The Marvels Was Doomed From The Start

Now that it's obvious The Marvels was a box office bomb, with the worst opening weekend of any MCU movie ever, its time to figure out who's to blame. And of course, the excuses are already coming thick and fast. But who or what is really responsible for this film's failure?
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[@jeffromaddox5778]

The Marvels is the WNBA of movies. The audience it was geared towards didn't see it so the audience it wasn't geared towards is getting blamed for it's financial failure

[@ephraimwinslow]

You went full Rapinoe. Never go full Rapinoe.

[@VioletDeathRei]

Just like the WNBA the majority of people who saw this movie were men trying to make them feel better.

[@drdassler]

Same with everything. Men make something successful. A small percentage of women want a piece & insist it be pushed towards all women. Women who have already proved they weren't interested.

[@Will-ei6eu]

Couldn't have said it any better.

[@BillyReplies]

It's Morbin' time, er, uh, Marvelin' time...

[@ROCCATEER92]

Speaking of The Incredible Hulks opening weekend: $55M in 2008 is worth $78.6M in 2023

[@therealzazaa]

Still not as great as I would’ve thought that movie was decent

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Man theyd love to have 78 million now opening this movie

[@jamescarr1265]

It actually wasn’t a bad movie tbf

[@nickrhodes6485]

True inflation is at least 30 percent.

[@haku8135]

And that movie only had a budget of 150 million. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ohhhhhh I'm depressed inside.

[@Chillin24Seven]

What the MCU failed to realize about their female characters was it’s not the superpowers that make audiences fall in love with a character. We fall in love with Peter Parker because of who he is as a person and then he gets superpowers. Their female characters are built around their powers not their personalities. Like we’re supposed to be impressed by what they can do not who they are.

[@ericboldger777]

I agree with this. Another perfect example of this might be Ironman. I don't think Ironman would be as popular as he was without such a robust origin. It caused us as audience members to side with Tony and fall in love with his quirky eccentricities. We also saw him shift from a weapons dealer to a hero which was huge for character development. And of course, RDJ helped flush out the character and made it his own. I just don't understand how Hollywood hasn't figured this out yet.

[@intelligentbodywork]

It was sabotaged by design. Create hatred and division, people are alone, they watch more porn. Disney's biggest cash cow is ppv porn in hotels around the world. /follow the money.

[@p.g.mcfinnigan4009]

I don't "fall in love" with a character, that's moronic, I'm entertained by good characters, and enjoy a positive message and/or good humor with some action thrown in.

[@CosmicSatanas23]

​@@p.g.mcfinnigan4009you're not as impressive as you think you are bud

[@aoki6332]

its the same issue whit Minority and representation the issue is not having them in the story is just the laziness of just making the character black and not changing anything else you could create a new character make some deep but nah you just decide to take this guys and now Its a black woman what did it change ? nothing

[@artinabunny1359]

I agree, especially how Hulk took 10 years to master being normal in his hulk body but She Hulk took no more than a minute... It really felt like they wanted to quickly cut to the chase and rush things

[@TerranTaro]

she hulk doesnt have the same issues as the hulk. Julk has a second entire being of anger and rage within him. She hulk doesnt have that other being, she is herself in both forms.

[@misekai6396]

@@TerranTaro This is a great reason for people familiar with the comics but if you have no background understanding of the underlying cause of hulk's shattered personality and why it is not shared by she hulk then it comes across cringe feminist propaganda. And the reality is that Disney wanted it to be cringe feminist propaganda.

[@khalidcloud4342]

@@TerranTaro They really didn't understand that what makes hulk an amazing loveable hero is the duality of man and beast, not a genius on both sides. A hero always needs a huge challenge within himself to overcome. Even the smug and overconfident tony had to overcome his shallowness and understand there is more to the world than he thought, but when it's a female hero, the only challenge she faces is "being accepted" and facing the patriarchy. This is why I loved Alitta battle Angel. The movie's heroin had real challenges of self identity, and she has feminine traits rather than musculine macho bs.

[@bigsmall246]

​​@@khalidcloud4342the exception to this is one punch man. But the writer actually nailed it in making the main character likeable and hilarious. It's sad how a guy drawing a manga in his own free time while working a full time job, managed to nail the concept better than all these highly-paid writers working for a billion-dollar company.

[@khalidcloud4342]

@@bigsmall246 OPM is a comic relief and doesn't take itself seriously as a manga/anime. Holywood writes serious characters with serious problems and serious life issues. Saitama is more comedy than challenge, and it's the comedy that makes it great rather than the challenge. Gintama is another anime with no serious plot (if there was ever any) and it's still much better than this.

[@darylchance9324]

'Nothing can threaten her' is completely right. This film featured so many fight scenes where the villains aren't a threat to our heroes. They brandished very powerful high tech weapons that were all set to "stun". I've seen characters in more danger in a Scooby-Doo cartoon.

[@dizzyheads]

I mean one of the characters that came on screen often did get killed off In Scooby Doo that is

[@Sercil00]

They make their male characters emasculated and pathetic. They must also lose to women in absolutely every conceivable competition, including minor arguments, unless the man cheats. At the same time, the villains are mostly men, because putting anyone else in that role would be "bad representation" and make people hate certain demographics, but somehow this isn't a problem when it's white men. Then you end up with a weak villain who can't keep up with the hero.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Hey, Zombie Island had threat.

[@RelatvityUnset]

@@jonbaxter2254Speaking of, I need to re-watch that movie.

[@christimacc]

For example, the Endgame scene in which Danvers destroyed Thanos' giant spaceship while resisting its tremendous barrage of laser fire, only to need the help of all of the women to fly twenty feet over the heads of the opposing army to carry the gauntlet one mile to the van. I thought to myself: She'll be just fine without that help.

[@sunneinsplendour8459]

And the irony is that, as women, many of us don't want to see any of these films that are supposedly directed at us.

[@asura8495]

it's like making romantic comedies for men. Some guys will like it but not too many. and of course the identity of the character is the main point; plot, dialogue, character development will all suck

[@pistonburner6448]

The whole point is cultural appropriation. Yes, after leftists have screamed at everyone for years about "cultural appropriation" where there was none, as usual it is they who are the ones guilty of what they accuse others of! Their whole aim is to culturally appropriate and invade everything that others have developed. Leftist women want to capture/invade/appropriate all male culture. All male sports. Leftist LGBTQ+ want to invade and own everything straight people do. White leftists have even captured complaining about racism toward black people... They are totally out of control and want to dominate, invade and own absolutely everything. Insatiable greed and envy, they'll do ANYTHING they can for more POWER. They tell us their quest for power over others is their whole purpose in life even through remakes of classic Disney movies, Rachel Zegler and Gal Gadot happily told us that on the red carpet!

[@luminaraunduli2791]

Yes! And I've been hearing about theater workers and e-ticket reportings that the vast majority of viewers were men! And they still choose to blame the group that was actually going to see it, and not their target group who have no interest in this crap fire😂!

[@sup9542]

It all comes from the anti-biology philosophy (feminism) that any differences between men and women are due to socialization, women being told they're not good enough and can't do it. Unless it's an area where women are doing better than men, then it's just because women are naturally better than men. But if women are lagging in anything, even something meaningless like they aren't watching as many action movies, it's because the patriarchy is keeping them down.

[@AvionInfinity]

That is what is so fundamentally misguided about all of this, comic books and their adjacent properites, are 80-90% male hobbies. Sacrificing your male audience to court a female audience that doesn't care seems pretty stupid in retrospect.

[@Mister_Clean]

"Superhero Fatigue" quite literally only exists in Hollywood. Some of the best selling manga, anime, and comics in this day and age are superhero works. My Hero Academia, One Punch Man, the (MASSIVELY POPULAR) player genre in Korea... Like seriously, you have no idea how popular that shit is. There are studios pumping out stories about superhumans daily, because the demand (in both the east and the west) is so high. Nobody will ever, ever get tired of well-written super powered humans. That's a Marvel and DC scriptwriter problem.

[@eycasual]

No wonder why the comics seem to do better

[@mysticdragonwolf89]

What killed Marvel as a character was after the fight with Jude Law. She offered a hand to him. I thought they were going to do the “hey I know we became enemies but we were friends too.” He takes the hand. Next scene of her DRAGGING him across the ground… I was like bruh….what was the point. You could’ve had a character moment for both of them! But this was literally a director taking their view of men and dragging it in the dirt…and we are supposed to laugh?

