The Massive Downfall of Boyinaband

[@InternetAnarchist]

We are coming close to 350k subscribers - thank you for all the support. Glad so many of you love the videos! ❤

[@smokejc]

Congrats, but your videos look exactly like SunnyV2's. Would be cool to see some stuff that showed some sense of identity.

[@brutpenta]

Congrats!

[@lovelylipbonesouwwwwwwwolv2198]

Cool

[@lovelylipbonesouwwwwwwwolv2198]

Let's goo

[@NashvilleDave]

Ok but who is your favorite anarchist?

[@InternetAnarchist]

To be fair, he wasn't taught what laws there are.

[@deadcats6083]

Dude was just a narcissist who was unhappy with his parents.

[@pariahred13]

Oof, that line didn't age well. Actually age has apparently been an issue for him for a while

[@viceonice]

yeah idk about that

[@weirdfishes364]

and never got the facts on domestic ab*se

[@jj_genna1515]

​@@pariahred13😂

[@Ambar42]

In what world do we live in that we have to censor words like "sexual", "anorexia" or "depression"?

[@p5eudo883]

A world where KZbin and advertisers have far too much power.

[@AltPlus30]

@@p5eudo883 Internet Anarchist is Anarchist until advertisers come

[@JosephArata]

Neo marxist fascist America.

[@informitas0117]

KZbinrs would rather self-censor anything they can think of, than risk losing even a single dollar. It's what YT has taught them.

[@venda1008]

Rtt

[@yuishishido8780]

Sad thing is, we live in an age where allegations such as this wind up leading to accused being “Guilty until proven innocent”

[@Axel_Kasai]

Now its more like guilty, period. Even if the person turns out to be innocent.

[@irrelevancyiskey9992]

as it should be. believe victims. i do think that people do go too hard on the witch hunts, and i wish people would not make false accusations that make it harder for victims to be believed and result in this sort of mentality - but seriously, believe victims.

[@vanbogan3712]

​@@irrelevancyiskey9992You really just contradicted yourself. You know that right?

[@chaseabler94]

It is supposed to be that someone is innocent if proven beyond reasonable doubt, so like 51% or more likely innocent but it seems like now everyone believes the person is guilty unless the accuser states multiple times that it was false.

[@yuishishido8780]

@@irrelevancyiskey9992 Here's the thing though. You should absolutely believe victims. But never trust them, not until you have all the facts. People lie, people misunderstand, people make mistakes. The human memory is extremely maliable, this is why they say never speak to the interrigation officer without an attourney. Never dismiss these allegations, but never blindly trust them either. Because when you don't you ruin an innocent human beings life for good.

[@Bluehousesys]

If those allegations weren't real, with how his mental health was, I feel like that'd be enough to push him away from everything and solidify his disappearance.

[@CrittingOut]

I can't even find any actual evidence besides someone on reddit claiming something was said. I mean, it COULD be true, but I've seen more harsh fakes.

[@mollusckscramp4124]

@@CrittingOut I don't think there's really reason to give an accuser the benefit of the doubt when they're not even willing to properly come forward, much less provide evidence. If an anonymous reddit post is as far as you're willing to stick your neck out then you can't expect people to take you on your word and ruin an entire person's life based upon sheer rumor. In serious cases, victims put everything on the line just for the chance of justice. This is likely just some vindictive ex.

[@Edyime]

by p-word addiction do they mean porn addiction or something else

[@TheBadassTonberry]

@@EdyimePorn addiction yeah

[@SD-jf7nb]

Pic's or it ain't true.

[@rczarnecki]

Those accusations should be addressed by court not by reddit posts and comments. Today we can fabricate anything, and we as content consumers we don't have any means to discern and resolve that matter.

[@Nelvinkumar]

False Accusations Happen To Famous People As Well.

[@pinkmonkeybird2644]

This! In this era of deep fakes, AI, and data manipulation, it is extremely difficult to know what’s real or not. These allegations need to be addressed in official civil proceedings if the plaintiffs want to gain any kind of retribution or compensation. I’m not sure why this wasn’t done if they have evidence of wrongdoing. I don’t understand why people feel the need to comment on people and situations they know nothing about, have nothing factual to contribute, or have any special expertise in handling.

[@Todo776]

You know, when you bring up Reddit, that explains a lot

[@CarltonSmith45]

14:06 wasn't fabricated..

[@hinachan70]

​@@Todo776Well, Reddit is also a major social site. It's no different than bringing up Twitter, Facebook, KZbin, etc. Any well known place massively full of opinions and echo chambers unfortunately.

[@blankpuddle0249]

I appreciate that you didn't just stack on the bandwagon for saying he's a terrible person, and viewing him as innocent until proven guilty. You are helping to make the world a better place. I would love for him to be proven innocent, because he did have a very loving and caring personality on KZbin, however we may never know if he was actually this terrible person he is alleged to be. My best wishes for the friends, family, and anyone else in Dave's life.

[@ibendover4817]

At the same time he's making comments in here clowning on the guy.... uploader is an asshole.

[@dai6419]

its cause he was never taught what laws there are

[@Arcessitor]

@@dai6419lmap

[@zzzzztypeshit]

seen plenty comments here talking about how the post was deleted and there was never any concrete proof and how the OP is actually some DJ trying to get revenge on Dave by making up false accusations

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

Just because someone's mentally ill doesn't mean they have to be an abusive attention seeking narcissist guys, until given proper proof allegations are just that, allegations, we live in the 21st century dammit, practically anyone can frame anyone else for anything

[@NightmareZV]

These are all serious allegations and being that there's no way to prove if it's true or false, we get nothing but to see how a career is completely destroyed by it. I do hope they're false, tho. Not cause of Dave himself (which would still be cool if he was actually innocent, but no way to actually find out), but because if these were all true, it means there were abused victims which only were at fault for idolizing someone too much.

[@xaylabloodaxe]

So many careers have been destroyed off of false allegations. Even if proven innocent, the mental trauma and struggle someone still has to go through afterwards can be very mentally draining. Serioues allegations shouldn't be treated lightly, but you also shouldn't ALWAYS assume the person alleging is the innocent one. @@NightmareZV

[@misseselise3864]

yup. the vast majority of mentally ill people aren’t pieces of shit

[@connorwilson1431]

After the Slazo shitshow I refuse to believe any allegations without definitive proof, allegations are all you need to destroy careers even when proven to be bullshit like with Slazo's situation but the people making them rarely face any repercussions at all or else the liars who made those claims would also have left KZbin.

[@player34536]

@donaldjrtrumpy8511It was obvious she was lying lol. Everyone could see that crap from a mile away.

[@ExarchGaming]

You didn't mention that the poster had deleted the accusations and never provided the proof they said they would. The reddit account was a throw away and has been inactive since. He did have one very vindictive ex that could have been behind this. You got some major information wrong as well, such as the Ricegum Apology. That was a skit where he apologized to ....casey neistat. You gotta get your research right my friend! Especially when you're signal boosting accusations that have a significant amount of controversy about their authenticity.

[@kevinmorrice]

id a friend in my hometown whose ex hated him so much she tried to murder him, people nowadays forget that women can also be utter bastards

[@dai6419]

its cause he was never taught what laws there are

[@Very_Bord]

@@kevinmorrice lmao my ex called the cops on me and said I threatened to burn her house down and kill her dog after I broke up with her... She didn't have a dog.

