and it's a sequel to a better movie about taking down the Great Intelligence (or whatever the heck it was called, even this movie barely cares) that never happened (maybe because of Covid). What I would say its favour that wasn't something you picked up on, Vera, is that I really liked the ending: Captain Marvel restarting the dying star. A hero facing the consequences of their actions with magnanimity. My only note about it would be that I'd have liked it more if the antagonist had survived, and had relented; they didn't need to become best buddies, but a first step towards reconciliation would have been nice. Personally, I'm rather tired of the irredeemable, monomaniacal villian trope. I'd like to see more narratives about successfully letting go of old animosity rather than forever depicting that one side has to defeat the other. Our culture needs to learn, and the media we consume influences us, especially from an early age. That said, there's also something to be said for not glorifying villains. Thanos was originally too sympathetic; there's a risk of both-sides-ism. 🤷‍♂️ Life is complex, this Marvel superhero movie is enjoyable filler to drown out the noise and pain. But it's definitely a filler episode. It doesn't stand on its own.

[@Thed538dhsk]

I actually think the right wing sjw's didnt dislike this film as much as 2019 film?