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

It's a great point, your movie is going to alienate it's core audience if the directors you hire have like a pathological hatred of the target demographic.

[@giusepperana6354]

THAT was what killed it for you? You found absolutely no other issue with the movie? Damn. I'm amazed anyone can manage to watch that thing for more than 10 minutes.

[@mysticdragonwolf89]

@@giusepperana6354 You could say I was either in denial or just thinking there was more to it that the character development was just around the corner- nope. This scene was the final nail.

[@michaelnkomphela8231]

@@giusepperana6354 I watched it for the cat =2 years after it was screened.

[@JimBob-lv8ps]

how are so many feminists and gay men in charge of these billion dollar movies makes no sense I guess it is hollywood

[@yoshi314]

"Do our movies suck?" "No, it's the audience who are wrong"

[@rustythecrown9317]

We're so wrong , we'll drive them to bankruptcy.

[@MrE_]

Sounds like the way people tried defending certain Snyder "masterpieces". Marvel went downhill too

[@FDP1997]

I THREW UP IN MY MOUTH A LITTLE BIT JUST SEEING THE THUMBNAIL 👁👄👁👌🏼❤️

[@stoopidpursun8140]

The actors' strike definitely had an effect on why this movie only made $50 million. If Bree Larson had been out there in the public view, talking about the movie and herself, and lecturing everyone on how they were sexist if they didn't go witness her awesomeness, this movie could have easily cleared $35 million.

[@MINI-MYERS]

The fnaf movie made more...

[@MrVenona]

We should call this the "Rachel Zegler" effect!

[@ArariaKAgelessTraveller]

Who is this Brie Larson? All i see is self entitled narcissistic actress

[@MarctheDarc]

@@MrVenonaDunno, Brie Larson and Jennifer Lawrence got there before Rachel Zegler - but at the same time Ms. Zegler really took it to the next level. Maybe go with the "Lawrence Larson Zegler effect"? Sounds very scientific discovery -esque 🤣😂🤣

[@edwardgonzales1115]

35 million if this got promoted by Bree Larson? That's kind of a stretch. I'd say opening weekend at maybe 25 million, 10 million if Rachel zegler helped promote this because of her co girl boss

[@DBeMeNLV]

Was there anyone that thought this movie wouldn't flop??? If they gave away free tickets people still wouldn't go.

[@Rajin90]

Even with free tickets, my time is too precious to be wasted on movies like this one.

[@tobiasbinsar8054]

I mean bruh i live on a apartment next to a movie theater and in my country it only cost around 2$ to watch a movie, i still didnt watch the movie despite being a marvel fanboy😅

[@gamermixy.t3664]

There are some stupidd people who don't know about movies but they just give positive opinions in instagram posts comments

[@Kush5avant]

@@tobiasbinsar8054only true marvel fans would decide not to go and support such garbage like this. If you wasted your time and money on supporting this film, you arent a true marvel fan that actually appreciates the art of story telling fr 😂

[@fusedexe2575]

@@tobiasbinsar8054 ima DC (i only watch batman) guy now. I remember when marvel used to be cool

[@Redpoppy80]

I love superheroes because they are mostly normal FLAWED people trying to do the right thing, sometimes failing really badly at it but they always try. But when the chips are down and everything has gone to pot and the world is on fire (literally), they pull themselves up time and again with little more than sheer willpower to find a way to save the day. People don't watch superhero movies to see people deconstructed, they watch them to see the best parts of a very flawed species do the seemingly impossible. BECAUSE... We want to believe that we can do the impossible too.

[@mikekelly1771]

It astonishes me that we got a movie that nobody wanted or asked for, and then the director calls fans toxic for not going to see it.

[@xuvial1391]

On the plus side, Drinker just reached a total of 8.5 million views across 5 videos talking about The Marvels. All these youtubers should be thanking Disney for giving them so much revenue.

[@philp1398]

It was actually a very good movie. But this country isn't mature enough to handle 3 female leads, one black and one Muslim. There is just too much ignorance

[@Mr.Ekshin]

@@philp1398 - Obviously this film (that appears to have been written by a nine year old girl) struck a chord with you. If things continue like this, you'll finally get your dream come true... a live-action "My Little Pony" film that has been 'reimagined' with lots and lots of rainbow community narratives.

[@Ricardo-ur5os]

@@philp1398the absolute irony of you preaching ignorance

[@madjiofcimmeria]

​@Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0000 It's unoriginal and been run into the ground.

[@KingVXLV]

This movie actually brought more people together to complain about Marvel and it got plenty of KZbinrs paid from the tons of content. Brava Marvels! The gift that keeps on giving.

[@VioletDeathRei]

My favorite part of every Disney release, the breakdowns and reviews.(each one more entertaining then years of Disney releases.)

[@RecklessInternetting]

The language autist in me appreciates your correct declension usage

[@Jay-jb2vr]

*And you're still broke, watching KZbin videos...*

[@siddhant8430]

The Marvel is far better than whole DCEU movies

[@fandomking8939]

​@@classicmicroscopy9498.2016 wants it's excuse back.

[@michaelshell8897]

Disney officially became the anti-Midas. Everything they touch turns from gold to rust

[@lukewilliams8548]

Another point on the girl boss archetype is that by pushing the men to the bottom, they're kind of implying that the women couldn't compete with them normally. Though you've probably brought it up in previous videos and there was no need to restate everything.

[@The4Tifier]

The biggest problem with these female superheroes is that they're just given incredible power that has no drawbacks. They don't earn it, deserve it, work towards mastering it, or have to face consequences for using their powers for selfish purposes. That's not the writing of a hero; it's the writing of villains.

[@copporn1615]

The moment I watched She-Hulk episode 1, I already knew this thing would happen, and MCU project is heading into failure

[@Mereologist]

In her first movie, Catpain Marvel liked to just destroy nearby objects to make a point of how cool she was. I always thought, "Someone owns that and is making payments on it. You just wrecked an innocent person's life." And she seemed completely unaware of how many lives she was destroying for kicks. Superman would be embarrassed by such a performance.

[@drews0n]

The psychology of modern women- thinking they deserve the world just for existing. If they don’t, it’s because of someone or something else. Wokeness allowed women not taking accountability and cranked it up to 100.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@Mereologist I legit thought that MCU Captain Marvel was an anti-hero.

[@oozingtulip1534]

famously no male superhero has ever had this problem in movies and it's only women /s

[@DominicZelenak]

The main reason the writers/producers/creators are so angry at the people that ridicule their garbage movies and their unlikable characters is because the characters' personalities are just reflections of themselves. The have no depth or ability to write in anyone different because they are narcissists. Now they have to live with the fact that people don't like their shit movies and characters, and by extension themselves.

[@sew_gal7340]

One of the reasoins why pride is so poisonous...it leaks into everything

[@calvinjohnstone2664]

I am starfire springs to mind 🤢

[@flomojo2u]

Precisely. There are far too many self-inserts into movies and games these days, and between the lackluster performance and obnoxious power-tripping it doesn't take long to completely wreck any chance at success once these characters arrive. I don't know you, I don't like you, please go away.

[@BusterNoggins]

Put a chick in it and make her gay!

[@AshrakAhmed]

well that's why the WGA strike happened recently! These self entitled people knew that AI could easily write the hot garbage they write and do it better and faster and cheaper, so they went crying to mommy to ban AI in script writing to keep their job! At this point I would rather see what story the AI comes up with then these entitled morons.

[@emmon5377]

Huge flop from Captain Karen

[@jaykellin3639]

If we really had superhero fatigue, Loki wouldn't have succeeded, especially the beautiful season 2 of Loki. Lack of taking responsibility for their mistakes and improving from it is why Marvel is failing hard now

[@bujharvard9313]

I argued with a deluded twat on Facebook about this. She cited superhero fatigue and the inability for the actors to promote the movie as its reasons for failing. Superhero fatigue just means that people are going to skip the ones that look shitty, whereas before they went to see everything. As for the lack of promotion, Disney knew there was an actors' strike. They knew the actors weren't going to be promoting the movie. They should have known that they had to adapt their marketing as a result. But they didn't. They just bombarded us with trailers and commercials that made the movie look shitty. It is a failure on every level. I just saw it on the weekend. Not a good movie.