[@kevinmorrice]

@@Very_Bord as my friend said ever since that incident "having a vagina shouldnt be an alibi"

[@Noa-g1ex]

This channel is known to be extremely manipulative, careful what information you allow yourself to learn from. There are much better channels out there, unsub this and find better out there

[@Maerahn]

Sometimes i really, REALLY hate the internet. And this whole issue with Boyinaband is a classic example of that. I was a huge fan of Dave and his videos - he came across as incredibly likeable, ridiculously intelligent and self-aware and very empathetic. However, it was clear very soon that he had some deep-rooted mental health issues, that often plunged him into spirals of depression and self-loathing. Whenever he went on a hiatus from KZbin, I guessed it was due to those mental health problems. And when the allegations about him surfaced, my immediate thought was "Oh my god, whether it's true or not, this is going to DESTROY him. We may never see him again on social media - and god knows what it's going to do to him mentally." I wasn't at all surprised to see him disappear completely. I feel like I don't want to just dismiss the allegations as lies outright (I'm an SA survivor myself,) but I'm not prepared to just believe them either, without more substantial proof than just a bunch of screen-grabbed messages that could easily have been faked. Also the 'letter to his family from all of his ex-girlfriends' seems... a weird way of going about 'fixing' him. Who DOES that? What group of wronged exes gets together and thinks "I know how we can hold this guy accountable - we'll write a letter to his parents, signed by all of us - but we'll post a copy of it to social media!" Surely a better strategy, if you're all supporting each other, would be to go through actual criminal/legal channels? I don't know, it just doesn't add up for me. And I'm not surprised Dave hasn't said anything in response. Unfortunately, I fear this has completely broken him, and nothing and no-one will ever persuade him to go anywhere near a public platform again.

[@adrianisdumb27]

I ain’t reading all that

[@Ohk_15]

how is see it is fake and I have a few reasons there was no full proof so for all we know it could just be a bunch of alts they had AND they made sure to wait and make sure he didn't post for a while so he cant defend himself as he stopped posting on social media for a while

[@0Meganewguy]

Nah. The actions of his exes make perfect sense. Take away his platform and inform the public of predatory behaviour which will severely limit his access to naive underage fans. Informing his parents means they can keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn’t re-offend using other avenues

[@Maerahn]

@@0Meganewguy Taking away his public platform wouldn't stop him doing it away from the public eye - you don't need to be famous to be a predator. And he's a grown man, living away from home - what are his parents supposed to do? Ground him? No, it makes no sense to me that they'd write a letter to his parents and then let that letter be posted on social media for the world to see - how are his parents supposed to feel about such alllegations being made about their own son, publicly? It reflects badly on them as well, so it's an invasion of THEIR privacy when they've done nothing wrong. (Also seems pretty calculuating of the exes that they'd even make a copy of that letter to post on social media - a letter that SHOULD'VE stayed a private matter between them and the people they addressed it to. Heck, do we even know the parents DID get the letter, and that the only 'version' of it they saw WAS the one posted to social media? That would be pretty disgusting.) But even taking all of that into account, if their true goal WAS to 'stop him harming other girls,' then their first port of call should've been the police and other relevant authorities. If you think you've got enough evidence to plaster all over social media and ruin a peson's life and career, then you've got enough to go through the proper legal channels and REALLY prevent them from doing any more harm. And since there's no evidence of them ever doing THAT... that's when I'd start taking anything they claimed seriously.

[@limestonereaper2590]

@@0Meganewguyyou aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

[@DjImpossibility]

If the reason for censoring out words such as "anorexia" and "bulimia" is due to KZbin guidelines, then the guidelines are fundamentally flawed. Creators shouldn't feel forced to keep such important topics out of their discussions in fear of being less favorable in the eyes of potential sponsors or the risk of being demonetized. These are serious topics that we need to confront, and the idea of censorship - which is also done across literally every social media - is deeply troubling. Life-altering experiences such as EDs, mental illnesses or sexual assault shouldn't be something we need to stay silent about.

[@SteveDice21]

Yes, we know. Advertisers still don't care.

[@Arterexius]

@@SteveDice21 That's why we need to talk about it. They won't start caring if we try to kill taboos with silence. Marketing is honestly really easy to understand, as at the bottom of it all, the advertisers will always go with the flow, meaning that if the majority of online users express a desire to talk about these subjects, then advertisers will follow in quick succession as they want as many eyeballs looking at their ads as possible. So the problem isn't really advertisers, but Google, Meta, Microsoft & Apple

[@reezlaw]

@@Arterexius the point is that if they don't want their brands associated with these themes at all, no amount of "desire" by online users will change that

[@Arterexius]

@@reezlaw That depends on the amount of money there is to be made. Remember that it is rarely the brands themselves that do the advertising on KZbin. Instead it's usually specific advertising companies who get hired by different brands to promote their products through ads. This means that we won't have to target the brands themselves, but instead the advertising companies that are hired by the brands. Of course, if we just give up before actually trying for longer than the lifespan of a viral subject, then we will never succeed with anything, but the internet have already shown, time and time again, that it can absolutely change things. As for brands not wanting to be associated with these themes, I find that hard to believe. Another aspect of marketing is a rather crucial aspect. Analyze your target audience, what do they like/dislike. Content like this isn't exactly the type that conservative leaning people will watch and a good chunk of the people who use the internet most frequently, are young people and one of the leading subjects among young people have for the past many years been mental and physical health. Having your brand associated with wanting to promote physical and mental health is a pretty solid way of getting eyeballs on your products, hence why I don't think that brands will choose to ignore a literal golden opportunity to potentially earn more money and faster than if they just ignored the topics all together.

[@reezlaw]

@@Arterexius this sounds like a rather optimistic take, so I want to believe it. The past few years have been discouraging.

[@shaneevan5237]

I remember when those accusations came out, the accusers had a very "youre either with us or against us" attitude. A pinned comment even said something along tge lines that "not taking a stance is still a stance, so please stop replying thqt youre neutral" and it kinda pissed me off. This combined with them being uidden in anonymity and providing very little evidence has lead me to believe that its a lie

[@JayneAFK]

They completely deleted the post not long after too. It's all very sus imo.

[@ShwappaJ]

It's definitely a lie, especially with those kinds of people and mindsets

[@vulpinemachine]

Whenever someone presents me with "you're either with us or against us" I immediately inform that I'm against them on principle. Fuck anyone who says that shit.

[@cipher9323]

Yep. Vindictive exes who want him to have a lifetime of misery for a failed relationship. They seem totally reputable 😂

[@tomikun8057]

​@@JayneAFKApparently was deleted when the OP didn't actually have permission to post those photos or reveal the name. The mods removed all traces of her name and photos off the subreddit after she threatened legal action.

[@valkyrieregalia]

In this day and age, I must take such mysterious allegations like these with several grains of salt. It's so very easy to manufacture controversies and false stories about people either for kicks, clout or just to watch the world burn. With so many people he collabed with on KZbin, you'd think at least one would collaborate these allegations if this truly was a pattern of behavior Dave had. It seems to be the opposite where everyone seemingly getting along well with him with no apparent red flags. For me, it's innocent until proven guilty, and I'm going to maintain that principle with Dave.

[@kevinmorrice]

yeah, the post was deleted and the account had zero activity since, clearly a burner just to accuse dave

[@dai6419]

its cause he was never taught what laws there are

[@115MaTTy]

@@dai6419 never taught how to write a decent song either

[@slesperado]

This reminds me of the time when the second singer of Lorna Shore was accused of similar things by his ex-girlfriend. After he got kicked out of the band and had his reputation ruined, it turned out that his ex-girlfriend lied about the entire thing. I'll never believe these types of accusations unless I'm provided with valid and complete supporting evidence.

[@ApokalyptikNM]

Yep CJ McCreery, I heard about those allegations too, I even went as far was to question said allegations on Twitter, that was the biggest shitshow I ever seen.. people automatically jumping on the bandwagon and literally being harassed for questioning the authenticity of the allegations. As stuff can be easily faked now a days I don't believe anything unless there is hard solid proof to those allegations and listening to both sides. Edit: he made and or is now with Immortal Disfigurement I still listen to his music.

[@NightmareZV]

Just a year ago, we had the case of Johnny Depp with Amber Heard. She pretty much ruined his career and then we found out they just had a toxic relationship through and through, but still Johnny Depp wasn't the worst one there.