[@zenoohshit5498]

Well tbh I think a lot of people are going through super hero fatigue, but i don’t think that’s why this movie failed.

[@gamescgg6864]

@@zenoohshit5498Me personally I love superhero movies, but Marvels is just a bad movie

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@zenoohshit5498 I think the phrase "super hero fatigue" is just a meme'd way of saying: "We made too many bad movies like this." If every single superhero movie was as good as like Infinity War, there would be no "Superhero fatigue." It's not like the genre is broken, it's that too many of these movies are bad so people aren't inherently interested anymore. They wait and see if it's a good one or not.

[@Aavash_Purple]

Yeah at this point Loki is the only thing carrying Marvel studio in their shoulders

[@guilhermehank4938]

I still remember when girls looked down on nerds that liked comics. Now we are just suppose to pretend they were always mega fans.

[@shazmodeus2795]

IKR, I'm old enough to remember that in middle school and high school it was an unspoken understanding that you did not talk about video games, tabletop, or comics in school where a girl or a jock could overhear it.

[@DrMantisToboggan2005]

This ☝🏽

[@doughbafett]

Same with Star Wars. When I was a kid, you had to hide the fact that you were really into that franchise depending on who you were hanging out with. Now Disney thinks they can make it into an IP for women?!

[@ITSAHARDNUGLIFE]

Yup, and if you did people would gossip it to everyone so you were then "labeled"

[@mateoreyes6921]

@@shazmodeus2795 Don't forget anime

[@CookiehsAndDreams]

As a woman, I think a lot of these writers tend to view female strength through one individual lens: strength = no emotion, no empathy, a don't need no man attitude, and of course unrealistic, Mary Sue levels of physical strength. Strength shouldn't be solely defined as beating up 100 bad guys and not breaking a sweat, there's more to it than that, like compassion, empathy, and being vulnerable. Empowering women shouldn't come at the expense of degrading men or making them so non-human that they're essentially just rocks.

[@dbsthumper]

hear,hear...

[@tankerd1847]

It all breaks down to the point that they have a hard time accepting that men and women are fundamentally different. The best female characters not only kick ass and save the day, they're also good at being women and being womanly. It's like these psychotic feminists are so obsessed with the schoolyard "Anything you can do, I can do better." taunt that they've forgotten to be good at what women are already better at.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

I believe writers like these in particular view typical female traits as inherently weak, so they write women like men.

[@Sarackosmo]

I'll be damned, couldn't have worded it better if I tried.

[@jshooper7819]

You've unintentionally described modern feminism as well.

[@olliea6052]

My default setting now, is to not watch any movies or tv shows. Its like the tv doesn't exist. Only if i hear about some show or movie online that shows promise, will i give it a chance. Which is becoming rare now.

[@mysticdragonwolf89]

SAME! I hear a new Ghibli film was released, so there’s motivation to go see it XD XD

[@Ganara426]

same

[@punnisher7015]

Regardless of the MCU or "superhero fatigue" or unlikeable actors, a lot of people still would have forgiven these and seen it if they could just manage to give us a decent story again for once. It seemed like the writers were hell-bent on making the plot as uninteresting as possible. Every time I thought, "Wow, that's a cool choice that should make for some interesting conflict..." it was immediately resolved or never spoken of again. On the first planet where the Skrull refugees are, I was actually drawn in when Ms Marvel went back to try and save more of them, holding up the collapsing structures while they ran for the ships even after being ordered back. Captain Marble just commanded her to break off again, and she immediately did, even though she was actually doing a good job of saving a number of those people at the time. I thought to myself, "wow, actual drama! A teenager is never going to take that lying down. It should be cool to see how this plays out!" Instead of having a "disappointed by your hero" moment and allowing the bonds of the group to be stressed by Kamala's anger at Carol in an interesting way, it's resolved with a ten-second "you can't save 'em all" speech and everything is immediately treated as if it's hunky-dory again. There were a number of those kinds of events I thought would be interesting that were allowed to be nothing-burgers. I can forgive casting an unlikeable actress. I can forgive bad CGI or overused tropes. I can't forgive seeing setups that interest me that are NEVER satisfyingly paid off over and over again during the course of the whole movie. About the only one that worked the way they foreshadowed it was the flur-kittens... which was probably the only scene of the movie I honestly laughed at.

[@user-xg5ci4dq8m]

You can tell a movie is gonna bomb when everyone is more excited for the reviews than the actual film

[@jonathanfox676]

Haven’t watched a marvel movie since the first avengers. Not my style. I did see the last Spider-Man and it was ok. I didn’t like all the multiverse and spells shit, like why am I doing math in the middle of a movie? But seeing Tobey Mac was cool love that dude

[@zomkino]

ah i saw that comment a few days ago, i thought i had a Mandela effect and was watching it again, but no we're good, it's just the usual copy/pasted comments.

[@rafiulamin2763]

Let's face it - we were looking forward to The Critical Drinker's review of The Marvels more than we were looking forward to watching The Marvels

[@natethegr8230]

Who was looking forward to watching The Marvels?!

[@indigo0977]

True! After all, I'm actually watching this video. I have no intention of watching the movie.

[@rafiulamin2763]

@@natethegr8230 The lady who gave it an 8/10 on IGN, for starters XD

[@MorrisseyMuse]

Nah, it's too lazy and dull of him to be entertaining

[@danieladamczyk4024]

For me MauLer is the best thing about Marvel films.

[@kuribayashi84]

Something I find suspicious: The wikipedia-List of biggest box-office bombs does not contain a single 2023-release right now. _Dial of Destiny_ has been on that list for a short while but has been deleted at some point in the last weeks...

[@Panwere36]

Wait till Rachel Zegler's "Sandy Beige" flops.. and then both that director and Iger will have to explain how both *_Captain Marvel/Cosmic Karen_* and *_Barbie_* really got those high box office numbers.. when reality screams it isn't possible.

[@unstablenecrophage278]

I hope they keep making these movies. Seeing Disney lose money is my number 1 sport.

[@realtruenorth]

👏👏👏💪🙌

[@estuard9830]

yup, if Disney makes money from movies like this, they'll keep making someshtt like THIS

[@jason-ps3jw]

😅😅😅😅, they got a lot of yes-man’s around shitty movies like this lol, I can’t believe that when they be having meetings, the most folks in the meeting don’t say hey guys I think this movie SUCKS, we should rewrite it

[@vulc1]

It was a good movie. Not great but good. So yeah I hope they will make some more

[@Sina_TM]

😂😂😂

[@teux01]

It's amazing how much they panic when people simply don't buy their bullshit.

[@davidfiler7439]

Reported as you asked. @@YoungBoyNeverBorkeAgain

[@joaopedrobaggio4475]

People are waking up for life, and we can see that non-woke people are majority, even the media trying to make us think the opposite.

[@VITAS874]

@@Raya-ir4tm they don't and soon they will lost more. It's will be late to understand for them

[@ShawnFX]

@@joaopedrobaggio4475 I thought I was crazy seeing the BS online cause it really does look like those clowns are the majority. But I was happy to find out a lot more people in this world have working brains and we are the majority even though media makes it the opposite

[@gianthand8130]

You keep doing the same thing over and over and people will catch on(whether good or bad).

[@genikki]

For me, one of the best female characters is Xena. Sure sometimes they push it that she could beat someone up while literally dying, lol, but the show was never about women vs men, or that women can do all. It was about redemption. Xena was not perfect, she had a pretty dark past, and more than once she lost, to both men and women. Now even characters that we loved in the past are being pushed into this narrative that women are the best and perfect.

[@emmon5377]

Captain Karen gives MCU their biggest flop in history. A log has more personality and screen presence than Brie Larson.

[@paranoyd70]

You forgot one Drinker...The decision to label more than HALF of their consumers "racist", "sexist", "bigots", etc. Literally NOBODY wants to buy a product after they've been insulted. Its a major turn off. And as a business strategy, its beyond stupid.

[@deceiver444]

But apparently it's too hard for Disney Marvel to comprehend

[@spartanhawk7637]

I like to imagine that they have the entire accounting department tied up in a broom closet somewhere just to stop them from kicking down the board room doors.@@deceiver444

[@maninthecamohat2735]

If a restaurant was to serve me crappy food and I rightfully criticizes it and they say I'm being sexist or bigoted because it was a black women who cooked and they say I should support her food anyway even if it's bad I would just go somewhere else that's better simple as that.