[@Mortal209]

@@NightmareZV Johnny was a raging alcoholic who lost his mother, he has since gotten clean and sober. He was clean and sober when he got with Amber but she drove him to drinking even more and doing more drugs. She wanted to live that lifestyle. Johnny thought he was in love, but it turns out it was just lust and he realized quickly that he didn't want to be with this woman anymore. Unfortunately it brought upon the whole court case.

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

Someone speaks logic

[@T533-V2]

I mean, even if he didn't do anything to his ex, CJ is still an asshole

[@kazulitheseawing3284]

Correction for what was said at 11 minutes, Boyinaband never apologized to Ricegum for the diss track. The "apology" video was a gag about how he apologized to Casey Neistat about "not having nice tats" considering one of the lines in the original song. The reason why the song isn't up on his channel is most likely because Boyinaband usually has his songs go on their creators respective channels, you can see this with every channel he's collaborated with on a song. Love your videos Internet Anarchist, but I do wanna see you get things right!

[@fiveoneecho]

Yeah, I was going to say… I definitely think there were some questionable lyrics in later collaboration songs, but that content cop song was pretty mild compared to the rest of the content cop material at that time.

[@GhostofGriever]

This comment needs to be higher because this is significant. That was the entire point of the video's title lol - to clown on ricegum again

[@kannabi]

@@GhostofGriever yeah i just made the same comment then noticed it had been pointed out lol

[@JayneAFK]

He also missed the bizarre diss track by an ex partner of Dave's, who painted themselves out to be a victim, but seemed quite controlling in what they expected out of Dave, while Dave's "crime" was being too distant while depressed.

[@srjhr]

@@JayneAFK oh yeah, that manipulative prick YT rapper with hearing problems who was very envious of Dave collaborating with Pewdiepie and idubz and tried to make Dave collab with him more. Complete asshole

[@DUSKvsDAWN]

Kinda sad how this guy's entire life was ruined by one single post as "proof", that was posted by someone who got straight up hostile if anyone questioned the truth she preached, and that one post even ended up removed. Not suspicious at all.

[@realbadform]

What a shock that people are defensive over painful situations they have experienced

[@DarthObscurity]

@@realbadform Or over a lie they are trying to portray as the truth with no evidence. Those people are indistinguishable from each other. Or, in other words, "Hello, one of the many reasons for judges and the court system." Stop pretending that acting like a child is a valid reason to be upset about the adult world.

[@capycapy8920]

@@realbadform "Painful situations" lmao more like baseless accusations

[@ScaredyCorvid]

​​@@realbadform The problem is, nobody actually came forward and identified themselves as one of his victims. If he had such a high victim count you'd think that at least one of them would've used the opportunity to come forward, now that people were being doubtful of him. It's just odd. Again I'm not saying it can't be true, but I'm sure the victims, if they existed, would've had proof of the abuse or at least proof of a personal history with him. It just makes no sense to me that noone would come forward, especially with such a good opportunity to speak up and actually be heard. Idk we'll never know the truth, I fear...

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

its pretty much "i have a vagina so anything i say is 100% true, dont question it"

[@wren842]

The fact that the accusations were made on social media instead of being brought to the authorities and the accusers still remain anonymous to this day says everything you need to know as far as I'm concerned.

[@WiinterKitten]

I swear you kids really aren’t that bright😅

[@AliceInChains.]

@@WiinterKitten shes bright enough to know if someone commits a crime against you then you go to the fucking authorities not Reddit.

[@TonyJaaFan1587]

@@WiinterKittenno one who is actually telling the truth about what they went through would post it all on social media instead of going to the police who are the only people that can actually get something done about the issue, Reddit doesn’t give a shit nor can they do anything to help your situation so that makes me think that anyone who posts there is just doing it for attention and don’t actually have any problems going on in their life that should be that concerning

[@irrelevancyiskey9992]

@@AliceInChains. first of all im very skeptical of the accusations because they just dont make a lot of sense and it does come across as a way to get attention and start drama, but if you're an adult you have to know by now the police arent reliable at all in any form of abusive scenario. its so hard to be believed and even with tonnes of evidence they just dont care and perpetrators get off lightly even if accused. sometimes the only form of justice available is from the public.

[@AliceInChains.]

@irrelevancyiskey9992 I'm skeptical of it all too considering it was one post on Reddit and then nothing else. BIAB mental state is probably fucked from all this.

[@Seed]

What the hell don't stay in school was literally stuck in my head earlier and I wondered what happend to him lol...

[@JohnV170]

I randomly remembered it the other day. Had no idea what happened to him.

[@divinitygaming8673]

And what a dumb, sensationalistic song it was.

[@DemocracyOfficer2485]

Maybe if he stayed in school he would’ve learned not to mess with minors as a 30 year old

[@THeMin1000]

@@DemocracyOfficer2485any maybe if you’ve not been living under a rock you’d know people can lie and fake shit. Some random ass guy who knows your real name can look up info from your social media and just go on and accuse you to people you know we’ll see how fast you turn around

[@ple8379]

@@DemocracyOfficer2485 And maybe if you've stayed in school, you would've learned not to accuse people without evidence.

[@Greninja9001]

I appreciate that this video explains how there's no proof of the allegations being true. I'd only ever seen the "I was never taught what laws there are" memes and just assumed that he'd done some messed up shit, but I'm glad someone explained it in a way that wasn't just "he did bad things apparently". Great video

[@washmycup]

what allegations?

[@Greninja9001]

@@washmycup have you tried watching the video yet? That might clear some stuff up

[@Mortal209]

It's sad how people are just outright blaming Dave and condemning him without any actual proof. There has been only 1 legitimate female in the case and she came forward saying that they were never together, he helped her make a song and they collaborated on it. People kept saying it was "weird and creepy" how he was helping an underage girl, meanwhile Mr. Beast literally helps children all the time but his career is booming and most of his fan base are literal children. The entire thread was made by a DJ who "knew" Dave, he pretended they were BFFs on Instagram when he posted a picture of him and Dave with others in the picture...but the picture was him sitting on a couch with someone else and Dave was standing up talking to someone else, it was a get-together they were at and he'd only met Dave a few times altogether. He literally admitted to ALL of this on his own social media account before removing the Reddit thread because people found his Social Media from his Reddit (which is how I found him because he literally had his social media all over his Reddit account pretending he was a famous DJ) and he said he had received "threats" while he was actively telling people to go threaten Dave and his family. I'm sorry but there's been 0 evidence to backup or support the claims and the "joke" of him not knowing what laws there are is just outdone and outplayed especially when you're doing it just because you know it'll bring you attention and shows that you're supporting the outrageous witch hunt despite the fact that Innocent Until Proven Guilty is literally a thing in the law.

[@annim7907]

The thing is though, Unless a parent is involved. No grown adult should be "helping someone underage". Especially when it's not a life or death situation. Mr Beast has been heavily criticized for his type of content and what he makes for children. And what his "helping" actually looks like behind closed doors and sensational videos. Recently got outed for treating other creators like garbage So this is comparing apples to oranges imo I understand you like Dave and his content. But it Really sounds like your bias is clouding your judgement. Alot of this comment is jumbled defensive mess about a separate irrelevant situation that didn't matter. No one is using a "joke for attention" Internet Anarchist already Has attention.

[@tesla6938]

@@annim7907no adult should be helping people underage? first that just makes no sense oriole do that so the time is not creepy unto itself, also the “accusation” are like one person and baseless, looks like someone trying to hit his career. sounds like you lack critical thinking or the ability to actually look into a situation

[@ExarchGaming]

@@annim7907 Your first sentence makes no sense at all. Should teachers not help their students, what about a private instructor? Dance classes, summer camp, all of these things happen without parental supervision. The whole stranger danger thing is so vastly overstated that it has ruined generations of children where 99.99 percent of the time abuse comes from within their own family. It also implies that all contact between children and adults are somehow sexual in nature, it isn't. Throughout my life i've dealt with a lot of kids, from babysitting to helping my own mom who worked with abused children, to running one of the largest wow private servers, and having to desperately search for a child's address and name because they made a threat of imminent self harm, in order to get emergancy professionals to them. At the same time having to keeping them talking about the things in their life that have led them to the point that they were saying goodbye to the community. Not all contact between children and adults is nefarious, and it's dangerous and foolhardy to imply it. It causes things like a father walking with his daughter being assaulted by a group of people thinking he was a pedo, because his daughter was having a temper tantrum ....because she was a kid.