[@FazeParticles]

nah it work to subjugate the consumers and make them obey because who wants to be seen as those insults?now it's we don't give af about their opinions of us because we're rebels but that don't mean they won't try to insult and label us tho. they will every chance they get.

[@JohnWall-lj1mx]

Those same writers that insult us will be begging for our support again when their contract from the strike expires in 3 years just watch

[@MUSHROOMRAT750]

Damn. This was sooooo real and true. I’m a woman. I do NOT feel powerful watching these women. Do you know what movie actually made me think women were cool as a kid? Mulan. She respected her father. Was attracted to a hot man. Was scared to death. Was weak at times. She was resilient. She was humble and sweet, but also completely badass because she NEEDED to be, not because she was enjoying “girl bossing”🙄🙄. I will forever love Mulan. (Animation anyway:: the new one was awful). Disney and Marvel have completely lost its heart.

[@brokenclock77]

Cartoon Mulan was so good, what a story to have as a kid. How far we've fallen

[@a.b.2405]

I freaking love Mulan! Honestly the live action movie should be considered a crime against humanity.

[@lacountess]

Same. Mulan was a glimpse of what could have been had Disney chosen to tell good stories about women and characters of colour instead of resorting to pandering.

[@koopa5504]

The cartoon Mulan was really good yes.

[@kimberly8266]

Fr!!

[@saintedheathen6182]

A hero needs a weakness, they need to struggle & overcome hard times. That's what makes them interesting

[@andrewpalmer1873]

I’m not a big super hero fan, but the trailer for this movie looked like Saturday morning cartoon. Why would I go watch it?

[@andrewpalmer1873]

@@breadandcircuses8127 trailer, to be clear, trailer. You know the “woah there's a mix-up, how we gonna beat the bad guys in the wrong body!” type of thing. Again, not talking about the actual movie.

[@Isnogood12]

How to write a good female character: Don't. Write a good character. If someone is a scientific prodigy, show it to us and tell us how they got that level of knowledge. Sigourney Weaver wasn't a warrior in Alien, she was just another crewmember. When they showed her being able to use a powerloader in Aliens, it was not about showing off, but helping get a job done. When she fought the queen at the end of Aliens, it wasn't because she was better at it than the trained marines, it was because there was nobody else left and she HAD to do it. She didn't go with the marines at the start, dual wield katanas and run on walls to show off how amazing she was compared to MALE SOLDIERS but instead she was there to guide them because of, you guessed it, knowledge she had earned. Ellie Satler in Jurassic Park had studied years to be the top of her field, and she shoved it to us without having to put anyone down. She didn't need to make snide comments about how she was better at chaos theory than Jeff Goldblum, instead she immediately shoved her hands elbow-deep into dino poop to use her own merits. She didn't need to drop-kick a t-rex to be amazing.

[@shyguystudios3506]

She didnt have to dropkick a trex, but she did out run an "old" trex in a torn skirt and heels lol

[@aaronw5345]

@@shyguystudios3506Wrong movie. Satler was the original, not the Jurassic World slop that was served up.

[@forsociopoliticalstuff2629]

@@shyguystudios3506wrong movie and wrong character

[@SqueakingLion]

Although... it WOULD have been kinda cool seeing Ellie Satler drop-kick a t-rex. :) But she would have done it using the skills explained above that had been earned, not assumed. For her, drop-kicking a t-rex wouldn't have been Ellie going toe-to-toe with the most ferocious dinosaur ever known, viciously beating it to death with her girl-boss powers. She'd have done it using her exceptional knowledge of botany, likely using the poisonous plants she'd identified to make a goat toxic to the t-rex. THAT'S how you make a proper "strong, independent female"... not with combat skills and strength she couldn't realistically have, but with academic skills and talents she realistically could have.

[@lacountess]

Yes, also Ellie showed you could be an awesome member of the team without participating in a single fight. Some people are there for their brains, others to join the brawls, and there is nothing wrong with either of those. You don’t have to be all the things all the time.

[@MrCovi2955]

"Marvels flopped because men can't stand women in movies" -Barbie was the #1 box office hit this year "Superhero fatigue" -Guardians 3 did quite well, as did the latest spiderverse. "Actors strike in July!" -The Creator made decent money, and it was released in September when the strike was still actually causing problems for Hollywood There are literally examples proving why every one of those excuses are wrong.

[@luniz4209]

Five Nights at Freddy's is outperforming the Marvels at a tenth of the price tag and it was available streaming.

[@gianthand8130]

Even the Taylor Swift movie had bigger numbers.

[@littlemister96]

Put a chick in it and make her gay!

[@thomasbloxham247]

Eh, I think Barbie showed that women are a strong audience for movies, BUT, they want movies which are enjoyable for them and laser focused on THEIR nostalgia. They will then go a lot, and drag their partners along who (if the movie is tolerable) will kinda enjoy it too. Barbie showed that women want to see movies for them, and that men will put up with it. Barbie is for girls what Iron Man was for boys (albeit with a different flavor for the interpretation of the character). It shows that women don't have a desire to see their childhood mocked and thrown out, they want to see it respected and amplified. Barbie NEVER said there was anything wrong with being Barbie and playing with Barbie. It just showed that Barbie means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. The only thing WRONG with Barbie (Ken is a neglected afterthought, routinely dumped in the trash and left on he shelf) was treated as the Villain and defeated by the Barbies. Taylor Swift movie shows a similar thing. Stop trying to make boy nostalgia work for all women. Just, make a movie which ALWAYS respects the core audience first, and try and make it as good as you can while respecting that.

[@bubbajones5905]

They basiclly made a movie for 10-13 year old girls and then were surprized more men didn't show up.

[@jonrussell7567]

While she's not a big name now, I think Iman Velani could be of she's in the right role. She's didn't attack the fans, she's charming and while the character she plays in the movie is annoying she's the only one that had the ability to display any emotion. Aka, acting. The marvels is awful, but i hope it doesn't hurt Imans career. It's not her fault.

[@MrCovi2955]

Disney convinced itself that the reason why good directors and good writers were successful had nothing to do with their hard earned skills, and everything to do with them being given the unfair opportunity to make big budget flicks. So they got rid of everyone who knew what they were doing, hired in a bunch of diversity hires to prove that anyone can be a big success... and proved that maybe there is some skill required when it comes to crafting a compelling story.

[@lancesims8627]

This is the thing for sure

[@ymarascough1765]

That's the thing though; the person running everything is a prejudiced white lady. It's not about diversity and it never was; it's just about exercising prejudice from a perceived 'moral high-ground.'

[@maxpudlowski8820]

True dat

[@Sumirevins]

The only reason Disney doing the whole diversity/feminist thing is because they can get ranked high on ESG leaderboard and so investment firms give them money which they do based on the ESG rankings. You think mega corporations like Disney think for common folks because they don't they never did.

[@sabsyoutube241]

They hired the same people they were trying to pander too

[@Linklex7]

You know what the really scary thing is, well for Marvel at least? They were unopposed that weekend and still bombed. They could’ve been competing with Dune part 2. Had that movie not gotten delayed, Dune would’ve annihilated The Marvel in such devastating fashion. Feige needs to get on his knees and thank WB for delaying Dune part 2.

[@Badmunky64]

Yeah, I recall one bought out website saying "Marvels took the box office but still bombed"

[@sonofsandwiches6892]

And we will watch Dune Part 2 when it comes out. Probably won't be a blockbuster, but it at least will be watchable and the story is solid. What a low bar to meet.

[@LandStrider23]

​@@nero48no surprise there. Wb may be dumber than Disney. Maybe

[@HienNguyen-cs1md]

@@user-xg4ym5bh6z Still a million times easier to watch than this piece of crap.

[@vast9467]

@@user-xg4ym5bh6z tell us you don’t know what dune is about without telling us

[@Puggy42069]

“Superhero Fatigue” is a manufactured term to justify bad writing and poor movie directing. Invincible is a superhero show which is Amazons most popular series. Thereby proving just because it’s a superhero related media, does not inherently mean people are disinterested in the genre.