[@tatskamaster]

Well constantly hanging around underage girls PLUS allegations does sound a little fishy. What are the odds that this guy hasn't done anything creepy? Pretty low I'd say.

[@tesla6938]

@@tatskamaster what are the odds you haven’t done anything creepy, pretty lot too then

[@TimeToTrollYay]

I only really glanced at it once and didn't read too much into it, but if I remember correctly the accusations were really contradictory. There was no effort in linking any of the screenshots to Dave, the OP said she'd keep the victims identities a secret to protect them, but then shared the face and name of the then-17 year old girl without her consent, the only girl who was linked to actual proper evidence, this struck most people as an odd thing to do. She also took down her post, whatever reason behind it is up to debate but it didn't help the authenticity behind her claims, it only made it all seem more suspicious. My stance is basically, it could be true, I don't know, it doesn't seem impossible for it to be true, but I'm on the side of innocent until proven guilty, cuz evidence isn't really evidence if it's so full of holes that a child could fake it on the same level.

[@googleuser298]

Yeah all this video did was spread ask again "did he do it? Who knows?"

[@neila128]

After what recently happened with Inquisitore3, it's scary to think how easily false allegations can be made online and how quickly up in arms people like Keegan's Mask could swallow it up and push for wrong justice. Also waiting for actual evidence and/or actual involvement of the authorities before making any judgment on Dave, but I just hope that we don't get a repeat of Inquisitore3's tragedy 😢

[@TimeToTrollYay]

@@neila128 There are vindictive people who get all up in arms for those Dave might have ridiculed in his songs, then there are those who are spiteful simply because they don't like Dave for who he is, be it his thin body, long hair, hair color, being British, or simply because he likes rock and rap. Those sort of people do not mind ruining a person's life, just because they don't like said person. Then there are the virtue signalers, they'll jump at any mistreatment and injustice be it true or false, not because they care about it, but because they want to place themselves on a pedestal in order to further their career or reputation. Dave's moderators and some of his old collaborators fall in that category. When the allegations hit a high, Dave's moderators were quick to say, "he isn't a good friend, he barely keeps contact with you and we slave away to manage his communities, he would totally do all of those things in the allegations!" and the collaborators would go, "yeah man, he ghosted me and won't do more collaborations with me, he also stole some of my collaboration opportunities! I bet you he did those things in the allegations." None of their claims support the allegations, it's simply virtue signaling. When the post was deleted due to skepticism of the lack of evidence, and the OP's refusal to drop any identities for newly submitted "evidence" for their safety, but not bat an eye to the safety of the girls people were already criticizing Dave for, the moderators and collaborators went quiet. If they really felt so strongly about it all, why would they need OP's post in order to continue? Now they've already come forth, there's no reason to back out of it unless they were just virtue signalers without proper substance to their claims. I'm sure if Dave was fine prior to the allegations, he will be fine now. By the way, I'm not saying that the allegations aren't true, I'm just saying that OP did not do a good job of converting me, so I will stick to innocent until "properly" proven guilty.

[@googleuser298]

@@neila128 then you have KZbinrs like this making several videos with nothing new so it spread like wildfire. This guy is like sunnyv2. Why do they always sound Australian?

[@manporo5865]

@@googleuser298 because in Australia all the dangers are overgrown, like these parasites

[@jennilocke]

I wish people who made false claims knew how incredibly detrimental that is to actual victims

[@KuroiKitsune]

The fact that it was on Reddit and there was no legal procedures involved is one of the biggest red flags for me.

[@Mortal209]

Here's something people keep forgetting - the Reddit post was made by someone who knows Dave, or well rather he pretended he was best friends with Dave even though they met like a few times at get-togethers. He tried to get famous for making a fake Reddit post about Dave - per his own Instagram where he was trying to promote his sets even though he was literally paying people to let him play in public places. The entire Reddit thread was created by a guy who is much older than Dave and had a grudge against him for being famous and not promoting him.

[@Queen_Nyxie]

I don't know exactly what the allegations were, but the fact that law was never involved is not a make or break for me. There are many cases and situations where, even though laws are broken, no one actually contacts the law over what happened or the law itself refuses to take action. It would be even worse in a he-said-she-said situation or if it happened in multiple jurisdictions. Also, Reddit is a hub for information and conversation. If you are looking to stay anonymous, but still get the word out, it would be exactly the right place to do it. Problem is, because there is no legal trail and no trail to follow on Reddit, the allegations are unprovable from the jump.

[@KuroiKitsune]

@@Queen_Nyxie as it was mentioned in the video - Dave was not active online at that point. So it even wasn't "he said-she said" situation. Only "trust me bro".

[@stubmytoe]

I'm not accusing you of lying or anything but could you link the source pls, didn't hear this one before @@Mortal209

[@tsunsu]

Then with no actual proof from news and or him. I say take with a grain of salt and dont fully belive this.

[@FALslayer]

I reckon he will come back in 5 years time and make a comeback video either ignoring the allegations or refuting them. the fact that there was a shady reddit post seems like it was someone Dave wronged years ago and it was half-arsed attempt of ruining Dave. The fact theres been no police investigations or British media reporting on these allegations is heavy. British media would latch onto this as it did with the BBC presenter Hue Edwards and Russell Brand.

[@NichDevRumble]

Guilty untill proven innocent is the internet

[@FALslayer]

@FreePigeon Dave is famous. Everyone in the UK has heard of the #Dontstayinschool song so you're on crack.

[@wazitSomethingISaid]

he will come back as "trans" and use the trans community as a way to force people to not say anything about his true nature.

[@Veritanky]

@@FALslayer maybe they did, but it was almost 10 years ago, and not sure if people would really care in media nowadays with about some not huge youtuber case, maybe some local news

[@connorwilson1431]

It's why I never believe these kinds of allegations like with Tobuscus or Slazo, who the hell reports SA to Twitter instead of the authorities?

[@chere100]

I hope Dave is okay, especially his mental health. He always struggled with that.

[@dai6419]

its cause he was never taught what laws there are

[@hhaste]

@@dai6419 I know you're talking about his dumb lyrics but he lived on the internet, he could just.. I don't know, look them up?

[@Haimannen]

@@hhasteyou shouldn't *have* to educate yourself on the literal laws on your country in your free time if you go to school for *education.* it should 100% be the schools responsibility to teach people these things. having to look them up proves the education system is flawed.

[@MisyeDiVre]

@Haimannen But they would never teach the laws that there are.

[@z33thr33]

he's doing decent

[@Mommythief0069]

Dude, holy crap this takes me back.

[@anewwaveanewbeginning3606]

Innocent until proven guilty. Gotta have the proof baby🤷‍♂️

[@DUSKvsDAWN]

Proof they actually never followed up with, and then deleted the post alltogether lol. Not suspicious at all.

[@chichichichichichiOwO]

as a victim myself its quite obvious that its fake. If I posted about something like that, I would keep it up no matter what. The only reason I haven't come out about mine was 1. it was bullying and I had experience of the school not listening and 2. I graduated college and I do not remember her name. @@DUSKvsDAWN

[@DUSKvsDAWN]

Indeed, he's not American, he's british. And the age of consent in Britain is 16.@@BoogyMushrooms

[@enrapturedgoose5317]

Britain had those rights first lol...@@BoogyMushrooms

[@ymx7947]

You're a misogynist if you don't believe women.

[@RottenHeretic]

Ah yes. Reddit allegations. My favorite.

[@rafalrzeszotko]

This is a real Internet Anarchist moment.

[@Z-KillerEdits]

dovahkiin...davahkiin...davakiin.......davahkiin

[@Yodadsgayforme]

men

[@TravisBlack]

This is twenty two letters.

[@actually_tes1]

I was gonna get away with murder, but then the prosecution pulled up an anonymous reddit post. They had me dead to rights.

[@SushiGaming_YT]

"I want to express my deep appreciation for this fascinating video!👌" "Always knew there was something weird about that guy, just the aura he gave off..." THE VIDEO STARTED 2 MINUTES AGO LOL HOW DID YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS VIDEO

[@catssrin]

real

[@Yanks123Fan]

People fiending for likes

[@pariahred13]

hypertime loops, black holes, hadron collider, it's a YT Premium feature

[@ehannasir8464]

i think members have early access, so might be them?

[@dacueba-games]

People thing the likes on their comments gonna feed their family

[@SgtHouse]

The censorship on words for this video just to please KZbin is just ridiculous!

[@InternetAnarchist]

I wouldn’t censor it if I didn’t have to, believe me. I was recently demonetized for apparently “providing instructions on creating drugs” on a video that didn’t even mention drugs. Another video was demonetized for something along the lines of promoting terrorism when it was on a gamer… I need to be super careful to avoid having my channel wiped off the site.

[@NaudVanDalen]

@@InternetAnarchist You could upload uncensored videos for members if you're not already doing that.

[@garfieldandfriends1]

Facebook isn't any better, sadly.

[@RoundishCircle]

@@InternetAnarchist While SSSniperWolf gets a slap on the wrist

[@happicheshirecat]

@@RoundishCirclewho cares

[@JerKKeR]

These allegations remind me on the situation of "Inquisitor" an Italian cosplay TikToker who took his life after cropped and out of context screenshots were shared by a minor who edited videos for him even though he repeatedly told her that he had no ronantic interest in her. And given Boyinaband's mental status it wouldn't surprise me if all of this made him be on the verge of ending it all as well. For as long as there is no fundamental proof or actual witness testimonies or a court case. I will wholeheartedly disregard the allegations as false and untrue and anyone who will tell me otherwise I will consider harmful and predatory until further evidence has been brought to the table

[@DaWoWzer]

we'll probably never see him again, there is 0 reason for him to address these allegations unless he ever did want to come back, which I doubt now. Personally I think he's innocent cause the "evidence" is just so flimsy.

[@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607]

I love how people are judging him guilty without a trial. The internet is disgusting

[@informitas0117]

Maybe we read different comments but I see way more saying "innocent until proven in court", and I would agree. Incredibly easy to make up whatever, when your target isn't online to defend himself. He had already been gone for a long while when these people suddenly remembered they could post about this..

[@Uranublet]

nobody cared about him anyway

[@Veldazandtea]

@@Uranublet This is a lie. The very fact that I am even responding to this liar is proving that.

[@jess_lol4579]

⁠@@Uranubletmajority of the UK teenage population did. nobody cares about you though that's why you're projecting your insecurity

[@dai6419]

its cause he was never taught what laws there are

[@DefectivePieceofChalk]

"He's gone, right? No chance to defend himself or disprove anything we'll say about him? Great, time for some of our favourite allegations."

[@Ohk_15]

that's exactly my thoughts why wait until 2022 when there was proof he was off social media and there was no hard proof and for all we know the accounts saying stuff could just be alts

[@fiveoneecho]

I remember loving don’t stay in school as a high schooler because everyone decided it was saying that students shouldn’t stay in school, when in reality it directly said certain stupid subjects shouldn’t stay in school- and that was a fun gotcha for a teen :P

[@izoraiza7169]

i shared that song with a few classmates back in highschool and they ended up getting a parenting class back in the school. It was to teach teens about safety and stuff related to parenting so that when they were resposible adults they could use what they learned. They taught students how to do the hymlic on babies in that class as well. they already had the teacher who used to teach it and all the suplies for it but just needed people to convince the ones in charge of what classes the school gets to have to bring it back. the teacher loved teaching it as well so when a bunch of students got together and made it something that they could teach again it was great. one of my classmates got to have that class and they eventaully used what they learned in the class to help out with their baby cousin. i love that the song reached some people like a few of my classmates who thought the parenting class was important enough to bring back. Some at my school did think it was about not staying in school and dropping out but not everyone did.

[@ImTand]

This is why we need Innternet Anarchist! I had no idea any of this was even happening until now. Thank you!

[@specktyplays4467]

tand

[@I-think-I-can-Shoot]

Yh I recently found out abt this reading comments on dont stay in school bc i rlly liked that song, and ive just been waiting for someone too ac explain it.

[@zaneaustin22]

Bot

[@ImTand]

@@zaneaustin22 lmao I'm not a bot wtf

[@zaneaustin22]

@@ImTand ha

[@Sassafrass95]

Considering the fact that people trashing him online were ALSO the same people to remove their posts makes me doubt he's actually a horrible person.... UNTIL there is SOLID proof he's innocent until proven guilty and it's no wonder he's no longer online if people slander him when he's not around to defend himself

[@joostvhts]

Been missing him ever since :(

[@proi07]

A lot of people seem to forget that Dave briefly appeared in PewDiePie's Cocomelon disstrack music video (he probably produced it as well) the video is not on YT anymore, but that was his last public KZbin appearance.

[@TBVGAMING34]

Missing hjm

[@4shadow894]

Dude is one of those people who will be missed for their appearances of other notable youtubers.

[@anark96]

Veela was actually how I even learned about Dave. Sucks where this all went down too. It’s terrible to see how people ran along with a Reddit post that could have been posted by anyone; if these allegations were true, why not bring it to justice? Why hide? Why be anonymous? Go to the police. If the original Reddit user who posted the evidence was so concerned about Dave and his actions, wanting to stop it from happening to other young women, why was it not brought straight to the authorities attention? Smells suspicious to me.

[@anark96]

@acorn9134 because the internet tends to side with women. Would a man easily win this? True, if Dave truly didn’t do it, he should have spoken out - but if you’re already in a dark place, being pushed into a darker place, would you have the heart and energy to do it? No one knows how they’ll react until they’re in that position. This happened to one of my friends who was a big cosplayer - and even with proof that he hadn’t done anything he was drove off the internet.

[@anark96]

@acorn9134 you’re okay saying that because you aren’t in that predicament. And that’s alright. I hope you never are. And I mean, if you didn’t give a fuck, you wouldn’t be posting a reply here. But, I hope you’re okay nonetheless.

[@anark96]

@acorn9134 you’re allowed to say that because you aren’t in that predicament. And I hope you never are. No one knows what they’ll do, say, feel, or act when they’re put into a situation like this. Especially when you’re already mentally unstable, or tittering around a pretty dark place. And clearly you do care, or you wouldn’t have posted a response to this video. But nonetheless, I hope you’re okay.

[@josh1234567892]

@acorn9134 This is 1-dimensional thinking. It's really easy to say "oh, he should've done blah blah blah" when it's not you that's in the bullshit predicament. Everyone responds to negative publicity differently, especially people who are depressed. You are a nobody and have no idea what it's like to be in the spotlight of millions of people. And sure, you can argue the same about me, but I at least have enough insight to know that I would absolutely hate all the stupid attention. Especially considering the fact that there are many people like you who can "smell predators" because of how they did or didn't respond to a BASELESS allegation on the internet. An allegation that was later deleted for no known reason.

[@hungryhippo17]

@acorn9134 Im not saying im on his side, but incase you haven't been on the internet recently, the public doesn't respond well when an influencer comes out to defend themselves, like, at all. Hence why some stay quiet and wait for the controversy to fade...

[@DeadCellSamurai]

Considering the post has apparently been removed, i dont put much stock into it

[@crazycatlady2744]

I don't believe these allegations at all. Supposedly dozens of victims and not even one screenshot of a conversation between any of them and Dave? No, I think the whole thing was made up wholesale by one person with the intent to destroy this guy. On that note, we've got to stop with the idea that people like this are just doing it for attention; you don't make up allegations this serious against a person unless your motivations are outright vindictive.