[@Echo2-2]

I genuinely believe that the big budgets Marvel likes to flaunt for their products has at least 40 or 60% laundered because given how cheap they all look recently

[@ge2719]

well even when they aren't laundering the money, theyre still getting paid a salary. the director, the writers, the actors, the props department, the costume department, the catering department, theyre all hollywood workers being paid to do their jobs. then if the movie bombs theres a level of insurance and tax relief they can benefit from as a company that allows them to continue to pay all the employees. the issue is unions. all the regulations and bloat around what is required to make these films. the massive wages the lead actors get, and all their expenses. heating the green screen studios, feeding everyone. it all adds up, but most of it is cost that you don't see in the result on the screen. then they screw the cgi companies every way they can, because of all the costs incurred due to the unions....

[@mac1991seth]

It looks cheap, because there's very little planning and conceptualizing involved. If you look up concept art for Endgame and Infinity War, you can see that there was a solid plan for some story beats. This meant the CGI team knew what they had to animate and put together, still frame after still frame. There was no room for "they fight for 15 minutes" or "she flies for 60 seconds", fight scenes had to be choreographed ahead of time and were integral part of the story, so everything had to match.

[@johngoldsworthy7135]

No it just goes to executives

[@SunwardRanger83]

It's an interesting theory, but from what I hear it's actually because the higher ups like to make changes right up until the last minute and rely on reshoots to fix any problems. You just can't redo a significant chunk of a movie right before release and expect it to look good.

[@sew_gal7340]

@@mac1991seth brilliant viewpoint!

[@LaVeyCharkusVeros]

I think the saddest part is that this film wasn't competing against any other. If Dune 2 hadn't been delayed and it had come out around the same time, at least The Marvels would have had the excuse of it taking away some of its public attention, but The Marvels failed by and on its own in all regards.

[@slayermill8621]

Well some are blaming the writer's strike. Anything to draw attention away from the failures from top to bottom of the people making this trash.

[@animefangirl5271]

I was gonna say five nights at Freddy’s but then i realized that whilst it came out a week ago in France, it has been out for two in the US, so they really don’t have an excuse to use at all

[@Martin-yh7vi]

​@@slayermill8621lmao the Writer's strike was happening even during the opening of Barbie and Oppenheimer. And I agree, they absolutely have no excuses. But would they learn a lesson from this? Not really I suppose, I just feel bad for some of the actors. Welp, a job is a job even if it was a sinking ship from the start.

[@futuza]

@@slayermill8621 TBF, bad writing is this films #1 biggest problem, so not having writers to write is going to have predictable results - it's still an excuse though because if you didn't have writers, *you should have stopped production and waited until you did*.

[@jonbaxter2254]

It has no excuses now. That's a good thing...

[@kuromaki6226]

Character and Story progression is what makes people love movies and the characters. Characters that don't change usually don't get that much of love since those characters are usually the background character's job

[@curiousconsultant7922]

What is so ironic about this one is that even the women in my social circle and their own extended social circles (i.e. lots of women) have told me they have 0 interest in going to see that. There is NO audience for the She-boss power fantasy. My own boss, who is a woman herself and very competent and self-made wouldn't waste 2 hours watching a thing like that, it's practically satirical and borderline insulting at this point.

[@totalwartimelapses6359]

I really don't see how this movie was about "She boss power fantasy" I watched it in order to enjoy some videos on youtube mocking it, and yeah the movie is mid-to-bad But I really didn't get this feeling that it was about "girl boss power" or whatever, the villain is literally a female, a black one too, and the women themselves have a reason to be doing the fighting themselves since they are connected to the plot in one way or another Again how is this female power fantasy, when it's just women fighting each other? is it because it includes Brie fucking Larson?

[@chrisandrews3979]

Lets not forget that the reason Disney bought Marvel in the first place was because they wanted a product line that appealed to a male audience. Funny how they then decided to change that product to appeal more to a female audience, something that it was never meant to be.

[@laurocoman]

Isn't that the same reason they bought Lucasfilm? To get boys and men to buy their products, go to their theme parks and see their films/shows? Then they killed the MAIN CHARACTER of the franchise and replaced him with a loaf of bread. Terminator did the same. This sh*t keeps failing and they keep doing it.

[@mac1991seth]

Marvel and Lucasfilm. Two production companies that cater(ed) largely to boys and geeks. They wanted to diversify their portfolio just to immediately put a chick in it and make it ghey and lame.

[@Derin7890]

​@@mac1991sethkekw

[@SunwardRanger83]

They seem to have this weird idea that if they buy something that appeals to one group, then try to adapt it to cater to other groups, all the while failing enough that it doesn't appeal to anyone, that the original fans will just keep paying their money to watch the new things. That only works until the original fans realize that the thing they loved is dead and gone, and the new stuff will never get back to what they actually liked.

[@sebastianemond5313]

Disney has kinda sucked out my enthusiasm for Lucasfilms, like the Dementors from Harry Potter. It was bad enough with how they mucked up Star Wars with Rise of Skywalker, but then came the Willow Plus series, which s-ts on Willow's whole arc from the OG movie with what they did to Ellora, as well as Madmartigan through Sorsha and their d-khole children, and then after with the Dial of Destiny. Yeah, sorry, Helena Shaw, your spin-off will be happening about as much as Mutt Williams *didn't.* I actually took back every bad thing I said about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull due to how bad that was.

[@Nifava]

Imagine yourself as a person that organizes a yearly D&D party in your house for you and your nerd friends. Eventually it gets popular and more and more people want to come so you start organizing those parties once a month. And then it gets so popular that "cool" people that have never been into role playing games start coming so you have to move the parties to bigger and bigger venues. And you have to change substantially the theme of those parties to adapt to the preferences of the new people attending. And then a big corporation takes interest in your events and buys the brand from you. And they introduce even more changes to follow current trends they consider fashionable. Now none of your nerd old friends want to go to your parties because they feel out of their element and the "cool" people stop coming too because they realize those parties are getting increasingly lame. That's Marvel for you.

[@dawnfire82]

That's D&D for you. I grew up with D&D long enough ago that I had 1st edition books. It used to be cool, with bad monsters, strong struggling heroes, sexy women, and the other fun fantasy tropes of the 80s. It's ruined now.

[@steveouk90126]

Or: you have a popular D&D game for the last several years until one person brings his girlfriend. She's confused about what it all is and wonders aloud why you're all wasting your time instead of getting girlfriends. You ask your friend to tell her not to denigrate the other players but she continues anyway. He brings her to the next game and the next. The group does everything in its power to make her feel welcome, but all she does is degrade them. Finally she's asked not to come back, and her response is "you just hate women!"

[@ChaosArchives667]

​@@steveouk90126Fucking accurate

[@Joker.9.9.9]

​@@steveouk90126I would add to that : when you invite your girlfriend she changes things on her own: name, genders, instead of dragons it's the "PaTrIaRcHy" because it's more scary than a dragon....😂

[@sztallone415]

That's what happened to Smosh

[@tracygilbert5731]

People flocked to see previous Marvel movies because they were chapters in a larger saga. These newer films are poorly written one offs with the same special effects but lack a powerful enough storyline to compel viewers to shell out $15 bucks a ticket.

[@XPkoolXD]

I just watched this movie for free and I want my time back.

[@Podcastforthewin]

My wife and i walked out of a movie once and only once. It was some cartoon a few years ago, it was her birthday and there wasn’t much to do, we went to a small theatre in town and it was some cartoon that started off with the female animal being all bossy and telling the other ones what to do, my wife just looked at me and said, I’m not watching this. Even she hates how they portray strong women characters. Also, my wife owns her own business and is pretty successful and smart. She never talks to me like that

[@ALROD]

What's the movie?

[@Podcastforthewin]

@@ALROD i think it was some stupid movie called the nut job part 2. I believe it was 2018 or so.

[@nafizhossain568]

still she said that she is not watching this, like a boss.. without knowing if you want to see this or not hehe

[@Podcastforthewin]

@@nafizhossain568 No no. She told me that if i wanted to stay, then it’s because im a privileged white man who had it so easy all my life. So i made up my own mind and left. Duh

[@tomwinston6758]

Wow!! This is spot on. Thank you.