[@dai6419]

its cause he was never taught what laws there are

[@gablison]

I'm guessing it's was Shonalika, she made a whole diss track on him from when they were dating.

[@rahmatmohsin3459]

​@@dai6419what a civilized comment

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

@@gablison oh yeah, isnt she the one that caused his depression that hes been struggling with ever since

[@Killa1949]

Wow an anonymous post with "evidence" to multiple wrong doings but all of the "evidence" is cropped text messages without names visible? Totally haven't seen someone do that before, they must really brave as it must've been really hard for them to come out like that.

[@DanteJDM]

JC, we can't even say an illness' name without being demonetized. Screw KZbin

[@Maeshalanadae]

Having YT as a career is also a problem. If I would ever do YT, I’d keep it as a hobbyist channel the way the site was originally intended. I think you’d be able to get away with more if you weren’t concerned about the shekels rolling into your piggy bank.

[@Veldazandtea]

Honestly, I'm thinknig of quitting youtube. I want honesty. Not censership.

[@CLTurtle]

The apology video BiaB made in response to Ricegum’s diss track was a joke, and wasn’t to Ricegum or his audience. The apology was meant for a person he “joked” about in the diss track, and is actually a parody of Ricegum’s apology to the person he said, “Did it feel good though?” to

[@_Dawson_]

Yeah, I guess Internet Anarchist just skimmed through that video 😅

[@GaryKetchum808]

He was apologizing to Casey Neistat lmao. For roasting his tattoos.

[@RenAsterion]

I have remained subscribed to both Dave's youtube channel and his spotify in case he ever returns. I doubt he will at this point. With how bad his mental health was/is, compounded with all these allegations, I don't think I'd be willing or able to return to a space that was a large source of mental health issues, either. I think his silence on the matter is telling, but in a way that a lot of people might disagree with me on. I believe in "innocent until proven guilty." There is no verifiable evidence at this point. The "telling-ness" of his silence, to me, is that he has completely and permanently put that part of his life behind him. The internet is too much stress on his mental health, even before those allegations. He'd left long before them. He does not, and should not need to come back to the internet and fight to defend himself from allegations to the internet at large when he's done what's best for his mental health. If these allegations impacted his life offline, the only place he needed to defend himself is, indeed, offline. Which he's probably done at this point. Honestly, the allegations coming out long after he left the internet feels more like bitter fans trying to force his hand to return. Only it hasn't worked out the way these anons have hoped. Their one thread of "real evidence", R, didn't even want to get involved in the first place and asked to have her name removed from the doc. She was involved against her will. If something actually happened there, she also wanted it put behind her and not dragged out in the open for the masses. It wasn't right for the anons to drag her into what I believe is petty, bitter fans being mad that their former favourite content creator has chosen to prioritize his own mental health over the enjoyment of parasocial fans. It also isn't right for so many people to name drop her when covering this when she didn't want her name involved in the first place. I wish people would stop.

[@EvelinaNinudottir]

While I will have to say I haven't looked a whole lot into the accusations, it still concerns me that - when I did actually search for information on it - the only thing that showed up was posts, comments and tweets from people who have no connection to David or the potential victims whatsoever. I couldn't even find the original post made by the person(s) claimed to have experienced these things. Shouldn't there be a police report somewhere? A news report? Or, at the very least, shouldn't the accusations themselves be easier to find, as opposed to hundreds of third-parties who are merely relaying what they have heard from someone else? I don't know if David is guilty of any of this, but it scares the shit out of me that the "entire" internet knows about all the crap he has supposedly done despite the fact that finding some reliable sources on the matter is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

[@Xavierm0875]

She deleted it (the alleged victim, that is)

[@AllThingsEntertaining]

That's because they no longer exist on the internet, with the exception of potential screenshots floating around. I think the reason for the post's deletion is quite clear. They got what they wanted and therefore, didn't need to post any proof. The community on Twitter was, and still is to a degree, if you're being accused of a serious crime and you're silent about it, you're guilty. No need to venture deeper into the allegations, the people who posted them, or who the allegations were targeting. His absence is all they really wanted. It's very similar, at least theoretically, to Tobuscus's situation. Someone made a false allegation, he remained silent, and it destroyed his career. He uploads now to varying degrees of success, but he's never going to retain the same level of viewership he once enjoyed. The difference is, no one, to my knowledge so I could be wrong, defended Dave, while some people did involve themselves in Toby's accusations.

[@tomikun8057]

​@@AllThingsEntertainingThere's an archive of it somewhere on someones computer, trust me. The internet never forgets. Also IA exists and stuff like uneddit.

[@4shadow894]

She deleted it after it went viral and went into hiding for personal reasons. Some says she wanted to hide because of Dave's fans sending her death threats but Dave has no fans, just supporters from other youtubers who are their fans. It was also proof for their slander on the internet considering if it blows up, they can just use the words I DELETED THE POST AND APOLOGIZES TO THE VICTIM as their ploy if they ever went to court, and just get a misdemeanor charge which is not crucial. It is always cooked like this in Reddit and Twitter. Nothing new.

[@4evalost948]

Stuff like this is so fascinating to me because if he is innocent of all the crazy accusations his reputation is completely destroyed there needs to be a law made that if it is found out that is all lies then the accuses goes to prison or pays fines to the person that you try to destroy. There was a guy recently killed him self over false accusations need to stop and the perpetrator jailed.

[@sothewalrus]

A lot of people have ended their lives over false accusations unfortunately, or attempted to. False allegations ruin the lives of innocent people, but also cast doubt on actual victims of abuse who already have to deal with the aftermath of said abuse along with being accused of lying for attention or vindictive purposes.

[@haiden2945]

@@sothewalrus exactly my thoughts.

[@steviemaster]

What you're referring to is basically Defamation but on crack Defamation being the act of damaging reputation based on false allegations and no evidence. Destroying a reputation from it... i'd call it Defamation²

[@0Meganewguy]

But he was never taught what laws there are in the country he lives in anyway, sooo???

[@limestonereaper2590]

@@0Meganewguyyour point?

[@Grigorii-j7z]

Until any of accusers filed a police complain all this is just a baseless slander. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[@daisydroid]

But he did. This was taken to court, the UK court doesn't allow things to be spoken on. This is why he left in the first place

[@Grigorii-j7z]

@@daisydroid you have any proof?

[@markedrecoil4804]

@@Grigorii-j7zobviously not since he didn’t respond

[@ShortsMaGeeTV]

Lowkey bro you make my days better 😎 Congrats on the almost 350K!

[@InternetAnarchist]

Glad to hear it

[@kaplingnag7267]

omg i know u!

[@skeety7883]

Sucks when an innocent person gets accused of something that literally has zero proof supporting it and so much supporting it being false, and just about everyone buys it without even thinking.

[@sovietbiscuit9918]

Why do I always have to go down rabbit holes of depressing stuff about KZbinrs I knew and loved just randomly disappearing and or being complete scum?

[@clay333]

I’m not sure if you were making a joke, but Dave never posted a real apology to the ricegum video. That apology video was a fake out in which he met up with Casey Neistat to apologize for the line “when I found out Casey Neistat didn’t have nice tats.”

[@OzrenkoSudar]

You are really underrated, deserve more subs

[@InternetAnarchist]

Thanks!

[@gokuxsephiroth4505]

Wow. I saw these allegations passing over the internet, and I assumed there'd be a much stronger basis to them than this...

[@DankPogchamp]

It's a dark world we live in where these attention seekers can ruin a man's career over nothing.

[@phir9255]

It's the public who is ruining his career, the accusers simply gave a reason.

[@BustyCatbot]

@@phir9255 The accusers gave the public the ammunition to destroy his career, and we still don't know whether they were actual bullets, or blanks, and we may never know, but people are shooting regardless.

[@legenddarkrai]

This sounds almost identical to what happened to Tobuscus back in the day. Of course, Toby's battle was a lot more explosive and volatile with there being a court case and everything, as well as his ex actually admitting that it was all fake allegations, but it ruined Toby's career and mental health, and he never recovered, fell down some really bad spirals as a result. I hope Dave's doing alright.