[@rjf5285]

Disney has done so much damage to Marvel and SW that it's not fixable. Even if they do take a 10 year break and reboot it, the fans aren't biting. They would have to see years of them putting out films that were good before they could ever be trusted and we all know that ain't gonna happen.

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

It's not even that, they just refuse to make what we want. Spiderman and Guardians were great, that's what we want but instead they make something no one asked for. Star Wars is the same, they're making a Rey film when no one is asking for it but we all want an Old Republic film which they literally haven't even mentioned

[@AlluringSpy]

​​@@mrcaboosevg6089theyd just make Bastilla the generic female main character and ruin it

[@jasonjanisewski78]

Anything is fixable in theory with enough talent. If tomorrow an MCU movie was released that everyone agreed was equal in caliber to The Godfather, it would make billions through word of mouth.

[@emdo.unlimited555]

And yet they haven't wrote down the goodwill and intangibles recorded when they bought Marvel and Lucas Film. 90 billion bucks on balance sheet assets of 200 billion!

[@GlobeWarmer]

They should have done a complete reset after endgame. That, and completely left out all the marxism, feminism, equality, race-swapping, etc etc etc bs.

[@Milton2k]

Overpowered characters are hard to write. They seem so dull for the have no arc, no obstacle to conquer, no flaw to correct. Just ask "One Punch Man"... he'll give you a clue. In a more serious tone, Superman has quite a lot of good stories.

[@aggilos9650]

Kamala is the only character worth watching and we can just wait for season 2 to enjoy her.

[@Andman8210]

Thank you Disney for spending millions upon millions just so I can watch this review from the drinker.

[@seiferblade9180]

Exactly!

[@sweatybattlefrontplayer715]

Honestly. I actually like that their films are terrible, because it gives film reviewers good content. They are so generous by supporting our community of content creators, thank you Disney!

[@Lord.Solo99]

@@sweatybattlefrontplayer715 You know its getting dire for the MCU when the audience is more excited for Critical Drinker to review the movie than actually watch it themselves.

[@vladdraketepes]

😂😂😂😂

[@tvctaswegia497]

"...both men and women are pretty awesome in their own ways and that when they work together instead of against each other great things can happen." Well said, Drinker.

[@AaronMich90]

Then he follows that up with a whole bunch of sexists opinions 😂

[@brandongray1059]

Yep, no doubt. It's good to see so many top comments in response to this vid from women pointing out that even they don't like this garbage - women want to see stories about women who act like women, not women who try to act like men. It's nonsensical and comes off more as a bad parody than anything else.

[@Content_Deleted]

@@AaronMich90I just rewatched the last few minutes after the quote twice now, where did he say something sexist?

[@LeatherDaddy97]

​@@AaronMich90i went back twice and i cant find the sexist opinions

[@PatristicRecluse]

​@@AaronMich90you used your 'sexist' card for today, try again tomorrow.

[@emmon5377]

The Marvels tanks at the box office losing millions as women ignore an obvious panderverse movie not worth their time. Wish also flops showing how badly damaged the Disney empire is

[@Ghost9fTactical]

You know what? I've watched The Marvels, and I don't even remember the names of these gals who played along Brie Larsson. That's how forgettable They are 🙄

[@fosterwalrus8413]

When the upside of your movie is “Brie Larson is in it” it is doomed to fail and people can see it from miles and miles away

[@nelisezpasce]

She is such a spoiled brat, and there are twitch girls that are prettier in every aspect. Raise your kids well, otherwise they'll earn the apathy of others.

[@MrJeffcoley1]

I honestly feel for actors cast to portray bad characters. Captain Marvel, Rey Palpatine, etc. Whatever their personalities they’re not the scriptwriters.

[@lightghost7524]

It feels like modern movies are designed to pander to f em cels

[@Harperrrrrr7]

Brie Larson is an incredible actress, though marvel hasn’t been her best work. She literally has 2 golden globes, an Oscar, a BAFTA and soooo many more

[@nettewilson5926]

@@ojizarcozurdo9925maybe desperate incels that can’t get laid in real life

[@amirhb7531]

Hopefully disney will learn and rise as a better company after this I DOUBT IT

[@sickbozo8152]

disney? learn? hahahahhahahhahahahahha

[@pututunik8748]

learn? what kind of fairy tale is that? XD

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

X for doubt

[@ShinbrigTV]

Let's all learn from an industry that never learns anything...TEE HEE HEE.

[@AscendantStoic]

Nah, they will triple down 😅

[@danieljohnson1959]

Where is the Maximum Carnage movie with so many cool characters, Spiderman universe, Venom, Carnage, Dagger, Cloak, Captain America, Iron Fist, Black Cat to name a few. I'm still waiting for this movie

[@sagoamicably6486]

Well said, i wanna watch a movie where someone normal and understandable down on their luck struggles and comes out on top (cool powers are helpful here) When tropes are wheeled out in front of you, you know its going to be super ham fisted and just not interesting

[@Absynthe23]

The MCU era of '08-'19 will always have a special place in my heart and it's sad how much it's fallen. But I'm least glad that RDJ and Chris Evans are no longer attached to the MCU and avoided being involved in this whole shitshow

[@Tyrisalthan]

If they would be involved, maybe it wouldn't be such a shitshow? When did Stan Lee die? If I remember correctly, it was just after End game. Could there be a correlation for the lowering quality also? Edit: I checked, Stan Lee died November 2018, so End game would have been on it's post production phase, making special effects, editing and what not. So it did happened at the same time that quality started to drop.

[@slayermill8621]

Chris Evans is super woke. I'm willing to bet he would've been more than happy to star in this nonsense had they asked him nice enough.

[@JohnDoe-id5ih]

​@@TyrisalthanEndgame was actually the beginning of the quality drop of Marvel. It was still solid enough to be accepted plus it was a sequel to IW. In Endgame you could start to see some of the issues with Disney. They completely destroyed Hulk and Thor's characters.

[@thomasbecker9676]

@@slayermill8621 Do you know him personally?

[@slayermill8621]

@@thomasbecker9676 No but I've seen and read his interviews where he does nothing but back woke nonsense, so there's that.

[@VeternovaYT]

I just have complete apathy at this point for the MCU. They don’t care about the characters, making it harder for us to care

[@Dowlphin]

I was never quite into superhero movies, but then Drinker made me interested in watching reviews about them. The only stuff I like about the genre is the character of Superman (original one only), the Batman movie with Ledger Joker, and Deadpool. The other stuff is Power Rangers and Transformers material to me, and the one time I watched a brief extract of a contemporary superhero movie, I couldn't watch it because the ADHD hyper action orgy hurt by brain, since it was clearly made for kids with sugar rush and early developing power phantasies.

[@VeternovaYT]

@@Dowlphin it’s a shame cus the character consistency and respect has gone out the window They can’t look past their own noses when crafting art

[@Sevensliders]

Ah yes, the eight deadly words: "I don't care what happens about these people." How a franchise actually goes to die.

[@VeternovaYT]

@@Sevensliders Disney Executives: “It’s Misogyny or WAR”

[@chiquita683]

Dont worry Pedro Pascal is Reed Richards now 😂

[@Victork32]

Watched the Marvels last week at the theater. We left 1/2 way through. Worst movie ever.

[@Archimedes1649]

Disney F'ed up the MCU. F'ed up Star Wars and F'ed up the classics with their remakes. At least they're consistent.

[@OrkWarbossThrakka]

-A franchise no one cares about anymore. -2 main characters that were featured in shows not many people watched. -A franchise with a recent history of putting politics and ideals before story. -Putting out more product with the same or less resources. - An actor with a history of alienating co workers and fans alike. - Having characters that even source material fans did not invest much time in. -The reshuffling and rehiring of management and corporate overlords at Disney. -The actor strikes causing disruptions to reshoots and extending release. -A main character that was too perfect that she has to be removed unnaturally from Endgame because she would’ve solved the films problems too quickly. All just makes a perfect storm and lessons to know when enough is enough.

[@DatRandomInternetDude]

But they’ll never stop, “enough is enough” doesn’t exist for them

[@Kevin-dl6nf]

This is what happens when you make movies for an audience that doesn't exist or care. The men you loathe are the men keeping you on life support. Only problem i have with the drinkers vids is they are never long enough 🔥

[@jimmy22334]

​@YoungBoyNeverBorkeAgainreported

[@jimmy22334]

​@GarciaCavettreported

[@carlodave9]

This is what you get when the chick running around kicking and punching faces isn’t an ugly af female MMA champ with real abuse issues. I’d respect the hell out of THAT casting.