[@icanbreathe9161]

Tobuscus is an actual bad person and a serial cheater lol

[@Arcessitor]

@@icanbreathe9161 Irrelevant.

[@Weird_but_neat]

I still love Toby 😢

[@Weird_but_neat]

@@icanbreathe9161doesn’t mean he’s a predator

[@kodosquea1994]

@@icanbreathe9161 Irrelevant

[@sa1ko152]

Boyinabands Apology to Ricegum was satirical. It was actually an apology to Casey Nicetat because one of Daves Lines was "I was more dissapointed, that when I found out Casey Nicetat didnt have Nice Tats". He didnt apologize to Ricegum, nor did he need to

[@Andrew-p7i2d]

He should’ve apologized that was a fucking horrendous bar two shitty “artist” dissing each other

[@_Dawson_]

10:56 Wait... it's been a while since I watched Boyinaband's Ricegum diss track apology video, but I'm pretty sure it was a fake out. He didn't actually apologize to Ricegum in it at all, it was just a joke.

[@The_Justplain]

“Hi, I’m the Internet Anarchist-” That line never gets old

[@InternetAnarchist]

hahaha ❤

[@willybe6427]

@@InternetAnarchist .......? fucking what?

[@HippieInHeart]

Ive seen quite a few bad trends pop up and disappear. The trend of randomly accusing people of being abusive and predatory has certainly been one of the worst. Definitely hope that one's gonna end soon.

[@Axe_critterman]

This man gives me double of the knowledge school gives me. 😭

[@afafila]

because school obviously is designed to teach you internet drama

[@plaqueboi]

@@afafilaikr dhis comment so. Dumb

[@stephenpmurphy591]

​@@plaqueboiNah, a lot of our teenage heroes are actually creeps or jackasses. Those shark like eyes always bothered me.

[@kamiii_osu]

IA never fails to give content you could sit back and fall asleep listening too

[@Fmanzo10]

There’s really no point in Dave trying to disprove the allegations as it would be impossible. You can’t disprove a negative. Especially if you have no idea where or who it’s coming from. The only way it will be put to rest is if the accuser came out and said it is false. That’s not likely to happen.

[@PythonicIe]

I actually never watched boyinaband when he wasn't singing, so he always came off as edgy to me especially when theodd1'sout sound came out, he was so moody in that video I thought that was his personality irl, this is me discovering he was actually a likeable funny guy. The emo-like hair didnt help either. Its actually sad that this is happening.

[@averageenjoyer8190]

It's so upsetting. The whole internet seemingly just ganged up on a mentally ill dude a year after he left the internet, completely cutting off any chance of a comeback. Ruining his legacy, all over the most easy to fake type of "evidence" propelled by a compelling narrative that he's a serial groomer. If he ever returns, which I hope he does, then we seriously owe him an apology. I think I heard that the original Reddit post accusing Dave of those things was deleted by the person who posted it, rather than them actually presenting real evidence for the allegations against Dave. Although that's just something I heard.

[@nolifealan9746]

It was deleted

[@terronjohnson9173]

I hate to sound like a "everything is too censored" guy but if people cant even say words like anorexia and medication on YT how can people have actual conversations about the issues.

[@scarymeunster9095]

You can’t, that’s the fun part. KZbin advertising department doesn’t like when people use big words.

[@WutherRail]

Dude if the same person that posted the allegations 1. Used to know the accused and had a grudge against him and 2. Had a lot of contradictions on their statement and 3. Ended up deleting their post without ever giving the proof they promised.... I think we all know

[@SenterSen]

There was a similar case with a KZbinr called Samgladiator who I used to watch A LOT back in the day. He basically got burned out from making videos at one point and started uploading less and less until disappearing for a few good months. During those months out of nowhere came an accusation of similar stuff from a random girl after she firstly accused him of siding with children dying in the ukrainian war or something during a discussion they had on his discord server. Everyone all of a sudden started shitting on him as per usual until another person made a whole video basically bashing the accusations made against him and proving him innocent and thus embarrassing the accusor for trying to ruin his life just for getting upset fir the simplest thing. I'm definitely not telling the full story here and some things could even be inaccurate so if anyone's curious they can look it up. I just wanted to point out a "Guilty until innocent" situation that may very well be similar to Dave

[@SwiftyStardust]

Technically speaking, I think the last time he was seen on the internet was in 2020 when he voiced Harry Potter in an episode of Epic Rap Battles of History, but given that one was animated with stop-motion, it was probably recorded well before it finally came out.

[@Alchera201]

I've been waiting for some clarity on whether or not the allegations are true and I'm still not getting it anywhere. There are only three possibilities: 1. he's guilty; 2. he's innocent but is in no state to figure out how to dispute the allegations at the moment; 3. he's innocent and is going the legal route about this, so he's not sharing any info with outsiders.

[@michaelhorn175]

As someone who suffers from depression and suicidal thoughts I feel bad for him I know from experience that depression destroys your mental health and makes you act in unpredictable ways at least in my case I went from a happy person to a cold and violent person

[@blackgold754]

Damn, that’s bars. I feel the same way too. Not depressed but I do feel cold.

[@itishnegi8846]

Honestly i really hate how overplayed the title and the start of this video were. Just a few weeks ago you called out SunnyV2 on doing something similar and now ur doing the exact same thing. The Downfall wasnt massive, the allegations werent proven and were questionable themselves, but you only clarify these things in the last 2 mins. This manner of story telling is purely for your own benefit and doesnt help either the people involved or the people watching.

[@Africa893]

idk what you expected lol, there's no such thing as a good drama channel. The incentives point strongly in the same direction every time

[@TemasHistorias]

The Ricegum appology was a joke. He really apologized to Casey Nicetat for saying he doesn't have nice tats

[@shanielson]

"Your honor, my client simply does not vibe with the law"

[@stephenpmurphy591]

He didn't learn what laws were while in school....So he should receive a pass.

[@NichDevRumble]

​@@stephenpmurphy591Guilty untill proven innocent.

[@Veldazandtea]

Me: I didn't consent to the law. Judge: Understandable. Have a nice day.

[@4shadow894]

Accuser: I DELETED THE POST BECAUSE I DID NOT RECEIVE THE CLOUT I WAS EXPECTING TO GET

[@PDiddysBabyOil]

He was never taught what laws there are🤷‍♀️

[@chrisrose323]

There are stories where someone is PROVEN to be falsely accused and yet people keep attacking them as if they were guilty. There is no win in cases like this and just leaving it all behind is just the most sane thing to do.

[@TIOLIOfficial]

So, they're anonymous allegations that never got proven...

[@themajasticcreature]

All unproven allegations just to ruin a good creators life. Moral of the story, never try to succeed in life or others will make sure you fail

[@keaganscott9808]

One thing: I didn’t know that the song he did with Idubbbbz was deleted so that’s newer news, but the apology Dave did was a joke with Casey Neistat, not an actual apology. Thought people should know.

[@connorwilson1431]

It was deleted when iDubbbz deleted all his Content Cops because he was shocked that edgy and offensive videos somehow cultivated an edgy and offensive audience

[@Cosmstack]

These videos seem to pop up everywhere and are so dumb. It's still nothing more than dubious allegations, yet people keep making videos about this topic as if this ruined his career, which will only further solidify those allegations as truth in the community's eyes, even if it's not. The guy hadn't been online way before the accusations, which already caused a decline anyway. He certainly wouldn't want to come back now, after multiple creators regurgitate the same dated and shady information, over and over again. At this point, it almost seems like some sort of smear campaign. Stop spreading shit you don't know anything about as if it's truth. Only a small addendum that this might all be false in a 15 minute long video is not enough.

[@YourSmartOlderSister]

Great recap! I only heard about BIAB during the fallout and I appreciate that this is an objective summary rather than part of the pile-on. Since their stated goal was to stop the guy, I'd understand if they posted the allegations during his channel's growth or when he was active--but posting it a year after he already went offline and quiet is incredibly suspect.