[@veeeevo]

Who even knew this movie was coming out? Literally what is this movie

[@xnotjustadreamx]

Honestly, I didn’t even see any marketing for this. It somehow didn’t even reach me.

[@rogierb5945]

Number 6: the budget. If you are going to make a movie pandering to a small audience then you'll need a appropriatly small budget to match. This why all those slocky horrormovies make bank because they are made on small budgets and therefore dont need a huge audience to turn a profit. The marvels budget was simply too big. If it was made on a budget of 50 million instead of 250 million it might have made a small profit or at least break even.

[@ProximaCentauri97]

so the fnaf movie did a great job huh

[@rockon795]

Marvel is worth 30 bil. I don't think they care about the budget thing

[@alfonsocyrusjoshua9551]

@@rockon795 they gotta care about budget, why'd you think they have 30 billion if they dont care about each dollar

[@alerixv]

​@@rockon795it honestly baffles me that people like you can figure out how to get online and even make a comment.

[@arikarikan]

Money Laundering ofc

[@Stormtrooper53]

This is what happens when you decide that it's more important that your story conform to a checklist than to actually, you know, tell a good story.

[@emilyadams3228]

It's also what haopens when you think that you have to conform to a checklist instead of being an actual person.

[@uncaboat2399]

There's nothing wrong with making your story conform to a checklist, so long as you have the _correct_ checklist. You know, stuff like: likeable, relatable characters, check interesting story, check believable situations or at least not too ridiculous, check etc. the list is endless, and usually does *not* include things like: the Bad Guys are all White Males the Good Guys are all in a Protected Class nothing really bad ever happens to the Good Guys etc.

[@Dmoore2084]

What was the checklist? Like what SPECIFICALLY are you saying?

[@darthcinema4262]

​@@Dmoore2084 The checklist that is meant to please the wokies and FemiNazis

[@GamerFrisco]

​@@Dmoore2084the MESSAAAAAAGE

[@friendme12345]

If I was paid $10,000 in cash AND got a free box of popcorn...I would sit through the marbles movie...

[@Carl-zd3yg]

I could not have said it better myself. This is what even women thinks about almost every new movie nowdays.

[@johnowen9349]

We also know for a fact that "somebody" (cough cough Disney) padded the first Captain Marvel's box office numbers by buying out showings of it at out of the way theaters across the country that the managers of which then found it terribly odd that nobody showed up for said sold-out showing.

[@robnhood1416]

Exactly. Now it is getting exposed clearly.

[@Javiven]

Was this really a thing?

[@johnowen9349]

@@Javiven A bunch of managers hit social media with questions to their peers and videos of sold out shows with empty screen rooms. It went away fast, the MSM said not a word about it, but it happened. I'm guessing Disney called up the big theater franchises and told them outright to either get their managers to shut up or never show a Disney movie on their screens again. But yeah, it happened.

[@ccelite3782]

Oh, so Captain Marvel DIDN'T do good at the Box Office. Damn. Even Infinity War/Endgame couldn't save that dumpster fire

[@johnowen9349]

@@ccelite3782 It was never going to and Disney had figured that out before it hit theaters and were quick to do something to keep it from derailing the phase. NOBODY was interested in Captain Marvel. Nobody but first edition hoarders ever really even bought her comics. She had no fan base, no interest even as a side character, and they were trying to presell her to us as the savior of the situation despite having done absolutely nothing to earn it other than being female and perfect. The character was a non-starter and Bri Larson just made it worse with her "personality".

[@michaelreich4827]

If there was truly an audience for this, they would've gone to see it in droves multiple times.

[@SunwardRanger83]

Hey, don't go being all logical now. It's not like that's how Titanic, Star Wars, Terminator, and virtually every other highly successful movie or franchise has worked.

[@dieseltruck3695]

None of these characters were likeable

[@Rosetti.]

You ever see a movie or TV show trailer, and say to yourself "this is gonna suck"? That's how I felt about this show. Also, Morbius. Very much Morbius.

[@vincebravo674]

If you want a movie with a incredibly strong female lead character I highly recommend James Cameron's 1986 masterpiece Aliens. That movie was absolutely fantastic and of course Sigourney Weaver as Ellen Ripley was pure badass.

[@SystemBD]

And it had one of the best anti-misogynistic dialogs ever ("Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?- No, have you?")

[@vincebravo674]

In my opinion it's hands down one of the best if not the best Syfy movies of all time. An absolute masterpiece.

[@ErikDeMann]

@@vincebravo674 And you would be right. It's the only movie in an extensive collection, that I still return to two or three times every year, all these years later. And it never fails me.

[@vincebravo674]

The 80s, 90s, and the 2000s were great for movies until they reached their peak in the 2010s in my opinion.

[@gianthand8130]

Even Ginormica from Monsters vs Aliens(of all things)was done better than how a lot of female characters are nowadays.

[@aleezababarv5599]

being a girl myself, I agree with all these points. honestly, I'm getting sick of seeing the smug, all powerful 'girlboss' heroes because I really just want to connect with the characters. it got old real fast, there was literally no more story 'cause we were always sure they were gna win at the end with little to no problems. I especially agreed with the "complement, not undermine" bit. can the original heroes with characters 100x more interesting than them also not get shit on?? can we just have normal humans and not superficial perfect girlbosses as heroes ?? it doesn't help lmao

[@PappyGunn]

One of the big problem is the attitude. It would be OK to promote girl heroes, like they did in Alien. But the constant belittling of men serves no purpose but broadcasting a vengeful and angry attitude, lacking respect in whose shoulder they stand on. Pissing on your core audience and their heroes is no way to generate profits. I mean even soyboys have limits. They get laughed at for reading comics for escapism, now their outlet craps on them.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

True,these badass girlbosses efforthlesly thrive at everything and we in real live are not like that. How is it that male heores have real struggles even we women can relate to but female characters are all overpowered and shallow?

[@Spikebert]

@@PappyGunn I remember Angie Dickinson's Police Woman- she was smart and good at her job, and had a competent male partner who handled the rough stuff- that didn't take away from her character, it made her more realistic.

[@stephanwatson7902]

That's what I've been saying too! Women don't have strong female characters anymore, they have perfect Mary Sue characters who don't ever have to overcome anything, have no flaws and are perfect at everything they attempt immediately....real girls and women can't see themselves in these characters, because they're so unreal

[@gianthand8130]

@@PappyGunn Ginormica from Monsters vs Aliens is done better than a lot of females characters nowadays.

[@TheSFShogun]

I hope Marvel continues to double down on this strategy and continues to produce flops forever. They will never learn. They have already gone too far.

[@Relugus]

Wanda is the most popular female Marvel character with women and girls...and they made her into a villain, a sure fire way to go broke.

[@Chodaboy65]

As one that has practiced various martial arts for 30+ years, I would love for Marvel and Disney to cast an actress that actually has some athletic ability and isn't noticeably slow and awkward in every action scene. Rosario Dawson and Iman Vellani are decent actresses - I think they're fine. But they are not good choices for sprinting and swinging weapons.

[@nl3712]

This

[@ITSAHARDNUGLIFE]

What did you think of Shang Chi? I rather liked that one. Didn't know anything about it going in, so it was a nice breath of fresh air.

[@Bladerunner4924764]

I noticed that too. Their movements aren't fluid and powerful but awkward and weak. The whole time I'm watching them fight I'm substituting a fight scene with Jackie Chan and some other martial artist going full blast... it's laughable.

[@handler8838]

Your comment is "body shaming", and Im not kidding. They want puffy people who cant quite pull off action. It is supposed to be more "representative" that way. Disney got people measuring their productions on these kinda stuff.