[@averysspookshowspectacular6205]

It seems kinda weird to go and post accusations about someone who isn’t even active on social media anymore. "What about other girls in the future", WHAT future? This is very much an offline issue now because he's an offline individual right now. I'm usually on the side of believing victims (while giving the accused the benefit of the doubt), but since there isn’t really a "victim" who has been identified, this seems like a really sad reach for attention using someone who isn't likely to show up and defend himself. Get all the victim points without actually facing the person you're accusing.

[@1GTX1]

Innocent until proven guilty for sure, but i wouldn't be confident if i had to bet on it, mostly because of the ''Take me without my consent'' lyrics. What kind of person would first write those lyrics, than have an underage girl sing that on camera, and post it on youtube.

[@yennefer440]

He's still a nouce for dating a minor

[@poppythedogofwonders]

@@yennefer440 Isn't that just another allegation though?

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@yennefer440 What minor? Was it even ever identified? Did we even know who posted that allegations? Is there even any names? This whole allegation literally rests on "trust me bro" mate

[@sleepygeekyandreadytodream...y]

Honestly the fact that he wasnt online anymore is what makes me wanna believe the allegations. I thought 'well clearly they cant just be doing this for attention cuz he aint even here no more'. But now I'm thinking, 'maybe it is for attention and since he's offline its easier to get away with it?' I dunno, I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt, but I dont wanna support him if he's doing things like that. But also I think the allegations got deleted so I'm just like 😕

[@HelenaHades]

Honestly, I'm not going to take this at face value and immediately assume the worst. If this is really true then there needs to be a more thorough look to make the evidence undeniable. The Internet is full of malicious and jealous people so i wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be false.

[@neonswitchblade]

You know what I love about channels like these? That I get to learn about "KZbin Legends" that I've literally never heard about, until now. And I've been coming to this platform since it's Inception.

[@I_love_learning.]

Just a reddit post without even follow ups and deleting that afterwards doesn't make me believe that

[@master0fthearts894]

The thing that ticks me off is that people have been memeing the hell of Dave being the bad guy before these reports were even confirmed. So much of KZbin controversy is a they did/they didn’t argue fest, and it’s almost always stupid because issues like these should have been handled in real life, in an actual court, and not spread over the internet where a bunch of people can make assumptions off of evidence that isn’t supported. They say, “We didn’t want to have to do this” to try and draw sympathy, but what evidence is there that they actually had that conflict? We don’t know these people, their evidence, nor the other side of the story and yet millions of people are taking a stance. Honestly, this is just reminding me about what I hate about KZbin: *Unsupported allegations, controversy without a purpose, and bringing people’s private lives and reputations to the hands of people who aren’t trained in law nor looking at evidence fairly on how to handle this.* So thank you for giving a non-biased analysis that doesn’t make assumptions, and unless Boyinaband ever returns to address this, stop sending me memes on controversy that is unfounded and unresolved.

[@ymx7947]

This is not only an issue on youtube. This happens IRL too. It is what it is. Men are second class citizens.

[@jedisalsohere]

@@ymx7947 lol, lmao even

[@Veldazandtea]

They wanted too. Or they wouldn't have. They lied.

[@juryfilanti]

basically we have a guy with major depression issues, so depressed that he was "killing" his carreer when was in his pick, someone posted an highly faked post on reddit (the post and account when inactive after a short time) and the internet started to point fingers on him without any proof or evidence... and what's happend? He disappeard, what a surprise from an already depressed person

[@cjer6040]

plot twist, Dave's self-loathing hit a critical mass and he wants his own reputation ruined, therefore making that post of dubious reliability on himself

[@madiz4228]

You’re right. He could be suffering from major self-sabotage in this case.

[@ShwappaJ]

What's really messed up is that this could actually be a possibility. Depression is not just some edgy meme, it's an actual problem people suffer from.

[@Veldazandtea]

@@ShwappaJ And very common.

[@rosebrigade]

Ever notice how when a creator gets popular they tend to disappear because accusations of abuse, rape, and pedophilia? Such a stupid pattern, so many good KZbinrs struggle because of celebrity hatred and allegations.

[@Arandoman616]

He’s been gone for years.

[@rosebrigade]

@@Arandoman616 Yea I know, but it doesn't change what I said. It sucks because he's such a likeable guy, and it just reminds me of other tubers that had this issue like Tobuscus.

[@blaspemy5398]

Until there is solid proof, like in the case of Lionmaker, the creator is innocent. Well, at least that’s how it should be in a civilized society. It is quite curious how all it takes to ruin a KZbinr’s career is a mere accusation.

[@rosebrigade]

@@blaspemy5398 Honestly it's all it takes to ruin anyone's life anymore. Accusations always get taken seriously now, and you're considered guilty until proven innocent these days. It's sad.. and stupid.

[@OneLittledarkage]

So they accused him after he left. The last post he ever made was to ask if he should take all his medicine at once. This is mind boggling

[@baby333]

I was surprised to see the video end there.. so its just random reddit chat screenshots of 2 random people that could potentially ruin someone's life who's been mentally unstable for almost a decade?! o.o -- Those same exact screenshots could've been said for " Pewdiepie" " Penguinz0" or LITERALLY anyone really. If the allegations are fake then they ruined this person even more :( - If it's real, then contacting authorities is much better than making a random anon post on a Subreddit.. if you really want to prevent "future victims".

[@kory_misun]

'Limelight,' a collaboration between Boyinaband and Cryaotic, used to be my favorite song. I can't play it anymore, because I can only think 'These two are predators that ran away from all consequences and are truly ill.'

[@muzlee7479]

wtf you talking about lol

[@muzlee7479]

@kory_misun source? Idk about cryaotic but all the "evidence" you got for David is a random reddit post that was shortly after deleted. As you said "allegedly" proven. So not proven. You got things backwards, it's not guilty until proven innocent but innocent until proven guilty.

[@zartexkrontaculys1097]

Imagine one single post on REDDIT of all places tarnishing who you are online

[@bunz794]

ive never understood cropped out screenshots. theres no reason to not show who's involved. theres no reason to crop the screenshots if it's genuine evidence, especially when everyone knows who it's about. cropped screenshots scream "fake screenshots!" to me

[@komachi.turnip]

I would understand talking about these allegations (even though kinda late considering they talked about it years after he left) however, the person who made the post and Dave's exes knew him personally so I think it should be handled personally rather than asking a bunch of strangers online??? Like what are we gonna do about someone we can't even interact with because he disappeared? Should we cancel him? I'm not saying its wrong to speak up and maybe they finally had the chance to do it because he left the internet. But it seems suspect...and as another comment pointed out this should be handled in court, not on Reddit.

[@greenred1174]

It’s horrible how people believe every allegation of this nature right away without any concrete evidence. The women/men who make these false allegations are criminals and should be prosecuted. They chose to kick somebody when they were already down and that’s disgraceful. If anything, these people are setting women back further because people who actually experience sexual assault/harassment are less likely to be believed because of opportunists taking advantage of womens rights. People don’t understand the extent of harm/hurt this can do to a person mentally/socially/in their community and family. If Boyinaband was already suffering mentally, imagine a addition of countless people in his community targeting him and degrading him because of allegations made without any evidence. The definition of kicking someone when they’re already down. If the allegations are true, then I hope the victims receive appropriate compensation and both the victims and boyinaband receive the help they need. The public has no business prosecuting someone without evidence or involvement.

[@hisaceinthehole3426]

I remember when this blew up, everyone was saying he was a ray pissed. But i mever looked into it cuz i never cared about the guy. Thats crazy to come to find out he got crucified over an unsubstantiated reddit post, of all things.

[@JackNormalMemes]

Some of those allegation messages were pretty ridiculous, "the cashier stared at him like arent you gunna feed her? I WAS SO EMBARRASSSSED" like what