[@johantolli372]

Disney had Gina Carano for both Star Wars and Marvel but like everything, they ruined a good thing with their idiocy. One of the very few women ive seen depicting a believable fight scene on screen and winning vs a man in a believable way. Gina is loved by fans, she is feminine and charming, but also strong, capable and intimidating. The very prime example of the supposed "strong female" in every sense of the words. But as always DIsney gonna Disney

[@XpunisherX8152]

What’s interesting is the “Girls get it done” argument in TheBoys TV show is that it works in context because it makes fun of itself while being satire all the while Marvel, tries to take itself seriously when we the audience don’t anymore

[@johnmihelis1699]

What's different here is that, unlike the many MCU HER-os, Starlight, Kimiko and Maeve are actually likeable characters who face real struggles, and Stormfront is someone who we really want to see getting the sh*t kicked out of! Also, Stormfront can hold her own and would definately be able to handle Starlight and Kimiko on their own, perhaps even Maeve 1-1, so she is a legit threat for them, instead of them vastly outclassing her and therefore diminishing any stakes

[@daniell1483]

Honestly a good point of comparison, yes.

[@PanzerblitzRnR]

They make fun of it and do it unironically in the same season.

[@Grauer1510]

​​@@PanzerblitzRnR the difference for The Boys in comparison to Marvel is: it works because the female characters in The Boys are actually likable or at least relatable.

[@vario6492]

The satire in The Boys is honestly brilliant, and it also helps that it satirizes both left and right. No playing favorites like this shit

[@xtcfein]

they thought i was a mad man when i said DC was better than marvel look how the turn tables have turned, rip marvel

[@Ronakkunvarjirealty-yb8fk]

Feminist movies = MCU

[@abrahamlincoln1600]

I asked my girlfriend if she wanted to go see this with me, and that I was gonna buy her ticket. She insisted we go see something else. A Girl boss moment, that backfired for marvel. Now riddle me that one lol.

[@ddddd9665]

Their work here is done lol

[@diegojines-us9pc]

what??? i bet she didn't watch nascar. to see a woman driver either?

[@RandomUserX99]

it's her fault that she's not a lesbian and your fault for pushing her into supporting LBTG+ lifestyle. Marvel movie only fails because of hate, lol

[@qwmx]

Marvel has been shit for the past two decades.

[@Spark-vf4rm]

@@qwmxreally good up to endgame. After that it has been nothing but mid. Loki season 2 was pretty great tho

[@vaclavmalina8288]

to call someone racist, sexist and homophobic is universal excuse these days 😟😕

[@Djsavior2111]

The funniest part is that even women barely went to see this at all. They're trying to pander to a group of people that barely buy the product anyway.

[@lovelessissimo]

Among the best sci-fi protagonists is Ripley from the Alien franchise. Not because she was a strong woman, but because she was a fantastic character.

[@sebastianmedina1234]

Correction: she wasn’t merely a strong and intelligent woman. Ripley was a strong and intelligent *character* and happened to be acted by a woman. Even you and I as people are much more than the simply the sum of our strengths and weaknesses. Good writers should strive to make characters likable first. Then add the powers and abilities second. It’s about who you are, not what you can do.

[@mjolnir_swe]

She is brave af but also human.

[@debanjanroy5428]

This is the part, I like about 80s and 90s movies. They showed her character strong, intelligent and at a same time vulnerable as a woman, as a human being should be and that made her character more beleivable to the audience. Instead of hating her male co-workers, she tried to cope up with them, helped them, worked together to get out of that hellhole but now entertainment & media treat men as dogs and women as Rambo. They show women that they're more powerful and far more superior and capable than men, both physically and mentally, they try to teach them misandristic ideas to hate each and every man in the society, encourage them to become fully independent and empowered thus satisfying their female ego in the process but in reality we should teach our children that women need men and men need women. one cannot live without the other, both have roles in this world and together they could balance the world and make it a better place.

[@thispersonrighthere9024]

well, disney now owns the rights to the alien franchise, so they might f**k that up too.

[@lovelessissimo]

@thispersonrighthere9024 Well, here's to hoping that Tomorrowland will have a 3D ride called "Touring LV-426" and Adventureland will one day have a Predator ride.

[@regulaguy1733]

It boils down to this. People don't want to see movies with actors they despise. Men and women alike find arrogant, man-hating, boss chicks annoying. We have to deal with them in real life. I'd be damned if I am paying to be annoyed.

[@robosing225]

This right here. You get an honorary "PREACH!" and a "Here, here!" Family wanted me to go see it and I said no thank you, I will literally watch anything, N, E, thing else.

[@sweatybattlefrontplayer715]

Agreed. Knew this movie was gonna flop as soon as I saw the trailer

[@davidwillis8112]

So sad I love Samuel L Jackson. But they done turned him into fat elvis

[@KennyBoy217]

Hahaha smart thinking. I dont wanna pay to be annoyed neither.

[@hartia4584]

the bottom line is that man babies are too dumb to understand rhetoric and think ANYTHING Brie Larson participates in is woke propaganda. comic book 40 year olds are really dumb.

[@JMorrall89]

MCU costumes and powers are getting so "samey" that at a glance I cant tell who is supposed to be who.

[@fubuh8r]

They don't have any likeable badass actresses like Milla Jovovich, that's what there problem is.

[@Jorokusaki]

I remember my brother pretending to me that Cpt Marvel was good because he took my niece to see it...

[@ladygenesis]

I'm giving this video a thumbs up for how unapologetically real Drinker is, for all of us. As a 27 year old woman, I approve of the Critical Drinkers message about the M-She-U.

[@gianthand8130]

Even the Monsters vs Aliens movie did Ginormica better than what Marvel has been doing.

[@NekoinaBox2000]

Hey that movie was making fun of that whole trope, I'd kill for ironic humor about this kind of stuff over... whatever MCU writers are doing@@gianthand8130

[@HansWurst1569]

Only sane female out there

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

I wish more women were like you, I know ones from my generation (X) and older are but the younger generation is full of brainwashed fools.

[@geraldineregina7069]

Thanks for this!!! I liked their movies better with the guys in it and the few tough ladies!! Admit it or not, it is the male population that makes the greater audience, and this Stoopid crew just ruined things for their comic book lovers!!!

[@reddoorstudios7103]

When black widow was introduced in Avengers she was displayed as someone with practically no flaws, single handedly beat up strong buff male guys, and had clever snappy writing at times, captain marvel(and a lot of female superheroes) show these same traits but the main difference was that black widow was a badass because it wasn’t the main focus and we didn’t have to verbally be reminded she was a badass every 12 seconds, black widow knew when she couldn’t win a fight and have to resort to help right off the back instead of expecting to win every fight, and she was actually portrayed as smart instead of having her say she has an engineering degree

[@Majora96]

People liked Black Widow because of her ass and she wasn't the lead. But her character and plot never made any sense.

[@dianabandicoot]

Spot on

[@shawerful5209]

Its because strong female characters are more liked when they are not the focus. Like that strong character in cartoons that they are not the focus, but when they kick ass is cool to see

[@zephyrstrife4668]

Honestly, my favorite scene was when she was captured by those terrorist guys and was shown to be competent at her job despite her seemingly vulnerable position. She respected the other members of her team but was ruthlessly efficient. Thinking back to the scene of her and Happy against the Hammertech security guards is just an absolutely perfect scene too. Happy can fight, but she is trained to kill and didn't lord it over him.

[@jasonvotaw5188]

It's because her being a bad ass didn't get in the way of Tony Stark still being cool or Nick Fury and she was contrasted with another female character in Pepper Potts who played role beyond being just another generic girl boss. Like Happy they provided support without being action heroes for the most party. Happy was a little but in reality he is someone out of his league in these kind of fights and that is okay.

[@danielleung3961]

Stinks. Smells like an alley in downtown San Francisco.

[@roybatty2544]

Disney on Track to Lose Nearly $750 Million Across 13 Films in Historic Year of Box-Office Flops

[@skojaze7679]

I think all the KZbinrs and Critics will make more money talking about this movie than the movie itself.

[@gmannewsom]

I can't imagine the monumental hubris it would take to decide the best way to expand your reach to new customers is to tell all your existing ones you don't want their money anymore. Disney is basically trying to train up to a marathon by blowing their legs off and sitting sedentary on the couch for 30 years.

[@hanskneesun123]

We hate you, buy our product.

[@shaft5]

Imagine opening a donut shop and hanging out a sign that says “Only serving folks whose Last Name begins with M-Z”. That is the stupidity of Brie Larson. By proclaiming that she does not make movies for white men, she effectively destroyed the market potential by 70%.

[@nenmaster5218]

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[@walterwhite1]

Hahahah 😂

[@deceiver444]

Disney has become a major embodiment of modern insanity